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The laying of the third mine defense ship is scheduled for the spring of 2017

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The official ceremony of laying the next 12700 mine defense ship will be held next spring, press office Middle Nevsky Shipbuilding Plant.




At present, "work on laying composite fabric into the matrix of the third serial mine defense ship (PMO), which is being built for the needs of the Naval Forces, has begun at the SSSZ (part of the USC) fleet Russia, "the report said.

It is noted that "the technology of displaying reinforcing fabric in the matrix is ​​one of the important and time-consuming steps to create the shell of the ship hull."

“The technology itself depends on the thickness of the fabric, its surface density, the type of weaving and other parameters. The difficulties that arise when laying the fabric, increase significantly if the matrix has such a complex shape as the hull lines of the ship, ”said the press service.

“After laying out the reinforcing fabric in a matrix in several layers and preparatory work, the process of vacuum infusion will begin, during which a binder will be fed through the tube system under pressure into the formed“ package ”under vacuum,” the release says.

It is reported that the ships of the 12700 project are “designed to search and destroy mines in the waters of naval bases on a safe distance for the ship; the ship can use various types of trawls, as well as remote-controlled and autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles, to combat mines. ”

The displacement of the ship is 890 T, the length is 61 m, the width is 10 m, the speed at full displacement is 16,5 of the node, the crew is the 44 of the person.

The lead ship of the mine defense "Alexander Obukhov" began state tests in September of this year.

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  1. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 16 November 2016 16: 14
    +3
    The world's largest body of monolithic fiberglass.
    1. DarkMatter
      DarkMatter 16 November 2016 17: 37
      +4
      Honestly, I used to enjoy it too. Now absolutely do not give a damn, the first, even the fifth, even the tenth!
      Such hulls and a half pieces for how many fleets? And dozens are needed right now, yesterday again. They’ll lay it around with minami and all new, old ships will stand at the pier.
      I hope the failures due to non-delivery of equipment will be resolved in full in the near future and will begin to rivet them like pies. Otherwise, the sense of them will only be in the news on TV, but in reality the fleet is in danger.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 16 November 2016 18: 06
        +2
        I also noticed that, for example, today there was news that Belgium and the Netherlands wanted to have 12 new minesweepers for two. Well, they got it right away, without leaving the docks, to these minesweeping fleets of dwarf powers. We took them on "hee hee" quickly.
        So I also want to believe that with time the army and navy will be completely self-sufficient and balanced force. In the meantime ... well, you shouldn’t dig into the ground ahead of time either. Under any circumstances, we won’t give up. spending state funds is stricter and not only in the defense industry. And so the minesweeper is good.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 16 November 2016 21: 21
        +2
        And the problems are solved with the equipment? The paddling trees were planted by a pig .. We are very short-sighted when we rely on foreign equipment.
        Quote: DarkMatter
        Honestly, I used to enjoy it too. Now absolutely do not give a damn, the first, even the fifth, even the tenth!
        Such hulls and a half pieces for how many fleets? And dozens are needed right now, yesterday again. They’ll lay it around with minami and all new, old ships will stand at the pier.
        I hope the failures due to non-delivery of equipment will be resolved in full in the near future and will begin to rivet them like pies. Otherwise, the sense of them will only be in the news on TV, but in reality the fleet is in danger.
        1. DarkMatter
          DarkMatter 16 November 2016 21: 36
          0
          Hope ... to be resolved

          Here I am writing that I hope they will be resolved completely. Apparently so far only partially, but more specific details will be found out later.
          And as for the custodians, everything is so simple here. If its own technique were the same, there would be no problems. request
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 16 November 2016 22: 41
            +4
            Quote: DarkMatter
            Honestly, I used to enjoy it too. Now absolutely do not give a damn, the first, even the fifth, even the tenth!
            Such hulls and a half pieces for how many fleets? And dozens are needed right now, yesterday again. They’ll lay it around with minami and all new, old ships will stand at the pier.

            ... and, what will you set minefields, let me ask you, in connection with such a loud statement ... B-52, as recently at the exercises in the Baltic? ... will fall before something will deliver the 48N6E3 missile defense system with a range of 250 km. ... PL? ... well, for a tricky pike, its own network ... Polish "Ozhel" has already tasted the "goodies", who will repair it? ... this is our 877E project ... by surface ships? ... I remember that neither "Bastion" nor "Ball" was taken out of the Coastal Defense ... but this is from 500 to 280 km. the closure zone ... and no one wrote off the raid and main minesweepers from the fleets, so they are updating the state ... if so ... ... that's just in May of this year, the "echo of war" at the entrance to Kaliningrad canal caught:
            KALININGRAD, May 25 - RIA Novosti. The subversive team of the Baltic Fleet raid minesweeper "RT-273" destroyed an anchor mine of the Great Patriotic War, discovered on Tuesday at the entrance to the Kaliningrad Sea Canal near the city of Baltiysk, Kaliningrad Region, the spokesman for the press service of the Western Military District for the Baltic Fleet, Captain Second Rank Vladimir Matveev. Source: https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160525/1439296814
            .html
            ...
            Quote: DarkMatter
            I hope the failures due to non-delivery of equipment will be resolved in full in the near future and will begin to rivet them like pies. Otherwise, the sense of them will only be in the news on TV, but in reality the fleet is in danger.

            ... about this too, there was already talk ... only the head came with the Treasury equipment ... then everything with his ...
            1. DarkMatter
              DarkMatter 16 November 2016 23: 43
              0
              Oh nooo, Monk is here and I was angry laughing
              Well, seriously, it's not serious. Does the enemy have anything besides the B-52 and the unfortunate Polish boat? I don’t even want to argue here ... If it’s just like that, then it’s good;
              only in May of this year, the "echo of war" at the entrance to the Kaliningrad Canal fished out an anchor mine of the Great Patriotic War

              That is, it was 80 years old at the entrance to the canal and it was just accidentally found? I don’t even know if it’s zrad or overdrive. And you’ll neutralize the new ones with one left, logically. lol

              only the head came with the Treasury equipment ... then everything with his

              Let's see how competitive it will be and whether it will be able to fulfill ALL the initially set tasks. Not to mention how much "our" it is. It is this question that interests me, which I wrote above.

              There is a problem and everyone knows about it, including enemies. They will use the weaknesses and hit the weak points, it is clear to anyone. On the issue we are lagging behind the "partners" for many years, if not decades, everyone knows that too. The replacement is modern here in the state we see. If this suits you, then your business. Me - no!
              A recent example, many shouted "what will they do to us, we will immediately cover them with Topol, Iskander, Satan, Ash, they will be afraid, the ashes will remain from them, we have nothing and no one to fear."
              And then the plane was shot down to us, the pilot was killed. After that, the same people began to shout "ah ay boobies! Who flies without protection, you have to be ready, the fool is clear!"
              1. Inok10
                Inok10 17 November 2016 00: 12
                +4
                Quote: DarkMatter
                Oh nooo, Monk is here and I was angry

                ... Change the diapers and pass ... laughing
                Quote: DarkMatter
                Well, seriously, it's not serious. Does the enemy have anything besides the B-52 and the unfortunate Polish boat? I don’t even want to argue here ... If it’s just like that, then it’s good;

                ... so even so seriously ... Than! ... and in which? ... Bottleneck? ... in the Gulf of Gdansk? ... so what will be the landmines if it’s not possible by plane, Above-water can’t be, submarines also do not will materialize from the Temporary Space? that is teleportation? ... laughing ... map of the Baltic, purple border lines ... ... here the Bastion shoots from the Danish coast to Saarem ... funny, yes! ... so where is the bottleneck? ... Danish straits? ... so let them at least be mined ... 507 km. ... delete ... bully ... then we will analyze the hydrology of other fleets? ... wink
                ... the rest can not be commented on ... about the "decades lag" and the rest of the "blizzard" with pressure on the downed Su-24 ... it stinks of a training manual ... you touch a substantive question and the Real Boy swam through Air and Teleportation ... the question is trivial how to put a minefield under the gun of the Enemy Coast Guard ... wassat
                1. DarkMatter
                  DarkMatter 17 November 2016 01: 21
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                  I don’t understand what exactly the Baltics liked, I actually spoke about the entire fleet, and not about Kaliningrad and Gdansk.
                  Why doesn’t the submarine roll, explain the nuka to me? Catch the Germans with your bare hands? The Japanese? Oh well.
                  Anyway, do you think that after a month of hostilities they will begin to do this? Not to mention the fact that some surprises can be prepared in advance, al simultaneously with the aggravation of the situation.
                  Is there no lag? What "blizzard"? That for 80 years a mine dangled under your nose and was accidentally found is considered good? If I think it's bad that they just found her, is it a blizzard? Or what? In my opinion, it is you from a sore head to a healthy one and take away from the topic of conversation.
                  And by the way, I actually talked to you normally, didn’t be rude, and didn’t even remember about the manuals, which in this case are also suitable for you, even more so, only in a mood for mood. In this tone, communicate with someone else. Bye.
  2. dsm100
    dsm100 16 November 2016 16: 35
    +2
    Great news. Although of course it seems to me that metal is still more reliable.
    1. Palch
      Palch 16 November 2016 16: 49
      +9
      dsm100 - Yeah, but the TREE does not sink !! Turn on your brain - this is a mine defense ship and must have a non-magnetic hull !!! Probably snickers does not always help ??
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 16 November 2016 16: 56
        +4
        Quote: Palch
        ... a mine defense ship and must have a non-magnetic hull ...

        - exactly only non-magnetic?
        - aluminum - non-magnetic, titanium - non-magnetic ... the list goes on
        - this is not banter, this is a question. Maybe the case should be non-metallic?
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 16 November 2016 17: 08
          0
          Dear cat man nul, fiberglass is many times cheaper and more technologically advanced than aluminum or titanium. Personally, as I understand the reason
        2. Palch
          Palch 16 November 2016 17: 14
          +4
          Of course, it is the nonmagnetic properties that are important. And since the same aluminum has a very weak resistance in seawater (electrolyte), and titanium is very high cost (will we continue the list?), Then it is more practical to make it from a composite. Because of the emphasis on the main property of the material, they usually say that the case is made of non-magnetic material, and not of non-metallic material.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 16 November 2016 17: 35
            +2
            Quote: Palch
            aluminum has a very weak resistance in seawater (electrolyte), and titanium has a very high cost (will we continue the list?)

            - about aluminum - enchanting ... Al2O3 - says nothing? This film is on aluminum, it forms in air ... "electrolyte" for her ... Yes
            - I asked you a question - "non-magnetic or non-metallic". and you left somewhere to the side ...
            - and to tell mnu, whose graduating department at the institute was called "Corrosion and protection of metals", about "unstable in sea water" aluminum ... well, that's FIVE request
            - so nevertheless - do not care what metal is, most importantly, non-magnetic, right? I wanted to understand it exactly...
            1. Sergey333
              Sergey333 16 November 2016 19: 00
              +3
              Smart say? So I explain - any scratch on aluminum made not in air, but under water and the beginning of the center of corrosion can not be stopped. You can try to cut this piece, but aluminum is very poorly cooked. When we urgently needed to weld several cases of aluminum devices, we barely found an import filler for welding and cooked 99,9999% in argon. Therefore, all planes and helicopters are riveted, however, for soft aluminum, such a connection is not tight.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 16 November 2016 19: 10
                +1
                Quote: Sergey333
                Smart say?

                - not complaining...
                - and we are with you already? Strange ... well, okay ...

                Quote: Sergey333
                So I explain - any scratch on aluminum made not in air but under water and the start of the corrosion center is impossible to stop

                - buy a young cockerel in the market, and twist his brains... I should not, good?
                - oxygen, he, you see, also exists in water.
                - therefore, the "scratch", just like in the air, will be "tightened" with an oxide film ... and no corrosion to you request

                Quote: Sergey333
                You can try to cut this piece.

                - no need to "cut a piece" ...
                - respectively, and do not need to cook anything
                - about "leaky riveted joints" - extremely interesting:

                Quote: Sergey333
                all planes and helicopters are riveted, however, for soft aluminum, such a connection is not tight

                - that is - are the aircraft leaking?
                - and fly at 10000 m.?
                - do not smack nonsense, it hurts ...

                Specialization ... negative
              2. Igor V
                Igor V 16 November 2016 22: 53
                0
                "... airplanes and helicopters are riveted" due to vibration and stress. If a couple of rivets are knocked out, then they can be immediately detected and replaced, while the neighboring ones continue to perform their function. When a crack occurs in a weld, it is not visible until everything falls off.
            2. Palch
              Palch 16 November 2016 22: 37
              +1
              Cat Man Null - You must have visited your department for 5 years four times. If they visited more often, they would know such things as general corrosion of aluminum, electrochemical corrosion of aluminum, pitting, crevice and stress corrosion, as well as galvanic fumes with aluminum. When you re-examine these processes, then it makes sense to discuss with you. Yes .. I repeat - seawater is an electrolyte. By the way - aluminum corrosion is a headache for the creators of the Caspian Monsters. For the sake of experiment, take an aluminum saucepan from your mother, scratch with a knife and place in saline. It contains, by the way, your favorite oxygen. And look how awesome the corundum is. Teach materiel colleague !,
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 16 November 2016 23: 18
                0
                Quote: Palch
                You have probably visited your department for 5 years four times ...

                - did not guess
                - I graduated from there 30 years ago, and since then I have not worked in this specialty a day ... distribution, since request

                Quote: Palch
                ... general corrosion of aluminum, electrochemical corrosion of aluminum, pitting, crevice and stress corrosion, as well as galvanic fumes with aluminum ...

                - did the wiki read? All these types of corrosion are not unique to aluminum alone ... You will not believe wink

                Quote: Palch
                When you re-examine these processes, then it makes sense to discuss with you ...

                - I'm not going to "discuss" with you
                - the original (my) question was: non-magnetic or non-metallic? You seem to have answered it. I have no more questions for you No.

                Quote: Palch
                ... seawater is electrolyte ...

                - thanks, I'm in the know

                Quote: Palch
                ... aluminum corrosion is the headache of the creators of the Caspian Monsters ...

                - it is understandable
                - there is also steel, and much more
                - aluminum under these conditions begins to work as a tread ...

                Okay. To the question you (kind of) answered, entertained me along the way ... thank you all (s) Yes
          2. Igor V
            Igor V 16 November 2016 23: 18
            +2
            In 1943, after Stalingrad, the Germans staged a mine war on the Volga, with the goal of blocking oil supplies from production sites to oil refineries. Thousands of mines of various systems were thrown from aircraft. A large number of minesweepers were required, but by that time everything more or less sensible had been mobilized on the Volga. Not from a good life, minesweepers had to be made of wooden tugboats and longboats. This has played a positive role. A large number of mines were magnetic, and triggered by a different number of operations. Wooden minesweepers dragged various steel junk in tow to and fro and made the mines work. The crews on them were mainly women and adolescents.
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 17 November 2016 13: 53
      +1
      Quote: dsm100
      Great news. Although of course it seems to me that metal is still more reliable.

      Now they’ve learned how to make a composite fabric containing Kevlar and carbon, such a hull is about twice lighter and three times stronger than steel. They say that when testing such a hull, when it explodes near the side, only the paint flies off, and the steel has a dent with a hole in the board.
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 16 November 2016 16: 56
    +3
    And in the first photo is a mold?
    Impressive ...
    Looking at the case somehow not that.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 16 November 2016 18: 06
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And in the first photo is a mold?

      This is a full-size matrix of the body, it is not exactly a mold. Casting of the body takes place in a slightly different way.
    2. Locksmith
      Locksmith 17 November 2016 13: 59
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And in the first photo is a mold?

      The inverse matrix — that is, the outer contours of the ship — is the inside of the matrix. It is laid out inside with a dry composite fabric in the desired direction and thickness, then covered with a film. resin, it quickly fills all the voids under the film and impregnates the fabric, there is enough residual vacuum so that the fabric does not slip from the matrix. After drying the first layer, similar operations are carried out - increase the thickness, on They lodge lodgements and mortgages for fastenings, reinforce the necessary places, according to the type of frames-stringers.
  4. colonel manuch
    colonel manuch 16 November 2016 17: 37
    0
    In theory, the Navy needs about 30 of them, and we are just going to lay the third. "Effective managers" over the years of their "work" have inflicted much more damage on the defense industry than all the enemy intelligence services put together! Isn't it time for the special services to take them seriously? I am sure that the cases have long been collected and filed, it is only a small matter - the team.
  5. Blue fox
    Blue fox 16 November 2016 17: 43
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    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    In theory, they need about 30 units for the Navy, and we are only going to lay the 3rd.

    I agree. just imagine that most of the anchor chains are bought in China, since there is no complete factory.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 16 November 2016 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Blue Fox
      Imagine that most anchor chains are bought in China, as no full factory

      - mdy ...
      - and how many of those chains are needed, say, per year?
      - and is it worth building for the sake of what is needed own factory?
      - Or are you afraid that the evil Chinese will stuff them in the chain of "bugs" and other "bookmarks"? What backdoors are there, for example? wassat
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 16 November 2016 19: 11
      +4
      Quote: Blue Fox
      I agree. just imagine that most of the anchor chains are bought in China, since there is no complete factory.

      wassat fool learn materiel ... factory Red Anchor, Nizhny Novgorod - orders like shawarma at the Kazan station .... what kind of China ?????
  6. Blue fox
    Blue fox 16 November 2016 18: 02
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Blue Fox
    Imagine that most anchor chains are bought in China, as no full factory

    - mdy ...
    - and how many of those chains are needed, say, per year?
    - and is it worth building for the sake of what is needed own factory?
    - Or are you afraid that the evil Chinese will stuff them in the chain of "bugs" and other "bookmarks"? What backdoors are there, for example? wassat

    Not surprised by your reaction. http://vpk.name/news/126415_rossiiskie_stekloplas
    tikovyie_tralshiki_s_kitaiskimi_yakornyimi_cepyam
    i.html
    And most importantly, they need kilometers and the Chinese stretch very quickly. Not a sailor, I can’t correctly explain, but I think the meaning is clear.
  7. yahont
    yahont 16 November 2016 18: 23
    0
    Needless to say, such news is pleasing that a new ship was laid there, launched in another place. We are gradually building our fleet, to the evil of our sworn "partners", and again, jobs for people.
  8. Blue fox
    Blue fox 16 November 2016 20: 28
    0
    Quote: gispanec
    learn materiel

    It is appropriate to write about the materiel, and not stick it anywhere for the sake of a catchphrase. Only in your eyes you become smarter from this. I live in Kolpino, two neighbors are shipbuilders from Sredne-Nevsky and Pella, so I have no reason not to believe them. Chains have their own length and thickness-caliber, not all are now produced by our factories, but those that there are "golden". Of course, in some ways and incomprehensible decisions on the purchase over the hill, and therefore gave a link to the article, so as not to be unfounded.
  9. rruvim
    rruvim 16 November 2016 21: 15
    0
    What about the fire in the enclosed building? He was absent?