Tokyo wants to make friends with Moscow

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Tokyo wants to make friends with MoscowFinancial strangulation, thrown sanctions two years ago on the Russian economy, may weaken. The Japanese government allowed, and according to the local press, even "asked" private banks to begin active investments in Russia. This happened on the eve of Vladimir Putin’s visit to the Land of the Rising Sun and amid talks about the imminent compromise of the two countries on the Kuril Islands.

ECONOMY - IN PRIORITY



Japanese authorities intend to develop economic cooperation with Russia, despite the lack of progress in resolving the territorial dispute over the Kuril Islands, writes Japan Times, citing sources.

It is reported that this is the "new approach" to bilateral relations, which became known after the May meeting of the leaders of Japan and Russia, Shinzo Abe and Vladimir Putin in Sochi. According to sources, specific areas of cooperation were discussed at the meeting between Abe and Putin at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok. "We see that our previous policy has not brought progress in territorial negotiations, so we must change our way of thinking," said a source in the Japanese government.

Among eight points of bilateral cooperation in the development of the Far East, the publication calls for technical assistance to Russia in increasing production capacities in the oil and gas sector, as well as the development of medical centers with the introduction of advanced technologies. It is assumed that part of the program will be implemented in the second half of 2016. Tokyo hopes to gain Moscow’s confidence in this way, however, according to some experts, economic cooperation does not guarantee progress in resolving a territorial dispute. Earlier, Abe announced his intention to meet with Putin in his native Yamaguchi Prefecture, in the south-west of the main Japanese island of Honshu.

HISTORY QUESTION

The territorial dispute is connected with Japan’s claim to the southern Kuril Islands, Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai. Previously, the two countries were hampered by the Russian-American confrontation in the bipolar world and the unresolved issue with part of the islands on the Kuril ridge. But in order to occupy a worthy place in a multipolar world, Japan must develop and strengthen relations especially with neighboring Russia. In September, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Vladivostok, 2016. The meeting resulted in a brief but succinct phrase by a Japanese politician: “With President Putin, we were able to fully discuss the peace treaty. I felt a response. ”

In the political center of Tokyo - Nagatyo began to actively discuss the possibility of the early return of the four islands. Now everyone is waiting for the November Russian-Japanese meeting to be held during the APEC summit in Peru, after which Vladimir Putin will visit the prefecture of Yamaguchi, the small homeland of the Japanese prime minister. On the eve of these meetings, Japanese media reported that Russia could return the two islands of the ridge. But these rumors are more likely to harm the negotiations of the parties, because a return without any problems is hardly possible.

Experts find the following way out: Russia has to confirm in writing that the four islands belong to Japan on the basis of the Simodsk Treaty, but will still own them. In this case, Japanese diplomacy can save face.

In a situation of confrontation with the West, Russia has great chances to gain a foothold in the Asia-Pacific region through Siberia and the Far East, where 12 priority development zones have already been created. China is actively working in this region, creating the New Silk Road through Central Asia and the Middle East to Europe and the waterway from the South China Sea, the Indian Ocean, the Arabian Sea through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean Sea.

Russia wants to make Siberia the main link between the Pacific Ocean and Europe. In addition, Russia is actively developing the Northern Sea Route, and a program of free “Far Eastern hectares” for Russian citizens has been launched in the Far East.

The Japanese side offered Moscow a plan for economic cooperation from the 8 points, while Moscow has a plan in place for the 49 points. Among them are energy projects, the development of agriculture. Russian business is awaiting the arrival of Japanese enterprises in the Russian market.

Regarding the extension of the Trans-Siberian Railway, Japan has extensive experience in the development of Hokkaido and Manchuria in a short time. To continue the Trans-Siberian Railway, you only need to build a tunnel under the Tatar Strait (about 7 km) and a bridge between Sakhalin and Wakkanai (about 42 km). For Russia, this is the central project of cooperation with Japan, the implementation of which will significantly change the entire region.

DISCUSSION OF SOVIET DIPLOMACY

The refusal of the Soviet delegation to sign a peace treaty with Japan at a conference in San Francisco, along with representatives of other allied states, showed, as the further course of events showed, a political miscalculation that was very annoying for the Soviet Union. The absence of a peace treaty between the Soviet Union and Japan has come to contradict the national interests of both parties. That is why four years after the events at the San Francisco conference, the governments of both sides expressed a desire and readiness to come into contact with each other to find ways of formally settling their relations and concluding a bilateral peace treaty. This goal was pursued, as initially seemed, by both sides at the Soviet-Japanese talks in London in June 1955 of the year, held at the level of ambassadors.

However, as it turned out during these negotiations, the main task of the then Japanese government was to use the interest of the Soviet Union in normalizing relations with Japan to bargain for territorial concessions from Moscow. It is noteworthy that by the beginning of the talks in London in the Japanese parliament 26 in May 1955, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the country Shigemitsu Memori made a statement and unexpectedly announced that Japan intends to seek further return of southern Sakhalin and all the Kuril Islands to it.

In 1956, intensive bilateral negotiations took place between the two countries. The Soviet side agreed to cede the two islands of Shikotan and Habomai to Japan and at the same time offered to sign a peace treaty with Japan. The Japanese side was inclined to accept such a Soviet proposal. However, in September 1956, the United States sent a sharp note to the Japanese government, stating that if Japan abandons its claims to Kunashir and Iturup and is satisfied with only two islands, the United States will not give Ryukyu Island to Japan, where the main island is Okinawa. Thus, American intervention in the negotiation process and the signing of agreements played a fatal role: Japan refused to sign a peace treaty on our terms. A subsequent 1960 security agreement between the United States and Japan made the transfer of the islands of Shikotan and Habomai to Japan impossible. It’s clear that our country couldn’t give the islands under the American bases, just as it could not be bound by any obligations to Japan on the issue of the Kuriles.

One of the reasons that prompted Japanese diplomacy to demand the return of the South Kuriles to their control was the Japanese’s understanding of the exceptional strategic importance of the Kuril Islands: the one who owns the islands actually holds the keys to the gates leading from the Pacific Ocean to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The prospect of further finding these keys in the possession of the Soviet Union or now Russia was clearly not pleased with the Japanese ruling circles.

By putting forward territorial demands on the Soviet Union, as well as on Russia now, the Japanese ruling circles were thus hoping to revive nationalist sentiments that had been extinct after Japan’s military defeat and surrender to Japan. Tokyo sought to use national revanchist slogans to rally these sections of the population under its ideological control, thereby weakening the ranks of opponents of the government in the face of anti-war democratic organizations.

Platform for aggression

The role of the Kuril Islands and their importance manifested themselves during the Second World War. It was on Iturup Island that the Japanese formed a strike carrier formation to attack the United States and defeat the American fleet at Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941. It was in Hitokappu Bay (now Kasatka Bay) where six Japanese aircraft carriers underwent the last training for several weeks. The naval base at Iturup was well covered from the air, and there was a huge airfield there. He later received the name "Petrel". Subsequently, until the year 1993, our 387th fighter aviation regiment was based at this airfield.

The North Kuril Islands were used by the Japanese in 1942 – 1944 as a base for attacking the Aleutian Islands. However, the Americans with great effort managed to oust the Japanese from the Aleutian Islands captured by them. It is characteristic that for the first time the plan to capture the Kuril Islands was considered by the US government in August 1942 of the year. However, after the release of the island of Attu from Japan in May 1943, both the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the American press began a heated debate on the seizure of the Kuril Islands and further movement from them to the South to Japan itself.

“Camping in Tokyo on the Steps of the Kuril Islands” has become a brand among American journalists. The phrase "from Paramushir to Tokyo is only 2 thousand km" hypnotized the American layman. The commander of the Western Group of Forces, Lieutenant General John L. Devitt, presented to the Chief of the KNS his plan of operation. DeWitt proposed attacking the Kuril Islands in the spring of 1944 with the aim of creating a base for further advancement in the direction of Hokkaido and Honshu. The plan of attack on the Japanese islands did not remain on paper. Since the spring of 1943, the American aviation launched a massive bombardment of the Kuril Islands. The most powerful attacks were carried out on the northern islands of Shumshu and Paramushir. It was reported that in just one day of the bombing of Paramushir, seven American bombers landed on the Kamchatka Peninsula. All American planes landed on the territory of the USSR (in the Far East) were interned, due to which, in 1946, in our country, A.N. Tupolev created their "flying fortress" Tu-4.

During the war, the Japanese seriously feared the American invasion of the Kuriles. As a result, the number of Japanese troops on the islands increased from 5 thousand people at the beginning of 1943 year to 27 thousand at the end of the year, and by the summer of 1944 year it was brought to 60 thousand. Only on Shumshu island the number of Japanese garrison was more than 15 thousand people. All this, despite the greater complexity of the delivery of troops and supplies - a storm, American aircraft and submarines.

RETURN YOURSELF

It is curious that even 18 in November 1940 of the year by the Commissar for Foreign Affairs Vyacheslav Molotov suggested that the Japanese hand over to the USSR all the Kuril Islands in exchange for signing a non-aggression pact. In turn, 29 in November 1943, the US President Franklin Roosevelt, during the Tehran Conference, expressed his readiness to seize the Northern Kuriles to improve communications with Vladivostok. Therefore, he invited Stalin to take part in this action, acting together with the American armed forces. Stalin left the direct answer, but later hinted to Roosevelt that South Sakhalin and the Kuriles should become Russian territory, as this would give the Soviet Union access to the Pacific Ocean and the possibility of a more reliable defense of the Soviet Far East.

During 1944, Stalin repeated the Soviet political conditions twice, on which the USSR would agree to go to war against Japan - 14 of October in an interview with General John Dean, the head of the US military mission in Moscow, and December 13 at a meeting with the envoy of President Averell Harriman. Stalin told Harriman that all the Kuril Islands should be returned to Russia, justifying this claim by the fact that they belonged to Russia before. Finally, the fate of the Kurils decided in two minutes in Yalta at a closed session of February 8 1945. Stalin began the conversation by combining the Kurils and South Sakhalin into one whole: "I just want to return to Russia what the Japanese took from her." Roosevelt readily agreed with this: “A very reasonable proposal of our ally. Russians only want to return what was taken from them. ” After that, the conference participants proceeded to discuss other issues.

Tokyo remained completely unaware of the Soviet-American negotiations. The Japanese were frantically searching for diplomatic moves in order to at least secure the neutrality of the USSR and, at the most, to persuade Stalin to become an arbiter in the peace negotiations with the United States and Britain. As early as September 1944, the Minister for Foreign Affairs, Sigemitsu Mamoru, prepared a draft, on which, in particular, it was planned to cede the Central and Northern Kurile Islands to the Soviet Union. In August – September 1945, the Soviet paratroopers occupied all the Kuril Islands.

2 September 1945, Stalin addressed the citizens of the USSR: “The defeat of the Russian troops in 1904, during the Russo-Japanese War, left heavy memories in the minds of the people. It lay on our country a black spot. Our people believed and waited for the day when Japan would be broken and the stain would be eliminated. For forty years we, the people of the older generation, have been waiting for this day. And this day has come. Japan today declared itself defeated and signed an act of unconditional surrender. This means that South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands will withdraw to the Soviet Union, and from now on they will serve not as a means of separating the Soviet Union from the ocean and the base of the Japanese attack on our Far East, but as a means of direct communication of the Soviet Union with the Japanese aggression. In September 1945, President Harry Truman proposed to Stalin to create an American aviation and naval base on one of the Kuril Islands. Stalin agreed, but on the condition of creating a similar Soviet base on one of the Aleutian Islands. Further, the White House did not raise this topic.

STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE FOR RUSSIA

For the consideration of the issue of the Kuril Islands, an important moment is the fact of the existence of a bilateral treaty between the United States and Japan on military cooperation and partnership in the Asia-Pacific region. According to the Russian military-political leadership, the presence of the Kuril Ridge islands in our country, and first of all the four southern islands of the Kuril archipelago, is extremely important for permanent control over the entry and exit of Russian warships into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. As well as control over the release of Russian surface and submarine ships into the Pacific. The straits between these islands are located on the shortest routes from the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to the Pacific Ocean in the air and the sea. In our reasoning, it should also be borne in mind that in Soviet times in the Far East we had about 900 combat aircraft, up to 60 large ships and 90 multi-purpose submarines (of which more than 40 are nuclear). Another 800 combat aircraft located in areas bordering with China. There were up to half a million troops, over 20 thousand units of armored vehicles and about 15 thousand artillery guns and mortars. If this is not enough for some reason, then one division and an air regiment on the Kuril Islands will not help either.

Essential importance should also be given to the economic argumentation of the presence of the Kuril Ridge and the southern islands of the archipelago in our country. The overall assessment of mineral resources at world prices here is at least about 44,05 billion dollars. There are gold, silver, zinc, copper, lead, iron, titanium, vanadium, agates, sulfur. According to Russian estimates, the area between the Malaya Kuril Ridge and Shikotan and Kunashir gives 10% of the total fish catch. 1,2 mln. Tons of fish are harvested here annually, while all Baltic countries catch 340 thousand tons. According to other estimates, these figures are respectively equal to 1,5 million and 350 thousand tons. For Russia, the transfer of the four islands of Japan will result in a decrease of more than a third in the amount of fishing in the entire Far East. In monetary terms, this amount is not less than 2 billion dollars.

As for any concessions to the Japanese claims on the part of the Russian leadership, under the balance of political forces prevailing in the Kremlin and outside its walls, they become even less likely than in previous years (Mikhail Gorbachev and then Boris Yeltsin were in power). The further the Japanese side persisted in its territorial harassment, the colder the atmosphere at the Japanese-Russian negotiations became and the positions of both sides deteriorated and became more severe. This period was also marked by the increasing frequency of conflicts in the sea waters washing the Southern Kuriles, conflicts during which for more than five years (from 1994) there were repeated unceremonious invasions of the Japanese poachers into the Russian territorial waters, where they met with armed resistance from border guards discovering fire on trespassers.

As the events of the last decade have shown, the territorial dispute between the two parties has almost reached a deep impasse and no one can see the way out of this impasse. The Japanese side did not intend to abandon their unreasonable territorial claims. Since the onset of this problem, the demand for the return of the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin to Japan has practically become a state policy and an unchanged foreign policy course in the programs of any government headed by any representative from any ruling party. Therefore, none of the Japanese government or political figures was able to take such a step, which is fraught for any Japanese politician with an immediate political death. In this regard, it would be unjustified naivety to search among Japanese politicians or Japanese diplomats for such a brave man who would decide to confront with Japanese society and give up at least one position in the general list of Japan’s territorial claims to Russia. The very system of education and training of Japanese politicians or diplomats is inflexible, firm and passive in execution and slow in implementation. It traditionally has an anti-Russian orientation and a “hard” confidence that any demands of the Japanese towards its northern neighbor may sooner or later find a positive solution for the Japanese side. Negotiations and the subsequent conclusion of peace treaties with Russia in 1855 and 1875 and 1905, as well as the conclusion of agreements at the end of hostilities with Japan in Mongolia in 1937 – 1938 show evidence of such political diplomacy of Japan’s persistence.

DO NOT RELAX

The erroneous approach of some Russian political figures is their euphoric confidence that in order to improve Japanese-Russian relations and obtain Japan’s consent to go the way of investing huge financial resources in Russian business in the Far East, Japan needs to make territorial concessions. In their opinion, such a move by Russia will allegedly open up access to Japanese technologies in the electronic and manufacturing industries and in a number of other areas of advanced Japanese science for Russian businesses. Therefore, some Russian politicians believe that negotiations with Japan should be conducted not from a position of strength and perseverance of upholding Russian territorial integrity, but from positions of concessions and consistently putting forward at the talks the next proposals of a political and economic nature that will soften Japanese territorial demands and speed up the resolution of the issue of peace agreement with Japan. Among a number of Russian politicians one can also find such politicians who believe that after concluding a peace treaty with Japan and after giving up the South Kuriles to them the abundant money rains will start to spill and that the Japanese side immediately favors our country with large investments and soft loans , and scientific and technical information. Such mistakes were mainly committed by our diplomacy in Gorbachev and especially in the Yeltsin period. At the same time, it was forgotten (and some people are still forgetting) that the economic policy of the Japanese government is actually determined not so much by the willful decisions of ministers and diplomats, but by the wishes of all-powerful business leaders.

A characteristic moment of recent times is that the world community does not show significant interest in the systematic negotiations between Russia and Japan on the issue of the territorial dispute over the Kuril Islands and South Sakhalin. For example, assessing the theoretical possibilities of Japan to receive at least two islands from Russia, representatives of the G20 summit, held in Toronto (Canada) in July 2010, concluded that in order to obtain at least two southern islands from Russia The Kuril ridge Japan has rather shaky legal positions. Because there are many reasons to assert that no distinction was made between the Northern and Southern Tishima (Kuriles). If Japan applies to the International Court of Justice or a similar international legal body, then it is likely that it may be awarded the rights to Shikotan and Habomai, which Russia, under certain circumstances, was ready to give. Moreover, the potential political and economic benefits that Russia will receive from resolving the dispute are minimal. There are many other reasons why Russia does not want to fulfill the requirements of Japan and give up all the islands. Therefore, the main obstacle to resolving the dispute is Japan’s unwillingness to compromise on how vast the territories Russia must return. But the current Japanese government is weak and has to cope with more pressing issues, such as the problem of relations with the United States and China. Consequently, a change of course in the territorial dispute between Japan and Russia is unlikely.
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  1. +13
    19 November 2016 15: 07
    Japan wants to grab a dozen Kuril Islands from Russia, but Japan does not know how to make friends! The whole history of Japan is the attack of Japan on its neighbors! The Kuril Islands are strategic and have valuable resources, so Russia should not give them away! I will regard the transfer of the Kuril Islands of Japan as treason!
    1. +1
      19 November 2016 15: 49
      We need to be more pragmatic, you have all the reactors outdated in Japan, let us set up our nuclear power plants for you. And what about the gas pipeline from Sakhalin to Japan, there is only 80km. And then when they sit tight on our energy sources, I assure you they will forget about the islands.

      Something like this.
      It is simply a fantastic lever of influence in skilled hands.
      1. +2
        19 November 2016 16: 04
        These will not be forgotten and Japan cannot be friends.
      2. +7
        19 November 2016 16: 07
        Do not forget. They have been hammered since childhood that we captured these islands, they have a national idea to return them. And most importantly, we dropped bombs on them! So let them graze near Fukushima and kiss the liberators from America.
      3. +1
        19 November 2016 17: 20
        Quote: RASKAT
        And then when they sit tight on our energy sources, I assure you they will forget about the islands.

        The Japanese government allowed, and according to the local press, it even “asked” private banks to start active investments in Russia.
        The Japanese will not forget about the islands. They decided to come in from the other side. Perhaps they want to hook Russia on a financial needle, using the current situation. The Japanese are cunning, and the bureaucrats are greedy, and they did not shoot the fifth column and did not transplant them on time. No matter how the story about glass beads turns out again. And in general, exaggerating the topic of exaggeration of the Kuril Islands, such as agree, make friends. I do not like it.
      4. +3
        19 November 2016 18: 02
        Something I do not see pragmatism in relation to Ukraine .. Only one thing - ".. because there are people there too .." Vladimir Putin .. And here pragmatism breaks down on the special relationship between Japan and the United States. In no case make territorial concessions even for a tunnel and a bridge ..
        Quote: RASKAT
        We need to be more pragmatic, you have all the reactors outdated in Japan, let us set up our nuclear power plants for you. And what about the gas pipeline from Sakhalin to Japan, there is only 80km. And then when they sit tight on our energy sources, I assure you they will forget about the islands.

        Something like this.
        It is simply a fantastic lever of influence in skilled hands.
        1. 0
          19 November 2016 19: 01
          Then the Russians who brainwashed, imagined damn themselves great Ukrainians, but they can still be corrected. And there are Japanese on whom we do not care, as for me the difference is enormous.
          1. 0
            20 November 2016 14: 27
            Ukrainians are not Russian, and for a long time already, this is a cross between Poles, Austrians, Khazars, Hungarians, Romanians, Litvin, Germans
            Tsev, Mongols and Russian and very poisonous, judging by Russophobia which rushing from them.
            1. 0
              20 November 2016 14: 41
              Ukrainians are not Russian, and for a long time already, this is a cross between Poles, Austrians, Khazars, Hungarians, Romanians, Litvin, Germans
              Tsev, Mongols and Russian and very poisonous, judging by Russophobia which rushing from them.

              And then who are the Russians? whose cross with whose?
              My ancestors told me how, at the beginning of the last century, people were forcibly written to the Ukrainians and created a nation, then people had a deep surprise (like who we are). This is about how now to take residents for example in the Rostov Region and write them all as Rostovites and create a new nation out of them, come up with their past (necessarily great), add a couple of letters to the alphabet, invent new words. And in years 50-70 when the witnesses to this absurdity die, no one will have any doubt that this is a separate nation from the Russians.
              Utter nonsense say.
              1. 0
                20 November 2016 17: 54
                The Russians are Russians, and the Ukrainians forcibly recorded not everyone in a row, but Don Cossacks in the Donbass. This is how the Bolsheviks fought with the Russian Don Cossacks. They and Donbass surrendered to the occupation of the Austro-Hungarian and Polish Ukraine!
      5. 0
        19 November 2016 18: 31
        Amazing passages "turn off the gas", and then we will be able to argue with the potheads who is more dishonest among us, or as Americans - "we are withdrawing from the agreement, we do not like it." First you have to respect yourself. It is easy to become a prostitute, it is more difficult to maintain your good name. IMHO.
    2. +4
      19 November 2016 16: 30
      Quote: Phosgene
      I will regard the transfer of the Kuril Islands of Japan as treason!

      It depends on who will transmit. If bad boyars, then treason. If a good Tsar, then an awesome chess move, as part of an awesome Tricky Plan. am
      1. +1
        19 November 2016 18: 04
        If this awesome move happens, people will not understand Putin, or he will have to make every effort to prepare the public for this.
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Phosgene
        I will regard the transfer of the Kuril Islands of Japan as treason!

        It depends on who will transmit. If bad boyars, then treason. If a good Tsar, then an awesome chess move, as part of an awesome Tricky Plan. am
        1. +2
          19 November 2016 18: 39
          Quote: 210ox
          - people don’t understand Putin,

          So what? They did not understand with Serdyukov, with the WTO, with the Donbass, with the Turks, with the forgiveness of loans to everyone, they do not understand why he holds Medvedev, and the rating is like that of an African leader.
          will have to make every effort to prepare the public for this.
          Kissel TV and publicity is warmed up. Soloviev and a team of clowns (Zhirik, Zheleznyak, Yarovaya from the "patriots", Nadezhdin, Stankevich from the liberals, Karasev from the Bandera) - almost all of the honorificity is FOR. Old people polish in the internet. Done.
        2. 0
          20 November 2016 14: 28
          In 1917 both the tsar and the boyars answered, so that they wouldn’t infuriate the people ...
    3. 0
      19 November 2016 18: 20
      If these islands are native Russian, then how do they even want to return them to themselves.
    4. 0
      20 November 2016 04: 57
      Russia has no dispute about the Kuril Islands. Japan has it. How much can you already grind water in a mortar?
      1. 0
        20 November 2016 14: 29
        This will be until Moscow clearly says that it is not going to discuss the ownership of the islands, and even more so to give them away.
  2. +1
    19 November 2016 15: 30
    How can one not understand him. Vodka, keep the caviar for yourself, and for us "Kemsk Volost" (and how is oppetite swallowing depicted while on the keyboard?)
  3. +5
    19 November 2016 15: 44
    The Japanese are trying to jump on the step of the departing train. From the proposed "friendship" of Russia, only losses. request Let the Amer military bases of Russia be handed over! Then we will make friends. hi
  4. +5
    19 November 2016 15: 56
    The Kuril Islands are our islands and we do not No. we trade!
  5. +1
    19 November 2016 16: 21
    Russia must confirm in writing that the four islands belong to Japan on the basis of the Shimodsk Treaty

    But the trouble is (for Japan), according to the results of the Second World War, all these islands went to the USSR, and now to Russia as the successor. So there is nothing to cast a shadow on the wattle fence, the question is closed once and for all.
  6. +2
    19 November 2016 16: 22
    the Japanese are Japanese !! under amers sit and do not buzz !! no islands and a point !!!
  7. +3
    19 November 2016 17: 00
    For the past two years, the topic of the Kuril Islands has regularly surfaced in our media. And the tone of many publications - we must agree. Diplomats and dignitaries on both sides are courting each other. And also, we must agree. So many years did not have to. and suddenly impatient. What is it for? It seems to me that the cross-eyed partners have promised something. The question is how to maintain a patriotic face. We will find out soon.
    1. +1
      19 November 2016 17: 09
      Quote: Karabin
      It seems to me that the cross-eyed partners have promised something. The question is how to maintain a patriotic face. We will find out soon

      Quote: S. Ozhegov, Dictionary of the Russian Language, Moscow: State Publishing House of Foreign and National Dictionaries, 1952-1961 (second to fifth editions)
      Pessimism ... is a gloomy outlook in which a person is inclined to see evil, unpleasant in everything
      1. +2
        19 November 2016 17: 22
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Pessimism ... is a gloomy attitude

        A pessimist, this is an informed realist.
        1. +3
          19 November 2016 17: 39
          Quote: novobranets
          A pessimist, this is an informed realist.

          - with all due respect, you crossed one definition with one joke:

          Quote: Definition
          A pessimist is well informed optimist

          Quote: Anecdote
          An optimist teaches English, a pessimist teaches Chinese, and realist - Kalashnikov assault rifle

          That's about how Yes
          1. +2
            19 November 2016 17: 41
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            You messed up one definition

            Well, okay. feel
          2. +1
            19 November 2016 20: 59
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            You crossed one definition with one joke:

            Anecdote: Pessimist: "Not worth it!"
            Optimist: "But how it hangs!" laughing
      2. +2
        19 November 2016 18: 01
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Pessimism ... there is a gloomy

        The pessimist will be pleased to accept the failure of his grim fears regarding the transfer of the Kuril Islands with one sauce or another. And how will the rainbow optimist take the opposite? Would you consider the glass half full again?
        1. 0
          19 November 2016 21: 22
          Quote: Karabin
          The pessimist will be pleased to accept the failure of his grim fears regarding the transfer of the Kuril Islands in a sauce

          - IMHO now we are still much farther from such a "fagot" than under Bor the Pianitsa, no?

          Quote: Karabin
          And how will the rainbow optimist take the opposite? Would you consider the glass half full again?

          - this is not for me, please. I consider myself ... a realist, here laughing
          1. +1
            19 November 2016 22: 23
            Fu how
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            under Bora Pianice

            this is bad form. In the best houses, it is now customary to plunder the Motherland for talking about scrapes, spirituality, sovereignty and high state interests
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I consider myself ... a realist,

            Everything is relative tongue
            1. 0
              19 November 2016 22: 44
              Quote: Karabin
              this is bad form. In the best houses, it is now customary to plunder the Motherland for talking about scrapes, spirituality, sovereignty and high state interests

              - ahem ... IMHO you make only one, but a fatal mistake: you think that all "elita" is homogeneous
              - yes, most of the "broke through to the top" - thieves and
              - a slightly smaller part of them is also idiot, in addition to the above
              - at the same time, each "elite-forming" has its own selfish interests, partially coinciding with the interests of the same "elite-forming"
              - groups are formed according to the principle of coincidence of interests in the "elite". By interests, yes laughing
              - these groups (attention!) compete with each other
              - all this does not prevent (and partly even helps) the same GDP (not to be confused with GDP at PPP) to steer this whole herd so that quite right things happen in the country (I anticipate objections. Let's, if you like, just not on emotions, but somehow more ... specifically)
              - on the principle of "sho may, then may"

              Quote: Karabin
              Quote: Cat Man Null

              I consider myself ... a realist,

              Everything is relative

              - naturally ...
              - but my point of view allows me to see what you persistently do not see
              - that's why I ventured to remind you of the definition of "pessimist"

              That's about as Yes
  8. +1
    19 November 2016 17: 01
    Zhirinovsky correctly said: only hakamanda can be given to them, let them own it from all sides.
  9. +1
    19 November 2016 17: 23
    First, the Japs need to establish sovereignty over their own country, and then have such conversations.
    1. +1
      20 November 2016 08: 23
      Quote: TOR2
      First, the Japs need to establish sovereignty over their own country,

      Totally agree with you. In the light of the latest realities, a US military base may appear on any island, but do we need this? hi
  10. 0
    19 November 2016 17: 26
    Japan should develop and strengthen relations with Russia, did not read further and give away the four islands so clearly and you will be happy. DO NOT WANT ANYTHING ANYTHING.
  11. 0
    19 November 2016 17: 46
    the article is a wonderful author, well, just done, so reveal the full depth and something inspired by the USSR, as we miss it, I will probably go and cry.
  12. 0
    19 November 2016 18: 16
    Here comrade sRaskat suggests appeasing the Japanese, putting them on the oil needle. In my opinion, this is akin to what some politicians are proposing: "to negotiate from a position of concessions and consistently presenting the next x proposals of a political and economic nature at the talks." To put it simply, betrayal: our ancestors said "stupidity is worse than stealing."
    I am convinced that politicians who combine to make concessions hope to get "the kids get the milk."
    It's something like this: the swindler is lying to you, and you propose: "take another ring and earrings, or maybe even spread your legs"? The answer should be simple: "go ka dear to ... distant relatives" and instead of the islands, a fig on paid oil!
  13. 0
    19 November 2016 18: 19
    Quote: GenAlS
    Zhirinovsky correctly said: only hakamanda can be given to them, let them own it from all sides.

    The original proposal, but I'm afraid the Japs will not satisfy: "Who is interested in the old vobla?
  14. 0
    19 November 2016 18: 46
    A funny situation - the occupied Japanese want to be friends with the enemy of the occupier, while the occupier did not give permission for friendship. What if our Japanese "partners" got stoned into a snag.
  15. 0
    19 November 2016 18: 53
    The samurai have completely lost their shores. GDP clearly said - Russia DOES NOT TRADE in territories! am
    The Sea of ​​Okhotsk will remain OUR INLAND Sea, and the rhenium deposit at Iturup will remain OUR deposit.
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      20 November 2016 08: 28
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      and the rhenium deposit at Iturup is OUR deposit.
      good There is such a rare earth theme. And the idea that somewhere on the islands, or near them is hidden the gold of the Japanese emperors, is also there. hi
  16. +1
    19 November 2016 19: 13
    As our old teacher said (in the 70s): "No islands can be given to Japan because of the possible loss of passage in these straits to our warships in case of a" theater of war "with Japan!
  17. 0
    19 November 2016 23: 45
    Experts find the following way out: Russia has to confirm in writing that the four islands belong to Japan on the basis of the Simodsk Treaty, but will still own them. In this case, Japanese diplomacy can save face.
    What is it like? Maybe I do not understand, but if Russia confirms that the islands are Japanese, but continues to own them? Some kind of stupidity. What is it called in international law?
  18. 0
    19 November 2016 23: 48
    Quote: St. Propulsion
    A funny situation - the occupied Japanese want to be friends with the enemy of the occupier, while the occupier did not give permission for friendship. What if our Japanese "partners" got stoned into a snag.

    Have you seen the photo for the article? Three Japanese are in favor of friendship, and five police officers are standing side by side to quickly "fix" this friendship.
  19. 0
    21 November 2016 00: 37
    Nichrome they will not work. They were offered friendship at 49 m. They began to curry favor and continue to this day, the flag in their hands !!!

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