The Ministry of Defense ordered maintenance of T-34 tanks

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the website of public procurement placed an order for the restoration of 3 tanks T-34-85, located in Alabino (in the park of the 2nd Taman Motorized Rifle Division), which on May 9 of next year will take part in the Victory Parade, according News.

The only performer - 61-th armored repair plant (Petersburg) - will have to conduct TO-1 and TO-2. Order value - 2,59 mln. Rub.

“During the work on the machines, various fastenings, technical connections, nozzles and mechanisms will be checked in the engine compartment, in the fighting compartment, at the place of the driver. Oil, coolant, oil, air, and fuel filters will also be replaced. Representatives of the Defense Ministry’s Main Armored Directorate will accept the work, ”the newspaper wrote, citing explanatory documentation.

Military historian Alexei Isaev: “T-34-85 is a very capricious machine by modern standards. Riding such a tank is not sugar. Even in 1945, the Red Army’s combat documents found much criticism of the design of this vehicle. In particular, the main friction clutch, which inexperienced driver mechanics very often incapacitated. Therefore, the "thirty-fourth" requires meticulous maintenance, even if they are just standing in warehouses and are not in use. It is necessary to regulate traction, carefully monitor the level of technical fluids and carry out other work. ”

Comments

[nnm]

Why not .... investing in your story is far from the worst option.

[Giant thought]

This tank has earned such respect for itself, making a huge contribution to the defeat of the Nazi Wehrmacht, and it is not for nothing that in many cities these tanks stand on pedestals.

[Temples]

T-34-85 by modern standards is a very moody car.

And they’ll write something to justify the cost of maintenance.
Are you really crazy? Change the oil for two and a half lyama. Under the heading of patriotism and history, they are openly impudent.

Sole performer

In the rest of Russia, they somehow manage without a "single performer". Not for that kind of money, of course, but they keep thirty-fours on the move.
The bureaucrats are completely fucked up.

[OLD FART]

Quote: Temples

Are you really crazy? Change the oil for two and a half lyama. Under the heading of patriotism and history, they are openly impudent.

Calm down ... THAT for them should be to the maximum ... Nevertheless, the Victory Parade! God forbid stall! Such a liberal screech will rise ....

[Gray brother]

Quote: STARPER

Calm down you ... THAT for them should be to the maximum ...

No, no, we need to give out to children and pensioners.

[Fitter65]

In fact, it is correctly noticed that liberoids will say so. For these children and pensioners they won’t even lift a finger. The history must be kept in order. The older the equipment, the more expensive the service. try to find spare parts pumps ...

[novel66]

if to the maximum, then you need to shoot the gun and check the machine guns - you never know

[ProkletyiPirat]

immediately from the parade in the attack on tolerasts, liberalists, pedae ​​**** s and other universal people

[Fidel]

Do not stall. What did they smoke before in the forest among mushrooms? No, in Alabino! Over here in the war, ISa was removed from the monument, refueled, and brought into battle! And no one to the peasants about two with a half-haired llama did not even hint! And so he could fly))

[Moore]

Absolutely agree. History is history, but 800 sput for TO-2 (TO-1, in fact, is included in the volume of TO-2) on one machine ...
Maybe, of course, something cannot be done under the item "Repair" (the budget is such, you know, the budget ...), then it's clear. But if it's really just adjustments, replacement of working fluids and injecting, tady oh ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Temples

And they’ll write something to justify the cost of maintenance.

Let me guess - you are the owner of an auto economy class and you, perhaps, do something yourself.
In fact, there are works up to figs and parts that need to be replaced are often made manually.
This is not your puzoterka.
http://www.wio.ru/tank/manual/t34manual9-2.htm

[samoletil18]

What is viral made there?

[Gray brother]

Quote: samoletil18

What is viral made there?

Viral advertising is made.

[samoletil18]

This t9 squint. I meant MANUAL. Although, the performer could include in the estimate the production of viral advertising.

[Temples]

Let me guess - you are the owner of an auto economy class and you, perhaps, do something yourself.

You didn't guess a damn thing.
My "puzoterka" is worth more than 5 million. And I know how much MOT costs and how much salaries for such "puzoterki" cost. And I will tell you the "secret" - t34 is an ordinary tractor in fact. It has no pieces of wood, no leather, no newfangled sensors and other crap that makes a car cost like an airplane. So get down to the ground. This is a banal cut.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Temples

It has neither wood, nor leather, nor new-fangled sensors and other crap that makes a car cost like an airplane

This is a museum exhibit in fact, there is no point in comparing it with a consumer-friendly modern automotive industry product.

[bk316]

It seems that you do not have Temples at all.
Sensors are the cheapest part of the car.
The skin and wood during maintenance do not change.
And most importantly, the general principle is that the older the car, the more expensive TO. For collection models, changing a set of pipes + glands of 100 pieces is easy.
Yes, in fact, I just had a fifty dollars on a regular car.

[Zheka40]

So much to check or replace! such an amount is justified. kmk

[Gray brother]

Quote: Temples

but keep thirty-four on the move.

"On the go" and "in perfect condition" are two different things.

[Temples]

The tank cannot be in "perfect" condition due to the fact that it is a tank and not a retro car. The tank must be on the move. Taking into account the fact that the resource of the T34 engine is calculated in hours, then being on the go is the "ideal" as you write the state.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Temples

The tank cannot be in "perfect" condition due to the fact that it is a tank and not a retro car.

You underestimate army perfectionism, especially since cars must go through Red Square.

[interceptor58]

Recovery is at least a level of overhaul. Based on the defect, a cost estimate is drawn up by the executing organization. Some components, assemblies, parts may require replacement. In the absence of a repair kit, it is necessary to make new ones in piece execution. So this is not only a replacement for oil, liquids and filters. Plus tests after recovery. All these procedures are determined by GOSTs, and not from the bulldozer. So the amount is not so critical.

[Mordvin 3]

It is clearly written - TO-1 and TO-2. And if during maintenance we find a part that needs repair or replacement, then at the expense of the customer.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Temples

T-34-85 by modern standards is a very moody car.

And they’ll write something to justify the cost of maintenance.
Are you really crazy? Change the oil for two and a half lyama. Under the heading of patriotism and history, they are openly impudent.

Sole performer

In the rest of Russia, they somehow manage without a "single performer". Not for that kind of money, of course, but they keep thirty-fours on the move.
The bureaucrats are completely fucked up.

the price is such, because only "castrol magnatek" is poured in, this time, and secondly, only from an authorized dealer ... well, along the way, imposed options and insurance ... will arrange?

[Temples]

Yes, and insurance is probably with a load - mandatory life insurance for the tankman and his general, plus CASCO calculated by the weight of the car

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Temples

Yes, and insurance is probably with a load - mandatory life insurance for the tankman and his general, plus CASCO calculated by the weight of the car

and painting of all the elements included? paint Paint Brulex MIX 001 2K 3,5 l !!!

[svp67]

Quote: Temples

Are you really crazy? Change the oil for two and a half lyama. Under the heading of patriotism and history, they are openly impudent.

Most interested in the price. Unfortunately, I did not find what work is being done on the T-34/85 tanks with To-1 and TO-2, but usually one TO-2 is equal to two TO-1, from this calculation we’ll go.
So, 3 T-34/85 tanks must pass, as I understand it, one TO-1 and one TO-2, total work in the amount of six TO-1. Roughly 2 is divided by 590, totaling 000 rubles ... This is based on the job of servicing the entire crew, and before that, he only did it. This tank has 6 people. Something already seems to me that if the price is too high, then not by much.

[lis-ik]

Honestly, the first thought was the same, I'm shocked by such TO. Add a little more and there will be a new tank.

[Monarchist]

Here you are right-shaped theft. And the author's statement: "therefore," thirty-fourths "require scrupulous maintenance, even if they just stand in the warehouses" bullshit. In Chelyabinsk, at the gates of the plant there is a T34-85, and the workers turn it on every year and he drives (the late brother worked there and saw)!

[Fidel]

In-in. Capricious,. Berlin was not taken capriciously. And then you see "star fever" began))

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Temples

And they’ll write something to justify the cost of maintenance.
Are you really crazy? Change the oil for two and a half lyama. Under the heading of patriotism and history, they are openly impudent.

There is not only an oil change.
If you go to the Izvestia website, find the contract number and look at the documentation on State Purchases, then suddenly it turns out that 61 armored personnel carriers are entrusted with:

Technical supervision of the T-34 tanks (hereinafter referred to as the Product) in the amount of 3 (three) units in terms of the maintenance work during the preparation and conduct of the Victory Parade in 2017.
Maintenance of the T-34 tanks during the preparation and conduct of the Victory Parade 2017.

This last one is just the most important thing. In fact, at 61 BTRZ is responsible for ensuring that these 3 tanks are guaranteed to pass all the preparations for the Parade and the Parade itself.
According to:

TO-1 - 1,55 hours
TO-2 - 23,6 hours
Cleaning and washing of the Products, maintenance of armament and warhead drive drives, and also maintenance of guns and machine guns are excluded from the total complexity of the work performed.

In this case, only those spare parts (dyurite sleeves) that are indicated in the technical documentation for tanks should be used:

“Manual on the material part and operation of the T-34-85 tank” (Military Publishing House, 1963);
“Manual for military repair of the T-34 tank and self-propelled artillery installation SU-100” (Military Publishing House, 1955) with an Addendum to the manual for military repair of the T-34-85 tank and self-propelled artillery installation SU-100 ”(1959)
"Supplement to the manual for military repair of the T-34-85 tank and self-propelled artillery SU-100" (2011)

The ability to supply equivalent Goods in the course of the Work has not been established in accordance with paragraph 1 of Part 1 of Article 33 FZ No. 44-FZ, since the Customer purchases spare parts for the machines and equipment used by the Customer, in accordance with the technical documentation for these machines and equipment.

Moreover, all this should be done by the plant not in its workshops, but on the parade preparation sites:

Work Place:
- Moscow region, Alabino settlement, military unit 23626 (TIN 5030068189, KPP 503000001, OGRN 1095030003750);
- Moscow st. Lower Mnevniki (parade rehearsal venue).

[The black]

“In the course of work on the machines, various fasteners, technical connections, pipes and mechanisms in the engine compartment, in the fighting compartment, at the place of the driver will be checked. The oil, coolant, oil, air and fuel filters will also be replaced. "

And is it a pleasure for 2,59 million rubles? those. for about 860 thousand per unit? But is it not a little expensive to replace the filter oils and CHECK the fasteners?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Black

But is it not a little expensive to replace the filter oils and CHECK the fasteners?

- comrade does not understand (s)
- the cars were damn, they know how much
- "check" in this case means troubleshooting, with "incomplete disassembly" of the machine
- with the subsequent replacement of everything that is possible - wiring (for sure), rubber (for sure), and any rusted piece of iron there (as needed)
- At the same time, it will be necessary to produce pieces of iron, it is doubtful that there are new spare parts for the T-34 in the warehouse.

That's about as

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cat Man Null

"check" in this case means troubleshooting, with "incomplete disassembly" of the machine

Cat, this is not MOT, but overhaul.

[kirgiz58]

- "THAT! Karl !! Do you understand? THAT!" (from)
- All! I emphasize EVERYTHING is available at the warehouses of the BTI (armored property). Starting from rubber pipes, dyuritny tapes, frames and rollers to them (in it there are no special. Quick-detachable connections). Kilometers of armored cables of various diameters, copper and steel tubes, millions of union nuts for the restoration of pipelines, thousands of forks and fingers for the restoration of rods, and not even a split pin. Even there are new crowns of driving wheels. The only thing I don’t know is there any nosy beef goose. The rest, believe the old techie, IS!
That's exactly the way it is. I am very much for restoring the story, but do not wash the money on the saint. With this money you can raise from the swamps and restore really rare books with HEROES NAMES !!

[Cat man null]

Quote: kirgiz58

That's exactly the way it is ...

- it’s good if they exactly "are" ... who is against it?
- I, you see, become a pessimist when it comes to such issues
- about these tanks, I only know that they were "stored in Taman". Whether they have been turned on at least once since that war, I no longer know. Therefore, I guess ... the worst of the options
- and that's all. If everything is there as good as you write, well, thank God

Quote: kirgiz58

THAT! Charles!! You understand? THAT! "(C)

[lis-ik]

Quote: Cat Man Null

cars stood hell, they know how much

These cars have not once lit up in parades, so they weren’t really standing, and the price is simply space.

[svp67]

Quote: Black

But is it not a little expensive to replace the filter oils and CHECK the fasteners?

Well, actually there is still a lot of other work, pump the hubs of the rollers with oil, service the battery, grease there, check here ... DAY work for 5 crew members ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Black

And is it a pleasure for 2,59 million rubles? those. for about 860 thousand per unit? But is it not a little expensive to replace the filter oils and CHECK the fasteners?

So this is not a one-time job - 61 BTRZ will have to do this in Moscow from March 01 to May 12, 2017.

Maintenance of the T-34 tanks during the preparation and conduct of the Victory Parade 2017.

[siberalt]

And how much does the "Armata" maintenance cost? Or is the T-34 more capricious than him?

[Titsen]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the website of public procurement placed an order for the restoration of 3 tanks T-34-85

Why only three?

Are there really only three legendary tanks left?

[Thompson]

He who forgets the past has no future! These are not even tanks; these are symbols, a relic!

[samoletil18]

Quote: Thompson

He who forgets the past has no future! These are not even tanks; these are symbols, a relic!

And, if the maintenance numbers of these tanks also include corruption interest from the contractor and the customer, then Ulyukaev is clean as a baby’s tear.

[V.ic]

What will the boy draw, referring to the tank? T-34-85, most likely! What will the boy draw, referring to the plane? La-5 or Yak-3, most likely! Beautiful technology cannot be bad if a lot of work, engineering talent and people's hopes have been invested in it! Even the "Panther" was licked by the "gloomy German genius" by the contours of the T-34 hull. It seems that, according to the responses of the participants in the hostilities in Yugoslavia, the T-34s were not very bad, taking on the strikes of enemy shells. By the way, there was information about the removal from the pedestals and the use of "monuments" tanks in the database against ukronatsiks. Who would "highlight" this topic?

[Smoked]

Yak-9 actually.

[Damir]

only video from youtube:

[sergo1914]

The "capricious" car drove from Stalingrad to Prague. With fights. Against those Germans. Maybe it's not the car, but ... something else?

[Vasily Krylov]

To Prague, for sure, but not from Stalingrad, but from Ukraine, this is the end of 1943. Regards.

[Ruby]

And why the price is all clung to. This is a rare technique. You cannot buy spare parts for it at the nearest car market. If you suddenly need to replace something like a clutch braking mechanism, then you will have to do it manually. The same goes for everything else (filters, gaskets and other little things). Go carry out a maintenance complex for some car of the 30s. "Pleasantly" be surprised at the cost of work, which will be quite at the level of some new Lagan.

[tolancop]

"... If you suddenly need to replace something like a clutch braking mechanism, you will have to do it manually. The same applies to everything else (filters. Gaskets and other little things). Go spend a maintenance complex for some kind of car of the 30s...."
I would not call the price sky-high. The full scope of the ordered work is not known to us. As for spare parts I do not agree with you - compare the circulation of equipment. In addition, the T-34, despite the years, is not a rarity. And in the warehouses of Moscow oblast, the parts probably lie from it, albeit in the far corner, but they lie. And the T-34s themselves still remained in storage in the outback. In any case, a year ago a new monument was opened with the T-34 at the intersection of A-108 with Volokolamsk highway. According to local press, the tank was stolen from the base from near Krasnoyarsk and something was not written that it was hardly found. Not far, of course, but as it is.

[kolchak]

We built a memorial to the Great Patriotic War, in Khakassia, but the t-34 was not found. The t-72 was found, bringing it into non-combat readiness, in the amount of 400 tr. Moreover, such a tank was found only in the Caucasus, and inoperative state was made in the tank unit, in Kozulka. This is also the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Although the tank itself, of course, got free of charge.

[Blue fox]

Quote: Temples

The bureaucrats are completely fucked up.

A colleague, a little less than righteous anger. The cost takes into account the cost of transportation there and back, and this, you see, is also a decent part of the cost, even when considering transportation through the VOSO line.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Blue Fox

A colleague, a little less than righteous anger. The cost takes into account the cost of transportation there and back, and this, you see, is also a decent part of the cost, even when considering transportation through the VOSO line.

Nifiga yourself you "fish" started up! The tank is transported to the place of repair in peacetime only with a CAPITAL REPAIR, medium and current repairs, and even more so, are carried out at the place of deployment. The article indicates TO-2, and it is carried out by the crew with the involvement of specialists rem. subunits (repair company regiment). There is nothing complicated in the T-34, it is simple and reliable "like a tank". This expression came from her. I will accept these amounts if they need to carry out routine maintenance, which implies the replacement of all rubber-technical products (all pipes), revision and replacement of fuel equipment, but even then it is too large. Are there really such armless techies in the Taman division or are they just lazy?

[Cat man null]

Quote: kirgiz58

I will accept these amounts if they need to carry out routine maintenance, which implies the replacement of all rubber products (all pipes), inspection and replacement of fuel equipment ...

- they forgot the electrician
- what do you think is left (for 60+ years!) of the "native" insulation on the wiring?
- right ... nothing left

Quote: kirgiz58

Are there really such armless techies in the Taman division ...

- IMHO the Tamans are "out of business" here, they have enough to do without the T-34
- the tanks were just stored in Taman. And they will be restored by civilian specialists, from the same UVZ, for example.

IMHO, yes.

[kirgiz58]

I have not forgotten anything. In order MOT, not even PP (regulation). Tamanians are at work, because even the monuments on the pedestals go through the BTVT books. I agree that they are not in the state, but they are listed as Tamanians. And the cost of maintenance almost does not depend on who it is produced by, the military only does not count wages.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: kirgiz58

I will accept these amounts if they need to carry out routine maintenance, which implies the replacement of all rubber products (all pipes), the audit and replacement of fuel equipment, but even that is too big.

For this amount, 61 BTRZ will need to work 2,5 months, providing:

Technical supervision of the T-34 tanks (hereinafter referred to as the Product) in the amount of 3 (three) units in terms of the maintenance work during the preparation and conduct of the Victory Parade in 2017.
Maintenance of the T-34 tanks during the preparation and conduct of the Victory Parade 2017.

[Moore]

I have a little less anger, but nonetheless:
where it says that tanks should be taken to St. Petersburg? In parts, long ago, visiting brigades (the same Arzamas factory) go and carry out maintenance on the basis of the customer’s repair facilities.

[Damir]

equipment is preparing for the PARADE OF VICTORY !!!! There are no "original" spare parts ... that is, this is an order for production in single copies. expensive!!!! so for the parade it should be in perfect condition ... and most likely these particular cars have already undergone alterations ... a more modern engine, transmission alterations, etc.

[tinibar]

Quote: Giant thought

This tank has earned such respect for itself, making a huge contribution to the defeat of the Nazi Wehrmacht, and it is not for nothing that in many cities these tanks stand on pedestals.

This one in my city is Tula.

[masiya]

It’s better to spend money on maintaining operational tanks of historical tanks than to poke into your pockets ...

[BAI]

In fact, in Chelyabinsk, the T-34, after several decades of parking, itself moved under its own power from the pedestal. Well, of course, they replaced the oil and the battery. Well, the coolest thing was done in Ukraine. After ISU-152 was pulled out of the Dnieper after one day of shamanism, they started it, and it drove under its own power a trailer for further transportation. I don’t know what they did there, but the money was clearly less than 800. By the way, I recently saw a plot where the T-000-34 takes part in the hostilities in Yemen (without any 85 rubles).

[guzik007]

About passion -mordasti!
Yes, the goat understands that prices are much higher. Or do you think that bureaucrats after arrest hooting with fear will scatter in the corners? All rates were-and will be overstated. For wean only our bullet can wean our official. And nothing more.
By the way, in this particular case, they also hide behind beautiful words "about patriotism, a symbol of victory"
And about the "capricious T-34" it is generally a masterpiece! If he himself had not seen how the thirty-four, which stood in the underground storage, started up and did not go on its own, he might have believed it.

[Cat man null]

Quote: guzik007

prices are overstated at times ... All tariffs were-and will be overstated ...

- ABOUT HOW ...
- here you have the prices (for repair 34-k), and then ... tariffs
- you with stas157 not relatives, an hour? And not colleagues? Right?

Quote: guzik007

... the thirty-four who stood in the underground storage started up and on their own ... went ...

- where is this shown?
- tell us more in detail, well, oh, very interesting ... I want to see, start, go myself ...

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Cat Man Null

tell me in more detail, well, oh, very interesting ... I want to see it myself, start it, go ...

1991, the pedestal in front of the headquarters of 62 MSP, Olympishesdorf, ZGV, t34, tankmen commanded, changed oil, batteries, rang wiring, wound up, went to the park. She was 55 years old.

[Cat man null]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

1991 year ...

- enough (s)
- 25 years agoI heard right? "About nothing", if so...
- interesting, by the way ... the question was guzik007, and answers Bloodsucker. Lyubopsy-yytno

[guzik007]

- interesting, by the way ... the question was guzik007
--------------------------------
Ishshy-ishshy. It should be: =)) I'm talking about the answer, not about the joke.: =)))

[Cat man null]

Quote: guzik007

Ishshy-ishshy. Must be ...

- found already
- Your tandem amused me, in fact ... two .. um, loneliness found each other, the campaign

[guzik007]

tell me in more detail, well, oh, very interesting ... I want to see it myself, start it, go ..
-------------------------------
And you, by virtue of your tender age, will no longer see.: =))
And this thirty-four is standing, (I think it’s still standing), in the glorious district center Ludwigslust of the Schwerin region. It was found in an abandoned warehouse in a forest in the 80th. Moreover, all devices were duplicated in German. Changed the batteries, fuel. I drove 10-15 km under my own power, then an inexperienced mechanic broke the friction clutch. But they brought nothing on the tractor.
That's a pity, at that time there were no Internet connections with YouTube. But your generation wasn’t used to other sources of knowledge.: =))

[Cat man null]

Quote: guzik007

And because of your tender age, you will not see

- MDA ... gentle, where there ... only 5 years, but 11 times, to count
- about "you won't see" - how do you know? If you really want to, you can fly into space (c)

Quote: guzik007

And this thirty-four is standing, (I think it’s still standing), in the glorious district center Ludwigslust of the Schwerin region

- Campaign, not worth it ... sorry, of course

Quote: guzik007

It was found in an abandoned warehouse in a forest in the 80th. Moreover, all devices were duplicated in German

- "preserved" by the Germans, that is ... with the expectation of long-term storage. Not hinting at anything?
- 35+ years have passed since the car was found, no?

Quote: guzik007

there were no internet connections with YouTube at that time. your generation it’s not used to other sources of knowledge

- and yours?

[guzik007]

Well, thanks for the speed. Only I was mistakenly wrong. He stood in Dusseldorf at the headquarters of the division. And in Ludwigslust I served.
My generation has been rummaging through libraries, book debris and periodicals. The present, though this is my personal opinion, is a parasite at the ready.
I remember. Two young people got a job at my department. In response to my reproach that they didn’t hold books in their hands, they checked me for ayku for a long time. They would ask me a tricky question, then go to the corridor, then again and again. It turned out that they checked me through a mobile phone and Wikipedia. Laughter and more.
This is what distinguishes the knowledge gained by labor from freebies.

[Cat man null]

Quote: guzik007

It turned out they checked me through a mobile phone and Wikipedia

- DB, definitely
- I myself am not delighted with the "specialists" with whom I sometimes have to work
- I worked with "paper" (books and other things), and a lot, until the Internet appeared and my eyes sat down
- almost any information that is on paper is now easy to find on the internet ... and the ability to customize the font under the eyes is "our everything"
- I would not oppose the Internet to "paper", the only question is how you use that Internet. Knowledge can be scrubbed out of there, no worse than from books.

That's something like

[guzik007]

In principle, there is nothing for us to argue with in this matter.

[Vasily Krylov]

Thank you so much for the video, the place is really different, Uterbog, Potsdam County, and the time was earlier than 1974-1976, but we were there if we can be once again. Regards.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- "check" in this case means troubleshooting, with "incomplete disassembly" of the machine

Eck you bent down, the troubleshooting does not imply the disassembly of anything from the word at all. In order to diagnose a person, he is not "disassembled", but research is carried out, including instrumental. It is the same with technology. Or do you have a car at the service station thrown into the uchnar?

Quote: Cat Man Null

- tell us more in detail, well, oh, very interesting ... I want to see, start, go myself ...

What education do you have? If you can read the technical and valve timing diagram, as well as find TDC on the compression stroke, then you should go to the "search engines" or to the military registration and enlistment office.
And you are not the owner of the "office" for an hour by order of this TO or you are a representative of 61 BTRZ
But seriously, no one is against a good cause. But have a conscience gentlemen!

[Cat man null]

Quote: kirgiz58

Ek, you priest bent, troubleshooting does not involve disassembling anything from the word at all

- okay. I bent, I admit
- disassembly can happen later, according to the results of troubleshooting
- to rest my forehead against what was written in the article "TO-1 and TO-2" I would not ... I would not, it is not known in what state of the car

Quote: kirgiz58

Quote: Cat Man Null

- tell us more in detail, well, oh, very interesting ... I want to see, start, go myself ...

You have toWhat kind of education? If you can read the technical and timing diagram, as well as TDC on compression stroke

- whoa ... where is you taking, excuse me? The question was

Quote: Cat Man Null

is rAre they showing this?
- tell me more ...,

- But I already know how to get a tank ... even though I saw 34-ku only on the monuments, yes ...

In short ... a speech about anything, stop making fun already

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Cat Man Null

I want to see it myself, start it, go ...

I answered that.

Quote: Cat Man Null

- But I already know how to get a tank ... even though I saw 34-ku only on the monuments, yes ...

Here you can get 34-serviceable instantly, up to 62 matches inclusively too. It will be harder for you only with the 80th, but even then not for long, after reading the TO&IE and you will figure it out. But the complexity of diagnosing a faulty machine (tank) increases by an order of magnitude, and not even one from generation to generation. I'm ending up kidding. )))

[alstr]

About moodiness. In fact, the T-34-85 is a wartime machine. With all the ensuing consequences. In war, cars rarely lived long. Build quality was also military.
It was not for nothing that after the war there was a program for the modernization of equipment for peacetime, because it was very difficult to exploit the equipment released in wartime. And they wrote off a lot of equipment. Again, it is a well-known fact that tanks produced at different plants had different attachment points (i.e., moving an engine from one tank to another just didn’t work out that way). Plus now, to everything else, specialists who know the T-34-85 units. The rest need to re-examine it.

[kirgiz58]

All! I'm under the table Yes, and any techie there This is a masterpiece of the epistolary genre. Better delete your post yourself and do not disgrace.

Quote: alstr

It was not for nothing that after the war there was a program of modernization of equipment for peacetime, because it was very difficult to operate the equipment released in wartime

Yes Yes! The tanks were converted into "peaceful harvesters"

Quote: alstr

Again, it is a well-known fact that tanks produced at different plants had different attachment points (i.e., moving an engine from one tank to another just didn’t work out that way).

And the engines were manufactured at third plants and therefore did not fit the tanks at all

Quote: alstr

Plus now, to everything else, specialists who know the T-34-85 units. The rest need to re-examine it.

I am old, but not a mammoth. I did not fight on the t-34, but like any technician of the BTS (armored service), I will analyze and assemble the chassis and transmission of the T-34 on the main components and assemblies completely, without even using any adjusting devices. This is not because I am a genius, but because it is ingenious, designed in such a way that you need to be able to break it. The thinnest place is the high-pressure fuel pump (fuel pump), if it was not opened or the high pressure pipes were not disconnected from it, then it is 90% alive.

Quote: alstr

And they wrote off a lot of equipment

Equipment is written off both for reasons of "moral" obsolescence, and for unnecessary because of the number of units, and for the service life, and not because it was manufactured in wartime.

[alstr]

Here is a quote:
"The UKN program -" elimination of design flaws "was developed in 1945-1949. The purpose of the program was that wartime tanks could continue to function normally for at least 5 years of planned operation, up to complete wear of the engine-transmission unit and chassis Here is what L. Gorlitsky said about this program:

“When the war ends in 1945, we learned that all our tanks that they did during the war were unsuitable for service in peacetime ... During the war, the medium tank and self-propelled guns lived at the front from three days to a week (rarely more), keeping up with it’s time to take part at the most in two or three attacks and shoot from the gun at best from half to one BK ... It is clear that the resource of mechanisms was small. After the war, the tank was supposed to go not for a week, but for 5 years of planned operation. Therefore, all tanks of the war era had to be modified according to the program for eliminating the shortcomings. "

That is, the UKN program was designed to improve the design of war-time tanks in order to bring their characteristics to the requirements of serving in peacetime ...

It was the latest T-1945, IS-1951 (“Object 44”) and T-3 tanks that were the first (in 703-54) to this program, since they were to form the basis of the “first line” tank forces in the post-war years ... Following them (1947-1955 and then another 1957-1966), two successive modernization programs for the T-34-85 and IS-2 tanks followed. which constituted the majority in the armored forces of the Soviet Army during the war.

It was after the completion of the UKN that the T-34 tanks could serve for a long time to conduct driving training, as well as classes on the interaction of infantry with tank forces. "


And about the mounts - it really was. This happened due to the fact that they were produced at different plants (just remember that the towers of different plants were different from each other). The transition to them was also at different times, the documentation was slightly different due to the fact that the equipment was different, plus local ratiolizators tried. And to bring everything to a common denominator during the war is buzzing.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: kirgiz58

Yes Yes! The tanks were converted into "peaceful harvesters"

UKN program. It was about her that the head of the GABTU Marshal BTV Fedorenko wrote:

Of the currently available armaments of the Red Army, tank equipment should be the American medium tank Sherman M4A2 with artillery. armament in the form of a 76,2 mm cannon of high power and the Canadian light tank "Valentine" MK-9 with a 57-mm tank gun limited rollback ...
The indicated tank models compare favorably with the domestic ones in terms of ease of operation, significantly increased overhaul life, ease of maintenance and current repair, and at the same time their armament, armor and mobility make it possible to solve the whole range of tasks put forward by armored forces ...
According to numerous reviews from tank units, these types of tanks can be considered the best for serving in peacetime, mastering military equipment ...
I ask you to consider a set of measures for the speedy improvement of the design of domestic tanks, so that in terms of guaranteed mileage, ease of operation, repair and maintenance, they can be compared with the best foreign models ...

Quote: kirgiz58

And the engines were manufactured at third plants and therefore did not fit the tanks at all

Well, there were no problems with the engines. But the towers of different factories were definitely not interchangeable. The case of the unification of the T-34 reached even Stalin.

... in connection with the alterations of the MTO for the M-17, it suddenly turned out that, in general, the T-34s produced by different factories are very weakly coupled with each other in equipment. It happened more than once that during the repair of equipment damaged in the battles near Moscow, it was not possible to install the T-34 turret produced by one plant on the hull of another. This news aroused the anger of I. Stalin, who ordered "to investigate immediately." Therefore, by order No. 50 of February 7, 1942, the plants STZ and No. 112 were instructed to "urgently (within 5 days) unify the electrical equipment of the A-34 tank, report on performance."

Moreover, orders to ban plants from making changes to the design of the tank had to be issued in 1943 and in 1944.

[ingenera]

Being "in the subject" (served on the T-34-85), I'll tell you about the "capriciousness" In the tutorial we had the whole range of machines from 34s to IS-3s and self-propelled guns based on them. There were also T-54 and T-55. So, in the cold, of them, it was thirty-fours that were best started. There the Knicks heater was American. And about the "military" cars is not true. This is all post-war production with engines not 450, but 520 l / s. And the electrician and walkie-talkie, and even the ammunition was different. We had, for example, cumulative and half-caliber shells in sufficient (for our then tasks) quantity. Other batteries. And that the main clutches burned - so you need to be able to drive - use the onboard ones. Yes, it's physically difficult to manage. Gear shifting is harder, but again - you have to be able to. The machine of its time. The engine was changed in part and about different attachment points for each tank - nonsense. I think that the money demanded is clearly overstated. But, if the production of some parts needs to be established from scratch, and even in a small batch, then it is expensive.

[Sasha_Sar]

That’s stupid, almost half speaks expensive, the other half is normal. Taking into account the specifics of our officials, "kickback" there is laid down as to drink. They don't drive these cars every day in the field at the tankodrome. I agree that the oil and gum should be changed, even if the equipment is not in use, but there will be enough spare parts for them in warehouses for another war, that's two. And at the cost of such a TO, Stalin I.V. would shoot to hell with such designers for such a product.

[Chukcha]

Good. Here are the planes of the time to restore, generally will be great))

[witch]

2 THEN for two half lyama ???? they’re there quite a cookie ??? where the prosecutor’s office is looking. I’m on Finnish copra which is stuffed with electronics and all kinds of crap and it’s cheaper once in 10. in 3 and technically more t34. is it like a rocket with a simple AK74 automatic machine to compare for what is there so much dough thrown out?

[witch]

Quote: Damir

equipment is preparing for the PARADE OF VICTORY !!!! There are no "original" spare parts ... that is, this is an order for production in single copies. expensive!!!! so for the parade it should be in perfect condition ... and most likely these particular cars have already undergone alterations ... a more modern engine, transmission alterations, etc.

my friend zips to these tanks in warehouses is still enough if you know how much

[CKORPII]

2.5 lyama normally saw cut

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Temples

In the rest of Russia, they somehow manage without a "single performer". Not for that kind of money, of course, but they keep thirty-fours on the move.
The bureaucrats are completely fucked up.

Let me give you a modern example. Our family has had an Electrolux washing machine for over 15 years. Sometimes it was repaired in small ways. But then one day, when she completely refused, the master came, disassembled, looked and said: "I can't repair the house, I need to take it to the service, but I don't advise it. The car is old, there are such spare parts for electronics (the electronic control unit is out of order) Repairs with delivery back and forth will be more expensive than buying a new modern car. "
I advise you, find someone else's old tube color TVs made in the USSR and try to hand it in for repair. All hear about your mind and abilities and will give free advice about the trash.
So do not hang up noodles about the cost of repairing old equipment, for which all parts that fail should be re-done without drawings. Even drawings need to be done on broken parts and assemblies again.

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Quote: guzik007
... the thirty-four who stood in the underground storage started up and on their own ... went ...
- where is this shown?

In the 70, I personally served on the T-34-85 (several years). The tanks were in storage after major repairs from 1945, which was noted in the data sheet. They were removed from storage and started right there, and for the 40 machine exercises (tank battalion in the MS regiment). All on their own arrived in the training area. And the exercises were held in winter at minus 25 degrees. After the exercises, cleaning, minor repairs, maintenance, painting and again storing for long-term storage. Before storage, the tanks stood for 30 years in unheated wooden boxes.

[ingenera]

I served in 71-73, training in Bikin (KDVO), service in Leonidovo (Sakhalin) 157 SMEs, tank company. Tank commander sergeant. T-34-85 board number 209

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- interesting, by the way ... the question was guzik007, but the Bloodthirster answers. Lyubopy-yytno

Look at yourself in the mirror. You yourself constantly try to respond to comments that are not related to you, "Lyubopy-yytny" you are ours.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Алексей_К

You yourself constantly try to respond to comments that are not related to you, "Lyubopy-yytny" you are our

- I love you very much too
- especially for the depth of knowledge (in all, practically, areas), as well as the clarity and balancedness of all your judgments without exception
- Things like senility and sclerosis are not inherent to you at all (well, if only a little bit sometimes ... with whom it does not happen ....). For this, I, too, respect you very much ...

Go ... in peace

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: warlock

2 THEN for two half lyama ???? they’re there quite a cookie ??? where the prosecutor’s office is looking. I’m on Finnish copra which is stuffed with electronics and all kinds of crap and it’s cheaper once in 10. in 3 and technically more t34. is it like a rocket with a simple AK74 automatic machine to compare for what is there so much dough thrown out?

And you turn over for a major overhaul in the Finnish service "coper" manufactured in 1945 (without electronics) and you will hear the entire vocabulary of hot Finnish guys and free advice about the trash heap.

[kim. 230752]

2,59 million for maintenance of 3 tanks? Only for the engine, power train and hodovka? And not "from scratch" to restore, because they also took part in the previous parades. It looks like the amount is somewhat overstated.

[hjcuhfybwf]

The D-6 engine is still being produced and all the fuets for it are the tube filter tanks. The box is also mass-produced; in general, with the T-34, the engine went in all directions and was even put on ships. In general, for this money you can make a good repair, but it will turn out as always or not.

[gukoyan]

It would be better to invest this money on pensions and benefits than to spend on beauty.

[ingenera]

Here is a photo from the exercises, winter 72-73 And everything worked, spinning and shooting!

[Dekabrist]

We had the T34-85 in our park. At our training center, the Odessa film studio was making its films about the Second World War, so the tank was on the go. Management is really difficult, and the review, if on combat, is really bad. And people fought.

[Swetly]

Our armored train is on the siding!

[witch]

Quote: Алексей_К

Quote: warlock

2 THEN for two half lyama ???? they’re there quite a cookie ??? where the prosecutor’s office is looking. I’m on Finnish copra which is stuffed with electronics and all kinds of crap and it’s cheaper once in 10. in 3 and technically more t34. is it like a rocket with a simple AK74 automatic machine to compare for what is there so much dough thrown out?

And you turn over for a major overhaul in the Finnish service "coper" manufactured in 1945 (without electronics) and you will hear the entire vocabulary of hot Finnish guys and free advice about the trash heap.

there’s also a very old company that’s big. but I’ll tell you there are definitely no crazy price tags. so keep in mind that the service is not Russian but come from Finland. And it’s cheaper. But here the Soviet tank costs that much. It’s because filters are made of gold or some special oil ??? or tubes from California ???? complete nonsense here is 1 lam for 3 tanks, I can still understand. creaking soul)) 2 and a half seem to be too much. Even with a rotten rusty bolt they get it completely and it’s cheaper to restore it to manage than to carry out simply. complete nonsense

[Monarchist]

Quote: Vasily Krylov

To Prague, for sure, but not from Stalingrad, but from Ukraine, this is the end of 1943. Regards.

For your information: T34-85 was produced in the Urals, and you still need to see how many they were collected in Kharkov and how many in the Urals

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Monarchist

For your information: T34-85 was produced in the Urals, and you still need to see how many they were collected in Kharkov and how many in the Urals

It's not about where the T-34-85 was produced. The point is where they first went into battle.

The 34th Separate Tank Regiment (TP), which had 85 staffed vehicles including OT-5 flamethrowers, was the first unit to receive T-85-38 equipment with a D-21T-34 gun. Interestingly, the new “thirty-fours” were built at the expense of the Orthodox Church and had the name “Dmitry Donskoy” on board. In March 1944, the regiment became subordinate to the 53rd combined arms army and took part in the liberation of Western Ukraine.

So to Berlin and Prague T-34-85 went from Ukraine. From Moscow and Stalingrad to Berlin came the T-34-76.
As for the release, the T-34-85 produced three plants:
- Plant No. 112 "Red Sormovo";
- Plant No. 183 “Name of the Comintern”, Nizhny Tagil;
- Plant No. 174, Omsk
And in Kharkov, T-34-85, EMNIP, did not - they immediately began to prepare the production of T-44.

[Prince of Pensions]

Therefore, the "thirty-fourth" require scrupulous maintenance, even if they just stand in warehouses and are not used.

Nothing like this. The "Complete renovation" checkbox in the hangar works wonders. And the driver is the King of the off-road. Stood for a year. I went into the hangar and sat down and drove off.

[ingenera]

Quote: Monarchist

Quote: Vasily Krylov

To Prague, for sure, but not from Stalingrad, but from Ukraine, this is the end of 1943. Regards.

For your information: T34-85 was produced in the Urals, and you still need to see how many they were collected in Kharkov and how many in the Urals

It was the T-34-85 in Kharkov that was not released. Ural and Gorky. Tractors based on the T-34 were produced (after release) in Kharkov.

[bk316]

Enough is not that kind of money. It’s better to think how much the board cost to the manerheim or the elk center, but here first you need to really see what they did, what they changed before writing, just like the liberals are a word.
Today’s engine in the Panama Canal has broken at Zumvolt’s, this will be the price tag for repairs!

[Thompson]

Quote: samoletil18

Quote: Thompson

He who forgets the past has no future! These are not even tanks; these are symbols, a relic!

And, if the maintenance numbers of these tanks also include corruption interest from the contractor and the customer, then Ulyukaev is clean as a baby’s tear.

my friend, this is from another opera

[Fidel]

The main thing is that it’s interesting that the size of comments is 5 times larger than the article))) Respect to the author))

[Nikolay Borisov]

Everything needs to be fixed, otherwise suddenly the war and our monuments are not operational))

[garnik]

Quote: Temples

Let me guess - you are the owner of an auto economy class and you, perhaps, do something yourself.

You didn't guess a damn thing.
My "puzoterka" is worth more than 5 million. And I know how much MOT costs and how much salaries for such "puzoterki" cost. And I will tell you the "secret" - t34 is an ordinary tractor in fact. It has no pieces of wood, no leather, no newfangled sensors and other crap that makes a car cost like an airplane. So get down to the ground. This is a banal cut.

I agree. In Soviet times, at the Chirchik Tank Repair Plant (Uzbekistan), we restored the T-34 for Mosfilm. It was a "demobilization chord" and I think it was not a very costly event. Moreover, the chassis and the engine were mostly sorted out and painted.

However, this is not so much money for memory.

[kolchak]

It would be clear if these three tanks were on conservation horseradish knows how old. It would be incomprehensible if these tanks rode on Red Square every year. The engine is that the T-34, that the T-72 has the same unit , timing gear. So there’s nothing to replace the engine. From the outside the tank will not change. And if at all to find fault, the SU-100 was removed from service in 1993, there the chassis is 100% T-34.