On the cruiser "Ukraine" held a control engine start

A photo of the engine launch control of the unfinished cruiser "Ukraine" in Nikolaev appeared in the Internet, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

A comment by one of the users: "The view is great running, like in the country of the same name."

It is noted that in 2014, the head of the Mykolaiv region called for the ship to be sold immediately, since “the state doesn’t have enough money to complete the construction, and the maintenance of a cruiser, which has been standing by the shipyard wall for many years, costs six million hryvnias per month”.

Last September, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Haiduk, announced that the ship would be sold.

“The cruiser" Ukraine "is a piece broken off from the state, it will be realized, and the proceeds from the sale will go to the construction of new ships and boats," said the Vice-Admiral.

He explained that the ship was designed for navigation instruments that are not manufactured in Ukraine. In addition, "80% of its weapons are Russian-made," said Haiduk.

Help newspaper: “Ukraine” is a Soviet missile cruiser of the Atlant project. The ship was laid in Nikolaev in 1984 year and six years later launched. In the 1993 year, with the division of property of the USSR, a three-quarters cruiser was transferred to Ukraine. Kiev twice made the decision to complete the construction of the ship, its crew was formed and dissolved three times. ”

Comments

[lis-ik]

Maybe it makes sense to buy it, even through left-wing intermediaries? Very sorry ship!

[Mikado]

too late. I think everything is very bad on the ship. We need a new build, a new generation.
I liked the words of the ukrokomandor - "the proceeds from the sale will go to the construction of new ships and boats." Is it to steal money and share it now?

[lis-ik]

It is necessary, but nowhere, and not at all, soon the place will be vacated, just under it. Everything is easier than from scratch.

[Mikado]

Sometimes in support of the old one you can throw in so much money that it is easier to make a new one. The question is that this is a rather narrow ship (although I am not a specialist, and generally a land-based person). To provide air defense, or he will be able to drown the aircraft carrier, but it is unlikely that he is "sharpened" for that, but for the barmaley, to suppress a point object on land. That is, you need to look at the concept of fleet development.
And the ship is really a pity .. We wouldn’t hurt this fourth, of course ..

[cast iron]

Why not. "Granites" are quite real to burn on barmaley. And for the price of a shot it will not be much more expensive than the "caliber".

[Mikado]

did not know honestly. I thought it was a special-purpose RCC.

[cast iron]

The guidance system is more complicated than on "calibers". And so there are no restrictions on shooting at ground targets.

[Monarchist]

They will build 10-12 "battleships" of the Gyurz a type (Genechinsk, Ackerman) and say: we have the latest and super-duper ships and now let's go chase Muscovites.

[nerd.su]

Well why already steal. Presidential yacht and a couple of admiral boats will be built

[siberalt]

Now it is only suitable as a target in exercises.

[Every]

Ukrainians may even think of using it as a target, but it will be the most unsinkable target in the world. What will they shoot from?

[Sterlya]

Quote: lis-ik

Maybe it makes sense to buy it, even through left-wing intermediaries? Very sorry ship!

There is no point anymore. Maybe someone will buy a crowbar.

[Major Yurik]

"There are no more bets, gentlemen, Ukraine is sold!"
I would like to see the tribe who bought this Khokhlohlam, although the coral reef from it will turn out to be good!

[Sagittarius]

Apparently, this cruiser is waiting for the fate of being sawn into needles.

[Seva]

some kind of rusty crap, like everything else they have, including brains.

[newcomer]

the cruiser will be sold as scrap, and the money will go to the lace panties of the wives of the admirals of the navy. and the admirals are there, more sailors.

[Monarchist]

I think they will be able to rivet several pieces of battleships of the Genichinsk type. Producer "Leninskaya Kuznya" (where is the lustration?) - the property of Pan Pedro

[mmk]

It is now only a new weapon to test.

[cast iron]

He is at least 85% ready. Quote from wiki. Why break it? It would be better if the government of the Russian Federation came up with how to buy and finish it on the cheap.

[Thunderbolt]

Why does he need an engine, is it there at all? Maybe the fat in the pan burned?
But in general, our industry will give dviglo for large ships --- then you can smile.

[inkass_98]

The idea that there the homeless people just lit a fire, just hovers in the air. I doubt that there remained engines suitable for starting without a subsequent disaster.

[Thunderbolt]

Or the tobacco in the fleet ended and they were given electronic cigarettes. Smoke was no less from them. In the summer I saw such eccentrics in auto flow --- a window on the open door and from there dense smoke fell. For the first time I almost pulled out of the car at the traffic lights to help fire put out, and then only neighing hard when these miracles were seen

[Monarchist]

"Our industry will give dviglo for large ships ..." The point is that there is a M98 (analogue of the Ukrainian GT D), and the "admirals" are without dviguns. In fact, they are a GTE that "hobbled" us a lot

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: Thunderbolt

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Stormbreaker Today, 16: 41 New
Why does he need an engine, is he there at all

There are two lads aft, two oars, 35 knots provided.

[my five cents]

Ukraine is sold in parts. This is good news! No money, but what did they wait for?

[Mountain shooter]

This is tens of thousands of tons of metal. Sell ​​for scrap. No one will finish building it in this state.

[Stone]

If the Chinese buy it, then in 2 years they will make a "candy" from it.

[Vadim237]

Well, the Chinese will probably buy it - it will be the first missile cruiser in the Chinese Navy.

[novobranets]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, the Chinese will probably buy it - it will be the first missile cruiser in the Chinese Navy.

No one will buy it . This topic has already been discussed here. Without proper care, the housing in some places rusted to a critical state. Now it is suitable only for scrap. So much labor down the drain.

[Cat]

Well, well, be careful with the cats, why the heck ... I need a missile cruiser in the Ural Mountains, and even under the tail?

[novobranets]

Sorry. That I had in mind such ma-a-scarlet, fur seals, woolen . And the mother crucifix is ​​clear stump cruiser to anything. Carrying with him in the mountains is troublesome.

[venik]

Quote: Sten

If the Chinese buy

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Do not buy !!! About 20 years ago, maybe they would have been seduced .... And now - they’re already building better (well, at least - in a more modern way)!

[gloomy fox]

if only it makes no sense to sell, finish building and repair for metal. Any "Buyan" will tear it like a hot water bottle.

[cast iron]

This is how the medium-old anti-ship missiles "caliber" or "onyx" will sever a ship with long-range anti-ship missiles "Granit"? And also the "Atlanta" radio electronics are more helpful and on the eyes. And he also has a better air defense system.

[Zibelew]

On the cruiser Ukraine there is no granite, no volcano, no basalt. Granite on the Atlanteans never stood. This cruiser is rotten and old as a threshing floor mammoth. So I’ll break it apart as a target will not be a problem.

[cast iron]

My mistake. Volcano of course, not granite. What makes you think that he rotted? Outside, of course it is rusty - after all, no one regularly paints it, because there are no sailors on it. But the case as a whole should be made of steel, which resists salt water well.

[nnm]

Given the name of the ship, the photo looks very symbolic ....

[Masya masya]

Yeah ... no luck to the cruiser with the name ... What do you call the ship ...

[Iline]

Finally guessed that in addition to oars, you can use the engine. It remains only to find the ocean (the ship is intended for the ocean zone).

[marlin1203]

Do not understand. Did they launch the GEM? Kaaak?

[Vadim237]

See GEM in working condition contained.

[novobranets]

Quote: marlin1203

Kaaak?

The smoke bomb was set on fire, and they said: - Mustache pratsyuє.

[cast iron]

Judging by the article on the Wiki, this cruiser is built at least 85%. Not surprisingly, the GEM works.

[Kibl]

The eternal Khokhlyatsky principle, not to people themselves! The thief’s redneck!

[vanavatny]

did not know what it rolls with unfinished Soviet cruisers

[Dimka75]

in the photo the "Moskvich" car is "rolled" with a handle - very symbolic))

[jovanni]

There is no ship, but the engines are running! Paradox...

[Tatar 174]

This is something from STALKER ... Well, in general, Ukraine is now the Zone, a lot of things are happening there and for some reason the engines suddenly started working on the unfinished ship

[masiya]

It’s not clear, in figs, to drive the engines away, before selling them for scrap ... or for metal working engines a couple of euros will give more ???

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: masiya

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masiya Today, 17:19 New
It’s not clear that they’ll drive engines away

Moskalsky solarium remained, to destroy!

[sandroart]

6 million hryvnias monthly! Wow, how much then our state spends on the maintenance of its ships and submarines.

[olegyurjewitch]

Probably a lot of hryvnias. The power fleet !, submarines scour the world’s curse, scare everyone you can! Skitter bastards!

[antivirus]

when the Indians are sold, it is necessary to clean the letters "outskirts" so that I ... they shine like a cat

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: antivirus

it is necessary to clean the letters "suburb",

These letters have already been handed over as a color.

[Zibelew]

Quote: inkass_98

The idea that there the homeless people just lit a fire, just hovers in the air.

I doubt about the homeless, but there are definitely no sailors on this ship ...

[bald]

The Japanese will take it cheaply.

[Vitale]

Admiral really trends, what boats and new ships - they will cut lava and the whole fairy tale

[novel66]

expensive cheap - sorry a handsome ship disappears. take away and restore if (when) Ukraine will be with us \. even the name can be left

[bald]

I agree, this is a story, even a walking one in a museum. But the locust eats everything in its path.

[Incvizitor]

Let the owners of the ukram wash away the new scrap metal (or rather firewood) steam it all the same, it constantly breaks, welded to the pier, like "Zaporozhye" and beauty.

The newest USS Zumwalt destroyer crashed while passing the Panama Canal. About this writes the publication Defense News with reference to a statement by the US Navy.
A preliminary cause of the breakdown is associated with heat exchangers in the ship’s propulsion system, which provides power to various ship systems.

According to the publication, Zumwalt, heading to the home port in San Diego, had to be towed to Rodman's base in Panamanian Balboa.

[Bradypodidae]

the maintenance of the cruiser, which has stood at the shipyard wall for many years, costs six million hryvnias a month. ”
A maximum of 20000 hryvnias for VOKHOR + consumption of the same VOKHOR of water and electricity. Let it be 30, oh well, + 80000. That’s 100000 hryvnias per month. Judging by the appearance of the ship, they no longer spend anything on it. The rest of the money settles in their pockets.
And I'm curious. If 80 percent. the cruiser’s weapons are doing in Russia, what are they doing in Ukraine? 20 percent remaining, what is it?

[Vlad5307]

Kiev twice made the decision to complete the ship, its crew formed and disbanded three times. ”

History is akin to the history of ukromaydan! Therefore, there will be no state of Ukraine, as well as the cruiser of the same name!

[massad1]

I honestly admit: I read the thread to the middle somewhere, brothers don't blame me if I repeat myself somewhere, but it seems to me that in the 12-13th year it was a question of buying out the last Atlant, but it seems like our specialists went to Nikolaev and concluded that the ship would not only have to be refurbished in full, but that the hull had rotted to hell while standing at the wall of the plant. And it seems, if my memory serves me, for this very reason, plus the fact that the guys with 404 (then it was not quite 404 yet) broke a completely fabulous price at that time - the subject was not purchased.
On the other hand, I want to say - "GLORY TO GOD !!!" that Ukraine did not finish building this cruiser. Now it would be the most concrete hemorrhoid in the Black Sea basin, in view of the fact that Project 1164 to this day is one of the most powerful in weapons and the fastest (within the class) warships.
But at the same time it is a pity to contemplate "Atlant", the pinnacle of thought of Soviet engineers, in such a deplorable state

[Evgeny RS]

I do not believe in rot. Is Nikolaev real sea water?

[Zema2307]

Sorry beautiful

[maxim947]

Quote: sandroart

Well, why no one. The Chinese can talk. What is there no technology is there any?

The Chinese themselves are now building, buying off and learning how they wouldn’t have to buy from them later ... In general, if for a normal price, it would not hurt Russia (plus symbolically). But knowing the shit of sellers - it’s better not to mess with

[Zema2307]

It is a pity, a beautiful and good boat, would return it to modernization. What is the difference or 5 years to build a new or 5 years to upgrade the old.

[Evgeny RS]

As if, we ourselves have nothing to modernize. It is better to raise ADMIRAL LAZAREV after Nakhimov.

[Ronino]

but it was painted quite well under ancient rust ...

[SevaNikolaev]

And I ran to work under him to the other side, when he - "Admiral of the Fleet Lobov", stood on the slipway. Lobov's son was present at the descent. The descent was beautiful.

[Altona]

Quote: Alex777

The engine is started - think - why? Since most do not know, I will answer, the conservation regime assumes this. At the beginning of the year, to go to sea on his engines, he needed 2 months to prepare. It's a pity we don't have such a "Chinese" who Liaoning bought from them for a pittance. The Chinese do not need this cruiser. They have already learned to build many of the best ships. Hindus too

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You look, sho in his case the good pictures are available on the Internet. There are all analog sample of 1978. CRT monitors, ancient radio stations, computers, locator equipment. There, everything must be pulled out and radically changed.

[cast iron]

Alteration of internal equipment will be much cheaper than designing, approving and building a new type of missile cruiser analogue of Project 1164. If I remember correctly, the Russian Navy needs AUG destroyers not just here and now, but yesterday. This means that each such opportunity to introduce another URO cruiser relatively quickly into the fleet is a very very important potential cruiser that cannot be neglected.

[olegyurjewitch]

Quote: cast iron

The main task of Atlant is to fight the AUG. But the corvettes of the Caspian flotilla may well fight with the barmaley podudikim. So I strongly doubt that you will roll out a frigate or corvette against the AUG and that you can do something to her. "Calibers" against "Volcanoes" are much inferior as anti-ship missiles.

[Manul]

It’s not worth taking .. But we can concede to Kharkov, Odessa, Mariupol and several other large cities. We pick up the ship and all the named cities so that you have fewer problems.

[Bradypodidae]

Agreed.Only the first, make Lviv and Chernivtsi become the same as Donetsk airport became

[Pushkar]

Interesting. what will the Chinese call him when they buy at the price of scrap metal?

[Black Separ]

Quote: Pushkar

Interesting. what will the Chinese call him when they buy at the price of scrap metal?

Duc, like .. "Mudan-Maidan"

[Black Separ]

The average corrosion rate of the steel surface in sea water is 0,1 mm / year .. Pit corrosion - 1 mm / year .. Multiplied by 20 years and we get: the underwater part of the body has become thinner by an average of 2 mm over the entire surface, plus the body has numerous pockets of ulcerative corrosion with a depth of 1 to 20 mm; this is not counting electrochemical, erosion and cavitation corrosion .. Well, and who needs a body made not clear by anyone, and it’s not clear how, and even with epic force corroding?
... and the ship is the archer "The ship by its very appearance should inspire the enemy!"

[beeper]

Water in Nikolaev is river, not sea

[ochakow703]

Oh ... la! Why does Russia need it? We have a lot of our scrap metal along the bays, you won't have drunk in twenty years. For example, a scout who is standing somewhere in the White Stone - on pins and needles, and this one can be bought (for an expensive price) and invested in a rusty case rubles. Not sure if it's smart. These boxes are from the last century. Already the architecture is not the same, and the equipment, and the requirements for the ships. We are better off with new ones, well, as there is according to Lenin - "Better less, but better." And this one (honestly, a ship of a very successful project, visited the "Slava") let the Ukrainians let it go - darn torn pants, or there, on the pans ... but you never know what is needed to win the Maidan.

[Comrade]

Last winter I was in Nikolaev. A relative working for the 61 communard said that everything that is bad is being stolen from the cruiser with might and main, copper wire is removed first of all. The factory is so poor that it’s hard to imagine. Previously, missile cruisers were built, hard workers lived, did not bother, but now Turkish and Greek seiners are sometimes repaired, the salaries are cheap.

[Wolka]

Well, yes, the dill ambitions as always roll over, and not according to Senka kaftan ...

[Engineer]

There just foliage near a tourniquet and that’s it.

[AlexTires]

Fried eggs with bacon and chicken.

[AlexTires]

Idiotism surpasses the situation! The only country capable of supplying armaments to this ship is Russia, in fact the ship is ready for service, but there is no armament and a modern CMS. That's just Russia will never give Ukraine a set of weapons on this ship. The best option is to sell the Russian Federation, but for political reasons, Ukraine is most likely to cut it into scrap metal better .... The damn thing, in short ...

[Bradypodidae]

If the ship is redeemed, it’s only for the sake of the engine. There it is new, without a run, so to speak ..

[uskrabut]

Kiev twice made the decision to complete the ship, its crew formed and disbanded three times
Twice the order bearer and three were not given, the frozen artist without an audience ............... nothing to add

[notingem]

Ghost ship. Scary especially closer to the night

[pts-m]

To this ruin dish you need to do clogs on the sides for it is turned off and the high-hawks master a long-forgotten technique ... rowing on cruisers ...

[Retvizan]

there is an option to offer for a debt on gas, or even for some sort of debt like missile carriers and missiles.
Nikolayevtsa with pleasure will give up only to go and please an eye. And the government for money mother dear ...

[kotvov]

everything, Ukrainians will sit in it and sail away to the EU.

[novobranets]

Three sages in one basin, sailed across the sea, in a thunderstorm. The old basin would be stronger, our story would be longer.

[Evgeny RS]

In short, Ukrainians, saw the failed cruiser.

[Maks-80]

If we already have money for this, for modernization, then it is better to put our Eagles into operation.

[cast iron]

It would be better to restore and modernize all the mothballed "eagles" and "Atlanteans". But I'm not sure that our oligarchic government and the great economists-thieves from the HSE will have the money for this. They have money only to increase their salaries and maintain a whole fleet of expensive German executive cars.

[Meliodous]

There are no canning atlants in the Russian Federation. Everything is in order. Only 2 (maybe 3) ships will be introduced from the Orlan, Kirov will be cut for sure, he has trouble with the reactors. And the best thing is to design and build new ships, and not rely on the Soviet legacy.

[cast iron]

Of course it is better to be rich, healthy, beautiful, young and successful. But we live in certain realities. As Comrade Stalin said, "I have no other writers for you." So it is now - the ships are needed yesterday, and while new ones will develop technical specifications, design and build - many years will pass. And these years the old, but formidable Soviet wars will serve the country successfully. You just need to modernize them.

[Nemec nemec]

He is already 20 years old, standing at the wall, and go rotted already?

[Aeneas]

The Chinese are the only beneficiaries. Why do they need it? And then that Chinese military shipbuilding is still very far from Soviet. They need technology, documentation and a prototype. Varyag-Liaoning is a very successful example, contacts have been established with Nikolaev shipbuilders, but Russia never needed ex-Lobov-Ukraine.

[kg2202]

It seems to me that the Ship itself decided to dump it before it was cut up. Started up and ..... They tied the bastards tightly.

[Burdock]

The best solution for Ukraine is to sell the trough; there is no point in it anyway. But why does the Russian Federation need this ferrous metal?

[Vladimir Sosnovsky]

Ukraine is modernizing the flagship of its fleet: http://www.ukroboronprom.com.ua/newsview/1/917
"A frigate was a small, relatively slow and lightly armed destroyer that served as an escort for ocean-going convoys." and this is the flagship of Ukraine????? No words......

Ukraine sold the heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser Kiev to China, which turned it into an amusement attraction with a hotel and restaurant.
The Varyag, 2/3 completed, was sold to the Chinese for the world's largest floating casino. The Chinese, naturally, did not turn the ship into a gambling house, but, having fucked up the dill, completed the construction of the ship and renamed it “Liaoning”

"Varyag" became the first aircraft carrier of the Chinese Navy - the pride of the Celestial Empire.
Guess how much Ukraine sold the aircraft carrier for, with a willingness above 90%? You won't guess. In 1998, a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser was sold for 23 million dollars (An-142 costs 30 million, a tank 2-3 million). I don’t even want to think how many tens of millions of bribes the corrupt Ukrainians put into their pockets (but it was the whole union that we built, all of us, just in the urine).
Well, now of course - “FLAGSHIP OF THE UKRAINIAN NAVY - FRIGATE “HETMAN SAGAYDACHNYY””. They laughed for about 15 minutes))))))))))))))))))).
Two “mosquito” artillery boats of the “Gyurza-M” project, launched in 2015 and built at the Leninskaya Kuznya plant owned by Poroshenko in Kiev, “Berdyansk” and “Ackerman”, have undergone sea trials.
Despite the fact that Leninskaya Kuznya, through the efforts of the billionaire president, receives very serious money from the budget for “defense against Russian aggression,” productivity at this enterprise has noticeably dropped. In 2004, Leninskaya Kuznya built two boats of the same Gyurza project for Uzbekistan - Jayhun and Sayhun - in just 10 months. It took me 4 years to build my two boats. Four more Gyurzas were laid down this year. If the pace of construction does not slow down, the order will be fully completed by 2024.
It is also doubtful that Ukraine in its current socio-political form will exist until 2024.