Turkish Defense Ministry is looking for a contractor for the production of tank Altay

Soon, the Turkish defense industry, which had no previous experience in creating tanks, will begin mass production of the domestic first-born - the Altay tank, reports MIC with reference to warspot.ru.

By the end of the year, the Ministry of Defense of Turkey should decide on a contractor who will start production of the first batch.

Recall, the car is named in honor of General Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who commanded the 5 Cavalry Corps during the war for the independence of Turkey in 1919 – 1923.

The development was ordered by the military in 2007 g, and in 2011 the first prototype of the tank was born. During its development, "the Otokar company closely cooperated with the South Korean Hyundai Rotem, which had previously created the K-2 Black Panther - one of the most high-tech tanks in the world," writes the resource.

It is noted that "according to unofficial data, 60% of new technologies used in the K-2 Black Panther were borrowed from the development of the Turkish tank."

The Ministry of Defense plans to purchase a thousand tanks in four series of 250 units. Production of the first series should be launched in 2017 g. The expected cost of a single production machine is $ 5,5 million.

Resource Help: “The mass of the Altay is 65 t, the speed is up to 70 km / h, the power reserve is 500 km. The length of the tank - 7,3 m (with a tool - 10,3 m), width - 3,9 m, height - 2,6 m. Crew - 4 person: commander, gunner, loader and driver. The main armament is 120-mm smoothbore gun (ammunition - 57 shells), auxiliary - remote-controlled module with machine guns caliber 12,7 or 7,62 mm, or 40-mm automatic grenade launcher. One of the key features of the tank is the AKKOR active protection system. ”

Comments

[OLD FART]

We would leave NATO, we would put our own to them ... Now the fashion for Russian weapons, etc.! Think Turks ... Now it is better to be friends with us, then it will be too late ..

[NEXUS]

Quote: STARPER

We would leave NATO, we would put our own to them ... Now the fashion for Russian weapons, etc.! Think Turks ... Now it is better to be friends with us, then it will be too late ..

The Turks have never been good "friends" to us ... I'm not talking about the number of wars with them. So do not have any illusions.
As for the "fashion for our weapon", then the question of price and quality.
We'll gain a foothold in the Middle East, our very T-90s will be bought by the same Turkish neighbors in good quantities, as well as the same SU-30s.
As for Altai ... it’s so clear that-

previously had no experience in creating tanks

and therefore, I think, he is not a competitor even to our T-90, while the expected cost of one tank will be 5,5 million US dollars, while the T-90S, for example, was delivered to India at a price of 2,5 million dollars, and Turkmenistan , 2,6 million dollars.

[OLD FART]

Quote: NEXUS

The Turks have never been good "friends" to us ... I'm not talking about the number of wars with them. So do not have any illusions.

Yes, no one feeds ... It is better not to turn your back on them, but you need to control!
Erdogan, then "darling" calmed down ... And then remember how he fluffed his feathers, almost a war did not work out with Russia (to the delight of the West) ... He apologized, bowed and most importantly shut up! Let him know his place ...

[KaPToC]

Quote: STARPER

Let him know his place ...

correct the halo

[CAMS]

Erdogan, that our zhirik, that is, hell knows what, let him build tanks. What is not fun for the guys at the factories that pay wages, alas, the crisis. It is necessary to consolidate the people (there is such a word), In our country it turns out

[Alex_Rarog]

What a competitor! They have no experience in building tanks at all, and Hyundai will help them a bit, but they will treat him for childhood diseases for another 10 years! Well, you can’t just start from scratch and start building such a technique from scratch!

[Alex777]

65 tons is too much, even for inexperienced.
With Merkava butting gathered or what?

[KaPToC]

I wonder why the Turkish tank ranked among the third generation?

[Alex777]

Technologically - a very advanced tank.
But this is the case when smoothly on paper.
But what gullies they will fall into - we will see.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: NEXUS

Turks have never been good "friends" to us ...

I would not like to be friends with such "friends" who, at the first opportunity, will stick a knife in the back ... Friends - no. Neighbors - where can you go ... But You can’t turn your back on the Turks. Neither in the bathhouse, nor in the market ...

[Evil543]

You can recommend them a closer look at Ukraine, production has been established, they know how to steal money.

[210ox]

Is production adjusted? The scrap metal trade remaining in warehouses is adjusted ..

[ltc22A]

Quote: Evil543

You can recommend them a closer look at Ukraine, production has been established, they know how to steal money.

If there is a lot of extra money in Turkey and they are not interested in quality, then I advise you to contact the Ukrainian "advanced" manufacturers of the "Azovets" tank or at KhTZ (Kharkov)

[Vladimirets]

Quote: ltc22A

they are not interested in quality

Anyway, tanks.

[siberalt]

Oh, it's a pity that in Altai the tractor plant was completely stolen and destroyed by the "development ministers" of the Russian Federation!

[Karaul73]

The Turks will make a tank with the Koreans no worse than the T-90. And they will be friends over cheap gas, and vice versa tomatoes.

[78bor1973]

The tank is no longer even a snap, the mass is off the charts, which means there are at least prospects for modernization! I hope I do not need to remind anyone from whom the Koreans rented the T-80?

[Alex777]

Altai is good, but loader on it - for no tricks.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: STARPER

It’s better not to turn your back on them, but you need to control!

Control is unlikely to succeed, so they must be carefully studied.

[Alex777]

Does Iran have moral fatigue from a 3-year war with Iraq?
How old is the document? They fought with Iraq for 8 years ...
And that war ended in 1988 ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Alex777

How old is the document?

This is from the classics of Soviet military art .... I have all the expensive neighbors )))

[Alex777]

For 30 years is not outdated slightly?

[Thunderbolt]

And the other is no instruction

[Su24]

Quote: STARPER

We would leave NATO, we would put our own to them ... Now the fashion for Russian weapons, etc.! Think Turks ... Now it is better to be friends with us, then it will be too late ..

What nonsense, Turks, why do you think they made their own tank?

[Su24]

Hmm, it’s strange of course to create a tank with four crew members in the 21st century.

[A jacket]

There is a good contractor in Nizhny Tagil. Only submit orders!
Let them carry the documentation even tomorrow.

[igorka357]

Someone stole a tank there, they say it was cooler than the T-14 a hundred times .. WOULD you give them your Altai, they will be contractors, they will instruct door eyes everywhere, and cameras from intercoms ... the tank will be cool .. )))

[OLD FART]

Quote: igorka357

Someone stole a tank there, they say it was cooler than the T-14 a hundred times .. WOULD you give them your Altai, they will be contractors, they will instruct door eyes everywhere, and cameras from intercoms ... the tank will be cool .. )))

But they will be able to, they are still venturing into a venture .. (under the brand name made in the USSR)))

[210ox]

A trash can on the tracks .. Pancake jerks .. Shoblu of these "constructors" were dispersed by some gopniks .. That's over the whole cool tank ..

[avt]

Turkish Defense Ministry is looking for a contractor for the production of tank Altay

Why look for that? "Uralmash" Tagi-i-i-il! BUT - money ahead! In the morning money - in the evening tanks.

[78bor1973]

Here is still the Omsk plant or Kirovsky, I think there will not refuse to put on stream!

[ltc22A]

Quote: avt

Turkish Defense Ministry is looking for a contractor for the production of tank Altay

Why look for that? "Uralmash" Tagi-i-i-il! BUT - money ahead! In the morning money - in the evening tanks.

What? Build tanks to a potential enemy. Dismiss my friend from such customers.

[siberalt]

And what, it makes no difference to Russian business, who is there to bring in something?

[Peacemaker]

Build with bookmarks, so that a little something, the engine stalled and the MSA refused.

[NEXUS]

Quote: avt

Why look for that? ,, Uralmash "Tagi-i-i-il! BUT - money ahead! In the morning money - in the evening tanks

Sorry, scooter in their hands and a drum on the neck, not a Tagil tank.
To declare and do this is slightly different. 4 experimental tanks, with a bunch of diseases, given the lack of experience in the design and layout of such armored vehicles ... this Altai will cost them about the same as F-35 mattresses.

[Banishing liberoids]

Why is ukroin bad as a contractor? ?? ask thailand, they will confirm to you that the first hundred tanks ukrointsy build in one hundred and fifty years! however, each tank will have two troubles - at a price it will be more expensive than f35, and as for the quality of the assembly, it is as if entirely machined with an ax - that is, the assembly in action

[Karaul73]

But Ukraine saves the customer’s money. They can lie in your pocket while the tanks are slowly being made.

[siberalt]

Ukraine has nothing to protect. The people are dying, and the stash of oligarchs will not help him. Already in 2017, they will begin to master London and Brussels en masse. So hohlushki on the porch to Europe, and men - to clean the boots of the Poles.

[Zhnec]

And what side does Turkey belong to Altai? Is it an abbreviation or wet dreams? ..

[stoker]

Try to read the article.

[210ox]

Vitaly, you’ll excuse me, but apart from the headline and a couple of comments you haven’t read ..

Quote: Zhnec

And what side does Turkey belong to Altai? Is it an abbreviation or wet dreams? ..

[Strength]

Have you heard anything about "Great Turan"? Maybe from there? They are still carrying this dream.

[demiurg]

65 tons. It’s good to drive where there is no dirt and snow.

[OLD FART]

Quote: demiurg

65 tons. It’s good to drive where there is no dirt and snow.

As I understand it, they are not going to drive them too much ... So for a show-off! ... The Turks are very cowardly and remember their history, especially if they intersect with the interests of Russia! We will not joke and just threaten .. We are now having a serious showdown in Syria and God forbid anyone who gets in our way!

[Gray brother]

Quote: demiurg

65 tons. It’s good to drive where there is no dirt and snow.

Their current theater is just that. True, snow sometimes happens.

[APASUS]

Quote: demiurg

65 tons. It’s good to drive where there is no dirt and snow.

The weight of the tank is still important during the transfer. Railway standard platforms are designed for 60 tons, Public roads for cars with a load of 20 tons, we will not write about airplanes.
So the tank can turn out to be very expensive in delivery, although I generally expressed doubt about this project. Besides the fact that the Turks have no experience, the West does not need a competitor.
The example of Ukraine is very revealing, there is a war in the country and, with all the loud support, the West is in no hurry to help the country with military technology

[KaPToC]

Quote: APASUS

The weight of the tank is still important during the transfer.

The weight of the tank matters when ... refueling it.

[Mentat]

Again shake this Altay, a simplified copy of K2, from which they threw out "extra parts" and equipment to reduce the cost of production.

[iouris]

It was planned that the tank production plant will be in Altai.

[marshes]

And what's not bad in Semipalatinsk Altai is nearby.

[Thunderbolt]

2000 pieces to rivet as they wanted, and then all at once, with one bonboy to flatten their order.

[marshes]

Quote: Thunderbolt

2000 pieces to rivet as they wanted, and then at once, with one bonboy, flatten their order

Well, you are the T-90 AM, you don’t want to make the MS with the new automatic loader, so that the BC would be in the aft part of the tower.
And Armata, we probably haven’t been shining for ten years. Yes, and the price is almost cloudy.
Here, someone brought the price of the T-90 MS, so the T-72 super duper modernized something like the T-90 is standing, I don’t know who is stabbing someone, but we had two tanks burned so the damage was around 5 lyam.

[Thunderbolt]

You seem to have to sell at domestic prices or at a good discount, all the same the CSTO.
In the hangar burned out or what? I did not hear about it, to be honest.
P.S. As you understand, there is some kind of plant in Semipalatinsk, but I thought about the landfill and the fantasy started.

[marshes]

Quote: Thunderbolt

You seem to have to sell at domestic prices or at a good discount, all the same the CSTO.

Armata? We would have a tower from the T-90 AM, SM on the chassis would be installed. But as Leclerc was not bad. And so some from the Elbits Others from YOU B3, but structurally nothing new.

Quote: Thunderbolt

In the hangar burned out or what? I did not hear about it, to be honest.

Yes, 4-5 years ago, when the diesel fuel caught fire, they smoked.

Quote: Thunderbolt

P.S. As you understand, there is some kind of plant in Semipalatinsk, but I thought about the landfill and the fantasy started.

Yes, and the landfill, and the tank repair plant from the USSR, before the events in Ukraine, they managed to buy another line for repair. And so the tank is disassembled up to the screws until the paint is removed and collected again. There they carry out modernization and much more ...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: marshes

And so the tank can be disassembled up to the cogs until the paint is removed and collected again. There they carry out modernization and much more ...

Oh, it’s good that you have such a small factory. It’s not bent into the dashing 90s and is growing in technical capabilities.
Well, then go to the Urals to talk to us and our tank builders. If you want a decent number, you can come up with something to come up with a tower. I’m familiar with the equipment, I think it’s superior to the Chinese models. The Chinese probably offer you many samples of weapons, modifications, etc. I would not really trust them ...

[marshes]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Oh, it’s good that you have such a small factory. That did not bend into the dashing 90s and grows with technical capabilities

So they rebuilt a new line. There, not only the T-72, but also other repair and restoration equipment is undergoing.

Quote: Thunderbolt

Well, then go to the Urals to us and talk with our tank builders

There is a constant dialogue with UVZ, they say that our chassis-chassis from T-72 are being sold from storage.

Quote: Thunderbolt

.If you want a decent order in quantity, you can work together and come up with what you can do with the tower.

But you don’t suggest something, and it’s scary to spend money on development in the past, we cannot find another 300 Lyams from Bayterek.

Quote: Thunderbolt

.The technique is familiar to you, I believe that it is superior to Chinese models. The Chinese probably offer you many samples of weapons, modifications, etc. I would not really trust them ...

Well, in the mechanics they are still weak, so we didn’t survive something, but the UAV, MLRS and ATGM, MANPADS are quite interesting. By the way, Norniko wants to build a plant for the production of large-caliber ammunition.

[rasputin17]

No contractor needed !! you just need to buy ready-made tanks from Russia! This is the only right decision, both economically and politically justified as a sign of friendship !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

This is the only right decision, both economically and politically justified as a sign of friendship !!

And why did they decide ??? From the point of view of national interests, it is beneficial for Turkey, first of all, it is a big industry and its development is the development of Turkey, factories, scientists, a lot of new things that the Turks did not produce, but depended on the American. And this tank will be largely from the details of different countries. But much of his own Turkish, simply collected in Turkey.
And the Turkish tank park is already outdated and WHY should they load the plants of the USA or the Russian Federation, when you can load your own and master a lot of interesting things and depend less on other countries.
Plus, its export in the future. And Turkey has such an opportunity in the future to sell its tanks to third countries.



Ankara aims to replace imported defense products with domestic and increase its exports, Turkish Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz said.
"Turkey's dependence on foreign military equipment is now less than 50% compared to 85-90% 12-13 years ago. We strive to bring the share of domestically produced weapons to 100% and increase their export, "Yilmaz said in an interview with Anadolu.

He said that the defense industry turnover is Turkey last year amounted to more than 5 billion dollars, arms exports - more than 1,7 billion.

Article 2015 of the year.

Therefore, Turkey does everything right. If you want to be great, make your own and develop your industry.

[rasputin17]

Turkey's dependence on foreign military equipment is now less than 50% compared to 85-90% 12-13 years ago. We strive to bring the share of domestically produced weapons to 100% and increase their export, "

Being pregnant and becoming her Kaka says oriental wisdom are two different things!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Being pregnant and becoming her Kaka says oriental wisdom are two different things!

I brought you a fact of the country's dependence 12 years ago and now. It is clear that 100% in our world is rare. Well, people from 90% reduced to 50% is a huge step forward. And you are talking about pregnancy.

[rasputin17]

Well, people from 90% reduced to 50% is a huge step forward

Russia also does not stand still !! And especially in the military-industrial complex!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Russia also does not stand still !! And especially in the military-industrial complex!

Here you are jumping from topic to topic. The main thing is to prove your case))))
I told you about Russia and its military-industrial complex, I said something)))) You said about pregnancy and said that pregnancy is and is developing, and you are talking about the Russian Federation))))

[rasputin17]

Good! Let Turkey be pregnant, but the question is who will need this child in this case and how many buyers will be found for it ??? Or does she expect that countries below her level will be mobbed by the crowd ??

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Let Turkey be pregnant, but the question is who will need this child in this case and how many buyers will be found for it

This child is primarily needed by TURKEY !!! How do you not want to understand this ???
The Korean tank has already created another generation of the Korean tank that’s better than the Turkish one, but do they export it somewhere large ?? No. Basically, only to their army. It will be the same. Turkey is trying not to depend on the West in what areas it is slow, somewhere fast. But the goal is clear.
The Turks were unable to deliver their self-propelled guns to Azerbaijan as their strategic partner, because the Germans told our engines there and Figushki to Azerbaijan. What is this setup? Substitution. Tomorrow they will send Turkey with the same ease when it is at war with someone.
You look at this topic from the point of view of Commerce and PROFIT and Market Capture. But initially this goal is not set. This will go as a bonus.
The main goal is to reduce dependence on other manufacturers.

[Stas157]

Quote: Yeraz

The Turks could not deliver their self-propelled guns to Azerbaijan as their strategic partner, because the Germans said our engines there

And what is the Turkish engine in Altai?

[Yeraz]

Quote: Stas157

And what is the Turkish engine in Altai?

No, there are a lot of different things. But unlike the current tank fleet in Altai there will be, except for the West, Korean and Turkish.
Here, many perceive everything in one color. Turkey will not become technologically independent in an instant, but it has begun to take steps in this direction. That's the main thing.

[rasputin17]

It’s very difficult to compete in this market, supplying cans and knives that are cleaned just for them! What can Turkey really oppose against Russia now ?? Can you name at least one weapon?

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

It’s very difficult to compete in this market, supplying cans and knives that are cleaned just for them! What can Turkey really oppose against Russia now ??

And who said that Turkey will compete with the Russian Federation or the United States ???? To start with, it’s necessary to renew its tank fleet. Secondly, it’s possible to become a third world country after its army has completely transferred. And it’s clear that Iran , India and Algeria are too tough for Turkey, even if the tank is better than the Russian one. And weapons are not always sold for their performance characteristics, there is still a political moment and much more. And in the Islamic world and Asia, Turkey may push the goods in the future.
But until this happens to them and until they see its use, no one will buy it.

[rasputin17]

there is still a political moment and much more. And in the Islamic world and in Asia, Turkey may push the goods in the future.

You know, but after the war in Syria, Turkey has, to put it mildly, bad political moments !! She will have to answer for many political moments at the cost of her own interests, which she now threw at stake !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

You know, but after the war in Syria, Turkey has, to put it mildly, bad political moments !!

Turkey became a hostage to political issues. They were assassinated with Assad, and Assad was perfectly crushing the Kurds, but Turkey was in a position where she should have been against Syria and Erdogan tried to survive to the maximum. But the critical moment for Turkey was always the same to prevent the collapse of Turkey. Syria is the emergence of the Kurds. The matter reached a critical moment and Erdo put his pride in one place, went to reconciliation with the Russian Federation and put the United States before the fact of the invasion of Syria.

[rasputin17]

Erdogan tried to survive the maximum.

And now he is glad to a minimum and even to EARS FROM A DEAD DONK !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

And now he is glad to a minimum and even to EARS FROM A DEAD DONK !!

But at least. They at the beginning and could not dream of an invasion of Syria. Of course it would be fun to have a unified Sunni Syria, which crushes the Kurds. But if this is not possible, you can organize your own Sunni piece and crush the Kurds.

[garnik]

And that says Shiite.

[Yeraz]

Quote: garnik

And that says Shiite.

What’s wrong with my words? I’m only describing an option that is beneficial for Turkey. And we are not Arabs to slaughter each other on the basis of religion. There were times, but this was just a method. Therefore, it was overcome. And the Arabs are still cutting.
And for me, Shiite Turok is closer to Sunni than Persian Shiite. Because of such Shiism, the Armenians happily lived in Syria had a huge resource. And the Wahhabi Sunnis veil reduced this resource to ZERO, unlike Assad Shiite who only multiplied this resource.
And in Lebanon we are for the Sunnis, since the victory of the Wahhabi Sunnis always knocks out others, leaving room only for themselves.

[rasputin17]

Turks are life-long flea marketers and will deliver junk only to third countries who are lower than them in level! They don’t have time already to develop new modern weapons because they lost it by purchasing NATO junk!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Turks are life-long flea marketers and will deliver junk only to third countries who are lower than them in level!

Not long ago I ran into a household problem. I have two Beko washing machines, small children and parents all live in one big house, washing almost every day. After long work, one worked for 18 years, which was a little newer for 12 years, I assembled one of the two and bought Lipetsk Indesite, so I can't adjust it so that it doesn't "run away" from vibration when squeezing. This is about the quality of production for third countries. To take light industry without words, sheepskin coats are already 20 years old. Army boots are already 10 years old, the appearance is not very much, but you can still wear it, since there are still two pairs.

And military equipment, a lot of borrowing and licensing, but I take spare parts for Land Rovers Defenders in Turkey, the same garbage for some components of Toyota.

[rasputin17]

[b] And military equipment, a lot of borrowing and licensing, but I take spare parts for Land Rovers Defenders in Turkey, the same garbage for some components of Toyota. [/ b

The same garbage !! For my Discovery, I now try to take only the original, since the TURKISH ambassador left me with sideways repair !!!!!!!!!! Although cheaper but humus and humus in Africa !! In general, with regards to Turkish spare parts for English cars, then go to Kazakhstan sites and read! And what about Toyota, we prefer Korea! And regarding VECO, this is our skirting-level technique because there are more complaints about it than sales !! And in Kazakhstan, they buy it the least! Better factory CHINA !!! This is a guarantee of quality! I have a 20 kVA voltage stabilizer for 9 years, and the Chinese cooperative factory!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

The same garbage !! For my Discovery, I now try to take only the original, since the TURKISH ambassador left me with sideways repair !!!!!!!!!!

The originallock is gone, the shavers do not want to work; the banking sector is more comfortable with them. Yes, the Germans already have a landrover and those dirty tricks are thrown off to the Turks.

Quote: rasputin17

And what about Toyota, we prefer Korea

Well, there are not bad Korean parts, but the Mazda Hyundai is the Mazda. but hieroglyphs, China their mother. Ball for Honda for a month. Although there is something but the new machines are mainly made in Turkey, Thailand.

Quote: rasputin17

And regarding VEKO, this is our plinth-level technique since there are more complaints about it than sales !!

I do not believe it, I was looking for it in summer, but I had to buy an indesit, according to events, there was no delivery.

Quote: rasputin17

Better factory CHINA !!! This is a guarantee of quality! I have a 20 kVA voltage stabilizer for 9 years, and the Chinese cooperative factory!

This is my belief, power tools and power plants from China, and what do you use a stabilizer in a private house? My friends use it and have three of them.

[rasputin17]

My friends use it, and the three have a phase.
I stabilize the city line input from power surges from outside depending on voltage peaks! And what do you have peaks? And what about the ABP, then this is in case of loss of line from the outside! I have a DGU in this regard! And do not say more please about the three-phase! This is not a panacea for power surges or blackouts! I also have all this at 0,4 kV if you understand!

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

I stabilize the city line input from power surges from outside depending on voltage peaks! And what do you have peaks?

Practically no, a private house in the suburbs, and an intelligent machine with a small control stabilizer, there are practically no jumps, and there are two tariff meters. I’m drowned in electricity in an emergency when there is no gas.

Quote: rasputin17

This is not a panacea for power surges or blackouts! I also have all this at 0,4 kV if you understand!

Shutdown from the outside, a 10 kW diesel generator is available, if not for a long time, a 2.2-kilowatt petrol engine with a starter, on a separate line, a duty room. I’ll run it until 10. My elder brother did the same for me, it’s covered only part of the roof with solar panels, his house is in the Upper Five Year Plan, there are almost no fogs and clouds.

[rasputin17]

his house is in the Upper Five Year Plan, there are almost no fogs and clouds.

Et in the area of ​​the 6th hydroelectric power station chtoli in Alatau ??

[marshes]

Quote: rasputin17

Et in the area of ​​the 6th hydroelectric power station chtoli in Alatau ??

Yes, in that area, I live in the Talgar district. 10 minutes by car from the city center.

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Turks are life-long flea marketers and will deliver junk only to third countries who are lower than them in level!

That is why so categorically declare everything ???
Japan that wasn’t like that ??? And China ?? Turkey 20 years and right now heaven and earth both in terms of the nomenclature produced and in its quality.

Quote: rasputin17

They don’t have time already to develop new modern weapons because they lost it by purchasing NATO junk!

Why not ?? They have that there is an active phase of hostilities involving a huge chilas to the people and resources and the existence of Turkey is at stake ?? No. All the rules. Therefore, they have time.

[rasputin17]

That is why so categorically declare everything ???
I often have to work with them more shallow and forgive the filthy people I have not yet met. They are tearing three skins from our hard workers and throwing them on one !! S .. uki!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

I often have to work with them more shallow and forgive the filthy people I have not yet met. They are tearing three skins from our hard workers and throwing them on one !! S .. uki!

Well, each nation has its own petty people)))) And by the way, it’s not a fact that the representative of Turkey is always a Turkish before you))

[rasputin17]

Of course you forgive me, but our cool Kazakhs to the hotel business are poor in their minds and not only the hotel business, but everything related to the restaurant and service are called Turks who at the beginning of simple Kazakhstan hard workers for a penny and then they throw kryutyaks themselves !!! And then the tough guys swear them at what the light is; restore the good they have poured after them and again invite the Turks !!! that they would be raped again !!! Like kakly riding a rake !! Although there are specialists! But this is bad luck because they want their Turks to fuck and then neigh at them in Turkey like they say what kind of stupid people in Kazakhstan are !!! It’s not a shame for these mambets, but the Republic that because of such chocks we are considered a banana republic !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

I often have to work with them more shallow and forgive the filthy people I have not yet met. They are tearing three skins from our hard workers and throwing them on one !! S .. uki!

By the way, the issue with the Azerbaijanis dealt ??

[aksakal]

Quote: rasputin17

They are tearing three skins from our hard workers and throwing them on one !! S .. uki!

- informers, schemers, set up ... And in general, their women’s methods of office warfare, although it seems like men. Am I used to how? Dissatisfied with something? Come, call to the street and say your complaints in person. But like that, seemingly to be friends, smile in the face, and then knock the crap out of filth - these are Turks. By the way, the young generation of Kazakhstanis also went this way. Is the market so influential? If so, then down with the market - I would not want to live in such a society.

[rasputin17]

Fact!! What more can I say !!! It's a shame for the power !!! are we worse than those who throw us and then call chocks ??? That's the question!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Fact!! What more can I say !!! It's a shame for the power !!! are we worse than those who throw us and then call chocks ??? That's the question!

Yes, it means you are worse. From whom do the Turks cry about the issue of commerce. From us from the Azerbaijanis. I thought the Kazakhs, but if not at the level of Azerbaijanis, but not so weak that they threw them like that. To see the Russian population and Russian-speaking affected.
The Turks even have a saying about the difficulty with Azerbaijanis)))

[rasputin17]

I do not care about those Moors whom the Turks threw! I represent an engineering company and work on a prepayment basis and I don’t even speak with such loans without 100% prepayment; there are still a few categories in Azerbaijan that won’t fall into this number! Honestly, I’m not a lot of locals, and people visiting my profile are decent people! Yes, they ask for serious discounts, but then I make up for it all in work and they do not refuse when it starts to go! And the Turks in this regard, s.k. even when it’s already put on the rails, they are trying to throw you !!!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

! And the Turks in this regard, s.k. even when it’s already put on the rails, they are trying to throw you !!!

Well, I don’t know, the Turks often cry about this about the Azerbaijanis))) The word money and the Azerbaijani are synonyms in Turkey))))
I just don’t know if you are in this area, or deal with Kurds or with Armenians from Turkey. I can immediately recognize from which area the Turks are, not to mention the national affiliation.
It’s just that my friend literally until recently worked in the largest shipbuilding corporation in Russia in St. Petersburg and praised the Turks very much, as managers, as their engineers and generally had cool relations. In the civilian sphere in general, Turkey is much ahead of the Russian Federation, experts from Russia greatly envied the shipyards in Turkey.
Plus, almost everything that is being built in Russia is with the participation of Turkish companies, I know people from this field and have not heard discontent from anyone, on the contrary, discontent begins when local companies connect. I was therefore very surprised at your stories about Turks in this area. on the contrary, they were always distinguished by their pedantry and a more correct attitude to business, with less hitting than the former inhabitants of the entire USSR,

[garnik]

Listen, do not touch the Armenians. I read that everything seems to be normal, although I could fit into the discussion, but I do not want sracha (sorry). Every nation has scammers, and cavatars are no exception.
Turkey with its polypropylene products overwhelmed Russia., This is a shame. Yes, and rags (clothes).

[rasputin17]

. Therefore, they also have time.
Erdogan will stand with a timer! Like Kaklov to create an analogue of Almaty !!! And then it turns out that some tutushki merged everything into a secondhand market and will offer the Arab suckers current models but in a different form and layout !!! Do not make me laugh!!! It takes money and not small to create it, but they are extremely stingy and now they are poor too !! They would solve their internal problems !!! You still offer North Korean Musudan to put on the foreign market !!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

It takes money and not small to create it, but they are extremely stingy and now they are poor too !! They would solve their internal problems !!!

Are they directly poor ?? and to the extreme stingy ??? In the Russian Federation, there is also a considerable crisis and nothing is going on with the military program. It's the same thing. This is a critical point and there is enough money in Turkey.

[rasputin17]

Turkey 20 years and right now heaven and earth both in terms of the nomenclature produced and in its quality.
Only war now saves Turkey! And what will happen after ?? Understand that the world is changing! Of course, not as fleetingly as we would like, but another five or seven years and Turkey will have to answer for its actions in the Middle East and, moreover, with its territory! There will be many questions for her! And believe me, that as after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, modern Turkey will also have to go through this! History does not forgive oblivion and mistakes!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

Only war now saves Turkey!

War saves ?? What do you mean? Invasion of Syria?

Quote: rasputin17

but another five years seven and Turkey will have to answer for its actions in the Middle East and, moreover, with its territory!

Everyone will have to answer for their actions, not just Turkey.

Quote: rasputin17

And believe me, that as after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, modern Turkey will also have to go through this! History does not forgive oblivion and mistakes!

Well then, I can also say about the heirs of other empires, everything that you say can be projected onto all participants in actions in Syria, and not just on Turkey.

[rasputin17]

We are not talking about others now! We are specifically considering Turkey! And believe Erdogan, no one has forgiven anything yet! There are many questions to him! And the war is now really a panacea for him!

[Yeraz]

Quote: rasputin17

And the war is now really a panacea for him!

Nothing was a panacea for him. He was very popular before the coup, and after that he was on horseback at all. He does not need war.
What is war for you, i.e. a conflict with an army of a country or a fight against Kurds ??
And what will each of these conflicts give Turkey, that it is at the level of Panacea?

[izya top]

In Kharkiv, the plant is idle, please contact me. And be sure to invite designers from manure, not only everyone has armored vehicles with door eyes

[Sergey333]

Uralvagonzavod did not apply? They quickly rivet them

[parkello]

Turks climb to us again. I would ask respected Russians not to give them ideas, much less to sell them weapons. so far the Kurds are holding them back from military expansion to the West, but when they deal with the Kurds. they will climb onto our islands, or maybe even try to expand from the side of the river. from the side of the river we are not afraid of them, they will not pass our positions there, but here the scenario of Cyprus can be repeated on the islands of the Aegean Sea. Samos, Rhodes, Kastelorizo. I hope that the Russians have enough honor and dignity to refuse them the acquisition of weapons, both offensive and defensive? because we still have to free Asia Minor and Constantinople ... I really would not want the Turks to possess Russian weapons

[protoss]

because we still have Asia Minor and Constantinople to free

well, they’ve made fun, you’ve already degenerated for 1000 years, it’s not clear what.
the Albanians will pounce on you, even without weapons.
not Russia with England, so still would live under the Turks

[garnik]

Quote: protoss

because we still have Asia Minor and Constantinople to free

well, they’ve made fun, you’ve already degenerated for 1000 years, it’s not clear what.
the Albanians will pounce on you, even without weapons.
not Russia with England, so still would live under the Turks

In 1921, the Greeks stood near Ankara, but being without food and lack of ammunition, they asked for help from Soviet Russia, but the Communists chose Turks as friends and fitted a gift (gold, shells, ammunition, provisions, etc. I am sure that this not in the interests of the Russians, I think you yourself can guess who benefits from this.

[garnik]

Unfortunately, there is nothing personal, this is business, the words of Russian pseudo-politicians. I think NATO will not help you either. Cyprus is an example. Yes, and the Germans are biased towards you. It is necessary to seek the CSTO, maybe the "allies" will be combed and will invest in Greece.

And Constantinople will be liberated!

[parkello]

NATO has never helped us in anything, but here in our country there are many corrupt people who will not want to lose their piece of bread and who will never allow an exit from the alliance. Greece is divided into two camps, Russophiles and Rusovites. and Rusovobia fueled through all kinds of fables and handouts. those who once took money from the west, they are blackmailing them and they are already sitting tightly on the hook, they will not jump from it. but most of the population is convinced that we need to get closer and cooperate with Russia. especially the ultra-right, they are the most ardent Russophiles, and it is precisely because of this that they have not been allowed to run for elections for a long time. there was not a single candidate. I think the next election will bear fruit. There is no doubt that Constantinople will be Greek, it is a matter of time, thank you for your kind words. Now I want to turn to a comrade (either a lord or a citizen, let him choose) who spoke about the Albanians, that they kind of give us a damn. yes it’s just ridiculous ... I served on the Albanian border in the area of ​​Kakavya checkpoint, the village of Ktizmata. I went to this Albania three times a week, caught smugglers who carried weapons and hashish to Greece. and I want to say that if we had an order to reach Tirana, we would get there in a couple of days without straining. and they themselves understand this perfectly well, these mongrels who came to Greece without panties, earned money here and for the first time in their lives were fed bread, miserable people who thought all their lives how to rob the Greeks and go to their homes to live there in a big way. not only unable to defeat us, but even stop for a short time. we’ll just exterminate them if something happens. they just feel the support of the USA, Germany and Turkey and are impudent, but if we had at least one reliable ally, then no one would dare even blather in our direction. NATO is not an ally, it’s a big bunch of cheaters who bring you into the game and thoroughly rob you, and you can’t leave the game until you are wrapped up like sticky. the first who understood this was Georgios Papadopoulos, who decided to leave the alliance, and for this he was overthrown, the Turks were lowered to Cyprus. in the same way they overthrew K. Karamanlis, who dared to go closer to the Russian Federation. it’s clear where the wind blows from? that is why we are surrounded by specially hostile neighbors, so that if something happens we could be squeezed. on the one hand, Albanians; on the other, Turks. from the north, Bulgarians and False Macedonians. but they didn’t teach us Greeks from the USSR and they often broke their teeth about us ... and they would break it again. in which case let them know, we will tear them tonsils through a point.

[protoss]

Now I want to turn to a comrade (either a lord or a citizen, let him choose

a citizen will do.
the fact that the Albanians without cowards and the Holodrans do not say that they, the Greeks, do not incriminate you. how many of them you already live there, half a million, and even more, chop off you still Kosovo 2.0, and will not choke.
but about Constantinople do not make people laugh. throughout the existence of the Ottoman Empire, the number of Greeks was approximately equal, or even exceeded the number of Turks. so the Ottomans, besides you, still kept all sorts of Bulgarians, Arabs, Serbs, Armenians and other poor fellows. and if it weren’t for the Russian empire, the UK and Austria, you would have sat under the sultans.
You had a ghostly chance after the WWII, until the Turks escaped from defeat, and that ended in a massacre in Izmir and Ponte. You are not rivals to the Turks in any way since the time of the Manzikert.

[parkello]

Yes, you are my friend rare. Congratulations, your idiocy is something extremely rare. You may need help, well, you never know what, maybe medicines are needed, or money, or who offended you, and who needs psychological support? I can advise a good psychologist. be treated ... otherwise it’s not interesting with you.

[potapych]

Tagil do not sleep !!!!!!

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: demiurg

65 tons. It’s good to drive where there is no dirt and snow.

Have you seen the dirt in Turkey? Or swamps? This is not Russia, there is a completely different soil. Maybe you saw meter drifts in the resorts of Turkey? Do you think Turkey is somewhere beyond the Urals? So why the hell are everyone going to sunbathe there and enjoy the excellent climate, all of Russia went nuts, except you.
They need a state-of-the-art tank that is arguably better than the T-90 for combat in the desert Middle East. The Israelites reasoned the same way when they created their heavy "Chariot".

[Proton]

If they instruct the tank to do yellow-black, then maybe then such a dialogue the customer can expect
Turks:
- Where is the money? S ****?
Ukrainians:
- No, they built tanks!
Turks:
- Where are the tanks?
Ukrainians:
- And tanks with *****!

[Aleksey_K]

It’s a pity that the author didn’t give the TTX K-2 Black Panther, and some readers began to water this tank with the waste of their life:
When developing the K2 “Black Panther”, special attention was paid to TIUS (tank information management system), which would integrate all the electronic systems of the tank into a single network, and BIUS (combat information management system), which would provide automated control of the tactical link and would allow exchange combat and reconnaissance information on the battlefield between the tank, other military equipment of various types of troops and control points in real time.
The main armament is the 120-mm tank gun with a barrel length of 55 calibers. Developed by the South Korean Defense Development Agency based on the German Rh-120 and manufactured by Hyundai Wia. To deliver ammunition to the barrel, created automatic loader similar to the French tank Leclerc AZ. AZ allows you to fire up to 15 rounds per minute or every 4 second (this is for those who do not envy loaders in this tank). Ammunition for the gun is 40 shots. 16 of them are placed in the mechanized installation of the automatic loader, another 24 shot - in special layouts in the body of the machine.
It is planned to install an active protection complex (KAZ) on the tank. This system is based on a three-coordinate radar and thermal imager capable of detecting approaching shells and ATGMs at a distance of up to 150 meters.
The radar will capture and accompany ATGMs and shells, a computer will calculate the trajectory of their flight, and anti-missiles will destroy missiles threatening the tank.
After "capturing" the enemy’s shell, an interceptor missile is launched, which explodes at 10 — 15 meters from an approaching target, thereby knocking it off course. An active defense system takes about 0,2 — 0,3 seconds from the moment it is detected to intercept an enemy shell. The active defense system will be equipped with 70-mm anti-missiles, capable of developing 2,0 Mach speed (2300 km / h).
The Black Panther uses the new EuroPowerPack engine and transmission system with the German MTU MB-883 Ka-500 diesel engine with 1500 horsepower. developed by MTU Friedrichshafen and an automatic five-speed transmission developed by the German company Renk. Additionally, the tank is equipped with a gas turbine unit with 100 horsepower. (75 kW). It provides power to all on-board systems when the main engine of the tank is turned off, it saves fuel and minimizes the thermal and acoustic signatures of the tank.
Maximum speed K2 70 km / h on the highway and 50 km / h on rough terrain; acceleration to 32 km / h in 7 seconds; power reserve 450 km. Obstacles to overcome: elevation angle 31 °, vertical wall 1.3 m. The tank is equipped with an ATV with a composite tube for underwater driving and after 30-minute preliminary preparation can overcome water obstacles up to 4.1 m deep (the predecessor K1 overcomes the ford up to 2,2 m deep). The ATV system provides the opportunity to join the battle immediately after overcoming a water obstacle.
This information is for those who think it's a trash can.

[aksakal]

Quote: Алексей_К

This information is for those who think it's a trash can.

I didn't see anything special in your description and therefore I don't really understand your reverent pathos when describing this product ... A tank is like a tank, a trash can on tracks is about Altai, and a black panther is an ordinary tank a little better than a mediocre one. By the way, it is surprising that recently they discussed the power plant to the Armata from the Chelyabinsk residents, so the members of the forum discussed this product with coolness. Meanwhile, pay attention - the high-tech South Koreans have not mastered the production of tank engines, but the Chelyabinsk residents are producing them, and the motor resource is very impressive. And the fact that a Korean tank has a German power plant = already such a disadvantage that discussing a Korean tank and not a hochtsa for a simple reason - is it Korean? Or more "leopard"?

[MarioG]

The main feature of the K2 tanks of the second batch is the new Doosan Infracore DV27K diesel engine (1500 hp) and the S & T Dynamics EST15K automatic transmission South Korean development and production

??

[KaPToC]

Quote: Алексей_К

This information is for those who think it's a trash can.

Actually, the article is about Altai, and not about the Black Panther, all of the listed splendor is not in the Turkish tank, so it is a "trash can on tracks."

[Parsec]

Quote: Алексей_К

Additionally, the tank is equipped with a 100 hp gas turbine unit. (75 kW). It provides power to all on-board systems when the main engine of the tank is turned off, it saves fuel and minimizes the thermal and acoustic signatures of the tank.

GTE 100 HP requires to burn, with the most optimistic efficiency of 50%, 75..80 kg of fuel. With all due respect to the Korean industry, they will not deceive physics: about half of the heat will be carried away with a stream of exhaust gases with a temperature of 350 ... 420 degrees. WITH..
A gas turbine engine, even when using a deflector, produces acoustic noise in a fairly wide characteristic spectrum.

How does the use of such an engine "minimize the thermal and acoustic signature of the tank"?

[rasputin17]

Quote: Yeraz

Quote: rasputin17

It takes money and not small to create it, but they are extremely stingy and now they are poor too !! They would solve their internal problems !!!

Are they directly poor ?? and to the extreme stingy ??? In the Russian Federation, there is also a considerable crisis and nothing is going on with the military program. It's the same thing. This is a critical point and there is enough money in Turkey.

No nge enough !!! Not for this Erdogan asks for billions of euros for refugees !! There are holes in the budget! And they are now waiting for the South Stream like manna from heaven, for all the free and saved money goes there!

[Damir]

Uralvagonzavod ... T-90 is called .... and do not suffer ...

[RASKAT]

What a clumsy he is, "I blinded him from what was." And these two huge TVs on the tower, what are they?
And if objectively, I think the Kurds will quickly test it with Soviet ATGMs, LOOK !!!

[Wolka]

nothing new, developments of the 80s, well, no, we definitely do not need such "off-road vehicles", and in general why produce expensive things that are already morally outdated and do not meet the requirements of the time, our T-72BM, or T-90S, all other things being equal in a real battle they look much more preferable, Syria is a vivid example ...

[abrakadabre]

By the end of the year, the Ministry of Defense of Turkey should decide on a contractor who will start production of the first batch.

Let at UVZ in Nizhny Tagil appeal. They give blueprints, and ours rivet.

Recall, the car is named in honor of General Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who commanded the 5 Cavalry Corps during the war for the independence of Turkey in 1919 – 1923.

And for whose independence did they fight? De jure, they seemed to be independent at that time. The Entente in Galipoli snapped at the snot, but ours didn’t press them down because of the revolution and civil war.