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The Bastion complexes have joined the discussion about the South Kuriles.

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The Bastion complexes have joined the discussion about the South Kuriles.Russia announced the deployment of the bastion and ball missiles on two of the four islands of the Kuril ridge, which Japan claims: Iturup and Kunashir. As is known, the two other islands - Shikotan and Habomai - could theoretically be the subject of a compromise with Tokyo. It is possible that the location of the complexes itself contains a certain political hint for Japan.


Coastal missile systems (DBK) "Ball" and "Bastion" are located on the Kuril Islands, the Pacific newspaper reported on Tuesday. fleet "Combat Watch."

The coastal missile division Bastion has been formed, the second one is being formed, the newspaper writes, adding: since May, the personnel of the Ball division have been actively preparing for shooting practice in the waters of the Sea of ​​Japan. “Also away from home, the division of the coastal missile complex Bastion on Iturup Island and the division of the coastal missile complex Bal on Kunashir Island are responsibly carrying combat duty with reinforced batteries. To date, the compound is preparing for the next firing of the coastal missile system "Bastion", - reports RIA "News"With reference to the publication.

The message from the Pacific Fleet came on the eve of Vladimir Putin's visit scheduled for 15 in December to the Land of the Rising Sun and amid talk of the imminent compromise of the two countries on the Kuril Islands. As the newspaper VIEW, wrote in October, Foreign Minister Fumio Kisida said that Japan is ready to discuss the return of only two of the four islands - Habomai and Shikotana. Russia has so far placed new weapons only on two other islands - on Iturup and Kunashir. This can be interpreted as a hint that Moscow does not consider these two islands at all the subject of a possible compromise.

The islands have become "yacht"

Back in March, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu warned that "Bastion" and "Ball" will be deployed in the Kuril Islands before the end of the year. Last year, the Tor-M2U anti-aircraft missile systems were also put on combat duty there. In addition, it is supposed to transfer drones to the Kurils. It was reported that the military are exploring the possibility of creating a base for the Pacific Fleet on the islands of the Great Kuril Ridge.

In July, the representative of the Pacific Fleet, Vladimir Matveyev, reported that the coastal forces of the fleet conducted the first shooting from the "Bastion". Matveyev stressed that the missile division had successfully destroyed the sea target, having previously broken 200 km and immediately deployed the equipment in an unequipped position. According to him, the shooting was carried out on one of the landfills in the Primorsky Territory. They attracted a total of more than 200 military and about 20 units of equipment. “It is planned that“ Bastion ”will take up combat duty in August of this year,” TASS quoted Matveyev. A report from the fleet newspaper confirms that this has already happened.

The coastal missile system “Bastion” is equipped with “Onyx” (“Yakhont”) missiles. It is designed to destroy surface ships of various classes and types. One complex, the ammunition of which can include up to 36 missiles, is able to protect more than 600 km of the coast.

The coastal missile system (DBK) "Bal-E" is designed to control territorial waters and torrential zones, protect naval bases, other coastal facilities and coastal infrastructure; protect the coast on landing-dangerous directions. The range of destruction - 120 km with X-35 missile and 260 km with X-35 missile. Remoteness of the starting position from the coastline - to 10 km.

On the eve it became known that the "Bastion" was deployed at the opposite end of the country - in the Kaliningrad region.

“It should be emphasized that since the post-Soviet period, Japan has not been viewed as a potential adversary. The threat of conflict with it was not considered real. In addition, we now have a very positive trend in relations with Japan. However, the South Kuriles are still a disputed territory, which means that military units remain there, ”Vasily Kashin, an expert at the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, explained to the VZGLYAD newspaper. - 18-I machine gun and artillery division from Soviet times, sitting on these islands. Now it has been reformed, since it has become impossible to rely on the system of long-term fire installations, as it was before. ”

"Termites" disappeared from the islands

In addition, all units in the Southern Kuriles are planning to retool with the new generation, Kashin noted. “Gradually, they get new armored vehicles, artillery, air defense is increasing. In Soviet times, there were once Termit coastal complexes that were outdated and decommissioned. And instead of them put modern systems that complement each other. The Bastion is a heavier supersonic missile, and the Ball is a less heavy subsonic low-flying anti-ship missile. That is, in addition to the ground forces, an anti-shipping group is also being created, ”the expert emphasized.

“This is a planned process that simply allows us to prevent a decrease in the potential of troops on the islands. They rearmament for a very long time. Even in Soviet times, units on these islands did not shine with modern weapons. For example, in the Russian army, the South Kuril Islands were the last place where until the middle of the second half of the two thousandths were actively used Tanks T-55, ”Kashin recalled.

Other experts believe the military threat from Japan is quite real. “Japan has one of the most powerful fleets in the world, one of the most powerful armies that potentially compete not only with our group in the Kuril Islands, but with all of China. So, of course, there are potential targets for anti-ship complexes there, ”said Vadim Kozyulin, a professor at the Academy of Military Sciences, told the newspaper VIEW. “We have a large water area there, fish resources are a conflict zone.”

But the professor does not consider the appearance of “Bastions” on the islands on the very eve of Putin’s visit to Japan to be a political gesture, just as the simultaneous appearance of “Bastions” in the Kaliningrad region. “The military, of course, does not care about who said what and who threatened politicians with what. They simply do their work, maintain the combat readiness of the armed forces, ”said Kozyulin.

In contrast, Viktor Pavlyatenko, a leading researcher at the Center for Research of Japan at the Institute of Far Eastern Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, believes that the deployment of the Bastions is also a political signal from Japan, and it was no accident that rockets appeared only on Kunashir and Iturup. “This is a signal that regardless of any negotiations on these islands, all the necessary measures will be taken to strengthen their defense capability,” he told the VIEW newspaper.

“The reaction of the Japanese was initially negative. It was clear to them that there could be no talk at least about these two islands. And it will not affect our plans for signing the contract. The Russian president said that the agreement should be signed, but no need to hurry. This is a policy, both from the other side. Each side is trying to secure its own national interest. And if Japan now starts talking about an imaginary “Russian threat”, then all the talk about a peace treaty and some solution - not yet found, but with the desire to find it - can be put aside, ”concluded the expert.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 26 November 2016 06: 10
    +17
    And if Japan now begins to talk about the imaginary “Russian threat”, then all the talk about the peace treaty and some kind of solution - not yet found, but with the desire to find it — can be put aside, ”the expert summed up.


    Suspended situation ...
    The Kremlin needs a peace treaty with JAPAN, it’s obvious ... the Japanese need the Kuril Islands, preferably with Sakhalin, it’s also obvious.
    So we are now observing the invisible work of diplomats, intelligence, military and officials from the side of RUSSIA and the political elite of JAPAN on the other hand.
    The question of the price of the KREMLIN peace treaty with JAPAN remains suspended ... I emphasize it from the KREMLIN ... for most citizens of RUSSIA the issue of Kuril membership is beyond doubt ... however, the KREMLIN’s desire to conclude an agreement with the Japanese as soon as possible is very alarming ... availability There are so far few bastions there that determine ... they will order from above to be withdrawn as well as introduced.

    Personally, I expect any version of the development of the event after the well-known story ...

    1. 210ox
      210ox 26 November 2016 07: 11
      +15
      We have lived without this agreement for seventy years and will still live .. The Kremlin is trying to solve political goals without asking, "Do we need IT?"
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 26 November 2016 08: 08
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        The Kremlin is trying to solve political goals without asking, "Do we need IT?"

        Everything is much simpler, the Japs are being promoted for large investments in the Far East, and then we'll see ... Well, the political goal is to tear Japan away from the United States.
        1. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 26 November 2016 10: 13
          +7
          Everything is much simpler, the Japs are being promoted for large investments in the Far East, and then we'll see ... Well, the political goal is to tear Japan away from the United States.
          So they just have to declare that while American bases are in Japan (in fact, the occupation forces), there will not even be negotiations on transferring the islands. The Yankees will be removed, then you can talk as an independent state. And there is no need to invest in stupid investments , they will not spare a few billion for the construction of some factories, only without normal economic planning these plants will stand idle.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 26 November 2016 10: 25
            +1
            Quote: svd-xnumx
            on stupid investment no need to be conducted, they will not spare a few billion to build some kind of factories, only without normal economic planning, these plants will stand idle

            - and someone here uses words whose meanings they don’t know wink

            Investment is the allocation of capital for the purpose of making a profit.

            Investments differ from loans by the degree of risk for the investor (lender) - the loan and interest will return to the lender on time, regardless of the profitability of the project, investments return and generate income only in profitable projects. If the project is unprofitable - investments may be lost fully or partially

            - Or do you consider the Japanese ... stupid people (by the way, private companies are investors who invest their own money. And they are not at all disposed to lose)
            - or you are one of these ... the Spyrology horse

            A private investor will never invest in a deliberately unprofitable project. Therefore, "factories stand idle" ... will not, use yes
            1. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx 26 November 2016 11: 36
              +2

              0
              Cat Man Null Today, 10:25 ↑
              Quote: svd-xnumx
              it is not necessary to make stupid investments, they will not spare a few billion to build some kind of plants, only these plants will stand idle without normal economic planning

              - and someone here uses words whose meanings do not know wink

              Investment is the allocation of capital for profit.

              Investments differ from loans by the degree of risk for the investor (lender) - the loan and interest will return to the lender on time, regardless of the profitability of the project, the investments are returned and generate income only in profitable projects. If the project is unprofitable, investments may be lost in whole or in part

              - Or do you consider the Japanese ... stupid people (by the way, private companies are investors who invest their own money. And they are not at all disposed to lose)
              - or you are one of these ... the Spyrology horse

              A private investor will never invest in a deliberately unprofitable project. Therefore, "factories stand idle" ... will not, use
              A factory for the production of pots, say, in exchange for a fetish island for the Japanese, and you think someone will think about profit. Someone who wants and can make money is now investing in the Russian economy, and here is a political circus.
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 26 November 2016 15: 20
          +4
          but somehow it’s not good to trade their territories watered with the blood of our soldiers!
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 26 November 2016 20: 27
            +5
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            but somehow it’s not good to trade their territories watered with the blood of our soldiers!

            very well said! And I am sure that the current leadership of Russia will not give up the land for "pots"

            My grandfather died at 45 in battles with the Japanese. I would like to be able to take the daughters of my grandchildren in retirement and maybe take them to those places - to show why their ancestors died. And "no Japanese visa"
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 28 November 2016 22: 51
          0
          Dear Starper! So far, we are being bred, starting with Helsinki-75. We’ll give the islands away - forget about the hidden exit for the nuclear submarines in the Pacific, and maybe the US bases on these islands. Do we need it? And the Japanese spoke for a long time, let them continue on. Japanese business will find its way to us without these victims.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt 26 November 2016 11: 18
        +5
        In the early seventies, student detachments went to Shikotan to clean fish for canned food, and now the island has become a "subject of consideration"? belay What nonsense ?!
      3. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 26 November 2016 12: 33
        +4
        "As you know, the other two islands - Shikotan and Habomai - could theoretically be the subject of a compromise with Tokyo."

        Who knows? The author’s knowledge of strategic issues is simply amazing.
        And if it’s easier, there’s nothing to shake your tongue.
    2. ava09
      ava09 26 November 2016 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Kremlin needs a peace treaty with JAPAN it is obvious

      Where did you see the evidence? "Peace Treaty" is a piece of paper, 70 years have done well without it, and now it is the piece of paper that is the subject of geopolitical bargaining. Japan needs this treaty for at least some progress in foreign policy and positioning itself as a world power, and the Boss presses like the Balts on the bites of Russia. But what is the "Kremlin" for? Perhaps the Trotskyists (who are now covertly called "liberals", but in fact - enemies) in this very Kremlin ...
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 26 November 2016 13: 21
      +3
      And after a couple of years, the UN recognized the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as the inland sea of ​​Russia, I think the deal on the Barents Sea was some kind of compensation. As for me, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is much more important to us, there are more bioresources and plenty of hydrocarbons, plus our boats are constantly grazing there.

      This is if someone did not know!
    4. the most important
      the most important 26 November 2016 16: 49
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The Kremlin needs a peace treaty with JAPAN, this is obvious ..

      But why is he needed then ???? what to give the islands ?? We have lived for 70 years without a peace treaty and we will live for another 170 years! And Dimon, he is like that, out of his "kindness" he will give away everything ... he was not the one who collected Russian lands. And that's what is natural, those who collect their lands to anyone and never give them away, for this remain in the memory of the people. And those who distribute right and left are not honored to be remembered with a kind word. The drunk has already erupted in his grave and no mausoleums will help him.
    5. VadimSt
      VadimSt 26 November 2016 20: 43
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      So we are now observing the invisible work of diplomats, intelligence, military and officials from the side of RUSSIA and the political elite of JAPAN on the other hand.
      Tell me where you can observe the "hidden work invisible to us"?
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 November 2016 06: 59
    +5
    Russia has announced the deployment of the Bastion and Ball missiles on two of the four islands of the Kuril Ridge claimed by Japan: Iturupe and Kunashir.


    This is a direct and "thick" answer to the Ipenites - we will not give up the islands.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 November 2016 08: 52
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      This is a direct and "thick" answer to the Ipenites - we will not give up the islands.

      Which we will give and which we will not give?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 26 November 2016 10: 24
        +1
        Which we will give and which we will not give?


        Do you have doubts? We won’t give up any.
        1. Neputin
          Neputin 26 November 2016 11: 21
          +2
          Many have doubts. And many would love you to be right. But the decisions are not made by us and not by you, unfortunately.
          1. Neputin
            Neputin 26 November 2016 11: 32
            +3
            If you look at the map, it turns out that the basis of the Kuril ridge is the islands of Kunashir, Iturup, Urun, etc. along the ridge. Shikotan and Habomai islands are located south of the main ridge, as it were, closer to Hokkaido. Give people truthful information about how the border will change with the transfer of the islands of Shikotan and Habomai, economic zones and so on, what will change militarily, i.e. what we risk and our real geopolitical losses, as well as what we gain as a result of this. Without any "urya-patriotic" slogans like: "We do not trade in territories," but also without "fucking up the polymers." Surely there is such information and our management owns it. Tell people at least once in your life the whole truth and explain why you decided so, and the people will figure it out if you trade in territories or defend the geopolitical interests of the country even by losing 2 small islands.
            1. Volzhanin
              Volzhanin 29 November 2016 20: 27
              0
              This is when the authorities in Russia told the people the truth? And not only in Russia. What kind of nonsense? That way every cook will be able to lead the state! Any power rests on blatant lies, and in the conditions of wild oligarchic capitalism the opinion of cattle, you’ll kill people, nobody is going to take into account in principle.
    2. De laert
      De laert 26 November 2016 09: 32
      +1
      Everything goes to what we give back. Not four, but two, but we will give it back under some conditions
  3. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 26 November 2016 07: 11
    +3
    There is no doubt that the bargaining is underway, and not so much economic as geopolitical. As far as I understand, apart from expanding the sea area towards Russia, this is, of course, primarily fish and other marine resources, but no more. Nevertheless, it is not worth giving away, after all, this is Russia, in the end it is better to try, as an option, joint "exploitation". islands
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 26 November 2016 08: 31
      +8
      Quote: avg-mgn
      it is of course primarily fish and other marine resources, but no more


      It is not only fish resources! These islands are of strategic importance, transforming the Sea of ​​Okhotsk into the inland sea of ​​Russia. And access to the ocean. We will give these islands away and the American fleet will immediately be at our Far Eastern shores! While our islands - the entrance to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is closed to foreign navies!
      In addition, the initiative to transfer these islands does not come from Japan, but from the United States! Under the USSR, the Japanese did not particularly want to take these islands. Why did they not even stutter about the islands under Stalin? Stalin was generally invited to pick up Hokkaido, it is a pity that he did not agree!
      So it is not worth scattering "Kemsky volosts"!
  4. saltickov.
    saltickov. 26 November 2016 07: 37
    +5
    Well, here they are the Overton windows, from the beginning the joint use then you didn’t stand here, who the hell did, it will be so if we go to all sorts of compromises.
  5. Knowing
    Knowing 26 November 2016 07: 38
    +5
    However, they probably read: "The head of the Russian state noted that the Kuril Islands passed to Russia following the results of World War II, because they are a sovereign territory, which is officially confirmed in documents of international law ..." Everything else is chatter.
  6. 1vlad19
    1vlad19 26 November 2016 07: 44
    +7
    Of course, they won’t give up the islands, there the Pacific Fleet’s ships went out to the Pacific Ocean, and huge stocks of seafood. Do not make analogies with the transfer of. Tarabarov and parts of about. B. Ussuriysky, there is a different story, if it had not been agreed, after 5 years Kazakevicheva’s channel fused with the Chinese coast and had a border near Khabarovsk. I served there, I know.
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 26 November 2016 08: 05
    +7
    Maybe while in a state of war with Japan, Hokkaido and push? soldier winked lol laughing Let's wave a nuclear club in front of our nose and put an ultimatum repeat ...
    This is all a joke, of course, but for me personally, I agree with those who say that they lived without a contract for half a century, without a contract and will continue to live. request
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 November 2016 09: 01
      0
      Quote: Rurikovich
      This is all a joke, of course, but for me personally, I agree with those who say that they lived without a contract for half a century, without a contract and will continue to live.

      The article clearly states that Shikotan and the Habomai archipelago are the subject of discussion, Putin mentioned the 1956 treaty a couple of times.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 26 November 2016 13: 50
        0
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Putin mentioned the 1956 treaty a couple of times.

        I think that after the words that Russia does not trade in territories, Putin will not agree to a "paper in exchange for Yaguzhinskaya" agreement. And he mentioned, in my opinion, only in the sense that the Japanese at one time had a chance. Now, against the background of territorial claims, Putin is not so shortsighted that he will simply give up the islands in exchange for a treaty. Give two today, tomorrow they will demand two more request
  8. Dinko
    Dinko 26 November 2016 08: 58
    +3
    Obviously, one is not going to give anything to the Japanese! At least because a powerful military group is being created in the Kuril Islands.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 26 November 2016 10: 45
    +3
    And if Japan now begins to talk about the imaginary "Russian threat", then all the talk about the peace treaty and some kind of solution - not yet found, but with the desire to find it - can be put aside. "

    Well, Japan has already formally protested the deployment of our missiles and what's next. They were culturally answered that on our territory, we decide what we should do. And now let the Japanese think how to talk with us - politely, or to declare protests? When an ally of fascist Germany, the loser in the 2nd MV (and the Soviet defeated the Kwantung army) begins to pump up rights, then such a negotiator should be discussed from the perspective of international laws adopted after surrender. You never know what Khrushchev at one time messed up with the 1956 treaty and the Crimea in the same year.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 27 November 2016 15: 56
      0
      In Crimea, Khrushchev pulverized corn in the 1954 year, with the withdrawal of troops from Austria - to 1955 (opened the border to the West to the Hungarians, which in the autumn of 1956 came around with a lot of blood), and in the 1956 the queue reached the Kuril Islands. Moron, b. (as Lavrov later said on a different occasion).
      1. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 29 November 2016 20: 34
        +1
        Yeah, so much mischief beetle country has done that only gadonysh humpback and drunkards gnidoshka EBN it surpassed.
        Even the bastards of the Romanovs did not do so much rubbish, like this vile trinity from the Communist Party.
  10. mi ah
    mi ah 26 November 2016 11: 47
    +9
    I don’t understand, to the question of the islands, what compromise is possible here? The following compromises will immediately arise - the Kaliningrad region - Germany, Izborsk and Pechora - Estonia, and so on. Let's give slack to the islands, just multiply the problems.
  11. RASKAT
    RASKAT 26 November 2016 13: 28
    +2
    And in a few years, we will build a base on the island of Matua, also with coastal missile systems, in general, no one will get into our Sea of ​​Okhotsk. angry
  12. muhomor
    muhomor 26 November 2016 16: 24
    0
    And for me, this way you can return a couple of islands, if the Japanese:
    -confirm their non-nuclear and non-aligned status good
    - ALL foreign troops will be withdrawn soldier
    -pay a certain amount for property and infrastructure wink
    - leave our bases on the transmitted islands to protect the straits bully
    -sign an agreement on special rights to the economic zone
    1. ZAV69
      ZAV69 26 November 2016 21: 28
      +2
      Oh well. Today they confirmed, tomorrow they denounced. Won the countries of eastern Europe non-aligned status. Now everything is in NATO.
  13. Phoenix_L'vov
    Phoenix_L'vov 26 November 2016 19: 18
    0
    Oh, and the Japanese will play out ...
  14. Gost171
    Gost171 26 November 2016 22: 09
    +1
    As Ostap Ibrahimovic said, from the vest of the sleeve and from the dead donkey ears, maybe even, because there are from ..... ears, and indeed ... our language is rich. Kuril Islands-Russia
  15. Phosgene
    Phosgene 27 November 2016 10: 37
    0
    The absence of a formal peace treaty of the Russian Federation does not interfere. Even if it is concluded, Japan may violate it at any time, as has already happened more than once, so such an agreement is not even worth the paper on which it can be written. The Kuril Islands are needed by Russia itself, for many reasons, from military to economic. The transfer of the Kuril Islands to Japan will be regarded as treason.
  16. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 27 November 2016 15: 51
    0
    It was necessary to place missiles on all islands; bargaining is inappropriate here. Let the Japanese start a new war if they are dissatisfied with the result of the past and begin to set their conditions for us. And to hell with us this agreement, can someone clearly explain?
  17. nakhtigalsif
    nakhtigalsif 27 November 2016 18: 37
    0
    I can admit that the narrow-eyed "Pokemon" also exhaust their profit ... Kuril-Kurils, and the American occupation troops are still on the islands and the Pokémon are shaking very hard ... To a pain in the brain. What if they are waiting for the wanged utilization of the USA, and then they will shake our little hands ... And then on your ever-expanding thinking (it is possible and logically) ...
    Well, it is, assumptions ...
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  19. Ru72Ru
    Ru72Ru 27 November 2016 19: 35
    0
    Quote: Ru72Ru
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Maybe while in a state of war with Japan, Hokkaido and push? soldier winked lol laughing Let's wave a nuclear club in front of our nose and put an ultimatum repeat ...
    This is all a joke, of course, but for me personally, I agree with those who say that they lived without a contract for half a century, without a contract and will continue to live. request

    The enemies have forgotten in what corner of the US there is a nuclear club, it is sometimes necessary to remind.