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Su-33, placed on "Admiral Kuznetsov", equipped with a subsystem that improves the accuracy of the bombing

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Deck Su-33, based on the cruiser "Admiral Kuznetsov", before going to the Mediterranean equipped with a computing subsystem SVP-24-33, which allows you to use bombs with the accuracy characteristic of guided munitions, reports Interfax message source in the defense complex.




"To date, a significant number of deck fighters based on the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov have been equipped with this equipment," said a source.

On Tuesday, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that “for the first time in stories Russian naval fleet in the fighting ... involved the aircraft carrier cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov. ”

“Today our Su-33 aircraft began working with this cruiser. Before that, we conducted very thorough, thorough intelligence on all targets. Based on this, the main ones are identified - these are warehouses with ammunition, congestions and mainly training centers for illegal armed groups, or to be more precise, terrorists, ”he said.

Later, the representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov said that the planes from the wing of the "Admiral Kuznetsov" had "destroyed a large gang formation of the group" Dzhabhat al-Nusra "(banned in the Russian Federation)".
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  1. OLD FART
    OLD FART 19 November 2016 09: 35
    +3
    This will confirm .... Run the hell, run ..!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 November 2016 09: 39
      +3
      For this system and newer FRAMES were found who can (more precisely no longer) confirm ..
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 19 November 2016 09: 41
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        For this system and newer FRAMES were found who can (more precisely no longer) confirm ..

        In hell, they will discuss the advantages of this or that system ... Allah Akbar is shorter!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 19 November 2016 09: 46
          +4
          By the way, an example of this Chechen confirms the danger of excessive chatter on a cell or satellite phone. Protect your health, people, life alone!
          Quote: STARPER
          Quote: 210ox
          For this system and newer FRAMES were found who can (more precisely no longer) confirm ..

          In hell, they will discuss the advantages of this or that system ... Allah Akbar is shorter!
          1. OLD FART
            OLD FART 19 November 2016 09: 51
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            By the way, an example of this Chechen confirms the danger of excessive chatter on a cell or satellite phone

            The main problem and task was to "calculate the signal", but it was not so easy and expensive, he was a cunning little devil and knew all our tricks .... But the effect was clear and then it started ..!
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 19 November 2016 10: 26
      +3
      Incidentally, the Air Force major general in the USSR bombed spirits in Afghanistan.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 19 November 2016 10: 27
        +1
        and as for the bearing of his companion, most likely just beautiful words, the informant worked trite, at that moment there was already an internal bickering.
        1. Vz.58
          Vz.58 19 November 2016 18: 07
          +2
          Nonsense! Subsystem SVP-24-33? Familiar by hearsay, really. Who is more competent than me, he is better known. This subsystem is rather good for bombing from low altitudes. And, here, from great heights, for uncontrolled AB, as it was and remained. What will happen if, in the event of a "crisis," the GLONASS and GPS systems are reconfigured or disabled. Maybe because of this, some bombs are already hitting hospitals.
          1. Su24
            Su24 21 November 2016 15: 27
            0
            Quote: Vz.58
            What will happen if in case of a "crisis" the GLONASS and GPS systems are reconfigured or disabled


            Therefore, reliability is increased for these systems. In general, "in the event of a crisis," the WTO stock will run out faster, so that the use of cast iron will continue.
      2. OLD FART
        OLD FART 19 November 2016 12: 05
        +2
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        Incidentally, the Air Force major general in the USSR bombed spirits in Afghanistan.

        I know, and that's the whole thing, he knew everything and was cunning .. Calculated yet!
        In general, there is a lot of blood on him ... EBN is a stupid politician, of course, but this "general" knew everything and used it in full against our boys and his own ... Allah is his judge!
  2. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 November 2016 09: 41
    +2
    [quote] [subsystem SVP-24-33, / quote]
    Yes, here everyone knows what is IT? Everyone has an engineering education. do they distinguish between parallel and serial inputs into the microprocessor, communicate in assembler, each has a quadrocopter, and a telescope on Mars, does the thermal imager lie around somewhere?
    Well, in other matters, a rating of FIVE!
    1. SSR
      SSR 19 November 2016 13: 38
      +1
      very good article about SVP-24, just lay out a reference. I reread it myself with great pleasure. )))
      By the way))) Western experts on farts pulled their hair up and tear .... when they realized that they were dropping a smart bomb with an expensive stuffing that every time these wild Russians put a smart system on a plane and dropping stupid bombs with the accuracy of smart . ))))
      http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/140026/
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2016 16: 06
        +3
        Quote: SSR
        very good article about SVP-24, just lay out a reference. I reread it myself with great pleasure.


        Here the phrases of Professor Preobrazhensky are just appropriate wassat
        1, Mr. Sivkov needs to be determined so all the same, the hydrometeorological situation "affects" or even the SVP does not depend on it wassat
        2. Well, about the combination of the purpose and location of the aircraft ... it's something ....
  3. 210ox
    210ox 19 November 2016 09: 42
    +1
    This system increases the accuracy of bombing with conventional, non-gliding bombs. This is just wonderful - we are always ready to ditch this "good" for the extremely dull ones ..
  4. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 19 November 2016 09: 43
    +12
    Specialized computing subsystem (SVP-24) analyzes data on the position of the aircraft and the target, atmospheric pressure, wind speed and direction, dozens of other parameters and gives the optimal point of bomb drop. The technology works so well that from a height of six kilometers, ammunition deviates from targets by four meters. 6000 meters - the working height of the Russian airborne air forces in Syria, inaccessible to portable anti-aircraft systems available to the militants of the Islamic State.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 19 November 2016 09: 46
      +4
      Thank you for the clarification. hi
      1. OLD FART
        OLD FART 19 November 2016 09: 53
        +4
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Thank you for the clarification. hi

        I join, I always wait for such explanations and read with interest ... hi
    2. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 19 November 2016 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Specialized computing subsystem (SVP-24) analyzes data on the position of the aircraft and the target, atmospheric pressure, wind speed and direction, dozens of other parameters and gives the optimal point of bomb drop. The technology works so well that from a height of six kilometers, ammunition deviates from targets by four meters. 6000 meters - the working height of the Russian airborne air forces in Syria, inaccessible to portable anti-aircraft systems available to the militants of the Islamic State.

      If the war in Syria with our participation drags on, it is possible that in the area of ​​our aviation there will be air defense missiles (possibly air defense missiles) that hit 6+ km.
    3. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 10: 24
      +3
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The technology works so well that from a height of six kilometers, ammunition deviates from targets by four meters


      Almost YES, that's just the height of the RESET at the same time .... ABSOLUTELY_ALLY ..Other wassat
    4. _Slavs
      _Slavs 19 November 2016 11: 30
      +3
      The most important thing is that the weight distribution (in flight! During maneuvers) of the sides is constantly taken into account - at different points gyro sensors tied to the glonas and according to their data the center of mass of the aircraft is calculated (it is different at different moments of flight!) And from these data the moments of forces acting on the blown off cargo. This is not only free-falling bombs, but even the work of a cannon, precision ammunition and unguided rockets (on the Mi-8, it seems, they also put the last ones fired). This parameter is one of the most significant for precision bombing. The bomb is affected by physics acquired from the side at the time of the drop, which is very difficult (mathematically! And these very formulas could not even be calculated earlier - it was done approximately according to experimental drops, since many were unknown at the moment, for example: 1 bomb from the right suspension was dropped - the board felt better on the right wing by 500 kg, the plane will change its position in space, "jump up", had a roll and it "slightly sausage" and then you need to throw a second bomb - and the slide will give its moment and the rotation will be added from the roll and all subsequent oscillations to keep the course and alignment) deflects the bomb from the aiming point. Pairwise reset is better, but here it will throw higher. And another cherry on the cake. With MiG-29 and Su-27, a glider diagram with an unstable center of mass complicating calculations - http://www.airbase.ru/hangar/planes/instability.h
      tm
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2016 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: _Slavs
        The most important thing is that the weight distribution (in flight! During maneuvers) of the board is constantly taken into account - gyroscopes attached to glonas at different points and the center of mass of the aircraft is combed out (it is different at different moments of flight!) And from these data the moments of force acting on cargo.

        Quote: _Slavs
        The most important thing is that the weight distribution (in flight! During maneuvers) of the board is constantly taken into account - gyroscopes attached to glonas at different points and the center of mass of the aircraft is combed out (it is different at different moments of flight!) And from these data the moments of force acting on cargo.

        Quote: _Slavs
        The most important thing is that the weight distribution (in flight! During maneuvers) of the board is constantly taken into account - gyroscopes attached to glonas at different points and the center of mass of the aircraft is combed out (it is different at different moments of flight!) And from these data the moments of force acting on cargo.


        Everything is confused in the ... "Oblonskys' house"? wassat
        To "what gyroscopes" do you .. "tie something to"?
        For all statically unstable aircraft, the ESDU and KSU are "engaged" in parrying any moments ... what "side" is it to Hephaestus?
        Probably about the Centering and Alignment machines .. haven't you heard? wassat
        "Throws" only after the reset, and then .. if .. "dropped" a lot wink
        And that there would be no such "lapses" is provided ..... ORDER OF UNLOADING ASP! soldier
        1. _Slavs
          _Slavs 19 November 2016 16: 32
          +1
          I wrote it on my fingers so that the student understood. Yes, I simplified 1 bomb and what will happen if another one immediately follows. And the ESDU will correct the hephaestus to the point of discharge, bringing the board to that point. Then to the next. And you rush in terms ... we all know something, the difficulties of translating into a simple language.

          500kg for flight is a little ... but for precise bombing it is a very large value - there will be a moment that will lead you away. The car reacts even with the deflection of the wing to the derailment and this is still a lot of moments. ESDU and KSU (automatic Alignment and Alignment they are) control what - hydraulics! What is the reaction time in these systems - after "slightly sausage" minutes until stability. Moving away from hydraulic systems to electric traction systems will dramatically increase the responsiveness of the devices (130 already without hydraulics, 5th - he has it as belonging to it, if not, then it does not correspond). Hefest imposes its corrections even before the flight is completely aligned, during oscillations, during pre-rotation, calculating the point (there may be many) of the release when the vectors of force application in the desired direction act on the dropped object. It was so intended, but what is the result. In the presence of hydraulics in the flight control loops, it does not allow you to accurately throw each of several bombs, for example, calculating one point of convergence to the target. .. ORDER OF UNLOADING ASP - without hydraulics and with gefest it will be indifferent. And now, while they are throwing two at a time, taking into account the UNLOADING ORDER, we make a double from the second run to the next target. Or, like Carcasses, aim the first point and dump the load with a dolly. For an industrial object with the correct entry, the very thing. And ideally, he dropped everything at once for different purposes in a minimum of time. For different buildings in the facility. Here hefest loses to the bombs with the Indus guidance and on the Papelats of the old ideology. For that, bombs are wildly cheap and there are a lot of them!

          "what gyroscopes" do you .. "bind something .." - and how do you determine the deviation from the current position in space. On the creak of the rivets? Gyroscopes are small now: a coil (maybe two) of thin optical fiber (2-4 km), a laser as an LED + a controller (1 ms) + a glonas receiver module (a match boat), or did you mean that gyroscope-piece of iron rotating at a tremendous speed in surrounded by complex 3D structures and selsyns. The data (from the ends of the wings, from the suspensions, from the keels and from the fuselage itself) from the position sensors goes to the Hefest computer, and then to the ESDU and KSU, bringing the board to the point of optimal discharge, and forgives the point according to the data from the sensors of the above + all others , height, wind profile to the surface - if you have questions about the wind google the word lidar). Weight distribution-calibration during takeoff occurs automatically, then the system works during the entire flight - it monitors the position of the center of mass. I tell in my own words, too lazy to blow links and pour in terms - many will not understand.
  5. ded100
    ded100 19 November 2016 09: 52
    +1
    Karachun Barmaley will come soon drinks !!
  6. askort154
    askort154 19 November 2016 09: 54
    +2
    SVP - 24. Specialized computing subsystem using GLONASS. The accuracy of hitting a target is 3-5 m. It can be installed on any type of aircraft and helicopters and use old-style bombs. Everything is done automatically. It can receive additional information from the A-50 (AWACS). Bombing from heights of more than 5 thousand m., Day, night, over clouds, etc. good
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 November 2016 10: 29
      +11
      Quote: askort154
      SVP - 24. Specialized computing subsystem using GLONASS. Accuracy of hitting a target - 3-5 m. It can be installed on any type of aircraft and helicopters and use old-style bombs. Everything is done automatically. It can receive additional information from the A-50 (AWACS). Bombing from heights of more than 5 thousand m., Day, night, over clouds, etc. good

      Lie.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 19 November 2016 11: 01
        +4
        I ask for argumentshi
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2016 11: 14
          +6
          Quote: dr.star75
          I ask for arguments


          And what to read the next koment (mine) .... so difficult?
          There, everything is practically stated in detail and .. given, as you say ... "arguments"! soldier
          We didn’t ask ourselves a question, why then all the "pigs" are thrown in series or in one gulp?
          After all, according to your logic (well, everyone who fellow ) any aircraft (equipped with SVP), we take the Tu-22M3 with its 12 bombs .. it must calmly hit as many as 12 targets, not one ... because a deviation of 3-5 meters (as you all claim) is guaranteed destroys the target .... so select 12 targets in sequence and ... one bomb at a time in each wassat
          The combat effectiveness will be SUPER !!!
          So .... you need to think a little before ...... fellow
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 19 November 2016 11: 46
            +2
            Well, firstly, I turned to another person.
            Secondly, I asked for evidence of the positioning error of the bombs dropped by our VKS, with an error of more than 5 meters.
            I did not ask to submit 12 bombed targets
            1. ancient
              ancient 19 November 2016 14: 06
              +2
              Quote: dr.star75
              Well, firstly, I turned to another person.
              Secondly, I asked for evidence of the positioning error of the bombs dropped by our VKS, with an error of more than 5 meters.
              I did not ask to submit 12 bombed targets


              1. Well, this is actually NONSES ... when the ANSWER to your question is in front of your eyes ..... "to ask it to another" person.
              2. YouTube to help you ... there is as much as you like and .... "any meters."
              3.It is a pity that they did not understand .... I VISIBLY showed you that .. "declared or voiced" 3-5 meters is only ... fellow and nothing more! soldier soldier
        2. Professor
          Professor 19 November 2016 12: 39
          +5
          Quote: dr.star75
          I ask for argumentshi

          In the 100-th time.
          1. The bomb is not perfect aerodynamic shape. Tolerance plus minus mom don't cry.
          2. The bomb differs from the bomb in mass.
          3. From the moment the command arrives from the computer, the reset to the actual reset of each bomb takes a different time.
          4. The wind gradient is not known throughout the fall of the bomb.

          Is that enough?

          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Comprehensive objection.

          Yes, how much can you refute nonsense?

          Quote: saturn.mmm
          You wanted to see the Su-33 take off with weapons, there was such an opportunity, and Kuznetsov doesn’t smoke, it preserves the environment in the Mediterranean Sea.

          Oh, you shouldn't have posted it. In vain. Are planes taking off to bomb militias with air-to-air missiles? But what about the bombs? Why not with them?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 19 November 2016 13: 21
            +1
            1. The bomb is not perfect aerodynamic shape - You can bet.
            2. The bomb differs from the bomb in mass. - a fact. I agree.
            3. The wind gradient is not known throughout the fall of the bomb.
            That's why I asked you for evidence of a real VKS error when aiming.
            1. Professor
              Professor 19 November 2016 15: 07
              +5
              Quote: dr.star75
              1. The bomb is not perfect aerodynamic shape - You can bet.

              Give it a try. I'll fill you up with a photo.

              Quote: dr.star75
              That's why I asked you for evidence of a real VKS error when aiming.

              The real thing is not "with an accuracy typical for guided munitions" and not "Accuracy of hitting a target - 3-5 m", but a couple of tens of meters.
          2. dr.star75
            dr.star75 19 November 2016 13: 44
            0
            You are a little confused. I did not write about the Kuzi air wing.
          3. _Slavs
            _Slavs 19 November 2016 16: 46
            +1
            And take a closer look at that bomb, the shape of the front part is not taken from the screw, the academician developed and received the Stalin Prize. She goes to the ground in subsonic. Parachutists are also for this. The pointed-nosed she is supersonic, this blunt-nosed. And polishing and accurately centering and even thinking about air flows are not necessary much! Under equal conditions, it outperforms a polished and balanced in accuracy hit percentage of 30-40. Not so simple in the world. Really professor?
          4. gispanec
            gispanec 19 November 2016 18: 51
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Are planes taking off to bomb militias with air-to-air missiles? But what about the bombs? Why not with them?

            it’s you called jabhat an nusra the opochitsy ???? .... now you are a real (for me) finished troll .... and all your attempts to prove something there are Urarian counter-propaganda .... you are not a good person, life is better for us not to intersect, even by accident ...... angry
          5. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 19 November 2016 19: 09
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Oh, nothing you posted it. In vain. Airplanes take off to bomb militias

            Where did I mention that planes take off to bomb militias? Once again, you somehow wondered why the Su-33s do not fly with weapons, I presented a picture of how they take off with weapons and take off easily, they don’t even sag away from the springboard.
            With bombs in the picture at Stasa157.
            If the Russians would have smeared, then the Americans would have presented evidence for a long time, and so there are a lot of statements and no one can provide evidence.
            1. Professor
              Professor 19 November 2016 19: 56
              +1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Where did I mention that planes take off to bomb militias? Once again, you somehow wondered why the Su-33s do not fly with weapons, I presented a picture of how they take off with weapons and take off easily, they don’t even sag away from the springboard.

              I have seen 4 air-to-air missiles before.

              Quote: saturn.mmm
              With bombs in the picture at Stasa157.

              Stands on deck. We're talking about "flies". request

              Quote: saturn.mmm
              If the Russians would have smeared, then the Americans would have presented evidence for a long time, and so there are a lot of statements and no one can provide evidence.

              Duc today introduced the State Department. Source WHO.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 20 November 2016 00: 07
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Duc today introduced the State Department. Source WHO.

                You have not watched the video.
                Quote: Professor
                Stands on deck. We're talking about "flies".

                Guys from nefig to make two halftone bombs hitched.
                Quote: Professor
                I have seen 4 air-to-air missiles before.

                The Su-33 has 12 suspension points, I dare to assume that this Kuznetsov’s campaign will open something new for you.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 20 November 2016 08: 40
                  0
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  You have not watched the video.

                  watched. The State Department presented evidence. Another is ridiculous. The Russian Air Force flew thousands and thousands of sorties. Tens of thousands of targets were destroyed, including in dense urban areas, but ... there were no casualties among the civilian population (according to the Russian Defense Ministry). fellow

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Guys from nefig to make two halftone bombs hitched.

                  Not because of nothing to do, but for the sake of learning. By the way, the plane returned to the deck without air-to-air missiles. request

                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  The Su-33 has 12 suspension points, I dare to assume that this Kuznetsov’s campaign will open something new for you.

                  I haven’t opened anything yet.
                  1. saturn.mmm
                    saturn.mmm 20 November 2016 10: 05
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    watched.

                    Probably inattentively watched, try again from 2.25 minutes. If you have other evidence, poke me in them with your nose.
                    Quote: Professor
                    Tens of thousands of targets were destroyed, including in dense urban areas, but ... there were no casualties among the civilian population (according to the Russian Defense Ministry).

                    I would like to look at this statement, I would also like to see how the operation to release Mosul is going on.
                    Quote: Professor
                    Not for nothing to do, but for training.

                    If you are studying for what purpose?
                    Quote: Professor
                    By the way, the plane returned to the deck without air-to-air missiles.

                    Probably drones that carry evidence to Kirby.
                    Quote: Professor
                    I haven’t opened anything yet.

                    I just assumed that open.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 20 November 2016 10: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      Probably inattentively watched, try again from 2.25 minutes. If you have other evidence, poke me in them with your nose.

                      WHO claims hospitals were bombed.
                      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-
                      syria-hospitals-idUSKBN13E096? il = 0

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      I would like to look at this statement, I would also like to see how the operation to release Mosul is going on.

                      Mosul has nothing to do with it.
                      The Russian Ministry of Defense has repeatedly denied allegations that civilians are dying as a result of Russian air strikes.

                      Read more at RBC:
                      http://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/03/2016/56fbc19e9a7
                      9474bf3543b51

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      If you are studying for what purpose?

                      That the crew would not relax and was busy. This is the first naval rule.

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      Probably drones that carry evidence to Kirby.

                      And in my opinion they are simply forbidden to land on a deck with ammunition on suspensions.

                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      I just assumed that open.

                      I will be glad.
                      1. saturn.mmm
                        saturn.mmm 20 November 2016 12: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-
                        syria-hospitals-idUSKBN13E096? il = 0

                        said Aleppo's health directorate in a statement sent to Reuters late on Friday by an opposition official.

                        I must believe this to some opposition official, even his name was not given, not seriously.
                        Then it says that all hospitals are destroyed afterwards that part works.
                        Sorry, but it looks like "dregs", not specified which ones, not specified when, maybe they were destroyed even during the time when the barmaley took Aleppo.
                        Medical sources, residents and rebels in eastern Aleppo say hospitals have been damaged by air strikes and helicopter barrel bombs in recent days, including direct hits on the buildings.

                        - Residents and rebels say ...
                        Quote: Professor
                        And in my opinion they are simply forbidden to land on a deck with ammunition on suspensions.

                        Maybe I do not have information on this.
                        Quote: Professor
                        I will be glad.

                        Well, maybe this will please you with something, from 45 seconds.
                  2. mav1971
                    mav1971 20 November 2016 15: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    By the way, the plane returned to the deck without air-to-air missiles. request


                    by the way. this is a very frightening situation.
                    He looked the same and was surprised.

                    If ours are also forced to drop the entire suspension before landing, then we repeat the history of shaving.
                    And we lose a bunch of unused weapons like UR BB.
                    And we have no chance of using suspended EW containers, target designation, etc.
                    For they are very expensive and lose them before each landing.
          6. Arameev
            Arameev 20 November 2016 01: 22
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            ... bomb the militias ....

            what nah ... r militias, "professor" !? I understand that political correctness is a contagious thing, but ... not to the same steppe.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 19 November 2016 11: 22
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Lie.

        Comprehensive objection.
        You wanted to see the Su-33 take off with weapons, there was such an opportunity, and Kuznetsov doesn’t smoke, it preserves the environment in the Mediterranean Sea.
      3. dr.star75
        dr.star75 19 November 2016 12: 03
        +1
        A man named "professor". Evidence7
      4. OLD FART
        OLD FART 19 November 2016 12: 15
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: askort154
        SVP - 24. Specialized computing subsystem using GLONASS. Accuracy of hitting a target - 3-5 m. It can be installed on any type of aircraft and helicopters and use old-style bombs. Everything is done automatically. It can receive additional information from the A-50 (AWACS). Bombing from heights of more than 5 thousand m., Day, night, over clouds, etc. good

        Lie.

        Well done professor, as always ..)))) Briefly and clearly ... All such systems are made in Israel! Otherwise, the Holocaust and lawsuits ..)))) bully
      5. _Slavs
        _Slavs 19 November 2016 12: 17
        +2
        And let Israel buy mountains of precision bombs (I’ll notice dear ones!) And create a GOLDEN STOCK. What if the states cease to sponsor your gesheft? Smart Bombs must be periodically changed (~ 5-10 years) or brain upgraded to them. And another professor - I’m directly tormented by the question: how much will it cost to intercept a packet (40 pcs.) Of a volley of simple hail by your non-expensive systems, and if a couple of divisions and from two directions shoot out in one gulp, how many shells will land at the destination ??? And if you put a little interference and run a couple of radar detectors to a noise? Will everyone be knocked down? The sacramental question ... money-red ... I have friends of doctors (they left for permanent residence and how all ranks became citizens) emigrated from Israel home to the Urals, having lived there for 25 years (they would have left before, but the youngest daughter would finish her studies Their impressions especially over the past few years are not ice: taxes (they will soon take the air), parking, insurance, medical treatment, etc. everything is up, and confidence in a good and peaceful life and in general life down.
      6. gispanec
        gispanec 19 November 2016 18: 47
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        Lie.

        purely the answer in Hebrew ... the main thing is to fart ... and to justify, you like to prove everything .... I'm waiting ....
    2. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 10: 40
      +7
      Quote: askort154
      Everything is done automatically.


      Sasha, it is clear that .. "advertising" and "urya" are our everything, but ... not to the same extent drinks
      A couple of leading questions:
      1. How is it "taken into account" .. "automatically" the excess or lowering of the target above the level (not the sea, of course), but relative to the drop point ... while also performing ... "free maneuver"?
      2. How are Q bombs taken into account, with a single caliber, and the weights ... are by no means the same.
      With the largest error value for B / M, this is just ... "not correct" Q (characteristic time of the bomb).
      3 All devices and systems that provide measured data in the SVP have certain technical tolerances soldier
      Then, how is it determined that the DISS readings are ideal, the RV is the same ..... without errors, the SHS ideally gives true and instrument speeds well, etc. etc.

      When not in automatic mode, then all errors are "calculated" when checking all systems tied to B, P. in the air ... but here, how ... when everything is ... "automatically"?

      And otvet the SIMPLE as the truth, yes, the SVP system allows you to aim with sufficient accuracy and ... "put" a.b. within the 1st V.O., that is, for the assessment "EXCELLENT", ie. 5 .... and then we decided .... and what was it about trifling ... let's write ... 5 meters ... well ... "she rushed along ..... bumps" soldier
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 19 November 2016 11: 39
        +6
        Salute uncle

        Well, you see who wrote the text (they are 0 in the subject)? We need articles for the layman about the miracle of weapons, he will understand

        and such problems (a hundred times said)

        - there is no (yet) the use of shipborne MIG-29KR (KUBR) high-precision munitions, at least with a television correlation seeker

        - and the main lack of laser-illuminated pods in the Navy Air Force, a clear identification of the target and its guidance, etc. - this is the main problem (look at the Sniper for example, many types of aircraft are equipped with them, including F-15, F-16, F / A-18, A-10, B-1B and B-52, inspect Lightning)

        even Kazakhs have Lightning-3 on their SU-27UBM2 (photo) - these are the armament nomenclature of the Kh-25ML at once. , X-29L, + laser-guided aerial bombs KAB-500L and KAB-1500L - beauty, our SU-30SM, M2,35S, SM3 only dream about it

        ps- but you can tell fables about the super system SVP-24 (and cut the budget), but why weakly upgrade the SU-33 and put there reconnaissance and target designation containers, huh? and use precision munitions and not that? but it's fantastic

      2. midshipman
        midshipman 19 November 2016 12: 24
        +4
        Dear Alexander, in 1988 this bombing system was worked out at a number of our research institutes at a training ground in Lithuania. Then, almost in Afghanistan, the Su-24 was bombed from 5 thousand meters with an error of 29 meters. This was published in the US press by many articles. All data is on ss firms and the aviation command of the Russian Aerospace Forces. I was a member of these workouts. I have the honor.
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2016 14: 42
          +6
          Quote: midshipman
          Dear Alexander, in 1988 this bombing system was worked out at a number of our research institutes at a training ground in Lithuania.


          Dear Yuri Grigorievich !!! Let me disagree with you, because. The "idea" with this method of bombing was "born" much earlier.
          Back in 1982, at the request of a high-ranking commander (and his request arose due to the fact that the spooks had already learned from their dum-dum guns not only to get on the plane while diving into the gorge, but also to the lantern area and ... .yself understand, let's go losses).
          Therefore, the idea "was born" to create a "navigation method b \ M" (in any conditions, day and night and from heights of 4-6 thousand meters).
          The system was tested by EMZ named after. Myasishcheva ... transferred to the State Research Institute of the Russian Federation, created a brigade for this "theme" (the materiel was T-6M, 52UB, T-8UB, later in 1984 they were already put on combat 52,54 and T-8).
          This system worked on the basis of RSDN (because at the moment it was the only accurate corrector for all our IIAs and ISs).
          Behind the river, this system has been launched since 1985 by deploying the "RSDN-10 mobile chain".
          Everything was in principle and .. nothing, except that when "working in the mode" b / m conditions should be the same as with "laser guidance" wink

          Hephaestus could not be 2-born "at that time, because he was" organized "only in 1992 and dealt EXCLUSIVELY with the means of the SOC (air and ground), but later the first version of Hephaestus was" born "and his first time .. "tested" in the Caucasus.
          Then ... a pause .... then they offered the Algerians at the MK ... they were very pleased and only due to this was defeated .. "Poghosyan's Gusar".
          I was a direct participant in these "tests" and ... applications soldier
          I have the honor soldier
          1. midshipman
            midshipman 20 November 2016 06: 22
            +2
            Dear Alexander, you are completely right. To use the RSDN "Tropic" (LNIRTI developer) I had to give instructions to create a special computer. Then the Skip receiver-indicator and the RSBN-6 equipment were compensated. I was then in charge of 6GU MRP of the USSR. These enterprises were subordinate to me. And then everything went as you corrected me. Thanks. I have the honor.
        2. _Slavs
          _Slavs 20 November 2016 00: 58
          0
          http://aerospace.boopidoo.com/philez/Su-15TM%20PI
          CTURES%20&%20DOCS/Overscan%27s%20guide%20to%20Rus
          sian% 20Military% 20Avionics.htm
      3. askort154
        askort154 19 November 2016 12: 28
        +1
        ancient ..... Sasha, it is clear that .. "advertising" and "urya" are our everything, but ... not to the same extent [/ quote]

        Sasha, mutually drinks
        In today's world, life is intertwined with advertisements and fakes. It is already difficult to understand where is the truth and where is the lie. You have to rely on your intuition and analysis. Trust is already a fantasy. As for the SVP-24 - in "automatic mode". This is a complex of automated ground and airborne equipment linked by a single special software. Where integrated information processing is implemented, taking into account all the factors affecting the accuracy of navigation, especially during maneuvering. Meteorological data and target coordinates are corrected until the start of the attack. Development began in 1999, tested in 2001. in Algeria (Su-24). Modified. And in 2004-05. used during the military exercises of the CIS countries "Rubezh", where they were convinced of its high efficiency. In 2008, the SVP-24 system was adopted by the RF Armed Forces. More details: (nnm.me/blogs/antiusa/voennaya-operaciya-V-sirii-
        dlya-rossii-obhoditsya-slishkom-deshevo /) For sale, for which I bought it! hi
        1. ancient
          ancient 19 November 2016 14: 48
          0
          Quote: askort154
          ancient ..... Sasha, it is clear that .. "advertising" and "urya" are our everything, but ... not to the same extent [/ quoteSell what I bought for! hi


          So yes .. I agree with everyone, but the question is how the system "automatically" determines "... whether this data is CORRECT or with an error ... for some reason they are silent.
          If there is an error in the DISS readings, then the "wind dacha" can be synchronized "while pre-checking the DISS operation according to the time base (when flying to .. or from ...) and the drift angle .. by stopping the antenna ... PB can be checked. . "the choice of S.O" ... (because the radar pulse power is much higher than the RV) .... but ... if in the machine, then everything is issued with an error and in fact you have a ground speed of 900 , and DISS gives out that it is 920 ... so .. "catch a specific .. UNDERFLOW" soldier
          Well, etc. drinks
      4. _Slavs
        _Slavs 19 November 2016 16: 55
        0
        Gyroscopes, lidars, glonas, intelligence itself at the very ground. Well, with a radius of 20m does not mean I lie down in a circle - they will fall into the area of ​​the circle! Something is possible and not one will fall into the center, an apple.
  7. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 19 November 2016 10: 01
    0
    "To date, a significant number of deck fighters based on the heavy aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov have been equipped with this equipment," said a source.

    Confusing in this phrase is the fact that a "significant" number is equipped with the SVP system ... Interesting ... Why not all?
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 10: 26
      +1
      Quote: evge-malyshev
      Interesting ... Why not all?


      Because ... did not have time! soldier
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 19 November 2016 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: evge-malyshev
      Confusing in this phrase is the fact that a "significant" number is equipped with the SVP system ... Interesting ... Why not all?

      Because, as I understand it, the MiG-29KUB is not equipped with Hephaestus. Migari can only work with expensive, high-precision on the ground. MiGs to aircraft carriers are mainly as fighters, and the Su - 33 acts as a strike aircraft. By the way, how many are there now at Kuznetsovo, like ten?
      Su-33 b \ n 67 with R-73 and 2xFAB-500 missiles in Syria
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 November 2016 10: 54
        +4
        On the contrary, a little. MiG can work with adjustable bombs, missiles, anti-ship missiles and more.

        33 only BV, NAR or cast iron.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 November 2016 11: 16
          +4
          Quote: donavi49
          On the contrary, a little. MiG can work with adjustable bombs, missiles, anti-ship missiles and more.

          33 only BV, NAR or cast iron.

          I agree. But judging by the work of our VKS in Syria, mostly cast iron, the use of the Su-33 with Hephaestus on the ground will be much more intense than the Migov with adjustable bombs.
      2. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2016 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: evge-malyshev
        Confusing in this phrase is the fact that a "significant" number is equipped with the SVP system ... Interesting ... Why not all?

        Because, as I understand it, the MiG-29KUB is not equipped with Hephaestus. Migari can only work with expensive, high-precision on the ground. MiGs to aircraft carriers are mainly as fighters, and the Su - 33 acts as a strike aircraft. By the way, how many are there now at Kuznetsovo, like ten?
        Su-33 b \ n 67 with R-73 and 2xFAB-500 missiles in Syria


        All MiG-29s since 9-12 ... CLEARLY worked on the ground with "pig-iron" and NARs soldier

        1. Stas157
          Stas157 19 November 2016 11: 50
          +3
          Quote: ancient
          All MiG-29s since 9-12 ... CLEARLY worked on the ground with "cast iron"

          After all, without SVP-24, is it unknowingly obtained?
          1. ancient
            ancient 19 November 2016 14: 50
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            Without SVP-24


            Yes, in principle, normal (no one complained wink ), but with SVP it’s naturally BETTER drinks
          2. _Slavs
            _Slavs 20 November 2016 10: 03
            0
            They have their own system integrated into the electronics of the board, but the principle is the same, you just can’t do it any other way.
    3. _Slavs
      _Slavs 20 November 2016 01: 08
      +1
      well 2 33 without hephaestus. Some have nothing to do, and have counted off the drying by numbers and badges. So what? Calm down - they are busy for their intended purpose - air defense, circles are cut into a circle of a cousin’s order.
  8. The point
    The point 19 November 2016 10: 27
    +3
    Regarding the stuffing of aircraft (avionics, weapons, etc.) I will not say anything, but the airframe and hydraulics repaired our factory. Technique will not fail.
  9. Professor
    Professor 19 November 2016 10: 28
    +7
    SVP-24-33, which allows the use of bombs with the accuracy characteristic of guided ammunition

    Lie. stop
    1. IGOR GORDEEV
      IGOR GORDEEV 19 November 2016 10: 40
      0
      Quote: Professor
      SVP-24-33, which allows the use of bombs with the accuracy characteristic of guided ammunition

      Lie. stop

      But you must admit, even if the accuracy is not the same as on guided munitions, but a little worse, then in the classic price-quality ratio SVP-24-33 can be no worse, or even better, than guided munitions: )
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2016 11: 20
        +1
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        Quote: Professor
        SVP-24-33, which allows the use of bombs with the accuracy characteristic of guided ammunition

        Lie. stop

        But you must admit, even if the accuracy is not the same as on guided munitions, but a little worse, then in the classic price-quality ratio SVP-24-33 can be no worse, or even better, than guided munitions: )


        The price is YES, but the quality is ...... UO is never COMPARABLE with BUT ... it's like with the Lada ... which NEVER become MERS! wassat
        1. user1212
          user1212 19 November 2016 20: 10
          0
          Quote: ancient
          then as with the Lada ... which NEVER become MERS!

          Process with a land mine and now there is no difference laughing
      2. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2016 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: IGOR GORDEEV
        But you must admit, even if the accuracy is not the same as on guided munitions, but a little worse, then in the classic price-quality ratio SVP-24-33 can be no worse, or even better, than guided munitions: )

        I do not agree. With SVP-24-33 is better than without it, but these are far from smart bombs.

        Quote: dvina71
        The drivers of these fuel trucks ... look at the Professor reproachfully ..

        And what is the connection with SVP-24-33?
        Quote: Stas157
        Does the actual use of Hephaestus prove nothing to you?

        Show us it. Real application.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 19 November 2016 14: 36
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          I do not agree. With SVP-24-33 is better than without it, but these are far from smart bombs.

          There is a Su-34 with smart bombs, each has its own tasks.
          The team of CJSC "GEFEST and T" are those guys who made automatic equipment for "Buran".
          1. ancient
            ancient 19 November 2016 16: 46
            +1
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            Quote: Professor
            I do not agree. With SVP-24-33 is better than without it, but these are far from smart bombs.

            There is a Su-34 with smart bombs, each has its own tasks.
            The team of CJSC "GEFEST and T" are those guys who made automatic equipment for "Buran".


            Absolutely true, only then they worked at the Experimental Machine-Building Plant named after V.M. Myasishchev and on its basis in 1992 and created ZAO "Gefest and T" and started with OK systems
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    2. dvina71
      dvina71 19 November 2016 10: 42
      +5
      The drivers of these fuel trucks ... look at the Professor reproachfully ..
      1. ancient
        ancient 19 November 2016 11: 24
        +1
        Quote: dvina71
        The drivers of these fuel trucks ... look at the Professor reproachfully ..


        If, even at a distance of 100-150 meters from the .. of the gasoline tanker "we put the OFAB ... the picture will be exactly the same soldier
        Or, for a clearer perception, you need to write about the goal in large letters "PETROL VOZ" soldier
        And where is your confidence that this is not a strike of the Su-34th CAB? Namely, a cast iron with Hephaestus wink wink
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 19 November 2016 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      Lie.

      Does the actual use of Hephaestus prove nothing to you? Life shows that the use of simple and cheap FABs with Hephaestus in Syria turns out to be much more effective than the American high-precision one. Russia with the help of soviet cast iron with SVP-24 has changed the balance of power in Syria, and the United States with high-precision only disperse weddings, but they go to hospitals! So, as one famous lady would say, everything is not so simple here!
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2016 11: 56
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Life shows that the use of simple and cheap fabs with Hephaestus in Syria in fact It turns out to be much more effective than the American high-precision.

        how do you know that?
        According to MO?
        So according to these reports, not a single civilian was killed from all the bombing in Syria.
        Although of course, because FABs are not
        Quote: Stas157
        The USA with high-precision only disperses weddings, but they get to hospitals!
        1. servant.
          servant. 19 November 2016 12: 00
          0
          You stop it! Point strikes 500mi! Hit very accurately ....
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 November 2016 12: 08
            +1
            Quote: serviceman.
            Point hits 500mi! Hit very accurately ....

            exactly what? wink
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 19 November 2016 13: 18
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              exactly what?

              Precisely enough.
            2. user1212
              user1212 19 November 2016 20: 00
              0
              Quote: atalef
              exactly what?

              Always at the center of the blast laughing
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 19 November 2016 19: 25
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          how do you know that?

          So I wrote! Russia has changed the balance of power in Syria, but the United States, with its precision weapons, is neither shaky nor sweeping. Questions?
        3. user1212
          user1212 19 November 2016 20: 03
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          So according to these reports, not a single civilian was killed from all the bombing in Syria.

          But where do we go before the Israeli Air Force ...
    4. _Slavs
      _Slavs 19 November 2016 12: 35
      +5
      Here are those nonsense, skis, where do you prisostrut professor from the promised land, the case of what? Europe already misses the balls and a lot - it will soon be a country of minarets, in this situation you will not be very happy, and with another (such as lipen) it seems too. Nakhalozhnaya will soon erect analogs of Dachau, how it will run away - Ukrainians will remember their old song about the main thing - well ... we are to blame for everything and will be the second ones ourselves - Muscovites.
      1. _Slavs
        _Slavs 19 November 2016 12: 42
        +2
        But among Jews in Tobish and in the Americans, the brains are not sharpened for something to be cheap and effective. Only expensive and can be effective (for your pocket)! It’s hard to get a lot of money from the cheap.
  10. sub307
    sub307 19 November 2016 10: 53
    0
    Well ... with a start, so to speak. It remains to "develop" this topic in our Navy.
  11. Barakuda
    Barakuda 19 November 2016 11: 01
    +3
    Well, here you can not do without an Israeli traitor "professor".
    Mustachioed, well-fed. Broadcast further. And wait for the insidious Palestinian, and himself grown.
    1. _Slavs
      _Slavs 20 November 2016 03: 07
      0
      Palestinians are original Jews by blood and place of residence, but Islamized after the capture of Jerusalem by the Arabs. Genetically basic (80-90%) part of the Israelis who consider themselves Jews are not, they are the ancestors of the Khazars, and this is now the Ukrainian Black Sea coast and our Crimea. Khazar kingdom from 6-7 centuries A.D. professed Judaism and writing was appropriate, near Sevastopol the remains of the Khazar city-state. There is a cemetery there now, some of the slabs are a thousand years old - all with letters and the stars of David. The Khazars were militant, cruel people, attacked Russia and accordingly paid in the 11th century (Napoleon, Hitler and the ancestors of the "Jews" were beaten in one row of great victories, but this is all about Ukrainians - Kievan Rus, after all). Prince Oleg Khazarov defeated (though somewhere near Voronezh) and finished off to the very Kym Peninsula. There WAS NO more Khazar kingdom, but there were several Khazar city-states in Crimea somewhere before the 16th century, with the arrival of the Turks (Crimean Tatars) in the Crimea, the cities were abandoned, in general, pseudo Jews dispersed around the world for five centuries. Professor, this is not my speculation - it was your scientists who wanted to prove your connection with the Promised Land and hoped for an example with the Palestinians, but somehow it turned out crookedly. But this study (where the roots of the Hebrew gene) were honestly published in 2012 or 2013. Yasser Arafat's smile floated above all this. I have always doubted, looking at his classic Jewish face, whether the Arabs had stolen a Jewish girl (as gypsies steal children of other races for their dark deeds)? That's how I wrote an excursion into history! The professor got everyone here and in all other blogs, there are too many of you in the internet space - a whole troll brigade! So I troll you a little. ..Here we are Jews smarter than all of you. Calm down - yes, you are not Jews, but your Khazar ancestors. The raids of professors-trolls, dog-sacks and hohlotrols, something so similar and sometimes even synchronous. Only some are evil and leaping, cursed in all the sins of the Muscovites, while other solid professors, according to the ancient Khazar habit, mutter: we are Jews smarter than all of you, and Israel on the mountain is higher than yours and all shines. Dogsacks on chains around the leg of the Statue of Liberty run, lick its heel in turn, and at the same time manage to sprinkle all the blogs on the Internet.
  12. Rustam
    Rustam 19 November 2016 11: 19
    +4
    Quote: STARPER
    This will confirm .... Run the hell, run ..!


    What are you talking about? Dudaev’s defeat in 96 happened as a result of hitting with precision weapons, namely the X-25 missile with a laser seeker! How does the SVP-24 system relate to this allowing more accurately (as they say) to shoot ordinary free-falling bombs?

    PS- yes, people continue to live in their invented (pink) world winked
    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 11: 28
      +3
      Quote: Rustam
      Quote: STARPER
      This will confirm .... Run the hell, run ..!


      What are you talking about? Dudaev’s defeat in 96 happened as a result of hitting with precision weapons, namely the X-25 missile with a laser seeker! How does the SVP-24 system relate to this allowing more accurately (as they say) to shoot ordinary free-falling bombs?

      PS- yes, people continue to live in their invented (pink) world winked


      Rustam ... "urya" is in trend now .. without him ... nowhere wassat wassat
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 19 November 2016 19: 51
        +3
        Quote: ancient

        Rustam ... "urya" is in trend now .. without him ... nowhere wassat wassat


        "Urya" is not in trend - "Urya" is paid for with money.
        When they didn’t pay (as far back as 4-5 years ago) - there were no goofs on the sites.
        You can see the old branches yourself.

        It's just that the so-called "urya-patriots" are the corrupt traitors of our fatherland.
        Not the slightest knowledge in military affairs.
        Some slogans and slogans.
        A purely Western method of writing texts "according to scripts" issued in advance.
        on command "run over" and on command "disappear".
        In general, traitors.
  13. RASKAT
    RASKAT 19 November 2016 12: 15
    +4
    By the way, a few days ago, 33 SUs got bombed

    I racked my brains, why so sure? Really I thought the SVP was standing on them, now I’m convinced.
    1. Petio
      Petio 19 November 2016 13: 24
      +7
      Of course SVP-24-not the WTO, but a good compromise allowing relatively inexpensive approximation of the use of cast irons with them is a good solution for Russia, which has a few WTOs in warehouses but a lot of cast irons and the budget is not rubber
    2. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: RASKAT
      I racked my brains, why so sure? Really I thought the SVP was standing on them, now I’m convinced.

      Quote: RASKAT
      I racked my brains, why so sure? Really I thought the SVP was standing on them, now I’m convinced.

      Quote: RASKAT
      I racked my brains, why so sure? Really I thought the SVP was standing on them, now I’m convinced.

      It could have been ... more precisely, but ... for SPV and cast iron just right.
      And if you look closely, then .. with each goal ... worse and worse soldier ,those. about any 3-5 meters of speech and does not go close .. especially for goals 2,3.4 soldier
      1. RASKAT
        RASKAT 19 November 2016 15: 10
        0
        It could have been ... more precisely, but ... for SPV and cast iron just right.
        And if you look closely, then .. for every purpose ... it’s worse and worse soldier, i.e. about any 3-5 meters of speech and not coming close .. especially for the goals of 2,3.4 soldier

        We don’t know until the end why I was spending one bomb on a target, maybe it was the same plane or until the planes were overloaded. I would spend in their place from 2's to 4's on the target, or did a couple of calls. Although all the hits are a few meters from the target, it is unlikely that someone was left there alive. Yes, and in those days they confirmed the death of several field commanders in that area, maybe it was the SU-33 that worked?
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 20 November 2016 21: 39
        +2
        On the video - continuous misses.
  14. Victorio
    Victorio 19 November 2016 15: 04
    0
    here and test the system in business

    Quote: ancient

    [more precisely, then ... with each goal ... worse and worse soldier ,those. about any 3-5 meters of speech and does not go close .. especially for goals 2,3.4 soldier


    ) hit should be in the center of the structure?

    1. ancient
      ancient 19 November 2016 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Victorio
      here and test the system in business

      Quote: ancient

      [more precisely, then ... with each goal ... worse and worse soldier ,those. about any 3-5 meters of speech and does not go close .. especially for goals 2,3.4 soldier


      ) hit should be in the center of the structure?


      Looking at the "character" of the target and the type of TSA! soldier
    2. _Slavs
      _Slavs 20 November 2016 10: 16
      0
      Armageddon will come if superficial fuses begin to be used in large numbers, they have already taken into service. In general, for that house it is better to have two, and so that synchronously behind the house and in front - there would remain only a handful of rubble.
  15. mav1971
    mav1971 19 November 2016 19: 46
    +3
    Quote: STARPER

    In hell, they will discuss the advantages of this or that system ... Allah Akbar is shorter!


    Couch fighter, are you here again?
    Unrealistically scary "stooped special forces of the Internet" ...
  16. Samarin
    Samarin 19 November 2016 20: 15
    0
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    The team of CJSC "GEFEST and T" are those guys who made automatic equipment for "Buran".

    well, the sofa professor is smarter than "these guys" of course
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 19 November 2016 22: 48
      +3
      Quote: Samarin
      Quote: saturn.mmm
      The team of CJSC "GEFEST and T" are those guys who made automatic equipment for "Buran".

      well, the sofa professor is smarter than "these guys" of course


      Well, you would read Professor’s posts over the past few years. Maybe they found out what he does in the Israeli defense industry ... :)
    2. Rustam
      Rustam 20 November 2016 15: 39
      0
      Of course smarter, served in the IDF
  17. Samarin
    Samarin 19 November 2016 20: 19
    0
    Quote: mav1971
    It's just that the so-called "urya-patriots" are the corrupt traitors of our fatherland.
    Not the slightest knowledge in military affairs.

    Shoot them!
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 19 November 2016 22: 47
      +1
      Quote: Samarin
      Quote: mav1971
      It's just that the so-called "urya-patriots" are the corrupt traitors of our fatherland.
      Not the slightest knowledge in military affairs.

      Shoot them!

      1. Bath Rumbets
        Bath Rumbets 20 November 2016 02: 15
        0
        Do not send them where you yourself do not sit
  18. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 20 November 2016 02: 12
    0
    Calm guys, we’re not twitching :)
  19. Neputin
    Neputin 20 November 2016 02: 27
    0
    Something our "God's chosen friends" fussed about unhealthy. They haven't been heard for a long time. I do not presume to argue about the accuracy of bombing with the use of this system. not an expert (probably better all the same than to shoot a cast iron into the white light), but I can assume:
    1. Given the unhealthy activity of the chosen ones, they are trolls.
    2. It would not hurt to recall how Israel is killing "peaceful people" in Palestine while fighting terrorists (although I support Israel in the fight against terror)
    3. Judging by the activity and friendliness of the "friends" abuse, the system is probably good.
  20. Professor
    Professor 20 November 2016 12: 36
    +2
    The functionality of the site just rolls over. angry

    Quote: saturn.mmm
    I must believe this to some opposition official, even his name was not given, not seriously.
    Then it says that all hospitals are destroyed afterwards that part works.
    Sorry, but it looks like "dregs", not specified which ones, not specified when, maybe they were destroyed even during the time when the barmaley took Aleppo.

    This was officially announced by the Turkish branch of WHO. Show photos of the hospital?

    Quote: saturn.mmm
    - Residents and rebels say ...

    The fact of the defeat of hospitals is undeniable.

    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Well, maybe this will please you with something, from 45 seconds.

    Not pleased. I did not see on the taking off bombs. But the shooting of the Bastion is valid. They launch very beautifully. good
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 21 November 2016 14: 12
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      This was officially announced by the Turkish branch of WHO. Show photos of the hospital?

      Nobody argues about the WHO statement about hospitals, it was about 5 hospitals, only the WHO statement did not accuse Russia and Kirby dragged Russia as a culprit, to which the journalist asked for evidence that he did not provide.
      What photos will you show me? Broken hospital? So before Russia there was a war for four years, and the Belgians all sorts of flying, and now any barmale will poke in the direction of Russia, "the opposition is a pancake" was found.
      The photo as "opposition" of the head cuts your neighbors to the Egyptians, an indisputable fact.
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        Professor 21 November 2016 15: 51
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        Nobody argues about the WHO statement about hospitals, it was about 5 hospitals, only the WHO statement did not accuse Russia and Kirby dragged Russia as a culprit, to which the journalist asked for evidence that he did not provide.

        WHO said hospitals were bombed. The United States stated that only Russia and / or Syria bombed there. Both of these statements are undeniable.

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        What photos will you show me? Broken hospital? So before Russia there was a war for four years, and the Belgians all sorts of flying, and now any barmale will poke in the direction of Russia, "the opposition is a pancake" was found.

        Aleppo bombed only two countries. The rest do not fly so close to the base in Ltakia.

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        The photo as "opposition" of the head cuts your neighbors to the Egyptians, an indisputable fact.

        You are not right. This is Libya, although the Christians are Egyptian.
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          saturn.mmm 21 November 2016 16: 40
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          You are not right. This is Libya.

          I did not indicate the belonging of the "opposition" country. What in Libya, what in Syria and Iraq is all of the same berry, or the Western coalition called them terrorists in Libya?
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          Only two countries bomb Aleppo; the rest do not fly so close to the base in Ltakia

          Who bombed the Hassadzhek? Belgians? No, of course they were Russian F-16s.
          And who is Mosul Bombbit? What is happening in Mosul? There is no information anywhere? Then it turns out that Russia bombed the hospital there too. In the place of the Russians, I would quietly do my work and not listen to anyone, I would blather less.
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            Professor 21 November 2016 19: 40
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            I did not indicate the belonging of the "opposition" country. What in Libya, what in Syria and Iraq is all of the same berry, or the Western coalition called them terrorists in Libya?

            They are terrorists and terrorists in Africa.

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            Who bombed the Hassadzhek? Belgians? No, of course they were Russian F-16s.
            And who is Mosul Bombbit? What is happening in Mosul? There is no information anywhere? Then it turns out that Russia bombed the hospital there too. In the place of the Russians, I would quietly do my work and not listen to anyone, I would blather less.

            And what does this have to do with bombed hospitals in Aleppo? request
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              saturn.mmm 22 November 2016 07: 23
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              And what does this have to do with bombed hospitals in Aleppo?

              And where is Hassadzhek?
              And what does Russia have to do with bombed hospitals in Aleppo? Just your assumption, referring only to the fact that last year Russian aviation flew there, but before that, US aviation flew there for two years.
              You are worried about Aleppo and Mosul, I just can not help myself.
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                Professor 22 November 2016 08: 31
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                And where is Hassadzhek?

                In Syria. No hospitals were bombed there.

                Quote: saturn.mmm
                And what does Russia have to do with bombed hospitals in Aleppo? Just your assumption, referring only to the fact that last year Russian aviation flew there, but before that, US aviation flew there for two years.

                Two countries are bombing there: Russia and Syria. Who exactly bombed the hospital is not known. The fact of the bombing on the face. It was from this that the conversation began. Is not it?

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                You are worried about Aleppo and Mosul, I just can not help myself.

                I do not care about Aleppo and Monsul.
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                  saturn.mmm 22 November 2016 17: 45
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                  Two countries are bombing there: Russia and Syria. Who exactly bombed the hospital is not known. The fact of the bombing on the face. It was from this that the conversation began. Is not it?

                  Do not you know that the American coalition periodically makes airstrikes on Aleppo?
                  The conversation began with a charge of Kirby.
                  On September 10, 2012, in the Kurra Ardiya quarter, near the city stadium and two hospitals (Al-Hayat and Al-Markaziy), a minibus with a ton of explosives exploded. As a result, 27 civilians were killed and 64 were injured, the buildings of two hospitals, as well as schools and neighboring residential buildings were destroyed.

                  On October 3, 2012, in the city center, in the business district near Saadullah al-Jabiri and Bab Jenin squares, three car bombs were blown up, and another was blown up near the municipal palace and the Bab Amir hotel. As a result, at least 40 people died, over 100 were injured, the facades of many buildings were damaged, and fires broke out. The Jabhat al-Nusra group claimed responsibility for the terrorist attack.

                  January 17, 2013 there was a terrorist attack in the north-eastern part of Aleppo, on the territory of the university student complex. The explosion killed 80 and injured about 150 people, the walls of three floors of one of the university dormitories collapsed, and the building of the Faculty of Fine Arts and Architecture was significantly damaged.

                  On May 8, 2014, militants blew up the Carlton Hotel in central Aleppo. The explosives were laid in a tunnel under the building. Damaged and collapsed old buildings in the entire area adjacent to the hotel. Killed more than 50 people.
                  Quote: Professor
                  I do not care about Aleppo and Monsul.

                  There is no court.
                  Aleppo in the spring of 2013.
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                    Professor 22 November 2016 19: 55
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                    The conversation began with a charge of Kirby.

                    Accused the two countries of the bombing of Aleppo. Russia and Syria. who bombed he did not say. And he is right by the way.

                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    There is no court.

                    All the best to you. hi
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                      saturn.mmm 22 November 2016 23: 34
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                      All the best to you.

                      And to you and to all the people of Israel all the best.