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Klimkin spoke about why Ukraine should not abandon the Minsk process

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The Foreign Minister of Ukraine called an alternative to the Minsk agreements. His words were voiced against the background of frequent statements by individual politicians in Kiev, insisting on the need to “minimize Minsk”, since meetings in Belarus “cannot lead to a positive result for Ukraine due to the puppet Lukashenko to the Kremlin”. Recall that one of those who offered to abandon the negotiations in Minsk and stop any activity related to the implementation of the Minsk agreements is a parliamentarian of the VRU who organized terrorist acts to undermine power transmission lines in the Kherson region - Mr. Chubarov. It was he who called the president of Belarus "Kremlin puppet."


Klimkin spoke about why Ukraine should not abandon the Minsk process


Pavel Klimkin said that an alternative to the Minsk agreements can only be "freezing the conflict in the Donbass."

The statement of the Foreign Minister of Ukraine leads the website of the channel Interon which Klimkin spoke:
We all know that the Minsk agreements are obligations, including political obligations on the part of Russia ... We must make Russia follow at least fundamental steps. An alternative to “Minsk” is “freezing” and the further destabilization of Ukraine by Russia.


According to Klimkin, Ukraine needs to remember that the Minsk agreements "allow us to hold Western sanctions against Russia for failing to fulfill its obligations." Mr. Klimkin did not explain what obligations under the Minsk agreements were given directly by Russia and where exactly the document on the obligations of the Russian Federation was indicated. But he made it clear that Ukraine continues to be profitable to ignore the points of the agreements, in order to “transfer the arrows” to the Donbass and Russia.
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    1. Finches
      Finches 21 November 2016 06: 26
      +16
      Ukraine begins to orgasm from the global trend of lowering it into the cesspool! Trump in America, in France, Hollande has no chance, but the primaries win, the most likely president, as they say now, is the pro-Russian candidate Fillon, and on the other hand Le Pen stands ... Old Merkel remains, but there’s the same 50 to 50, and without the support of the United States, it does not help much ... And the GDP in the Kremlin, as it sat and sits! Klimkin, probably, just in case, rummaged in his chests and dug up his birth certificate - that he was Russian from Kursk ... laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 November 2016 08: 16
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        There was an old Merkel, but there is the same 50 to 50, and without the support of the United States, there is not much use for it.

        But Merkel will fly by. This time they will choose a peasant, the Germans, the "chancellor", have already eaten and will decide that the lot of the woman is three K. And the old woman will be sent to a nursing home.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 November 2016 14: 14
          0
          If only the next Fuhrer wouldn’t have bumped into our heads ... hi laughing
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 21 November 2016 11: 24
        +3
        Klimkin is late to drink Borjomi. Over the past two decades, a clear specialization in military-technical intelligence, possibly recruitment by German intelligence or NATO, acquaintance with Shaise Frau, has provided him with a native Russian his current position.
        Generally gives the impression of an executive dumb performer.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 November 2016 14: 13
          +2
          "Executive blunt performer", in your apt expression, loses against the background of Lavrov, which in itself brings us dividends! It seems to me that when he danced a hopak on an Amsterdam square in an embroidered shirt, agitating the Dutch to support Ukraine with the association, his absurdity, on the contrary, discouraged those who doubted from voting for an independent Eastern European tent! laughing
      3. ARES623
        ARES623 21 November 2016 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Klimkin, probably, just in case, rummaged in his chests and dug up his birth certificate - that he was Russian from Kursk ...

        And also a wig, lipstick and a dressing gown. smile
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 November 2016 14: 09
          +1
          Same as an option!
    2. victorsh
      victorsh 21 November 2016 06: 35
      +5
      Well, YOU are so. "The son is not responsible for the father" - but the parents MUST answer for the son !!! Unfortunately, we have "democratic" legislation.
      and this, and the rest of the TV-IY live quietly in ROSSII.A here is to send them to their sons-daughters and deprive them of pensions (as Ukraine does not feed pensions to "its" people in the LDNR) is a weak democracy.
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 21 November 2016 08: 33
        +2
        As always, Ukrainian leaders - in words, one thing, but in business is completely different. Destroy the long-suffering Donbass, destroy civilians Bandera bastards.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 November 2016 06: 13
    +6
    It's amazing how politicians get smarter quickly. From Obama, "Russia is a military superpower and you need to negotiate with it, to Klimkin," Misk is not bad. "And the reasons for the general wisdom? someone and the court.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 21 November 2016 07: 22
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      It's an amazing thing, how quickly politicians get smarter.

      Klimkin did not grow wiser - as he was a talking, ram's head, he remained. All of Russia is eager to force something to do there "within the framework of the Minsk agreements."
      to Klimkin "A bowl is not bad"

      For Ukrainians, of course, not bad, these agreements can be "implemented" indefinitely.
      1. hirurg
        hirurg 21 November 2016 08: 08
        +2
        as he was talking, lamb, head, and remained.
        He is far from the head. Above the belt would breed ...
  3. Knowing
    Knowing 21 November 2016 06: 14
    +5
    Here is my proposal - to launch a separate section on the site called "News from dill" ... repeat
    1. Knowing
      Knowing 21 November 2016 06: 46
      +4
      That's what I mean - in 2014, Merkel accused Putin of V.V. that he had lost touch with reality ... And who currently dwells in parallel reality, but ...
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 21 November 2016 06: 48
      +8
      We are all accustomed to the fact that Ukraine has always been a part of us, that even Khrushchev once did not think a single gram for some unknown unimportant purpose of fleeting gain, attributed Crimea to Ukraine. And these are exceptional taking advantage of the greed and stupidity of some, incl. Yanukovych, were able to tear away and turn Ukraine against us, with which we will never agree. That is why we talk a lot about her. If you create a rubric, then you should not call it "News from dill", but something like "From the life of the separated and incited"
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 21 November 2016 08: 17
      0
      And without this section every day we see posts on this topic.
    4. Cananecat
      Cananecat 21 November 2016 08: 32
      0
      This is not news from dill ... but the "military conflicts" thread.
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  4. Nix1986
    Nix1986 21 November 2016 06: 21
    +3
    Minsk, New York, Paris ... It makes no difference what they will be called if there is no single ruler on the part of Ukraine, in fact Poroshenko and other influential personalities are American puppets and, moreover, everyone still bends their line, Poroshenko has little influence on them as president . In general, Ukraine will have a very long process because it is beneficial for the West to have Ukraine as a permanent smoldering ember near Russia, which, if something happens, can be quickly inflated and as a constant factor in maintaining pressure against us in the form of various sanctions.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 November 2016 08: 24
      +2
      Quote: Nix1986
      In general, Ukraine will have a very long process, for the West benefits from having Ukraine as a permanent smoldering ember near Russia, which, if something happens, can be quickly inflated into a fire

      agree. But look ... the Poles have already begun to file claims for restitution. And you can be sure that they will win them (all the same as in Europe). True, the Banderaites will not like this very much (they will mainly be taken from them) and, mark my word, they will arrange the second Volyn massacre for the Poles. But Poland - a member of NATO, will demand to pacify the dissatisfied, and now NATO in Ukraine ....
      1. nnm
        nnm 21 November 2016 09: 12
        +1
        Until all parties have ratified the Association Agreement with the EU, restitution claims cannot be made. And no one will "select" - the cost of compensation from the budget will be determined. Although, not a fact - the same Baltic states are an example of this.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 21 November 2016 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: nnm
          Until all parties have ratified the association agreement with the EU, restitution claims cannot be filed.

          This you tell the Poles ....
          The Polish organization “Restitution of Kresov”, engaged in restoring the rights of Poles to property that turned out to be in Ukraine after World War II, has already collected 600 packages of documents for appeal to the court. This was reported to TASS by the head of the constituent committee of the organization Konrad Renkas.
          According to him, the first two lawsuits will soon be filed with Ukrainian courts - in Kiev and Lutsk. The organization also collected about 1,2 thousand more requests, which are still being tested and analyzed.
          Representatives of the “Restitution of the Crescent” organize information meetings throughout the country. They informed the residents of Lublin, Przemysl, Helm about their activities. On Monday, a meeting was held with the inhabitants of Wroclaw, events are planned in Krakow, Warsaw and Szczecin.
          According to Renkas, if Ukrainian courts try to evade the law, the organization will go to courts in Strasbourg and the United States.

          By the way, it has already been estimated that the cost of a rural farmstead with buildings and 3 hectares of land will cost 60 thousand bucks. Further, in some lawsuits they want to get property back, in others - the cash equivalent + for all years of use, somewhere lost profits .... oh and we will live!
          Threat. But it cannot be said that Crimea withdrew to Russia under the Ukrainian law on restitution? laughing
        2. Retvizan
          Retvizan 21 November 2016 12: 29
          0
          Quote: nnm
          Until all parties have ratified the association agreement with the EU, restitution claims cannot be filed.

          this is the first and second Moratorium. And it is extended.
      2. Nix1986
        Nix1986 21 November 2016 09: 16
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        It’s more important for Ukrainian politicians than ours, first of all, to fill up their wallet (Of course, it’s just not about Klitschko, probably there tomorrow :)), and only then if you are in the mood to take up the work and problems of the country. Therefore, he hopes that something will not change. All hope is only on external factors, only they are somehow capable of influencing the situation. And the internal ones ... well, even if Tymoshenko holds the Maidan again, then just her command will turn out to be at the helm, which also needs to be filled with pockets.
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik 21 November 2016 06: 27
    +7
    We must force Russia to carry out at least fundamental steps
    Please specify what Russia should do. Rewrite your constitution? Stop shelling civilians? Maybe it's better to send polite people right away? Right to you in Rada?
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 21 November 2016 08: 29
      +2
      EvgNik You carefully read the words of Mr. Klimkin, he is signaling to the West: it is impossible to do without anti-Russian sanctions. And you propose to send polite men. If you want to help them: give money, or even better, place a ratomor in the pie or a three-fold dose of "Slabilen" (as you like)
  6. izya top
    izya top 21 November 2016 06: 34
    +10
    We must force Russia
    belay what paulopinjacna
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 November 2016 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: izya top
      paulopinjacna

      Andrey, and the panties are dressed backwards. New fashion, or what?
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 November 2016 06: 37
    +2
    these are obligations, including political ones obligations from Russia ...

    Twenty five again. From empty to empty, but with the obligatory accusation of Russia. Honestly, for a long time already one kind of their faces is contorted without speaking about statements and statements.
  8. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 21 November 2016 06: 41
    +2
    A question about backfill - why was my comment deleted? ?? There was nothing but the truth! !! am am am am am
    1. avg-mgn
      avg-mgn 21 November 2016 06: 58
      +2
      Ukrainian hackers hacked IN!
      Introduce sanctions.
    2. Neputin
      Neputin 21 November 2016 08: 21
      +3
      Moders do not sleep. Some of mine also removed. Maybe they knocked where they should. Probably I will be offended and leave. The site is gradually turning into "news with Kiselev" and an alternative point of view, reasoned and logical, begins to irritate the organizers. Of course, they are trying to create the appearance of pluralism, so they removed the disadvantages, but this is only an appearance. It's a pity. The site was good.
      1. nnm
        nnm 21 November 2016 09: 15
        +1
        ... had fun in the morning))))) who needs you ?? !!!! ))))
        As he wrote, your supporter in his novel is "SDV" !!!!
        1. Neputin
          Neputin 21 November 2016 12: 03
          0
          Nothing fun here. If you think that the comment violates the rules of the site, officially warn or send to the "ban". And so they kept the comments for 2-3 weeks, and then they rubbed them quietly over the petty one - they probably won't notice, so that there is no spirit. And these comments, meanwhile, met with some support on the site (from +17 to +23). If they do this, then they are afraid of something, and you can only be afraid of one thing - the truth.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 21 November 2016 12: 14
            +1
            Quote: Neputin
            they kept comments for 2-3 weeks, and then rubbed quietly on a petty one - maybe they won’t notice ...

            - you have high self-esteem
            - to anyone but you, your comments are uninteresting enough to soar because of them
            - just the hands of the moderator reached the scheduled cleaning, so he swept the trash ...

            Yet simple request
            1. Neputin
              Neputin 23 November 2016 18: 01
              0
              - I have a normal self-esteem
              - And yours (and others too) are interesting to me for some reason. Maybe that's why we are different?
              - Maybe you think your comments are rubbish? I don’t count mine.
              - Well, in general, my friend, you are a boor.
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 21 November 2016 11: 26
      +1
      A question about backfill - why was my comment deleted? ?? There was nothing but the truth! !!

      These are the machinations of the SBU, these are their long arms, they got it ... lol Th ....
  9. Evil 55
    Evil 55 21 November 2016 07: 26
    +3
    What state are such and ministers with the surname "KlimKIN" ..
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 21 November 2016 12: 32
      0
      Born: December 25, 1967 (48 years old), Kursk, Russia (RSFSR). Education: Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology.
  10. Scud
    Scud 21 November 2016 08: 20
    +3
    Ukraine, through the efforts of the Ukrainians themselves, has turned into a dim ... southern territory. Every ruler is cursed at every step and then they choose even more frostbitten ones.
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 21 November 2016 12: 33
      0
      Quote: scud
      Ukraine, by the efforts of the Ukrainians themselves turned into a diminutive ... southern territory

      I do not think so.
      Quote: scud
      At every step, their rulers are cursed and right there they choose even more frostbitten ones.

      This is true, except that there is no alternative. Worse and worse, and no one knows who will be worse. A country of eternal elections.
  11. Zaval
    Zaval 21 November 2016 08: 31
    +3
    If you take the main sentence of Vladimir Putin from a speech at the UN: "Do you at least understand what you've done", and complement the winged impromptu of Lavrov: "Morons bl ..", it turns out exactly that complete thought that I associate with the Ukrainian government.
  12. evil partisan
    evil partisan 21 November 2016 08: 37
    +5
    Well, I can’t take this brow seriously! Well, at least kill! As I recall him in breeches, a sermyazhnoy shirt and golfs before the Dutch referendum - so immediately the memories of the distant 60s float when he went to kindergarten ....
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 21 November 2016 08: 44
      +1
      It’s high time to chant the baby! The origin of his wrong ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 21 November 2016 11: 28
        +2
        I would go to Kurgan, he would have lengthened his legs there, and he would have a completely different look. And so, kinsurprise, it would be better to be silent.
      2. Retvizan
        Retvizan 21 November 2016 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Jovanni
        It’s high time to chant the baby! The origin of his wrong ...

        "Here I decide who is a Jew in my headquarters .. * paraphrased, but the essence is the same)"

        On the topic - all parties interpret MD in their own way, read in their own way, see goals and objectives in their own way. The districts are one, Ukraine is different, the third is Russia, and the EU generally wants everyone to calm down and give an opportunity to solve everything.
        Since it is fundamental, some want Russia (or independence), while others want them without "people performing certain military functions" (or even reparations), and still others use them and others so that the buffer territory does not have the opportunity to leave entirely. Therefore, this business war continues. Under slogans under patriotism and other bravura words, people are corny killing each other for the interests of others (and this is not only the USA, the Russian Federation also needs this conflict and Ukraine and the Regions)
  13. jovanni
    jovanni 21 November 2016 08: 43
    +3
    "... since the meetings in Belarus" cannot lead to a positive result for Ukraine due to Lukashenko's puppetry to the Kremlin "..."

    So, so ... But what will the old man say to this? Maybe a hot love for Svidomity diminishes? ...
  14. Wolka
    Wolka 21 November 2016 09: 29
    +1
    yes, it’s scary to be the one condemned to death ...
  15. ARES623
    ARES623 21 November 2016 13: 06
    0
    You can’t give a damn about what Klimkin says. Although an extra page in the dossier must be written down, for memory. After the announcement in the USA of the electoral decision on the past election and the final formation of the Pres team. The United States will follow movements that demonstrate the real line of state behavior for the coming period, including, among other things, in the Ukrainian direction. And then you need to listen to what these people will sing about. Today is not the time ....
  16. Operator
    Operator 21 November 2016 13: 41
    0
    Ukraine in the 2014 year after Poroshenko took office as president recognized the jurisdiction of the UN International Criminal Court in The Hague over its territory (unlike the United States, Russia, China, India, Turkey, etc.) and filed a lawsuit recognizing militias. Donbass as war criminals .

    It is time to withdraw from the Minsk agreements, since the ICC has unequivocally stated that it will consider the conflict in the Donbas as a war crime on the part of the militias with their subsequent prosecution without statute of limitations.

    Based on the practice of the ICC, he ignores domestic decisions on amnesty for opponents of the state, such as those stipulated in the Minsk agreements.

    The only way out for Donbass militias is to realize the people's right to self-determination by creating an independent state in accordance with the UN Charter. After which it will not be subject to the jurisdiction of the ICC.
  17. rus-5819
    rus-5819 23 November 2016 19: 10
    0
    “They cannot lead to a positive result for Ukraine due to the puppet of Lukashenko to the Kremlin.”
    Interesting reaction "dad" when he finds out about it

    The statement by the Ukrainian Foreign Minister is quoted by the website of the Inter TV channel, on which Klimkin spoke
    We all know that the Minsk agreements are obligations, including political obligations on the part of Russia ... We must force Russia to carry out at least fundamental steps.


    Yes, it is not at the rank of the minister to read the letters (the text of the Minsk agreements), for that the clerk (the Lemur Islyamov) exists, and, as he reports, there is a demand for him ...
    The minister crowed, and there and do not dawn!

    "Freezing the conflict in the Donbass."
    Yes, you’ll not only become frozen in the Donbass, if only наш the president will not turn on "humanism" again! am