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Media: the loss of the MiG-29KR in the Mediterranean is not associated with a malfunction of the aircraft

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Contrary to popular earlier information, the failure that befell 13 November, the Russian MiG-29KR in the Mediterranean Sea near the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov" is not associated with any fault of the aircraft, according to bmpd with reference to a reliable source.


MiG-29KR fighter (tail number "49 blue") from the 100th Separate Naval Fighter Aviation Regiment Marine aviation Northern fleet on the heavy aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov". August 2016

"Having made the flight with the aircraft carrier the morning of November 13, a group of three MiG-29KR / Kubra on the task started to board the ship. Planting first aircraft was successful, but during landing second fighter was torn second rope braking apparatus (aerobatsplane). At the same time, the torn second cable got entangled with the third one, making it impossible to use it. The second MiG-29KR successfully braked on deck, clinging to the fourth cable. However, the further use of the aerofinisher became impossible, so the third fighter was ordered to be in the air in the waiting area until the aerofinisher is fixed, ”the article says.

The team “Kuznetsova failed to eliminate the malfunction in a short time. Meanwhile, the fighter, who was in the air, produced all the fuel, and the pilot was eventually forced to eject.

According to the source, the work of the cruiser team after the breakdown of the aero-finisher could not be called harmonious.
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Alexey Biryuk / VKontakte
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 23 November 2016 15: 37
    +8
    Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!
    1. Themi30
      Themi30 23 November 2016 15: 52
      +28
      This is the image of MiG on the foreign market, it’s another matter that they thought up something for a long time, even if it’s true.
      1. Juborg
        Juborg 23 November 2016 16: 08
        +33
        It is not clear where the truth is and where the lie is, who to believe and who not. No official statements have been made. Infa goes on crumbs. On the one hand, this is good, secrecy, etc., but on the other hand, it gives rise to all kinds of fables, outright misrepresentation and lies, which does not make us and our armed forces better. All links lead to the same source on a blog of some initiatives there, on LJ. Is it possible to trust a blog that is not responsible for what is written and does not give its sources of this information?

        Here is the source for this article on VO. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2273357.html
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 November 2016 18: 20
          +12
          Quote: juborg
          It is not clear where the truth is and where the lie is, who to believe and who not. No official statements have been made. Infa goes on crumbs.l


          So the "crumbs" just .. "reveal" what is, and not what .. "what you want" to see everything.

          The official version of the AP with the Su-34 was the same .... "CPN" .... and the movie was shown ... everything is extremely simple ... two "fucking ... two woodpeckers" in the cockpit. .total .... plane at the factory soldier
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 23 November 2016 20: 15
            +8
            Why do you need to risk the plane. If there is fuel, then how to wind circles, send it to the airport. and after the repair of the aerofinisher calmly overtake back to the ship.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 24 November 2016 13: 15
              +2
              Quote: Mahmut
              Why do you need to risk the plane. If there is fuel, then how to wind circles, send it to the airport. and after the repair of the aerofinisher calmly overtake back to the ship.

              Everything is simple, as always in the army: the command of "Kuznetsov" decided to hide the fact of the breakdown (the condition of the equipment is specifically their responsibility), hoping for a quick repair of the air arrestor. They were afraid for the stars on the shoulder straps. So Mig was not sent to the ground airfield. The team was unable to fix the malfunction in time (again, the level of training of the team is on the conscience of the command). In the end, it turned out even worse. This infa correlates well with a recent article on VO: "How the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov works."
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 November 2016 20: 20
            +12
            Quote: ancient
            and the movie was shown ... everything is extremely simple there ... two "fucking ... two woodpeckers" in the cockpit ... so ... an airplane at the factory

            Old, grumbling again !?
            On the MiG, a colonel sat in an ejection seat, 200 landings on the deck, an internship on the THREAD, the head of the Northern Fleet's B / O flight service .. It seems to be not like a "woodpecker".
            And that vulgarly ran out of fuel I wrote to you in PM. True, before that I had an impermissible courage to make a number of assumptions on this PL. After all, the pros reasonably remained silent in hot pursuit.
            Yours faithfully, drinks
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 November 2016 21: 17
              +3
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              On the MiG, a colonel sat in an ejection seat, 200 landings on the deck, an internship on the THREAD, the head of the Northern Fleet's B / O flight service .. It seems to be not like a "woodpecker".

              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              On the MiG, a colonel sat in an ejection seat, 200 landings on the deck, an internship on the THREAD, the head of the Northern Fleet's B / O flight service .. It seems to be not like a "woodpecker".

              Hello, Sasha! .. Yes, at least the general ... the question is not that ... he received the command ... to stand in a circle and wait ... he answered, understood and went and ... stood in a circle (waiting area) , but then what ... ... "two engines suddenly got up"? I do not argue .. everything can be, but then how can you explain that in a day there are already a couple of CUBES in the air, eh?
              That's it. wink
              Now I'll go ... read ... "what did you write me about ...." drinks
              1. ancient
                ancient 23 November 2016 21: 22
                +2
                [quote = ancient] I'll come in now ... read ... "how did you write me ...." [/ qu

                I read everything on good I wrote the same about it below drinks
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 23 November 2016 16: 27
        +23
        Quote: TheMi30
        even if it's true

        An excuse for "grandmothers at the entrance" ... To the land airfield, Khmeimim airbase, max. five minutes of flight along with all evolutions.

        "It is said in the material "on behalf of" a reliable source": the born sits down with the finisher - he cannot sit down otherwise. Let it be better not to live! laughing
        Quote: juborg
        Is it possible to trust a blog that is not responsible for what is written and does not give its sources of this information?
        Here is the source for this article on VO. http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2273357.html


        Here the material is -Our blog from a trusted source at http://bmpd.livejournal.com/ - The accident of the MiG-29KR in the Mediterranean Sea - there were no failures on the plane
        November 23, 1: 56

        This is one of many, many reprints. "news"... so, "RELIABLE SOURCE" is probably here - "Gazeta.Ru" became aware of the reasons for the fall of the MiG-29KR from the aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov" Mikhail Khodarenok 21.11.2016,16/38/XNUMX: XNUMXhttps://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/11/21/10354847.sh
        tml
        Both MiG-29KR crashed into the Mediterranean Sea from the Russian heavy aircraft carrier missile cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov during a flight failed told Gazeta.ru an interlocutor familiar with the organization of flights on an aircraft carrier.
        According to him, the pilot catapulted from a crashing ship at sea was Colonel, the head of the Northern Fleet’s aviation security service, who had previously made more than 200 landings on the deck of Admiral Kuznetsov


        those. news from a "reliable source" is slightly rotten ...
        1. FREGATEN
          FREGATEN 23 November 2016 19: 42
          +3
          Both engines failed .....What is not true here you see? Kerosene ran out and refused .. Everything is very real .. the information looks very true ..... No need to look for a black cat ... well, you know ... I once saw Yasha-38 in Severomorsk by the deck on "Kiev" sat down ........ and nothing ... nobody came up with too much.
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 November 2016 21: 26
            +5
            Quote: FREGATEN
            .


            In aviation ... it just doesn't happen ... there are necessary calculations, including the ISHR ... where everything is written in black and white and in large letters and numbers ... who and what, where and where, in what period of time and how much of that-this and how it will be spent and how much will remain and how much can you still fly if "WH" ... and in red on white "everything is the same, only for one engine.
            So this fairy tale "....." ran out of kerosene ".... this is for ..... well, you know who wink
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 November 2016 15: 53
      +3
      Media: the loss of the MiG-29KR in the Mediterranean is not associated with a malfunction of the aircraft

      Yesterday, this info was in the internet ...
      It does not matter why the moment fell, the point is that it fell, despite the fact that there are 6 of them on Kuz. The Su-33 is much larger, but not one of the Su has fallen and completed combat missions flawlessly.
      Flames on the kuz are raw.
      1. VOLCHOXURAL
        VOLCHOXURAL 23 November 2016 16: 07
        +5
        Quote: GSH-18
        Media: the loss of the MiG-29KR in the Mediterranean is not associated with a malfunction of the aircraft

        Yesterday, this info was in the internet ...
        It does not matter why the moment fell, the point is that it fell, despite the fact that there are 6 of them on Kuz. The Su-33 is much larger, but not one of the Su has fallen and completed combat missions flawlessly.
        Flames on the kuz are raw.

        For some reason, it also seems to me that they simply write off Kuzyu, because the twinks still have to be sold. Even if according to their version one of the cables broke and even got confused after another, could it be that during the time that he circled in anticipation they could not stupidly unravel the cable with the whole team? What kind of mega malfunction is this?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 23 November 2016 16: 29
          +8
          It is necessary to change the cable - initially looked at the standard, requested the remainder + 5 minutes. OK. Sent to circle.

          When replacing, there was a delay for any reason (poor preparation, additional damage, etc.). They asked - they answered another minute. Well, that’s it. When it became clear that they did not fit, it was too late to send.

          Initially, there was most likely a difficulty in making a decision.

          1) Landing in Cyprus, as the closest. But it is necessary to declare a state of emergency, to raise the Foreign Ministry, and it is not a fact that the MiG will not have to be pulled out with a diplomatic battle (and there will be a bunch of people wishing to dig into it for a day or two).
          2) Landing in Syria, perhaps initially the fuel was just just to enter. And that again would go up. That is, the head would not be stroked.
          3) Standard on-duty couple Su-33, does not have equipment for refueling. MiG-29, taking into account the sub-system of refueling and rolling out system - it took longer to cook than there was enough fuel. Similarly, the Su-24 with Khmemima with the same system (well, here the question is, is there a base at all).
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 November 2016 18: 32
            +17
            Quote: donavi49
            It is necessary to change the cable - initially looked at the standard, requested the remainder + 5 minutes. OK. Sent to circle.

            When replacing, there was a delay for any reason (poor preparation, additional damage, etc.). They asked - they answered another minute. Well, that’s it. When it became clear that they did not fit, it was too late to send.

            Initially, there was most likely a difficulty in making a decision.

            1) Landing in Cyprus, as the closest. But it is necessary to declare a state of emergency, to raise the Foreign Ministry, and it is not a fact that the MiG will not have to be pulled out with a diplomatic battle (and there will be a bunch of people wishing to dig into it for a day or two).
            2) Landing in Syria, perhaps initially the fuel was just just to enter. And that again would go up. That is, the head would not be stroked.
            3) Standard on-duty couple Su-33, does not have equipment for refueling. MiG-29, taking into account the sub-system of refueling and rolling out system - it took longer to cook than there was enough fuel. Similarly, the Su-24 with Khmemima with the same system (well, here the question is, is there a base at all).



            If you believe the news, then the conclusions are completely different:

            1. The cables need to be changed not one, but two .... 5 minutes here and ... "does not smell".
            It’s very rude to Khmeimim ... about 100 km Migu needs only 200 (!!!!) liters to fly in and go in from the line.
            The alarm system is - 300 liters (!!!)

            2. About fuel on one run it .. soldier soldier
      2. Zibelew
        Zibelew 23 November 2016 16: 24
        +11
        Each accident has a name, surname and patronymic. In theory, in such a situation, they could refuel in the air. There is a video on the Internet when, during the landing of the F / A-18E / F Super Hornet on the deck of the aircraft carrier "George Washington", the pilot makes a mistake and hooks (a special hook at the tail of the aircraft) only for the last, third aircraft finisher (a special cable that should slow down the plane). As a result, the cable breaks, the plane breaks off the deck and goes to the bottom of the ocean (the plane's cost is more than $ 60 million). The pilot managed to eject, but this was not the end of the matter - pieces of the cable began flying around the deck at high speed, crippling several crew members and chopping the tails and wings of several planes and helicopters at the stern like sausage.
      3. tomket
        tomket 23 November 2016 16: 48
        +4
        Quote: GSH-18
        It doesn't matter why the moment has fallen, the point is

        Well, it’s clear that it doesn’t matter to you at all)))) Now you will end up with hatred and hatred)))
        Quote: GSH-18
        that he fell, despite the fact that there are 6 pieces on them. Su-33 is much larger, but not one of Su has fallen and completed combat missions flawlessly.

        Last time I gave you the statistics of the fall of Su-33, apparently to you at least .... in the eye, all of God's dew. The MiG-29k accident is identical to the Su-33 accident in the Mediterranean. the cause of the break of the aerofinish - and as a result of the consequences. MiG-29k is operated much more than Su-33.
      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 23 November 2016 16: 52
        +4
        It doesn't matter why the moment fell, the point is that it fell
        How does it matter? In the investigation of any emergency, especially in aviation, this is the most important. Otherwise, this will continue. This is better known in aviation than anywhere else. And people are interested in the end.
      5. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2016 17: 26
        +9
        Quote: GSH-18
        It doesn't matter why the moment fell

        It’s important ... if it were a design flaw, it would further tarnish the reputation of the MIG Design Bureau, which is not good for the country. OKB Mikoyan after Poghosyan and so barely alive. If it was a plane, it would stupidly collapse, and so, having developed fuel, after the flights, the pilot had to eject. MIG-29K is a good car, and cutting it off would be a big mistake.
        Quote: GSH-18
        The Su-33 is much larger, but not one of the Su has fallen and completed combat missions flawlessly.

        33rd fell more often ... MIG-29K is a new car and there is no fault in it in this incident.
        Quote: GSH-18
        Flames on the kuz are raw.

        They are not raw, but new. In other forums, pilots speak very well about this car.
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 November 2016 18: 36
          +2
          . [/ Quote]
          They are not raw, but new. In other forums, pilots speak very well about this car. [/ Quote]

          Andrey, I completely agree with the battle drinks
          But if all this is confirmed, then ... (I already "heard" about this reason already on the 15th ... but refused to believe ... because it is ....... well, how S. Lavrov said, do you remember .. .... "D ..... B ....." wassat
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 November 2016 19: 02
            +4
            Quote: ancient
            But if all this is confirmed, then ... (I already "heard" about this reason already on the 15th ... but refused to believe ... because it is ....... well, how S. Lavrov said, do you remember .. .... "D ..... B ....."

            My friend, I studied this topic by going to other forums ... it’s the flyers who say that the problem is not in the plane ... the plane itself is very good. And they are also afraid that they will kill him because of this accident.
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 November 2016 19: 42
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              My friend, I studied this topic by going to other forums ... it’s the flyers who say that the problem is not in the plane ... the plane itself is very good. And they are also afraid that they will kill him because of this accident.


              Andrey .. will not be hacked to death ... although the rivals have a very strong 'lobby', but there are practically only competitors in the RSK leadership, "and the Indians are already slowly looking at the future and the side of the Hornets ... so .. we'll see bully
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 November 2016 19: 51
                +4
                Quote: ancient
                Andrey .. will not be hacked to death ... although the "lobby" of competitors is very strong

                I think so too ... the plane took all the best from the old and the tried and the new, which makes it a very good sea-based MFI. They will run in and we will have a really good modern deck boat and a platform on the basis of which they will build MFIs for the first full-fledged aircraft carrier in Russia (God forbid). Plus, export prospects are very good. Well, we will preserve the school of naval aviation, it's not for nothing that the "spark" had its own ...
                Quote: ancient
                yes, and the Indians are already slowly looking at the future and the side of the "Hornets" ... so .. let's see

                Let’s look ... only if the 29th shows itself, everyone can quickly replay ...
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    3. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 23 November 2016 15: 54
      +8
      The decor is the atmosphere and the plane is lost ... this is not good ....
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 23 November 2016 16: 10
        0
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        The decor is the atmosphere and the plane is lost ... this is not good ....

        Well, nothing, another time they will equip purely Su-33 and there will not be any problems yes
        1. Vadxnumx
          Vadxnumx 23 November 2016 16: 17
          +8
          Do not know, do not crack!
          MiG-29, car !! and Drying him about nothing ...
          But unprofessionalism and gouging, this is in our honor.
          They should have immediately sent MiG to Khmeimim, there’s just an option that the fuel was poured into the tanks to a minimum ....
          1. sandroart
            sandroart 23 November 2016 16: 32
            +3
            That's it! surrenders not with a full refueling they fly! And by the way, in favor of this version it says that in the beginning there were reports of the splashdown of the aircraft, and that the pilot was ready for further combat work, therefore the pilot did not experience stress from the failure of the equipment or his mistake, but he knew everything and saw (although after the catapult it’s still stress). You have to wait, there’s a video published with su-34, and then they’ll tell you over time
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 23 November 2016 17: 28
            +5
            Quote: Vad65
            They should have immediately sent MiG to Khmeimim, there’s just an option that the fuel was poured into the tanks to a minimum ....

            Most likely it was ... there was little time to fix the aerofinisher ... and there was no refueling station nearby.
            1. ancient
              ancient 23 November 2016 18: 43
              +5
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Vad65
              They should have immediately sent MiG to Khmeimim, there’s just an option that the fuel was poured into the tanks to a minimum ....

              Most likely it was ... there was little time to fix the aerofinisher ... and there was no refueling station nearby.


              Andrey: "tanker" has nothing to do with it (well, there is no AWACS, no electronic warfare, no PLO in this "air wing").
              Do you remember I told you about "Kuznetsov" at the very beginning ... of the "campaign", when "urya-patriots" like Vatnik and Company wassat squealed and revel in ... "combat capabilities" wink
              And I wrote to you ... "don't try to pull SOMETHING on the globe" wink

              And in this case ... do not send the plane to a spare one .. moreover, they flew around it when they flew to work out the interaction (the article was incidentally) ... beyond my understanding soldier soldier
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 23 November 2016 19: 05
                +4
                Quote: ancient
                And in this case ... do not send the plane to a spare one .. moreover, they flew around it when they flew to work out the interaction (the article was incidentally) ... beyond my understanding

                Seryoga, friend, so most likely the fuel was "not enough" to reach the alternate airfield, otherwise they would have sent ... high officials on Kuza blame everything on the plane and the OKB, but in fact they themselves are to blame.
                1. ancient
                  ancient 23 November 2016 19: 48
                  +5
                  [quote = NEXUS] [quote = ancient] And in this case ... do not send the plane to the spare one ... moreover, they flew around it when they flew to work out the interaction (the article was by the way) ... beyond my understanding [ / quote]

                  Andrey, friend ... already wrote somewhere below ... fuel ... even with "emergency" bulbs ... enough with your head ... just on landing you need to remember this ... so that ... " fly over " wink the plane is ... "flying" .. because. empty ... well, with the angle of attack on the glide path, leveling and when running with a pitch angle ... "do not spoil" .. otherwise "booty concrete" you will ... clean ... well, and when you get out of the cockpit. ..be careful ... it can rears up ... yes .. and also the speed on taxiing is less, but at the joints ... take a closer look ... otherwise ... the shock absorber on the front strut can ... " to mirror " wassat wassat
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 23 November 2016 19: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: ancient
                    Andrey, friend ... already wrote somewhere below ... fuel ... even with "emergency" bulbs ... enough with your head ...

                    Maybe so ... only everything somehow or other comes to the conclusion that high ranks, not only on Kuz, are afraid of shoulder straps and for seats ... but to dump everything on a new plane or pilot error can be easily ... the plane in scrap, but all with stars and awards.
                    Here it would be to pull this rope, to get to these chubby ranks, and to press their tails, and to lower a couple of ranks from heaven, so that it would be disgraceful for others ... combat flyers, they’re trying hard, they are tearing the veins, and this commanding elite is being served, so that it’s warmer and not live hard. Ugh ..
                    1. ancient
                      ancient 23 November 2016 21: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      behind


                      Pull, then understand ... but who will give it to do .... "history" with Igor Sulim remember? wink
                      What ended ... that's it.
                      And with Valera Morozov ... and nothing ...... "life .. continues" recourse
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 23 November 2016 21: 42
                        +5
                        Quote: ancient
                        And with Valera Morozov ... and nothing ...... "life .. continues"

                        I’m more worried about the question of the drowned MIG ... there is nonsense to hell, and the mattresses are the same, do not go to the fortuneteller, they will try to remove something from him ...
                        Or you need to get it, at least somehow, in whole or in parts, or destroy it ... people then tried, made this plane and give it to the adversary ...
                2. Evgeniy667b
                  Evgeniy667b 27 November 2016 16: 29
                  +1
                  Well, there is no experience of combat use of an aircraft carrier in Russia. Standing at the wall or on the road is one thing, a real campaign is another. ... The level of combat training of the Kuzi crew leaves much to be desired.
        2. tomket
          tomket 23 November 2016 16: 49
          +5
          Quote: GSH-18
          Well, nothing, another time they will equip purely Su-33 and there will not be any problems


          Yeah, what would work cast iron until the end of life)))
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 November 2016 17: 30
          +7
          Quote: GSH-18
          Well, nothing, another time they will equip purely Su-33 and there will not be any problems

          You shouldn't be so ... MIG-29K is a wonderful new car ... everything is digital there ... everything has been redone, and therefore we can talk almost about a new aircraft, if we do not take into account the glider.
    4. the most important
      the most important 23 November 2016 16: 00
      +11
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses.

      And what is normal in this ??? But was it impossible to send a plane to Khmeimim ??? He has a radius of action such that he can fly to Baghdad!
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 23 November 2016 16: 18
        +1
        Quote: the most important
        But was it impossible to send a plane to Khmeimim ??? He has a radius of action such that he can fly to Baghdad!

        Well, yes, if instead of missiles four PTB laughing
        Do not forget that when taking off from the springboard, the tanks are far from full, otherwise it will flop into the sea with missiles.
        1. basmach
          basmach 23 November 2016 16: 40
          +3
          In aviation, tanks are filled FULL. They can fill only the main one (without wing), but full. Another thing is that even in the days of my lieutenant youth he was nicknamed "an airplane for gaining superiority over a short-range drive", and a bike went around (maybe at 29 I was only on an internship at a school in Ivano-Frankovsk) cannon cannot be used.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 23 November 2016 17: 23
            +4
            "In aviation, tanks are filled FULL" ////

            But not in the sea. It’s impossible to take off from a springboard in full
            tanks and bombs. Therefore, partially refuel, and refueling
            in the air.
            1. vanek77
              vanek77 23 November 2016 18: 48
              +6
              I agree, even more so to take off from the Kuzi. By the way, here's a video about "Vikru". An excellent move at the aircraft carrier, and how the MiGs go up sharply. By the way, the Indians have no shipwreck losses, the organization of flights is much higher. Even if our MiG fell due to a malfunction (there is also such information), then you shouldn't blame it anyway, it was only at the very beginning of the tests, and it was already thrown somewhere. Anything is possible, because there were losses of the prototype of the Su-35, they lost both the Yak-130 and T-50 on the runway and there were accidents with the Su-34, but after all, no one pounced on the cars. in the Seventies, the Su-24 (I may be wrong) lost 12 aircraft during testing, ten people died, but the car still flies and fights well. It feels like for many MiGs, it's like a red rag, they hate and begin to throw mud at them. Video "Vikra" and MiG.
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 23 November 2016 19: 25
                +2
                By the way, the Hindus have no shipbuilding losses, the organization of flights is much higher
                Smiled for organizing flights.
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 24 November 2016 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: vanek77
                I agree, even more so to take off from the Kuzi. By the way, here's a video about "Vikru". An excellent move at the aircraft carrier, and how the MiGs go up sharply. By the way, the Indians have no shipwreck losses, the organization of flights is much higher. Even if our MiG fell due to a malfunction (there is also such information), then you shouldn't blame it anyway, it was only at the very beginning of the tests, and it was already thrown somewhere. Anything is possible, because there were losses of the prototype of the Su-35, they lost both the Yak-130 and T-50 on the runway and there were accidents with the Su-34, but after all, no one pounced on the cars. in the Seventies, the Su-24 (I may be wrong) lost 12 aircraft during testing, ten people died, but the car still flies and fights well. It feels like for many MiGs, it's like a red rag, they hate and begin to throw mud at them. Video "Vikra" and MiG.

                Goes well. And the dog does not smoke !!!
            2. basmach
              basmach 23 November 2016 20: 26
              +1
              There are a lot of aviation specialists here, although most of them have never been to the airfield. Show the refueling system on deck 29. After such your "refueling" it will definitely be "for flying over the bridge." And what about the bomb load is not information security. Now I do not remember which group (3 or 4) there are DBs, but in terms of work on ground targets, it will yield to the same Su-17M4, if only because the LD is not able to highlight the target in horizontal flight ... SD LSSN is problematic. And yet, whoever refuel it in the air will be
    5. Iline
      Iline 23 November 2016 16: 07
      +7
      What is normal here? When the commander set the task of flying, what was he thinking? What kind of hero is he in front of television cameras and cameras?
      I don’t know how things are on aircraft carriers, but alternate aerodromes and weather conditions are always announced before flights. And here at least a sufficient balance of fuel was provided before landing in case of such unforeseen situations.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 November 2016 21: 05
        +2
        Quote: Iline
        I don’t know how things are on aircraft carriers,

        Preflight preparation as elsewhere. Before the start of flights, setting goals in the class of flight crew on duty. Then all management with SKP (KDP). If there was such an opportunity, then the MiG would be sent to Khmeimini. Apparently, something else is there ...
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 November 2016 21: 37
          +2
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA


          Sasha, that's it, but (I’ll put in my 5 kopecks) ... before the flights begin, PRE-FLIGHT INSTRUCTIONS go on flights, and pre-flight preparation for the equipment begins .... hours before the flights begin, and the flight crew breaks to the pre-flight immediately after the instructions soldier
          And on the pre-flight there are ALL or representatives from ALL ... and on the PU for the weather scout and the RP itself soldier
    6. K-50
      K-50 23 November 2016 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!

      If it was as indicated in the article, then the plane would simply be sent to the coastal airfield. There is no need to invent any conspiracy theories, there was an engine failure, which did not allow landing on Kuzya or reaching land. soldier
      1. ancient
        ancient 23 November 2016 18: 49
        +7
        Quote: K-50
        If it were as indicated in the article, then the plane would simply be sent to the coastal airfield.


        And how-heh .. "show-off clumsy"? Where .. "to put" them .. so that the whole world would see that the plane went to an alternate land airfield?
        But what about .. "prestige"?
        That is why I am 99% sure that there was a command from above .... fix the airborne officer .. take the plane to the deck ... even die. "
        "Stand ... until the last" wassat
        So ..total.
        And at the expense of engine failure ... and what is impossible on the second one ... "fly"? wink
        1. K-50
          K-50 23 November 2016 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: ancient
          And at the expense of engine failure ... and what is impossible on the second one ... "fly"?

          On the second, there may simply not be enough traction.
          And how-heh .. "show-off clumsy"? Where .. "to put" them .. so that the whole world would see that the plane went to an alternate land airfield?

          You can think of a lot of reasons for directing an airplane to a land aerodrome.
          About the "clumsy show-off". Army is not a zone and not a gateway where show-offs are quoted. In case of such breakdowns, there are instructions on how to act in a particular situation. There are temporary pointers for the repair of aerofinishers, there is an NZ on fuel for a certain time (distance) of the flight on airplanes, and it is unlikely that various emergency situations and methods of their parrying were not considered. This is discussed during the pre-flight briefing and the pilots themselves already know how and what they need to do.
          But what about .. "prestige"?
          That is why I am 99% sure that there was a command from above .... fix the airborne officer .. take the plane to the deck ... even die. "

          Prestige would have fallen if the plane crashed on landing, and so a normal life situation. Yes, it's not pleasant, but for the sake of this, not a single flight leader will go to ruin the plane and the pilot, and it is unlikely that the commander of the group would have gone to violate the instructions. For anyone there will be "analysis" and if there is a fault of some official, then the punishment will be in accordance with the offense (violation of the instructions).
          Clumsy show-offs here don’t roll like that. Not that responsibility in people. So do not carry stupid things and do not smash nonsense. hi
          You seem to have never controlled and "commanded" their crews in nothing more complicated than a bicycle or scooter, if such thoughts occur to you!
          1. ancient
            ancient 23 November 2016 22: 28
            +2
            Quote: K-50
            Quote: ancient
            And at the expense of engine failure ... and what is impossible on the second one ... "fly"?

            On the second, there may simply not be enough traction.

            What is it like????? belay belay

            You at least once in your life saw an AIRPLANE .. I'm not talking about the fact that .. "read something ... about him wassat wassat

            And how-heh .. "show-off clumsy"? Where .. "to put" them .. so that the whole world would see that the plane went to an alternate land airfield?

            You can think of a lot of reasons for directing an airplane to a land aerodrome.
            About the "clumsy show-off". Army is not a zone and not a gateway where show-offs are quoted. In case of such breakdowns, there are instructions on how to act in a particular situation. There are temporary pointers for the repair of aerofinishers, there is an NZ on fuel for a certain time (distance) of the flight on airplanes, and it is unlikely that various emergency situations and methods of their parrying were not considered. This is discussed during the pre-flight briefing and the pilots themselves already know how and what they need to do.

            With your permission ..... "PRE-FLIGHT INSTRUCTIONS" soldier
            "PONTS" in the Army, and even more so in the aviation ... WERE ALWAYS and WILL BE! While there are .. "commanders" and chiefs " wassat wassat
            On pre-flight instructions, the SPARE AERODROMES themselves are made only .. "at home with ..." and in the air in agreement with the RP.
            If everything is so "sweet" ... so why did the plane ... "crash"? request request
            But what about .. "prestige"?
            That is why I am 99% sure that there was a command from above .... fix the airborne officer .. take the plane to the deck ... even die. "

            Prestige would have fallen if the plane crashed on landing, and so a normal life situation. Yes, it's not pleasant, but for the sake of this, not a single flight leader will go to ruin the plane and the pilot, and it is unlikely that the commander of the group would have gone to violate the instructions. For anyone there will be "analysis" and if there is a fault of some official, then the punishment will be in accordance with the offense (violation of the instructions).
            Clumsy show-offs here don’t roll like that. Not that responsibility in people. So do not carry stupid things and do not smash nonsense. hi
            You seem to have never controlled and "commanded" their crews in nothing more complicated than a bicycle or scooter, if such thoughts occur to you!


            It is clear .... from "urya-patriots" ...... well, then hold on ... from .. "naval aviation" life ..... if through words it does not reach (where is it ... when one ... urya in mind) .. maybe with the eyes ... "you will understand) wassat


            And you .. I will not give a "characteristic" ..... well, I don’t get in touch with .. "political officers" tongue
    7. UralMan
      UralMan 23 November 2016 16: 49
      +6
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine

      ---------
      The price of the aircraft for the Indian Navy is 32 million dollars.
      Nekhilo ... of course everything is a bunch
      --------------
      Quote: STARPER
      Such a situation!

      -----------
      what is the situation ... from your words ... to defend the homeland according to the situation?
      The pilot shook fuel, and the rest ....
      how many are there aboard this trough?
      bamboo smoked?
      they played dominoes - they scored a goat?
      ----------
      gouging all of them ... I'm scared .... than to fight ... with slogans about patriotism?
      the Turks plane banged .... no cho ... forgiven
      aah forgot it was such a situation
      that again disgraced .... pah to the whole world
      ----------------
      OH HOW SORRY THAT THE MINUSES DO NOT PUT ..... VOOO WOULD THE HOURS SOFA PATRIOTS SUCH hi REVEALED .... hi soldier
    8. Buffet
      Buffet 23 November 2016 17: 12
      +1
      Why didn’t he leave for Hmeimim then? Something is not being agreed ...
    9. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 18: 14
      +6
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!


      to "sink" a fully operational combat fighter is this called "normal"? belay belay

      That the "roof" from "urya-patriotism" completely .. "moved down" wassat

      What else .. "environment" do you have? ...... "Psitsy"
      t; interfere " wassat
    10. Vz.58
      Vz.58 23 November 2016 22: 09
      +4
      "Admiral Kuznetsov" is doing its job! I could have done better. And then they sent a damp ship, if only another salute in the eyes of the Russians. Where are the promised carrier-based AWACS aircraft of the Yak-44E type, where is the carrier-based tanker aircraft to deal with crisis situations? See how long it takes Amiks to repair or change the entire brake and launch complex on the deck and during the hike.
      "The main thing is to crow, but at least don't dawn there"
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2016 23: 36
        +5
        Quote: Vz.58
        "Admiral Kuznetsov" is doing its job! I could have done better. And then they sent a damp ship, if only another salute in the eyes of the Russians. Where are the promised carrier-based AWACS aircraft of the Yak-44E type, where is the carrier-based tanker aircraft to deal with crisis situations? See how long it takes Amiks to repair or change the entire brake and launch complex on the deck and during the hike.
        "The main thing is to crow, but at least don't dawn there"

        That's right ... just about -
        See how long Amiks repair or change the entire brake and launch complex on deck and on a hike.

        Over the past 50 years, more than 100 accidents have occurred on US aircraft carriers ... more than 100 aircraft were lost ... one of the last is the aircraft carrier "George Washington", 2003

        Notice how the aerofinisher cable cripples sailors ...
        Read more ... 1998, another accident at the Enterprise aircraft carrier - the EA-6B Prauler plane ignored the controller’s prohibitions and landed directly on the head of another aircraft - the newly-landing S-3 Viking had not yet managed to leave the runway and received a deafening tail punch ...
        And here is the latest news for 2011: the F / A-18C Hornet multipurpose fighter-bomber exploded and burned on a catapult while trying to take off from the John C. Stennis nuclear carrier. Reported 10 injured. Photos after this incident ..

        At the same time, over 30 years, despite the accident with aircraft on board Kuzi, not ONE pilot died.
        Something like this...
        1. Vz.58
          Vz.58 24 November 2016 00: 18
          +5
          I don’t understand what your overview of accidents on American aircraft carriers over the past 50 years has in common with my comment.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 November 2016 00: 31
            +3
            Quote: Vz.58
            I don’t understand what your overview of accidents on American aircraft carriers over the past 50 years has in common with my comment.

            In general, I agree with your comment ... only about mattress air finishers, how much they change and how carefully, this does not save them from accidents, and with the death of both pilots and sailors.
    11. Sterlya
      Sterlya 24 November 2016 09: 43
      0
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!

      The cable must be changed on time. Large loads do their job.
    12. Sterlya
      Sterlya 24 November 2016 09: 53
      0
      Why didn’t they immediately give the command to fly to Khmeimim. With a broken cable and the fact that he is confused with the third?
  2. Yuri from Volgograd
    Yuri from Volgograd 23 November 2016 15: 38
    +4
    I want to believe, but after explaining about the malfunction of the side, the version looks clumsy.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 23 November 2016 15: 42
      +10
      That's it. Especially since, according to reports, MIGs still do not fly from the ship ..
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 23 November 2016 15: 52
        +2
        As usual, one pulled the other, the third, and so the tangle in the chain of events led to the loss of the plane, I’m driving a car and a half of gas in the trunk for this case, but the pilot does not, unfortunately, have such an opportunity to refuel the plane in the air, if there is no air tanker nearby.
      2. vanek77
        vanek77 23 November 2016 16: 32
        +17
        MiGs fly, this time and there was no refusal, this is two. This is known from the first day, no one wanted to sweep the dirty linen in public. The fact that we have not debugged anything on "Kuza" are responsible people in the rank of admirals. Everything happened in front of the "partners", so it is easier to blame an untested fighter as a malfunction than to admit that we do not even have an understanding of how to use the Kuzya. Someone up there wrote about the flawless work of "Suharikov", then he got excited, the tasks were not completed, almost all the work was done by "Khmeimim". The task will be completed when the MiGs are tested using the latest strike weapons. In the meantime, "Kuzya is a more eksport aircraft carrier, and in terms of the number of sides, in the Mediterranean, he is not very good in this capacity either. He is there for the most part precisely to test new equipment and weapons in real combat conditions. Why do we have so much mud They pour on the fighter, the car is beautiful and stuffed with new things, and the fact that it was sent there raw, two years before the end of the tests, the car is not to blame for this, these questions must be addressed to the top, and not the fighter. 50, this is our first full-fledged multipurpose carrier-based fighter and it performs well and continues to fly, so no need to bark at it.
        1. ancient
          ancient 23 November 2016 18: 55
          +4
          Quote: vanek77



          drinks drinks soldier soldier good good
      3. Rustam
        Rustam 23 November 2016 17: 41
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        That's it. Especially since, according to reports, MIGs still do not fly from the ship ..


        Seriously? This is shot on the 15th (photo) The accident happened on the 13th.
      4. ancient
        ancient 23 November 2016 18: 54
        +6
        These .. "associates" .. send .... on .. "long erotic journey".
        They started flying on the 15th ... that is. no inspections, no identification of the reasons ... but why ... but BECAUSE ... THE AIRPLANE was COMPLETELY CORRECTED and it was simply ... "drowned" (somewhere we already heard this?)
    2. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: Yuri from Volgograd



      Quite the opposite ... the original version with ... "refusal by" CPN "...... looks ..." far-fetched " soldier
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2016 20: 08
        +5
        Quote: ancient
        Quite the opposite ... the original version with ... "refusal by" CPN "...... looks ..." far-fetched "

        Not for the ears, friend, but for me ... TSA, I'm sorry. And even without anesthesia. request
  3. hirurg
    hirurg 23 November 2016 15: 38
    +4
    Nda! Well, very sorry. It is necessary to draw conclusions and work on the bugs.
    On the other hand, only one who does nothing is not mistaken.
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 18: 57
      +7
      Quote: hirurg
      Nda! Well, very sorry. It is necessary to draw conclusions and work on the bugs.
      On the other hand, only one who does nothing is not mistaken.

      Send the flight director to study at the General Staff Academy, and the Kuznetsov commander ... at least to the Commander of the Fleet soldier
      For such .. sorry .. "mistakes" you know what to do .... wassat
  4. 210ox
    210ox 23 November 2016 15: 39
    +6
    People are safe, this is the main thing .. And the deck team to teach, teach and teach again ..
    1. sandroart
      sandroart 23 November 2016 16: 38
      +2
      Yeah to teach, even the Chinese work on the deck looks more organized
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEZmu4E-q4
      little white, yellow, green, all in helmets, everything is like in the USA, but with us ..
  5. newcomer
    newcomer 23 November 2016 15: 43
    +7
    Well. otherwise you started with the guilt of the pilot, ended with your favorite whipping topic: do we need a ship's moment, and even a moment? and that in how! technicians on the cruiser did not work, so to speak, the human technician was the working factor.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 November 2016 16: 22
      0
      Quote: newbie
      technicians on the cruiser did not work, so to speak, the human technician was the working factor.

      Or maybe it's techies, or rather engineers from an instant ?? About that most likely.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 23 November 2016 17: 22
        +12
        I’ll look at your “warm” attitude towards the Migovites. it’s impossible not to love the brand or its plane. what is your interest, only without pathetics. you are somehow very hot, this is not normal.
  6. Xroft
    Xroft 23 November 2016 15: 44
    +4
    Why be surprised this is the first exit of our aircraft carrier on a combat mission, the force majeure situation has not been canceled. The question is different and the use of it? I sincerely hope that after the Syrian campaign, the question of creating a new aircraft carrier will be buried and normal frigates / destroyers will begin to do in droves.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 23 November 2016 17: 04
      +4
      I sincerely hope that after the Syrian campaign, the question of creating a new aircraft carrier will be buried
      Why didn’t the aircraft carriers please you? As practice shows, a good AUG away from its shores has not bothered anyone. We are not talking about the carrier fleet, for example, like the United States (the need for a military presence around the world). but a pair of full-fledged aircraft carriers, such a power as Russia, is simply necessary.
    2. Lynch
      Lynch 23 November 2016 18: 11
      +2
      The aircraft carrier is not so much a combat unit as a geopolitical one, they are needed to demonstrate the "flag" and the strength of the state.
  7. Enoch
    Enoch 23 November 2016 15: 45
    +4
    But Khmeimim would not have flown to the air base if it had not been circling.
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 23 November 2016 16: 01
      +1
      Good question, backfill! wink
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 23 November 2016 16: 35
      +3
      Well, this is another department, a report would go upstairs, there would be a trial, why in a normal situation, the plane went to the VKS?

      Obviously, it was with this in mind that they initially made the decision. Cable break routine, no emergency. Obfuscation is also a standard procedure. All this has clear guidelines for elimination.

      Having the standard and the remaining fuel - they made a reasonable decision at that time. Then, the standard was thwarted (for any reason, again), and Cyprus remained or circled - the team said another minute and everything worked.
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 23 November 2016 17: 01
        +3
        Translating into simple - Do not want to make dirty linen in public? So that the naval ones do not disgrace themselves in front of the air forces? So the car is lost at the cost of tens of millions of American rubles. Who will answer for this?
    3. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 18: 59
      +4
      Quote: monk
      But Khmeimim would not have flown to the air base if it had not been circling.

      Yeah .... wassat 630 liters is 300 km. Range ... to Hmeimim about 100, or even less lol
      1. vanek77
        vanek77 23 November 2016 20: 39
        +2
        It was rash to send a fighter on a campaign, he was still far from that, he still had to work and work at NITK, not to mention using all the combat capabilities of the fighter. There is still a version of what happened on the sites, but it’s too early to write about it, there are no links, nothing. Personal statements of people. But I hope that in any case, the program will not be closed.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 November 2016 23: 45
          +5
          Quote: vanek77
          It was rash to send a fighter on a campaign, he was still far from that, he still had to work and work at NITK, not to mention using all the combat capabilities of the fighter. There is still a version of what happened on the sites, but it’s too early to write about it, there are no links, nothing. Personal statements of people. But I hope that in any case, the program will not close

          But didn’t our MIGs run on Vikra? And more than one month ...
  8. Dezinto
    Dezinto 23 November 2016 15: 47
    +2
    Damn how ridiculous it happened. It's good that everyone is safe. But this does not count!
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 23 November 2016 15: 59
      +3
      In any case, it’s somehow unpleasant in my soul from what happened.
  9. Ramzai
    Ramzai 23 November 2016 15: 50
    0
    Why not get it from the bottom of the sea? Surely there is a new avionics "under the heading". And they can do it for us, if they haven't already. For one thing, they would figure out the reasons, and perhaps restore the plane if the glider is intact. Who knows what is the depth at the splashdown site?
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 November 2016 16: 04
      0
      Who knows what depth is in the splash site?


      That's it. The average depth of the Mediterranean Sea is 1541 m, the maximum - 5121 m.

      Maybe in the place where the plane lay at the bottom all five kilometers. request
      1. Lynch
        Lynch 23 November 2016 16: 29
        +1
        http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2821568
        The wreckage of the aircraft was discovered and already lifted aboard the ship. According to preliminary data, the plane crashed due to a technical malfunction.

        It is quite possible that "Vesti" is not lying and managed to pick it up.
    2. vanek77
      vanek77 23 November 2016 20: 44
      +1
      It is already crushed by pressure, there are depths like in the ocean.
  10. Professor
    Professor 23 November 2016 15: 52
    +13
    The team “Kuznetsova failed to eliminate the malfunction in a short time. Meanwhile, the fighter, who was in the air, produced all the fuel, and the pilot was eventually forced to eject.

    I do not believe. He could have gone to a spare in Latakia.
    1. marshes
      marshes 23 November 2016 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Professor
      I do not believe. He could have gone to a spare in Latakia.

      Good time of the day, I don't know how far from the coast the squadron is "spinning".
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 23 November 2016 16: 01
        +5
        Allegedly 40 km. For some time I agree with the professors.
      2. Professor
        Professor 23 November 2016 16: 03
        +3
        Quote: marshes
        Good time of the day, I don't know how far from the coast the squadron is "spinning".

        I know. Russia has declared this zone "no-fly" for the purpose of firing.
        1. marshes
          marshes 23 November 2016 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          I know. Russia has declared this zone "no-fly" for the purpose of firing.

          And if you would request a landing in Israel, would you not refuse without creating too much hype in the press? smile
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 November 2016 18: 35
            +6
            Quote: marshes
            And if you would request a landing in Israel, would you not refuse without creating too much hype in the press?

            Allowed without hesitation. We fed and watered the pilot. Bathed in the bathhouse. Would fill the board and send home.
            1. marshes
              marshes 23 November 2016 18: 39
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Allowed without hesitation. We fed and watered the pilot. Bathed in the bathhouse. Would fill the board and send home.

              Without sarcasm? laughing
              So I think, distended pride prevented.
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 November 2016 18: 46
                +3
                Quote: marshes
                Without sarcasm?
                So I think, distended pride prevented.

                Absolutely no sarcasm. The Russian landing ship has already visited us. By the way, today we have a British landing party on a visit.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 23 November 2016 18: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  By the way, today we have a British landing party on a visit.

                  Those who feel? Memories do not prevail? smile
                  So for fun, the weather is like?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 23 November 2016 19: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: marshes
                    Those who feel? Memories do not prevail?

                    Fuck knows. I was not in Haifa today, I didn’t go to pubs.

                    Quote: marshes
                    So for fun, how's the weather?

                    Horrible. Strong southeast wind (from the desert) with gusts of up to 10 m / s. Now plus 15 degrees. 18% rel. humidity.
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 23 November 2016 19: 38
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Horrible. Strong southeast wind (from the desert) with gusts of up to 10 m / s. Now plus 15 degrees. 18% rel. humidity.

                      In Ashdod, my brother-in-law's mother said that she’s not.
                      In winter in Eilat, when is it better to rest? So that the air is over 30 and the water is about 20 and above.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 23 November 2016 20: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: marshes
                        In winter in Eilat, when is it better to rest? So that the air is over 30 and the water is about 20 and above.

                        Water in the Red Sea is always above 20. EMNIP then it is around 24 all year round.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat
                    2. marshes
                      marshes 23 November 2016 20: 05
                      0
                      By the way Professor, a photo from the monitor, something familiar and where I saw I do not remember.
                      SAM or Meteorology, Air Base or Airport?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 23 November 2016 20: 57
                        +3
                        Photo from my weather station.


        2. donavi49
          donavi49 23 November 2016 16: 41
          +4
          Well, there the zone is quite extensive and not the fact that everything was in 40 km, and not in 60 or 100.

          Most likely, the initial decision was made simply - ordinary failure with a clear performance standard. The aircraft has sufficient fuel remaining. If you send to the videoconferencing, the report will go to the very top and there will be a trial that is not needed.

          When the norm was disrupted, it was too late to send. Probably reached Cyprus, but this is a completely different level of emergency with unclear consequences. And again, MSS will work out as quickly as possible in that situation. And in Syria it would be more difficult.
    2. freejack
      freejack 23 November 2016 16: 06
      +10
      But I believe! ... It's enough to be Russian! ..) At first, the "responsible" comrades said - hirnya! Wait! We'll fix it! ... And when we realized that everything was complicated, there was not enough fuel to go to Latakia ... Purely my opinion ... negative In general, the guys are right - the pilot is alive, this is the main thing ...)
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 23 November 2016 23: 40
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      I do not believe. He could have gone to a spare in Latakia.

      The question of faith is a personal matter for everyone ...
      And the second one. If he could, he would certainly leave ... But apparently it didn’t work out! ...
      If the recorders are raised, we will find out the exact reason. But this too is unlikely.
  11. Uryukc
    Uryukc 23 November 2016 15: 52
    +1
    Hmm, I don’t even know which is worse ..
    Although I don’t know, it’s worse, because the plane drowned for $ 30 million due to a torn cable. Really nobody watched his condition ...
    1. marshes
      marshes 23 November 2016 16: 00
      +1
      Quote: Uryukc
      Although I don’t know, it’s worse, because the plane drowned for $ 30 million due to a torn cable. Wasn’t anyone already following his (cable) condition ...

      THERE, there is a whole team that serves the aerofinisher. Their experience is rich, their cables are torn quite often, but their replacement is quick. Trainings are almost daily for replacing cables, but without going to sea.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 23 November 2016 16: 05
        +2
        Well, you probably read the news ...
        The team “Kuznetsova failed to eliminate the malfunction in a short time. Meanwhile, the fighter, who was in the air, produced all the fuel, and the pilot was eventually forced to eject.

        This is frankly out of the ordinary. Have you heard that anyone else would lose planes due to torn cables? Why was there so little fuel? Why didn't the fighter land in Latakia? In short, again, either a muddy situation, or shameful, neither one nor the other pleases ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 23 November 2016 16: 14
          +1
          Quote: Uryukc
          This is frankly out of the ordinary. Have you heard that anyone else would lose planes due to torn cables? Why was there so little fuel? Why didn't the fighter land in Latakia? In short, again, either a muddy situation, or shameful, neither one nor the other pleases ...

          Yes, it’s not necessary so strictly, Kuzya for a long time can be said to be standing at the pier, then intensive use began. A new thing.
          Over time, everything will form. Training and training. THERE, I heard the cables change in a very short time, well, the experience is almost more than 70 years. I will not say in time. So I talked to one.
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 23 November 2016 16: 21
            +1
            Quote: Vlad5307
            No, old fellow! It was just that the service staff was not ready for this element of work, i.e. there are miscalculations in the preparation of hp Uncle Kuzi, alas.

            I agree with Vlad. And other issues have not been resolved.
            Quote: marshes
            Over time, everything will form

            Of course, it is formed, otherwise.
    2. vanek77
      vanek77 23 November 2016 20: 54
      +3
      Our ship is more expensive than the Indian and is not sour. The Indians also wanted such a complete set, but cheaper, and after refusal they began to "water" the fighter. That they have only a couple of boards of workers, only here is a photo of the past spring, or summer. The number of boards on the Vikra is not sour. Our MiGar is cooler and more expensive.
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 23 November 2016 21: 09
        +1
        Ours is more expensive? (finally domestic prices are cheaper than the price of exporting) And even there is something that is not available in Indian C (CUB)? )
        1. vanek77
          vanek77 23 November 2016 21: 50
          +1
          The Indians have a lot of imports on avionics (including from Ukraine and to them most of all complaints, including delivery). On our engines like digital, a new SINS (by the way, they haven't really run it in yet), Pilots write on the forums that a lot is automated when landing, which is not on the "Biscuit" and the Indians, there is still a lot that I do not understand when reading, and for this its price is approaching the price of Sukhar. As for RSK MiG, five people from Sukhoi structures work in the main positions there, and until they are replaced by technicians from MiG, there is no good to wait. For example, the Minister of Defense literally knocks out of them an increase in the configuration of the MiG-35, and suggested that they shove the slit into themselves, and he punches the OVT. Strange as it may seem, the person who was supposed to run around the offices and knock it all out himself is Sergey Korotkov. Here's a paradox. OVT like on "Klimov" saw, I hope that they are for our cars. AFAR seems to be squeezing out too, but it is not yet known, albeit an export version, but still this is not a SCAR. As long as the current managers are sitting there, there is no good to wait, it is necessary to plant offices.
          1. Rustam
            Rustam 23 November 2016 23: 48
            +1
            I asked a question ? You did not answer, and you suffered.

            MIG-29KR (KUBR) is cheaper than the Indian version + Hindu has what we do not have
  12. zGomeRz
    zGomeRz 23 November 2016 15: 53
    +2
    Here is how they described it in the Feed: https://lenta.ru/news/2016/11/23/mig29/
    Now heads will fly.
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    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 23 November 2016 16: 09
      +2
      Interestingly, but do not share the link?
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        1. Uryukc
          Uryukc 23 November 2016 17: 07
          +1
          Thanks for the link.
    2. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 19: 10
      +7
      Quote: rudolff
      There is such a version:
      This version is more believable. If the fuel was running out, I would try to land in Hmeimim or at any other airdrome, where the coast is within easy reach.


      Hi ... Hi fellow drinks

      The version is so-so ... "lame on both legs", i.e. engine failure (both at once) is either fuel ... or ... THAT ... or sabotage.
      1. They refueled all three ... two villages, and one ... "stalled" wassat
      2. So it is necessary to sort out and recheck all the fuel automatics and "engine body kits", ie. all NR, FN, etc. and so on (you yourself understand that there is no laboratory and a small factory on board).
      The article directly says that the reason is still being ... investigated ... but that didn’t prevent the pair of Migovs from taking off already on the 15th.
      So ... I'm 99,9% sure that the plane ... "was simply drowned" because of .... complete fool
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  14. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 23 November 2016 16: 03
    +5
    Quote: STARPER
    Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!

    No, old fellow! It was just that the service staff was not ready for this element of work, i.e. there are miscalculations in the preparation of hp Uncle Kuzi, alas. soldier
    1. OLD FART
      OLD FART 23 November 2016 16: 46
      0
      Quote: Vlad5307
      Quote: STARPER
      Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!

      No, old fellow! It was just that the service staff was not ready for this element of work, i.e. there are miscalculations in the preparation of hp Uncle Kuzi, alas. soldier

      Anything can be ...! Why "suck" all this now, the professor has already connected, snide as always ... Let's agree that Israel knocked him out or Hezbollah!)))) Good guys exaggerate .. Everything is normal and regular!
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 23 November 2016 17: 44
        +3
        Che then normal? that they killed the plane (and didn’t take it to a spare ground plane) or, as they say, it has problems with the electronics and otmazyvay RSK MIG (and here quality problems), won’t worry the Indians with their
      2. Uryukc
        Uryukc 23 November 2016 18: 17
        +4
        What upsets you more, that the Professor is mocking (he didn’t notice that he would have pulled our guns now) or that our plane was drowned, the cable was broken, the fuel ran out, the team worked not smoothly? But the question is rhetorical.
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 23 November 2016 18: 36
        +2
        Quote: STARPER
        Good guys to exaggerate .. Everything is normal and regular!

        Yeah, everything is fine with us, Kuzya smokes like a coal steamer, air finishers, it seems that the commerce is delivered from plasticine, then the engines fail and the plane goes to the bottom. Not the cheapest, I must say, an airplane. Something is wrong in our kingdom.
        Thank God the pilot is alive.
        And so, the feeling is kind of rotten, it’s not clear that we bombed there in Syria, what kind of success we achieved, but we lost two planes and a turntable. And most importantly, lost people! But to hell ?? request
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 23 November 2016 18: 48
          +2
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          Quote: STARPER
          Good guys to exaggerate .. Everything is normal and regular!

          Yeah, everything is fine with us, Kuzya smokes like a coal steamer, air finishers, it seems that the commerce is delivered from plasticine, then the engines fail and the plane goes to the bottom. Not the cheapest, I must say, an airplane. Something is wrong in our kingdom.
          Thank God the pilot is alive.
          And so, the feeling is kind of rotten, it’s not clear that we bombed there in Syria, what kind of success we achieved, but we lost two planes and a turntable. And most importantly, lost people! But to hell ?? request


          Of course, everything is fine with them)) the cut is going as it should with 100% payment in advance, according to some contracts, everything is charming the price rises, the quality falls, there are no competitors, you can drive hack

          ps- I just want Anatoly again to come back and put them in a stall
      4. ancient
        ancient 23 November 2016 19: 57
        +6
        [quote..Everything is normal and regular! [/ quote]

        So comedian Titarenko soldier

  15. potterz
    potterz 23 November 2016 16: 03
    +1
    Quote: Uryukc
    Hmm, I don’t even know which is worse ..
    Although I don’t know, it’s worse, because the plane drowned for $ 30 million due to a torn cable. Really nobody watched his condition ...

    But I can’t understand, was it really impossible to land on an air base on land? Or am I misunderstanding something?
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 23 November 2016 18: 21
      +2
      And you are not alone in misunderstanding this story. Our even emergency landings on the highway work out, well, not really it was impossible to reach the ground. I hope the future news will clarify the situation.
  16. Yugra
    Yugra 23 November 2016 16: 06
    0
    I can’t find the information anywhere: did they get it, will they get it? The armament was still on it, apparently ...
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 23 November 2016 16: 11
      +3
      so they got it, get it?


      I don’t think so. Fig who there now can and will do this. It seems to me. request

      What to get? Who to get? Divers?

      To get an airplane from the bottom is a kind of operation. But there are no bathyscaphes.
    2. Lynch
      Lynch 23 November 2016 16: 31
      0
      I have already thrown one of the options for the situation:
      http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2821568
      The wreckage of the aircraft was discovered and already lifted aboard the ship. According to preliminary data, the plane crashed due to a technical malfunction.

      It is quite possible that "Vesti" is not lying and managed to pick it up.
  17. vik669
    vik669 23 November 2016 16: 16
    0
    reports bmpd with reference to a reliable source - it seems that the reliable source is the same as that of John Kirby.
  18. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 23 November 2016 16: 19
    0
    The main thing is that the pilot is really alive ... soldier
  19. Dave36
    Dave36 23 November 2016 16: 20
    +2
    Oh and ho ... They are lying, and they don’t understand ... where is the truth .. Something I don’t hear from Shoigu reaction to the capture of our double basses, even if not very smart ...
  20. sub307
    sub307 23 November 2016 16: 21
    +4
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: STARPER
    Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses.

    And what is normal in this ??? But was it impossible to send a plane to Khmeimim ??? He has a radius of action such that he can fly to Baghdad!

    STARPER has everything fine, "crap" in the commentary does not linger. That is exactly why it was necessary to produce fuel? Not in the middle of the ocean "podzhilis" .... Another thing, if you were counting just on well-coordinated work to restore the finishers, but it turned out "look like" .... And officially no one spoke after the incident, the Ministry of Defense is keeping quiet .... " Debriefing "did not finish chtoli, or do not choose the" switchman "?
  21. Shmal_
    Shmal_ 23 November 2016 16: 43
    +4
    Who are they holding us for? They want to convince us that the plane flew in a circle around the aircraft carrier in anticipation of landing permission, and without receiving such a collapsed into the water producing fuel? What kind of nonsense? The decision always remains with the pilot! And he knew very well how much he could circle with Kuznetsov before he worked out the rest of the fuel before the runway in Latakia! I will never believe that he obeyed the idiotic order not to follow Khmeimim, if there was one! What he donated a new car!
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 28 November 2016 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Shmal_
      I will never believe that he obeyed the idiotic order

      Option. The pilot reports that the fuel to Hmeimim is just left. He is ordered to stay - they say in a minute they will be allowed to sit down. And then the "minute" dragged on, and the ground airfield could no longer be reached.
      The pilot, he is not a predictor, does not know what is happening on the deck.
  22. alex-pmr
    alex-pmr 23 November 2016 16: 48
    +1
    If this was the situation, why was it to ruin the car. After all, it was possible to land at the Khmeimim airbase ... I think there would be enough fuel ..
  23. Karaul73
    Karaul73 23 November 2016 16: 55
    +7
    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    I want to believe, but after explaining about the malfunction of the side, the version looks clumsy.

    In MO, you need to introduce the full-time unit of the Storyteller to communicate with the media, otherwise lately such a blizzard is being carried, directly inconvenient for the army.
  24. Orionvit
    Orionvit 23 November 2016 17: 16
    +2
    Quote: rudolff
    Already while the aircraft was in the waiting area, both engines failed

    I did not hear more stupidity. Both engines can fail only in case of their failure, i.e. damage. Regarding the cessation of fuel supply, you have not heard that in aviation, all the main systems (and the fuel system, this is one of the most basic) are duplicated. If you meant that the fuel ran out, then write. By the way, who will tell you what should be the minimum fuel supply during landing, subject to the possibility of leaving for the second round?
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    2. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Orionvit
      I did not hear more stupidity. Both engines can fail only in case of their failure, i.e. damage. Regarding the cessation of fuel supply, you have not heard that in aviation, all the main systems (and the fuel system, this is one of the most basic) are duplicated. If you meant that the fuel ran out, then write. By the way, who will tell you what should be the minimum fuel supply during landing, subject to the possibility of leaving for the second round?

      Quote: Orionvit
      I did not hear more stupidity. Both engines can fail only in case of their failure, i.e. damage. Regarding the cessation of fuel supply, you have not heard that in aviation, all the main systems (and the fuel system, this is one of the most basic) are duplicated. If you meant that the fuel ran out, then write. By the way, who will tell you what should be the minimum fuel supply during landing, subject to the possibility of leaving for the second round?

      It's a pity ... that you didn't hear ... ESP refusal and that's it ... "and there is silence around" .. what do you want then do wink
      Come on, come on ... from this place ... in more detail ... about ... "duplicated or emergency fuel system") wassat
      For Mig-29 .... 300 liters is a guaranteed approach with going to the second round and re-entering with landing (flight according to the 2-flight scheme for 180 g) soldier soldier
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 24 November 2016 12: 48
        0
        from this place ... in more detail ... about ... "redundant or emergency fuel system"
        What, the "hose" is clogged, or the fuel pump "stuck"? And both engines stopped. sad
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  26. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 23 November 2016 17: 46
    0
    It's all about contracts ...
  27. Region39
    Region39 23 November 2016 18: 10
    +2
    Quote: STARPER
    Yes, everything is fine, why make excuses ... The situation is like that!

    The crash of the aircraft, regardless of the cause, is just from the category of non-normal phenomena.
  28. cannabis
    cannabis 23 November 2016 18: 30
    +1
    The reason for the crash of an airplane is as old as the world - jealousy. Here’s an armored one, he’s trampling from a small town, but a boat strokes sea curls and furiously plows the sea surface, well, what’s the plane? He also has the right .... But then he did not guess. And to sit down on a small town and on a little water with acceleration, it’s not to jump into a vein. Well, the girls were jealous, the stump is clear! Neither you nor me ..... decided to see so.
  29. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 23 November 2016 18: 33
    0
    There is such a thing. They are torn. But here ...
  30. Pasha
    Pasha 23 November 2016 18: 57
    +2
    as they say, to the designer for a note.
    Well, the rest will be useful for the future.
    and it was impossible to land on land?
  31. Lucy
    Lucy 23 November 2016 20: 50
    +3
    Version for suckers who do not know the organization of flights.
    1. ancient
      ancient 23 November 2016 22: 59
      0
      Quote: lusya
      Version for suckers who do not know the organization of flights.


      For those who know ... about ... "the organization of flights:

      A criminal case has been opened in St. Petersburg against a general whose actions, according to the investigation, led to the destruction of the Su-27 fighter — the car crashed in Karelia in the summer. Investigators accuse Kanamat Botashev of illegally getting into the cockpit and then spinning aerobatics, which was not provided for in the flight plan.

      As reported to ITAR-TASS in the press service of the Main Military Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee of Russia, "the military investigation department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Western Military District has initiated a criminal case against the commander of military unit 23326, Major General Kanamat Botashev, on the grounds of a crime under Article 351 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. ("Violation of flight rules") ". The sanction under this article provides for up to 7 years in prison.

      The UK reports: "On June 28, Botashev, while supervising tactical flight exercises, without being trained and not having the appropriate permit to fly on the Su-27, contrary to the established rules, decided to participate in an aerial weather reconnaissance flight ... Su-27UB with General- Major Kanamat Botashev took off on board. During the flight, Botashev, taking control of the aircraft, began to perform unplanned flight missions aerobatics. During the performance of the "Bell" figure, the fighter went into an inverted spin. failed, the crew ejected. "

      The plane crashed and, according to experts, cannot be recovered. The state suffered damage in the amount of over 100 million rubles.

      1. Lucy
        Lucy 24 November 2016 20: 12
        +1
        Have you changed your nickname and pepper again? This is the Internet
        Tell us about "book number 1"!

        I agree, - the Air Force is a country of miracles.
        THERE WAS a bad-headed g-l / lieutenant who did not release the landing gear, Toidi KAE who drove his wife on an L-39, there is a GSS test pilot from the "good" g-la who drove a cap of 1 rank on a Su-25utg with a hook. So what?
        Even at the school, cadets are told that in aviation you can’t surprise anyone!
        And Art. av. the head, RP understand, know that they are on the BS, and not near the Kola Bay, and how and who makes the decision to leave for ZA, and where and what is written down and who announced the procedure for leaving.

        Such pictures in black and white, sometimes with charred bodies, I have seen enough in stamped documents.

        Well, if suckers like it, let them do it!
  32. razved
    razved 23 November 2016 21: 15
    +1
    Particularly pleasing "with reference to a reliable source" ...
  33. Papapg
    Papapg 23 November 2016 23: 40
    0
    In such a situation, it was possible to envisage several options for the development of events, including this one, which means that the plane had to be "readdress" and at least to Khmeimi, Cyprus nearby, the navigators' miscalculation.
  34. Cananecat
    Cananecat 24 November 2016 00: 19
    0
    There is such a thing as a "point of no return", there are so many smart heads in this thread, and no one remembered about it ... even somehow strange. hi
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 24 November 2016 00: 25
      +1
      Quote: Canecat
      There is such a thing as a "point of no return", there are so many smart heads in this thread, and no one remembered about it ...

      - I think, because it is precisely this concept that has nothing to do with the accident yes
      1. ancient
        ancient 24 November 2016 10: 02
        0
        [quote = Cat Man Null] [quote = Canecat] There is such a thing as a "point of no return", there are so many smart heads in this thread, and no one remembered about it ... [/ quote]

        Absolutely right drinks soldier
    2. ancient
      ancient 24 November 2016 10: 01
      0
      Quote: Canecat


      Your .. "point" ... in fact, in aviation, the concept ... BORDER! soldier
  35. CKORPII
    CKORPII 24 November 2016 00: 26
    +2
    OOOT TELLERS for so long in silence and then I gave birth I do not believe
  36. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 24 November 2016 04: 07
    +1
    As far as I remember, the MO declared a malfunction of the engines, and what is this? another lapse !!! It is necessary to understand that the command "rams" and do nothing. For. Throws, the guys need to be responsible
  37. 1536
    1536 24 November 2016 07: 01
    +1
    Couldn't the MiG fly to our bases on the coast? After all, an expensive car to drown in the sea just like that. Besides, there are NATO and US forces all around. They could have stolen anything from the plane. No, I don't know where the aircraft carrier is, how long to fly to the base, but the question begs itself. It remains only to think that the age-old inconsistency in actions played a role. Sailors are not "friendly" with landowners and "flyers". Or worse, our "maybe". Maybe we'll fix it, we'll have time. Didn't you make it in time? Or, again, the adversaries intervened, but they do not tell us that they would not start to finish them here, like chickens?
    Strange, in a word incident. It’s better not to give any info than this. We drove, lost the plane, why do people tease?
  38. Ilya77
    Ilya77 24 November 2016 21: 10
    0
    The standard army way, what is there to be surprised. The authorities were afraid to get a hat, eventually fly away. Nothing new.