Rosaviation: Ukraine intends to conduct rocket firing using the airspace of the Russian Federation

Website of the Federal Agency for Air Transport of the Russian Federation (Rosaviation) today spreads the message that Ukraine has decided to conduct missile firing in the airspace of the Russian Federation in the region of the Crimean Peninsula. The corresponding notice was issued in Ukraine the day before - 24 November.

Here is the text published by “Rosaviation” - about the intentions of Ukraine:

The first danger zone is set 1 and 2 December 2016 of the year from 09: 00 to 19: 00 Moscow time at all heights with the seizure of airspace over the open sea in the area of ​​responsibility of the Russian Federation (Simferopol district center).

The second danger zone is set 1 December 2016 of the year from 12: 30 to 14: 30 Moscow time and 2 December 2016 of the year from 11: 00 to 15: 00 Moscow time at all altitudes with airspace over the open sea in the area of ​​responsibility of the Russian Federation (Simferopol district center) ), as well as entering into the airspace above the territorial waters of the Russian Federation with maximum depth of 12 km.

Publication of NOTAM data (aviation notifications) was not coordinated with either the competent authorities of the Russian Federation, or with the Russian provider of air navigation services (FSUE State ATM Corporation). At the same time, flights of civil and state aircraft are carried out within these zones.

Rosaviatsia reports:

Such actions of the Ukrainian side, firstly, violate the requirements of the 11 Annex "Air Traffic Services" and the 15 Annex "Aeronautical Information Services" to the Convention on International Civil Aviation of 1944, regarding the establishment of prohibited zones within the state territory of the Russian Federation and areas of responsibility over the high seas, and, secondly, endanger the safety of international air navigation, pose a potential danger to civil aviation, which can lead to disasters similar to those that occurred on flights MH17 (Malaysian Airlines) 17 July 2014 of the year and S7 1812 (Sibir Airlines) 4 of October 2001 of the year.

Unilateral actions indicate that the Ukrainian side has no intention to constructively normalize air traffic over the Black Sea, and actually discredits the efforts of the Secretariat of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) and the ICAO Task Force on the Black Sea on this issue.

Rosaviatsia requires the Ukrainian side to immediately cancel the issued notifications, considers unacceptable attempts to establish prohibited zones in the sovereign airspace of the Russian Federation and insists on the absolute need for prior coordination with the competent Russian authorities and the air navigation service provider to establish prohibited zones in the airspace above the open sea in the zone responsibility of the Russian Federation.

The decision of the Ukrainian side looks like another provocation. It is worth recalling that when the Ukrainian side conducted missile firing in the airspace of Crimea during its Ukrainian jurisdiction, the Ukrainian military shot down a Russian passenger airliner. Kuchma then stated that this was a “mistake”, but “this happens,” and did not make any official apologies about the horrible incident.

Comments

[Altona]

It is probably still unclear to the Dutch investigation and the JIT group who shot down flight # MH17 in the Donbass. Ukraine already speaks openly.

[Evil543]

These after all can shoot. Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

[Temples]

This can only be regarded as a provocation. It is important that there is no damage on our part. But on the tinsel for these firing should be given. Specifically, according to the organizers. Ice ax way. And how to do this in modern conditions, let the Kremlin think or at the Lubyanka, in the competent authorities.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Temples

This can only be regarded as a provocation.

... this is not even a provocation, but just an imitation of IT!
What inna ukra-rockets, which sides - over OUR CRIMEA!

They only deigned to make a joke on the detsky - remembering that they once owned the Simfiropol zone of flights and navigation.
Phantom pains ... and farts due to indigestion ...

According to the good, the Russian Aerospace Forces should, based on the last belch of the kuev, in order to suppress the liberties of the sick mind, make a Decision "on a no-fly zone over the air / on the ruin" and on the forced suppression of flights of everything that can fly in the same place ...

"Kuevo warning" is a complete inadequate. And the inadequate is supposed to be isolated and forcibly treated!
Moreover, this affects the budgets of global airlines, forced to change and extend the route ...

[cniza]

It seems like a provocation, but the option of a junta initiative is also possible - they are also strategists.

[OlegV]

Well, what can I say?

[just exp]

play ahead of schedule, substitute a fake Tu-134 for them (from the decommissioned ones), and expose to the whole world how they had shot down a civilian side.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

And you on this "carcass" and a member of the crew, without a parachute.

[ksv1973]

Quote: Rus2012

Moreover, this affects the budgets of global airlines, forced to change and extend the route ...

Not a single plane of any world airline is in those places now. All air services (passenger, cargo, etc.) of Crimea are carried out only by "boards" of Russian airlines. The rest are afraid of falling under various kinds of sanctions.

[Rus2012]

Quote: ksv1973

Not a single plane of any world airline is in those places now. All air services (passenger, cargo, etc.) of Crimea are carried out only by "boards" of Russian airlines

... not really -

And there are also daily flights: Simferopol-Istanbul, which are operated by 11 airlines. Among them - 1 foreign.

[Reserve officer]

Obama finally decided to check the work of our air defense in the Crimea? Fucking out of the square for this purpose is best suited.

[Rom14]

What are you talking about (!) ? What, few shells flew through villages in the border zone? We are for the world! And what you can’t endure for the sake of a dream .... Donbass is an example of this.

[Asadullah]

What are you talking about (!) ? What, few shells flew through villages in the border zone?

Flew until there was an answer. Rus2012 correctly says that this is a way to force Russia to make any movement that can be interpreted as aggression. The Western media will scream and scream and the neocons will have something to put pressure on Trump.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

But what, does the fate and honor of Russia depend on Trump ??

[larand]

Quote: Temples

But on the tinsel for these firing should be given. Specifically, according to the organizers. Ice ax way. And how to do this in modern conditions, let the Kremlin think or at the Lubyanka, in the competent authorities.

The ice ax is certainly interesting, but it is better to use all the air defense and missile defense systems of the Russian Federation so that not one flies up or flies.

[weksha50]

Quote: Temples

This can only be regarded as a provocation. It is important that there is no damage on our part

Here clever provocation (which until now was not typical of Ukrainian politicians and the military) ... The Federal Air Transport Agency has already stated the following: “Russia will prohibit flying over Crimea, unless Ukraine cancels the decision to conduct rocket firing in the skies over the peninsula,” said the official representative of the Federal Air Transport Agency Sergey Izvolsky "...

In addition, there are planes of foreign companies flying there ... And what if the Ukrainians often just begin to designate such firing, do not fly over Crimea at all? Here is a kind of blockade and loss of image, as they say now ...

Here you need to look for some other way out ... Point ...
PS They still have not answered for the Tu-154 ... reckless and headless ...

[Wasiliy1985]

Well, yes, there’s a different way out - here they correctly noticed about the ice axes .. It seems to me that it is enough to hint about them through professional channels ..

[Zulu_S]

The Russian Ministry of Defense should, in turn, warn that all air defense systems of Ukraine, when trying to open fire in the "zone of responsibility of the Russian Federation" will be destroyed in any attempt to fire, i.e. preventively!

[kuz363]

And how do you know that they were going to shoot a rocket? You will not see from the satellite.

[moskowit]

The problem needs to be addressed comprehensively. From the ice ax to the destruction of installations.

[RUSIVAN]

And it’s better right to Kiev, to the owner of an ...

[Vita vko]

After the Ukrainian saboteurs (terrorists) in the Crimea and the abduction of Russian troops, one can no longer be surprised at some kind of shooting. According to outrage, the maximum note of protest and everything will die out until the next provocation of the Kiev regime.

[Giant thought]

A colossal provocation is planned, it is necessary to bring down the Ukrainian missile as soon as it enters our airspace, and with the next blow destroy the missile launcher that launched the missile. Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Thought Giant

Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

Lovely overseas neighbors, Well-fed, imposing, like gods, Do not wake the Russian bear. Let him sleep peacefully in his den. Do not interfere with reign and rule, Eat and drink while your heart beats. You cannot imagine what this will turn out to be for you! You have kicked him more than once, Humiliated him, sprinkled him with dust, Crucified him on a Russian birch, Burned him with fire and drowned him in a pool. And when the confidence in victory Brought you to a sweet shiver, The belly roar of a Russian bear Was suddenly heard in your hallway. Why don't you, brothers, sit at home? So pulls, arriving at the smell, Generous Russian land To take and take away from the clubfoot! How many years have your newspapers been overflowing with your crafty little thought, Like, "What right do we have to one-sixth of the planet !?" We came here by God's will, We have not smeared our honor with anything. And it is not for you to judge our share! We didn't steal our wealth. Our indestructible foundations are Sails, runners and horseshoes, Beringi, Khabarovs, Dezhnevs, Ermaks, Poyarkovs, Zaikovs. Ladies, gentlemen, seniors, ladies, Stepping beyond the line inadvertently, Do not tease the Russian bear: your pampering will come out sideways to you. You will deceive him a hundredfold, In the tavern, clean it to the bone, After all, you have any mercy - you have to pay, your gods - gold bars. Your credo is divide and conquer, your truth is the truth of the Force. You are accustomed to sitting over the flock, giving the disliked a grave. But the Russian sees a brother in everyone, Not accepting stinginess and deceit. For him, the most important thing is Truth, And the most precious thing is Justice. Therefore, from the bottom of any hell, Where no one else can survive, the Russian will suddenly rise from the ashes, From the bog and road slurry. The frenzy of a bloody battle will disappear, In a clean spring it will wash its eyes, It will read prayers before the icon, And it will come to your house one night. All smelling of gunpowder and blood, Leading around with a tired gaze, He will freeze over your headboard And look you in the eyes with reproach. And until you turned off the light, He asks, summing up the past: -Why did you come to me in Russia? Or do I owe you something? You will understand that the reckoning has come. But, as it turned out, there was nothing to pay. A Russian would probably forgive his brother. Only you are not his brother, but evil spirits. And the little soul, shrinking in flesh, Pulling under the frown of the guest, you will curse a thousandfold Silly idea of ​​"Drang nach Osten". Hungry for New Territories For baseball, rugby or golf, Read a couple of stories about Napoleon and Adolf. Moderate the ardor of ceremonial copper! You have to answer for nonsense! Don't wake up the Russian bear. Maybe then it will cost!

[Alex_Tug]

it is necessary to shoot down the Ukrainian rocket

It should be easier to destroy anti-aircraft installations in a combat position. The staffers in such cases will not bother and will be destroyed on the spot. We must take an example from a Big Friend.

[kuz363]

A little to test anti-missiles against Ukrainian missiles? This would be the best advertisement for sale.

[Alex_Tug]

I think that this should be done. It’s even better to hammer on launchers if there are civilian airborne aircraft in the air. No need to risk the lives of their citizens.

[Lelek]

Quote: Thought Giant

Giant thought

They stole a little thought, but okay. IMHO, Obama is unlikely to have "left behind" here, the purest water is an adventure of the Kiev junta - they are forced to respond. However, through a statement to the UN, it is necessary to warn that if this scenario is implemented, Russia will have a free hand in retaliatory actions (destruction of launchers on the territory of Ukraine).

[kapitan92]

Quote: Lelek

pure adventure gamble of the Kiev junta - forced to otvetku.

Well, maybe you need to include a similar response? At the same time, to announce the exercises in the Crimea and "close" the territory of the outskirts of a similar area?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Lelek

IMHO, Obama is unlikely to have "left behind" here, the purest water is an adventure of the Kiev junta - they are forced to respond.

Let me disagree with you. The junta is 100% dependent on the will of the "owner" and acts exclusively in his interests. A serious provocation is planned. I believe that ours will present a response ball to the initiators before the indicated time, seriously affecting their interest, after which they will retreat. If not, then you will probably have to shoot down the Ukropov boomerangs when crossing our airspace, as well as calculate the launcher with its subsequent elimination. The mattresses will closely watch how quickly ours react to launches and what means can be used to intercept. That is to say, reconnaissance by force (proxy). It is clear that after this they will raise a howl, but this action cannot be left unanswered.

[Zulu_S]

Together with the calculations, points of contact and command staff, up to the Commander-in-Chief incl.

[sergeybulkin]

it’s necessary to shoot down the Ukrainian rocket as soon as it enters our airspace, and to destroy the rocket launcher with the next blow,

No, it is necessary to bring down rockets as soon as they leave the territory of Ukraine, to shoot down everything, but it is impossible to destroy the launchers, this will be like declaring war - the Koklahs only achieve this. They are at war with Russia, but Russia did not come to their war, it is impossible to go on about these schizos.

[kapitan92]

Quote: sergeybulkin

you can’t follow these schizos.

Remember the ruble: - "What would I do if I became president."
Let me know your suggestions?

[sergeybulkin]

"What would I do if I became president."
Let me know your suggestions?

Well, I would not become president, no abilities, and no, and never had such a desire.
It would be necessary to bring down rockets, so we will show everyone our real capabilities, and we will do dirty tricks to Kiev. This can be explained by the fact that such launches threaten the security of international air traffic and so do we. Although I’m sure, our people will not do anything.

[kapitan92]

Quote: sergeybulkin

It would be necessary to bring down rockets, so we will show everyone our real capabilities, and we will do dirty tricks to Kiev. This can be explained by the fact that such launches threaten the security of international air traffic and so do we. Although I'm sure, our people will not do anything

Let's start with which missiles are you going to shoot down? The missiles "work" at air targets. In order to shoot it down, a target must appear in our airspace. The appearance of a target in our airspace is a violation of the border and must be destroyed by our air defense systems.

[sergeybulkin]

What missiles are you going to shoot down? The missiles "work" at air targets.

And to immediately shoot down targets and missiles as soon as they go beyond Ukraine’s border, it’s not known what the Koks are up to, because fragments of targets and missiles can fall on residential areas or even on ships at sea, in addition, a C300 missile with homing, anyway if it loses the target then goes to self-destruction, so it’s enough to shoot down only targets and Koklah just why not shoot.

[kapitan92]

Quote: sergeybulkin

And immediately shoot down targets and missiles as soon as they leave Ukraine’s border,

As I understand you, it is also necessary to shoot down over neutral waters.

Quote: sergeybulkin

so it’s enough to shoot down only targets and koklah just why not shoot.

Finally! I brought you to this thought.

[alexmach]

To begin with, what is airspace in general? 12 nautical miles from the coast? And 13 nautical miles from Sevastopol Ukrainian shooting someone needs?

[Akuzenka]

In my inexperienced and amateurish view, you need to put them on the loot, and not on a budget, but on a personal one. The rocket flew in to us - to the petunia account: how much is its detection, tracking, downing. And interest for every day. Moreover, clearly, file a lawsuit in all courts, which can be done as a private person. He is responsible for everything there. That will be fun!

[kuz363]

Stupidity. The UN did not recognize Crimea as Russian. Accordingly, international courts will consider it as the territory of Ukraine. And the corresponding conclusion.

[Alexanast]

but you can’t destroy the launchers, it will already be like a declaration of war

All this is so ...
And what will our partners say about this ... Jews ... AU?
Fool, where are you?

[Rostov 2016]

But does it matter who thinks what?
In the Kremlin, the position is the same as yours - "and who thinks about this?" - the defeatist position of the ever-second issue.

[Yuyuka]

A colossal provocation is planned, it is necessary to bring down the Ukrainian missile as soon as it enters our airspace, and with the next blow destroy the missile launcher that launched the missile. Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

most likely a "routine" operation with the participation of the CIA - to check and scan our capabilities, including political a CIA spokesman recently visited ... Then a statement about Poroshenko's "new rocket" ... And to see how far Russia could go? After all, Turkey has had a ride without a military response. And how can our MO and our Supreme answer? A very delicate situation ... I do not think that the best way to shoot down or strike ... Precisely because it is too predictable and very expected by our "p (artne) ramies"! I think the priority will be to prevent the launch itself by all means, or so that everything happens "legally" with permits ... if it does happen, there will be costs in any case, we will knock it down or silently - with another note from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, we will skip

[alexng]

I think it is necessary to disgrace the ruin, so that under the influence of electronic warfare these missiles would explode on departure from the launchers, and the targets would simply fall. I think that the Defense Ministry will test its combat capabilities based on other physical principles. And most importantly, the time has come and the motive to steal Nalyvaychenko and keep him locked up until the start of a popular trial in Ukraine, followed by his execution along with the rest of the Maidan scum so that this CIA agent does not escape. I won’t be surprised if he suddenly disappears. This is the main scumbag that balamutit all Ukraine. It's time to put an end to this business and make a gift for the New Year ...

[alexmach]

Quote: alexneg

I think that the Defense Ministry will test its combat capabilities based on other physical principles.

Uh-huh .. They wave their wand and whip out "Expelearmus!"

[alexng]

The 1L262 “Mercury-BM” complex (alternative designation SPR-2М) is a self-propelled electronic warfare system based on the MT-LBu tracked chassis. The main purpose of electronic equipment mounted on a tracked vehicle is to counter guided enemy weapons, as well as ammunition equipped with radio fuses.
The main task of 1Л262 machines is to protect the troops from enemy artillery fire using projectiles equipped with radio fuses. During operation, the equipment of the EW machine detects the enemy ammunition, determines the carrier frequency of its radio-fuse, and then puts the interference of the appropriate frequency and high power. As a result of such exposure, the enemy’s radio fuse will either explode the ammunition at a relatively safe height, or will be shut off and the projectile will be blown up using a contact fuse. In both cases, the threats to covered troops are seriously reduced.
This is just one option.
By the way, Ukraine has already dissociated itself from the desire to conduct rocket firing. Someone persistently dissuaded them.

[alexng]

What are the howitzers? Missiles are not shells and their fuses are stuffed with electronics. It turns out that the forum still left rubbish.

[kuz363]

Do you believe about these new physical principles? Ordinary divorce.

[alexmach]

If it succeeds to prevent diplomatic methods - this must be done, if it does not succeed and some kind of launch takes place - there is no way to counteract this.

[210ox]

I doubt that anything will fly there at all .. Although you can try to bring it down if you really get it .. Only I doubt the ability of our leadership to give a command to this .. Do not respond to provocations! This all reminds me of the events of mid-June 1941. we are right, we can only express indignation .. Something is toothless ..

Quote: Giant thought

A colossal provocation is planned, it is necessary to bring down the Ukrainian missile as soon as it enters our airspace, and with the next blow destroy the missile launcher that launched the missile. Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

[kapitan92]

Quote: 210ox

After all, we are right, we can only express indignation .. Somehow everything is toothless ..

Why all these conclusions, if nothing has happened yet.

[210ox]

I draw conclusions based on the reaction of the country's leadership. A Russian citizen who was not a military man (Rostov Region) was killed during the shelling from the adjacent side. The border guard and the FSB officer (Crimea) were killed, two servicemen of the Russian Air Force were kidnapped. What is the reaction to this? Oh yes, you have nothing occurred...

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: 210ox

After all, we are right, we can only express indignation .. Somehow everything is toothless ..

Why all these conclusions, if nothing has happened yet.

[kapitan92]

Quote: 210ox

The border guard and the FSB officer (Crimea) were killed,

Died, doing their duty! Let me remind you, when the sabotage group was detained, and recently two special forces were killed, neutralizing the bandit.

Quote: 210ox

abducted two servicemen of the Russian Air Force.

Border guards (FSB) have serious shortcomings at the Chongar station, starting with the equipment and service. And with these two gouging, you still need to deal with: where, why, who called, goals, etc. There is an open question!

Quote: 210ox

What is the reaction to this? Oh yes, nothing happened to you ...

Actually, we are discussing an article. Nobody has launched a rocket anywhere, don’t worry. If you want to know my opinion on all specific issues related to the outskirts, write to me in PM.

[alexmach]

A Russian citizen who was not a military man died during shelling from the adjacent side (Rostov Region)

Wow nothing happened. And do you think the Ukrainian army drove the peaceful Donbass miners into the boilers? Yes, after the very first shelling, they retaliated and drove them away from the border.

[alexmach]

What rocket? How can they even carry out firing there? And if you give them minimal resistance?

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Well, yes, but before "entering" Russian territory, the rocket will stand in line at the checkpoint, pass passport control ... Gentlemen, what are you all about? The flight speed of the "Alder" caezza, which is made in Ukraine on the basis of "Smerch", is up to 800 m / s, this is up to 48 km / min! In such cases, they loudly announce that their aerospace forces are on alert during firing, and if the provocateurs dare to shoot, defiantly and visually shoot down the target at the border line, preventing them from penetrating deep into the territory. Clearly and indicative, so that everyone else is not familiar! ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

The flight speed of the "Alder" caezza, which is made in Ukraine on the basis of "Smerch", is up to 800 m / s, this is up to 48 km / min

- I'm sorry ... does this mean that the Great Ukrainians managed based on tornado sculpt anti-aircraft missile?
- I do not believe (s)

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Sculpted ZR based on the Buk. And on the basis of Smerch some kind of Iskander! Yuzhmash somehow works. And what and how they can launch, this is already in the General Staff of the Armed Forces. By the way, Russian propaganda should not present UkroOPK as sheds for the production of pots. As if later did not have to cry.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

Sculpted ZR based on Buk ...

- um ... Duc Buk and so SAM, why sculpt something?

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

on the basis of Smerch some kind of Iskander

- ahem ... on a scale of 1:10, or what?
- look at the range of Tornado and Iskander to begin with, at least
- then look at what kind of missiles Iskander can use, and what these missiles can do (Tornado resting, I say right away)
- well, and so on ... "I don't believe" (c)

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

By the way, Russian propaganda should not present UkroOPK as sheds for the production of pots. How would later not have to cry

- you see ... propaganda - it is for extras (ordinary people, couch experts etc)
- decisions are not made on sofas. And where they are accepted, there are completely different sources of information. And this is definitely not "propaganda".

That's something like

[Gerasim Donskoy]

It would be necessary to know something, precisely from pr sources. If you look at them, the first thing you will see is that the "daughters" of the Russian banks Sberbank and VTB willingly lend to the enterprises of the UkrOPK. In 2016, loans for Yuzhmash increased sharply. This speaks of an increase in the volume of work, salaries, etc., so if you get hit on the head with some kind of flying ukropodmet, do not say that all of you were not warned. Hm, kha and khe ... Hmm, and at the same time say thanks to G Gref, he makes a great contribution to the recovery of the Ukrainian economy.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

if you get some flying dill on the head, don’t say that you weren’t warned

- You, hike, "not a reader"
- I repeat for those on the battleship:

Quote: Cat Man Null

decisions are not made on sofas. And where they are accepted, there are completely different sources of information. And this is definitely not "propaganda"

- that is, your "warnings" - they are, as it were, about nothing

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

In 2016, loans for Yuzhmash increased sharply. This indicates an increase in work volumes, salaries, etc.

- etc., behind which theft is masked (a national sport in Ukraine) and drinks
- I don't know what the heavily ukrooptimized Yuzhmash "sculpts" there, but other samples of ukrotechnik nothing but healthy laughter have not yet caused

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

... at the same time say thank you to Mr. Gref, he makes a great contribution to the economic recovery of Ukraine

- bad troll ... dumb and fat

[Gerasim Donskoy]

It is better not to be a "reader" than to look like an inflated peacock on the bridge of an "battleship". By the way, SB and VTB reached 30% of the volume of all financial transactions in Ukraine, in fact, the entire financial system of Ukraine rests on them. This was acknowledged by Poroshenko himself, explaining why Russian banks continue their work in Ukraine. In Donbass, everyone knows that, alas, our civilians are being killed, including with Russian money. Thank you so much for humanitarian aid, but it would be better if Kiev were deprived of Russian money, and humanitarian aid for us. Then no Western financial aid would have saved Ukraine and the ATO (that is, the war!) Would have ended quickly.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Gerasim Donskoy

it would be better if Kiev was deprived of Russian money, and us-humanitarian aid ...

- Are you not a "Crimean", dear?
- about VTB and Sberbank - don't need so much dust ... if they leave, Western banks will immediately take their place. Since "the holy place is not empty. For the nasty one - triple"

That's something like

[alexmach]

Well, who actually talked about the firing of anti-aircraft missiles? They said "we will shoot, everyone will hide," but they did not specify what to shoot. Maybe an anti-aircraft missile, maybe a Point. Maybe some kind of airborne anti-ship.

[vell.65]

They can run into our air defense and this is not discussed!

[Mushroom]

Yes, they’ve already discussed a couple of times with notes of protest on the murder of a man-husband and a parent of children and 2 specialists, and what were they discussing? Soap bubbles at the mouth?

[Delink]

Donbass can activate the attack to Kiev
Then the launches are delayed.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

We have been clearing the rubble for two and a half years for the Crimea. And therefore, Crimeans Nehai get off the sofas and forward for their beautiful resort territory, to Kiev. All other residents of the Russian Federation who wish military feats will be able to participate in the event.

[Mushroom]

They’ve already fired a couple of times, they’ve even killed them already. And our act of aggression apparently regarded this as an act of action in one place, only protest notes in response .. um ...

[Wasiliy1985]

No, let's start a third world war because of this and put 300 million of the world's population, including the elderly, women and children .. Just because Mushroom didn't like the reaction of the Russian Foreign Ministry ..
Krosavcheg, figs ...

[Mushroom]

You can start, you can’t start, but you’re sick, imagine that it’s your wife or daughter, 6 years old, let's say hands and tear off the head or say half a head and half a foot? And a concrete slab will fall on the second half of the head so that the teeth will be like a piano keys? -You will also write?
And this is not a reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but rather a reception after the act of birth control pills ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mushroom

And this is not a reaction of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but rather a reception after the act of birth control pills

- Pig mushroom was raging (s)
- although not Fantomas, of course, but still ... unpleasant

[Mushroom]

And pop out the milk can and everything will pass ..

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mushroom

And pop out the milk can and everything will pass ..

- well, thanks at least for not being valerian

[Mushroom]

In the morning valerian milk is better

[perm23]

And how many people do you need to put, YOU write something stupid. And where does the 3rd world. Because we will always be afraid to substitute for provocation, it will not get better.

[gispanec]

Quote: Evil543

Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

don’t even hope .... indignation and convocation of the UN Security Council where Yusovtsy will immediately block ...... and we will say with foam at the mouth that it’s impossible ....

[79807420129]

Quote: Evil543

These after all can shoot. Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

No, colleague, this will be another slap in the face to all of us, Mlyn, soon the last Zimbabwe will cease to respect.

Russia doesn’t exclude a ban on flights over Crimea due to rocket firing of Ukraine, the official spokesman for the Federal Air Transport Agency Sergey Izvolsky said. . This was stated by the official representative of the Federal Air Transport Agency Sergei Izvolsky. "Flights in the prohibition zones will not be carried out if Ukraine does not cancel its decision," Izvolsky said on the television channel Russia 24. Earlier, he said that Russian and international air carriers have already received notifications of Kiev’s plans to conduct firing. Recall that Ukraine unilaterally, in violation of international agreements, decided on December 1 and 2 to conduct missile firing in the region of Simferopol.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Evil543

These after all can shoot. Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

our politicians are weak. it was necessary to demonstrate full PE over the Turks after the downed Su-24, in the end it came to the conclusion that the Americans were squeezing out our flyers in the sky of Syria, so that while words prevail over deeds we will have ...

[mik6403]

It’s time to start already (with a warning so far), about the possibility in return of giving an order for the physical elimination of people who gave this and similar orders ....

[Tambov Wolf]

No, it will be a "mistake" that our guarantor will forgive. Well, not the guilty guys, she, you know, herself ...

[ochakow703]

Yes, what are you? They are the kids! And they will shoot, and can even bring down. And that Russia has few planes? And we will write a note of protest to them ... and most likely we will drive gas discounts, or generally freebies. They are brothers, and they are flawed, and they are cold and hungry now. And the sovereign sky of Russia is only for the Russians, and all the rest can be crap right on the head ... we will crush ourselves, and again as new. Or am I wrong?

[Karaul73]

And you will do sho vi. What is the answer?

[perm23]

You have to beat and beat on the brazen face. Such people do not understand the human language.

[nerovnayadoroga]

USA and NATO can’t wait to see the possibilities of C300 and C400 and at the same time check VORONEZH at Ukrainian expense

[kuz363]

No, of course. It’s just that Ukraine will apologize deeply and say - we warned you!

[Simfy]

Russian air defense readiness number 1 and, accordingly, some NATO scout will fly in to scan frequencies and determine the position of air defense objects ... and firing like "bait"

[Alex_Rarog]

Well, that's the real training for our air defense! You can also test about! And it’s better to give a return to Kiev for prevention)))

[woron333444]

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lex_Rarog Today, 22:40 PM ↑ New
Well, that's the real training for our air defense! You can also test about! And it’s better to give a return to Kiev for prevention)))

When our civilian board flies, then what the hell training

[AlexTires]

by the way, the air defense work will be "read" over the "hillock", so it's not quite good ...

[Yuyuka]

by the way, the air defense work will be "read" over the "hillock", so it's not quite good ...

and I’m talking about the same thing ... they are driving several birds with one stone, but the main thing is to test the missile defense ... maybe even with the American filling in the rocket itself

[alstr]

Let them count. All the same, they will work at peaceful frequencies. In wartime, the frequency of operation is completely different.

[nerovnayadoroga]

Unfortunately for the Ukrainian side, the test and exercises of our air defense are not even foreseen, only BATTLE shooting! &

[Temples]

Abamka co-comrades finally decided to shoot a salute? On this dill themselves could not understand. Should have consulted with the chef.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Temples

Abamka co-comrades finally decided to shoot a salute? On this dill themselves could not understand. Should have consulted with the chef.

They could already, there they froze such thugs in three years that they now have to defrost them for a long time. And they often act themselves.

[OLD FART]

Who prompted them such an interesting ....? Pedro obviously would not have thought of it ... Wait!
I read a statement recently ...
"Ukrainian is a Russian bitten by a Pole .."))) No offense ...

[Lynch]

Well, as long as they do not spit out the obambi bolt from the mouth ......

[electrooleg]

Quote: Altona

It is probably still unclear to the Dutch investigation and the JIT group who shot down flight # MH17 in the Donbass.

And what doubts can there be if this is already the second civilian aircraft in the entire history of the existence of an independent one? They simply voice what is paid for.

[210ox]

Che I did not understand .. Such a topic .. But there is no Starper-Vitaly, I missed that ..

[OLD FART]

Quote: 210ox

Che I did not understand .. Such a topic .. But there is no Starper-Vitaly, I missed that ..

Where are you without me ... (I went to work ..)))), but I control everything!

[210ox]

Hello, Vitaliy .. Sorry, I didn’t notice. Accept my condolences-vacation is over

[APASUS]

Quote: Altona

It is probably still unclear to the Dutch investigation and the JIT group who shot down flight # MH17 in the Donbass. Ukraine already speaks openly.

I think the Dutch even know the name of the one who pressed the "Start" button.
Even my education is enough to make a spectral analysis of fragments and holes in the aircraft fuselage, which the investigation has at its disposal just a sea, all the corpses of passengers are packed quite densely with them. From here it will be clear what exactly the plane was shot down from.
There is simply no sea docking in the first Dutch report.
Another thing is that the task of this commission is to whitewash the criminals and call the Russians responsible for the tragedy, with any outcome of the investigation!

[OLD FART]

All this is show off men, offensive and yet ... It is necessary, just wait! Ukraine is no more and everyone understands this and is waiting (Pshek don’t be happy ..)))) Biting and harmful!

[210ox]

The paratrooper was found dead .. It’s a pity for the guy and his relatives .. How could the command have done this? ..

[Gerasim Donskoy]

This nonsense a la Zhirinovsky + Zheleznyak + Yarovaya and so on, the "experts" on the TV show at Solovyov kept repeating for two years, but now the conversations have gone different, they say it is, but bad! We must understand that whoever is in power in the West They won't give up such a foothold as Ukraine for anything. They can lift sanctions from the Russian Federation, expand business and other contacts, etc., but they won't remove the knife from under the ribs! The conclusion is simple, "our own", that is, it was easy to give up the security belt, return - so far hardly possible!

[svp67]

My suggestion is only ONE, when entering our airspace, these missiles should be DESTROYED, but it would be better to wrap them up to the owners ... Well, let them intercept them themselves.

[Temples]

It is desirable to destroy the "shooters" too. And then declare that they are in themselves.

[KaPToC]

Quote: svp67

My suggestion is only ONE; when entering our airspace, these missiles must be DESTROYED

This is not enough, it is also necessary to destroy the enemy launchers that launched this missile, the missile will be destroyed in any case, by our air defense or reaching the goal.

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

My suggestion is only ONE, when entering our airspace, these missiles should be DESTROYED, but it would be better to wrap them up to the owners ... Well, let them intercept them themselves.

I think the complexes launching these missiles should be destroyed.
It doesn’t matter which rocket, it is important who launched it.

[Sagittarius]

The horses apparently intended to bring down the plane with the returning Turkish delegation, so that others would not go to the Crimea.

[kapitan92]

Quote: figvam

Quote: svp67

My suggestion is only ONE, when entering our airspace, these missiles should be DESTROYED, but it would be better to wrap them up to the owners ... Well, let them intercept them themselves.

I think the complexes launching these missiles should be destroyed.
It doesn’t matter which rocket, it is important who launched it.

Yes, what do you immediately "bayonets"! Or maybe they will hit Kiev right away, and so that NATO members do not speak in Brussels.
".... The decision of the Ukrainian side looks like another provocation. "....
They are waiting for the reaction of the Russian Federation, and it is necessary to remind about ourselves, otherwise we have forgotten.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: kapitan92

Waiting for the reaction of the Russian Federation

Here you are. Wait ...

Russia allowed a ban on flights over the Crimea due to the shooting of Ukraine

[kapitan92]

Quote: evge-malyshev

Here you are. Wait ...
Russia allowed a ban on flights over the Crimea due to the shooting of Ukraine

This is a normal reaction of a civil organization that controls the airspace over the Russian Federation. I can’t say the number of international routes, I don’t know, but if anything, they will be the first to answer, and why they didn’t "close the sky", remember the events in the sky of Donbass ..

[svp67]

Quote: KaPToC

This is not enough, it is also necessary to destroy the enemy launchers that launched this missile

Quote: figvam

I think the complexes launching these missiles should be destroyed.

Oh, we passed already. The flight and trajectory of the Ukrainian missile or rockets, except for us, NO ONE WILL SEE, the satellites will be "over the horizon", AWACS planes are under maintenance, and ground radar stations will suddenly "go blind". But the results of our retaliatory strike will be shown by ALL the leading television companies of the Western world, with the caption: "Russia ATTACKED Ukraine."

[Hyppopotut]

And then with our inaction, they do not pour mud on us?
"It's better to be sinful than to be reputed to be sinful."
If such a provocation had been staged against Israel, then the otvetka would have arrived even before the rocket was launched!

[oldzek]

Well, this is when against Israel, and in the opinion of the "enlightened" West against Russia, all means are good. And of course there will be offended: they say, sales in the face, and they are fighting.

[perm23]

And then what to do. sit and wait. Well lucky this time. one will not perish. They’ll do something else. If someone wants to find an excuse, he will always find it. Maybe it's time to show your teeth. Because, to prove to someone that we are kind is useless.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: svp67

when entering our airspace, these missiles must be DESTROYED

It would be better to gouge the complexes during deployment, so that not one would take off.

[Lynch]

I remember a video with Vladimir Vladimirovich where he spoke about the spring of the 14th, that we are ready to promptly extinguish all firing points of the Ukrainian army in the event of firing in the direction of Crimea. If the junta decide to shoot, I hope they will shoot down the missiles and the "sisters" and "brothers" will not be let off on the brakes as they did recently.

[perm23]

But they didn’t pay it off when they recently shot at the border guards. If you indulge a bully all the time, he will climb even more.

[Lynch]

The question is not for me, as I said, I hope this time (Unless, of course, firing on the air regions of Crimea takes place), then ours will take retaliatory measures, despite the howl of the Obama satellites. Neither the states nor the EU will harness for the junta and substitute because of this.

[opus]

Quote: svp67

My suggestion is only ONE; when entering our airspace, these missiles must be DESTROYED.

It's clear! But this is a half measure.
Immediately destroy the starting positions of PU in the territory of Ukraine.
what to pull (otherwise the visa-free zone with the EEC will still be received in December )?
What they have?
OTR "Point"?



And what about the Crimea?




Immediately and end the misunderstanding


BRK "BAL" for ground targets was tested in Syria.

[kuz363]

How Israel and the Arabs act similarly.

[Monos]

I propose launching targets and if they are fired, put out the positions.

[Observer2014]

Monos

I propose launching targets and if they are fired, put out the positions.

"Myzdobuly" have been asking for a very long time! For a very long time. Maybe the time has come?

[Monos]

Sergey, I am also glad to welcome you. I think the plans "on top" are already drawn up.
When the time comes they will tell us. But this circus is already tired.

[Observer2014]

Monos

Sergey, I am also glad to welcome you. I think the plans "on top" are already drawn up.
smile When the time comes, they will tell us. But this circus is already tired

Mind does not understand Russia,
No yardstick to measure:
She has a special feature -
You can only believe in Russia.
Victor Just believe! Otherwise nothing.

[Makarov]

I think the same way ... there are educational goals, let them barrage in the indicated area ... and there according to the situation ..

[vfqjh]

In how ... Or maybe really by nozzles, huh? Let ours test themselves without startups.

[Vasyan1971]

Is it possible to answer with "training" firing of Caliber with the capture of hohloterritory somewhere in the area near Mariupol or Kharkov? Otherwise, we already know these "mistakes" and "it happens."

[bk316]

The question is what kind of shooting?
If they will shoot, say thanks and check how the s-400 works. It is advisable to intercept ruins over the territory.
If something is like s-300, we’ll help you and launch a complex target in the form of an iskander.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

In the spring of 2015 in Donetsk and Lugansk from the Artemovsk district (Don region) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, "Tochka U" rockets were launched. They were shot down (attention!) "DLNR air defense" (ha-ha!), Over Donetsk and one shot down on the approach to Luhansk near Pereval'sk in the place of dumps of the Alchevsk Iron and Steel Works.
Even earlier, in 2014, literally the day before the MH17 tragedy, two Tochka U missiles were shot down, fired towards the territory of the Russian Federation. Then J Kerry assured the Kremlin that more Kiev, no, no, God forbid, will behave well! As a result, the next day, July 17, 20214, from the "partners" there was a full trough of slops about the downed MH17 and everything else. It seems that they were simply distracting attention from the main provocation with the liner.
Everyone knows what happened next and how. Maybe this is a "balanced international policy", but it is somehow strange.

[kapitan92]

What are you "squandering" people's money? Iskander is an expensive thing. Can be dispensed with X 58U
"cheap and cheerful".

[1536]

Ukrainians want to bring down another Gladzhan plane. Are we going to shoot their rockets off the sofas? Or swallow again? Will we help them again? We are Russians, as they said in the Foreign Ministry. Cheburashka is simple. Kind and fluffy.
Isn’t it time to respond to provocations so that it is not disastrous? It’s interesting, if in 1941 before the war we shot down a couple of German planes violating our airspace, would the war begin? I think no!

[igorka357]

Quote: svp67

My suggestion is only ONE, when entering our airspace, these missiles should be DESTROYED, but it would be better to wrap them up to the owners ... Well, let them intercept them themselves.

I understand everything, they provoke us, but what to bring down, we have the S-400, but you have a little misunderstanding of the depth of the issue, it’s not only important to launch missile interceptors, it’s also important to intercept these missiles, and if it doesn’t work out ..? In Syria, we are testing we can say the weapons are run-in, reliable, and not very technologically advanced, but intercepting real targets in the form of missiles ... is it serious, what if we can’t intercept them? At present, Russia's air defense is one of the strongest in the world, if not the first a place, but if we can’t intercept it, you can imagine what will begin, prestige will drop completely, so the authority is at stake, knocking down a real target with a missile defense is not so easy, it’s not for you to shoot down an ITC! It’s better not to let these firing, at least threats, at least political methods!

[Gerasim Donskoy]

And where has the power of the Russian air defense system been proven by combat practice? More recently, on this site, we discussed how the F-22 of the US Air Force and the Saudis gouged the Syrian troops allied with Russia with complete impunity. Neither the S-300, nor the S-400 even turned their ear. And now, after that, Kiev has suddenly become bolder and is going to literally spit in Moscow's face and personally. There is a limit to rudeness, after crossing which the boor is beaten and very painful! Otherwise, they will spit!

[igorka357]

Listen to a four-day girl, it’s not proven in military practice, but the whole world knows that! Although the Donbass Khokhloletuns also proved this a little ..)))

[Gerasim Donskoy]

And what if tomorrow is a war and "suddenly we won't intercept" !? Oh, why bother ... Everyone will understand everything at once and then Russia will certainly not be, because now the equipment moves faster than in 1941 and it is unlikely that it will be possible to reach Moscow and Volgograd.

[Triton]

Hear you, heinous, are you from where on the site drew yourself here?

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Triton is this what? From a swamp, or something like a bulldog and a quack.

[a housewife]

Gerasim! They will change you here with Mumu. Come out!

[Mordvin 3]

The mistress is of course a bastard, but we will drown the dog. This is not about you, dear housewife.

[shosha]

The weapon in the hands of a debi ... and the crane is dangerous for everyone, including for himself.

[501 Legion]

Of course they will close the sky so God forbid, but their rockets will have to be shot down. Let it be training for the armored beech that is on the protection of the air territory of Russia, but it would be possible to open fire at the places of deployment of the air defense of Ukraine, at the intersection of their missiles in the airspace of Russia. have full right

[Evgenijus]

... when crossing their Russian airspace rockets.

Here we can’t allow Russia to cross the airspace ...

[501 Legion]

yes, it’s also impossible to bring them down over Ukraine so that everything in the legal field needs intersection, then all measures are adequate

[Evgenijus]

I served in the Strategic Missile Forces. Here the enemy's head weighs 2 Mega is flying (for example, we had such people), crosses the border ... And what, only now is it possible? Well, you give ...

[501 Legion]

But if you served in the Strategic Missile Forces, you know that the trajectory of the warhead is calculated and its place is set. that you can’t say about the same rocket ground \ air. especially since their air defense is close to the borders. so what do you give by comparing the warhead of an ICBM and an anti-aircraft missile

[Smog]

Of course they will close the sky so God forbid

Russia admits a ban on flights in the Crimea region if Ukraine does not cancel the decision to conduct rocket firing over the peninsula, reports TASS.

This was stated by the official representative of the Federal Air Transport Agency Sergei Izvolsky on the TV channel "Russia 24".

“Flights in the prohibition zones will not be carried out if Ukraine does not cancel its decision,” he said.

Izvolsky said earlier that Russian and international airlines were notified of Ukraine’s plans to conduct rocket firing.

Rosaviatsia November 25 said that Ukraine had violated all international agreements and unilaterally intends to conduct rocket firing in the region of Simferopol.

[Erg]

Quote: 501Legion

at the intersection of their missiles in the airspace of Russia. have full right

Full right to smash kaklastan! That’s what you have to say.

[izya top]

what is it to me, that the corpse no longer knows how to call Russia to war
but I think that Europe will give them a piston (well, or a rod) from the earth to the sky, they will put them over the horizon

[Halfunra]

A group of tourists, allegedly from the Crimea, announced that they would sit on the Khreshchatyk crap after visiting the restaurant.

[friend of animals]

I hope that a harsh reaction from the Russian Ministry of Defense will follow that missiles and launchers will be destroyed if launched.

[Vlad5307]

Kuchma then stated that it was a “mistake”, but “it happens”, and did not apologize officially for the nightmare incident.

It was from this Kuchkidrma that the ukrovs had a fashion for shooting down civilian liners! Dibilism is progressing - the main thing is to shit on a neighbor under the approval of euro-idiots! It is not for nothing that they moved the S-300 closer to the border, they gradually prepared for this disgusting, and now they decided to enlist the support of the new owner in the White House, driving him into the "framework" of support for the decaying Nezalezhnosti! Ours need to conduct anti-missile maneuvers on our side!

[Evgenijus]

It is a pity that civilian liners still cannot be sent on a flight, but all Ukrainian missiles are definitely shot down without any warning, better still over the territory of Ukraine, so that they do not reach the border of Russia ...

[Berg berg]

Not only destroy all enemy missiles flying towards Russian territory, but also all places of their launch!

[win]

In 2001, the Ukrainian side conducted rocket firing in the airspace of Crimea.
The Russian passenger Tu-154 airliner was shot down. The Minister of Defense of Ukraine was then Alexander Kuzmukwho was dismissed for a downed plane.
2016 year. Ukrainian rocket firing. In the past year Alexander Kuzmuk again headed the defense ministry.
Everyone tensed up ...
All were reassured by the former chief of armament of the Black Sea Fleet, Rear Admiral Konstantin Bespalchev, who assured a Kommersant correspondent that the tragedy over the Black Sea in 2001 occurred only because of the poor organization of rocket firing.
For 15 years, the organization of firing increased by the nth time, although the cost savings for these firing decreased.

http://k-stenke.com/novosti-ukrainy/item/14719-14
24620782.html

[Zaval]

A test of organizing an air blockade of Crimea, Russia spits on fines. If you give in and leave unanswered, then such "shooting" will be carried out on an ongoing basis. Unfortunately, at present, the Russian Federation will be forced to comply with the order on dangerous zones if Ukraine does not cancel it. The Ukrainians are almost openly provoking and begging for forceful actions from the Russian Federation.

[behemot]

hohlotvari begged, or to shoot down missiles, if it is impossible, then destroy the division, again the scumbags scammed the passenger plane.

ps now moderate will come out, well, you’re an unwise person, you wanted a war, you can’t !!! ETOGES BROTHERS!

[Banishing liberoids]

Why do you howl-bomb their launchers at the starting position! It may be enough to appeal to the West, to the conscience of the Ukrainians, and at least once show that we can put the Ukrainians in the place of the Russian Crimea, and this is forever.

[vanavatny]

You can’t swear, in another way - good evening everyone

[Dezinto]

I did not understand, they were just stupidly going to shoot in the air in different directions?

At the same time, within these zones, flights of civil and state aircraft are carried out.

Well, warn me! Introduce measures! This is a transdean of some kind comrades. The monkey threw a grenade and found a rocket!

The OSCE there different observers, observers, as usual, got water in their mouths ?, sharply turned away and looked very attentively at the problems of Syria, ..... well, we live in such a cool world.

Now the remnants of the rocket are naturally Soviet-style, will fall on the territory of Crimea, IIIii whooooo will be to blame ??

[Amurets]

Quote: DEZINTO

Now the remnants of the rocket are naturally Soviet-style, will fall on the territory of Crimea, and who will be to blame?

Like who? Elementary. The cancellation of the Bialowieza Agreements takes place; there was no collapse of the USSR. In the West, Belovezhskaya Accords are considered an internal affair of the USSR and these documents are not recognized. Http://www.bibliotekar.ru/mihail-gorbach
ev / 82.htm
Here is a statement by the UN Secretary General made in February this year.
http://prad-media.ru/ukraine-is-not-a-state/

[Gerasim Donskoy]

So there will be a check for "lice", however, the question is, whom?

[cannabis]

And the horror stories for the people are all scary and frightening! Déjà vu arises with the Cuban Missile Crisis, when we all sang Cuba, my love, the island of a crimson dawn, and there was horror in our souls from a possible nuclear war. Then the former shepherd boy first made a serious porridge, and then suddenly became America's first friend and ordered everyone to slaughter cattle and sow corn. It is amazing how many idiots you can see on the way from sperm to "toad in a jacket"!

[Cat man null]

Quote: cunning

There is a deja vu with the Caribbean crisis, when we all sang Cuba, my love, the island of dawn is crimson ...

- that's just the song was written after the Caribbean crisis ... what did you sing there?

Quote: cunning

Then the former shepherd first made serious porridge ...

- about how
- But for some reason I thought that it was the Americans who sent Jupiters to Turkey first ... kaaaaak everything is interesting ...

Quote: cunning

... what idiots you can’t see on the road ...

- meticulously noticed (s)
- cannabis, burn more ... in your opinion, in Russian

[Kondratko]

Quote: cunning

and in my heart there was horror from a possible nuclear war

There was a case, he asked his mother what the situation was in the USSR during the Caribbean crisis, she said that nobody knew anything about it, hadn’t heard, didn’t show it on TV, they didn’t print it in the newspapers, although my father was already at that time a personnel officer of the USSR ZRV, she also did not hear anything from him, maybe due to secrecy, unfortunately he didn’t have time to ask him, since when I began to be interested in such things he was no longer alive.
Perhaps ordinary people had fear, not even fear, but fears, but only because of the Cold War, about which, as I understood it, at that time they didn’t think much either. People in the USSR simply lived peacefully, for which thanks to our armed forces.

[kuz363]

Mom just does not remember or was not interested. I well remember that crisis, I was 14 years old. On the radio (we didn’t have a telly) and in the newspapers published reports about bringing the army and navy to a higher degree of readiness that submarines and aircraft had entered combat positions to launch missiles across the US and NATO. The people knew about this, though there was no fear. Because they did not realize the consequences of the conflict.

[Karabin]

Rosaviation: Ukraine intends to conduct rocket firing using the airspace of the Russian Federation

A "sad story" (C) with the intention to shoot dill can become a "sad fact" (C). since the previous "sad facts" (C) (brawls at the embassy, ​​shelling of the territory, murders of civilians and secret service personnel, kidnapping of servicemen and other trifles like "puila") are presented by the Russian leadership as nothing more than sad misunderstandings. Therefore, the relevant structures need to take care of canceling flights or changing routes. Yes, it is inconvenient. Yes, losses. But that would not be "treachery" (C) and "stabbing in the back" (C) from partners, this must be done.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Karabin

... it must be done ...

- with what to scold, they would offer ... a reasonable alternative

[Karabin]

Quote: Cat Man Null

would offer ... a reasonable alternative

Close the sky for flights in the area of ​​alleged dill shooting, which could be more reasonable. And so every time our respected Bandera partners want to shoot.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Karabin

Close the sky for flights in the area of ​​alleged dill shooting, which could be more reasonable ...

- this is all sarcasm, as I understand it
- if you have a fit alternative share im please
- I don’t see such an option yet ... from the mind of poverty, obviously

[Karabin]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- this is all sarcasm, as I understand it

Do not cover the sky. Nehai Ukrainians so bullet-this is sarcasm. True black.

Quote: Cat Man Null

if you have a suitable alternative,

Yes, there is no real. Neither I nor you. And the leadership has only one thing: wipe the next spit, express indignation and hope that dill change their minds.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Karabin

Yes, there is no real. Neither I nor you

- understood

Quote: Karabin

And the leadership has only one thing: wipe the next spit, express indignation and hope that dill change their minds

- Well, I wouldn’t be so unequivocal ...
- the fact is that even if they steal something and take it a bit, they will definitely not tell us about it
- so we will think that all-all-all is bad, and we won’t be able to sleep peacefully ... pichalka, in short.
- under the Union it was still better: milk yield, weight gain, yields ... and everything else - under the right bar, and it’s not brought to the crowd
- That's not banter at all - I would return censorship from there, for starters. With enormous pleasure

[kuz363]

Really cancel flights so as not to risk passengers. Shoot down all the targets that go into the airspace of the Crimea. Shoot down all Ukrainian missiles in the same way. As for Ukrainian launchers, it is enough to destroy just one as an example. And to inform that next time everything will be destroyed.

[VDV1985]

Preventively bomb launch positions

[mag nit]

But can we conduct rocket firing over Kiev?

[VadimSt]

And why the answer is given by "Rosaviatsia", and not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and even more so the General Staff - they have the possibility of limiting and "landing" the next ukrouri can be quite tangible for those who smoke.

[Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich]

You can shoot down of course. To alert the air defense and to practice at the same time. But this is bad luck: the debris of targets and interceptors falling on your head is a dubious pleasure, and the Ukrainians will try to lay their missile trails over populated areas.

[kuz363]

And are there no fragments from Ukrainian missiles, too, if they hit targets?

[Dekabrist]

Someone is trolling someone. I watched all Ukrainian news channels - not a word. Only on 112ua information about the absence of any information from the MO.

[boris-1230]

Tough as Israel and Palestine

[Sidel45]

That's all the Minsk agreements ... How Poroshenko and his clique would like to challenge Moscow for a blow. Whatever they do for this, what provocations they come up with. One thing is not clear - what are they counting on if such a blow does take place? To the aid of the EU? But Western Europe is not ready for a big war. Uncle Sam’s help? But he usually fights with the wrong hands and against weak opponents, and here God forbid, and he has nuclear weapons, which he will not think about using if he gets hot. F. Klintsevich has already said this. And if there is a blow and no one intervenes, then what will Poroshenko do? Lubricate your heels and run west? So they may not accept there - who needs it ...

[valent45]

Monkeys with a grenade, damn it! Put this grenade in their ass! Warn hard at the official level (UN, NATO).

[ref25]

A serious introduction to our videoconferencing.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: ref25

A serious introduction to our videoconferencing.

Not for the videoconferencing, but for the top leadership of the Russian Federation. But leave unanswered.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Giant thought

A colossal provocation is planned, it is necessary to bring down the Ukrainian missile as soon as it enters our airspace, and with the next blow destroy the missile launcher that launched the missile. Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

Even before January there will be many provocations, but this is a sideline. Obviously from the filing of pendosni.

[nrex]

What the hell, provoke! Shoot down all the missiles, With 400 your way out !!!

[Woolfy]

Well, this is no longer funny and requires a tough answer

[Demeter]

So tell Kiev that in the event of another damage to the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation will respond by opening fire on Kiev, as Israel does by striking retaliation against Arab countries, then these boors will subside.

[Mountain shooter]

Warning - in case of firing, destroy both the missiles and the installations from which they will be fired. Bring this to the skakons. 9 versus 1, that they would not risk shooting anywhere. Yes, and nothing special there. All rocket technology has slowly reached the limit or has already exceeded its operational life.

[KryoWarrior1978]

It seems to me, probably not on my own, rather that someone wants to "smell", "listen" to air defense in the region. Frequencies, how we react, and so on. Provokashki shitty, rude talk, to put it mildly.

[Kondratko]

Also, the first thought after hearing the news was about this.

[3vs]

I didn’t understand something, is our Ministry of Defense and senior management silent in a rag about something?
There should be a clear explanation, if any objects appear in the sky of Crimea, they will be destroyed, as
launch points will also be destroyed ...

[Sanya45444]

Off-topic, but important to me ... Admin, explain why I was sent to an eternal ban without warning?

[Sanya45444]

And it’s time to squeeze dill ... It’s already got ...

[legkostup]

Crimea is not yours!

[salomeeff]

But can it hit the headquarters in Hohland? Let them try their missiles, and you can embed the missile units at the pestles of the dislocation, and there they themselves rake what remains after the missile retaliatory strike.

[cannabis]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- Cannabis, burn more ... in your opinion, in Russian

Hey! Who is this here? Aw !!! ..... a ... it's you, the ghost of communism .... wander around, grumble, pick lime from the walls. I understand ... there’s nothing to do. Well, go on a ghost, you can hide yourself where. Or maybe it’s better back to the Baskervilles?

[Yuri. Kaliningrad]

Oooh !!! This is US again O-B-E-S-P-O-K-O-I-V-A-E-T !!! ..........

[fa2998]

Quote: Evil543

These after all can shoot.

This is a very dangerous provocation! Most countries in the world have not yet recognized the annexation of Crimea to Russia. In their opinion, Ukraine is conducting exercises IN OWN HEAVEN! And if these "warriors" knock down someone, they will say "WE WARNED!" And they did not violate international norms. I think they themselves did not think of it, they helped "friends" from across the ocean. the authorities decided to loudly slam the door. Russia will answer - another reason for accusations.

[Taygerus]

they wanted to unleash a war like this, they can hide behind nits only with children and women, and peaceful planes can be shot down to please the cannibals

[Neputin]

I propose to "substitute" an empty civilian plane under the Ukrainian missiles with the possibility of a quick evacuation of the crew (warn about missile launch). But the plane must be filled with junk, suitcases, toys, and you can fill it with fresh corpses. Filming the downing of an airplane on video so that everyone could understand everything, launch a powerful PR campaign, invite reporters, etc. The second downed plane is a 100% reason for war. And no one will judge us. And start hammering Iskander across Kiev, and not crossing the border. After 2 weeks they will surrender themselves.
Another option: the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Internal Affairs should speak, preferably at the UN and officially warn that if at least one missile flies into the territory of Russia, we destroy all launchers at the basing places, and at the same time at warehouses and bases. It is demonstrative to bring the Iskanders, calibers and strategic aviation fully operational, and wait. But do not officially declare war.
But I’m almost sure that ours will again begin to prostitute and even close the airspace of Crimea because of these prides. urk. ov. I wish I could be wrong!

[Cat man null]

Quote: Neputin

with the ability to quickly evacuate the crew

- no such option on civilian aircraft

Quote: Neputin

It is demonstrative to bring the Iskanders, calibers and strategic aviation fully operational, and wait. But do not officially declare war

- I have the impression that in childhood you did not play enough soldiers

Quote: Neputin

But I'm almost sure that ours will again begin to prostitute and even close the airspace of Crimea

- What do you think, what reaction do the initiators of this provocation seek from the Russian Federation?
- IMHO exactly the one you wrote about
- which, in turn, means that you are either a DB, or a conscious enemy and provocateur, What will you choose?

[Neputin]

I expect from the authorities of the Russian Federation a clear and clear reaction to all provocations and not to endless prostitution and half-hearted decisions. How to raise prices in 2 times in our own country - we can do this right away and no one needs to explain anything to BIDLo. And how to embed someone properly, we cannot. Tomatoes all got off? As for you, Cat Man Null, I have one question for you: you only virtually rude to strangers. And in real life, apparently never snatched? In fact, it will be an invaluable experience for you. I recommend to try ..

[Cat man null]

Your, dear, limitation imposes severe restrictions on the ability to answer you essentially your respected ... ahem, statements.

You write, in fact, bullshit. I admit even that you believe in everything that you write here. That makes it worse. For you

Quote: Neputin

You ... rude to strangers ...

- give an example where I am rude to you
- Keep in mind that expressing an opinion about your respected statements is not rudeness, generally speaking.
- for taking care of me, of course, thank you ... but I’ll understand as a thread what, where and when to do / not to do. Without ensemble

[Neputin]

You are rude gently, even affectionately, one might say. From this I can conclude that you are not a stupid person. As for my comments, it is possible that somewhere I am wrong. I usually try not to get involved in disputes on very special issues that I don't understand. But I have the right to have a definite point of view. If I am wrong, prove to me that I am wrong and I will accept your point of view. I do not belong to the "stoned". But many things related to the internal (less external) policy of our state are incomprehensible to me, because they are not logical and inexplicable from any point of view. The endless lies on TV are also annoying, or rather, not lies but half-truths or "crossing". Well, you can't keep everyone for suckers. Sincerely.
PS And where did you get the idea that I am a limited person? We didn't really communicate with you. If you want to try, so as not to create a flood on the site - I will give you an email address - through a "personal" as it does not work out very well.

[Sotskiy]

Kuchma then stated that it was a “mistake”, but “it happens”, and did not apologize officially for the nightmare incident.

I personally observed this “mistake” that flew out of the firing zone perpendicular to the ship’s course directly above us. We walked straight from Samsun (Turkey) to Azov along the border of the shooting zone. They also laughed: “The Independents have become insolent in the end. If this “mistake” had gone above sea level, they would have fed the fish with the whole team.” And when we approached the Kerch Strait and the TV started picking up, we found out where this “error” had flown and who it had hit.

[BOB044]

This is some kind of ........., some kind of missile firing in our airspace. Another state. These hairy people present us, Russia, with a fait accompli and we, Russia, must wash ourselves. But everything is fine with their heads. Or Russia should correct something for them there.

[prior]

Ukrainian nationalism is the fascism of our time.

Are there still doubters?

It will not disappear on its own, it will not dissolve. It is necessary to cut without waiting for peritonitis.

[T_T]

This is an attempt to disrupt air traffic between Crimea and the mainland. Flights will be stopped. There will be economic losses for companies, and travel between Crimea and the mainland will be complicated. Ukraine and its partners will calculate it, and if there are losses and there is a significant complication in the movement of citizens, such exercises will be regular. Or they will simply announce their indefinite duration. And Ukraine does not have to shoot in the direction of Russia or carry out launches at all. It is enough for our services to close the skies to civil aviation in order to avoid an unforeseen situation. And Europe considers this territory Ukrainian and our ships fly there illegally.

[Cat man null]

Quote: T_T

There will be economic losses for companies, travel between Crimea and the mainland will be complicated

- in one incomplete day (December 1) there will be fewer losses than from good rain or snowfall

Quote: T_T

if there are losses and there will be a significant complication in the movement of citizens, such training will be regular

- that is unlikely...

Quote: T_T

Europe considers this territory Ukrainian and our ships fly there illegally

- this is the only real problem

[alexmach]

In fact, neither in Europe nor in the United States, if Ukraine organizes a military provocation, it will also come back to haunt it at the diplomatic level.

[Not served]

Shooting, haha. Yes, let them shoot with what they still have left. Let them shoot everything and calm down. Where can I get new ones???
There will be no shooting, but the area can easily be turned into constant shooting, and as soon as something significant civilian flies, they will try to shoot it down..

[Balamyt]

A lot has been said about treachery, provocations and encroachment on the territorial integrity of Russia. And at the highest level at that. I emphasize SAID! It's time to move from words to action and show what our air defense is capable of. Anything that crosses our border without authorization must be destroyed, along with launch sites, installations, and service personnel, wherever they are located! And a statement about this from our leadership should follow immediately!
PS I can’t imagine that someone’s rocket would fly at least near Alaska!

[Alexandr2637]

What kind of conversations can there be?
Definitely destroy points of possible missile launches and at the same time a couple of Iskanders at Kuev.. So that they think about it next time, if there is still something to think about....

[slavatvp]

It would be better to tell what the Ministry of Defense will do in response to these actions.

[Cat man null]

Quote: slavatvp

It would be better to tell what the Ministry of Defense will do in response to these actions...

- The SBU, in particular, is interested in this...
- who would tell you such a thing... naiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightly

[Darth Revan]

Quote: Evil543

These after all can shoot. Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

Technically yes. How else to qualify the flight of foreign missiles through Russian airspace? How would Americans react to this? Big bada boom! - that's what their reaction would be!

[RUSIVAN]

This is exactly what the provocation is about, the Western executioners want to test our reaction and, if possible, drag us into this conflict...

[Valkh]

Destroy all missile crews during launches!!! So that it’s not common practice to think with your head, and don’t f...y!!!

[fif21]

Knowing the passion of Ukrainian air defense for civilian aircraft, it is better to close the declared zone. And also increase it, who knows.

[avg-mgn]

It won't suit them to crash in the sky over their territory, about which they have been warned in advance - they'll crash at the start. Since the fool, as they claim, is controllable, then electronic warfare will help them - return the fool to the start!!!

[NKVD]

Russia won’t do anything except scream, you’ll see. Putin needs to bend over to Trump. What did Putin do in response to the kidnapping of our military in Crimea? Absolutely nothing, even in Somalia I think they would have acted more harshly. Our government is now weak, it only knows how to shake its tongue and extort the last penny from the people.

[tinibar]

Quote: Giant thought

A colossal provocation is planned, it is necessary to bring down the Ukrainian missile as soon as it enters our airspace, and with the next blow destroy the missile launcher that launched the missile. Obama, the goat, can’t calm down in any way, finally decided to tickle the nerves of the whole world.

We must take all measures to prevent flying over our territory! From electronic warfare and air defense systems to the use of sabotage units! This is not an ordinary provocation, this is over the top! Uncle Sam's lackeys have gone crazy!

[Prutkov]

Well. Since they expect that Russia will still fly planes over Crimea, they are preparing a provocation. This means we need to do the opposite. But it is necessary to ensure that civil aircraft did not fly over Ukraine at all during this period, but flew around it much further north and south. And this is not small money. Ukraine does not allow planes to fly over Crimea, and Russia does not allow transit flights through Ukraine.

[Neputin]

So practically no one flies over Ukraine after the Boeing was shot down. You can see it on the map online.

[Chisxnumxdiman]

Take it and suppress their air defense radars with our anti-aircraft missile systems. No matter what happens.

[Arkuda]

Maybe the curators are checking what the Russians are capable of.

[perm23]

We are all afraid to give an excuse. If they want to find it, man, let me light a cigarette, and who did you send? How not to finish the game and wash yourself with blood. So they will go to Crimea, and why shouldn’t we answer? What about their territory? Nobody recognized it.

[Arkuda]

I assume that all missiles fired by "ukroVs" will be hit and the launchers destroyed. I consider this outcome to be symmetrical.

[Egor-dis]

The main idea expressed by the community is to shoot down. The main discussion is only about the nuances. Technical and political.
If there are specialists here, enlighten me, is it impossible to cover their launchers with electronic warfare? So that not only could they not capture the target, but also use these systems in general?

[Dekabrist]

There is such a setting. It is widespread and will no doubt continue to be used. Photo below.
http://pics.wikireality.ru/upload/5/58/War_divan.
jpg

[Egor-dis]

Quote: Dekabrist

There is such a setting. It is widespread and will no doubt continue to be used. Photo below.
http://pics.wikireality.ru/upload/5/58/War_divan.
jpg

Sit quietly on your battle couch and take Viagra, since you only get a link. The question was addressed to specialists.

[Dekabrist]

What a question, that’s the answer.

[ARES623]

There is very little time left before the fate of the US presidency is determined, and then the fate of some European politicians. During this period, we should expect maximum aggravation of relations with Russia in Europe. Therefore, extraordinary measures can be taken to still encourage Putin to take practical tough measures. The main tone of the comments on this news is exactly what they are trying to achieve. Indignant idiots will shout at every corner that Putin will once again wipe himself out, and the Foreign Ministry will wave off a lengthy note of protest. Due to their narrow-mindedness, a significant part of the “couch heroes” will demand to enroll them in the army of volunteers and give each of them an ice ax. I just want to tell them - friends, freeze like monkeys in front of Ka, moderate your ardor, it doesn’t matter in this life, sometimes even in your own kitchen. You have elected the President of your country, so trust him in this situation too. Don’t get in his way, and without you there is something to do and think about. I think he will find a way to respond to these newly minted “Führers” from 404.

[Stauffenberg]

Who are you to throw mud at everyone?

[ARES623]

Quote: Stauffenberg

Who are you to throw mud at everyone?

I am a simple reader who strives to think first and then speak and act. What you call dirt is a very restrained criticism and a call for sanity. But I didn’t drink vodka with you, and therefore, please, with “you”.

[doubovitski]

Quote: sergeybulkin

it’s necessary to shoot down the Ukrainian rocket as soon as it enters our airspace, and to destroy the rocket launcher with the next blow,

No, it is necessary to bring down rockets as soon as they leave the territory of Ukraine, to shoot down everything, but it is impossible to destroy the launchers, this will be like declaring war - the Koklahs only achieve this. They are at war with Russia, but Russia did not come to their war, it is impossible to go on about these schizos.

Destroy the threat in its very bud. In other words, destroy the installations when they begin to function, when the radars begin to operate. Take the example of a small but proud country that was not afraid to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. By publishing space and other photographs BEFORE and AFTER our response.

[Million]

And what will be our tough answer?

[Stauffenberg]

I believe that Ukraine needs to be given a hint about the jokes with the superpowers. Hint through military channels that the release of any missile will strike targets on Ukrainian territory.
But first of all, to protect our citizens. Cancel flights during these hours. If the crests merge as usual. Send out an ambassador and introduce at least work visas for starters. Create a government of Ukraine in exile and actively seek the overthrow of the current cannibalistic regime. Otherwise, we need to throw off our regime. The time for jokes is over

[Cat man null]

You see, dear... everything is a little more complicated than you think:
- from the point of view of the leadership of most countries of the world, Crimea is at least a “disputed territory”. At most, this is the territory of Ukraine.
- therefore, from the point of view of these “guidelines”, Ukraine has every right to do whatever it pleases in the airspace of Crimea.
- therefore, launching strikes on the territory of Ukraine (in response to a missile launch) will definitely be regarded by these “leaderships” as an act of Russian aggression against Ukraine

Think about this, for starters. The Russian Federation is not alone in the world, and the Russian Federation is not the most powerful power in the world. And the Russian army is also not the most powerful army in the world. Which, as it were, predisposes us to search for, ahem... a reasonable compromise in this and in all similar cases.

The advice about the “government in exile” makes me laugh personally. Almost like being tickled

Quote: Stauffenberg

Otherwise we need to throw off our regime

- I don’t understand the logic
- Are you tired of buns growing in the bakery, light in the wires, and water in the tap?
- if you're tired of it, go and spend the night in a garbage dump
- I’m not tired of any of the above yet, and therefore I will put pressure on those who want to “throw off the regime” with all my little strength

I’m giving you a combat sofa, use it, you deserve it:

[Dekabrist]

Thanks for the photo, I was tormented, only the link came up.

[Stauffenberg]

Tell all this to the relatives of the Novosibirsk-Tel Aviv and Amsterdam-Kuala Lampur flights. These giggles led to the tragedy in Sinai.
As for pressing, your pressure has not grown. It won't go further than pictures anyway.

[Cat man null]

Enchanting prick...

Quote: Stauffenberg

Tell all this to the relatives of the Novosibirsk-Tel Aviv and Amsterdam-Kuala Lampur flights...

- For what, excuse me, purpose should I tell them this?

Quote: Stauffenberg

These giggles led to the tragedy in Sinai

- I don’t see the connection... can you really see it?
- my doubts

Quote: Stauffenberg

Regarding pressing, your pressure has not grown. It won't go further than pictures anyway.

- Well, why be so categorical... I’m not saying that I will personally put pressure on you.
- it won’t go further than pictures (on the Internet) - naturally... captain

[Stauffenberg]

It is clear that you travel by tram or minibus, so fears about potentially downed planes are funny to you. But thousands of people fly to Crimea and therefore any risk must be excluded. Ukraine has shown that it can freely shoot down civilian airliners. Ukraine must understand that even the thought of this will lead to such a retaliatory strike that no one will be able to pick up the bones. And the tragedy in Sinai showed that when there is a war nearby, underestimating the risk leads to disastrous results. A war in which Russia is participating.

So which one of us? ..peck

[Cat man null]

Quote: Stauffenberg

...concerns about potentially downed planes are funny to you...

- You again pretend that you didn’t understand anything... well ... turn off the military board already, right?
- I find the home-grown polytags funny (let me clarify - exactly a la you, so that your doubts disappear), which recipes here they offer... stupid, like themselves

Quote: Stauffenberg

So which one of us? ..peck

- You, definitely

Quote: Stauffenberg

Our government is fixated on white ribbon people and piles. .well, good. Let them think that only they are dangerous

- Well, you are, well, absolutely safe for the authorities... like a butterfly-moth
- and don’t pout like that, otherwise you’ll fart inadvertently, it’ll be awkward

[ARES623]

Quote: Stauffenberg

As for pressing, your pressure has not grown. It won't go further than pictures anyway.

Thank God, you yourself won’t be able to do more than chatter. Emotional delirium, fortunately, does not leave a tangible material trace.

[Stauffenberg]

you know everything. Our government is fixated on white ribbon people and piles. .well, good. Let them think that only they are dangerous

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Well, then, ahem, not the strongest power, that is, the Russian Federation, will have to backtrack. And for the sake of peace and integrity, return Crimea to its previous owner. The USSR was not a world power for a very long time; moreover, it was much weaker than its “partners”. However, in 1950, inferior to the United States in everything, Comrade Stalin challenged all “progressive humanity” in the person of the UN and entered the fight for Korea. As a result, North Korea still exists today.
“A herd of rams led by a lion is stronger than a herd of lions led, cough, cough, with a ram!” I hope you remember who said this.

[Vadim237]

Send an ultimatum - launch missiles, launch a massive missile strike on clusters of Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donbass - and then a force operation to force Ukraine to peace by the LDPR..

[Retvizan]

Quote: Stauffenberg

I believe that Ukraine needs to be given a hint about the jokes with the superpowers.

Well, Ukraine is now a branch of the United States. And there is only one superpower left (I didn’t say it, but a certain citizen of the Russian Federation)

Quote: Stauffenberg

Hint through military channels that the release of any missile will strike targets on Ukrainian territory

Yes, they are waiting for this - then they will see everything not only through military channels. They will also officially warn you what will happen.
any blow will be very necessary for sponsors.

Quote: Stauffenberg

If the crests merge as usual.

Yes, we can at least introduce open-ended exercises over Crimea. We have it de jure, so there are no problems in the legal field. We can shoot, but we can only announce shooting. If anything, we announced the teaching in advance in our internationally recognized zones Any words of the Russian Foreign Ministry will be drowned in the Western media and will even be interpreted as words of aggression.

Quote: Stauffenberg

Create a government of Ukraine in exile and actively seek the overthrow of the current cannibalistic regime

Yeah. Remember the Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine. What are you doing? Our dear Ukrainian partners! Well, another knife in the back. First time or something.

Quote: Stauffenberg

Otherwise, we need to throw off our regime. The time for jokes is over

Don't rock the boat. Russian Guard. And you want Maidan in the Russian Federation?

[Stauffenberg]

The Salvation Committee were or are, I don’t know, only political bankrupts. But there are other people. They must be used.

And what does the Maidan have to do with it? I'm sick of these boat spells. This can justify everything. And the Zakharchenoks and the Ulyukaevs. There are other ways

[Rostislav]

From the outskirts, provocations against Russia are only intensifying. They just go out of their way to risk a scandal.
With this development of events, sooner or later the insolent people will have to be put in their place. The West will receive a reason for attacks and they will try to maximize the “unjustified aggression” on the part of Russia, but the reputational losses may be even greater if they constantly silently tolerate the antics of presumptuous insolent people.

[Rostislav]

Quote: T_T

And Europe considers this territory Ukrainian and our ships fly there illegally.

Our ships fly there absolutely legally, since Crimea is part of Russia. And the fact that Europe thinks it has something for itself... Let it continue to think so.
But they won’t tell us what to do.

[Retvizan]

Quote: Rostislav

Quote: T_T

And Europe considers this territory Ukrainian and our ships fly there illegally.

Our ships fly there absolutely legally, since Crimea is part of Russia. And the fact that Europe thinks it has something for itself... Let it continue to think so.
But they won’t tell us what to do.

The point is how it will be interpreted.
Ukraine - we conduct shooting on our territory! (Crimea de jure Ukraine)
RF ---Ukraine committed an act of aggression on Crimea (de facto Crimea - RF)
Europe/USA/world - de jure Ukraine is right. De facto, the Russian Federation attacked Ukraine..

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Retvizan

Europe/USA/world - de jure Ukraine is right. De facto, the Russian Federation attacked Ukraine.

Are you repeating the fabrications of three clowns from TV-Kovtun, Zhovnerenko and Karasev? Well, how long will you live with your head fooled by a saucepan?
De jure, Ukraine, after something was adopted in the Rada, essentially renounced the fact that it is a sovereign country.
So now, whether you like it or not, this is a set of territories that do not constitute a state - even the heir of Shukhevych’s kat told you this in plain text.

[perm23]

Good logic. Then. Ukraine is simply sending the national guard and police into Crimea. De jure it is their territory. What should we do? De facto washed away. . Because otherwise there will be aggression by Russia against Ukraine. The Russian army attacked the Ukrainian police. .

[ser-pov]

How much strength is there to provoke the Russian Federation... For the SBU.you and.diots

[a housewife]

As a completely non-military person, I want to understand - where are they going to shoot? Are there any points planned for this? or are there targets? Well, not in Crimea? Where do they want to send the missiles? Not even that. Where can they send them?

[Dekabrist]

You are not a military man, but you think correctly. Obviously, you have not yet been drafted into the armchair troops. But don't relax. Their losses are heavy, and their service is difficult.

[Simpsonian]

then you should go to Belavia or Boryspil, or you can here

[svp67]

Quote: housewife

As a completely non-military person, I want to understand - where are they going to shoot? Are there any points planned for this? or are there targets? Well, not in Crimea? Where do they want to send the missiles? Not even that. Where can they send them?

Here, most likely, they either shoot at the maximum range, in a square, or they indicate these zones with a reserve, the so-called safety zones, where the missile, in theory, should not fly, but it can, for various reasons, including due to technical malfunctions of the system management

[Siberian]

Rospotrebnadzor and the tax service can resolve the issue - it is enough to close the chocolate factory in Lipetsk until their heads cool down.

[perm23]

Also a problem. We encourage investors to invest in our economy. And here it is on you.

[Sealek]

The junkie is clearly on the verge of... that "sparrows will walk all over the shit."

Kyiv, November 25. /TASS/.
Ukraine does not plan to carry out missile tests in the Kerch Strait.
Thus, the Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) Alexander Turchynov commented on the statement of the Federal Air Transport Agency of the Russian Federation about "violation of Russian airspace by the Ukrainian side during missile testing".

Thus, Turchinov questioned the jurisdiction of Crimea within the Russian Federation.

According to him, "in accordance with all international agreements, the sovereign airspace of the Russian Federation in the Black Sea ends in the middle of the Kerch Strait". “Ukraine does not plan to carry out missile tests in this area. The entire remaining territory west of the Kerch Strait is the sovereign airspace of Ukraine.", - noted Turchinov.

[Simpsonian]

Perhaps then we need to “explain” to this pastor that - no.
After all, there is still safety of flights and the population.

[behemot]

Turchinov can speak, write, calculate anything. Question jurisdiction and so on.

[Retvizan]

Quote: SeAlek

According to him, “in accordance with all international agreements, the sovereign airspace of the Russian Federation in the Black Sea ends in the middle of the Kerch Strait.” “Ukraine does not plan to carry out missile tests in this area. The entire remaining territory west of the Kerch Strait is the sovereign airspace of Ukraine,” Turchynov noted.

and he's right. Even the agreement on the Sea of ​​Azov is valid.
De jure he is right. Internationally recognized de jure borders are in effect. Even under agreements with the Russian Federation.
We are talking only about de facto. And in reality the laws are slightly different.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

If the Treaty does not reflect the de facto situation, then it is an empty piece of paper. It is enough for the other side to declare that it does not want to comply with the conditions specified in this piece of paper. And no matter how the other side puffs out its cheeks, no matter how it shouts that our border is there, then who will she be allowed there? Or will Kiev send its squadron led by “Hetman Sagaidachny” to the western part of the Kerch Strait? International law is the right of the strong to pull the tail of the weaker, that’s all!

[alexmach]

Quote: alexneg

This is just one option.

And what is the essence of this option? Are you proposing to smuggle this device to the Odessa region?

[Retvizan]

Quote: alexmach

Quote: alexneg

This is just one option.

And what is the essence of this option? Are you proposing to smuggle this device to the Odessa region?

I missed the moment (even though I scrolled and couldn’t find it) what are you planning to smuggle to us? We already have everything (well, except for some brains and money)

[wolfa75]

It is necessary to suppress the air defense points of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in advance.

[Zhnec]

If the GDP silently swallows this, then I, and in general all Crimeans, will be very disappointed in it.

[perm23]

He’s a Crimean and he still hasn’t changed the flag.

[GOGENATOR]

He has already discredited himself a long time ago.

[behemot]

Quietly liquidate the degenerate Turchinov, the rest of the crooks will think twice. We've forgotten how. The KGB could. The mongrels yap while the black-ass godfather looms behind them. crests are shit, not people.

[demotivator]

Quote: Rom14

We are for peace! And what can’t you endure for the sake of a dream... Donbass is an example of this.

Yeah, for peace. This is probably why the Russian Foreign Ministry is silent, only the Ministry of Defense sends timid protests. First, when the Ukrainians kidnapped two of our citizens in front of armed Russian fighters, now about possible missile attacks on our territory. And the Ukrainian side acts exactly like that cat near the sour cream - first it touches it with its paw, if you don’t hit the paw, it licks it with its tongue, and then eats all the sour cream. Was there nothing for the kidnapping of military personnel from Russian territory? Did not have! Well, let's start testing our missiles in Russian airspace. Maybe it'll take a ride. They will start bombing Simferopol like Donetsk. What difference does it make to them, in general, if nothing comes in response? We need to take an example from other countries. Look at what Turkey did after a Russian bomber entered its airspace for 10 seconds. It is possible to conduct exercises in this area to detect and intercept the latest Ukrainian missiles in an environment as close as possible to combat. And of course, these exercises must include the mandatory destruction of detected enemy launchers. And at the same time the rest of the military installations in the specified zone. How could it be otherwise if Russian territory came under fire? This would be the response of the Ministry of Defense. And the fact that the world community and the non-state Ukraine consider this territory not entirely Russian is already a matter of diplomacy. The military is not supposed to know about this. For them, everything is simpler: there is a threat of missile attack on Russian territory - there is a response with all forces and means. There should be enough strength and resources.

[Blondy]

Why is Kozhugetych flying around - such exercises for the S-300-400 will be lost, so many targets - and everything is on the ball. Or, in general, you can send a reply to headquarters. - And nothing will happen for this.

[ARES623]

Quote: Blondy

such exercises for the S-300-400 will be lost, how many targets - and all on the ball

Most likely this is exactly what will happen. By the time the exercises begin, everything capable of observing the situation, reliably recording it and crushing it with electronic warfare means will be concentrated in these areas. Much has been said previously about our achievements in this area, and here is the situation to demonstrate the true state of these advertised products. I think that not only the Military District is worried about Crimea, I believe that in our High Command there are “very honest and modest people who carry out their duties carefully...”

[Vodila]

I don’t understand our warriors! Why not shoot down their missiles over our territory? Or do we only know how to shake our tongues?

[Skifotavr]

Russia should not disgrace itself, but officially declare that the destruction of a Russian civilian or military aircraft will be regarded as a declaration of war. Then the junta will quickly sober up.

[Retvizan]

Quote: Skifotavr

Russian civilian or military aircraft will be regarded as a declaration of war.

So Ukraine warns about the need to close (physically it cannot, for obvious reasons)
does it according to the rules
what did the above-mentioned planes do - if the zone is closed to flights? They violated it, it turns out.
It will not be possible to make Ukraine an “aggressor”, except perhaps only in its own media (they have long been only for domestic consumption) in the eyes of the world.

Quote: Skifotavr

Then the junta will quickly sober up.

where is the junta? I saw only a legally recognized government, including the Russian Federation and dear partners and the best choice of the Ukrainian people and the Russian investor.

[Skifotavr]

[quote] It won’t be possible to make Ukraine an “aggressor” [quote] I’ll repeat it for those especially gifted: if the Ukrainians shoot down at least something in the airspace of Crimea, then they themselves will become the next no-fly zone. Maybe the United States is trying to achieve this, but what is not yet dead will finally die. [quote] where is the junta? [quote] In the Khazar Kaganate

[kuz363]

“when the Ukrainian side conducted missile firing in the airspace of Crimea during its Ukrainian jurisdiction,” Actually, as they wrote, the exercises were carried out not by Ukraine, but by the Russian Black Sea Fleet. And the Ukrainian air defense of Crimea was subordinate to him at the time of the exercises.

[tilovaykrisa]

Quote: Evil543

These after all can shoot. Will this be regarded as an act of aggression and a declaration of war?

They will definitely shoot, they are going to carry it out over the territory of the Crimea, which they consider theirs, this is nothing more than an air blockade of the Crimea, in 2004 they shot down our Siberian Airlines carcass and then Boeing did not even apologize and also switched the arrows, so they will shoot, they have no understanding of what the consequences will be .

[Retvizan]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

in 2004 they shot down our Siberian Airlines carcass and didn’t even apologize

In accordance with the Agreement on the Settlement of Claims, signed by Russia and Ukraine on December 26, 2003, the Ukrainian government transferred $7 to pay the relatives of the deceased Russian passengers. Payment of compensation was carried out ex gratia, that is, without recognition of legal liability
Vladimir Rushailo stated that, according to the analysis of the plane's wreckage and holes, the anti-aircraft missile exploded 15 m above the plane. The Minister of Defense of Ukraine, at a conference in Kyiv, apologized to the families and friends of those killed in the crash of the Russian Tu-154 aircraft: “We know that we are involved in the tragedy, although its causes have not yet been fully established.”
Boeing Malaysia is not for us. I can apologize for the war in our state, but we did not shoot it down (this is the official position of my state and the Dutch commission). Our fault is not closing the VP.

[a housewife]

This is how the Minister of Defense of Ukraine apologized - I didn’t hear it. But I heard how Kuchma said that it is not worth making a tragedy because of an ordinary incident. For them, a plane with people is not a tragedy! Just like the people who died in Novorossiya are not a tragedy! And everyone who justifies them is the same non-humans as the rest of the scum in Kyiv. They would sooner end!

[kartalovkolya]

It looks like the Kiev junta has achieved what it wanted: well, it’s just a waterfall of discussions and all sorts of reasoning and analysis, but everything is much simpler and it lies in the fact that they are once again trying to test us “for strength”! There is no need to be hysterical and panic, everything that needs to be done has already been done or is being prepared... Let's give the right to deal with this issue to our military-political leadership!

[perm23]

It's clear . But we have the right to express our opinion. Especially when there are interesting interlocutors.

[Hungary]

That’s great. Let them carry it out.

[demotivator]

Quote: Blondy

Why is Kozhugetych flying around - such exercises for the S-300-400 will be lost, so many targets - and everything is on the ball.

Yes, he has no time - he irons empty Syrian sheds with “Calibers”. And what’s going on under your nose is not interesting.

[Retvizan]

Ukraine - Crimea is ours (de jure) we want to conduct shooting!
Peace (tired) - well, go ahead.
RF-Crimea is ours (de facto), they will shoot at airplanes and in general at our territory. We don't allow it!
World (interested) - which territory? Here is a piece of paper - some kind of resolution, Crimea is Ukraine, the Russian Federation is an occupier - and everyone agreed.
Russian Federation, but Crimea is still ours, we can shoot at Ukraine and in general this is a danger for planes, people can die.
Mir-Palnut is an aggression, for the danger Ukraine warned about closing the zones. What is the problem?
Russian Federation - the problem is that they are on our territory!
World - which one is yours? Here is a piece of paper, here are the borders that you also recognized, here are the resolutions...
Ukraine (from the corner) - or we may not shoot... today... but tomorrow we will shoot... or even in a week, every day.
RF - I'll shoot you!
Peace (tiredly) - hey you there! You've got me already! Palnete in Ukraine - there will be sanctions, but you and your “palnete” have already fed everyone up..
Ukraine - well, I really want to shoot, there are a couple of rackets here...
RF - I'll shoot you!
World - Hey you there, on the periphery! Your little men there have already fired at our Boeing. So we’re already covering your mutual squabbles.
USA - so does anyone here want sanctions?
RF - no no, he doesn’t want to!
Ukraine wants, wants (laughs into a fist) they are strengthening it!
EU (tiredly) - how did they get me.....
USA (busily) I have things to do. If anyone wants sanctions, please contact us! Oh yes, Ukraine - you behaved wrong there - you won’t get a loan!
Ukraine - can you shoot?
USA - yes go kh kh do what you want!
Ukraine - that's okay
RF-uh, what about me?
USA - what about you? Well, hang in there and have fun!

[corporal]

Well done Retvizan! So us, always mumbling something about concerns and expressing concern.

[a housewife]

And if Crimea is de jure Ukrainian, and Ukraine shoots at it - that is, de jure on its territory and de facto the population suffers, then how will your play go? Both de jure and de facto?

[Cat man null]

Quote: housewife

a housewife

- your nickname... in color

Quote: housewife

if Crimea is de jure Ukrainian, and Ukraine shoots at it - that is, de jure on its territory and de facto the population will suffer

Now let’s read carefully what Ukraine is actually going to do:

... the danger zone is established ... at all heights with the capture of airspace over the open sea in the area of ​​responsibility of the Russian Federation

- that is - ordinary tests, the Great Ukrainians have already trained like this a hundred hundred times
- the missile is either anti-aircraft (and the target is in the air, respectively), or not anti-aircraft, and then it falls into the sea
- something tells me that the missile is an anti-aircraft missile (patamushta somehow I haven’t heard of “danger zones” being declared at sea)
- in any case, we are not talking about land (and, accordingly, the territory of Crimea) as a goal...
- everything seems simple, no?

But all you need to do is read the article and turn on your head

[a housewife]

Actually, it’s in the retvizan’s play that the Russian Federation and Ukraine shoot at each other. This time. Why doesn't anyone like my nickname? At least he's truthful. That's two. And be polite - I don’t seem to have offended you in any way. That's three.

[Evil 55]

We will never be brothers... And that means punching us in the face regularly, not letting us into taverns, not letting us go abroad, and to exercise appropriate control...

[mikh-korsakov]

Once again, our people are shamefully mumbling, reporting that Ukraine is violating some kind of rule, but it doesn’t give a damn about the rules when it comes to Russia. They killed our border guards - they got away with it, they detained Russian soldiers in the neutral zone - they got away with it, now they decided to shoot over Crimea - and this will get away with it. The question arises. when Turkey shot down our plane, they were roughly punished, and nothing came to their attention. Why can't the Ukrainian leadership be punished?

[prohorov]

Recently there was a report that the newest US drone, flying from Italy from an altitude of 13 km, was carrying out aerial reconnaissance in the Crimea region. In the event of a violation of Russian airspace by Ukrainian missiles, it would be logical to strike first at the customer, for example, at concentrations of American military specialists with high-precision missiles (caliber). The same goes for Ukrainian missile launchers and military leaders. This lesson from provocateurs will be sobering.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Cat Man Null,
I dare say that the SB of the Russian Federation is, to put it mildly, not a competitor to Western banks. It won’t hold up against the opposite! Those few Western banks that want to be present in Ukraine have been there for a long time! And who would dare refuse them? They also operate through subsidiary banks. However, for some reason Western banks are not very eager to finance the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, everyone is looking around. This is understandable, because there are no people like Gref there.

[Scharnhorst]

Tell us about the priorities of international law in Israel, you will get a lot of frankness. All law resulted in examples from the history of international conflicts. It is high time for the underdeveloped to feel the eternal right of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth”!

[Gost171]

Insanity is strong and our tanks are fast and our pilots are full of courage.....