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"Stupidity or treason?"

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"Stupidity or treason?"

World War I was the most vivid example of how Russia was used to the advantage of the masters of the West. Romanovskaya Russia allowed the use of Russian soldiers as “cannon fodder”, stirring the public with “hurray-patriotic” slogans of the march on Berlin and Vienna. Although such campaigns did not give any benefit to the Russian people, only harm and colossal losses.


The patriotic excitement of 1914 of the year quickly subsided when Russian troops washed up with blood in East Prussia. Over and over again, Russian troops rushed to the Austro-German positions, saving France from a decisive defeat, enabling France and England to transfer the economy, population and rear to "war rails", to carry out total mobilization. It is thanks to us that the German corps did not take Paris in the 1914 year, the Anglo-French troops in the 1915-1916 did not shred. We defeated the Ottoman army in the Transcaucasus, when the Allies were defeated on the Dardanelles and in Iraq, which eventually allowed our "allies" to divide Turkey, but without us. At the same time, the Romanovs' empire became the “cash cow” of our “partners” in the Entente, sending them hundreds of tons of gold to buy tools, rifles, machine guns, shells, cartridges, various equipment and materials. At the same time, Petersburg got into huge debts to support the financial system.

The Russian Empire, having a backward industry and a peripheral raw materials economy, could not provide the army with everything necessary. This resulted in the “shell, cartridge and rifle hunger” 1914-1915. And the “allies” banally “threw” us, took the money, and supplies slowed down (at the same time they made plans to destroy the autocracy and dismember Russia). The army did not have enough heavy guns, we quickly began to give way to the number of airplanes (before the war we were among the leaders, but there was no industrial capacity for large-scale production), we could not create the first armored units, unlike the Allies in the Entente. The warring country did not have enough railways, highways to supply the army and the city.

Army in 1914-1916 she washed herself with blood, saving the allies, and sustaining losses due to command errors and weak industry. The daily losses of the Russian army during individual attacks reached thousands of dead. The cadre of the imperial Russian army, the former pillar of the autocracy, almost completely fell on the battlefields. As Peter Durnovo, the former Minister of Internal Affairs of Russia, wrote right before the war: “... the army, which, besides, lost its most reliable cadre staff during the war, embraced in the most part by a spontaneously common peasant desire for land, would be too demoralized to serve as a bulwark of law and order. "

Under the gun put millions of peasants. They will be separated from the land, from peaceful concerns, but they will remember the great injustice and desire to redistribute the land. A huge mass of people will be accustomed to arms, murder and rape. In this case, the Russian peasant will fight for goals he does not understand. At the same time, retired personnel officers will be replaced mostly by formerly intellectuals in the mass of liberal-minded students, teachers, doctors, lawyers, representatives of creative professions, etc. The army itself will become a source of chaos, ready to explode when the time comes.

The peasant world, deprived of millions of workers, and because of the growing problems in the economy, began to live even worse. The workers found themselves in a similar position, some improvements in the pre-war years had to be forgotten. Russia, following the majority of other belligerent countries, is beginning to feel more and more a shortage of food and essential goods. In the Russian provinces in mid-July, the first food ration cards were introduced in 1916, it was decided to distribute sugar among them. In connection with the reduction of production, difficulties appeared with the supply of the population in the provinces and cities. By the fall of 1915, three-quarters of the cities experienced a need for certain food products.

Since 1915, state intervention in the food supply has been episodic, since 1916, bread harvesting for the population has been included in the government assignment. If at the beginning of the war it was necessary to feed an ever increasing army (6,5 million people - end of 1914, 11,7 million people - 1915, 14,4 million - 1916 and 15,1 million - 1917), Since 1915, the state has had to assume the support of the civilian population of a number of cities and, in part, of the provinces.

29 November (12 December) 1916, the manager of the Ministry of Agriculture, Alexander Rittikh, signed a decree “On the development of grain breads and fodder purchased for defense-related needs”. The essence of the distribution was that the Chairman of the Special Meeting distributed between the provinces (in accordance with the size of the crop, stocks and consumption standards) the amount of bread to be harvested. Not surprisingly, in the fall of 1916, the spontaneous movements of the workers strengthened in the empire, and the soldiers began to support them. Which ultimately led to the February Revolution.

Also consider the factor of millions of refugees. In Russia in 1914-1915 according to various data, from 3,7 to 7,4 million people (on average, more than 20% of the population of provinces occupied by Germany and Austria-Hungary) were forced to leave their homes and households, their homes. In the summer of 1915, the retreating Russian army often used the scorched-earth tactics — burning villages, crops, and supplies, destroying what they did not have time to take out. The General Headquarters of the Supreme Commander ordered the local population not to remain on ashes, but also to leave. At the same time there was no clear evacuation plan outside major cities. Huge crowds of hungry, ragged people moved to the east - on their own, on carts, often mingling with the troops.

A wave of refugees has intensified the destabilization of the empire. Writer Konstantin Paustovsky in August 1915 of the year, being in a village in the Minsk province, described what was happening around him: “Refugees are worrying, mostly embittered, inert, all too wild mass. Because of the bread they fight to the blood with each other. If there is not enough food or there is any misunderstanding, they can kill. Everywhere robbery, arson. Every morning we find around the hut abandoned corpses of cholera - there is not a single refugee furman who is not infected. Corpses lightly covered with sand. The stench is unbearable.

In the summer of 1915, it was decided to send flows of immigrants not only to the nearest rear provinces - Livonia, Vitebsk, Minsk, Kiev, Yekaterinoslav (as it was before), but also to the "internal gubernias" of the empire in order to relieve the front-line district from the "excess population". So the problems of the refugees fell like snow on the heads of the governors and zemstvos of Central Russia, the European North, the Volga region, the Urals. Refugees even appeared in Siberia and Turkestan. The relations of ordinary residents of the majority of “internal” cities with refugees were also not simple. At first, many really tried to help disinterestedly - provided free rooms in their homes, fed, shared things. But then the refugees began to see more often either “competitors” who were willing to work for less money and who were hitting salaries, or “parasites” (most of the settlers were old people, children and the sick), and even “crooks”. Refugees often starved, stole, arbitrarily chopped wood for firewood, etc.

In addition, some did not even know the Russian language and traditions, which made it difficult to establish contacts with local residents. A large flow of refugees came from the Caucasus, where Armenians and Assyrians fled from the Turkish genocide. Armenians made up more than 10% of all refugees, in some provinces - up to 13%, only about half a million people. The First World War led to the actual abolition of the Pale. In view of the extraordinary circumstances of the war and the occupation of areas of which for more than 120 years the Jews were not allowed to relocate deep into Russia, the restrictions (except for Moscow and St. Petersburg with the environs) were lifted. Jews made up 10-15% of all refugees. Thus, the wave of refugees contributed to the creation of a revolutionary situation in the country.

The situation has worsened in the national suburbs. Thus, in July 1916, martial law was introduced in the Turkestan district of the Russian Empire to combat the insurrection that had begun, caused by the authorities' decision to call for labor logistical work of local residents who were not subject to conscription.

25 June 1916, Tsar Nicholas II signed a decree on the mobilization of the male "alien" population of Turkestan and the Steppe region from the age of 19 to 43 years for front-line work. Mobilized peasants from the central provinces for digging trenches was not enough. Kazakhs, Kirghiz, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Turkmen responded with a general uprising: the decree was deliberately in the midst of agricultural work and on the eve of the holy month of Ramadan for Muslims, which, of course, was perceived particularly offensively. In addition, the ground for the uprising was already prepared by the burden of war. The indigenous population had to bear new duties: mandatory deliveries of meat, mass requisition of cattle, and fodder were introduced for the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz. A new military tax was imposed on the tent, as well as travel and other charges. Uzbeks and Tajiks were forced to grow "strategic" and very labor-intensive cotton, taxes on them also increased several times. This led in some areas to a fall in yields and a decrease in livestock numbers. At the same time, the fire of the uprising was fanned by the Russian revolutionaries, Turkish and German agents. They spread rumors about the Gazavat announced by the Sultan against the infidels, about the alleged successes of the Ottoman army at the front and the imminent appearance of Turkish troops in Turkestan, about the alleged performance of China against Russia. The base of the enemy agents was China. From Xinjiang to Central Asia, even delivered weapons.

During the uprising and during its suppression, tens of thousands of people were killed - both local residents and Russian immigrants. Tens of thousands of nomads fled to neighboring China. Turkestan could not completely calm down (it exploded again after the 1917 revolution of the year) for more than a quarter of a century. The last "basmachs" were eliminated by the Red Army in the years of the next world war. As a result, the 1916 uprising of the year became one of the forerunners of the coming collapse of the empire, and the national question will become one of the gravediggers of the Romanov empire.

Public opinion was already ready for a revolution. In Russia, conversations about a speedy revolution, which foreign diplomats are already beginning to discuss, are becoming commonplace. On October 8, the French ambassador to Russia, Maurice Palaeolog, referring to his source in the security department of the Police Department, wrote in his diary: “The leaders of the [revolutionary] movement are the three State Duma Trudovik deputies: Cheidze, Skobelev and Kerensky. A very strong influence also acts from abroad, and the influence of Lenin, who took refuge in Switzerland. ” Thus, information about the leaders of the future revolution was not a secret. However, the security organs were paralyzed, inactive, while the februaryists (liberal bourgeois leaders) were preparing to overthrow the autocracy.

The socio-political and labor movement has intensified. So, on October 16 a citywide political strike began in Rostov-on-Don. For almost ten days, almost all enterprises and university students went on strike at the same time, the usual life of the city stopped. The strikers issued slogans: “Down with the war!”, “Down with the government!”, “Long live the revolution!” In the fall of 1916, workers of almost all the main Don mines working for the front period were on strike - there were about 70 strikes in total.


Almost simultaneously, there were two major disasters of their time, which became “signs” of a future disaster. October 20, 1916 in Sevastopol on one of the most modern Russian ships fleet (commissioned only in 1915), the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet battleship "Empress Maria" there was an explosion of a powder cellar. After a series of new explosions, the ship died. It is still unknown what happened: whether it was a diversion or just a tragic accident (As the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet battleship "Empress Maria" died).

The 26 of October in the port of Arkhangelsk, during unloading, exploded the steamer “Baron Drizen”, which arrived from Great Britain with a cargo of metals, vehicles and ammunition, including asphyxiation and explosives. At the time of the disaster, 1600 tons of cargo remained in its holds. It was one of the largest stories non-nuclear explosions and one of the worst disasters of the First World War (One of the greatest catastrophes of the Great War). As a result of the tragedy, hundreds of people died. When studying the causes of the tragedy, investigators concluded that it was a diversion, but they did not find the ends.

Russia is in turmoil. October 29 1916 began the strike of most of the factories of Petrograd. The striking nature with which the workers left the enterprises and the absence of any clear requirements gave the strike a special character. It is believed that in most cases these were spontaneous performances in the wake of discontent from the shortage of products and price increases, sometimes turning into pogroms of shops and stores. The strikes continued until November 2 and went down in history as the October Strikes, which became the forerunners of the February revolution. Tens of thousands of people participated.

October 31 in the area of ​​the automobile factory "Louis Renault", an event unprecedented until then - the soldiers went over to the side of the protesters, opening fire on the police. First, a crowd of strikers approached the plant and began to demand from the workers of Louis Renault to join the strike (the workers of the factory belonging to the French refused to participate in the strike). When engineers and factory directors came out to the crowd, stones flew at them, revolving shots rang out. One engineer and three French directors were badly injured. The police arrived at the scene, but few law enforcement officers were powerless in front of thousands of people. Then, the 181 Infantry Reserve Regiment, whose barracks were nearby, was sent to the aid of law enforcement officers. However, instead of “calming the mob”, the soldiers joined her and opened fire on the police and gendarmes. Only the arrival of four Cossack regiments "restored order" on the street: part of the workers and soldiers were scattered, partly killed and detained. However, the subsequent arrests of the rebels provoked a new wave of strikes.

The French ambassador to Russia, Maurice Paleologue, wrote these days in his diary: “The people are suffering and angry. The ministers are openly accused of supporting hunger in order to cause unrest and to have an excuse for reprisals against socialist organizations ... they repeat everywhere that "this cannot continue." The Bolsheviks or “extremists” are worried, they organize meetings in the barracks, they declare that “the great day of the proletariat is nearing.”

It is worth noting that the British and French diplomats themselves did not stand apart from the revolution. They actively stirred up the Februaryists, held meetings with them, set up the aristocracy accordingly. As a result, the top of the empire itself will destroy autocracy, stirring up civil unrest, sabotaging the supply of the capital, and worsening the military’s ability to eliminate unrest. At the same time, the security organs and the police as a whole were paralyzed and were unable to eliminate the antimonarchist plot in a preventive manner.

On November 9 in Petrograd, 150 soldiers of the 181 Infantry Reserve Regiment were shot, which October 31 supported the workers and fired at the police while suppressing a strike at the Louis Renault factory. In response, the workers of Petrograd announced a new strike, which continued until November 13 (old style - until October October). To suppress the workers ’performance, the commander of the Petrograd Military District, Sergey Khabalov, 31 and 9, November, ordered the closure of 10 large enterprises in Petrograd for“ indefinite time ”. In addition, about 15 thousand workers who took the most active part in the demonstrations were laid off from the factories. However, this only aggravated the situation, and the strike was expanded under purely political slogans. Demonstrators demanded the release of detained workers and soldiers, as well as sailors of the Baltic Fleet, arrested for participating in an underground revolutionary organization. The strike reached its peak (up to 40 thousand people participated in it). Frightened by the scale of the strike movement, the authorities were forced to save the lives of the arrested sailors and 90 November was allowed to resume the work of previously closed enterprises.

Unrest occurred in other cities. November 18 in Samara, unrest occurred in the urban market, which grew into the mayhem of trade shops and stores. The unrest was triggered by a sharp rise in prices for food, kerosene and other essential goods, moreover, the main part in them was taken by women. When suppressing unrest, the police used a weapon, several women were killed and injured. Samara workers soon sent a protest note to the State Duma: “We, organized workers in Samara, in the strongest terms, protest against this kind of reprisals against the food crisis brought to extremes. We are protesting against the policy of the execution of our wives. "

Liberal circles began their offensive on power. On November 14 in Petrograd, at a meeting of the State Duma, the leader of the cadet party, Pavel Milyukov, made a famous speech (“Stupidity or treason?”), In which he directly accused Prime Minister B. V. Sturmer and the Empress of preparing a separate peace with Germany. It was immediately banned by the censorship to the press and publicity, but the very next day it was sold out across Petrograd.

From Milyukov’s speech: “... We have lost faith in the fact that this power can lead us to victory, because with respect to this power, both the attempts of correction and the attempts of improvement that we undertook here have not been successful. ... When, with ever more persistence, the Duma reminds that it is necessary to organize the rear for a successful struggle, and the authorities continue to repeat that to organize means to organize a revolution, and consciously prefers chaos and disorganization — what is this, stupidity or betrayal? ... We have many, many separate reasons to be dissatisfied with the government. ... And all private reasons boil down to this one: the inability and malice of a given composition of the government. This is our main evil, a victory over which will be equivalent to winning the entire campaign ... ".

The Council of Ministers discussed the possibility of the dissolution of the State Duma and the arrest of Milyukov. However, none of the ministers, with the exception of Interior Minister A. D. Protopopov, did not want to take it up. As a result, the proposal was not implemented. Thus, the tsarist government at the most decisive moment, when the fate of the empire was decided and decisive actions could lead to the defeat of the fevralists, took an “ostrich position”. The government was known for certain the work of many public figures and members of the Duma in preparing the coup. As a result, the inaction of the tsarist government (apparently, the betrayal of some ministers) at the most crucial moment will be one of the main reasons for the victory of the February revolution.

Moreover, the supreme power also once again showed weakness. On November 23, the chairman of the Council of Ministers, Boris Stürmer, was dismissed in the Russian Empire. Tsar Nicholas II was forced to take this step after the scandalous speech in the Duma of the Cadet Party leader Pavel Milyukov, who directly accused Sturmer and the Empress of complicity with Germany. The work of the Sturner in the government annoyed almost the whole of society, including some members of the royal family, as well as representatives of the Allies of the Entente, as he persistently defended the interests of Russia. As a result, Nikolai de facto confirmed Milyukov’s words about “treason”. Alexander Trepov was appointed new chairman of the Council of Ministers, who previously held the post of Minister of Railways and Communications.

The weakness of the supreme power, the government, which at the most dangerous time made concessions to the liberal-bourgeois part of society, having arranged the so-called ministerial leapfrog, will contribute to the fall of the Romanov empire.
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  1. Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 25 November 2016 05: 59
    +9
    "Stupidity or treason?"

    Revolutionary propaganda ...
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 November 2016 06: 08
      +23
      The patriotic excitement of 1914 quickly subsided when Russian waxes washed with blood in East Prussia. Russian troops rushed to Austro-German positions over and over again,


      I have always considered and still consider drawing RUSSIA into the 1st World War a grave crime against its own people.

      There were no serious reasons for RUSSIA to participate in this collective slaughter.
      Countries such as the United States, who skimmed the cream from the deaths of millions of people, won from this war.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 25 November 2016 06: 17
        +4
        Pulling Russia into the Second World War too ...

        Well, I could give a telegram to France and England so that they would not go into the slaughter and beat her alone

        claims to Kaiser Wilhelm, he kind of pulled her in there declaring war on her ...
        Well, to those Freemasons who had previously sent a tuberculosis to Sarajevo and then, from the principle, they all were poisoned through their newspaper barking ...
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 25 November 2016 06: 55
          +13
          claims to Kaiser Wilhelm, he kind of pulled her in there declaring war on her ...


          And you even what ... that means if a dull-headed crowd nearby destroys everything with crowbars, then we too should urgently fly there to get our portion of star wars.

          I explain William was forced to declare war on RUSSIA after her mobilization activities ...
          although Kaiser delayed this decision to the last ... why did it take NIKOLAI 2 to provoke the Germans ...
          an answer for the sake of the Franks and Anglo-Saxons whose interests clearly did not coincide with the interests of the Russian people ... they divorced the tsarist government of RUSSIA as suckers.
          Here is my understanding of this situation.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 00
            +13
            Was William forced? You still say that he did not want war! Or maybe there was no Pan-German Union? as well as increased military spending?
            https://topwar.ru/8533-germaniya-na-puti-k-pervoy
            -mirovoy-voyne.html
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 16
              +5
              Here are Bismarck's most famous quotes about Russia:

              Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.

              Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly supporting you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

              Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of the main power of Russia. Russians, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, will just as quickly reunite with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.

              It’s easier to defeat ten French armies, he said, than to understand the difference between perfect and imperfect verbs.

              It’s worth playing with Russians either honestly or not at all.

              Preventive war against Russia - suicide due to fear of death.

              Presumably: If you want to build socialism, choose a country that is not a pity.

              “The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”
              Of course, the great Chancellor of Germany did not describe today, but it is difficult to refuse sagacity. The EU must stand on the borders with Russia. By any means. This is an important part of the strategy. No wonder the United States so painfully took these desperate throwings of the Ukrainian leadership. Brussels entered this first significant geopolitical battle.

              Never plot against Russia, because it will respond to each of your tricks with its unpredictable stupidity.


              Kaiser was far from being a fool to open a second front behind him ...

              then there was a good reason.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 24
                +3
                ... what, become a fool?

                they usually think that the smartest ...
              2. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 34
                +11
                Did the Kaiser always listen to Bismarck? And they never had a dispute. lol
                You have an original approach. Tell me, is it only Kaiser's Germany that evokes sympathy for you, or do people in black uniforms with two "zippers" in their buttonhole too?
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                2. Same lech
                  Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 44
                  +12
                  You have an original approach. Tell me, is it only Kaiser's Germany that evokes sympathy for you, or do people in black uniforms with two "zippers" in their buttonhole too?


                  I have such an approach to them ... led out of the gate and to the wall.



                  But this does not prevent me from having my opinion on the history of tsarist RUSSIA. Excuse me that it does not coincide with your views.
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 08: 30
                    +10
                    Everyone has the right to error. As well as the right to persist in one’s delusions .. hi
                    1. Same lech
                      Same lech 25 November 2016 08: 47
                      +6
                      Everyone has the right to error. As well as the right to persist in one's delusions .. hi


                      smile hi Mutually ... let’s take it as a draw so far as in a chess tournament Carlsen Karjakin ... your forecast for grand masters? smile
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 09: 28
                        +9
                        According to the grandmasters ... It is difficult to predict - by skill they are clearly equal. Personally, I think that here endurance will decide the outcome of the tournament - the winner is the one who maintains clarity of mind and does not succumb to the inevitable excitement in such cases.
                3. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 33
                  +3
                  and then Bismarck saw enough of the airships, airplanes and other toys, and began to abandon his words at the expense of Russia and the Balkans ...

                  then the battleship with mediocre feces was named after him, though he didn’t get into his pocket already, but he was already dealing with the cruisers ...
                  one torpedo from a biplane was enough to form a whole cemetery of "Pommeran grenadiers" ...
                  smart was the captain, then the corporal came ... lol
                  cooks children ...
              3. vlad_vlad
                vlad_vlad 25 November 2016 23: 54
                +1
                The same LECHA Today, 07:16 ↑
                Here are Bismarck's most famous quotes about Russia:


                "I'm tired of refuting my quotes on the Internet" V. I. Lenin, from the Article "Bourgeois Internet and the machinations of the center-left"
                "Many blog sources ascribe different statements to me. Don't believe it. The truth is only on Wikipedia." Bismarck, 2nd volume. from "letters to a friend".
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 26 November 2016 10: 48
                  0
                  he (Comrade Blank) here sent even today a warning to me for rudeness addressed to him yes

                  just some kind of madhouse ... lol
            2. Tula gingerbread
              Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 10: 53
              +3
              The main contradictions in Germany were with France and England. It is unlikely that William wanted at the same time a war with Russia.
              But what would happen next if William dealt with France and England, this can only be guessed. He would attack Russia, America would enter the war, this is all from the realm of speculation.
              One thing is clear, Russia had to solve the war in the summer of the 16th year, when the Brusilov offensive began, and the commanders of the other two fronts refused to start the offensive, and after all a general offensive of all three fronts was planned.
              Further prolongation of the war led to a revolution.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 25 November 2016 12: 28
                +4
                I also think that the indecision of the Emperor, who could not force the front commanders in the summer of 1916, to fulfill the general offensive plan because of fear of failure and heavy losses, ultimately led to a protracted war and the collapse of the empire. The author correctly described the negative phenomena in the rear already in the 16th year, and Brusilov, who was even forced to introduce barrage detachments on his front, spoke about negative phenomena at the front and in particular desertion.
              2. antivirus
                antivirus 25 November 2016 15: 37
                0
                One thing is clear, Russia had to solve the war in the summer of the 16th year, when the Brusilov offensive began, and the commanders of the other two fronts refused to launch the offensive, and after all a general offensive of all three was planned
                the army did not win in 14-15, just because. I wanted to eat 2 rations longer?
                They immediately wanted to, but the Germans did not have a thin intestine!
                And the French also did not win 2 grams for 15 servings of meat?
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 25 November 2016 17: 50
                  +1
                  I'm talking about something else, that by the 16th year the "shell hunger" was more or less overcome and the army in general was ready for the offensive.
                  But the offensive was launched only by the South-Western Front of Brusilov, other fronts did not support him, as a result, the enemy pulled up reinforcements. regrouped and stopped the advance. The success, which could become strategic, as a result of the indecision of the king and the other two front commanders, became a private success.
                  Further known.
                  1. antivirus
                    antivirus 25 November 2016 21: 57
                    +1
                    others failed.
                    But I was not there and I have no right to speak?
                    If seriously, the result did not happen, only lice were caught 3,5 years
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 15
                      0
                      So am I about that.
            3. avt
              avt 25 November 2016 11: 10
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Was William forced? You still say that he did not want war!

              laughing Yes-ah! Sculpt from ,, cousin Willie "peacemaker wassat , this is already really bust. bully
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              Kaiser was far from being a fool to open a second front behind him ...

              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Did the Kaiser always listen to Bismarck? And they never had a dispute.

              By that time, all that was left of Bismarck in relation to Russia had actually been etched out surrounded by a cousin. There is no need to dissolve any glitches - it’s enough to ask WHO and WHICH formed the agenda of the Kaiser’s inner circle.
            4. Aleksander
              Aleksander 25 November 2016 14: 10
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              https://topwar.ru/8533-germaniya-na-puti-k-pervoy-mirovoy-voyne.ht
              ml


              Thank! By the way, an interesting article with which I fully agree and where everything is said with the exact opposite in relation to today's article.

              But it is interesting that it was written by THIS SAME AUTHOR_SSAMONA A!

              Curious about HOW you can mimic in just 5 years:

              "
              "Germany on the road to the First World War"
              November 18, 2011
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 06
            +6
            Why is it nearby? Explain to your party comrades ...

            Why was your beloved William forced to mobilize himself to declare war on Russia for partial mobilization?

            this is not your understanding, this is your germanophilic revolutionary propaganda
          3. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 10: 45
            +6
            A person writes nonsense, but you are commenting .....
            ... "Drawing Russia into the Second World War" - in one sentence, two illiterate statements - firstly not Russia, but the USSR, and secondly, the USSR did not get involved anywhere, it was attacked by Hitler's Germany.
          4. Dart2027
            Dart2027 25 November 2016 19: 13
            0
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            why did it take NIKOLAI 2 to provoke the Germans

            Because he received information that the Germans began the mobilization. In general, a provocation involving senior traitors.
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 25 November 2016 07: 02
          +1
          Quote: Simpsonian
          those freemasons who had previously sent tuberculosis to Sarajevo

          There are rumors that during the assassination of the Archduke, a certain "American" Lev Davidovich Bronstein was drinking coffee in a nearby street.
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 11
            +5
            there was no one to work at all ...

            assassination of the archduke and his wife

            the tuberculosis dog then died with his death in the hospital a few years later because at the time of the commission of this crime he was a minor ...
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 25 November 2016 08: 32
              +2
              Quote: Simpsonian
              there was no one to work at all.

              You have an unsuccessful joke ... It's just that Leiba Davidovich, most likely, at that moment was playing the role of "overseer". World political cataclysms are carefully prepared, and Trotsky was an outstanding organizer.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 40
                +1
                guiding ... looking only on the same street
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 25 November 2016 19: 45
                +1
                somehow forgot about his wife
          2. Andrey Zh
            Andrey Zh 27 November 2016 12: 57
            +1
            Yes, yes, exactly so - the Jews stood behind all this! BOTH WORLD WARS WERE DISCONNECTED BY INTERNATIONAL ZIONISM!
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 06: 36
        +7
        Then you should indict William II, who decided to declare war on Russia.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 25 November 2016 06: 47
          +7
          My accusations will be to Nikolai the second who went on the path of provocateurs
          ... do not you see how cleverly he was led to a fight.

          ... read for educational program.


          On July 28, 1914, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia and on the same day began shelling Belgrade, but Russia did not rush things. The reaction followed only two days later, on July 31, when general mobilization was announced in the country. Germany in an ultimatum form demanded that Russia cancel the mobilization, which was refused.

          Source: Who tied Russia into the First World War?
          © Russian Seven russian7.ru
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 06: 50
            +9
            Yes, only your source "forgot" to say that Germany, together with us, also began mobilization. Well, the tsar had to leave the country defenseless, seeing the aggressive actions of the Germans? Yes, the Serbs had to be protected, otherwise Russia would have lost its authority among the major powers, and this was fraught with extremely serious problems for the country.
            1. novel66
              novel66 25 November 2016 09: 19
              +9
              even taking for granted the inevitability of war - the right word, one could wage it in a less idiotic way
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 25 November 2016 15: 42
                0
                as the majority of the population understood, the Army and the State were leading it.
                It is not fashionable to recall :::: "the level of development of productive forces and industrial relations", but these indicators are: the number of internal combustion engines per 1 ton of inhabitants, per 1t km of highway, the number of locomotives per 1 km of railway tracks. tons / km of transported goods per year, number of tons (poods) of steel / year, beef and lead and cotton in XX?
              2. Andrey Zh
                Andrey Zh 27 November 2016 12: 59
                +2
                ... there was no inevitability of war!
            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 25 November 2016 10: 15
              +5
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Yes, only your source "forgot" to say that Germany, together with us, also began mobilization. Well, the tsar had to leave the country defenseless, seeing the aggressive actions of the Germans?


              Most importantly, Austria Already spent mobilization to Russian and concentrated forces not only against Serbia, but also on the borders of Russia. And Austria-Hungary of those years was a huge and very strong state.

              There was no other way out for the emperor, but he warned Germany that mobilization was being conducted against A-Hungary.

              Let me remind you that the Emperor of Russia and its Foreign Ministry are the only ones who fought for peace to the last in that orgy, more than anyone. It was Russia that proposed to bring the dispute between Serbia and Austria to the Arbitration Court in The Hague. But nobody even answered.

              By the way, five years before in 1909, in the same situation, Russia managed to stop the world war.
            3. Zmicerz
              Zmicerz 25 November 2016 10: 31
              +3
              Well, the king had to leave the country defenseless, seeing the aggressive actions of the Germans?

              Exactly! It was necessary not to succumb to provocations, just as the sage of the sages Dzhugashvili, the light of the Soviet land, did it! Well, could civilized and peace-loving Germans attack Russia? They did not do this in 1941, and in 1914 they did not! laughing
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 06: 53
            +4
            the time will come - you will foresee, I can only disappoint right away that the decision will most likely not be in your favor ...

            and why are you the lawyer of William and the Sarajevo tuberculosis (and those who stood behind him) read out there? ... why didn’t your beloved Germany announce just mobilization too?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 05
              +10
              I don’t communicate with the pitchers ... I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft ... moderate your ambition. hi
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 10
                +4
                nobody would be with you ...

                try to make your own, you might like it ... ambition in translation is an honor

                look as if someone didn’t show you ...
                1. Diana Ilyina
                  Diana Ilyina 25 November 2016 09: 48
                  +18
                  Simpsonian Today, 07:10 ↑ New
                  nobody would be with you ...
                  try to make your own, you might like it ... ambition in translation is an honor
                  look as if someone didn’t show you ...
                  If you please be rude. Of course, I am not an angel either, especially with regard to my eternal opponents, but to go over to you, it's rude, nobody really drank brundershaft with you! In addition, your comments, as well as the comments of "Lieutenant Teterin" do not carry any semantic meaning, only spitting towards the USSR. Although it is hardly necessary to expect anything different from an unnamed person with the American flag over the ava. What a country, such are the people, in the sense of the country it is and the people are the same!
                  1. Lieutenant Teterin
                    Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 10: 24
                    +8
                    Oh ma'am, you remembered having deigned my humble person! Very flattered. repeat
                    1. Diana Ilyina
                      Diana Ilyina 25 November 2016 10: 31
                      +17
                      Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:24 ↑
                      Oh ma'am, you remembered having deigned my humble person! Very flattered. feel
                      Do not flatter yourself, I didn’t remember you with a kind word!
                      1. Lieutenant Teterin
                        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 10: 45
                        +8
                        So after all, I did not say anything about a kind word. Just noted the fact that you remembered about me in your comment. hi
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 25 November 2016 19: 50
                        +3
                        No one is deceived - there wasn’t any good at all ...
                  2. Tula gingerbread
                    Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 00
                    +7
                    Typical illiterate troll boor.
                    By substitute for knowledge, knowledge.
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 58
                      +1
                      I just usually don’t share them ... So break off.

                      Write more about yourself.
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 17
                        +1
                        And someone asked you to share rudeness? If hallucinations torment, consult a doctor.
                  3. novel66
                    novel66 25 November 2016 13: 16
                    +5
                    Diana, the flag above the avatar does not always correspond to the real location, here I am now in Holland, and I will come home to Russia, but I do not work in Holland, it just coincided (although, of course, being rude, hiding behind empty lines and a stupid avatar is not the case)
                    1. Tula gingerbread
                      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 13: 58
                      +3
                      For some, it is just the "business" not to comment on the article, but to be rude, replacing knowledge of the topic with rudeness.
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 03: 03
                        +1
                        Because the first comment was not even about the article, but about its title?
                        That's what the three of you are doing here right now ...

                        Again about Tsarist Russia and about Nicholas II,

                        again the same rubbish crawls out of almost the same "characters" ...
                  4. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 44
                    +4
                    No, I wrote the truth ...
                    do not impose on drinking companions
                    And where did I spit in the direction of the USSR? And how did you see them for yours towards Tsarist Russia, the Tsar personally and his children, woman?
                2. 1rl141
                  1rl141 25 November 2016 12: 05
                  +5
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  nobody would be with you ...

                  try to make your own, you might like it ... ambition in translation is an honor

                  look as if someone didn’t show you ...

                  Gonor easily turns into gonorrhea. Only 2 letters, but what's the difference!
                  And the fly should be cut ...
                  For those who do not know the joke.
                  Wild West. Saloon. A greyhound cowboy flies in, gets a colt. Bang! Bang!
                  - Whiskey to me!
                  Drinks, leaves. Following him the old cowboy says:
                  - Hey, they saw the fly ...
                  This continues for several days in a row. After the next advice to cut the fly, the greyhound cowboy asks the old one:
                  - Yes, you're tired! Why cut the fly?
                  - Someday the trunk will be inserted into the ass and cranked up.
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 25 November 2016 12: 31
                    +5
                    A good joke. And most importantly, on time and in the subject. good
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 45
                      +2
                      the main thing is for the "audience" ...
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 18
                        +1
                        Personally for you.
      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 25 November 2016 09: 50
        +7
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I have always considered and still believe that Russia’s involvement in 1 World War is the gravest crime against its own people. There were no serious reasons for RUSSIA to participate in this collective slaughter.


        So they did it in 1940: they looked from the side as the damned imperialists thrashed each other in France, Belgium, Holland and joyfully rubbed their hands. Then all the combined power of Germany and the resources of Europe descended on alone THE USSR.

        The opinion that the USSR was preparing for war looks stupid for this time: the USSR gained interest, and the power of Germany, which subjugated the whole of Europe, grew at times.

        Against this background, the policy of Emperor Nicholas II looks much wiser: the battle in East Prussia, he saved France and this left her in the direction of the main blow of the German machine for the whole war, saving millions of Russian lives
        The only reproach to the Emperor that he left too much freedom in Russia, and unlike France, Germany, England, did not introduce martial law.
        In these countries, all strikes, rallies, agitation were strictly forbidden, workers were equated to military personnel, at the slightest suspicion people were arrested preventively. The Tribunals and courts worked continuously, passing cruel sentences, the opposition agreed during the war not to criticize the government, and any violator was tried for the country.
        These mistakes were taken into account by Stalin, and all possible "fighters for peace" a la RSDLP he destroyed in the bud.
        1. sibirak10
          sibirak10 25 November 2016 11: 10
          +7
          Do you know that until August 1939, Stalin repeatedly proposed that Britain and France enter into an alliance against the Third Reich? And what came of it? And on this site there were articles about it.
          So we will not blame Stalin for political stupidity and shortsightedness.
          Moreover, the "wise policy of Nicholas II" led Russia after 4 years to conclude a separate peace with Germany and the loss of part of the territory, and "Stalin's stupid policy", after the same 4 years - to the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 25 November 2016 12: 35
            +4
            Stalin took into account all the mistakes made by the tsarist administration. Immediately the start of the Second World War was created by the GKO - State Defense Committee, which concentrated all the levers of power and authority. He was engaged in all matters of evacuation and mobilization and supply of the army and the population and the provision of industry and its transfer to military rails, and the production of weapons, food, etc.
            Therefore, the state structures of the USSR coped with their duties in the Second World War, but the state structures of the Republic of Ingushetia did not. What, as already said here, led to disastrous consequences.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 47
              +3
              he just shot your professional revolutionaries ...
              he was once millionaire so I understood what was happening ... yes
            2. antivirus
              antivirus 25 November 2016 22: 04
              +2
              NOT STALIN, AND 10 OR 30 THOUSAND OR 500 THOUSANDS OF PERSONS FROM ZHUKOV AND MALINOVSKY TO MY GREAT PRESIDENT (1885-1945) AND MADE BACK TO MYSELF AND FOR MOTHERLAND
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 21
                +2
                Of course I agree. Did the leadership of the country, which was headed by Stalin, and the leadership of the Red Army take into account. Only your expression is not clear - "to spite myself".
                For the Motherland it cannot - "in spite of itself."
                Maybe more precisely - not sparing himself.
                1. antivirus
                  antivirus 27 November 2016 09: 59
                  0
                  versus personal gain for border control
              2. Andrey Zh
                Andrey Zh 27 November 2016 13: 06
                +2
                WHAT IS - "HURT YOURSELF" ????????????????????????????????? FOR THE HOMELAND OUR ANCESTORS Fought with you, FOR THE HOMELAND !!! AND NO THERE IS NICK AND THROUGH EVIL! (Yes, we also had some of our relatives, but grandfather and uncle, without a doubt, went to the front, and did not return, alas ...)
            3. Hapfri
              Hapfri 26 November 2016 18: 47
              0
              Therefore, the state structures of the USSR coped with their duties in the Second World War, but the state structures of the Republic of Ingushetia did not.

              It was only at the head of the Defense Committee that Stalin met on October 41st at the station, thinking about whether or not to scrub him at Kuibyshev. And mining the Bolshoi Theater. And if there were such a revolutionary gang, such as a Bolshevik, then everything would end like in the 17th.
              Calendars Not Marked
              October XNUMXth
              But Muscovites that day are hardly
              They were up to the calendar.

              Everything was overestimated strictly
              The bestial law was like a knife.
              Looking for bread on the road
              And the books were not worth a penny.

              I wanted to live, I wanted to cry,
              I wanted to win the war.
              And they forgot Pasternak,
              How to forget the silence.

              Trying to get out of the mud
              Went in polished glory
              Wrecked Cars
              On all non-western highways.

              It seemed that the avalanche was evil
              Will sweep away Moscow and the world then.
              And abroad, freezing,
              Praying at the Moscow Kremlin

              The whole thing is that Stalin had the rigidity to shoot several tens of thousands of his friends of the Bolsheviks. The remaining mutilkins hid. There was no one to buzz in the rear
              1. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 26 November 2016 18: 53
                +2
                Quote: Hupfri
                And if such a revolutionary gang were found

                Your gang was not found, all died in 1937.
                The runners were, yes, their fate is not enviable, were yours ahead of everyone?
                1. Hapfri
                  Hapfri 26 November 2016 21: 16
                  0
                  Your gang was not found, all died in 1937.

                  That was your gang. You have communism
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 26 November 2016 21: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Hupfri
                    That was your gang. You have communism

                    No.
                    It was precisely your gang, from the Trotskyists, to the underspring among mimicrants from whites.
                    Here they then unscrewed their heads.
                    And you, in turn, will have to experience for yourself what it is to work against the country, how they are responsible for it.
                    1. Hapfri
                      Hapfri 28 November 2016 00: 28
                      0
                      It was your gang, from the Trotskyists

                      Trotskyists, Chekists, as well as right and left deviators - they are all yours, for they are members of the CPSU. And the fact that they twisted each other's tails is the internal affair of your party. Your party is now a party of marginals, neither new ideas, nor new people.
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 25 November 2016 21: 20
            +3
            Quote: sibiryak10
            Do you know that up to August 1939, Stalin repeatedly offered Britain and France to conclude an alliance against the Third Reich? And what came of it?


            Nothing succeeded . And to blame, of course all around, yes. But the Emperor, it turned out. The result is a saved country.
            Quote: sibiryak10
            Moreover, the "wise policy of Nicholas II" led Russia after 4 years to conclude a separate peace with Germany and the loss of part of the territory, and "Stalin's stupid policy", after the same 4 years - to the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag


            Something with the story you have something ...

            Wise policy The emperor led to the defeat of the German-Austrian-Turkish occupiers.

            The transfer of a third of European Russia was made not by the Emperor, not by the Russian Republic, but by national traitors (by Putin’s definition) the Bolsheviks, half of their lives in Russia, who did not even live and stayed abroad during the attack on their homeland.

            By the way, nobody chose them anywhere and didn’t charge them to sign anything.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 23
              +2
              In fact, the agreement with France was signed by Alexander the Third, and not Nikolai. He did not save anyone, but is the direct culprit of the death of the Russian Empire.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 26 November 2016 19: 02
                0
                not Nikolai. He did not save anyone, but is the direct culprit of the death of the Russian Empire.

                The rebellion in the rear of a warring country was raised by the Bolsheviks. The Bolsheviks signed the Grocery Brest Peace and Nikolai is to blame
        2. Hapfri
          Hapfri 25 November 2016 21: 00
          +2

          Against this background, the policy of Emperor Nicholas II looks much wiser: by fighting in East Prussia he saved France and thereby left her in the direction of the main blow of the German machine throughout the war, saving millions of Russian lives

          100500+
      4. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 17: 56
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Countries such as the United States, who skimmed the cream from the deaths of millions of people, won from this war.

        Refuting this, remind me of this ..
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 25 November 2016 19: 31
          +1
          There is nothing to refute here, so everything is obvious.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 26 November 2016 18: 57
            +1
            Here is an assessment of the Brest Peace by Richard Pipes, a consistent anti-Soviet and currently a member of the American Committee for Peace in the Caucasus:
            “Having perspicaciously gone to the humiliating world, which gave him the necessary time to win, and then collapsed under the influence of his own gravity, Lenin earned the wide confidence of the Bolsheviks. When they tore the Brest Peace on November 13, 1918, after which Germany surrendered to the Western allies, Lenin's authority was exalted to an unprecedented height in the Bolshevik movement. Nothing better served his reputation as a man who made no political mistakes; "he never again had to threaten to resign to insist on his own."
            https://cont.ws/post/441817
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    2. ava09
      ava09 25 November 2016 06: 45
      +12
      Quote: Simpsonian
      "Stupidity or treason?"

      Personal stupidity of an individual, causing personal harm - just stupidity. The stupidity of persons exposed to power in the field of public administration, that is, affecting the fate of millions, is definitely a grave CRIME. And your departure from the topic, in the form of fantasies (maybe even without soil ones) on the topic of various types of crime, is harmful verbiage ... One blessing, you apparently do not directly affect the life of the majority.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 25 November 2016 06: 54
        +3
        I can greatly influence if you are interrogated, only who said that people like you are the majority?
        1. novel66
          novel66 25 November 2016 09: 22
          +8
          simpsonian (login here!) your position is generally unclear, except for splatter in all directions, there is little useful information from you, and rudeness is not proof of anything
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 25 November 2016 12: 36
            +1
            There is no position there.
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 49
            +3
            Quote: novel xnumx
            except for spray in all directions

            But what else can one remarkable animal from Krylov’s fable see?
        2. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 15
          +4
          Elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation. The liberals did not even gain 1 percent, the monarchist party did not participate in the elections, for lack of even minimal support in society.
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 51
            +3
            elections, elections, candidates - ...
            such issues are generally resolved in referenda.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 25 November 2016 19: 40
              0
              What questions? Creating a monarchist party? Or admission to the Duma of the liberals? Dear election, this is a vote, a referendum on confidence.
              The people have not shown you confidence, and parties are not created in referenda.
              Organize, create a party, win elections and further according to the law.
              And then all someone and you should do everything. This is a sweet word for free.
              As for the referendum, who does not give you? Create an initiative group, register, collect signatures for the referendum you need.
              No one will do this for you.
              Only you do not have support in society, therefore, nothing happens. Losers.
              There is another word, but I will not unnerve the moderator. lol
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 25 November 2016 20: 42
                +3
                elections are when they choose someone ... if this is of course elections and not someone else's circus.

                he looks like yours, he sent greetings for the unscrupulous word "hapon" lol

                in normal countries, parties are generally banned
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 27
                  0
                  Well, I'm glad that you recognized, Germany, France, USA, England, these are abnormal countries. And I still doubted it, now thanks to you doubts have been dispelled.
                  Glitches again? I did not write the word "hapon". But it's good that you remember him.
        3. ava09
          ava09 26 November 2016 01: 03
          +1
          If I understand correctly, are you threatening me and at the same time trying to be rude? In vain, in my comment there is nothing that could cause a surge of uncontrolled emotions, re-read, maybe you will understand the meaning ... If you are inadequate, I apologize - I'm afraid, suddenly turn me into a frog ...)
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 42
            +2
            you misunderstood ... re-read your "comments" yourself more often, maybe when you will become adequate without it
            1. ava09
              ava09 26 November 2016 08: 37
              +1
              It is not necessary for a unicellular to talk to me in such a tone ... And the honor, to address me on "you", must be earned.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 26 November 2016 10: 10
                +1
                better just wave your flag ...

                When was the last time in the Mausoleum?
                1. ava09
                  ava09 26 November 2016 10: 19
                  +1
                  I have one, and each time you are under a new one, but they all have one property - hostility. I won’t say for sure about the mausoleum, but I was a couple of times in childhood, and for what purpose are you interested in? It is still busy there, but if that, I’ll inform you first, maybe you will be in time ...)))
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 26 November 2016 10: 24
                    +1
                    mashi - mashi ...
                    1. ava09
                      ava09 26 November 2016 10: 50
                      +3
                      Thank God - I have a Flag, and you would be jealous without spraying saliva ...)
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 10: 59
                        +1
                        well done... yes
                  2. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 26 November 2016 11: 05
                    +1
                    ... for such a purpose - how many sortings still remain around your mausoleum,

                    visited at least one? managed? in place of the largest of them, now Kazan Cathedral stands again
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 29
                      0
                      Kazan Cathedral in Moscow? Cool. Perhaps with such "knowledge" you think that the White House is in New York?
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 16: 13
                        0
                        But is there no White House in Moscow?
                      2. Hapfri
                        Hapfri 26 November 2016 22: 41
                        0
                        Kazan Cathedral in Moscow

                        This is the name of St. Basil's Cathedral. Yes, you are a connoisseur of cathedrals, as I look
                    2. ava09
                      ava09 26 November 2016 15: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian Today, 11:05 ↑ New
                      ... for this purpose - how many grades still remained around your mausoleum, went into at least one? managed? in place of the largest of them, now Kazan Cathedral stands again

                      I thought you were an ideological shifter - a weirdo, yapping from behind a puddle, but here everything is literally a coprofile ... Come on, bye ...
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 16: 03
                        +2
                        you and thought? this is an oxymoron ... you only know how clumsy to be rude, a misunderstanding ...

                        you are "ulan" too ...

                        Kazan Cathedral (Moscow) - Wikipedia
                        wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazansky_Cathedral_(Moscow)
                        Coordinates: 55 ° 45′19 ″ s. w. 37 ° 37′09 ″ c. d. / 55.7554056 ° s. w. 37.6192528 ° in. d. / 55.7554056; 37.6192528. Cathedral of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God - Orthodox church in front of the mint on the corner of Red Square and Nikolskaya Street in Moscow. Chief ...
                        History · Soviet time ·Recreation · Architecture
                        ... later this place was occupied by a public toilet. The leadership of the Central Museum of Lenin suggested in the north-eastern corner of Red Square to build a hall for admission to pioneers [12].

                        your "mummy" has arranged all this around itself, please, smell your own ...
                      2. Hapfri
                        Hapfri 26 November 2016 22: 45
                        0
                        I thought you were an ideological shifter
                        Access to the mummy is closed, now they will arrange a skating rink there. And the girls in mini skirts will ride around the corpse under a fun little music.
                        Lenin deserved it
      2. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 11
        +7
        Listen, dear, what was the USSR supposed to do in the 1940s?
        Get involved in the war without having an alliance agreement with France and England?
        Forgot that the USSR proposed such an agreement, but England and France themselves refused it?
        So climb into the war at random, headlong and with unclear consequences, this is the height of recklessness.
        And I remind you that no one in the world assumed that the French would not defend their country, and with an equal balance of power, they would simply shamefully surrender the country.
        What are you right that Nicholas II, declaring martial law in the country, was simply obliged to temporarily dissolve the Duma before the end of hostilities and stop all revolutionary activity.
        In general, the state structures of the Republic of Ingushetia did not cope with their duties in the conditions of war.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 25 November 2016 18: 53
          +1
          may he not listen ...
          only counterintelligence failed
        2. Hapfri
          Hapfri 25 November 2016 19: 41
          +2
          Get involved in the war without having an alliance agreement with France and England?

          Well, the USSR got involved in the war in the 41st without a single ally. 40th from 41st differs in that by the 41st Hitler repaired the industrial capacities of Europe
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 25 November 2016 20: 45
            +4
            Yes, and after all, they didn’t even announce it to him ...
            so all this is a provocation, only a very big one, not even a conflict ...
            after Yugoslavia (!) and Bulgaria it was clear what would happen
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 31
            +1
            Boy, stop talking nonsense. You also say that in the 41st the USSR "got involved in the war" by attacking Germany.
            Where you only grow such illiterate individuals.
    3. Sagittarius2
      Sagittarius2 25 November 2016 08: 42
      +6
      the more you read such articles, the more you understand the whole criminal background of the Romanovs. This clan was not only against the Russian people, but even against the German Union. The Romanovs at that time were unequivocally Anglo-Saxons and defended only the interests of England, doing everything to restrain the development of Russia. Russian authorities was alien to Russia, it was parasites and enemies who corrupted the order from the inside of the country and constantly betraying the interests of Russia in the world.
      In general, it would be nice if one of the historians undertook the study of history from the position of Nikolai2-Georg5-one and the same person. I think the new side of Nikolai’s dark personality will be able to explain all the undisclosed sides of Russian history. What is Russia and who are the Romanovs, so that the urapatriots glorifying Peter or E2 would already understand the appointment of the Romanov-Germans on the throne of the Russian tsars and shut up forever.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 08: 50
        +8
        My dear friend, have you tried to address such theories on Ren-TV? I believe you will have a lot of success there.
        1. Sagittarius2
          Sagittarius2 25 November 2016 09: 21
          +4
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          My dear friend, have you tried to address such theories on Ren-TV? I believe you will have a lot of success there.


          Well, for those who, for various reasons, from dementia to a complete addiction to engagement, do not see ready-made and explained facts, they can continue to stagnate in the swamp of traditional history. By principle, he does not know and does not recognize.
          And I already have enough of the known facts of proof of the betrayal of the Romanovs and the struggle against the Russian people. It is a pity that we do not know the whole TRUE HISTORY, but so far it is clear that the Romanovs, who again go to Russia and try to please our people, NEVER SHOULD come to our power again country.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 12: 29
            +2
            Quote: Sagittarius2
            And I already have enough of the known facts of evidence of Roman betrayal and the struggle with the Russian people.

            Your opponent, Poruchik Teterin, in all seriousness and falling into a frenzied rage, is propagandizing in England the throne in Russia, so you won’t convince him that the Angles, as always, have acted and will continue to act against Russia.
        2. 97110
          97110 25 November 2016 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          I believe that you will find considerable success there.

          Ren has his own rubella and balamute. He will not share his airtime with anyone. Dear, this is a resource.
    4. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 17: 08
      +3
      If only "revolutionary propaganda" could destroy such a great power, then the conclusion is simple - this state was not viable.
      But the point here is different, you just very primitively judge the most complex and diverse processes that took place in the Russian Empire, which led to its collapse. And even simpler, you just do not take them into account, reducing everything to only "revolutionary propaganda".
  2. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 06: 43
    +11
    I wonder when the ardor of herr Samsonov will quench? The author writes with such enthusiasm about the unrest in the rear of the Russian Empire, about the strikes of workers, forgetting about the Easter uprising of 1916 in Ireland, about desertion and riots in the French troops of 1917 ...
    The author writes about shell and weapon hunger, forgetting that he had already been overcome by 1916, so much so that there were enough weapons for the entire Civil. After all, the Bolsheviks were not arming their Red Army with Martian weapons? This weapon was produced at the imperial factories during the WWII.
    A lot has already been said about the offensive in East Prussia, but the author repeats his barrel organ about the interests of France, forgetting that if it were not for the offensive, then after the defeat of France, the Germans would have fallen upon us with all their might. So in Prussia we fought for our interests too.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 25 November 2016 06: 57
      +5
      Martian, Martian ... do not argue with them,

      let the hungry sit ... then Musk will come for them all and take them there repeat
      meet
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 25 November 2016 06: 59
      +4
      I wonder who pays herr Smsonov for articles? or is he here on a voluntary basis?
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 02
        +9
        If it pays, then most likely the pro-German lobby. But I do not exclude enthusiasm, and it is not for nothing that the author so selflessly muddles historical Russia.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 25 November 2016 18: 33
        0
        Quote: Simpsonian
        I wonder who pays herr Smsonov for articles? or is he here on a voluntary basis?

        That's who pays / user / Simpsonian /, which is clearly not voluntary here ...
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 26 November 2016 10: 27
          +1
          What will be the ideas? Have you already reported on your sources of income?
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 26 November 2016 15: 41
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            Have you already reported on your sources of income?

            Go to profile ... I honestly introduced myself there. At the moment, it is no longer "in stock", but "retired". The difference, as a foreigner, you must understand.
            1. Hapfri
              Hapfri 26 November 2016 22: 52
              0
              ... At the moment, it is no longer "in stock", but "retired".

              It's your problems. There is nothing proud here.
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 27 November 2016 09: 50
                +2
                Quote: Hupfri
                There is nothing proud

                Scat!
                1. Hapfri
                  Hapfri 28 November 2016 00: 38
                  0
                  Scat!

                  I recommend hawthorn. If you take immediately a couple of bubbles will dramatically raise your mood.
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 07
      +6
      then after the defeat of France, the Germans would fall upon us with all their might. So in Prussia we fought for our interests too.

      The extra year of peace means the country doesn’t need ... let's get into every gag protecting the French ... but does it really need a Russian peasant? ... at least ask him.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 12
        +7
        We got the extra year of peace in 1940. Did it help us much on June 22, 1941? I say again - in East Prussia we did not defend the French so much as ourselves. Thanks to the East Prussian operation, the Anglo-French front withstood and three more years after that pulled over half of the German forces. So that it was completely clear: the local soldiers and guns fired at the French and English armies, and not at ours.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 21
          +3
          We got the extra year of peace in 1940. Did it help us much on June 22, 1941?

          And you can describe the state of the army of the Red Army at this time.
          Whether she was ready for a large-scale war ... a lot of questions and how the wheel of history would turn is not yet known given the anti-Soviet sentiment in the Western world.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 37
            +7
            And how would the wheel of history turn if the Red Army would help France in May 1940? Maybe there would have been no burnt cities and villages, millions of victims of our people, and the maniac Hitler would have been convicted much earlier?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 25 November 2016 07: 48
              +5
              And how would the wheel of history turn if the Red Army would help France in May 1940? Maybe there would have been no burnt cities and villages, millions of victims of our people, and the maniac Hitler would have been convicted much earlier?


              Everything can be ... let's shoot ADOLFA at once in a baby carriage, you look, and there would be no maniac ...
              again, Hitler's worldview was formed in the first world war ... from there he came with hatred towards Jews, communists, socialists already formed ... here are the consequences of this massacre ... she, like a chain, pulled a chain of subsequent events that eventually led to 2 World War II.
              1. Tula gingerbread
                Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 21
                +3
                Fortune-telling on the coffee grounds of Mr. Teterin is very funny. And what would happen ... And what would have happened if France and England in the 39th concluded an agreement "on counteraction to German aggression in Europe", which the USSR proposed to them and about which there were negotiations?
                What would happen if France and England, after Hitler attacked Poland, fulfilled their obligation by the Poles and not fed them empty promises?
                What would happen if the French began to fight as expected and defend their country as in the First World War?
                In general, all this with a pitchfork on the water.
            2. avt
              avt 25 November 2016 11: 19
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              And how would the wheel of history turn if the Red Army would help France in May 1940?

              laughing laughing No, well, really nonsense went feverish laughing What on ...
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Would the Red Army help France in May 1940?

              When Stalin requested that troops be allowed into Czechoslovakia to fulfill obligations under an interstate agreement, and Europe, together with France, blocked the passage through Poland, preferring to surrender Czechoslovakia to Hitler in a Munich agreement. No, well, in the 90s Zhirinovsky shouted at one rally - Russia was supposed to unite with Germany and gouge everyone in Europe. wassat This is yours exactly from the same series. Only earlier this was designed on beds in specialized hospital wards, but now in those wards since the 90s there is an open day and this is all a game of strategy. fool bully
            3. 97110
              97110 25 November 2016 14: 58
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Maybe there would be no burnt cities and villages, millions of victims of our people,

              Having met a united front in Germany, Japan, the USA, France and England, how would the USSR evade these victims? You do not see all the attempts of the Anglo-Saxons to organize a war between Germany and the USSR with their observational non-participation in hostilities? Let her greatness be straight all noble before Stalin. But the result of Stalin’s policy is participation in WWII as part of the coalition and on the side of the most powerful countries in the world. Turkey - a traditional enemy, a 100% pro-German country - did not attack. Japan - an ally of Germany, a real enemy who fought with the USSR in 1939 and earlier - did not attack. Do these facts disappear before your eyes in the rays of radiance of ego greatness? So were we happy when we met only Germany with allies but without France? With the non-participation of France, England and the USA? Would you handle it? In the year 1940? The Germans would not fight for living space - they would defend their homeland. They would sign a peace with the West as much as a run.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 25 November 2016 19: 46
                +3
                Having met a united front in Germany, Japan, the USA, France and England,

                These were powerful rapidly developing states, they had their own interests and there was no question of any united front.
                Turkey - a traditional enemy, a 100% pro-German country - did not attack. Japan - an ally of Germany, a real enemy who fought with the USSR in 1939 and earlier - did not attack

                Japan needed oil, which was only in the south, while Turkey was already a completely different state. Attaturk and the Bolsheviks were friends. So they did not attack.
                1. 97110
                  97110 26 November 2016 15: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Hupfri
                  These were powerful rapidly developing states, they had their own interests and there was no question of any united front.

                  Don’t you know Finland’s support in the winter war, right up to the preparation of the bombing of Baku by powerful rapidly developing states that had their own interests?
                  1. Hapfri
                    Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 02
                    0
                    Finland's support in the winter war, including the preparation of the bombing of Baku

                    Finland's support was reduced to the sale of a dozen aircraft and fifty cannons. The bombing of Baku? So these are just plans. Did the USSR have a "Thunderstorm" plan? Forgot? Do not know?
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 25 November 2016 12: 38
          +3
          It really helped. And if the French fought the same way as in 1914, it would help even more, the USSR generally got a chance, as the United States in 1918 to enter the war last and on favorable conditions. Alas, the paddling pools let us down. Turned in the country.
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 18
        +5
        What is an extra year? a couple of weeks from strength ... and then everything is much more complicated.
    4. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2016 07: 14
      +5
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      The author writes about shell and weapon hunger, forgetting that he had already been overcome by 1916

      By the time of overcoming shell hunger, the Kingdom of Poland, half of Belarus, Lithuania was lost.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 25 November 2016 07: 34
        +6
        when normal Germany began, I had to participate in creating the 2nd revolutionary situation, and so that the one who drank coffee in Sarajevo on the next street, takes Russia out of neither war nor peace, and surrenders grain Ukraine for a year ...
        all the same it didn’t work and fell to pieces from the entry into the war of some "cavboys" ... whom even the Indians had weighed 15 years before.
      2. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 07: 43
        +9
        Can I remind you how much territory was lost by the spring of 1942, when the production of the evacuated industry was re-launched? There was also a shortage of weapons then - Zhukov writes about this in his "Memoirs and Reflections".
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 25 November 2016 08: 28
          +2
          And you do not compare one war with another .. you compare how many territories France and Belgium lost in WWI and how many RI ... This will be a real comparison .. You are still the Greco-Persian wars, compare with the Napoleonic ...
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 25 November 2016 08: 52
            +7
            You can compare. And you can compare the length of the front and the density of troops per square kilometer of the front. And see the dynamics of the movement of the front line.
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 25 November 2016 11: 22
              +2
              You know, Napoleon in 1812, without railways, tanks, yeropalnov ... in 6 months I got to Moscow .. and came back .. where I came from .. And the Russian army for a year, also without tanks, cars reached the city of Paris. . And what will we compare with the WWII and WWII ..? .. Lieutenant You are simply doing demagogy ....
              And you can compare the length of the front and the density of troops per square kilometer of the front.
              ..And that in 1940 the density of troops, the length of the front line was less? how many days France occupied ..
            2. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 12: 45
              +3
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              You can compare


              Hahaha !!
              Well, of course you can, for example, how many countries of Western Envropy fought and give in to the crowds.
              On April 9, 1940, Germany invades Denmark, the Danish King Christian X is forced to sign surrender and orders the army to lay down their arms.
              On 9-10 April, Germans in Norway capture the main Norwegian ports of Oslo, Trondheim, Bergen, and Narvik. On April 14, Anglo-French troops landed near Narvik, on April 16 - in Namsus, on April 17 - in Ondalsnes. On April 19, the Allies launched an offensive on Trondheim, but failed and in early May forced to withdraw their forces from Central Norway. On June 10, 1940, the last units of the Norwegian army capitulated. Norway ends up under German occupation administration (Reich Commissariat)
              On May 10, 1940, Germany, through 135 divisions, invaded Belgium, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. On May 15, the Dutch government surrenders.
              Brussels fell on May 17, and on May 28 Belgium surrenders contrary to the demands of the Allies.
              On June 22, in Compiegne, in the same car in which the surrender of Germany was signed in 1918, a Franco-German truce was signed, according to which France agrees to occupy most of its territory, demobilize almost the entire land army and intern the navy and aviation. In the free zone, as a result of the July 10 coup, an authoritarian regime of Peten (Vichy regime) is established, which has set its course for close cooperation with Germany (collaboration). Despite the military power of France, the defeat of this country was so sudden and complete that it did not lend itself to any rational explanation.
              Zdorovski fought Western Europe, in two months everything fell under Hitler, having surrendered all his armies, weapons, surrendered ALL.
              September 1, Hitler attacked Poland, September 17, Poland as a state ceased to exist, again surrendered everything, surrendered all weapons, surrendered the country.
              Total, Hitler with little blood, put in a lobster pose all of Europe, forcing her to plow on the Reich.
              That's how the warriors of Europe fought ...
              http://interpolit.ru/blog/kak_evropa_gitlera_grom
              ila_francija / 2015-04-05-4794
              So what are you telling tales about when applied to the USSR?
              He compares .. well, it’s necessary .. still some English battle for a couple of palms and a source, it remains to be cited as an epic of military art of the West, so that it would become clear who fought like that ...
              The German historian S. Haffer writes: “... in 1940-1942, in almost all the captured countries, especially in France, there was a wide readiness to recover from defeat and dutifully join the German“ new order ”in Europe. In 1940, fascism everywhere had its supporters, and the huge impression of Germany’s lightning victories did its job. ” The French, Belgians, Danes and others believed in the invincibility of Germany and hoped that for the services they would render to the Germans, they would be able to get out of the war with the least losses. They don’t like to remember this today in Europe. But the word cannot be erased from the “song”.

              Documents of the Third Reich indicate that after the attack on the USSR in Western Europe and many European colonies, anti-Soviet hysteria began. In France, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg and other countries, tens of thousands of people besieged German commandant's offices with a request to allow them to join the Wehrmacht and go to fight against the USSR. A similar picture was in the territory under the control of the Vichy regime in France itself and in the French colonies of North and West Africa and the Middle East. These volunteers for the most part became part of various formations of the SS troops. In 1939-1945, about one and a half million people from all over Europe entered the Wehrmacht. Most of them were employed in the rear structures and military commandant's offices in the occupied territories, but some were part of the combat units. According to the German historian C. Pfeffer, “most of the volunteers from Western Europe went to the Eastern Front only because they saw this as a common task for the whole West”.
              http://xn--b1adccaencl0bewna2a.xn--p1ai/index.php
              / articles / 42-articles / 1211-kak-vsya-evropa-rabota
              la-na-vermaht
              The result is obtained, in Europe, in particular in France, on the side of Resistance 1, and against in the parts of the VICHI and Hitler-4 formations, the ratio is indicative ... 1 to 4.
              Would be silent already ..
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 25 November 2016 19: 56
                +4
                Most of them were employed in the rear structures and military commandant's offices in the occupied territories, but some were part of the combat units.

                That's right. A million Soviet citizens fought on the side of Hitler. That was the price of brainless domestic politics. Million enemies hating the collective farm system
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 35
                  0
                  Enumerations. Who and where. If even foreign authors give the number of ROA in only 50 thousand people, then where is the million? And even out of these 50, only at the very end of the war was only one division formed, which spent only a week on the front. You are not Russian.
                  1. Hapfri
                    Hapfri 28 November 2016 00: 49
                    0
                    only at the very end of the war was only one division formed, which spent only a week on the front. You are not Russian.

                    Three divisions. Plus the air unit. Plus an officer school. This is just what was under Vlasov.
                    And the Cossack units. 15th SS Panvitsa corps. Plus separate national "legions". Plus police battalions, 80. Plus hivi. Have you mastered the fate of a person at school? That was hivi. In every division there were such, with every commandant's office. So a million is a conservative estimate. Being Russian does not mean shouting Glory to the CPSU at all corners as you do. By the way, did you write a denunciation against me? Looks like you ...
            3. 97110
              97110 25 November 2016 15: 08
              +2
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              density of troops per square kilometer of front.

              For a kilometer of the front - I see. On the square - the question is - what depth should be considered for calculating the area? And with a curve of the front line, how to calculate the area? Complicating something, your wander.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 25 November 2016 15: 10
                0
                Quote: 97110
                For a kilometer of the front - I see. On the square - the question is - what depth should be considered for calculating the area?

                - good +++++++

                Quote: 97110
                And with a curve of the front line, how to calculate the area?

                is the integral? laughing

                Quote: 97110
                Complicating something

                - Yes, he’s a military man to the very marrow of bones, what’s incomprehensible here?
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 25 November 2016 09: 13
            +2
            loss of the most developed territories (75% of coal in Lodz, 25-Donbas) Therefore, in the Second World War and after it, they built + Kuzbass + Ural
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 25 November 2016 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          And to remind you how much territory was lost by the spring of 1942

          Well, if you want to refresh YOUR memory by rummaging through the trash of the Internet, then please ...
          Only here from a sick head to a healthy toss the bonnet is not worth it. From June 1941 to the spring of 1942, the USSR fought against a united Europe and Finland (minus Serbia), therefore the results were more catastrophic than by 1916. In 1812, troops of a united Europe, led by Napoleon 1, even occupied Moscow after 2,5 months.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          The lack of weapons then was also-

          Name at least one major war in the 20th century that lacked the "lack of weapons" factor.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 25 November 2016 20: 00
            +1
            From June 1941 to the spring of 1942, the USSR fought against a united Europe and Finland (minus Serbia),

            Interestingly, in what battles on the territory of the USSR did the armies of France, Ireland, Sweden or Denmark take part, for example? And not in any. As your vegetarian friend likes to say - You're lying.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 37
              0
              They do not lie, And you are a young man shamefully illiterate. Read two books by Western authors - "Foreign formations in the Wehrmacht" and "Foreign formations in the SS", instead of retelling illiterate gossip.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 28 November 2016 01: 01
                0
                ... Read two books by Western authors - "Foreign formations in the Wehrmacht

                And you read the list of SS divisions. There are two divisions of volunteers there, and even then not from every country. From France - one division. From Spain alone.
                The French army is 100 divisions. And where is the army of "united Europe"?
                This is a myth, zilch, the chatter of collective farm agitators, necessary to explain their own failures. Connoisseur. Buy a calculator and learn how to logically rethink what you read.
        3. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 12: 57
          +5
          Mr. liar, recall.
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          how much territory was lost by the spring of 1942

          Your myths are easily beaten by realities.
          For example, your myth that, they say, RI by the end of hostilities, retreated slightly, and stood on the Baranavichy-Riga line. And for some reason you take this end to mid-October 17.
          As if after this, the Germans stopped attacking and began on the line of demarcation with the Russian army.
          So, I want to note to you that this lying myth is quite easily refuted by a person who knows the facts and history of that time.
          I note that for some reason, leaders like you sharply forget about the territory of the Kingdom of Poland, which was lost during the summer months of 15, and covers an area of ​​127 thousand km². Plus the incompetently lost West Belorussian and West Ukrainian (Little Russian) provinces.
          Which, if suddenly, put their occupied area on the USSR map of 1941, they completely reach Moscow and even further it.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 25 November 2016 20: 04
            +3
            Which, if suddenly, put their occupied area on the USSR map of 1941, they completely reach Moscow and even further it.

            Of course, especially if this is the area of ​​the rope, which you can wrap the Earth three times, and which you can be tied so that you do not write nonsense
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 39
              0
              That is, you have nothing to object to. Great.
              Stubbornness worthy of Svidomo ukrov, sat in a puddle and shouts from there - I do not believe. lol
      3. Hapfri
        Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 08
        +1
        By the time of overcoming shell hunger, the Kingdom of Poland, half of Belarus, Lithuania was lost.

        In the 41st, Hitler traveled a third of the distance to Moscow in a week. Minsk fell on the fifth day. And the shell hunger was such that all ammunition depots and powder factories were left to the Germans, and then they called for pyroxylin from America. His was no longer any. These commanders replaced the tsarist generals
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 26 November 2016 23: 13
          0
          Quote: Hupfri
          In the 41st Hitler in a week passed a third of the distance to Moscow

          So what?
          In 1945 in May, Hitler died, and his body was burned in a pit like a lousy dog.
          What did he want to say, a lying troll?
    5. novel66
      novel66 25 November 2016 09: 23
      +5
      to put Samsonov’s entire army — what's the interest?
    6. Aleksander
      Aleksander 25 November 2016 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      So in Prussia we fought for our interests too.


      We fought there in the first place for your interests.

      And Samson's "incited", played off ", incited" look generally childish lol
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 12: 53
        +3
        Quote: Aleksander
        We fought there precisely and primarily for our interests.

        Oh how .. well, yes, yes, maybe we recall the fortress of Novogeorgievskaya, with "fought"?
        Maybe we can count how many prisoners and how they were taken prisoner, in World War 1? The result will be clearly furious ... keep it out of the "interests" ..http: //www.universalin
        ternetlibrary.ru/book/26762/ogl.shtml
        The first myth, which he intensively disseminates through central channels, that the de Russian imperial army lost in the WWII, irretrievably, only 700 thousand people and not a soldier more.
        I don’t know where he got such data from, but I guess it’s from Golovin, but it’s there, it sounds a little different. The number of prisoners of war and missing persons is 3638271, if we subtract from it a reliable number of prisoners, which according to various sources varies from 2 to 400, that is, according to Golovin, according to clearly underestimated data, this number is from 000 to 3 people are missing. Of these, reliably by Golovin’s calculations, according to the statistics of the French army, 911 thousand people are “unknown” killed according to the CSB table, and it turns out where he got the figure for 100 thousand killed, forgetting to clarify that this number is only for one graph from the missing , and nothing more.
        The total number of Russian soldiers and officers captured during the WWII was also very impressive.
        According to the Central College of Prisoners of War and Refugees (Central Clearing House), it amounted to 3 people, of which:
        2 were held captive in Germany, 385 in Austria-Hungary, 441 in Turkey and 1 in Bulgaria.
        In turn, from the beginning of the war to September 1, 1917, the Russian army captured 159 German, 390 Austro-Hungarian, 1 Turkish and 736 Bulgarian troops.
        As we can see, the results of the hostilities against the German troops are not at all encouraging: for every captured German there are almost 10 Russians in German captivity.
        http://deni-didro.livejournal.com/89287.html
    7. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 November 2016 10: 19
      +7
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      So in Prussia we fought for our interests too.

      We in Prussia had no interests. It would be better to strengthen the border.
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 November 2016 12: 58
        +4
        indeed, strategic defense as a way of maintaining a database on the German front is fully justified
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 25 November 2016 20: 07
        +4
        We had no interests in Prussia.

        Do you have it now? How so? Prussia is a strategically important point. This is the road to the heart of Germany
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 November 2016 20: 31
          +4
          Quote: Hupfri
          Do you have it now?

          Take a look at the residents of Kaliningrad.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 25 November 2016 22: 37
            +3
            Take a look at the residents of Kaliningrad.

            It is not without reason that this piece of Germany was left to itself. With a long sight.
            The Iskanders dragged and the Germans and the British became more accommodating.
    8. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 25 November 2016 11: 00
      +5
      well, dear Mr. Poruchik Teterin, you again fantasize, the Russian army has always had shell shortage, like a shortage of guns! Russian army in the first world war ...
      maxpark.com ›Military history› content / 717997 "And now you can estimate for yourself how many months (with a need of 4 million 415 thousand shells per month) 18 million 657 thousand shells produced and purchased in 1917 were enough The result is 4,2 months! Exactly the same result was in the memorable, shell-hungry year 1915. I remind you that there, at the rate of 3 million shells per month, the Russian army received all the shells for the entire 1915 year 12 million. 555 thousand shells The situation repeated itself again!
      Well, to complete the consideration of the "shell issue" let us summarize the main results of the written:
      1. Russian artillery throughout the First World War was not fully provided (according to spending standards) with shells. This led to the fact that, due to chronic shortage of shells, the army was forced to abandon successful offensive operations and switch to premature defense, defend with heavy losses for itself in the infantry, and also suffer defeats where the enemy had an advantage in artillery .
      2. The mobilization reserves of shells at the beginning of the war proved to be extremely insufficient. They were quickly depleted, while the industry was unable to compensate for the rapidly decreasing size of these stocks in time, which led to shell hunger.
      3. At the beginning of the war, the Russian army had practically no heavy artillery and only by 1916 the situation began to improve. At the same time, 3/4 of the large caliber shells came from the Allies. This is due to the fact that most large-caliber guns had to be bought abroad.
      4. The production capabilities of the Russian artillery factories (especially at the beginning of the war) were extremely unsatisfactory. For example, as a result of ill-conceived mobilization by the start of the war, only two factories (Zlatoust and Izhevsk) were ready to supply 3-inch shells with a monthly production of 25 thousand shells each, but only 50 thousand shells per month. And although, in the end, these factories were able to significantly increase their productivity (by several tens of times), their titanic efforts could not meet the army's requests for shells. "
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 12
        +1
        . The mobilization reserves for shells at the beginning of the war were extremely insufficient. They were quickly depleted, while the industry was unable to compensate for the rapidly decreasing size of these stocks in time, which led to shell hunger.

        The British had the same story. War. What to do....
    9. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 25
      +2
      Samsonov writes an article about Russia about her. It makes sense, only one truth has he written, has he voiced real facts and cited documents or has he written lies?
      If he wrote a lie, then just objectively object to him.
      If I wrote the truth, then everything else is emotion. Whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter.
      Since you were unable to object to the facts of the unrest and what happened in the rear of the Republic of Ingushetia, it means that the author told the truth and this was one of the reasons that led to the revolution and the fall of the Romanov dynasty.
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 13: 33
        +1
        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        If he wrote a lie, then just objectively object to him.
        If I wrote the truth, then everything else is emotion. Whether you like it or not, it doesn't matter.

        http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/26762
        /ogl.shtml
        Pochite.Mnogo interesting things, confirming the correctness of Samsonov and completely sweeping aside hallucinations on the themes of the "history" of lieutenants Teterins and Simposians with the Alexander.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 01
          +3
          Be sure to read.
    10. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 November 2016 00: 23
      +3
      "forgetting about the Easter Uprising of 1916 in Ireland, about desertion and riots in the French troops of 1917 ..." /////

      Dissatisfaction with the war, riots were throughout the participating countries, you are right. And as a result of the Great War 4 empires collapsed at once: Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, German and Russian.
      The uniqueness of the fall of the Russian, that only in it the extremists managed to stay at
      authorities. In other post-empires, radicals were removed from control.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 44
        0
        in Germany then - not for long ...
  3. knn54
    knn54 25 November 2016 07: 09
    +3
    In 1913, the descendants of the "unreasonable Khazars" privatized the printing press of dollars. And then measures were taken for the INDIVIDUAL domination of the dollar in the world.
  4. Cartalon
    Cartalon 25 November 2016 07: 48
    +6
    Mr. Samsonov pretty fed up, every day the same thing.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2016 08: 52
      +5
      Quote: Cartalon
      Mr. Samsonov pretty fed up, every day the same thing.

      You, however, also do not shine with the variety of thought forms on this subject.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 25 November 2016 09: 20
        +2
        I see no reason to discuss here, no one will kill anyone.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 25 November 2016 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: Cartalon
          09: 20_ "I see no reason to discuss here, ..."

          ... and if you look a little earlier?
          Quote: Cartalon
          07: 48_ "Mr. Samsonov is pretty fed up, every day the same thing"

          Conclusion: a clear split personality! Not Samsonov, by the way ...
      2. novel66
        novel66 25 November 2016 09: 25
        +8
        Mr. Samsonov tries to find answers and shares with others. if you don’t like it - why read?
        1. Serega86
          Serega86 25 November 2016 13: 39
          +4
          leads the usual propaganda of his communist ideas, to Kiselyov far, of course still
          "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true."
          therefore, we will see such articles more and more often and communist campaigns will copy-paste here)
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 13: 55
            +2
            Quote: Serega86
            "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true."

            That is, you, along with St. Witt, Hapfrey, Zmicerz dancing here, admit that you always and constantly lie?
            Your liberal propaganda, drunk with the poison of lies, why read them if there is not a grain of truth?
            The first and main step in drawing Russia into the war was the Russian-British convention of 1907. On the eve of the fateful agreement, German Chancellor Bernhard von Bülow prophetically wrote: "If the Russian Empire unites with Britain, this will mean the opening of a front directed against us, which in the near foreseeable future will lead to a large international military conflict."
            “Will Germany emerge victorious from this catastrophe?” Thought Bulov, “Alas, Germany is most likely to be defeated, and everything will end in the triumph of the revolution.” But even earlier, this tragic path will be destined to go to Russia.

            I note that we found smart people both on the left and on the right, who warned Nikolai against the adventure. Back in February 1914, a prominent statesman, former Minister of the Interior Pyotr Nikolayevich Durnovo submitted an extensive report to Nicholas II. (http://on-island.net/History/Durnovo.htm) Durnovo wrote that a purely defensive Franco-Russian alliance was useful: “France was secured by an alliance with Russia from the German attack, the latter with the tested peacefulness and friendship of Russia from aspirations to the revenge on the part of France, Russia is a necessity for Germany to maintain good neighborly relations with it - from excessive intrigues of Austria-Hungary in the Balkans. ”
            https://aftershock.news/?q=node/438875 Это то же агитка,коммунистическая-записка Дурново?
            1. Serega86
              Serega86 25 November 2016 15: 05
              +4
              uh, where are "my liberal" propaganda materials in your opinion?)) the author is trying to lead us to the idea that before 1914 Russia was not a great power with an independent policy, but acted "on orders" and only liberals of other factions are to blame for everything. they were not supported in the then thought

              “I, it seems, thought at that moment,” Milyukov subsequently admitted, “since a revolution is inevitable ... then we must try to take it into our own hands”
              1. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 17: 11
                +1
                Quote: Serega86
                only liberals are to blame for everything, as if there were no other factions that supported them in the then Duma

                It was the liberals who tore the throne from under Nicholas 2, along with part of the aristocracy, industrialists and merchants, are you going to deny this?
                Go to school, young man, study, read, educate, and then as not a comment, a set of letters and not a gram of thoughts.
          2. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 03
            +4
            Please indicate where in the article "communist propaganda".
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 25 November 2016 07: 49
    +3
    Maurice Paleolog, “The leaders of the [revolutionary] movement are three Trudovik deputies of the State Duma: Chkheidze, Skobelev and Kerensky. A very strong influence also acts from abroad, and the influence of Lenin
    .. The Empress wrote to Nicholas II - "Well, when will this Kerensky be hanged" .. Chkheidze admitted that there were many prominent Russian politicians and public figures in the Supreme Council of the "Great East", and three leftists - Chkhenkeli, Gegechkori and Skobelev, attracted to Freemasonry he personally. "In terms of composition, among the members of the Masonic lodges there were representatives of all the left, up to the progressists, there were not a single Octobrist," Chkheidze asserted. speeches, in which he almost openly called for revolution. Noting that in Russia there is "a picture of French life at the end of the 14th century," the Menshevik deputy, reproaching the liberal opposition for indecision, declared: "We know, gentlemen, how the bourgeoisie behaved at the end of the same 1917th century; the bourgeoisie was not engaged in words at one time ... it swept away governments ... ". Stressing further that "the street is already beginning to speak," Chkheidze expressed the hope that Russia was already taking a revolutionary path. Prominent right-wing publicist P.F. Bulatsel noted these days in his diary: "... If the government continues to follow in the footsteps of the French Girondins, humiliating and currying favor with the Duma bloc, we will live to the point that the" blockists "will be swept away by the more sincere and bolder Kerenskys, Chkheidze , Sukhanovs and Kº ... "
  6. Moore
    Moore 25 November 2016 08: 54
    +4
    Quote: The same Lech

    I explain William was forced to declare war on RUSSIA after her mobilization activities ...
    although Kaiser delayed this decision to the last ... why did it take NIKOLAI 2 to provoke the Germans ...

    Poor poor Willy ... He was provoked. That is why Friedrich von Purtales handed over the mistake of the Foreign Ministry S.D. Sazonov two war declaration notes - one in case Germany’s demands are rejected, and the second if accepted?
    The article is the antipode to the crunch of French rolls. The same uncompromising judgments, only with the opposite sign. What for bulkhrusts, what for the Author - there are no colors other than black and white. The fact that the world has deliberately and not really rolled towards this war the previous ten, or even more years, is not perceived by both parties in principle.
    There was no such option for Russia - to remain a neutral state in that fight.
    1. Serega86
      Serega86 25 November 2016 13: 36
      +1
      the author is trying to prove to everyone that he was, well, if the Communists were))
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 13: 39
        +3
        Quote: Serega86
        the author is trying to prove to everyone that he was, well, if the Communists were))

        And what are you trying to prove?
        Moreover, the story took place as it took place and your speculation is simply ridiculous.
        So prove something carefully?
      2. Tula gingerbread
        Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 07
        +4
        And once again, where did the author say in the article - "if there were communists"? We are waiting. Otherwise, you will have to declare you a shameful liar.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 25 November 2016 17: 56
          +1
          You can declare, since there is nothing like this in the article, the usual attempts of trolls to ascribe to the opponent their thoughts.
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 25 November 2016 09: 01
    +2
    Every morning we find near our hut abandoned corpses of cholera - there is not a single refugee lance not infected. The bodies are only slightly sprinkled with sand. The stench is unbearable. "
    And in the Second World War it was like this: "I arrived at the regional center, you won't go back to the village; they give a token to the bathhouse. I washed myself, get a bath ticket and buy a ticket with it"
    The NKVD guarded the railway.
    And the baths?
    But just won !!!
    1. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 11: 37
      +3
      So I say that the state institutes of the Republic of Ingushetia during the war did not cope with their responsibilities.
    2. Hapfri
      Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 17
      0
      And in the Second World War it was like this: "I came to the regional center,

      So it was a different era. In some houses, television screens lit up and penicillin was invented
  8. Hapfri
    Hapfri 25 November 2016 10: 12
    +4
    The First World War was the most striking example of how the masters of the West used Russia in their interests.

    Russia had its own interests, Russia was its own in the club of world powers, and who used whom is a big question.
  9. Hapfri
    Hapfri 25 November 2016 10: 17
    +4
    Romanov’s Russia allowed the use of Russian soldiers as cannon fodder,

    How is it? Since when is the defense of one's land called "use as cannon fodder." So there is no need to fight for the Motherland, is such a conclusion suggesting? You should have gone under the German?
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2016 11: 25
      +3
      Quote: Hupfri
      Since when is the defense of one's land called "use as cannon fodder."

      Since 1916, the formation of the Russian Expeditionary Force. Do you think France and Thessaloniki are Russian lands?
      1. Hapfri
        Hapfri 26 November 2016 14: 35
        +2
        Since 1916, the formation of the Russian Expeditionary Force.

        The English army was small, and the French fought with great tension. It was a help to the allies. What is the difference in which fields to destroy the enemy. On the other hand, the Red Army, for example, fought in the territories of Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Finland, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Austria in 44-45 years, more than 2 million soldiers died. Is it all Russian lands?
  10. Hapfri
    Hapfri 25 November 2016 10: 21
    +4
    . Russian troops rushed to Austro-German positions over and over again, saving France from decisive defeat

    Bolshevik agitation. France before the defeat was like before the moon. Verdun, Marne, Somme, Cambrai ... The author is completely unaware of the historical events of that war. The front in the West was the main one.
    1. novel66
      novel66 25 November 2016 11: 48
      +3
      he was mainly positional, with small losses (troops buried in the ground, spines, mines)
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 25 November 2016 21: 45
        +4
        Quote: novel xnumx
        he was mostly positional, losing at the same time small(troops buried in the ground, thorn, mines


        Dear Roman! Take a look at the loss figures of at least one battle in the Somme Million people! And they were and were ...
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 26 November 2016 00: 01
        +3
        This Verdun is a small loss. This is French Stalingrad
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 45
          +2
          only he was completely unnecessary.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 26 November 2016 14: 40
            +1
            only he was completely unnecessary
            Here I do not agree with you. Such battles were necessary to grind, destroy the military power of the enemy
    2. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Hupfri
      Bolshevik agitation. France before the defeat was like before the moon.

      Lie something else.
      The right-wingers warned the tsar against Russia's entry into this war. And suffice it to mention the memorandum of the former Minister of Internal Affairs Pyotr Nikolaevich Durnovo. (here is his summary: http://on-island.net/History/Durnovo.htm) In February 1914, he turned to the king with a note. He wrote: "If hostilities develop unsuccessfully, a social revolution in its most extreme manifestations is inevitable in our country." Witte, who was in exile, returned to Russia to warn the highest tsarist dignitary that Russia should not get involved in the war because of the territorial increments that she wanted to achieve in the war.
      France became an ally of Russia in 1893 during the reign of Alexander III, and Nikolai had nothing to do with the conclusion of the treaty. But the “peacemaker king” made an alliance with France, not only against Germany, but also against England. For some reason, almost all of our historians have deigned to forget about this. In fact, in the 80s and 90s. XIX century France several times was on the verge of war with the "mistress of the seas." It was not for nothing that Russian squadrons burned coal in the Mediterranean Sea. Our admirals and the French repeatedly practiced joint operations against the British Mediterranean squadron at staff and ship exercises.

      The arrogant Albion found himself in an extremely difficult situation - all the major states of Europe were against him. And, I must say, not without reason. England was always an international gendarme, climbed into any contentious issues from Europe to Central Africa and the Far East. During the Russo-Japanese War, England actually fought on the side of Japan. France betrayed its ally and took a position of hostile neutrality, that is, its government interpreted the controversial provisions of international law in the interests of Japan.

      The surest way that British diplomacy has used more than once is through war, and with the wrong hands. A curious fact: universal military duty in the United Kingdom was introduced only in January 1916 - 16 months after the start of the world conflict! England waited while Russia lost its strength. How can one not recall the slogan of British diplomacy: "Protect the interests of Britain until the last Russian."
      https://aftershock.news/?q=node/438875
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2016 00: 31
        +1
        1893 - Franco-Russian Union. In 1904, the Anglo-French Peace Agreement was signed, and in 1907, the Anglo-Russian Peace Agreement. So the Entente was formed.
      2. Hapfri
        Hapfri 26 November 2016 15: 18
        +2
        The right wing warned the tsar against Russia's entry into this war.
        The king had no choice. With the defeat of France in the 14th, the story of the 41st year would be repeated
        : "If military operations are unsuccessful, a social revolution in its most extreme manifestations is inevitable in our country

        Nothing inevitable happens. The socialist revolution did not solve any contradictions, but only led to the impoverishment of the masses. The capitalist class was replaced by a class of party bureaucrats, often completely incapable of any useful activity. The USSR was torn by contradictions, conspiracies and riots ripened, one after another political processes were going on. But look, the hard line of suppression, relying on the powerful political police, quickly solved all social problems. The king of all it was necessary to start planting and shooting.
        . Our and the French admirals have repeatedly practiced joint operations against the British Mediterranean squadron at headquarters and naval exercises.
        There is nothing wrong. What did they say so - are we going against the British?
        . During the Russo-Japanese War, England actually fought on the side of Japan.
        so the men have just been lit against them in the Mediterranean. But the Anglo-Russian war did not start
        The surest way that British diplomacy has used more than once is through war, and with the wrong hands

        That's not true. The English army fought on the continent, industry was working with great tension. At sea, for example, Russia fought with English hands. Klashniki were sitting at the bases without danger, instead of fighting with the fleet of the open sea of ​​Germany, and English sailors fought for them with the Germans. So everything is relative.
        : universal military duty in the United Kingdom was introduced only in January 1916 - 16 months after the outbreak of world conflict

        There were a lot of volunteers. Whole schools and streets went to the front. And so are the streets of death in battles. When the "socialists" in Russia were hiding from the army, calling for an imperialist war to grow into a civil war
        England waited while Russia lost its strength.

        England did not wait and fought. Cambrai attack - 400 British tanks went into battle for the first time, battle of Jutland ... wow, waited
        How can one not recall the slogan of British diplomacy: "Protect the interests of Britain until the last Russian."

        Is that written on the Foreign Office wall? Or in the Short Course VKPb, Uchpedgiz, 35th year of publication
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 26 November 2016 15: 21
          0
          Quote: Hupfri
          Is this what is written on the wall of the Foreign Office

          For you, yes, you are writing their opuses here with their methodological tags.
          1. Hapfri
            Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 23
            +1
            For you, yes, you’re writing their opuses here

            My opinion does not necessarily coincide with the opinion of the British government.
            I am the Russian proletariat. But you are clearly a party man
    3. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 14
      +3
      Great. That is, you say that France did not threaten any danger and it turns out that Russia had no reason to throw two armies of Samsonov and Renenkamf (Ivanov) into an adventure in East Prussia.
      Bravo!
      That is, Russia could calmly complete general mobilization, deploy an army, prepare an offensive and launch it, and maybe not in East Prussia against the Germans, but against the weaker Austrians, with more likely success.
      Perhaps already in 1914, Austria could have been knocked out of the war.
      Notice, you said that nothing threatened France.
      And here some argue that the king was smart. Thank you for dispelling this myth. lol
    4. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 48
      +2
      especially in the year 1915 ...

      yes - Russian troops also fought on it, probably they weren’t only in Italy
  11. unknown
    unknown 25 November 2016 10: 24
    +4
    Everyone somehow forgets that the result of the WWII was the collapse of not only the Russian Empire, but also the German and Austro-Hungarian.
    There was a complete reformatting of Europe. In the interests of the United States.
    The British Empire has survived. But why ? After its collapse, an audit was conducted that unequivocally proved that the Empire was a completely unprofitable enterprise. For the metropolis, that is, the UK.
    Instead of the Russian Empire, through the efforts of the United States, the USSR arose, and it completed what had begun. He defeated Germany, fed by Great Britain and the USA. He defeated Japan, which the United States allowed to begin the destruction of the British Empire.
    The world has become unipolar. Two weeks after the assassination of Stalin, Elizabeth entered the English throne (whose real family tree is not visible at all, which is probably why she is constantly being edited). Khrushchev in Paris met with Felix Yusupov, after which the rewriting of history began.
    1. Serega86
      Serega86 25 November 2016 13: 32
      +1
      There was a complete reformatting of Europe. In the interests of the United States.
      in the interests of England primarily and not the United States)
    2. Hapfri
      Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 38
      +1
      Elizabeth entered (whose real pedigree is completely not visible, probably, therefore, and is constantly edited

      Is Elizabeth not the daughter of the previous king.? Then what is there to correct?
      Khrushchev in Paris met with Felix Yusupov, according to

      Yusupov was an old beggarly poop, and why would Khrushchev meet with him?
      after the assassination of Stalin

      Without proof
      Through the efforts of the United States, the USSR arose, which completed what was begun. He defeated Germany, fed by Great Britain and the USA. He defeated Japan, which the United States allowed to begin the destruction of the British Empire.

      Why try to create the USSR. Why feed Germany at the risk of being buried under the ashes of collapsed empires. Do not multiply the number of entities above the necessary. Okama Blade
  12. Zmicerz
    Zmicerz 25 November 2016 10: 26
    +4
    A brilliant example of German propaganda! Bravo, herr Samsonov! laughing
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 25 November 2016 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: Zmicerz
      A brilliant example of German propaganda!

      Read carefully the fascist cidulka. For the German propaganda of 1914-1918, the use of the words "Red Army" and "Hitler" is clearly not typical! For twitching cards, a cheater could get a candlestick in the face, but here the "cons" unfortunately were removed, so cheaters like you are celebrating! What is the sexual relation of the fascist leaflet to the First World War?
      1. Zmicerz
        Zmicerz 25 November 2016 12: 36
        +4
        Find fault with the form. But in vain.
        Here's an article written by herr Samsonov: in form: serious popular science work, but in content ... "Russian, surrender! Your mean and feeble king is using you in the interests of England! Your propaganda is lying! Mediocre generals are driving you to slaughter in an aggressive aggressive war, which only brings you harm and colossal losses! .. ", etc., etc.
        1. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 13: 44
          +5
          This is where you read this article? Or do you have special glasses? For example, I read something else - there is nothing unprepared to go into war, and even completely alien to Russia and for the interests of others.
          1. Zmicerz
            Zmicerz 25 November 2016 13: 54
            +4
            So German anti-war propaganda had an effect on you, no more)
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 25 November 2016 18: 01
              +1
              How primitive, however, are trolls like you.
              1. Hapfri
                Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 44
                +1
                But how primitive are trolls like you

                You are not even a troll. You are a jester.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 25 November 2016 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: Zmicerz
      A brilliant example of German propaganda! Bravo, herr Samsonov!

      What does the 42 year pass have to do with it?
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        1. novel66
          novel66 25 November 2016 13: 01
          +5
          I don’t see the connection - or non-participation in the war, but if I fight, it’s in my interests
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 25 November 2016 13: 30
          +5
          The essence of the article is that the events of the WWII led to a revolution. Refugees, hunger, requisition of livestock, surplus appraisal, inflation, you can still add a million deserters with cuts in the bosom. And what were they fighting for?
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 46
            +2
            The author forgot to mention that the war led to a catastrophic situation in agriculture.
            In addition to requisition of livestock, food surplus, it was necessary to mention the catastrophic drop in the number of draft livestock-horses.
            Also, the soldiers in the army were mainly peasants and there were not enough workers in agriculture, even prisoners had to be used in agriculture, although this was prohibited by international agreements.
        3. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 13: 46
          +4
          Nothing conveys, typical - "in the garden of an elder, uncle in Kiev". Or, as the people say - out of tune, out of place. negative
  13. Hapfri
    Hapfri 25 November 2016 10: 27
    +5
    . The ministers are openly accused of supporting hunger,

    Hunger? What kind of hunger? Under Lenin, famine began. Gopnik from factories wanted freebies, they got it. Octopus of bread and a rusty herring on cards
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 25 November 2016 11: 10
      +7
      data at the end of XIX - beginning. XX centuries From a report to the tsar for 1892 (especially an unfavorable and lean) year: "Only from the failure of deaths to two million Orthodox souls." Indeed, according to the laws of that time, only those who were buried in Orthodox churches were included in the statistics, and there is no evidence of the number of dead "foreigners", Old Believers, "atheists" at all. But after all, it is clear to any normal person that even in the same Vyatka province, side by side with Russian peasants, Old Believers have long lived and worked on the same land, "foreigners" like "unbaptized Mordovians and Votyaks." Catholics kept their accounts of the dead, but these data were not submitted to the general report. Report to Nicholas II for January 1902: "In the winter of 1900-01, 12 provinces with a total population of up to 42 million people were starving. From this, the death rate is 2 million 813 thousand Orthodox souls! In 1911 (after the much-praised" Stolypin reforms "): "9 provinces with a total population of up to 32 million people were starving. From this, the mortality rate is 1 million 613 thousand Orthodox souls. "

      More information at http://voprosik.net/golod-v-rossii-pri-care/ © QUESTION
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 25 November 2016 11: 35
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        From this, the mortality rate of 1 million 613 thousand Orthodox souls "

        Is it worth "throwing pearls in front of ..." in front of a troll?
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 25 November 2016 21: 53
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        data at the end of XIX - beginning. XX centuries From a report to the tsar for 1892 (especially an unfavorable and lean) year: "Only from the failure of deaths to two million Orthodox souls." Indeed, according to the laws of that time, only those who were buried in Orthodox churches were included in the statistics, and there is no evidence of the number of dead "foreigners", Old Believers, "atheists" at all


        It was not such a report in nature is stupid false agitation octputchists as well as not there was never a "life chancellery" which they allegedly wrote.

        How much can you point this out?
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 22: 06
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          THERE WASN'T such a report in nature

          And what is so heart-rending?
          Prove, but don’t yell here, if you don’t like what you said, PROVE, but you can’t do this, lie, yes, however much it goes, but you have nothing to confirm your lie.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 25 November 2016 23: 10
            +1
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            Prove, but you cannot do this

            Quote: Aleksander
            as there has never been a "life chancellery"
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 26 November 2016 02: 50
              +3
              Quote: Dart2027

              0
              Bloodsucker Yesterday, 22:06 ↑ New
              Quote: Aleksander
              DID NOT HAVE such a report in nature

              And what is so heart-rending?
              Prove and don't yell here,

              yes to no purpose ... Batory already has a hangover ...
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 25 November 2016 11: 11
      +3
      According to a report at the annual session of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Empire: "Of the 6-7 million children born annually, up to 43% do not live to be 5 years old. 31% show signs of nutritional deficiency in one form or another: rickets, scurvy, pellagra, etc." Even then, the question was raised that "the general drunkenness of the poorest population disrupts the health of the child even before his birth." A separate paragraph lists the largest epidemics and the number of their victims: adults and children over 1 year old. From a report for 1912 against the words: "Almost every tenth peasant child from among those examined shows various signs of mental deficiency. But this deficiency is not only innate. A significant proportion of it stems from the fact that parents who are busy with work do not have time at least to somehow develop him, mentally and motor, according to age. And also, even with him, it is enough to talk and encourage with affection, so that the child learns to speak, walk, etc. in due time. " - in the hand of the king it is written: "It does not matter" and the highest signature is affixed. The same note is opposite the lines that "the average life span of the population of Russia is 30,8 years." According to the laws of that time, the statistics (except for the "unsung" in churches, as mentioned above) also did not include the mortality rate of children under 1 year old.

      More information at http://voprosik.net/golod-v-rossii-pri-care/ © QUESTION
      1. Zmicerz
        Zmicerz 25 November 2016 11: 42
        +3
        Again, Russophobia is starting up this one here, dear?
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 25 November 2016 12: 56
          +3
          Zmicerz you probably do not know the meaning of the word Russophobe! lol
      2. novel66
        novel66 25 November 2016 11: 51
        +5
        well, they were so starving to death - there weren’t enough French rolls? when the king is kind.
    3. igordok
      igordok 25 November 2016 12: 14
      +3
      The famine in tsarist Russia, "which did not exist," is well described on VO - https://topwar.ru/23913-kak-zhilos-krestyanam-vc
      arskoy-rossii-analitika-i-facty.html
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 25 November 2016 12: 53
        +2
        igordok and this is also not a bad article, with the recollections of contemporaries including about hunger! belay ! How did the peasants live in tsarist Russia. Analytics...
        topwar.ru ›... zhilos-krestyanam-v-carskoy ... fakty.html
        1. Serega86
          Serega86 25 November 2016 13: 31
          +3
          a hint that the collective farm is better understood))
          only this should everyone decide for himself for the country to grow him or for himself, if he himself has nothing to eat the country will wait)
          1. Tula gingerbread
            Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 23
            +4
            All the time "hints" seem to you. There is no need to think out and guess for anyone. Read what is written and understand it that way. If in doubt, ask again.
            No need to invent for the opponent what he did not say.
  14. Serega86
    Serega86 25 November 2016 13: 24
    +5
    "The First World War was the most striking example of how the masters of the West took advantage of Russia." - of course, you don't have to read further, the conclusion of the article without reading - "the Bolsheviks are good fellows, it is necessary to set up kamunism! 111"
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 13: 36
      +3
      Quote: Serega86
      "balsheviks well done nada vastanavit kamunizm! 111"

      If your knowledge is akin to your literacy, it is not surprising that in addition to outright nonsense, you simply can’t write anything, you can see your education below the baseboard ...
    2. Tula gingerbread
      Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 13: 48
      +5
      If you understand only this, then you are absolutely right, you don’t need to read, it’s difficult to understand.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 25 November 2016 14: 55
        +2
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        If your knowledge is akin to your literacy,

        Quote: Tula gingerbread
        If you understand only this, then you are absolutely right

        Comrades, this is a "freshly baked" troll, look at the date of its registration. One toilet sample with "happyri". It's time to come up with some kind of "gif" to answer such essences.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 17: 16
          +1
          Quote: V.ic
          It's time to come up with some kind of "gif" to answer such essences.

          The Infa-State Department recently slipped concerned about the increase in the number of employees working for it on the Internet, namely in the Russian direction.
          And this is probably why now there is a straight shaft of such freshly baked trolls, roaring and threshing deliberately. nonsense, regardless of any arguments, plus, and this is clearly a violation of the Rules, the use of clones is enough to look at some fresh "entities", the language, the writing style of which, comments are one-on-one with the talkers known here ..
          The State Department — plant corn in Iowa — so they need to write right away.
        2. Tula gingerbread
          Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 17: 18
          +3
          I will not be surprised that this is not "freshly baked", but simply re-registered, under a different nickname.
          It's time to introduce the cons.
  15. Tula gingerbread
    Tula gingerbread 25 November 2016 14: 47
    +6
    Quote: Serega86
    a hint that the collective farm is better understood))
    only this should everyone decide for himself for the country to grow him or for himself, if he himself has nothing to eat the country will wait)

    Great, bravo, fully support.
    Everyone should grow for himself, everyone should produce for himself fabrics, dishes, plows, harrows, seeders, knives, axes, braids, samovars, steam locomotives, wagons, steamers, etc.
    And everything is strictly each for himself.
    Hooray, back to the cave. For some, the concept of the division of labor is not available.
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 25 November 2016 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: Tula gingerbread
      Hooray, back to the cave. For some, the concept of the division of labor is not available.

      The dream of liberals, who imagine, as they think of themselves, the composition of the so-called "golden billion", although they do not understand that they are thrown into the trash after being used ..
      What about the Strugatsky?
      The Grays drive the road to BLACK, then the Grays are allowed under the knife.
      Yes, in fact, it is already clear that liberals in their extreme phase profess openly fascist and Nazi views.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 25 November 2016 18: 29
        +3
        Spengler why the Nazis recorded? this is the extreme phase that you talk about so confidently about.
        Speaking (paraphrasing) the words of one movie hero - Spengler is as fascist as a ballerina from Blotter.
  16. Demeter
    Demeter 25 November 2016 20: 06
    +2
    The betrayal occurred much earlier, when the tsar’s relatives and ministers plundered the budget of the empire, and as a result of the lost Russian-Japanese war, thousands of dead sailors who were sent to certain death on frankly old, or defective ships and the defeat of the First World because of the huge shortage in Russia as heavy howitzers and mortars, and fighter aircraft.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 26 November 2016 14: 51
      0
      Who supervised the Russian fleet from the great dukes there? Contemporaries say that the diamonds worn by his mistress could have been used to build a second fleet. But the Russian fleet for the Russo-Japanese war found itself without modern armored cruisers and there was nothing to oppose to the 8 Japanese ones, except for "Russia", "Thunderbolt" and "Bayan" and the still old "Rurik".
      1. Demeter
        Demeter 26 November 2016 17: 46
        0
        Yes, one of the great princes, now I don’t remember the name. He stole everything and drove off with a French actress.
        1. Hapfri
          Hapfri 26 November 2016 23: 49
          +1
          Well, this is no worse than carrying diamonds with suitcases overseas for the benefit of the world revolution. Thousands of adventurers fed from the bounties of the International
          1. Demeter
            Demeter 27 November 2016 03: 23
            0
            One thing is different, only judging by the defeats in the Russo-Japanese and World War I princes Nikolashki stole more than the internationalists who caught a cold head
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 27 November 2016 09: 29
            0
            Quote: Hupfri

            0
            Hapfrey Yesterday, 22:41 PM ↑
            Kazan Cathedral in Moscow

            This is the name of St. Basil's Cathedral. Yes, you are a connoisseur of cathedrals, as I look


            This is Pokrovsky, he is on the other side of Red Square
            and St. Basil the only temple in it ...

            The "leader" seems to have managed to plant a "dybbuk" on someone, yesterday I received a warning for "rudeness" in relation to his "person" ...
            but for "Nikolashka" - nothing ... you can,
            soon, he’ll start kuru in one place ...
            the word "hapon" and the tirade "of course the cooks know better how to govern the country" are also considered unacceptable lol
  17. antivirus
    antivirus 25 November 2016 22: 00
    +1
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Was William forced? You still say that he did not want war!

    laughing Yes-ah! Sculpt from ,, cousin Willie "peacemaker wassat , this is already really bust. bully
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Kaiser was far from being a fool to open a second front behind him ...

    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
    Did the Kaiser always listen to Bismarck? And they never had a dispute.

    By that time, all that was left of Bismarck in relation to Russia had actually been etched out surrounded by a cousin. There is no need to dissolve any glitches - it’s enough to ask WHO and WHICH formed the agenda of the Kaiser’s inner circle.

    It is necessary to read the French history textbook who started WWI, and WWII !!!!!!!
  18. Omsk
    Omsk 26 November 2016 12: 38
    +2
    A few words in the piggy bank of opinions.
    The reasons for Russia's entry into the war seem to be on the surface: the union treaty obligated us to do this. Another issue is the time of entry into the war. That Nikolai made a strategic mistake here is understandable, but the real motives for this are unlikely to become known. Being an openly weak monarch, he was not a fool and perfectly understood the consequences.
    Foch spoke of Russia's salvation of France in 1914. And it is strange to read the arguments on the forum, denying this fact, as if they know the course of the war better than its participants.
    The variant of the Soviet attack on Germany in 1939, 1940, 1941 was repeatedly considered at various forums and the majority came to the conclusion that in these cases there would have been a worse catastrophe than June 22. Those who wish can familiarize themselves.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 26 November 2016 18: 06
      +2
      Omich, the Tsar agreed with you, was weak, but not a fool.
      "The variant of the USSR attack on Germany ..." This is the favorite statement of "Suvorov" Rezun! In my opinion, Stalin was not going to start a war with Germany: he knew the state of the Red Army very well and got involved in a dubious adventure!
  19. Monarchist
    Monarchist 26 November 2016 17: 54
    +1
    ".... The weakness of the supreme power, .... having arranged the so-called ministerial leapfrog, will contribute to the fall of the Romanov empire," alas, the Tsar's indecision, the absence of a decisive person in his entourage contributed to the fact that the House of Romanovs collapsed.
    I don’t know about you, but the death of the empire reminded me of the following disaster-collapse of the Union!
    Look: the Emperor did not show will before and then. MS also "played" with librarianship and did not demonstrate will. In 1917, the gendarmerie was paralyzed (obvious treason)). Belovebskie "gatherings", when M. S "aspened": like a giraffe on the seventh day. He called the KGB, and there he was congratulated on what happened - in fact, treason in the leadership of the KGB.
    Or the so-called GKChP a bunch of loud statements and a lebidin lake, but there are no actions. Remember, Pugo was in Kiev at that moment, the only person in the Emergency Committee capable of decisive action "accidentally" was not in Moscow. What is it: accident or intent?
    I remember in those days, at the bus stop, I asked 3 cops, "Guys, what minister do you obey?" There were two answers: 1 "we are waiting for the instruction of the head of the regional department" 2 "there Yanaev agreed in advance and will flush everything down the toilet"
    As you wish, but I have the conviction that there were too many suspicious coincidences both in 1917
  20. samarin1969
    samarin1969 26 November 2016 21: 18
    0
    Russia had the opportunity to once again evade the war ... Well, at least not to arrange unprepared "Masurian swamps" for the sake of the Marne, or to save Verdun in Brusilov style .... In general, it looks more like the narrow-mindedness and weakness of the monarch .. ...
  21. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 28 November 2016 19: 12
    0
    I read the article, read all the comments. A large number of trolls and guests of an alternative history speak in favor of the article. ++++
  22. bbss
    bbss 4 November 2017 00: 57
    0
    But now Parvus is the "father of the revolution."