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Exploration over the ocean. How to detect a nuclear cruiser

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The scandal with the sailor, whose selfie in the social network issued the position of the cruiser "Peter the Great", deserves a separate article.

What is dangerous access to the Internet on board a warship? And is it the fault of the sailors who have posted on the network pictures of their campaign?

Let's see what the Dutch journalist Hans de Vray saw in reality when he announced the discovery of a cruiser from a photo on the social network.

Exploration over the ocean. How to detect a nuclear cruiser




The scandal must begin not from a sailor, but from the question: is there a cellular connection or accessible WI-FI on the atomic cruiser? User GUEST, no password required.

Then everything depends on the issue of data transfer to the mainland. Is it possible to access the Internet using the ship's Coral satellite communications system or, say, the small-sized P-438M satellite station? Something suggests that all these devices use coded channels, transmitting information through military repeaters such as "Lightning-3" (high-elliptical orbits), "Globus-1" (GSO), etc.

With the help of special communication means, you cannot send an e-mail, not to mention the possibility of “posting bows” on Instagram. Ha ha ha.

Civilian wi-fi and affordable Internet on a warship - from the realm of fantasy. Judge for yourselves, 12 radars are installed on Petra, not counting the antenna communication devices and radio beacons of the helicopter drive system. The equipment is not acidic, so much so that the problem of compatibility of RT-systems is a headache for the designers of warships.



The standard range for Wi-Fi is 2,4 GHz, which exactly corresponds to the operating frequency of the multifunctional Frigate radar (decimeter S-band, 2 ... 2,5 GHz). By the way, its radiation power is 30 kilowatts.

As for satellite communications ... the Sheffield destroyer was immediately remembered. For the sake of eliminating interference during a conversation with London, his commander ordered to turn off the radar. For Sheffield, it has become fatal.

Since then, computers have changed beyond recognition, but the radio wave bands remain the same. Working radar creates a barrage of mutual interference.

Does anyone seriously think that our sailors will turn off the atomic cruiser radars for the sake of being able to put “likes” on the social network?

CONCLUSION: the sailors have posted a photo of the network, already being on the shore. While, when the label "Mediterranean, southeast of Crete" no longer corresponded to the real position of the cruiser.

Where and how this photo was posted - there is no information on this. All last weeks TARKR is in the open sea. Information about his visits to foreign ports was not received. The most logical assumption is that this selfie (self-shooting photo) was made during another “Peter” campaign, for example, in 2014 year.

The camera sees more than the eye.

All modern smartphones register GPS data in photo properties, so-called. geotag At the time of uploading a photo to the Internet, the place where the photo was downloaded was not displayed (for example, Moscow), but the place where it was taken (say, Peter). If desired, the function of determining the location can be turned off, although will there be any practical sense?

You were in this place at a specified time. Such a number of "nadtsatogo" year. Now you are no longer there. Everything!

Guiding rockets on geotags is the same as shooting without aiming.

Is it possible to determine the exact position of the cruiser according to GPS /
Glonass (at the time of getting a selfie)? The answer is of course not. The smartphone only receives signals from satellites, but does not transmit anything in response.

Is it possible to fix a cruiser at sea with the included mobile in the sailor’s pocket? With the same success, you can, while standing on the track, listen to the breath of a KamAZ driver.

The radiated power of the smartphone 30 thousands of times lower than that of the radar "Frigate"! This is not the most powerful shipborne radar.

A note about the capabilities of space intelligence.

In the ensuing discussion at the "VO" a statement emerged that the sailor of "Peter the Great" could not give out military secrets, because ... there is no secret. Thanks to reconnaissance satellites, the Pentagon knows the exact position of the cruiser at any given time!

It is not true.

Intelligence satellites see quite a bit, but, most importantly, they can only occasionally (two or three times a week) fly over a selected section of the ocean.



For some, it will be a revelation.

The earth rotates at a constant angular velocity of ~ 15 ° per hour. An artificial satellite, depending on the parameters of the orbit, makes one revolution in time from 90 min. up to 24 hours. As a result, with each orbit the satellite “lags behind” by 25 or more degrees. longitude Having completed one orbit, it turns out to be a completely different place — with each revolution, the projection of the satellite orbit shifts to the west thousands of kilometers.

The exception is the geostationary orbit, but it is too high (35 thousand km, 100 times farther than the orbits of military reconnaissance satellites). From this height, the scout will not see anything except the vague contours of the planet. Secondly, the GSO passes exclusively over the equator.

To be able to periodically (every few hours) check the situation in any area of ​​the ocean, a group of dozens of low-orbit satellites will be required. No country in the world has such opportunities.


NOSS satellites


The American naval intelligence system Naval Ocean Surveillance System (NOSS) has only three operational spacecraft. Domestic "Liana" consists of a single satellite electronic intelligence "Kosmos-2502". Its predecessor, the Legend MKRTS, also did not provide prompt data updates due to the lack of spacecraft.

Certain success is being made by China, which launched the three Yaogan maritime intelligence satellites of the three previous years in 14. But even this amount is not enough for permanent control over a given square of the world ocean.

What do satellites see?

The low frequency of data updates is an important, but not the only problem of space reconnaissance. As you may have guessed, spacecraft is difficult to see anything in detail from a distance of 500-1000 kilometers.

No need to refer to Google maps - high-resolution images of European cities were taken from the aircraft. On a summer cloudless day, with the position of the Sun not lower than 30 degrees. above the horizon.

There are no pictures of the ocean at all - all that you see is a continuous animation (it is proved by the complete absence of traces of ships).

The quality of satellite images leaves much to be desired. But the main problems of the optical range remain light and weather. The satellite does not see anything on the evening and night sides of the planet, just as it will not be able to see the part of the surface hidden by clouds (a fairly frequent atmospheric phenomenon, isn't it?).

However, to distinguish a large ship in a satellite image is quite simple. More precisely, not the ship itself, but its wake trail stretching for many tens of kilometers behind it.



But this is only on the condition that it all randomly fell on a picture from space. Just like that, it is possible to “scan” ocean expanses for the presence of a ship until the end of time. Just as it is impossible to detect and continuously, for many hours and days, accompany a naval target from space.

R-time - and the satellite pointed its cameras at a given object! This is only possible in Hollywood action movies.

The weak attenuation and transparency of the atmosphere for radio waves contributes to the development of radio engineering and radar reconnaissance. On the other hand, the cost of a satellite with a radar can be hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars. For obvious reasons, they can not be built in the required quantity. They are not able to work in the shadow of the Earth, and only the USSR ventured to bring into orbit reconnaissance aircraft with a nuclear reactor (of course, the idea turned into a farce).

The most promising direction was the military satellites of passive radio intelligence, but they are able to see only radiating targets. And only if they accidentally fall into the zone of their review.


Navigation situation in Gibraltar Avenue, filmed by German remote sensing satellite TerraSAR-X



Strait of Gibraltar on the background of the scale of the Mediterranean Sea



Gibraltar and the Mediterranean "puddle" against the background of the scale of the ocean
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  1. Samy
    Samy 23 November 2016 06: 47
    +14
    Lucid and ... reassuring. And then "Enemy of the State" really showed fiction.
    1. Titsen
      Titsen 23 November 2016 08: 56
      +3
      Quote: Samy
      Lucid and ... reassuring. And then "Enemy of the State" really showed fiction.


      The article is clearly big +!

      But it’s too late - the selfie-makers have already been fired and planted.

      For giving out Military Secret to the bourgeoisie!
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 23 November 2016 10: 09
        +3
        Titsen, you have reliable information that those sailors were put in or this is Wishlist
      2. In100gram
        In100gram 23 November 2016 18: 16
        +2
        Quote: Titsen
        But it’s too late - the selfie-makers have already been fired and planted.

        The link to the "studio. It's a pity the minuses were removed. This" Punchinel's secret "was discovered by the boys laughing
    2. Bursan
      Bursan 23 November 2016 12: 20
      +16
      Why are all of these sailors geotagged with? in every second news they write that our group of ships is accompanied along the route along the respectful distance of the enemy ships fellow what satellites, geotags, etc.? wassat
      1. In100gram
        In100gram 23 November 2016 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: Bursan
        Why are all of these sailors geotagged with? in every second news they write that our group of ships is accompanied along the route along the respectful distance of the enemy ships

        Quite right. There are also stationary beacons. And most likely the Mediterranean "puddle is perfectly visible from the banks of this
    3. Sevastiec
      Sevastiec 23 November 2016 14: 55
      +2
      Indeed, much has become a revelation. I really thought myself that not everything is so simple (and "Enemy of the State", absolutely unambiguously, considered it to be fiction), but I thought that the position of ships in the ocean can be tracked from satellites quite easily, but it’s just like that. It turns out that detection and tracking is still carried out mainly with the help of radar, ship and aviation. Well, our submarines also have a clear superiority due to the ability to follow surface ships along their wake.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 November 2016 18: 16
        +1
        Quote: Sevastiec
        and it’s like that.

        But I do not agree with Oleg. The quality of satellite imagery is excellent - it allows you to recognize faces, and not just the wake trace. Google maps are trivial - you can see the new roof on the birdhouse, and it is 2 by 3 meters. And military satellites are several orders of magnitude more technologically advanced.
        Further, back in the 80s, the USA and the USSR used satellites with the ability to track the background radiation, using them to track submarines under water (!). By the way, these satellites did not "take" the "atomic train"; background radiation on land is more widespread. Now it's not the 80s, technology has stepped far forward.
        So Oleg needs to study the subject more professionally - I still believe in it. laughing
        1. dobryKot
          dobryKot 26 November 2016 01: 26
          +1
          About Google in the article is written.
        2. Phoenix_L'vov
          Phoenix_L'vov 29 November 2016 08: 41
          +3
          Ingvar, about your words
          The quality of satellite shooting is excellent - it allows you to recognize faces
          - this, to put it mildly, is not true. The best reconnaissance satellites at the lowest point of their orbit, in ideal atmospheric conditions, will give a resolution of no more than five centimeters, and so - the result will be about ten to fifteen centimeters, at best - due to atmospheric refraction, the scourge of all observations through the atmosphere. ..

          http://zelenyikot.livejournal.com/47205.html
        3. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 10 December 2016 10: 58
          +1
          For optics, there is a resolution limit due to the very nature of light. Google the Rayleigh criterion. Therefore, no improvement in technology will make it possible to make out a face from orbit, even if we do not take into account the distortions introduced by the atmosphere.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 11 December 2016 20: 13
            0
            Quote: Narak-zempo
            Rayleigh criterion

            And if you connect a powerful computer to optics that takes into account all the factors?
            When the Rayleigh criterion is met, the intensity of the “gap” between the maxima is 80% of the intensity at the maximum, which is sufficient to resolve the lines and. if the Rayleigh criterion is violated, then one line is observed
            I’m kind of not a specialist, but critical thinking. And as I understand it from the wording of the explanation from this site (http://studopedia.ru/2_95932_razreshayushch
            aya-sposobnost-opticheskih-priborov.html), that is, the ability to bypass the Rayleigh criterion. hi
        4. Chief Officer
          Chief Officer 8 May 2017 20: 59
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The quality of satellite shooting is excellent - it allows you to recognize faces

          Have you really seen one such picture?
          Computers and software "guessing" the details of the picture are fairy tales for the little ones.
          Sometimes a whole regiment of “dalniks” fulfills some sort of AUG for the task of “search and discovery”. And Petrusha - and there will be a smaller aircraft-bearing warrant, and a bit quicker. And it doesn’t depend on the wind at all, unlike the aircraft jack.
    4. Sergey S.
      Sergey S. 26 November 2016 06: 20
      0
      Quote: Samy
      It is intelligible and ... reassuring

      Article +
      But in the long run it is necessary to prepare for the expansion of the capabilities of space technology ...
  2. tlauicol
    tlauicol 23 November 2016 06: 50
    +8
    handsome. good wrote an excellent article about finding a needle in a haystack
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 07: 18
      +23
      )))))) "satellites are a blind threshing floor" .. well, well .... but at the headquarters of the regiment there was a schedule for the flight of American satellites, the regime was prescribed "to hang out less at the headquarters, and not to put cars near" ... and this 35 years ago.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 November 2016 07: 27
        +28
        regiment headquarters moved at a speed of 30 knots by the forces of the construction battalion or lay in drift?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 07: 29
          +5
          there were a lot of such headquarters for GSVG, and each one has its own satellites?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 November 2016 07: 41
            +2
            and all of them, for years, decades, have stood in one place, like bridges, airfields, spaceports, naval naval bases, etc. Stationary objects
        2. Bursan
          Bursan 23 November 2016 12: 14
          +5
          Plus, for wit, a comment about the regiment headquarters in drift)))
        3. Colonel
          Colonel 23 November 2016 15: 51
          +6
          Quote: Tlauicol
          regiment headquarters moved at a speed of 30 knots ........ or lay in a drift?

          I don't know how fast the regiment's headquarters moved at Andrei Yuryevich, but we counted the battalion marches taking into account the satellite situation. And the "windows" were different - a few minutes or more than an hour.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 November 2016 18: 10
            +1
            Of course: to remove equipment from garages, hangars, or to load trains at the moment when the satellite takes a picture of the Fixed Base - it means to inform him of the relocation. But the base is motionless - that’s the secret of the satellite. A ship at sea must be sought, no barracks
          2. bk316
            bk316 29 November 2016 12: 47
            +2
            like
      2. Iline
        Iline 23 November 2016 08: 10
        +11
        Water would have been written correctly. Only a little bit is not finalized in the characteristics of the same satellites, but they can be much more, because with the given characteristics it makes no sense to launch them into space. I can bring pictures from the Tu-95MS satellite in flight, and this is far from Peter the Great. But the speeds are not comparable.
        I can say one thing for sure - a ship of this class remains "invisible" to the enemy as long as there is no need to know its location.
      3. lukewarm
        lukewarm 23 November 2016 09: 09
        +10
        wink
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        "satellites-blind threshing floor"

        this is how the question was never raised. The author, IMHO, clearly explained the limitations of satellite reconnaissance capabilities. Applied to the fact that the sailors with their "selfies" revealed a military secret.
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        at the headquarters of the regiment hung schedule of the passage of American satellites

        So the author says that for a satellite to find something, it should be at the right time in the right place. The military unit, unlike the ship, will not sail anywhere. And the demand not to hang out at the headquarters and not to park cars is the political-commander’s struggle for discipline, where the last argument is the American satellite.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 12: 36
          0
          Quote: unwillingly
          So the author says that for a satellite to find something, it should be at the right time in the right place.
          - but this is ... how is it? This not normal! how to define this "right place-time"? and what kind of money, perhaps a "dummy"? a part will not float away, and it's not the point, the question is that there are thousands of parts, but satellites? and if there is a time of flight. what is the point in satellites? to us brains someone "makes" it seems ... how complicated it is. what
      4. Monarchist
        Monarchist 23 November 2016 10: 26
        +1
        Andrei Yuryevich, think for yourself: did the Americans need to find out the location of the regiment headquarters and did not see it from the satellite, but is the headquarters in the desert or do people live in the vicinity?
        If there is a civilian population and there is transport, in a couple of days I will comb out the location of the headquarters. Given that the actions took place in the GDR in 1980-1981, even easier
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 23 November 2016 07: 11
    +4
    The picture cannot be attached to anything ... Only to the wake trace and the horizon. request
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 07: 32
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      The picture cannot be attached to anything ... Only to the wake trace and the horizon. request

      COORDINATE GRID? what
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 November 2016 09: 39
        +4
        What is the grid in the image? The conversation is only about the PHOTO!
        1. Sashka
          Sashka 23 November 2016 11: 39
          +2
          A photo taken on a smartphone, when you turn on geolocation (almost every smart phone has it), has labels: which device the photo was taken in, in which place! (Coordinates) and more.!
          So a modern photo can be tied to anything !!!
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 25 November 2016 14: 31
            0
            Sashka November 23, 2016 11:39 ↑
            A photo taken on a smartphone, when you turn on geolocation (almost every smart phone has it), has labels: which device the photo was taken in, in which place! (Coordinates) and more.!
            So a modern photo can be tied to anything !!!


            good if there is a program, I can not think that there will be nothing to eat (old hacker) laughing
            what a golden time to launch disinformation to the enemy what go figure smartphone put tags or ... repeat
            I remembered how recently our guys wanted to earn extra money - to sell the "secret" of the CIA ... but the special agencies interfered request could not wait until that money is transferred!
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 12: 41
          0
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          What is the grid in the image? The conversation is only about the PHOTO!

          well yes! what do we have? -based point. departure from the pier. direction (here guessing is not particularly necessary, due to the situation) further only route options to calculate, capture and accompany, no? the cruiser will not get lost, I'm sure.
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 23 November 2016 18: 24
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            well yes! what do we have? -based point. departure from the pier. direction (here guessing is not particularly necessary, due to the situation) further only route options to calculate, capture and accompany, no? the cruiser will not get lost, I'm sure.

            All the straits in the Mediterranean are still controlled by NATO.
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 23 November 2016 14: 00
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Snapshot cannot be attached to anything

      You can try to the Sun, the Moon, the stars, but you should probably know the time zone, in any case you need at least one constant laughing
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 23 November 2016 14: 06
        +11
        If you are such specialists, then attach this photo to the coordinates and time:
        1. jjj
          jjj 23 November 2016 18: 57
          +3
          By time, approximately, 1998 year
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 24 November 2016 01: 36
            +3
            Sakhalin is about 1000 km long, and the date is approximate - you can strike, do not miss.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 24 November 2016 01: 40
        +3
        And in the photo there is only the horizon, two happy faces, a gun and a trace from the boat! No sun, stars, moon and time are indicated!
      3. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 24 November 2016 12: 12
        0
        There you will have to know for sure even the level of the slope of the hundredth, which took the picture and the correction for the rolling of the ship. To select an error with acceptable accuracy. And then you get a spread of position in 200-300 km.
  4. guzik007
    guzik007 23 November 2016 07: 25
    +6
    Judging by Kaptsov, then the probability that during WW2, with those antediluvian means of detection, someone sank someone, tends to zero.
    1. AUL
      AUL 23 November 2016 09: 46
      +6
      Have you ever heard of air reconnaissance? About intelligence intelligence? On patrolling the seas on all sorts of small ships? Hemingway took part in patrolling the Caribbean on his yacht. Submarines in areas of military patrols in the ocean. Fishermen and merchant ships could manage to transmit meeting messages before they were sunk. So the probability is far from zero.
      And in the article we are talking about detection from a satellite. And here the probability is rather small.
  5. KLV
    KLV 23 November 2016 07: 25
    +2
    Quote: "All modern smartphones register GPS data in the photo properties, the so-called" geotag "."
    And now the question is: even when the GPS receiver on the smartphone is not turned on?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 07: 33
      +1
      Quote: KLV
      Quote: "All modern smartphones register GPS data in the photo properties, the so-called" geotag "."
      And now the question is: even when the GPS receiver on the smartphone is not turned on?

      is the battery removed too?
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 23 November 2016 14: 02
        0
        If the ZHPS is turned off, then the location is determined by the nearest towers, the question is: "are there towers in the middle of the sea?"
  6. Alex_59
    Alex_59 23 November 2016 07: 30
    +9
    Educational program for communication and radio engineering for dummies. Well, in general, everything is correctly written, nothing new.
    Only by the frequency of updating information, our EMNIP our Lotus-С1 passes over the same point of the earth once in 13 hours. Therefore, one satellite with such a frequency of infa is updated.
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      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 23 November 2016 08: 54
        +2
        you are again discussing stationary objects that a satellite or plane takes off when it suits him - they have been waiting for a photo shoot for years
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          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 November 2016 11: 17
            +2
            Yes the boat exits the dormitory windows

            it can be seen without a satellite, and so they stand for six months or more
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 23 November 2016 12: 21
            +2
            They also correct the orbit, and yet, evil tongues speak - Zumwalt broke before reaching the base :))))
        2. Iline
          Iline 23 November 2016 12: 14
          +7
          How do you like the Tu-95MS image from space overlaid on Yandex. Cards? There, by the way, and cars are visible on the road. And no inverse trace is visible what the author of the article is raving about.

          And the plane is in flight ...
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 23 November 2016 12: 19
            +2
            great, and what does it give us? Where are these cars and the plane now? hit the google photo? what if they are still there, right?
            1. Iline
              Iline 23 November 2016 14: 27
              +4
              This is a screenshot from a computer screen.
              And the picture was taken in real time with reference to the coordinates of the area. On satellites, not pictures are taken, but information is transmitted continuously to command posts. But there, the decision is made on the received data on what and where to strike. And whether to apply it at all.
              This snapshot is for refuting nonsense in an article about the elusiveness of aircraft carriers.
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 23 November 2016 18: 15
                +1
                This is a real-time shot of that location with reference to the coordinates that the satellite was supposed to shoot and that's it! he didn’t even know that there would be an airplane or cars, he was taking pictures of the terrain, fixed objects - the ship couldn’t be found using such a lottery
      2. dauria
        dauria 23 November 2016 12: 32
        +3
        Likbez for dummies and from the teapot. Starting from the capabilities of satellite communications on the ship and ending with the quality of satellite images.


        And one more thing - working in the same range for modern communications is also not a problem. Every house in every apartment has a 2.4 GHz access point, radio control toys in the same range. However, the laptop sees its "home" network on the 5th floor from the sandbox next to the house. Now there are no "selected" frequencies, the signal is artificially smeared over the entire range by a code insert of the Barker type, and is also used to recover from the noise level (there is such a thing - a correlation technique). A sort of digital selection instead of frequency selection. And it is stupid to crush the entire range with power - of course it is possible, but already more expensive.
  7. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 23 November 2016 07: 38
    +7
    I fundamentally disagree with the author. Last year, for the sake of advertising, pictures from one of the new Russian satellites were displayed on the network. The quality of the pictures was very good, I don’t think the United States is worse, do not underestimate the enemy.
  8. Professor
    Professor 23 November 2016 07: 52
    +14
    Well, of course. The cruiser is invisible. Who would doubt that. Yes, Oleg? wink
    The resolution of the spy satellites (which we know for sure) is tens of centimeters. There are not three spy satellites at all, but much more. The author forgot about the "meteorological" satellites. Somehow the author missed the topic of high-altitude drones that can graze an invisible cruiser for days.
    Oleg. I understand your love for a large piece of iron in the sea, but be not so predictable and tendentious. hi
    1. Santa Fe
      23 November 2016 08: 30
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      The resolution of spy satellites (which we know for sure) is tens of centimeters. Spy satellites are not three

      But not 43

      If three satellites are enough for a global communications system in the GSO, then on medium-height orbits (5000 — 15 000 kilometers) it is already required from 8 to 12 spacecraft. And for the heights of 500 — 2000 kilometers, more than fifty satellites are needed.
      Quote: Professor
      Somehow the author missed the topic of high-rise drones

      Triton adopted?
      Full Operating Capability (FOC) planned in 2023. [9]
      Quote: Professor
      who can graze the cruise stealth for days.

      He is teased by the press service of the Ministry of Defense through all major media.

      Everyone knows that the cruiser is located in the Eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, performing a task in Syria. In order to know its exact coordinates, one departure of Orion from AB Sganella over the indicated region of the Mediterranean was enough (which in itself is a small inland sea)
      For those who are not in the subject Orion EP-3 is the reconnaissance version of the anti-Orion (SIGINT / ELINT?). Or the usual antiswitch, a visual method. Nobody will shoot at him. The media covers everything in the smallest detail, no one is going to fight, to hide too
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 November 2016 09: 32
        +7
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        But not 43

        43 and do not. The cruiser is not a hare in the forest - will not give. How many nodes are he developing there? How far will it take in 90 minutes from one satellite? And there are a lot of such things.

        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Triton adopted?

        Are you not comfortable with this?

        Then buy Heron.



        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        He is teased by the press service of the Ministry of Defense through all major media.

        Everyone grazes him. From "fishing schooners" collecting garbage after him, to submarines and aircraft. Do not hide the cruiser. Sorry, but this time the article is about nothing. repeat
        1. Santa Fe
          23 November 2016 09: 50
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          43 is not necessary.

          And how much is needed for the data refresh rate t = 90 min?
          for anywhere in the world
          Quote: Professor
          Then buy Heron.

          He is not a high drone
          Quote: Professor
          Do not hide cruiser

          In peacetime, he does not hide
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 November 2016 10: 00
            +4
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            And how much is needed for the data refresh rate t = 90 min?
            for anywhere in the world

            About any point this is not for me. I will not look for a cruiser in the steppes of Kherson region. For confident tracking of a target like a cruiser, the existing number of birds is enough.

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            He is not a high drone

            Hermes’s cruising height is 33 feet, the Raptor’s 000 and Triton’s 50. You know what it affects. Hermes is not enough?

            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            In peacetime, he does not hide

            And during the war, dive into the taiga?
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 23 November 2016 10: 35
              +8
              In fairness, I note that Oleg (Kaptsov) wrote only about space intelligence - he did not touch fishermen, aircraft, drones, submarines and shipspotters. And so our squadron can also be found at marin traffic - by tugboats and tankers that are dragged behind it
              1. Andrey Yuryevich
                Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 11: 05
                +6
                Quote: Tlauicol
                And so our squadron can also be found at marin traffic - by tugboats and tankers that are dragged behind it

                here, neither subtract nor add ... sad
            2. Santa Fe
              23 November 2016 10: 51
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              I will not search for cruisers in the steppes of Kherson.

              Do you want satellites to fly exclusively over the ocean?

              It does not happen
              If he sees any point of the ocean - he sees any point of the surface in principle.
              it became clearer?

              Then I repeat the question - How many satellites are needed for data refresh rate t = 90 min?
              Quote: Professor
              You know, what it affects. Hermes is not enough?

              So instead of "high-altitude drones", Hermes is))

              Hermes is not enough, too small a radius for the ocean
              Quote: Professor
              And during the war, dive into the taiga?

              During the war, he doesn’t hang around for weeks in one place, under the enemy’s nose

              And knocks Hermes who risked to approach with the Orions
              1. Professor
                Professor 23 November 2016 14: 44
                +2
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Then I repeat the question - how many satellites are needed for the data refresh rate t = 90 min?

                Enough available.

                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                So instead of "high-altitude drones", Hermes is))
                Hermes is not enough, too small a radius for the ocean

                Of course that's enough. No one will search for the cruiser. He simply will not be overlooked if necessary, making refueling. Don't like Hermes? We can offer Eitan. wink


                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                During the war, he doesn’t hang around for weeks in one place, under the enemy’s nose
                And knocks Hermes who risked to approach with the Orions

                How is it not stamping around? He cuts the fast and the furious and gives a fight at 200 knots? Or shoots all aircraft in a radius of 500 km? You have unlimited ammunition, as I understand it. wink

                Oleg, do not bring your love for cruisers to a fetish.
            3. ZAV69
              ZAV69 23 November 2016 12: 54
              +1
              Prof, you yourself say that it’s not a war yet. The cruiser is not hiding; the campaign is illuminated by each tabloid and thematic site. Every grunt on his seiner stares at him.
              But God forbid, the war begins, then the satellites will be the first to be handed out (I won’t believe anything), using other people's drones to naughty out of everything that’s possible, alien fishermen should be drowned as potential spies. And then we’ll see how easy it is to find it.
        2. In100gram
          In100gram 23 November 2016 18: 34
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Do not hide the cruiser. Sorry, but this time there’s nothing about the article.

          No one said that the cruiser can be hidden. An article in defense of fans of social networks and selfies. they did not give out secrets with this photo. And the cruiser or aircraft carrier gets to the pictures by accident, in cloudless weather they are clearly visible from satellites bully
    2. 75 hammer
      75 hammer 23 November 2016 08: 48
      +4
      Again, Mossad walks, an article about detecting the owner’s location by a cellular signal, with the possible effect of distorting electromagnetic signals on the signal. The only time a missile was guided by a SATELLITE telephone signal was the Russians in Chechnya, using a specially developed detection system developed by a whole design bureau! And let spy satellites spy! Hi Sinai (not grief).
      1. Professor
        Professor 23 November 2016 08: 53
        +2
        Quote: Hammer 75
        The only time a missile was guided by a SATELLITE telephone signal was the Russians in Chechnya, using a specially developed detection system developed by a whole design bureau!

        Learn the materiel. Dudaev spoke on SATELLITE, not on cellular.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 23 November 2016 11: 31
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Teach materiel.


          Professor, where do you live nonche? ;)
          There is infa that the Russian Federation bought some of the promised land.
          Type entirely -
          Russia has paid Israel a pension guarantee. From the point of view of international law, this is nothing. Country - also nothing. Unless the creak of the teeth of the people themselves on the one hand, and rubbing their hands on the other. Law of the sea also passes by. And, the moment of truth, who bought (paid) preferences, which he did not have to pay (that is, of his own free will, or by petition), under Roman law automatically indicates the purchase of the subject. Go before it’s too late. Israel is now howling about Admiral Kuzi wandering off the coast, howling at the fact that the missile systems monitor every movement of the planes, and there is no more freedom to "fly urine wherever I want." More or less nimble political scientists say that Russia will never put pressure on Israel and other utter nonsense. But now they are trembling more than ever from what is being done under their shores and near the country. This fear can be understood. But! They do not voice why they can not resist - neither legal nor political. They don’t even stutter about moral law. And why? According to Roman law, Russia formally bought the right of ownership (on which term makes pension payments - for the same period) to the entire territory of Israel (including the majority of residents).

          I would like to estimate - true / no ... :)))
          1. Professor
            Professor 23 November 2016 14: 46
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            I would like to estimate - true / no ... :)))

            Brad.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 November 2016 18: 39
      0
      Quote: Professor
      The author forgot about the "meteorological" satellites.

      Professor - redneck stuck, but plus you still had to put. For Plato is my friend, but ..... request
  9. Engineer
    Engineer 23 November 2016 07: 57
    +4
    So much crap in the article ....
    Intelligence satellites see quite a bit, but, most importantly, they can only occasionally (two or three times a week) fly over a selected section of the ocean.

    For this, a network of spy satellites is being developed so that coverage is constant, but
    For some, it will be a revelation.

    smile
  10. kuz363
    kuz363 23 November 2016 07: 59
    +4
    Great, clear article! And then some readers with foam at the mouth proved the uselessness of DBC. That supposedly US satellites will continuously monitor their movements at any time of the day!
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 23 November 2016 13: 02
      +4
      Quote: kuz363
      Great, clear article! And then some readers with foam at the mouth proved the uselessness of DBC. That supposedly US satellites will continuously monitor their movements at any time of the day!


      It’s absolutely real to control the DBC.
      Using seismic sensors with a radio channel.
      Scatter along the canvas seismic sensors with a signature configured on the BRZHK - and wait for its passage.
      Passed - went the modulated signal lasting in thousandths of a second.
      3-5 sensors have worked - you can also calculate the speed.
      Near the stations and along the railways of the Russian Railways - in principle, in theory it is not difficult to place tens of thousands of seismic sensors.
      Of course, miracles are needed in order to create total control over the DBC in our territory, but in principle the system is absolutely operational.
      If you analyze and combine the response time of the seismic sensors and the data of the military smartphones that serve on these trains, you can isolate them. And control over the DBC will become much easier.
  11. Moore
    Moore 23 November 2016 08: 26
    +5
    No need to refer to Google maps - high-resolution images of European cities were taken from the aircraft. On a summer cloudless day, with the position of the Sun not lower than 30 degrees. above the horizon.

    Stationary positions of the Strategic Missile Forces regiments (cars and shadows from people visible) in the Novosibirsk Region also from airplanes? And probably from our own?
    But the main problems in the optical range remain illumination and weather. The satellite does not see anything on the evening and night sides of the planet, just as it can not see the surface area hidden by clouds (a fairly common atmospheric phenomenon, right?).

    How about the fact that the detection and identification of an object using a spacecraft is, generally speaking, a complex process, in which both "Keyholes" (which in nadir and at a minimum orbital height allow one to determine objects up to 7 cm in size) are involved, as well as any other radar "Lacrosses" (clouds and night are not a hindrance to them) with RTR KA unknown to anyone?
    This is to say that our sworn partners are not fools and they know the matter tightly - do not throw their hats over them.
    1. Santa Fe
      23 November 2016 08: 49
      +3
      Quote: Moore
      Stationary positions regiments RVSN

      STATIONARY
      Quote: Moore
      positions of the regiments of the Strategic Missile Forces (cars and shadows from people are visible)

      Visible very bad
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 11: 09
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Visible very bad

        Oleg, there are special services, the special services have certain equipment, filters, programs and other louboutin ... I think so ... so they will probably still try to "see" what interests you.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 23 November 2016 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Visible very bad

        ... no, Oleg ...
        See here -


        Another thing is that it gives little.
        In conditions of OP and the implementation of special events ...
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 23 November 2016 10: 36
      +3
      Cap-hatred in the army - the path to defeat!
  12. ALLxANDr
    ALLxANDr 23 November 2016 08: 46
    +2
    Overgrown with stereotypes of cinema :(
    Thank you for opening your eyes to many questions. It was very informative !!!
  13. aiw
    aiw 23 November 2016 09: 49
    +10
    As for determining the coordinates of TAKR for a particular selfie - it’s clear that the fake, journalists are such journalists. But the guys had the technical ability to merge selfies into the network - mobile communications have quite decent coverage off the coast.

    As for the satellites - Oleg, well, how much can you repeat do not write on technical topics! Your articles on the history of the fleet are magnificent, but as soon as you begin to touch the technique you get nonsense ;-(

    A 30KW radar with a narrow beam and a regularly scanning horizon can be seen from far away, including and from the satellite. In order to make an elementary satellite of electronic intelligence from a conventional satellite, it is enough to put an omnidirectional antenna on it and organize data traffic to the ground, then the data processing issue.

    As for the motion of the satellite’s trajectory relative to the earth - and who said that the satellite sits only in the circumpolar orbit? In Soviet times, in all the diseases of serious HF, there was a schedule of flights of adversary satellites, and at that time it was ordered to stop all work that can be seen from above. There were not one or two such flights a day; the work was hindered greatly. So this is in the old days, when the cameras were large and mostly film, and now ... Remote sensing satellites divorced like fleas, they really cost a penny. There is not even a CCD matrix, but ONE line of sensors, as in a flatbed scanner, their resolution is also quite decent.

    There are big problems with finding submarines from outer space, there are all sorts of attempts to catch changes in the surface layer of water there when such a fool swims in the depths. There are some problems with operational target designation - RCC will not wait an hour or two until another reconnaissance officer passes over the target area to transmit the exact coordinates. But in regularly determining the coordinates of such a fool as TAKR from space - there are no problems.

    By the way, in addition to the range of visible light blocked by cloudiness, there are other ranges. A large surface ship fonet and rings in all ranges like a bell to the alarm, starting with IR - the heat from the power supply must be dumped somewhere ... Zamvolt is an exception, but it broke.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 23 November 2016 11: 47
      +1
      Quote: aiw
      About satellites

      ... but this is also not so simple.
      Uv. Dear colleagues, we are currently operating with a "peacetime" situation. With the onset of the OP, the band of their "blinding and vault from orbits" will begin. The USSR had the ability to build 2-4 per hour.
      So estimate what will happen next ...
    2. Nekarmadlen
      Nekarmadlen 23 November 2016 11: 51
      +1
      A few years ago we went on a yacht with friends on a tour of the Red Sea when we were in Egypt)))) Just a bit off the coast, cellular communications no longer work .... !!! Most likely in the Mediterranean Sea the same thing is, why should operators make a coverage area in the sea, the ships have completely different means of communication ...
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2016 12: 36
      0
      Quote: aiw
      By the way, in addition to the range of visible light blocked by cloudiness, there are other ranges. And a large surface ship fonet and rings in all ranges like a bell to the alarm, starting with IR - the heat from the power supply must be dumped somewhere ...

      On "Bigler", pomnitsa, there was a story of the RTR-sheep with the RRC "Slava": an American AV passing through Suez, calmly showed up from an anchorage near the Libyan-Egyptian border.
  14. masiya
    masiya 23 November 2016 10: 33
    0
    What was required to prove, roughly speaking - there are satellites and there is nobody to look for ... look for the wind in the field!
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 11: 10
      +1
      today is probably the most interesting topic, I learned a lot for myself, thanks to everyone. hi
  15. Operator
    Operator 23 November 2016 11: 03
    +4
    Article - Fiction for Big White Fleet fans.

    All ships illuminate themselves with their radars, radio transmitters and drive systems like Christmas trees in any weather and at any latitude. Moreover, according to the characteristics of radio emission, the type of ship is clearly determined.

    To control the entire oceans online, 50 simple RTR nanosatellites in orbits about 1000 km high are enough.

    All surface ships for RTR satellites look like pregnant cockroaches on a bare wall laughing
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      All surface ships for RTR satellites look like pregnant cockroaches on a bare wall

      namesake, you are breaking everyone’s brain ... belayhow to live with it? crying
      1. Operator
        Operator 23 November 2016 12: 13
        +1
        Look at things positively, in the event of war, things will not come to satellites - on Monday in the Panama Canal the newest surface ship, nicknamed Zyuzya, was de-energized laughing
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 November 2016 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Look at things positively, in the event of war, things will not come to satellites - on Monday in the Panama Canal the newest surface ship, nicknamed Zyuzya, was de-energized laughing

          yes ... I saw ... the aborigines sat on the shore with interest, and wondered whether the "iron" would sink or not? little things, of course, on the one hand, but on the other: "the devil is in the little things" (C) anyway nice. drinks(remember you)
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 23 November 2016 14: 06
          0
          Quote: Operator
          on Monday in the Panama Canal, the newest surface ship, nicknamed Zyuzya, was de-energized

          This Destroyer has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down. smile
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2016 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      All ships illuminate themselves with their radars, radio transmitters and drive systems like Christmas trees in any weather and at any latitude. Moreover, according to the characteristics of radio emission, the type of ship is clearly determined.

      Yeah ... someone already described the stealth ship as crouching on a dark night dressed in all black ninja, who at the same time highlights his way with a dozen colorful lanterns. smile
    3. bk316
      bk316 29 November 2016 13: 04
      +2
      All surface ships for RTR satellites look like pregnant cockroaches on a bare wall

      Exactly. Oleg simply does not want to recognize the vulnerability of ocean monsters. (He really loves them) That's why he writes about the low resolution of satellite images, as if to find a cruiser you need a high resolution. Well, about the radio signature, the silence seems to know nothing Oleg ... Oleg ....
  16. MarioG
    MarioG 23 November 2016 11: 38
    +2
    The characteristics of military satellites are among the most classified, and the author, on the basis of civilian technology, made too far-reaching conclusions.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 November 2016 12: 25
      0
      Are they moving much faster, scanning the Earth every 10 minutes, and at the same time do not leave orbit? No ! the number of satellites is limited and the speed is also
      1. MarioG
        MarioG 23 November 2016 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: Tlauicol
        the number of satellites is limited and the speed is also

        And if we assume that the "civil" satellites are dual-use? Or do you think that everyone is obliged to inform you about the area of ​​responsibility, the resolution of the cameras, installed equipment, and so on on the list?
        1. Operator
          Operator 23 November 2016 13: 32
          +1
          IMHO - all modern satellites, regardless of their intended purpose, are equipped with a maaaaaaaaaalenky RTR unit.
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 23 November 2016 13: 38
          0
          meaning? A reconnaissance aircraft / drone is cheaper than 50 satellites. or how many tens / hundreds of them will be needed in low orbit for constant observation at each point on the surface?
          1. Operator
            Operator 23 November 2016 22: 28
            +1
            The meaning is simple - every five years I launched RTR nanosatellites with one 50 rocket launcher and it doesn’t hurt my head how much to keep drones in the air and at airfields, taking into account their flight time for viewing the World Ocean.
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 24 November 2016 03: 46
              0
              the drone does not need to survey the oceans - it is able to monitor the cruiser in shifts around the clock, where the ship goes there. Satellite - no, the ship doesn’t give a damn about its orbit. Enough of the Hock pair.
              but how many nanosatellites do you have in your bosom? zero!
              1. Operator
                Operator 24 November 2016 11: 11
                0
                Are you seriously worried about the number of RTP nanosatellites each weighing 10 kg?
                1. tlauicol
                  tlauicol 24 November 2016 13: 30
                  0
                  yes, at least 100 grams
                  I'm seriously worried about their intelligence abilities crying
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 24 November 2016 13: 40
                    0
                    Mutually, I am seriously worried about the number of Russian analogs of "Hawks" - how many surface ships of the ocean zone are in the ranks of NATO, Japan, South Korea and Australia (and China does not hurt)?

                    You also need to remember to multiply the number of UAVs by two - taking into account the limb, the fuel supply on each of them.
  17. iskander491
    iskander491 23 November 2016 13: 57
    +2
    The article is written primarily correctly, only satellites dangles more on the orbit than it seems and our optics are such that newspapers can be read from orbit in the park. But our cruiser in a pool to find is not a problem, the sense is that if only they had found it. There Kuzya smokes so that they can be seen for a hundred miles. And what is the panic on the ship with kuzi flying to bomb, the ship group openly work out what the hell ... military secret. Constantly accompanied by boats, then ships, then airplanes. This topic has already been sucked to the bone as much as possible.
  18. demiurg
    demiurg 23 November 2016 15: 00
    +2
    Not too lazy, sat thinking, plusanul :))
    In the 80s, he was reading an article in a foreign military review on paper that America, which was an aircraft carrier, had been searching for two weeks during exercises in the Pacific Ocean (it was he who represented Minsk). TWO WEEKS And this is not some kind of small fry of 25 thousand tons. Full-fledged 80000 tons. They were looking for everything, a satellite constellation, coastal aircraft, and coastal aviation, and two AUGs, and a handful of nuclear submarines. It was allowed to interrogate neutral civilian courts.

    Oleg, is it weak to give a review about the modernization of Kuznetsov? Does it make sense or not?
    Is it possible due to the demolition of the Granite mines, KP and other unnecessary things to expand the hangar?
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 23 November 2016 18: 21
      0
      ours also lost an aircraft carrier (American), no satellites helped. discussed in

      Oleg does not like aircraft carriers, it is unlikely to bother with Kuznetsov
    2. dauria
      dauria 23 November 2016 18: 21
      0
      [quoteTwO WEEKS And this is not some kind of small thing of 25 thousand tons. Full-fledged 80000 tons. They were looking for everything, a satellite constellation, coastal aircraft, and coastal aviation, and two AUGs, and a handful of nuclear submarines. It was allowed to interrogate neutral civilian courts.] [/ Quote]

      But "Bismarck" with "Prince" could not slip through belay And neither satellites, nor super-horizon radars, it’s ridiculous not even aviation (the weather failed). And the puddle is wide. Straight miracles. recourse And there "Novik" quietly skirted the whole of Japan. It's a pity, they got caught anyway.
      Doenitz acted even easier - only a dozen boats in the Atlantic ring, and the convoys managed to run into them.
      1. demiurg
        demiurg 23 November 2016 19: 31
        +2
        Quote: dauria


        But "Bismarck" with "Prince" could not slip through belay And neither satellites, nor super-horizon radars, it’s ridiculous not even aviation (the weather failed). And the puddle is wide. Straight miracles. recourse And there "Novik" quietly skirted the whole of Japan. It's a pity, they got caught anyway.
        Doenitz acted even easier - only a dozen boats in the Atlantic ring, and the convoys managed to run into them.

        Bismarck was met only because he ran into a Swede in the Baltic. Having his economic course, an approximate direction, we calculated where he can be. And a considerable grouping of ships grazed it in a rather narrow strait.
        I don’t remember about Novik, and now I won’t rummage through Vika.
        And the flocks of the pope stood on the traditional paths. If people are squinted enough not to change traditional routes, and at the same time are deprived of normal escort, they should be punished.
        By the way, Prince Eugen, having gone not to Brest, but the Atlantic, threw the chase off his tail. Bismarck trampled along the shortest path, where everyone kicked him. So the consistency and amount of oil in the captain’s head plays an important role.
        And by the way, in spite of everything, it was fatal bad luck that played a cruel joke with the battleship. Now the freebie fell into the hands of the British. I'm talking about a successful torpedo.
  19. NordOst16
    NordOst16 23 November 2016 20: 53
    0
    This cruiser is a dead end branch of development. Much more efficient than this Peter will be our ash-tree.
  20. proud
    proud 23 November 2016 21: 46
    0
    In a word, you are boiling from scratch, clowns! One woodpecker wrote nonsense with a fool, and the sailors were almost ranked in Judah! Still, Kaptsov sometimes writes smart Bravo articles!
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 24 November 2016 04: 17
      0
      maybe not Judas, but de / bily for sure. as blond chicks post all sorts of nonsense to the Internet, so these photos are poured into the network, also from the place of military service. it is the same, it is not normal. and even if not tyuryachki, but they deserve the dismissals for sure. let pictures in the style of "me and my work" be taken in civilian life, in the office there or at a gas station ...
  21. Photon
    Photon 24 November 2016 23: 23
    0
    As I understand it, it is very difficult to find a ship in the ocean, almost impossible. Only in the eighties of the last century, our weather ships regularly, every other day, visited the Orions. But these are not even military ships. And away from the sea routes.
  22. BAI
    BAI 29 November 2016 13: 05
    0
    I don’t think that Google’s submarine bases were photographed from an airplane, but all the ships are perfectly visible.
    In the open sea I did not pay attention, but along the coast, not only yachts sailing (but also anchoring (small, not Abramovich's)) and just boats are perfectly visible.
    In general, technical intelligence is a delicate matter and owls. secret. I can imagine how specialists in this area are giggling now, but without comment, because - professionals.
  23. tundra
    tundra 29 November 2016 22: 21
    0
    I don’t know, I don’t know, I saw my yard and my car in the yard was quite decent.
  24. Gust
    Gust 6 February 2017 10: 14
    0
    Everything revolves around the topic of discovering / not discovering cruiser satellites in the ocean. They will unequivocally find out, even if before they accidentally lose. In addition, satellites are not the only RC channel, as was justly noted earlier. Zamvolt is also far from invisible, everything said about the signatures fully applies to him. It is quite another matter if there are no satellites, it will be difficult to find again if it gets lost in the ocean.

    About seismic sensors, crazy idea. Technically feasible, but organizationally not. Seismograms of trains will strongly depend on the filling of fuel tanks, the order of locomotives and wagons, speed, time of year, etc. For reliable selection across all branches, you need to arrange operators who take seismograms, identify trains, position sensors - and this is all in front of the trackers , drivers and just the local population. Rave.

    Another question is, how will reconnaissance happen if the satellites are blind / knocked down? This is quite a working scenario, judging by the number of anti-satellite complexes in China, the USA and the Russian Federation.
  25. dudinets
    dudinets April 1 2017 13: 41
    0
    Quote: guzik007
    Judging by Kaptsov, then the probability that during WW2, with those antediluvian means of detection, someone sank someone, tends to zero.

    1942 year. the fascist battleship Admiral Sheer almost reached Dickson along the Northern Sea Route, until he came across the Sibiryakov transport and was discovered.
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