The Riddle of Heyerdahl: the mysterious fair-haired people of the Maldives

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The Riddle of Heyerdahl: the mysterious fair-haired people of the MaldivesThe most ancient inhabitants of the Maldives were called Redins, when they lived - it is not known. Thor Heyerdahl spent many years solving the question of who were tall people with blue eyes and brown hair - the oldest people on the islands of the Maldives archipelago. He did not find the answer, and how to find it? How to check? Some assumptions Heyerdal expressed, and was not far from the truth, as will be shown below, although I missed some with geography. But to judge him for it can not be.

So what mentioned Heyerdahl, what conclusions did he come to? In general, his findings and other researchers point to the lifetimes of alleged redins from 2500 years ago. According to Heyerdal, the Maldives were settled - according to local official data - 1100 years ago. There is evidence that the Maldives archipelago was inhabited more than two thousand years ago by the Dravidians, who came from territories corresponding to modern Sri Lanka and southern India. Heyerdal enumerates variants of the origin of the ancient Redins - Buddhists from Sri Lanka and Hindus from northwestern India, about 2500 years ago. He believes that if someone lived in the Maldives before them, they were expelled or assimilated.



Now let's see what the DNA genealogy will tell us. This new science is remarkable in that it sharply narrows the range of hypotheses under discussion. It introduces quantitative parameters as basic for discussions, and it is already difficult to argue with them. It relies on the DNA of people living in the Maldives in this case, on their haplogroups and haplotypes, on the number of mutations in the haplotypes, and on calculations of the times when the distant ancestors of these people lived. Let me remind you that the haplogroup is a concept equivalent to a specific kind of humanity, and there are hundreds of such DNA genera now identified on the planet. These are the main genus and their families, which can be called tribes. In other words, the Maldives mystery immediately turns into the plane of what kind of humanity the people living in the Maldives now belong to, when their distant ancestors lived, and how it fits with other revealed facts, such as the Aryan swastika on ancient Maldivian stones, ancient legends and myths , and evidence of historians, archaeologists, linguists.

Recently, data on DNA testing of the first 126 man of the Maldives archipelago has appeared. It is clear that first of all they tested local residents, allegedly originating from the ancient inhabitants of the islands. It turned out that out of these 126 people, thirty, that is, a quarter of all, have the haplogroup R1a. This is the largest share of the population. This is already the first success - the Aryans of India had the haplogroup R1a, as their descendants now have, occupying up to 72% in the highest castes of India.

The next step in solving the puzzle is building a haplotype tree using a professional program. The program has haplotypes in the "hereditary order", as mutations would flow from one haplotype to others during thousands of years. Indeed, a smart program distributed haplotypes across genera and their branches, as the genera independently determined by the researchers. The resulting tree shows the branches of the main genera constituting the population of the islands in this sample. The sample is small, but experience shows that as it increases, the basic patterns are preserved. Some progress will be, but the essence will remain the same.
By the appearance of the branches, you can immediately say, recent branches or ancient ones, and on the haplotype of the branches to calculate when the ancestors of these branches arrived in the Maldives.

Now consider the resulting haplogroup. In this case, there are only two haplotypes of haplogroup A, which means - arrived from Africa. Haplotypes are almost the same, which means recent visitors. Nothing to pay attention to them.
Now the branch of haplogroup K, all haplotypes are the same. So everyone is close relatives, a common ancestor lived quite recently, 100-200 years ago. The haplogroup itself is very old, and this particular branch is again the recent visitors to the islands.

Haplogroup J2 is represented by three branches. One of them is quite young: the common ancestor of all lived just 200 years ago. Another branch of J2 from 9 haplotypes, with a common ancestor 4825 ± 980 years ago, the third - 6600 ± 1200 years ago. These are clearly the Dravidian haplotypes of India, but their blue-eyed eyes are not marked. In addition, they originate from too ancient common ancestors, which means that their ancestors did not live in the Maldives, but were “brought” to the islands on the Y-chromosomes.

Haplogroups R2, H, L are the Dravidian haplotypes of India and Sri Lanka. They also can not be blonde and with blue eyes. The haplogroup R2 on 15 haplotypes accounts for the 61 mutation, and the common ancestor of 5650 ± 920 years ago. It is clear that he did not live in the Maldives.

We turn to the branch of the haplogroup L. It is relatively young, and represents several branches. The common ancestor of one sub-branch lived 1675 ± 400 years ago, the other about 775 years ago.

The haplotypes of the Dravidian group H are too few in number, even the lifetime of a common ancestor cannot be calculated. However, the branch of the haplogroup H1 is such that almost all the haplotypes are the same, the common ancestor is recent. These are not candidates for redins, either in anthropology or age in the Maldives.

It remains only the haplogroup R1a, besides, the most numerous in the sample. Let's look at it more closely.

On the Maldivian haplotype tree - two branches R1a. In the first branch there are ten haplotypes of 20 mutations, in the second - twenty haplotypes of 37 mutations, that is, the branches are almost the same in age (since the number of mutations on average per haplotype is almost the same). Indeed, the common ancestor of the first branch lived about 2500 years ago.

The common ancestor of the second branch is about 2300 years ago. So Heyerdahl was right. And when did the common ancestor of these two branches R1a live? The distance between the ancestral haplotypes of the branches is three mutations, and the common ancestor of both branches lived 4375 years ago. These are the times of the carriers of R1a on the Russian Plain, from where the arias diverged to the south, to Mesopotamia, and to the east and then to the south, to the Iranian plateau and to Hindustan.

In principle, they could reach the Maldives or from Arabia, through the Arabian Sea, or from India, from which it is much closer. So, most likely, Heyerdahl is right in speaking of settling from India and from Sri Lanka.

And now we will look at the ancestral haplotype of our ancestors, the ancestors of the ethnic Russian haplogroup R1a, on the Russian Plain. They all “came out” of this haplotype about 4900 years ago (apparently, on the Balkans, on the way to the Russian Plain), or 4600 years ago, already on the Russian Plain.

This is the ancestral haplotype and the R1a group with an index in the Z280 catalog, the so-called Central Eurasian subclade (formed 4900 years ago), and it is also the so-called ancestral haplotype of the Russian Plain (formed 4600 years ago). In principle, the haplotypes are inseparable. In any case, these are our ancestral haplotypes. Those in the Maldives are the same, only a little younger (with a common ancestor, I recall, about 4375 years ago), and only then they went to branches. So in the Maldives - our relatives, descendants of our pre-Slavic ancestors.
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  1. +7
    27 November 2016 15: 34
    Unfortunately, all the inhabitants of the Maldives, including our relatives, the first settlers of the Aria, are dying of anemia, a protective and adaptive reaction from malaria that is common on islands with a monsoon climate.

    In addition to land reclamation (liquidation of stagnant reservoirs with fresh water), the inhabitants of the Maldives need a significant renewal of the gene pool to "wash out" the carriers of anemia genes.

    Let's help our relatives survive in this strategic area of ​​the Indian Ocean laughing
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 16: 36
      It seems to me alone. What is in the photo: General Swan? belay
  2. +12
    27 November 2016 15: 42
    Well, well, and now what do we do next with this?
    Demand Maldives independence? Or their inclusion in the Russian plain?
    Unclear.
    In general, I get the impression that scientists have found such an interesting "magic wand" - haplotype, R1A, the number of mutations - and well, they have fun. All, in short, went and left the Central Russian Plain.
    Well let's go. Well, come out. And then what?
    But those who are now on the Russian Plain have gone even further. Some. And they are no longer from a thread, but directly from the White Stars. From which they flew on vimana. Yes, and broke here. And to fix it - there weren’t enough brains.
    That's really ..... "British scientists have made a discovery - there are other scientists in the world"! It's funny.
    1. +5
      27 November 2016 15: 55
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      "British scientists have made a discovery - there are other scientists in the world"

      British scientists have proved that the Earth is not round, but black and crunches on the teeth.

      I didn’t understand what this article does on VO. request Apparently there is some kind of hidden meaning what directly related to defense bully .
      1. +9
        27 November 2016 17: 08
        What you, my friend, without any imagination. Our guys came and conquered the cool islands - not everyone is given! And the most lazy were left to sit on the Russian plain. Now it’s envious of you, but you’re too lazy to go and evaluate, so you’ll swear at the computer. Happy Marine Corps!
        1. +2
          27 November 2016 17: 19
          Quote: Victor N
          What you, my friend, without any imagination.

          belay
          Our guys came and conquered cool islands
          tongue crying
          And the most lazy were left to sit on the Russian plain.
          feel
          Now it’s envious of you,
          crying
          so swear at the computer.
          am
          Happy Marine Corps!
          soldier drinks laughing
          1. +1
            28 November 2016 00: 59
            Vyacheslav! It turned out a gorgeous animated film
            1. +1
              28 November 2016 14: 25
              I did my best. feel
      2. +6
        27 November 2016 17: 57
        novobranets Today, 15:55 ↑
        I didn’t understand what this article does on VO. Apparently there is some kind of hidden meaning directly related to defense.

        While some natives of the plains were digging the Black Sea, others, in order not to work, went to look for resort places.
    2. +4
      27 November 2016 16: 07
      Well, sooo topical topic .... I "bastard" ..., without a "glass" you can't figure it out.
      1. +6
        27 November 2016 17: 11
        So after all, the holiday of the Marine Corps. And 2500 years ago, our marines were the coolest!
      2. +3
        27 November 2016 17: 26
        Quote: sub307
        you can't figure it out without a glass.

        When you figure it out, don't forget to share your thoughts. drinks In general, what is there to understand, solid Santa Barbara for 2500 years. Genes mixed up, who is there, with whom, and how many times, you can’t make out. request British scientists crossed the genes of a cat and a rabbit. The resulting animal also catches mice, but only for a different purpose. lol
    3. +2
      27 November 2016 16: 23
      add to the new Moscow as a supernova Moscow,
      1. +4
        27 November 2016 17: 35
        I agree to the post of head of the Maldives province. bully Well, for the marines. drinks
    4. +1
      27 November 2016 20: 51
      Yes, it’s not the author who lies, maybe consciously, after all, no one will climb to understand whether it is so or not)

      And when did the common ancestor of these two branches of R1a live? The distance between the ancestral haplotypes of the branches is three mutations, and the common ancestor of both branches lived 4375 years ago. This is the time of the R1a carriers on the Russian Plain, from where the Aryans dispersed south, to Mesopotamia, and east and then south, to the Iranian plateau and to Hindustan.

      Firstly, in Russia and among the Slavs, the R1a1 hoplogroup is widespread - R1a is already another haplogroup and its carriers are not necessarily Slavs

      Second
      Can a particular haplogroup indicate a specific nationality? In other words, does a Russian or German (without quotation marks) haplogroup exist?

      Answer: No. Why? Because any ethnos currently existing nation consists of people with at least two or three Y-chromosomal haplogroups. In other words, you can be Russian with a haplogroup and I1, and R1a1, and R1b, N3, I2, J2 and even E. The same applies to other peoples. for example, among Ashkenazi Jews - about 12% of carriers of the allegedly "marker" haplogroup for Russians, R1a1 - and it is emphasized that not among "half-breeds" and "goyim", but among the most real, typical representatives of their ethnic group. Etc.
      the descendants of the Praslyavians (the ancestors of the Slavs themselves) cannot be Russian by nationality, because there was no such nation then

      Thirdly, arias is a linguistic term, i.e. there was no language of such a people, you must agree that if an Englishman speaks Russian, he does not become Russian by nation, this is why many peoples participated in the formation of the Aryan language

      so as if it was not a shame to the author of this opus who are published most often on all "Slavic-Aryan" sites with Veles books, the theory that the whole world originated from the Slavs is not true))

      and to be honest, these attempts to reinterpret Hitler’s ideology in our Russian way are already abhorrent
      1. 0
        27 November 2016 22: 07
        Teach materiel:
        - R1a has no other haplogroup, except R1a1;
        - the descendants of the Aryans are Slavs, Indians, Tajiks and Pashtuns, the descendants of the Slavs are Russians, Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, etc .;
        - the language of the Aryans is called Sanskrit.

        Are you sure that your Russian spirit is Ivan, who does not remember kinship?
    5. 0
      28 November 2016 20: 18
      Man came out of Africa. There is a greater genetic difference between the peoples of Africa than between everyone else who is outside of Africa. But you need to pay attention to the following: the racism of Western Europeans and Chinese. They predominantly do not mix with other nations. They live in their own groups and squeeze out other nations, exterminating them, depriving them of competitive opportunities. Who cares about the haplogroup in the Maldives ?? Well, so far not Chinese that's all.
  3. +1
    27 November 2016 16: 01
    Quote: Operator

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    Operator Today, 15:34 New
    Unfortunately, all the inhabitants of the Maldives, including our relatives, the first settlers of the Aria, are dying of anemia, a protective and adaptive reaction from malaria that is common on islands with a monsoon climate.

    In addition to land reclamation (liquidation of stagnant reservoirs with fresh water), the inhabitants of the Maldives need a significant renewal of the gene pool to "wash out" the carriers of anemia genes.

    Let's help our relatives survive in this strategic area of ​​the Indian Ocean

    The Etruscans are Russians !!!
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 16: 25
      ek passed the fable
    2. +2
      27 November 2016 16: 49
      The Etruscans are immigrants from near Troy, the Semites assimilated by the Mitannian Aryans, therefore in their vocabulary there were Sanskrit / Slavic words like "moon", "back", "is" (in two meanings at once), which passed into the language of their neighbors in the Apennine to the peninsula - Latin.
  4. +4
    27 November 2016 16: 33
    The funny thing is the Tour about these newfangled halogen groups now and did not know, and did not know. Let’s do a DNA analysis of the people of Haiti? Sensation!!! All of them (residents of Haiti and the Dominican Republic) are rooted in Africa !!! The first settlers of the Caribbean - Africans !!! wassat
    And do not care that their ancestors were brought in "very much later." - analysis is the same. DNA same w laughing
  5. +1
    27 November 2016 16: 42
    Am I definitely on Military Review or is it a historical club?
    Moderators started throwing all sorts of crap here.
    1. +2
      27 November 2016 21: 10
      Article - preparing for a referendum in the Maldives? On joining the Russian Federation.
  6. +1
    27 November 2016 16: 43
    Although ... When the "et Russian" Fomenko and the "sun-reader" Chudinov - something equal to the campaign against "Ra" and "Kon-tiki" will do - I will believe, at least that they are not quite clowns.
  7. +3
    27 November 2016 16: 58
    And I am glad that a science has emerged that refutes ravings about the Mongols, about Ukrainians and other fables about the history of the Slavs. I can’t wait until serious excavations of ancient cities and pyramids in Siberia begin, and there are 120. If a giant lived in Patagonia under Columbus, the French saw them in Australia in 1832, there were also Armenia, then giants lived in Siberia and built amazing walls, like in Machu Picchu.
  8. +8
    27 November 2016 17: 14
    A herring was thrown into the river, where crucians lived! Crucian carp with a herring played and Iwashi turned out. drinks wassat bully
  9. +1
    27 November 2016 17: 41
    It is a pity that T. Heyerdahl did not reach this event.
    By the way, in Heyerdahl’s book there is a photograph on which stones with ancient symbols were depicted. And in the center was a swastika ...
  10. 0
    27 November 2016 18: 21
    Give "Our Maldives"! laughing I knew that the conclusion of the article would be like that ... =)
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 18: 40
      Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
      I knew that the conclusion of the article would be like this ...

      And what is there to know then. We need peace ... All is desirable. feel
  11. 0
    27 November 2016 18: 22
    But you know that when the Spaniards landed on the Canary Islands, they encountered the "Guanches" people there (if I am not mistaken in its name) Well, the people there were very interesting because they were all tall, fair-haired, white-skinned and with blue eyes. then, of course, the Spaniards (as was their custom) cut everyone out, but this nation has survived in history. They really didn’t speak Russian, she spoke in some kind of African dialect and .... they could still communicate with a whistle))) Until now, in some places, modern descendants can whistle so beautifully on one seemingly only island
  12. +1
    27 November 2016 18: 47
    In the photo, the author of the article, the professor himself, I don’t remember some mattress university Anatoly Klyosov, one of the largest genetic scientists. Based on a study of the genome of Europeans, he proved that the Slavs are the oldest European nation, the descendants of the Aryans. By the way, he also did not find traces of the Tatar-Mongol in the Russian genome. So much for the Tatar-Mongol yoke. There are no traces in the genome, archaeological traces are the same in general!
    1. 0
      27 November 2016 19: 10
      let's all the same without fanaticism. Many of us have traces of the Tatars, just as, for example, you can find traces of Arabs or Negroes. Who are the arias, too, no one really knows, except as soon as they are present in the fabrications of some characters, so you should not get carried away either. But the fact that the white race turns out to be older than everyone else - such garbage is possible, based on some findings, in particular on the territory of present-day Russia. But, unfortunately, there is no clear and reinforced concrete evidence, too much time has passed and all conclusions are drawn from sufficiently circumstantial evidence and sources that are not always credible. However, other versions of events also have a bunch of misunderstandings, inconsistencies and grabbing by the ears for the right audience of the necessary "facts"
      1. 0
        27 November 2016 19: 27
        Do not look at the city. The rural population of historical Russia (such as Smolensk, Moscow, Kostroma, etc.) lives unchanged. Where did you see Tatar signs in the population? And is it after 300 years of yoke? Look at South America, there is a sea of ​​mestizos!
        1. 0
          27 November 2016 19: 44
          so you go outside and look at the people coming to meet you. I assure you that every third to fifth will be with specific facial features characteristic of the Finno - Ugric or Tatar peoples. I live in the Kirov region. Around it live the Finno-Ugric peoples then the Tatars. The population has really been mixed for a long time. And the fact that Kolesov does not drive garbage about the fact that there are no Tatar roots in Russians is really bullshit. In territories located in close proximity to the places of compact residence of the Tatars, the population has been mixed for about 1000 years, even if there was no Tatar yoke. As well as those who live next to the Finns, they are also mixed up for a long time and no geneology will determine who is in charge and who is out there. And so it is with other nations.
          1. 0
            27 November 2016 20: 20
            I live in Smolensk, and something did not notice a huge number of foreigners. If you come across Hindus and Negroes, this does not mean that they live here. (These are students of the medical academy) You do not take into account the factor in which our population of the country has been mixed up for 70 years of Soviet power. Then, in the USSR, they grew up one community, the Soviet people. And before the revolution, there were no such large changes in the population. According to the 1898 census, the population of the Russian Empire consisted of 70% Slavs, 20% Tatars, and 10% others. Moreover, the Slavs were divided into Poles and Russian.
          2. 0
            28 November 2016 15: 26
            Awaz

            There is no need to drive a snowstorm on the Russians, the number of carriers of the Mongolian haplogroup C is negligible in our country - about 1-2 percent, since the Russians have never accepted "nasty" (Muslims) into their midst.

            But among the Tatars, the opposite is true - the number of carriers of the Aryan haplogroup R1a1 reaches one third due to the descendants of the slaves hijacked during the Tatars' raids on Russia.

            The Aryan haplogroup R1a1 (50%) is dominant in the genotype of the Russian people, the second largest are the Illyrian haplogroups I1 and I2 (20%, natives of Europe), the third largest is the Ugro-Finnish N1c1 (15%). The same genotype are the indigenous people of Ukraine and Belarus.

            Russians make up over 80 percent of the population of the Russian Federation and over 90 percent of the population of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

            Tatars belong to one of the small national minorities of Russia and therefore are not able to influence the genotype of Russians - rather the opposite, since everyone prefers to marry Europeans rather than narrow-eyed and flat-faced Asians.
  13. +5
    28 November 2016 00: 32
    As I understand it, each hut has its own toys. Someone digs the Black Sea, someone searches for Aryans and, what is most interesting, finds. And it’s hard to refute. And those and those. Is there a Black Sea? There is. Is there a haplogroup and swastika in the Maldives? There is. Everything. They wiped away sweat and moved on. Dig, search ...
    1. +1
      28 November 2016 15: 27
      "Aryans" from the Russian Plain are Indo-Iranians, so whoever they find in the Maldives, this, according to their own research, has nothing to do with us, but it has something to do with Iran, India, Pakistan, especially Pakistan. to seem interesting, in addition to all the vague "Aryans" there are full of quite direct reasons for its closest relations with the Maldives, although Pakistan is unlikely to somehow force it, it has a mouthful of other concerns.
  14. +3
    28 November 2016 07: 36
    Thor Heyerdahl spent many years unraveling who were tall people with blue eyes

    Are you talking with blue eyes?
    From whom did they come from? Yes there is nothing to guess, from aliens lol And don't mind am
    Do you need evidence? You are welcome
    According to Pope’s theory, about 30-40 thousand years ago, alien aliens appeared on the planet who became the ancestors of ancient civilizations, including the Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayans and Aztecs. All these ancient peoples had a very high level of development. Ancient people entered into a relationship with the aliens and entered into mixed marriages, as a result of which children appeared. At one time, they also had children with a crossed gene code. Thus, today almost half of people have alien roots.

    a characteristic feature of alien descendants is the color of the eyes - steel, gray or blue.
    So I'm not from aliens request Eyes are brown.
    feature are hands. Ordinary earthlings have square hands with short fingers. Alien descendants have elongated hands and thin musical fingers.

    Damn, I looked at my hands - my fingers are long, thin, musical (but I don’t really have a musical ear) belay then I came from aliens good
    So try to figure it out wassat Without drinks in any way.
  15. 0
    28 November 2016 18: 08
    Quote: victorrat
    And I am glad that a science has emerged that refutes ravings about the Mongols, about Ukrainians and other fables about the history of the Slavs. I can’t wait until serious excavations of ancient cities and pyramids in Siberia begin, and there are 120. If a giant lived in Patagonia under Columbus, the French saw them in Australia in 1832, there were also Armenia, then giants lived in Siberia and built amazing walls, like in Machu Picchu.

    Yeah. Well, what's the matter? Become an "acamedik" of RANS (a public organization, the closest analogue is the "Beer Lovers Club") - everyone is hired there - voila. There is no need for any expeditions or excavations. Write about what you believe in))) Excavation ?! Why not. laughing You read in "Archeology News" about how scientists are excavating. And that's all. You don't need anything else, just turn on your personal imagination. Nothing complicated - do not care about the real result of the excavation, without leaving the armchair, you compose what your heart desires. Oh, and don't forget to state that the real results are hidden by the authorities, TI historians, or in extreme cases, the penguins of Madagascar. That's all, you have completed your mission.
    Something like that. laughing
  16. 0
    28 November 2016 18: 11
    Poor Finns, Hungarians, Tatars ... Already in the Maldives their fate threw ((( belay
    Well, or the stormy imagination of commentators? laughing
  17. 0
    28 November 2016 22: 03
    so that's it! I remember on our honeymoon in the Maldives we had a "personal" waiter, who said that his name was Misha. Apparently he came from r1a, only he was dark-skinned, well, in such a sun it would be a sin not to tan.
  18. 0
    29 November 2016 09: 41
    Here is more detailed and convincing:
    http://peshera.org/khrono/khrono-19_3.html
    It is interesting that all these white people are united by images of the Slavic Kolovrat and the Slavic goddess Makoshi!
    Well, the faces of the face are quite average Russian smile
    1. 0
      29 November 2016 12: 37
      A swastika is an Aryan tribal sign.

      It belongs on the male line (Y-chromosome) to all descendants of the Aryans - Slavs, Tajiks, Pashtuns, Indians of two higher castes, Arabian sheikhs and Jews of the Levi tribe.

      The muzzle of the face of the descendants of the Aryans depends on the female X chromosome.

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