The carbine "Manliher-Karkano" is a very average weapon, but its

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Carabiner "Manliher-Karkano" - weapon very mean, but his.

It happened more than once that instead of buying good weapons abroad, with persistence, worthy of much better use, the state continued to cling to its own nationality. That is, its own, national, albeit bad, is better than foreign, even if good.



The carbine "Manliher-Karkano" is a very average weapon, but its

Mannicher-Carcano Carabiner M91 / 38 - as you can see, outwardly nothing special.

Here are many Italian armaments "from the same opera," and, in particular, the whole family of Manlicher-Carcano rifles. It all began with a sample of “fucile modello 1891”, that is, the 1891 model of the year (M91), the same age as our Mosino trilinear. Moreover, the German Mauser M1889 served as the basis for its creation, but they worked on it, eventually changing beyond recognition, two people at once: the famous gunsmith Ferdinand Mannlicher and Salvatore Carcano - the chief inspector of the Turin Arms Factory. Thanks to the first, the rifle received the original store, the second created for it both the original bolt and the original fuse. An even more original decision was a pack of six rounds, which was inserted into the rifle magazine along with the cartridges and which fell out of it through a special window in the bottom of the magazine box after the last cartridge was sent to the chamber. This allowed for a higher practical rate of fire in relation to rifles of other systems. In addition, this pack had six rounds of ammunition, whereas the rifles of all the other fighting armies had five, and the French rifle Berthier originally only had three. Replacing the outdated Wetterly rifles of the 1871 / 72 model and the Wetterly-Vitali models of the 1871 / 87 model, which had a caliber 10,4 mm, were planned to replace the rifle.

Since a lot of weapons depend on the cartridge, the Italians thought about it first of all, as a result of which Italy was among the first countries that received 6,5 mm caliber cartridges for their small arms. Then it spread to Japan, Sweden, Norway, Holland, Portugal and Romania, as well as to Greece.

Meanwhile, the experience of the First World War clearly demonstrated that infantry rifles are too long. Therefore, between the two world wars, many countries of the world began to adopt modernized models of old weapons, mainly characterized by reduced length, into service with their infantry. So from the experience of the First World War, the Manlikher-Karkano carbine of the 1891 / 24 model of the year was created, which differed from the M91T.S model with a constant sight on the 300 m, which replaced the sector on the range to 1500 m.

It turned out also the low efficiency of the cartridge 6,5x52. As in Ethiopia in 1935 – 1936, and in Spain, with the 1936 of the year, this cartridge showed itself not with the best hand. And then in 1937, the Italian army decided to rearm with a rifle chambered for the new caliber 7,35x51. As it happens with the army very often, the most important condition for the technical task was to ensure the minimum cost of rearmament. At the same time, work on the cartridge and on the rifle was conducted in parallel. The result was the M38 Mannisher-Carcano rifle and the M38 and M38T.S two Mannisher-Carcano carbines. In addition to the new caliber, simplified sight and the arrangement of the swivels, they did not differ much from the previous models.

In the design of the rifle and carbine, the Italians abandoned the progressively sophisticated cutting in the bore of the barrel, leaving a constant groove pitch in 254 mm. Nevertheless, in general, the rifle had relatively high characteristics: the length was equal to 1020 mm, the barrel length - 538 mm, weight - 3400 g, with a magazine capacity of six rounds. Under the designation "Manliher-Carcano" M91 / 38, a new rifle was also launched under the old 6,5x52 cartridge. But then Italy entered the Second World War, which did not allow it to either completely re-equip the army, nor provide the ammunition with enough new caliber.


The shutter and sight. Everything is very simple and, in general, reliable.

And if so, in order to avoid problems with the delivery of two types of cartridges to the troops at the same time, it was decided to withdraw all 7,35 mm rifles from the army. At the same time, it was decided to launch the production of old 6,5 mm rifles, which were designated as “Manliher-Carcano” M91 / 41. Some sources try to explain this decision by the unsatisfactory ballistics of 6,5 caliber bullets when shooting with the new Mannichar-Carkano M91 / 38 rifle, the barrel length of which was originally designed for the 7,35X51 cartridge. It is also argued that the trunk in this case should have a length of at least 780 mm. That is, just the barrel of the rifle "Manliher-Carcano" M91 / 41. It is believed that the sight on the 300 m did not allow to realize all the possibilities of a more powerful cartridge at a range of applications, so the Mannicher-Carcano M91 / 41 was again set a variable sight, which allowed to shoot up to 1000 m.

The Manlicher-Carcano M91 / 41 was produced by armories in Terni and in Cremona, where, during the war years, around 820 thousands of rifles were launched. The peak of their production fell on 1942 year. On rifles from Terni in 1941-43 on the top of the chamber there was a stamp with the abbreviation FAT, a royal crown and two numbers indicating the year of manufacture. Later, he also began to put a stamp of military acceptance, which had the appearance of a five-pointed star, that is, a symbol of the Republic of Italy. Interestingly, this rifle was produced in Terni until 1953, and then kept for a long time in the warehouses of the Italian army.


Barrel and muzzle end.

To enhance the effectiveness of the fire of the Italian infantry, in 1939, the Mannicher-Carcano carbine M91 / 24 TS was put into service, which was paired with the M1928 mortar grenade launcher. Rifle grenades from this mortar could shoot at a distance of 400-500 m. And for throwing grenades it was necessary to remove its bolt and ... then rearrange it to this mortar.

The last change to the caliber of the Italian rifle and carbines took place in 1944, when Northern Italy was occupied by the Germans. They began to produce Italian weapons under their German cartridge 7,92x57, and produced it until the spring 1945 year.

Surprisingly, Italy itself, possessing, in general, a powerful industrial potential, not only failed to adopt modern models of small arms, including semi-automatic ones, but was not even able to organize the production of rifles and new 7,35 mm caliber cartridges.


Carabiner with open bolt.

What did the M91 / 38 carbine "Manliher-Carcano" look like, which became practically the main weapon of the Italian infantry during the Second World War? The shutter of the traditional design, longitudinally sliding, turning to the right when locked, having two symmetrical protrusions on the stem. The percussion mechanism was of the shock type and is located in the stem of the gate. Flap non-automatic fuse had a very simple device in the form of a clutch with a "flag", having a grooved notch, located on the back of the bolt. To put it in the "fire" position, it was necessary to move the flag forward and then turn right-down. To put the carbine on the fuse, the flag had to be raised up. At the same time, he very clearly blocked the line of sight, so whether he was ready for battle could be determined very easily. The cartridge pack latch was in the front of the trigger guard: after pressing it, the pack, along with the remaining cartridges, was thrown out by the feeder from the magazine up through the window in the receiver.


The shutter is open, well visible feeder cartridges.

There were carbines that had a shortened box and a curved bolt handle: the cavalry M91, which had a hinged needle bayonet under the barrel, and M91T.S. (for special units), which was used by engineers, gunners and signalmen. The length of both of them was 920 mm, both of which had an aiming range in 1500 m. The carbines got progressive cutting of the barrel, the pitch of which gradually decreased from 485 to 210 mm.


A pack of cartridges for "Manlicher-Carcano." By the way, one of the reasons why Manlichera’s pack was abandoned in the same Russian imperial army was its ... weight greater than the weight of the Nagant cage. Of course, the score went on grams. But these grams, multiplied by the many millions of lost packs and clips, turned into thousands of tons of high-quality metal, which had to be smelted, processed, transferred and transferred to fighters in positions. The clips were much easier ...

Manneher-Carcano carbine performance characteristics M91 / 38
Patron: 7,35x51 Italian M.38
Full length: 1021 mm
Barrel length: 530 mm
Weight: 3,40 kg
Grooves: 4 right
Store capacity: 6 cartridges


"Plump" he is in his hands, "plump." It is even visible in the photo on the girth. Is it possible that poor quality wood was used?

Personal impressions of the carbine. Short, in general, convenient, but as if some kind of "unfinished", as if coming out of a village forge, and not from a modern arms factory. There is neither the elegance of the hard drive, nor the simplicity of the remington, nor the absolute simplicity of the Mauser. In comparison with the Moscow carbine, the “tree” on it is some kind of “plump”, and the store still seems too prominent for such a number of cartridges. That is, with him, of course, you can fight, you can shoot out of it and you can kill people too, but personally I (if I had the opportunity to choose) would choose something else. Some he is not very fancy ...
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  1. +7
    30 November 2016 15: 28
    And Oswald chose Manlycher-Carcano.
    1. +2
      30 November 2016 15: 35
      Not a carbine - a rifle. What was at hand ...
    2. +2
      23 May 2017 02: 03
      Oswald did not choose anything. Oswald himself was chosen.
  2. +4
    30 November 2016 15: 46
    Acquired by mail. Strange choice.
    However, all independent experts believe that, in addition to Oswald, they shot several more snipers, located to the right of Kennedy’s car, on the lawn and right in the parking lot. The nature of the injuries suggests that the criminals used expansive bullets, since the outlet openings are much larger than the inlet. In addition, the bullet that hit the president in the throat came out between his shoulder blades, which is typical for the use of 5,56 mm small-caliber bullets, since a light bullet begins to tumble in the human body. In addition, the speed with which the president received all injuries suggests that the shooters used self-loading weapons (the Manlihera longitudinally-sliding shutter does not allow achieving such a rate of fire). Many are inclined to believe that the true weapon of the assassination of President Kennedy was the self-loading rifle AR-15, which went on commercial sale since 1957. After adoption, she received the M16 index ..
    And there is a curious version that there was no murder.
    Jacqueline Kennedy was near Johnson when he took the oath.
    Onassis is very similar to Johnson. And Carter is very similar to Kennedy.
    According to this version, all post-war presidents are relatives, descendants of five generals who carried out a coup in 1944.
    Moreover, even Elizabeth the English is the daughter of Eisenhower, and her husband is the son of MacArthur. Such a conspiracy thesis.
    1. +5
      30 November 2016 16: 45
      Moreover, even Elizabeth of England is the daughter of Eisenhower, and then what to do with George VI belay
      1. +4
        1 December 2016 08: 42
        But no way. The Windsor Dynasty does not line up. No way.
        And the Hanover dynasty. Photos of Victoria are especially pleasing. On a wretched wagon drawn by a donkey.
        But the Connaught dynasty is traced. Not for nothing they somehow tragically perished. And the genealogy of Elizabeth is constantly being adjusted. Last time, in the 90s.
        By the way, the Romanov dynasty is not traced.
    2. +11
      30 November 2016 17: 08
      well, after the second paragraph, it seems to me that this is already quite conspiracy theological conspiracy theology! drinks
      but the fact that poor Oswald was slipped as the main suspect and immediately removed - yes, set up, don't go to grandma. A more perfect whipping boy could not be found throughout America. Very reminiscent of the case of "snipers on the Maidan." what
    3. +7
      30 November 2016 17: 15
      Quote: ignoto
      Acquired by mail. Strange choice.

      Fancy reading, experts wrote even those. smile
      Quote: ignoto
      typical for the use of 5,56 mm small-caliber bullets, since a light bullet begins to tumble in the human body.

      Hmm, a strong statement, but why would she somersault?
      Quote: ignoto
      used expansive bullets, since the outlet openings are much larger than the inlet.

      So were the bullets expansive or somersaulted? This is somewhat different.
      Quote: ignoto
      The true murder weapon of President Kennedy was the AR-15 self-loading rifle, which went on sale in 1957. After adoption, she received the M16 index ..

      In fact, since 1957 they began to produce AR-10, AR-15 began to produce in 1963.
      Quote: ignoto
      And there is a curious version that there was no murder.
      Jacqueline Kennedy was near Johnson when he took the oath.
      Onassis is very similar to Johnson. And Carter is very similar to Kennedy.
      According to this version, all post-war presidents are relatives, descendants of five generals who carried out a coup in 1944.
      Moreover, even Elizabeth the English is the daughter of Eisenhower, and her husband is the son of MacArthur. Such a conspiracy thesis.

      This, probably, does not require comment. smile
    4. +3
      30 November 2016 18: 03
      Yes, I read about it. There is even a conspiracy thesis that Kennedy shot the driver! Why and why, where I read it was not written, but the fact itself - yes. There will be material about this next week.
    5. +3
      30 November 2016 19: 04
      Why not use M-14? With optics, self-loading.
    6. +1
      6 December 2016 10: 09
      Dear friend, the exit holes in case of a bullet wound will in any case be larger than the entrance holes. The peculiarity of the expansive bullets is that when they hit the body, they remain there while unfolding (bursting). And not about any tumbling 5,56 caliber bullets during Kenedy's murder. No matter what all sorts of "independent experts" say, Oswald himself was trained as a sniper in the US Marine Corps, which means his high class as a sniper. And one more thing is unlikely that a high-class professional will use expansive bullets in such a serious matter.
  3. +5
    30 November 2016 15: 46
    Thanks for the article.

    "and the magazine seems too protruding for so many rounds."

    Visually, in comparison with the same three-ruler, it is just one cartridge and more. smile

    "Short, in general, comfortable, but as if some kind of" unfinished ", as if it came out of a village smithy, and not from a modern weapons factory. There is neither the elegance of a Winchester, nor the simplicity of a Remington, nor the absolute simplicity of a Mauser. with a Mosin carbine, the "tree" on it is kind of "plump" "

    In general, is everything subjective?
    1. 0
      30 November 2016 18: 05
      In my opinion. I would not go with him in intelligence. Uncomfortable in the hands. And that means shooting is inconvenient. That's like a club, perhaps ...
    2. +4
      30 November 2016 22: 46
      Vladimirets

      Attitude to small arms in general has a lot of subjective. That is, these are the things that relate directly to physical capabilities.

      For example.
      1. Attachment, relatively speaking. This is when you are standing from a shooting position, throw up a rifle. This movement is performed with two hands. Ideally, none of the hands should receive excessive force. In this case, the barrel goes easily and becomes so that the sights are carried out on the target almost immediately without the effort of the shooter. Those. no need to line up the line of sight. Now it has been replaced by a collimator with a scope, which, by the way, is placed in the conditional center of mass.

      Here is subjectivity. The arms are different in length, the shoulders are different in width, the muscle mass reacts differently.

      2. Length, butt and shutter length. Well, when you do not change the position of the rifle from the shooting position, you can easily twitch the bolt without withdrawing the barrel from the line of fire. There are many design features of a rifle but also human motility.

      3. How close to hand is the shutter handle. Is it easy to blindly find her hand. Does the hand find, in this case, other protrusions similar to the handle of the shutter. You will be surprised that in the world there are many weapons with such a defect. It also partly depends on the characteristics of the person.

      Something like this.
      1. +1
        1 December 2016 08: 01
        You wrote very well, thanks!
  4. +7
    30 November 2016 16: 00
    It happened more than once that instead of buying good weapons abroad, with persistence, worthy of much better use, the state continued to cling to its own nationality. That is, its own, national, albeit bad, is better than foreign, even if good.
    Still, it's better if you produce it yourself. The meaning of this phrase is that if you can’t develop a weapon yourself, it’s easier to buy a license. But in this case, the rifle and carbine are purely Italian, and even a pack of cartridges was modified.
    The Italian rifle of the 1891 model of the Paraviccini-Carcano system (M1891 Paraviccini-Carcano), also erroneously referred to as Mannlicher-Carcano, was developed by engineer Salvatore Carcano at the state arsenal in the city of Terni and was adopted by the commission under the leadership of General Paraviccini. Together with the rifle, new 6,5 mm (6,5 × 52) caliber cartridges with a sleeve without a collar and a long, relatively blunt-ended shell bullet were also adopted. The name of the famous Austrian weapon designer Ferdinand Von Manliher is associated with this rifle because it uses the store of his system with pack loading, although modified. Otherwise, the Carcano rifles have very little in common with Mannlicher rifles.
    http://smallarms.ru/article?arms=cm1891
  5. +3
    30 November 2016 18: 25
    What is this? It turns out in an era when all of the usual and ubiquitous at that time "oars" aimed at no less than 1000 m, the macaroni were the first to guess that marking the sight per mile for the usual - combat infantry - model is meaningless and even harmful? No ... No, it can't be, it's just that the author does not finish saying something. laughing From SW. hi
    PS
    And about the question "it's better worse, but your own" ... Still, in this situation, dependence on external suppliers (weapons, parts, spare parts, cartridges, etc.), who are partners / allies yesterday, and tomorrow are not even friends, are not gut; and it makes sense to maintain its own design school, and the hard workers plowing inside the country and for their economy.
    P.P.S
    Chet had never once wondered how an ammunition pack was removed before all cartridges were used up, cognitively.
    1. +4
      30 November 2016 22: 12
      There will be an article on Spanish Star pistols - a copy of Colt. What parts? What is the addiction? Everyone tore off and did no worse. Italians could do the same ... buy a mosquito or a Mauser - just copy it and pay nothing to anyone ...
      1. +2
        30 November 2016 22: 50
        Quote: kalibr
        There will be an article on Spanish Star pistols - a copy of Colt.

        I do not envy you. But good luck. If you read books about weapons, especially small arms, you can see that sometimes different samples from different manufacturers have an external resemblance, but a different device. For example, Lahti and Parabellum pistols.
        << Pistol Star "Modelo Militar" of the Spanish arms company Star Bonifacio Echeverria, SA, released in 1920, is a transitional design between the models for the creation of which the designer was inspired by the appearance of the "Mannlicher", and models, the device of which was borrowed from the "Colt Browning ". >> http://zonwar.ru/pistolet/Star_M1920.html
        1. +3
          1 December 2016 08: 00
          Well, since it fell into my hands and I held on to it, I could not help but write. And since before that "held" to the real Colt, then compare. I liked Spanish better ...
          1. +2
            1 December 2016 08: 07
            Quote: kalibr
            And since before that "held" to the real Colt, then compare. I liked Spanish better ...

            It looks more elegant. But our TT also went from this root. I mean Colt.
      2. +1
        1 December 2016 17: 13
        Quote: kalibr
        What is the addiction? Everyone tore off and did no worse.

        By the way, yes - about no worse. Himself in 2005 had a chance to hold on to this copy, disassemble and assemble (though not to shoot, but what can you do - a collection exhibit). Liked. The quality of steel, machining and fitting of parts, the work of the mechanism is quite up to standard. And of the 30M even had a chance to shoot at the shooting range, also a very solid and durable unit.
        From SW. hi
        PS
        About copying, by the way, yes. Moreover, in the first decade of the century there was no such thing as industrial espionage or technological secrets - any breakthrough or simply high-quality inventions and products with good market potential (including weapons) were covered and "promoted" in the broadest possible way , "to all fields".
        But after all, many went their own way and even refused frank failures (the same numerous frankly censored French units of all types, systems and calibers of the first and second also half a century) and continued to produce and use their own.
  6. +2
    30 November 2016 20: 33
    I didn’t understand the range ... at that time they shot at 500+ meters exclusively against a group target or a chain of soldiers. In fact for good luck. Have you ever seen the same target in the same mosquito in the sight of a growth target? Did not see! because it is not visible there under normal conditions. Only in the dash or soevnovaniya .. and here in battle
  7. +4
    30 November 2016 21: 57
    Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich! I want to make some additions. The weapon you describe is called Parravicino-Carcano. Gustavo Parravichino, the artillery general, led the whole process of creating and making a rifle that you described so interestingly.
    1. +3
      30 November 2016 22: 06
      I know, but the rifle was called wrong. It should be called that. But officially called Manlicher Carcano. Officially!
      1. +3
        1 December 2016 01: 59
        I do not reproach you at all.
        In Russian and Soviet literature - Manliher - Carcano.
        In Italy, officially - Fucile Modello 1891.
        Otherwise, there is both.
        Ferfax generally believes that it is right-Parravichino is Mauser, since there is only a store from Manlicher, and the model was Mauser.
        1. +1
          1 December 2016 07: 57
          Only the store was in Lee-Metford and Lee-Enfield rifles. Barrel cutting of Metford and Enfield. So, in the tradition of the gunsmiths of that time, the store is not at all "only". I had an article here about rifles of the 1st world war. It was about Parrvichino.
  8. +3
    1 December 2016 23: 02
    In general, informative. But I still did not understand why the carbine was so bad. Plump and not pretty? Is that all? Relatively lightweight and short. Well that's good. I remember the memories of one veteran. He got a three-ruler in 1891. He was 1,58 tall and a rifle with a bayonet stood next to him 20 cm higher than his height. And it was not recommended to remove the bayonet - she was shot with a bayonet. I understand that the Russian miracle to the heroes from the plow, which was the majority, a weight of about 5 kg is not weight. But, nevertheless, with such a hole, if a fight in the forest or in a trench is somehow not very convenient to quickly turn around. And about the range all the time I remember one place in Remarque's imperishable "All Quiet on the Western Front". He writes there: "Now there is a new fashion to go on the attack: some take with them only hand grenades and a shovel." So think after that - how important is the aiming range for personal weapons, if people did without it at all. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the range of more than 300 m for weapons without an optical sight is a rather hypothetical indicator, especially in an offensive. So it is not clear why the small carbine is so bad. Maybe only if hand-to-hand combat took place not in a trench, but in an open field, then a big hole in the hands of a hefty fellow is, of course, an advantage.
  9. 0
    7 July 2017 22: 02
    Quote: ignoto
    And Oswald chose Manlycher-Carcano.

    Well this is the official version. For children from kindergarten.