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On the cruiser "Ukraine" held a control engine start

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A photo of the engine launch control of the unfinished cruiser "Ukraine" in Nikolaev appeared in the Internet, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.


A comment by one of the users: "The view is great running, like in the country of the same name."

It is noted that in 2014, the head of the Mykolaiv region called for the ship to be sold immediately, since “the state doesn’t have enough money to complete the construction, and the maintenance of a cruiser, which has been standing by the shipyard wall for many years, costs six million hryvnias per month”.

Last September, the commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Haiduk, announced that the ship would be sold.

“The cruiser" Ukraine "is a piece broken off from the state, it will be realized, and the proceeds from the sale will go to the construction of new ships and boats," said the Vice-Admiral.

He explained that the ship was designed for navigation instruments that are not manufactured in Ukraine. In addition, "80% of its weapons are Russian-made," said Haiduk.

Help newspaper: “Ukraine” is a Soviet missile cruiser of the Atlant project. The ship was laid in Nikolaev in 1984 year and six years later launched. In the 1993 year, with the division of property of the USSR, a three-quarters cruiser was transferred to Ukraine. Kiev twice made the decision to complete the construction of the ship, its crew was formed and dissolved three times. ”
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  1. lis-ik
    lis-ik 22 November 2016 16: 34
    +12
    Maybe it makes sense to buy it, even through left-wing intermediaries? Very sorry ship!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 22 November 2016 16: 39
      +33
      too late. I think everything is very bad on the ship. We need a new build, a new generation.
      I liked the words of the ukrokomandor - "the proceeds from the sale will go to the construction of new ships and boats." Is it to steal money and share it now? drinks
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 22 November 2016 16: 44
        +4
        It is necessary, but nowhere, and not at all, soon the place will be vacated, just under it. Everything is easier than from scratch.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 22 November 2016 16: 52
          +7
          Sometimes in support of the old one you can throw in so much money that it is easier to make a new one. The question is that this is a rather narrow ship (although I am not a specialist, and generally a land-based person). To provide air defense, or he will be able to drown the aircraft carrier, but it is unlikely that he is "sharpened" for that, but for the barmaley, to suppress a point object on land. That is, you need to look at the concept of fleet development.
          And the ship is really a pity .. We wouldn’t hurt this fourth, of course ..
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 22 November 2016 18: 32
            +3
            Why not. "Granites" are quite real to burn on barmaley. And for the price of a shot it will not be much more expensive than the "caliber".
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 22 November 2016 18: 43
              +2
              did not know honestly. I thought it was a special-purpose RCC.
              1. cast iron
                cast iron 22 November 2016 19: 45
                +3
                The guidance system is more complicated than on "calibers". And so there are no restrictions on shooting at ground targets.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 November 2016 18: 37
        +6
        They will build 10-12 "battleships" of the Gyurz a type (Genechinsk, Ackerman) and say: we have the latest and super-duper ships and now let's go chase Muscovites.
      3. nerd.su
        nerd.su 23 November 2016 01: 17
        +4
        Well why already steal. Presidential yacht and a couple of admiral boats will be built laughing
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 22 November 2016 17: 02
      +7
      Now it is only suitable as a target in exercises.
      1. Every
        Every 22 November 2016 17: 25
        +7
        Ukrainians may even think of using it as a target, but it will be the most unsinkable target in the world. What will they shoot from?
    3. Sterlya
      Sterlya 24 November 2016 10: 09
      0
      Quote: lis-ik
      Maybe it makes sense to buy it, even through left-wing intermediaries? Very sorry ship!

      There is no point anymore. Maybe someone will buy a crowbar.
  2. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 22 November 2016 16: 35
    +15
    "There are no more bets, gentlemen, Ukraine is sold!"
    I would like to see the tribe who bought this Khokhlohlam, although the coral reef from it will turn out to be good! negative
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 22 November 2016 17: 06
      +5
      Apparently, this cruiser is waiting for the fate of being sawn into needles.
  3. Seva
    Seva 22 November 2016 16: 35
    +12
    some kind of rusty crap, like everything else they have, including brains.
  4. newcomer
    newcomer 22 November 2016 16: 37
    +11
    the cruiser will be sold as scrap, and the money will go to the lace panties of the wives of the admirals of the navy. and the admirals are there, more sailors.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 November 2016 18: 42
      +4
      I think they will be able to rivet several pieces of battleships of the Genichinsk type. Producer "Leninskaya Kuznya" (where is the lustration?) - the property of Pan Pedro
  5. mmk
    mmk 22 November 2016 16: 39
    +5
    It is now only a new weapon to test.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 November 2016 18: 33
      +3
      He is at least 85% ready. Quote from wiki. Why break it? It would be better if the government of the Russian Federation came up with how to buy and finish it on the cheap.
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 22 November 2016 16: 41
    +10
    Why does he need an engine, is it there at all? Maybe the fat in the pan burned?
    But in general, our industry will give dviglo for large ships --- then you can smile.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 22 November 2016 17: 21
      +6
      The idea that there the homeless people just lit a fire, just hovers in the air. I doubt that there remained engines suitable for starting without a subsequent disaster.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 22 November 2016 17: 31
        +4
        Or the tobacco in the fleet ended and they were given electronic cigarettes. Smoke was no less from them. In the summer I saw such eccentrics in auto flow --- a window on the open door and from there dense smoke fell. For the first time I almost pulled out of the car at the traffic lights to help fire put out, and then only neighing hard when these miracles were seen lol
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 November 2016 18: 49
      +4
      "Our industry will give dviglo for large ships ..." The point is that there is a M98 (analogue of the Ukrainian GT D), and the "admirals" are without dviguns. In fact, they are a GTE that "hobbled" us a lot
    3. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 23 November 2016 00: 10
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt

      4
      Stormbreaker Today, 16: 41 New
      Why does he need an engine, is he there at all

      There are two lads aft, two oars, 35 knots provided.
  7. my five cents
    my five cents 22 November 2016 16: 42
    +6
    Ukraine is sold in parts. This is good news! No money, but what did they wait for?
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 November 2016 16: 42
    +7
    This is tens of thousands of tons of metal. Sell ​​for scrap. No one will finish building it in this state.
  9. Stone
    Stone 22 November 2016 16: 42
    +9
    If the Chinese buy it, then in 2 years they will make a "candy" from it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 November 2016 16: 46
      +7
      Well, the Chinese will probably buy it - it will be the first missile cruiser in the Chinese Navy.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 22 November 2016 17: 19
        +9
        Quote: Vadim237
        Well, the Chinese will probably buy it - it will be the first missile cruiser in the Chinese Navy.

        No one will buy it No. . This topic has already been discussed here. Without proper care, the housing in some places rusted to a critical state. Now it is suitable only for scrap. So much labor down the drain.
        1. Cat
          Cat 22 November 2016 20: 26
          +2
          Well, well, be careful with the cats, why the heck ... I need a missile cruiser in the Ural Mountains, and even under the tail? repeat
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 23 November 2016 11: 51
            +2
            Sorry. hi That I had in mind such ma-a-scarlet, fur seals, woolen recourse . And the mother crucifix is ​​clear stump cruiser to anything. Carrying with him in the mountains is troublesome. laughing
    2. venik
      venik 22 November 2016 17: 12
      +5
      Quote: Sten
      If the Chinese buy

      ===
      Do not buy !!! About 20 years ago, maybe they would have been seduced .... And now - they’re already building better (well, at least - in a more modern way)!
  10. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 22 November 2016 16: 44
    +4
    if only it makes no sense to sell, finish building and repair for metal. Any "Buyan" will tear it like a hot water bottle.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 22 November 2016 18: 36
      +3
      This is how the medium-old anti-ship missiles "caliber" or "onyx" will sever a ship with long-range anti-ship missiles "Granit"? And also the "Atlanta" radio electronics are more helpful and on the eyes. And he also has a better air defense system.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 22 November 2016 20: 24
        +5
        On the cruiser Ukraine there is no granite, no volcano, no basalt. Granite on the Atlanteans never stood. This cruiser is rotten and old as a threshing floor mammoth. So I’ll break it apart as a target will not be a problem.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 22 November 2016 20: 57
          +2
          My mistake. Volcano of course, not granite. What makes you think that he rotted? Outside, of course it is rusty - after all, no one regularly paints it, because there are no sailors on it. But the case as a whole should be made of steel, which resists salt water well.
  11. nnm
    nnm 22 November 2016 16: 45
    +8
    Given the name of the ship, the photo looks very symbolic ....
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 22 November 2016 17: 05
      +12
      Yeah ... no luck to the cruiser with the name ... What do you call the ship ...
    2. Iline
      Iline 22 November 2016 17: 28
      +7
      Finally guessed that in addition to oars, you can use the engine. It remains only to find the ocean (the ship is intended for the ocean zone).
  12. marlin1203
    marlin1203 22 November 2016 16: 47
    +4
    Do not understand. Did they launch the GEM? Kaaak?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 November 2016 16: 54
      +4
      See GEM in working condition contained.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 22 November 2016 17: 26
      +8
      Quote: marlin1203
      Kaaak?

      The smoke bomb was set on fire, and they said: - Mustache pratsyuє. lol
    3. cast iron
      cast iron 22 November 2016 19: 40
      +1
      Judging by the article on the Wiki, this cruiser is built at least 85%. Not surprisingly, the GEM works.
  13. Kibl
    Kibl 22 November 2016 16: 47
    +10
    The eternal Khokhlyatsky principle, not to people themselves! The thief’s redneck!
  14. vanavatny
    vanavatny 22 November 2016 16: 58
    +7
    did not know what it rolls with unfinished Soviet cruisers
    1. Dimka75
      Dimka75 22 November 2016 22: 26
      +2
      in the photo the "Moskvich" car is "rolled" with a handle - very symbolic))
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 22 November 2016 17: 10
    +6
    There is no ship, but the engines are running! Paradox...
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 22 November 2016 17: 18
      +12
      This is something from STALKER ... Well, in general, Ukraine is now the Zone, a lot of things are happening there and for some reason the engines suddenly started working on the unfinished ship sad recourse request
  16. masiya
    masiya 22 November 2016 17: 19
    +7
    It’s not clear, in figs, to drive the engines away, before selling them for scrap ... or for metal working engines a couple of euros will give more ???
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 23 November 2016 00: 15
      +1
      Quote: masiya

      4
      masiya Today, 17:19 New
      It’s not clear that they’ll drive engines away

      Moskalsky solarium remained, to destroy!
  17. sandroart
    sandroart 22 November 2016 17: 29
    +1
    6 million hryvnias monthly! Wow, how much then our state spends on the maintenance of its ships and submarines.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 23 November 2016 00: 20
      +3
      Probably a lot of hryvnias. The power fleet !, submarines scour the world’s curse, scare everyone you can! Skitter bastards!
  18. antivirus
    antivirus 22 November 2016 17: 35
    0
    when the Indians are sold, it is necessary to clean the letters "outskirts" so that I ... they shine like a cat
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 23 November 2016 00: 22
      +1
      Quote: antivirus
      it is necessary to clean the letters "suburb",

      These letters have already been handed over as a color.
  19. Zibelew
    Zibelew 22 November 2016 17: 55
    +6
    Quote: inkass_98
    The idea that there the homeless people just lit a fire, just hovers in the air.

    I doubt about the homeless, but there are definitely no sailors on this ship ...
  20. bald
    bald 22 November 2016 18: 21
    +6
    The Japanese will take it cheaply.
  21. Vitale
    Vitale 22 November 2016 18: 54
    +5
    Admiral really trends, what boats and new ships - they will cut lava and the whole fairy tale
  22. novel66
    novel66 22 November 2016 19: 24
    +4
    expensive cheap - sorry a handsome ship disappears. take away and restore if (when) Ukraine will be with us \. even the name can be left
    1. bald
      bald 23 November 2016 18: 32
      +2
      I agree, this is a story, even a walking one in a museum. But the locust eats everything in its path.
  23. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 22 November 2016 19: 50
    +3
    Let the owners of the ukram wash away the new scrap metal (or rather firewood) steam it all the same, it constantly breaks, welded to the pier, like "Zaporozhye" and beauty.

    The newest USS Zumwalt destroyer crashed while passing the Panama Canal. About this writes the publication Defense News with reference to a statement by the US Navy.
    A preliminary cause of the breakdown is associated with heat exchangers in the ship’s propulsion system, which provides power to various ship systems.

    According to the publication, Zumwalt, heading to the home port in San Diego, had to be towed to Rodman's base in Panamanian Balboa.
  24. Bradypodidae
    Bradypodidae 22 November 2016 20: 07
    +4
    the maintenance of the cruiser, which has stood at the shipyard wall for many years, costs six million hryvnias a month. ”
    A maximum of 20000 hryvnias for VOKHOR + consumption of the same VOKHOR of water and electricity. Let it be 30, oh well, + 80000. That’s 100000 hryvnias per month. Judging by the appearance of the ship, they no longer spend anything on it. The rest of the money settles in their pockets.
    And I'm curious. If 80 percent. the cruiser’s weapons are doing in Russia, what are they doing in Ukraine? 20 percent remaining, what is it?
  25. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 22 November 2016 21: 13
    +2
    Kiev twice made the decision to complete the ship, its crew formed and disbanded three times. ”

    History is akin to the history of ukromaydan! Therefore, there will be no state of Ukraine, as well as the cruiser of the same name! lol
  26. massad1
    massad1 22 November 2016 22: 01
    +11
    I honestly admit: I read the thread to the middle somewhere, brothers don't blame me if I repeat myself somewhere, but it seems to me that in the 12-13th year it was a question of buying out the last Atlant, but it seems like our specialists went to Nikolaev and concluded that the ship would not only have to be refurbished in full, but that the hull had rotted to hell while standing at the wall of the plant. And it seems, if my memory serves me, for this very reason, plus the fact that the guys with 404 (then it was not quite 404 yet) broke a completely fabulous price at that time - the subject was not purchased.
    On the other hand, I want to say - "GLORY TO GOD !!!" that Ukraine did not finish building this cruiser. Now it would be the most concrete hemorrhoid in the Black Sea basin, in view of the fact that Project 1164 to this day is one of the most powerful in weapons and the fastest (within the class) warships.
    But at the same time it is a pity to contemplate "Atlant", the pinnacle of thought of Soviet engineers, in such a deplorable state
    1. Evgeny RS
      Evgeny RS 23 November 2016 13: 32
      +2
      I do not believe in rot. Is Nikolaev real sea water?
  27. Zema2307
    Zema2307 22 November 2016 22: 23
    +1
    Sorry beautiful
  28. maxim947
    maxim947 22 November 2016 22: 23
    +5
    Quote: sandroart
    Well, why no one. The Chinese can talk. What is there no technology is there any?

    The Chinese themselves are now building, buying off and learning how they wouldn’t have to buy from them later ... In general, if for a normal price, it would not hurt Russia (plus symbolically). But knowing the shit of sellers - it’s better not to mess with
  29. Zema2307
    Zema2307 22 November 2016 22: 25
    +1
    It is a pity, a beautiful and good boat, would return it to modernization. What is the difference or 5 years to build a new or 5 years to upgrade the old.
  30. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 22 November 2016 22: 29
    +5
    As if, we ourselves have nothing to modernize. It is better to raise ADMIRAL LAZAREV after Nakhimov.
  31. Ronino
    Ronino 22 November 2016 22: 39
    +2
    but it was painted quite well under ancient rust ...
  32. SevaNikolaev
    SevaNikolaev 22 November 2016 23: 21
    +3
    And I ran to work under him to the other side, when he - "Admiral of the Fleet Lobov", stood on the slipway. Lobov's son was present at the descent. The descent was beautiful.
  33. Altona
    Altona 22 November 2016 23: 50
    +2
    Quote: Alex777
    The engine is started - think - why? Since most do not know, I will answer, the conservation regime assumes this. At the beginning of the year, to go to sea on his engines, he needed 2 months to prepare. It's a pity we don't have such a "Chinese" who Liaoning bought from them for a pittance. The Chinese do not need this cruiser. They have already learned to build many of the best ships. Hindus too

    --------------------------------
    You look, sho in his case the good pictures are available on the Internet. There are all analog sample of 1978. CRT monitors, ancient radio stations, computers, locator equipment. There, everything must be pulled out and radically changed.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 19: 34
      +1
      Alteration of internal equipment will be much cheaper than designing, approving and building a new type of missile cruiser analogue of Project 1164. If I remember correctly, the Russian Navy needs AUG destroyers not just here and now, but yesterday. This means that each such opportunity to introduce another URO cruiser relatively quickly into the fleet is a very very important potential cruiser that cannot be neglected.
  34. olegyurjewitch
    olegyurjewitch 22 November 2016 23: 56
    +1
    Quote: cast iron
    The main task of Atlant is to fight the AUG. But the corvettes of the Caspian flotilla may well fight with the barmaley podudikim. So I strongly doubt that you will roll out a frigate or corvette against the AUG and that you can do something to her. "Calibers" against "Volcanoes" are much inferior as anti-ship missiles.
  35. Manul
    Manul 23 November 2016 00: 23
    +1
    It’s not worth taking .. But we can concede to Kharkov, Odessa, Mariupol and several other large cities. We pick up the ship and all the named cities so that you have fewer problems.
    1. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 23 November 2016 00: 54
      +9
      Agreed.Only the first, make Lviv and Chernivtsi become the same as Donetsk airport became
  36. Pushkar
    Pushkar 23 November 2016 01: 11
    +1
    Interesting. what will the Chinese call him when they buy at the price of scrap metal?
    1. Black Separ
      Black Separ 23 November 2016 01: 49
      +5
      Quote: Pushkar
      Interesting. what will the Chinese call him when they buy at the price of scrap metal?

      Duc, like .. "Mudan-Maidan" laughing
  37. Black Separ
    Black Separ 23 November 2016 01: 47
    +4
    The average corrosion rate of the steel surface in sea water is 0,1 mm / year .. Pit corrosion - 1 mm / year .. Multiplied by 20 years and we get: the underwater part of the body has become thinner by an average of 2 mm over the entire surface, plus the body has numerous pockets of ulcerative corrosion with a depth of 1 to 20 mm; this is not counting electrochemical, erosion and cavitation corrosion .. Well, and who needs a body made not clear by anyone, and it’s not clear how, and even with epic force corroding?
    ... and the ship is the archer wassat "The ship by its very appearance should inspire the enemy!"
    1. beeper
      beeper 23 November 2016 17: 25
      +2
      Water in Nikolaev is river, not sea wink
  38. ochakow703
    ochakow703 23 November 2016 03: 22
    +4
    Oh ... la! Why does Russia need it? We have a lot of our scrap metal along the bays, you won't have drunk in twenty years. For example, a scout who is standing somewhere in the White Stone - on pins and needles, and this one can be bought (for an expensive price) and invested in a rusty case rubles. Not sure if it's smart. These boxes are from the last century. Already the architecture is not the same, and the equipment, and the requirements for the ships. We are better off with new ones, well, as there is according to Lenin - "Better less, but better." And this one (honestly, a ship of a very successful project, visited the "Slava") let the Ukrainians let it go - darn torn pants, or there, on the pans ... but you never know what is needed to win the Maidan.
  39. Comrade
    Comrade 23 November 2016 03: 46
    +3
    Last winter I was in Nikolaev. A relative working for the 61 communard said that everything that is bad is being stolen from the cruiser with might and main, copper wire is removed first of all. The factory is so poor that it’s hard to imagine. Previously, missile cruisers were built, hard workers lived, did not bother, but now Turkish and Greek seiners are sometimes repaired, the salaries are cheap.
  40. Wolka
    Wolka 23 November 2016 06: 25
    +1
    Well, yes, the dill ambitions as always roll over, and not according to Senka kaftan ...
  41. Engineer
    Engineer 23 November 2016 08: 05
    +2
    There just foliage near a tourniquet and that’s it.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 23 November 2016 08: 56
      +1
      Fried eggs with bacon and chicken.
  42. AlexTires
    AlexTires 23 November 2016 08: 55
    +3
    Idiotism surpasses the situation! The only country capable of supplying armaments to this ship is Russia, in fact the ship is ready for service, but there is no armament and a modern CMS. That's just Russia will never give Ukraine a set of weapons on this ship. The best option is to sell the Russian Federation, but for political reasons, Ukraine is most likely to cut it into scrap metal better .... The damn thing, in short ...
    1. Bradypodidae
      Bradypodidae 23 November 2016 11: 22
      +1
      If the ship is redeemed, it’s only for the sake of the engine. There it is new, without a run, so to speak ..
  43. uskrabut
    uskrabut 23 November 2016 09: 05
    +2
    Kiev twice made the decision to complete the ship, its crew formed and disbanded three times
    Twice the order bearer and three were not given, the frozen artist without an audience ............... nothing to add
  44. notingem
    notingem 23 November 2016 11: 33
    +3
    Ghost ship. Scary especially closer to the night
  45. pts-m
    pts-m 23 November 2016 11: 59
    +2
    To this ruin dish you need to do clogs on the sides for it is turned off and the high-hawks master a long-forgotten technique ... rowing on cruisers ...
  46. Retvizan
    Retvizan 23 November 2016 12: 12
    +3
    there is an option to offer for a debt on gas, or even for some sort of debt like missile carriers and missiles.
    Nikolayevtsa with pleasure will give up only to go and please an eye. And the government for money mother dear ...
  47. kotvov
    kotvov 23 November 2016 13: 00
    +1
    everything, Ukrainians will sit in it and sail away to the EU.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 23 November 2016 13: 36
      +3
      Three sages in one basin, sailed across the sea, in a thunderstorm. The old basin would be stronger, our story would be longer.
  48. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 23 November 2016 13: 34
    +1
    In short, Ukrainians, saw the failed cruiser.
  49. Maks-80
    Maks-80 23 November 2016 14: 26
    +1
    If we already have money for this, for modernization, then it is better to put our Eagles into operation.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 23 November 2016 20: 37
      +5
      It would be better to restore and modernize all the mothballed "eagles" and "Atlanteans". But I'm not sure that our oligarchic government and the great economists-thieves from the HSE will have the money for this. They have money only to increase their salaries and maintain a whole fleet of expensive German executive cars.
      1. Meliodous
        Meliodous 24 November 2016 19: 40
        +2
        There are no canning atlants in the Russian Federation. Everything is in order. Only 2 (maybe 3) ships will be introduced from the Orlan, Kirov will be cut for sure, he has trouble with the reactors. And the best thing is to design and build new ships, and not rely on the Soviet legacy.
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 25 November 2016 04: 27
          +3
          Of course it is better to be rich, healthy, beautiful, young and successful. But we live in certain realities. As Comrade Stalin said, "I have no other writers for you." So it is now - the ships are needed yesterday, and while new ones will develop technical specifications, design and build - many years will pass. And these years the old, but formidable Soviet wars will serve the country successfully. You just need to modernize them.
  50. Nemec nemec
    Nemec nemec 27 November 2016 13: 31
    +1
    He is already 20 years old, standing at the wall, and go rotted already?