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In Russia, problems with recruitment into the army are expected because of the “failure in demography” in the 90s

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Vladimir Putin predicted problems with recruiting into the armed forces due to the disastrous demographic situation in 90, reports RIA News.


In Russia, problems with recruitment into the army are expected because of the “failure in demography” in the 90s


“We all know and remember well, in 90's we had a big failure in demographics. In this regard, we will have problems in the near future even with recruitment. Because this trend of failures, it will make itself felt through ... it makes itself felt now, in the near future ",
President said at the final action forum ONF.

At the same time, he noted that, starting from 2007, the birth rate in Russia began to grow, and "in the last three years, natural population growth began."

“This is a great achievement for you,” Putin added.

“Let me remind you that in these (90-s) years, our population was reduced by about a million people - more than 900 thousands per year, the population of Russia became smaller and smaller, smaller and smaller - by a million. Imagine? Nightmare! The UN experts said that to us, that somewhere by 2020, we will have somewhere 140 million people due to a permanent decrease of a million. We have broken this trend with you, ”said the head of state.
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  1. 31R-US
    31R-US 23 November 2016 16: 53
    +42
    Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.
    1. cniza
      cniza 23 November 2016 16: 55
      +36
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.


      If only in the construction battalion, there will be very little sense.
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 23 November 2016 17: 00
        +13
        Apparently, they will take in the army older guys from among those who did not serve, because we have the draft age for ordinary members of 27 years.
        1. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 23 November 2016 20: 32
          +27
          At the same time, he noted that, starting from 2007, the birth rate in Russia began to grow, and "in the last three years, natural population growth began."
          Chechnya, Kabarda, Ossetia, and other northern Caucasian regions are growing, in the native Russian lands, villages have died out and are dying out, and if there is growth, then due to migrants.
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 23 November 2016 20: 56
            +1
            In villages, less than a quarter of the population of the Russian Federation lives. And in the Russian territories and regions this percentage is even less. Moreover, rather large large villages and rural centers are also referred to rural settlements.
            In little Ossetia, by the way, the birth rate of Orthodox Ossetians is not very high.
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 24 November 2016 04: 44
          +1
          Today we have a turn to the draft board. But the contract is generally a problem, it’s very hard to get
      2. Vz.58
        Vz.58 23 November 2016 22: 16
        +4
        Stroybat is not an army, but free slaves. Use from them like a goat dissertation
    2. 210ox
      210ox 23 November 2016 16: 56
      +17
      What will they do in the army? There are no gellers and no bentley .. Re-education? Better at a sawmill .. I would not allow them to defend the country.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 23 November 2016 17: 43
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        What will they do in the army? There are no gellers and no bentley .. Re-education? Better at a sawmill .. I would not allow them to defend the country.

        Yes, they can’t be trusted with a saw yet, and they’re cutting off their hands, ....................................
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 23 November 2016 18: 08
          +24
          Chubais with all the “pure” pseudo-market liberals in Russia must be judged and punished to the fullest - for “unborn” children and untimely Russians who have passed away during the years of their reforms in the Russian Federation!
          Gaidar and Chubais said that for the sake of “reforms” against communism, i.e. for the sake of betraying the national interests of their country - Russia - one can simply sacrifice 30 million living citizens of Russia with a fatal outcome. And about those who are not born in Russia - because of these pro-American reforms in the interests of the United States and the collective West - they have not even voiced!
          Chubais and the whole “liberal” Co., together with him, killed more people in Russia during the years of “reforms” than the Soviet population died during the Second World War, or just as much!
          Gorbachev is also not worth burying in the Russian Federation! Let the traitor and traitor Gorbachev rest in the cemetery of those countries to which he sold himself and served faithfully. Let his foreign masters take care of his grave at home!

          See “Chubais and Gorbachev-agents of British intelligence MI-6”
        2. Nick
          Nick 23 November 2016 19: 08
          +3
          Quote: Pirogov
          Yes, they can’t be trusted with a saw either, and they’re cutting off their hands

          Better eggs, so as not to produce degenerates ...
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 23 November 2016 20: 53
            +3
            Quote: Nick
            Better eggs, so as not to produce degenerates ...

            I agree !!!!, and everyone urgently needs to go to the EU there they love such people and they like to live there.
        3. raivo1960
          raivo1960 23 November 2016 20: 15
          0
          Saw off nothing! Where necessary so their hands are in place! Will adapt!
        4. CHUK
          CHUK 24 November 2016 12: 54
          +1
          The more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense.
      2. The black
        The black 23 November 2016 18: 23
        +5
        I don’t know where and how, but in our military commissariat, it’s the turn ... including for the term ...
        1. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 23 November 2016 22: 30
          +4
          What is he talking about? Yes, you just count ...
          In 2017, what year of birth is being called? 1999? We have already crossed the pit of the 90s.
          Draftees of the 90s of birth have served almost everything. Now the call is normal, almost mowing.
          And my son served an urgent summer in the summer. Now already under the contract serves.
      3. In100gram
        In100gram 23 November 2016 19: 52
        0
        Quote: 210ox
        Better at the sawmill .. For the defense of the country, I would not have allowed them.

        Unloading potatoes in the rear support services and coal also need to be called upon. Yes, and drivers are needed
        1. Amra
          Amra 23 November 2016 20: 55
          +2
          It’s definitely not necessary there))) They will sell and plunder EVERYTHING))) Dad taught already)) And your army will be ..... You’d better put them in detachments — only in front — to cover normal soldiers))) While they will be beaten - the rest will run to the enemy))
    3. Thirteenth
      Thirteenth 23 November 2016 17: 00
      +24
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.



      Do you understand what you said? It is in Britain that princes serve in the army and even go to war, while in Russia, those born with a golden spoon in the ass study at MGIMO and Moscow State University and at the same time water their country!
      1. CooL_SnipeR
        CooL_SnipeR 23 November 2016 17: 56
        +5
        There’s no need to drive to Moscow State University ... I’m from the provinces myself (the city is the hero Yasny where Satan stands) ... without exams I entered the Moscow State University (incentive prize of the Olympiad in Astrophysics in 98). So I'm not gold ... and hundreds of people I talked to are far from gold. 80% of students at the physics department are nonresident. Maybe at some law school, etc. - I don’t argue ... Maybe now everything has changed - I’m X ... but at the applied faculties there are adequate people and much more adequate than the people with whom I studied at school and had to communicate in the city. And I can say that I live even after the crisis much better than my parents lived. So I'm not a liverstrast.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 23 November 2016 18: 40
          +10
          CooL_SnipeR
          I can say that I live even after the crisis much better than my PARENTS lived. So I'm not a liverstrast.
          Treat! And how do you feel about pro-Western liberals of consumption! Because your brains moved away from teaching the market ideology of Milton Friedman in our Russian universities!
          You think in fragments! You do not know how to compare facts in time and combine them dialectically together.
          They compared, also to me, the USSR and Gorbachev's perestroika so-called. "new thinking" with the present time! 25 years have passed since 1991! You might think that the USSR would still stand still in its development in 2016, as it was in 1986 before M.S. Grbachev and the collapse of the country! You are generally in your mind in this sense, you are our educated, what kind of nonsense are you talking about ?!
          1. dauria
            dauria 23 November 2016 18: 48
            0
            You might think that the USSR would still stand still in its development in 2016,


            Do you know, Tatyana, what amused? In the USSR, it was also customary to compare everything with 1913. lol (Chur me, I'm not a liberalist !!!!)

            And how to think "fragmentarily"? There is an exact expression "I couldn't see the forest behind the trees." Suitable?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 November 2016 19: 04
              +2
              dauria
              Do you know, Tatyana, what amused? In the USSR, it was also customary to compare everything with 1913. lol (Chur me, I'm not a liberalist !!!!)
              To statistics, as I understand it, your words do not apply, but relate to reasoning at your personal household level, and in a religious and priestly environment! These always did not forget what privileges they lost in 1917.
              And the rest compared the difficult years immediately after the war - after the Second World War - with the years of reconstruction of the country from ruin and with all that bright and prosperous that was then in the country!
              You are a monarchist, dauria, and your entourage was the same believer! That's all! If you "monarchist" the country, then you will also be destroyers - no better than the liberals.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 23 November 2016 19: 25
                +1
                dauria
                And how to think "fragmentarily"? There is an exact expression "I couldn't see the forest behind the trees." Suitable?
                Dialectically almost yes - "you can't see the forest behind individual trees"! And “fragmentarily, at the everyday level, we understand the knowledge of individual facts in history, which do not even try to link together by a cause-and-effect relationship, skipping and excluding entire periods of the history of their country, as if they did not exist at all. remain mentally and psychologically in the "childhood" age of up to 3 years - children who have not yet learned to deceive anyone in life, because they do not see the connections of events.
                1. sabakina
                  sabakina 23 November 2016 20: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: CooL_SnipeR
                  There’s no need to drive to Moscow State University ... I’m from the provinces myself (the city is the hero Yasny where Satan stands) ... without exams I entered the Moscow State University (incentive prize of the Olympiad in Astrophysics in 98).

                  Tricky question.
                  "Where is Moscow-Kasseopia and what kind of starship did they fly?"
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 24 November 2016 00: 20
                    0
                    It seems to me that I have never watched this children's film at all. I was more and more interested in love. At the age of 11 she read "Spartacus" by Giovagnoli, and at the age of 11 or at the age of 12 she read A. Tolstoy's trilogy "Walking through the agony". These books left a strong impression on me! Then it went like that. And, of course, I honestly read everything that was supposed to be in history and literature at school. Nonsense, divorced from real life, did not interest me.
                    Thank you for the tip on this children's film! I’ll definitely see what kind of movie it is.
              2. dauria
                dauria 23 November 2016 21: 19
                0
                You are a monarchist, dauria, and your environment was the same believer!

                wink You quickly make diagnoses. Student boy, you have a three-year-old child, I am a monarchist. Well, what if he lays it? Mother collects a student a bag, give him Vanka, a platoon (a monarchist or a communist, not me, I’m really old) and put them, smart and stupid in one hole, so much that you’ll howl. Will not be ashamed?

                Yes, there you go. I laughed with the 13th year
                "There will be 740 gas stoves in it alone.
                That is, exactly 740 times more than it was in our entire city before 1913 "
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 24 November 2016 02: 14
                  0
                  dauria
                  You quickly make diagnoses.
                  I had good teachers at the university - they taught me when reading a text to understand its meaning between the lines, namely, what the author does not agree on and in whose interests.
                  Student boy you have a three year old child

                  Only here it is not necessary to breed demagoguery! I have claims both to the degenerate quality of current education in the Russian Federation, and to the most adult male consumer as a citizen of my country. He is not exactly a three-year-old child - he himself could have learned to think in essence.
                  I am a monarchist.

                  Is not it so? Indeed so.
                  Well, what if he lays it down? Mother collects a student a bag, give him Vanka, a platoon (a monarchist or a communist, not me, I’m really old) and put them, smart and stupid in one hole, so much that you’ll howl. Will not be ashamed?

                  Do not dissemble, dauria, and do not transfer the arrows of your guilt as extremist monarchists to others in the current situation clericalization Russia with the Russian Orthodox Church!
                  And generally speaking! In vain you, dauria, were offended by me that I told you the truth in your forehead! Your monarchist-religious Orthodox ZKSTREMISM and the modern pro-Western market and educational trend in Russian universities are the path to a civil war and to the loss by Russia of its sovereignty and geopolitical statehood. Did you want to step on the "rake" for the third time in the history of Russia? I don’t. Therefore, I warn you and your supporters, to which all this will lead.

                  US plan to destroy Russia (Houston project, Harvard project)
          2. Vz.58
            Vz.58 23 November 2016 22: 24
            +1
            You know how to read and write, you know how to arithmetic and you know how to take care of yourself and your family, without a pointer from above? You are an enemy, a fist and an intellectual! And this is not forgiven in Russia!
          3. CooL_SnipeR
            CooL_SnipeR 24 November 2016 12: 58
            0
            Which freedman? I kind of wrote in Russian in white what faculty I studied. And so let’s be without insults and that I have gone where Madame has gone. Nobody gave you the right to judge me. And judging by what has been written, the exclusivity of thinking smells only from you.
        2. guzik007
          guzik007 23 November 2016 19: 36
          +5
          from not NADA (O)! to drive to Moscow State University ... I’m from the province myself (the city is the hero Yasny where Satan stands) ... without exams I entered the Moscow State University (encouraging (e) !! Award of the Astrophysics Olympiad in 98)
          ---------------------------------------------
          That’s what I’m watching, recently our science has taken off ahead ...
          With such shots ...
          RS. I am silent about punctuation marks ...
        3. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 23 November 2016 22: 34
          +2
          You can write off your spelling errors on your smartphone (all are sinful). But the commas failed ... nda. Plus, the general style of commentary ... Does not attract to higher education. And the nickname for a person who graduated from a metropolitan university is somewhat strange. S?
          1. CooL_SnipeR
            CooL_SnipeR 24 November 2016 13: 12
            0
            Quote: Ecilop
            Does not pull on higher education

            And I’m not a philologist, according to Russian literature at school 5/5 ... so I don’t have to mix me up with humanities. Communication style? So what? Everyone should and must write because do you perceive Nick award, Tim Fortres played well, in addition, I have excellent command of weapons. Grandfather in the second was a radio sniper. True, not in the east, but with the Japs.
            I’ve read not only you ... something I didn’t get the impression that someone would study at least in the Mississa, and I don’t even speak about MSU. And I have no desire to engage in polemics.
            Do you know who the MSU stent is? You can approach and talk to any unfamiliar student, everyone is sociable and cultural. I do not argue, there are individual individuals, but there are really few of them. Of course, as I have already said, I didn’t communicate with anyone from the humanities (only from the historical and geological) ... but among the rest, I had many friends with the chemical, mechmath, high school, etc. By the way, they called me to transfer to the VMK, because I was given a good ruler (algebra, if someone did not understand).
    4. sandroart
      sandroart 23 November 2016 17: 12
      +4
      There is a contract service for this, so that there are no "gaps in demography"
    5. Makarov
      Makarov 23 November 2016 17: 21
      +1
      Peter the First has already tried ... awakening ... you need to get smart ...
    6. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 23 November 2016 17: 54
      0
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.


      And not only, Chechens and Dagestanis are rushing into the army, why they are reluctant to take them, they need to be corrected, they are the same citizens of Russia as conscripts from other regions
      1. Thirteenth
        Thirteenth 23 November 2016 18: 00
        +4
        they are the same citizens of Russia as conscripts from other regions



        The same, de not quite.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 23 November 2016 19: 03
          +6
          in my battery there was a cauldron of nations (the Caucasus - 50%, the rest is Tuvans, Buryats, Kalmyks and a few Russians) - I will say this necessary business after a while. Before the army, I rather adhered to nationalist views (life with the military registration and enlistment office was sent to me by sending me to school in a squaw). Without tenacity, of course - but it directly froze me when I heard lezginka and saw a dancing Caucasus. When in a minibus looking back I saw representatives of other nationalities.

          Having served in the part where I represented the national minority of Russians)) there were 20 percent of us. I changed my vision regarding this issue and realized that there were about the same number of monkeys per 100 people among us and other nationalities.

          Earlier hearing - there are no bad nations - I thought yeah, how come.

          Now I smile as I walk past the dancing lezginka! Nostalgia will build up, the mood will rise.

          And I noticed that somehow that attitude also changed - and without words - apparently it was evident to me that I did not like them. Now absolutely everything is adequate (not that I would have clung to them before - but we gave each other with always-going looks that are not credible.)

          I squeezed out nationalism and a sense of superiority. We are all human and all of us have blood flowing. The rest - features of geography - no more.

          Well, when I thought about it about everything - I realized what to present to a person for the place of his birth - this is how to present to God. For it does not depend on us where we are born.

          In general, I came to the conclusion that it is time to squeeze out all these vicious thoughts of superiority)

          So the Caucasus should serve - like the others. We all must be cooked in one pot - through conflicts and so on - so that over time we will be strengthened in this regard by a sense of unity and a common goal - freedom and prosperity of our Motherland.

          And you will look at all these conflicts after the army with irony (well, in all of course cases there are exceptions, but the vector will be true)
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 23 November 2016 19: 22
            +3
            Well, I could not stand the Baltic states. repeat They just dispersed their nationalism at that time. And then I came across two Latvians on my life path. One is a teacher at the university, and the second is a sergeant in the army. One, of course, that beetle was, but quite normal and adequate man. The second - he was protecting us from our grandfathers in the oven, as he could. Moreover, his grandfathers were on the drum by the drum, as he was younger than them by their service life. In our unit, the sergeant could grab one or two lule from grandfathers. But this Latvian was respected and he was not afraid to protect the young. Th, then I had a distortion in my brain and passed.
            It is not a matter of nationalities, but of the processing that the Nazis carry out for themselves with specific practical goals - to prevent rapprochement of their peoples with the Russian Federation. People deliberately quarrel for specific and simple goals. Natsik convinced, of course, there is everywhere, but the majority of the population is simple - it is processed through the media and education. hi
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 23 November 2016 20: 28
              +4
              Having served in the part where I represented the national minority of Russians)) there were 20 percent of us. I changed my vision regarding this issue and realized that there were about the same number of monkeys per 100 people among us and other nationalities.

              I did not serve in the unit with the Caucasus, but my jaw on a civilian still reminds me who my friend is! Lezgin further! And we will be in our own way!
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 23 November 2016 21: 02
            +1
            Totally agree with you! However, the question is: how does the Ministry of Defense allow subunits and units to exist, where Russians are 20%, if Russians make up 80% of the country's population? In theory, there should be some kind of monitoring of the national composition of military units?
      2. Vz.58
        Vz.58 23 November 2016 22: 27
        +1
        No work, no money. I want to eat, Yes, and closer to weapons. An order will come from the mullah, they will be ready
    7. sherp2015
      sherp2015 23 November 2016 18: 11
      +3
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.

      Yes, there are no failures, based on the needs of the Ministry of Defense.
      Everything will be fine...
    8. Homo
      Homo 23 November 2016 19: 04
      0
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.

      And again the same rake! Absolutely dumb comment and a lot of advantages under it! Well, tell me, why the hell in the army is a herd of stupid, spoiled, crooked and brainless? am
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 23 November 2016 19: 58
        +1
        Quote: Homo
        And again the same rake! Absolutely dumb comment and a lot of advantages under it! Well, tell me, why the hell in the army is a herd of stupid, spoiled, crooked and brainless?

        Through melting pots like the army, all the gold dissolves
        Quote: Homo
        It is not a matter of nationalities, but of the processing that the Nazis carry out for themselves with specific practical goals - to prevent rapprochement of their peoples with the Russian Federation.
    9. moskowit
      moskowit 23 November 2016 20: 45
      +1
      Right. The law is the same for everyone. The main requirement is the observance of the service according to the charter. And all the "thieves" will immediately "fade". When the Law, the Charter prevails! And none of the elders will be allowed to "indulge" ... As soon as anyone ... has the opportunity to analyze the illegal actions of their superiors, wait for illegal speeches ...
    10. kapitan92
      kapitan92 23 November 2016 21: 33
      +3
      Quote: 31R-US
      Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.

      Golden youth have never served in the USSR either, and you want to attract them into the ranks under the current "market" relations.
      The service life must be increased and quickly transferred to a contractual basis. Something like this.
    11. iouris
      iouris 24 November 2016 00: 27
      0
      "Golden Youth" should be sent to New York - let them do street racing there.
  2. Sergey K.
    Sergey K. 23 November 2016 16: 54
    +2
    Problems due to the demographic crisis are undoubtedly present. BUT scary from what generation is growing now. "Sweet" boys with uncut bangs and rolled up jeans all the time. They are not only in the army, it is scary to give them to a convent.
    1. Thirteenth
      Thirteenth 23 November 2016 17: 07
      +14
      "Sweet" boys with uncut bangs and rolled up jeans all the time. They are not only in the army, it is scary to give them to a convent.


      Don't talk nonsense! The normal generation is growing! At least in the provinces, "sweet" little boys are rare. Halfpid in half-shoes is a trend in big cities. We have, thank God, everything is OK.
      1. sandroart
        sandroart 23 November 2016 17: 14
        +7
        Yeah, everything is OK, we are stupidly alcohol-addicted in adidas) I don’t see the difference
        1. Thirteenth
          Thirteenth 23 November 2016 17: 21
          +12
          From extreme to extreme. Either "sweet boys" or "alcoholized morons"! There are, of course, both, but these are statistics. For every thousand good people, there are necessarily ten utyrks. In general, the youth of the pre-conscription and draft age is quite decent. And by the way, the overwhelming majority of the army goes with great desire.
      2. Sergey K.
        Sergey K. 23 November 2016 17: 16
        +6
        Don't talk nonsense!

        I am very glad that you have everything, as you say OK.
        A normal growing generation!

        No one argues that you have it is not normal.
        Look back 30 years ago, when it was a shame not to serve in the army, and look now, 50% of those who simply bought a military ID or have discarded for health reasons work in companies. Every LGBD community, from their point of view, also considers itself normal. I mean that some young people, looking to the West, get the wrong "values" for themselves, and as a result we get transgender people, transvestites, gnomics and other b ... sts that are not even ashamed of it.
        Half-fidget in half-sneakers is a trend of big cities.

        And where do you think the majority of the population lives? Are not in big cities?
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 23 November 2016 17: 25
          +2
          If someone controlled which values ​​are "those" and which are not "those", moreover, not stupidly in the forehead, but with various tricky and fascinating youth things and organizations, then there would be no such problems ... in this case, you can take an example from Israel ... their youth organizations educate patriots all over the world and it is very interesting there ...
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 November 2016 18: 21
            +4
            "take an example from Israel ... their youth organizations educate patriots around the world" ///

            Patriotism is needed, of course, but this is not enough ...
            Like Putin, understanding the difficult situation - the lack of draftees -
            nevertheless signs decrees on the creation of new mechanized divisions and
            huge guard called? Who will serve in them?
            In Israel, with rapid population growth and 1/3 of the country's youth,
            every new battalion is straining.
            I would concentrate on strengthening the existing brigades of airborne assault forces, naval infantry, gru, tank crews with new equipment, equipment, communications, electronic intelligence, etc.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 23 November 2016 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              "take an example from Israel ... their youth organizations educate patriots around the world" ///

              Patriotism is needed, of course, but this is not enough ...
              Like Putin, understanding the difficult situation - the lack of draftees -
              nevertheless signs decrees on the creation of new mechanized divisions and
              huge guard called? Who will serve in them?
              In Israel, with rapid population growth and 1/3 of the country's youth,
              every new battalion is straining.

              Alexey, what do you think, in Russia, no ........ in the RSFSR there are few men with a spring from the Belarus tractor? " wink
            2. Makarov
              Makarov 24 November 2016 00: 33
              0
              Well, in Israel, in addition to the obligatory service for citizens, regardless of gender, there are also private "security" organizations ... such strong guys in black T-shirts ... and there are a lot of them, this partly relieves the issue, partly the issue is solved by the scale of the state ... although I must say the challenges there are also serious ...
        2. Thirteenth
          Thirteenth 23 November 2016 17: 37
          0
          Quote: Sergey K.
          50% of those who simply bought or rejected a military ticket for health reasons work in companies. From their point of view, any LGBD community also considers itself normal.



          I completely agree. And yet, what percentage of the total number of young people is occupied by the stratum of office plankton and lovers of LGBT values? I think that it is not very big. And yes, Russia has plunged into European civilization and European "values" and it is not surprising that a part of society took this filth and abomination as their own. I say that for every thousand people, there is necessarily a dozen garbage. Statistics however!
        3. In100gram
          In100gram 23 November 2016 20: 03
          0
          Quote: Sergey K.
          I mean that some young people, looking to the West, draw the wrong "values" for themselves, and as a result we get transgender people, transvestites, gnomics and other ...

          This is considered an anomaly in our country. And the fact that this is covered in various media as a norm, "do not read newspapers in the morning, they have a bad effect on digestion (c)"
      3. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 November 2016 21: 06
        0
        And in big cities there are also a minority.
        Do not forget that in large cities people live more than in rural areas and small cities, fewer taken. It is time to realize that Russia is primarily a country of large (with a population of over 100 thousand people) cities. And in rural areas, only a quarter of the population lives.
      4. Vz.58
        Vz.58 23 November 2016 22: 32
        +1
        Everything in shirts and ports. Which are the most OK, those barefoot. Sorry, forgot. OK etozh Americanism, betrayal of house-building
  3. 210ox
    210ox 23 November 2016 16: 54
    +3
    And who wished to go on a contract has diminished? I strongly doubt it. Because contract workers can close this gap. Here in the south we are full of unemployed youth ..
    1. 31R-US
      31R-US 23 November 2016 17: 00
      +6
      Contracts babosy have to pay, and conscripts repay debt to their homeland.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 23 November 2016 17: 08
        +1
        Yes, it’s necessary. But what’s more important are the butterflies or the defense ..? For some especially chosen ones, the answer is obvious, and this is not defense ..
        Quote: 31R-US
        Contracts babosy have to pay, and conscripts repay debt to their homeland.
      2. Thirteenth
        Thirteenth 23 November 2016 17: 55
        +2
        and conscripts repay debt to their homeland


        For a whole year. It's funny! In a year, a soldier only "enters" the service, begins to understand technology, and the skill of working with it appears. And then bam, second shift. the demobilization arrived in time.
      3. corporal
        corporal 24 November 2016 01: 30
        0
        Quote: 31R-US
        repay a debt

        Which did not occupy. wassat
  4. the most important
    the most important 23 November 2016 16: 54
    +6
    In Russia, the main problems are: 1. fools 2. roads 3. insatiable bureaucrats
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 November 2016 16: 58
      +5
      Which of these problems relates to the shortage of draftees?
      Quote: the most important
      In Russia, the main problems are: 1. fools 2. roads 3. insatiable bureaucrats
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 November 2016 17: 01
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Which of these problems relates to the shortage of draftees?

        -Appliances!
        - 28!
        - What is 28?
        What about appliances? laughing
    2. 31R-US
      31R-US 23 November 2016 17: 03
      +1
      I would add the Internet
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 15
      +1
      In Russia, one problem is greedy stupid thieves of Russophobia in power.
  5. cniza
    cniza 23 November 2016 16: 54
    +4
    “We all know and remember well, in the 90s we had a great failure in demography. In this regard, we will have problems with recruiting in the army in the near future.


    Only contractors will help solve this problem.
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 23 November 2016 17: 06
      +1
      Yes, I agree, with the problems of recruiting conscripts, it will be necessary to increase the number of contractors.
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 23 November 2016 20: 07
        0
        Quote: Sagittarius
        Yes, I agree, with the problems of recruiting conscripts, it will be necessary to increase the number of contractors.

        I think that is good. In the Union there were also parts cropped, and full BG
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 23 November 2016 20: 23
        +1
        Yes, I agree, with the problems of recruiting conscripts, it will be necessary to increase the number of contractors.

        Actually, why are conscripts in the army? You cannot make a specialist out of him in a year, unless you train him as a reserve (you won’t prepare for a modern technological warfare). Most likely you need to focus on the states. He served 5 years under the contract and have the right to free education at the university, if you want. In general, we need state policy for the army - which army does the state need. If professional then conscripts are not needed there.
  6. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 23 November 2016 16: 55
    +3
    You can catch the mowing 25-27-year-olds and you can go through the pit. smile
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 23 November 2016 17: 00
      +2
      Who will catch them? The police do not want to deal with them, now they have been greatly reduced, and there has been more work, and the military commissariats have few opportunities for this. They themselves will not come until 27 knocks.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 November 2016 17: 05
        +3
        Quote: Tatar 174
        Who will catch them? The police do not want to deal with them, now they have been greatly reduced, and there has been more work, and the military commissariats have few opportunities for this.

        In various warm places, with warm posts there are so many gold majors that they can be equipped with several gold divisions. yes
  7. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 23 November 2016 17: 05
    +9
    To increase the birth rate, it is necessary to create conditions for society. First of all, the need to create jobs with a normal level of remuneration. Baby today is a luxury! Especially after paying utility bills and going to the grocery store. Therefore, young families and stay on one child.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 November 2016 17: 12
      +7
      Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
      Baby today is a luxury!

      It’s enough to repeat this mantra, whoever wants children, has one who doesn’t want, someone is guilty all the time (unless, of course, his health is in order). request
      Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
      Therefore, young families and stay on one child.

      Young people now, many, very many, unfortunately, are egoists, they have not yet "walked up", "tired", "are making a career", etc. And the pressure from the side of society on such families, as on the abnormal, decreased. Now, the absence of children does not bother anyone, but you say one.
      1. Yuriy Nikolayevich
        Yuriy Nikolayevich 23 November 2016 17: 51
        +11
        If you notice, then I do not blame anyone. But, based on your words, you do not see anything.
        Or are you satisfied with utility bills? More precisely their sizes. Or property taxes.
        And, I don’t complain to you, but I say that the average salary in our region is 10-12 tr, and the payment for an apartment with a total area of ​​59 sq.m. equal to 8,5-9 thousand rubles.
        And the child needs to be fed with nothing. Yes, and you need to dress him.
        Therefore, do not tell me your discontent and, I will not tell you where you need to go very quickly. I have my own opinion and vision of what is happening around. You have your own.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 23 November 2016 18: 15
          +2
          Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
          the average salary in our region is 10-12 tr, and the payment for an apartment with a total area of ​​59 sq.m. equal to 8,5-9 thousand rubles.

          Immediately rearrange the numbers: salary - 8 thousand, communal apartment - 12.
          Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
          I will not tell you where you need to go very quickly.

          Well, thanks, feel better.
          Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
          Or are you satisfied with utility bills? More precisely their sizes.

          I would be happy with the amount for free, however, like most.
          Quote: Yuri Nikolaevich
          Or property taxes.

          And what, big taxes?
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 08
            0
            Apparently your mom pays your taxes. And personally, in my house, which no one helped me build from the government (in which there is no gas, no central heating, no sewage, no dirt road) taxes since 2011 have increased exactly 11 times. Moreover, every 3 years, caring bureaucrats increase the cadastral value of my house exactly 2-2,5 times every time. And so in 2010 I paid taxes for the house in 2500 rubles, in 2011 - approx. 19000 rubles, and in 2014 - 27 000 rubles. Thanks to Putin - from 2015 to 2020, he introduced indexes for deflators of a gradual company of taxes, which is why I paid 2015 rubles for 11, but by 000 I will be required to pay a minimum of 2020 rubles. These are the taxes.
            Say hello to your mother - she must pay the property tax for individuals by December 1.
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 10
          0
          Yuri Nikolaevich, what do you explain to a student about taxes? His mom and dad pay his taxes. He has never even seen or read the article "The Law on Taxation of Property of Individuals". And this Vladimir never paid utility bills.
      2. cast iron
        cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 12
        0
        So how many children have you given birth to, unselfish man?
    2. your1970
      your1970 23 November 2016 18: 04
      +6
      talk nonsense, after the war, hungry and cold, very often without a roof over their heads, 5-6 children gave birth, without maternity hospitals / obstetric care / examinations / anesthetized
      oh, sometimes even without a midwife, just because they needed it ..... And they brought up normal people ...

      And now they just got drunk - "we haven't gone to rest yet / the car is old / the apartment is small / the salary is small / blah blah blah blah ..." the iPhone is new again ...
      and then the gop - and it's too late ...... and rush around the dog / cat ....
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 02
        0
        You personally flog the bullshit. After all, this is a worldwide trend on Earth - the more educated a society, the less it gives birth. The less affordable housing - the less society gives birth. The more religious and obscurantist society - the more it gives birth. As soon as modern agricultural and health technologies are developed for everyone, the less the society gives birth - for there are more children surviving than under the pea king and there is no hunger.

        Question to you. How many children have you personally patched? And how much do you want to obscure and lower the Russians technologically so that they again give birth to 5-10 children?
        1. your1970
          your1970 24 November 2016 09: 28
          0
          After the war, there was very affordable housing ???? or obscurantism ??????? No words ... one mate
          About housing after the war - come home from work, shovel drip clay, add straw and manure (for plasticity), tramples it all with bare feet - the mixture spoils shoes, form into blocks, dry, lay walls, sew beams / frames / doors, glass a separate song, my uncle only in 1947 was able to insert glass and not the most starving man ... And after that you make children .... and there’s no mortgage, absolutely affordable housing ....
          Only fools to plow so now there is no ....
          And free housing / work by ramparts / lack of migrants / other blablabla will not save - they are too used to living easily. And people reproduce only in extreme sports ... and your examples confirm this ...
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 25 November 2016 04: 36
            0
            After the war, in the USSR we had the majority of the RURAL POPULATION. The rural population gives birth to more children. Explain why? Or guess yourself?
            And now you will not build any house - the land is not yours, but the capitalist. And the house you built without permission, even on your land, will be demolished by an excavator.
            It doesn’t reach you that society is also changing. From a half-wild state to a more educated one. Until the realization that life is not only putting all your efforts into raising 8 children, half of whom will die from illness (this was until the end of the 1930s of the 20th century). If the purpose of life is only to give birth to as many children as possible, at the same time live in poverty? Well I do not know. This is just your opinion. I do not agree with him.
            I personally do not mind 3 children in the family. But in the current realities for a large number of Russian citizens - this is a guaranteed need for everything necessary. I'm not talking about cars or gadgets.
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 23: 11
      +1
      For fertility, first of all, you need free or very affordable housing. This is the most important condition for the urban population, of which the majority in Russia. In a rented apartment on bird rights no one will give birth to children.
  8. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 23 November 2016 17: 10
    0
    Quote: cniza
    If only in the construction battalion, there will be very little sense.

    The construction battalion will no longer work - Spetsstroy dissolves VVP, they need to be sent to the insemination brigades - they will not do anything more, and even then not all will do! laughing
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 22: 58
      0
      Yes, yes, only the gold and diamond Rasulov and Rafiks are necessary for insemination of Russian girls. And let the Russian Vanka serve the glory of the Rottenbergs and his friends. Only in this way will demography rise.
  9. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 23 November 2016 17: 14
    +7
    21 accompanied his son to serve. The former offered to buy back, well, or to attach to the acquaintance as before. But I said that the closest fellow officers only remained in Vladivostok. And now the son is traveling to the Far East with transfers in Novosibirsk, because there is no Kharkiv-Vladivostok train. Good service to my son and all the guys!
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 23 November 2016 17: 39
      +2
      Kharkov?? how is it ... is that .. is yours better ??
  10. unsinkable
    unsinkable 23 November 2016 17: 15
    +2
    Everything will be fine. They will rake up all the blind, the lame, the flat feet, etc. (I am not trying to offend anyone).
  11. ratfly
    ratfly 23 November 2016 17: 21
    +2
    The situation is difficult but not critical. They speak calmly in the military registration and enlistment offices, they don’t grab at .. they’re listening, they give them access to retraining, retreating. In our courtyard, several healthy foreheads are torn in the RA, and deferrals are thrown at them. Probably in this way the failure among the recruits will be aligned.
  12. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 November 2016 17: 23
    +12
    At the same time, he noted that, starting from 2007, the birth rate in Russia began to grow, and "in the last three years, natural population growth began."
    I even started to learn the language of the grown population. Salam should be greeted with everyone, but thanks should be given in different ways to one rather rahmat, and the other to sagol. In short, we have all the yakshas with the population.
    1. The black
      The black 23 November 2016 18: 26
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      I even started to learn the language of the grown population. Salam should be greeted with everyone, but thanks should be given in different ways to one rather rahmat, and the other to sagol. In short, we have all the yakshas with the population.

      Circumcision not done yet? smile
      1. cast iron
        cast iron 23 November 2016 22: 56
        0
        The native Muscovite son tells his native Muscovite father:
        - Otadzhon, is it true that Russians lived in Moscow 100 years ago?
        - Oh-wei, boo fiction, bola, boo - fiction.
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 23 November 2016 22: 46
      +1
      The main thing is not zer gut. :)
  13. Galleon
    Galleon 23 November 2016 17: 42
    +3
    Bear 4 years old - we will pull ourselves up good
  14. ando_bor
    ando_bor 23 November 2016 17: 51
    0
    It should be understood that now everyone who has come to serve is not called up, they are calling for the required number, about a third of the conscript contingent, a third of the real liberation, a third - "otmazyutsya", at their expense it is possible to build a demographic hole without problems, it will be more difficult to excuse, and the military commissar does not fulfill there will be no draft plan by the military commissar, just the percentage of those who otmazatsya will decrease.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 22: 53
      +1
      There are two ways to go through the demographic hole:

      1. Civilized, modern:
      Make housing affordable for young people. Build enterprises, and therefore jobs for youth. Close to the maximum access for migrant workers to workplaces and take on them the youth of Russia.

      2. The medieval method:
      To bring down education, introduce religion as a prerequisite for raising a child. After 30 years, religious obscurantists themselves give birth to people as much as you want.

      One problem, the government in Russia does not want to solve the problem of demography.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 November 2016 18: 30
    0
    Here it is, about the failure in demography. Really guys on 300 thousand a year we will not recruit? Nothing really terrible is happening yet. Mowing, it seems, was NOT fashionable at all. So - I do not believe that the army needs to be reduced. And there are more and more contractors.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 22: 49
      0
      Mowing has become much more expensive than in the early 2000s. Moreover, Russia is not Asia. In Asia, I gave a bribe and you are sure that they will do everything by agreement. In Russia, you will give a bribe, while they will cheat you and, as a result, they will also throw you - they will not do anything.
      As it was not fashionable to join the army, it still is.
    2. ando_bor
      ando_bor 24 November 2016 01: 48
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Really guys on 300 thousand a year we will not recruit?

      there were a million boys a year, - they called for a third, almost half will have to be called up in the demographic pit, it will be more expensive to mow, or maybe not, - the demand for a slope has fallen.
  16. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 23 November 2016 18: 36
    +1
    Quote: cniza
    Quote: 31R-US
    Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.


    If only in the construction battalion, there will be very little sense.

    A good sergeant in "hands" and in six months will be super special. They love money, they will love AK.
  17. killganoff
    killganoff 23 November 2016 18: 36
    +1
    A call to two in all and three in the Navy will resolve the issue by a shortfall.
  18. bald
    bald 23 November 2016 18: 40
    +3
    [quote] [/ quote] “This is our great achievement with you,” Putin added. And here is Vladimir Vladimirovich, you blurted out. Your business is a foreign policy, with which you are not coping badly. And what is happening at home ....
  19. sw6513
    sw6513 23 November 2016 18: 48
    0
    Prosecutorial and from the administration of offspring in the army need-they are mostly flat-feet
    1. tihiy
      tihiy 23 November 2016 20: 16
      +2
      Quote: sw6513
      Prosecutorial and from the administration of offspring in the army need-they are mostly flat-feet

      squamous they are mostly
  20. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 23 November 2016 18: 48
    0
    Ankov, and you are not from the liberalists !!! ???
  21. Gamer
    Gamer 23 November 2016 19: 17
    0
    Uzbek Tajiks to recruit for Russian citizenship and all business
  22. guzik007
    guzik007 23 November 2016 19: 47
    +1
    Another demographic failure is expected in Russia. Because girls were also born in the 90s. Those who have now entered the fertile (child-bearing) age.
    Who knows from Amur that every 10 years salmon do not come into the Amur to spawn (well, they almost never go), which is due to the fact that many years ago one generation was almost completely destroyed by poachers. Salmon return to the rivers after 10 years and one This is how, through generations, it echoes that of fish, that of people.
  23. TOR2
    TOR2 23 November 2016 20: 35
    +1
    Vladimir Putin predicted recruitment problems due to the disastrous demographic situation in the 90s

    Somewhat strange statement. If you calculate the draft age (without any delay), most of the young men of the 90s are either called up or have already served military service.
    At the beginning of 0x, many remember there was an attempt to raise the standard of living of pensioners, since energy prices went up. The business was necessary, so we took it up with enthusiasm. Only with a ridiculous increase in the gross product was the next increase in pensions eaten up by a round of inflation. As a result of the careless actions of the government, the lives of the elderly have not been improved, and families with small children have generally been left behind. It turns out that the demographic collapse of the 90s has intensified even more. And only when the "roast rooster" hollowed out half of the 5th point did they realize.
    At the same time, he noted that, starting from 2007, the birth rate in Russia began to grow, and “in the last three years, a natural population growth has begun.” “This is a great achievement with you,” Putin added

    Then voice everything so that some "achievements" in the future are not repeated.
  24. siberalt
    siberalt 23 November 2016 21: 56
    0
    Quote: 31R-US
    Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.

    And what, under it, to make a special army?
  25. Demeter
    Demeter 23 November 2016 22: 01
    0
    All the problems of Russia are to blame: Medvedev, Putin and Yeltsin, to whom Putin erects monuments. Instead of Russian citizens, citizens of Uzbekistan and other foreign countries are hired, and attempts by the Russian population to assert their rights described in the labor code of the Russian Federation end with their dismissal, because instead of them you can always hire consonants for the black salary of Uzbeks. This is Putin’s policy. And now he doesn’t have a soldier ?! He didn’t please himself ?! But thanks to Putin, Uzbekistan has soldiers, only they will not fight for Russia, they have their own country and their own president, who is smarter than Putin!
  26. RexMVDshny
    RexMVDshny 23 November 2016 22: 28
    0
    The problem is not only that we have formed the so-called demographic pit, but also because many conscripts come with criminal records and are simply not called upon
  27. cast iron
    cast iron 23 November 2016 22: 45
    0
    The Russians will not have any growth until housing remains a pipe dream.
  28. Karaul73
    Karaul73 23 November 2016 23: 34
    0
    Quote: 31R-US
    Golden youth in the army, and there will be no failure.

    And most importantly, take more Chinese to the Far East. Then the growth will begin, both in the economy and in the army.
  29. iouris
    iouris 24 November 2016 00: 34
    0
    This is only the first wave of failure, followed by the second. This has already happened after World War II (in the late 1970s). It was necessary to give demographic forecasting charts in order to see what would remain when the generations born in the 1950 ... 1970s left and there would remain a generation that knows nothing without an iPhone.
  30. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 24 November 2016 01: 44
    0
    Quote: Nick
    Quote: Pirogov
    Yes, they can’t be trusted with a saw either, and they’re cutting off their hands

    Better eggs, so as not to produce degenerates ...


    I used to say before the ranks that on a demobilization I would give such a MAN a box of condoms so that there were no more like him. Strange, but it helped.
  31. Evil 55
    Evil 55 24 November 2016 02: 25
    0
    Directly from the races on the avenues to take the majors to the "mabuta" for three years, without the right to rehabilitation .. And the level of safety of the cities will grow, and we will raise the army, and parade grounds will shine from Kaliningrad to Chukotka ..
  32. Wad
    Wad 24 November 2016 03: 48
    0
    In the "fat years," the military registration and enlistment offices were completely insolent, they did not take into the army quite healthy young people who were eager to join the army, it came to bribes, I’m already silent about young people from the Caucasus and Crimea. This is the first reserve, the second reserve - add age conscription from 27 to 30. (in Greece up to 40 years old) There will be no end to those who wish.
  33. Brigadier
    Brigadier 24 November 2016 03: 54
    +1
    Our population in the 90s was wildly reduced by the efforts of Gaidar, Chubaysya and their Ko! But you know very well that if Chubais is still upstairs, then someone needs it ... We are waiting for October 2017, and there we will put everything in its place, if you are lucky, of course ...
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 26 November 2016 15: 35
      0
      Why wait for it? On November 4, 2017 we will celebrate a new holiday against the backdrop of a draped mausoleum. We have no new Lenins and are not foreseen. Modern youth is convinced that communism is worse than fascism. Capitalism has triumphed.
  34. CorvusCoraks
    CorvusCoraks 24 November 2016 07: 18
    0
    I do not know. I was at the military registration and enlistment office this year, doctors from the honey committee said that the recruitment plan was completed without any problems.
    Although, where is the guarantee that they spoke seriously and the truth ...
  35. Million
    Million 24 November 2016 08: 12
    +2
    Thanks to the mentor of Putin-Yeltsin!
  36. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 24 November 2016 09: 47
    0
    The problem with youth is understandable, there is a way out - a contract professional army, and this is an additional cost
  37. Akkypamucm
    Akkypamucm 24 November 2016 15: 45
    0
    Quote: CooL_SnipeR
    There’s no need to drive to Moscow State University ... I’m from the provinces myself (the city is the hero Yasny where Satan stands) ... without exams I entered the Moscow State University (incentive prize of the Olympiad in Astrophysics in 98). So I'm not gold ... and hundreds of people I talked to are far from gold. 80% of students at the physics department are nonresident. Maybe at some law school, etc. - I don’t argue ... Maybe now everything has changed - I’m X ... but at the applied faculties there are adequate people and much more adequate than the people with whom I studied at school and had to communicate in the city. And I can say that I live even after the crisis much better than my parents lived. So I'm not a liverstrast.
    1. Akkypamucm
      Akkypamucm 24 November 2016 15: 55
      0
      [i] [/ i] And now our provincial astrophysicist will receive a decent education, possibly with a red diploma. And as a worthy and adequate, but extremely young specialist who lives of course much better than his parents (I hope not only in terms of food) will go ... to "work". But where, do not tell me? You are a target specialist who is expected at a research institute, a design bureau, etc. No? Are you getting brilliant practical ideas?
  38. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2016 06: 58
    0
    the problem is definitely present, but not critical, it is possible to solve it partly due to the greater admission of contractors to the RF Armed Forces, thereby increasing costs, but at the same time, quality should certainly increase ...