Project "ZZ". Poet under arrest, liberals at gunpoint?

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The house arrest of the Minister of Economic Development and the poet Alexei Ulyukayev caused a stir in the Western press. The major publications of Europe and the United States vied with one another in quoting the opinions of prominent Russian figures commenting on the strange bribe that this minister allegedly extorted from Rosneft, a man of a dozen. Everybody is surprised, especially Anatoly Chubais.





I think: the investigator exists,
I see: the files are filed,
I hear: at the right hand and shews
A throat is broken by piits.
Yes, calm down: forget the effect
Rhymes will soon be forgotten
But thought is not a goal at all, but a means
Like aspirin for colds.
Poet Prophet Ulyukaev


Yesterday in 20: 50 Moscow time on President’s website there was a short message about the release of Alexei Ulyukayev from the post of Minister of Economic Development: “Vladimir Putin dismissed Alexey Ulyukayev by the decree of the post of Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation due to the loss of trust”.

This news shook the Western media, including the largest. Journalists and analysts began to wonder: what will happen next in Russia? Many Russian leaders, including those from the so-called liberal camp, are also guessworking. Even Chubais spoke about the detention of the “extortioner” Ulyukaev and the bribe case of two million greens.

Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukaev was arrested in Russia on charges of receiving a bribe in the amount of $ 2 million related to the privatization deal, writes Bloomberg. This is the first detention of such a large level, which occurred in Russia during the 16 years of Vladimir Putin’s rule, the newspaper notes.

Project "ZZ". Poet under arrest, liberals at gunpoint?


Sixty-year-old Ulyukaev was taken into custody on Monday while attempting an action related to receiving cash, the Investigation Committee of Russia said. Later, the minister was accused of extortion: he demanded money from Rosneft in connection with the purchase by the company last month of an 50-percentage share of the regional oil company Bashneft. Mr Gridnev, a lawyer for Ulyukayev, assures the public that his client denies any violations of the law.

Ulyukayev himself, dressed in a dark suit and white shirt, who was sitting at the defendant’s table during the hearing, said that he was cooperating with the investigation. The Moscow Basmanny Court granted the state's petition for the house arrest of Ulyukayev, which will last until January 15. Putin, the newspaper reminds, signed a decree on the release of Ulyukaev as minister, citing a "loss of confidence."

The detention of the “well-known liberal economist” shocked the government and the business elite, writes further edition. But what to say, if Putin himself “two years ago praised Ulyukaev, calling him“ one of our best specialists in the field of economics. ” In addition, the Rosneft deal is recognized as legal and is not subject to investigation.

“Ulyukaev was associated with liberal economic reforms since 1990, and many among the elite did not like him,” said Olga Kryshtanovskaya, an expert on the inner Kremlin circle working in the Russian Academy of Sciences (Institute of Sociology, Russian Academy of Sciences, Doctor of Sociology. - O. Ch .). In her opinion, there can be "some kind of political motive."

A spokeswoman for the Ministry of Economics, Elena Lashkina, says the news of the arrest was “strange” and “amazing.” She added that the charges must be carefully examined.

The lawyer Gridnev believes that everything that happened in the Rosneft office was "rigged."

Rosneft declined to comment on exactly where the detention took place.

State television of Russia, meanwhile, issued news of the detention of the minister under the slogan "Fighting Corruption".

“This is clear evidence that the fight against corruption has reached a systemic level,” says Kirill Kabanov, head of the National Committee against Corruption (an independent research group in Moscow). He suggests that the Ulyukaev case may pull along with itself “other people, perhaps even of higher rank.”

According to the publication, today Ulyukaev is the most prominent figure among those who got into scandals related to Russian corruption. Here both governors, and deputy ministers, and officials of lower ranks, all of whom were accused of corruption, fraud and extortion.

Dmitry Polevoy, chief economist at ING (Moscow), believes that the “worst scenario” could be the beginning of an “offensive” on liberals in the government.

As for at least some details on the case of Ulyukaev, the Investigation Committee reports that its work began after information from Rosneft: they said that Ulyukaev allegedly threatened to “create obstacles in the future for the company” if the company did not pay a bribe. Investigators tapped Ulyukayev’s phone for several months.

"La Stampa" reminds that the Medvedev government for several hours refused to comment on the scandal with the minister.

The publication believes that in Russia there is a fierce struggle not only economic, but also political clans. If Putin’s man, by the name of Sechin, heads the “conservatives”, then the ex-minister Ulyukayev is from a stratum of “liberals” who, as is well known, are skeptical about the economic prospects of the Russian Federation.

Until now, Putin has kept a relative “balance” between liberals and nationalists in a close circle, but what will happen now? The author of the article, Anna Zafesova, does not think that the version about the beginning of the fight against corruption seems convincing to someone, since corruption in Russia has hit all levels of the system and is a “consent mechanism”. And arrests for bribes - only the result of the inter-clan struggle. Russian ministers, governors openly boast about wealth that they could not get in an official way. And the further, the less Putin allows himself to publicly “flog” his inner circle.

But on November 15, something changed: one part of the clan defeated the competition. “The fate of the Medvedev government is currently unknown, but we can definitely say that he does not have to hope for the best,” the author notes. The arrest of Ulyukayev will be a bad signal for foreign investors.

According to Zafesova, the arrest of the minister may indicate either the Kremlin’s reluctance to “keep the balance”, or that the Kremlin is no longer able to do this.

"New York Times" also dedicated an article to Ulyukayev’s cause.

On Tuesday, the Russians were woken up by a scandal, journalist Neil Macfarkar sneers. Minister Alexei Ulyukayev, a “liberal burly man whose style is a haircut under a porcupine,” was arrested. He was detained in the middle of the night: this is down to Soviet tactics.

The minister’s arrest is the rarest case of detecting bribery outside the high walls of the Kremlin, although corruption in Russia flourishes everywhere.

Among the innumerable questions about what actually happened, one of the explanations turned out to be a “favorite”. The Kremlin is looking for a "life raft" for the economy. This line of analysts is based on the claim that Mr. Ulyukayev was allegedly punished for his initial attempt to block the Rosneft deal related to the acquisition of Bashneft and thus restrain Rosneft’s growth. On a larger scale, the arrest serves as a warning from the security services: no one should challenge them.

“I think the goal of all this is to eliminate resistance,” says Vladimir Milov, an opposition politician and former deputy minister of energy. This is a signal: do not stand in my way. This is "a clear signal for all future transactions."

Alexander Shokhin, president of the Russian Union of Industrialists and Entrepreneurs, believes that anyone trying to put Rosneft on money should be subject to a psychiatric examination, not a police investigation.

Ilya Shumanov from Transparency International says that a bribe in the amount of two million is a negligible, unreal amount, especially when it comes to the oil industry in Russia. Such money in Russia is taken by some deputy mayors.

Finally, the case of Ulyukayev writes agency Reuters. The material collected different points of view on the issue. We give two.

Grigory Yavlinsky admits that the Kremlin did not like the latest forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade that in the next twenty years Russia will face stagnation. The forecast could cause irritation and is regarded as disloyalty. “Night, arrest, minister ... Everyone should know: anything can happen to anyone at any time. Here is the main message. When there is less and less money to buy loyalty, there should be more fear. This is how the authoritarian system works. ”

Anatoly Chubais, the general director of Rosnano, said the following: “For us who know Alexei Ulyukayev more than 30 years, what happened is an absolute shock. But if you still try to remove emotions and even natural human sympathy for someone in need and think about the essence, not about politics, then it is worth remembering one golden rule: listen to both parties. One says: Ulyukayev threatened Rosneft and extorted a bribe. (Apparently, I have ceased to understand something in this world.) But we haven’t heard anything else yet! ”

* * *


The case of Ulyukayev, who presented the unusual role of a racketeer and a gangster, seems wild to both Western analysts and many Russian experts (the most varied: from people from the Ministry of Economic Development to Anatoly Chubais). It is also strange that they were talking about a couple of million dollars - money, which for many Russian officials, who are openly bathing in luxury, are pocket spending sums.

On the other hand, on the hand of Alexei Ulyukayev traces left after contact with the handle of the case with the money previously processed by the special personnel. It was a case with a million; the second million official allegedly promised to convey to the car. Ulyukaev’s defense does not deny that the money was present, however, he claims: he did not touch them.

In any case, the scandal with the former minister - a landmark. It is possible that other figures will fly for Ulyukaev and the next reshuffle will begin at a high level.
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  1. +18
    16 November 2016 09: 04
    I doubt that the matter will be brought to the end, although everything is normal with the proof.
    1. +18
      16 November 2016 09: 13
      escapes with fear and retirement ...
      1. +3
        16 November 2016 10: 50
        Now let's see who really got scared ... Who is there first in line for a steam locomotive ..
      2. +20
        16 November 2016 10: 53
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        escapes with fear and retirement ...

        Oh, Andrei Yuryevich, as we saw, like an oil painting: the Minister of Defense in a dressing gown comes out of his mistress. request And where is the landing?
        1. +6
          16 November 2016 12: 59
          Excuse me for curiosity - landing for a mistress or a robe? belay
      3. +5
        16 November 2016 11: 20
        At noon they will gather .. Probably decide who else to "drop" .. I would suggest "mushroom" ..
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        escapes with fear and retirement ...
        1. +5
          16 November 2016 15: 23
          Quote: 210ox
          I would suggest "mushroom".


          Here is the latest Ria News:
          "Searches are underway in the office of Rusnano
          13:54 16.11.201/XNUMX/XNUMX "...

          True, these searches are NOT connected precisely with the arrest of Ulyukaev ... There are enough thieves' affairs there ...
        2. +3
          16 November 2016 17: 51
          Quote: 210ox
          At noon they will gather .. Probably decide who else to "drop" .. I would suggest "mushroom" ..

          Ryzhik already hiccuped today. His NASU has already been taken out from under the roof of the Ulyukaev Ministry of Economic Development. Following probably auditors from the Accounts Chamber will rush to visit him))).
          1. +1
            16 November 2016 20: 40
            A thief should sit in jail! And I personally do not care how the TFR and the FSB do it !!
      4. 0
        16 November 2016 22: 24
        if the heart does not grab
      5. +10
        16 November 2016 22: 48
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        escapes with fear and retirement ...

        Fright, not fright, but something will happen: request
        For two days now, almost no one is interested in Donald Trump in Russia. The information about his telephone conversation with President Vladimir Putin was treated with about the same lazy coolness by the population of one-seventh of the land mass as the reports of the earthquake in New Zealand, which the vast majority of Russians have never seen before and will never see. Or to the news about the mass migration of rare Peruvian jerboas from Venezuela to Bolivia. It's funny, but nothing more. Well, he called, and the fellow reported. Now go get ready for the inauguration. Yes, do not forget to calm down the tolerant homosyatina, protesting against your election. And then look disgusting. Moreover, we ourselves have such a "show of transvestites" that even the promised arrest of Hillary Clinton will look pathetic and not funny against his background. Today, Russia is watching the thriller about the arrest of the former Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev with heightened interest and undisguised satisfaction ... So far, events in it are developing quite standardly. The suspect went unconscious in the style of "kosselyok, kosselyok, what kosselyok?" The flagships of liberal ideology timidly peep in their blogs about the arbitrariness of the "bloody gebni" and subtly hint that without Ulyukaev, there may be no economic development. Lawyers are actively promoting themselves in the media. Know-it-alls from the "xperid community" contemptuously wry their noses at the mention of the two million dollars, which, according to the investigation, the former minister extorted from the "starving" oil workers. Say, for an official of this rank, this is an unworthy amount of attention, and therefore it is not about money, but we do not yet know what it is. As we learn from Dmitry Peskov, we will immediately give our "iksperdny" assessment. Convinced conspiracy theorists associate the arrest of the former Russian minister with the very call of the future American president, to which public opinion almost did not pay attention. And only the most experienced observers are in no hurry to "crow" until sunrise, observing the development of events and collecting the information necessary for analyzing the situation.
        http://noteru.com/post/view/21327Продолжение здесь winked
      6. 0
        17 November 2016 00: 41
        Shaw, the writer again? belay


        Here, a kind of pop music, they decided to sing songs to his "poems" for his loot. So it was already with Vasilyeva. One gang, in a word. The system needs to be changed. hi
        It is already pleasing that another mayor, the Chubais henchman, was shut down. But they are like fleas all over Russia.
      7. 0
        17 November 2016 23: 39
        Yurievich

        Pay attention to the rhetoric of the First channel. The first very often mentions the phrase that the law is one for all. This is an introduction to judges. But also the point of view of GDP. Which, of course, would not have taken the dirty linen out of the hut if it had not really seen the need.
    2. +13
      16 November 2016 09: 18
      Quote: Spartanez300
      . I doubt that the matter will be brought to the end, although everything is normal with the proof.


      Even if he gets out, "dismissal due to loss of confidence" is a stigma that is not easy to remove.
      1. +8
        16 November 2016 10: 00
        Tanya, at the age of 60, does the "money bag" care? It is important for him not to sit down, he may lose his health, but he does not care about trust already ...
        1. +21
          16 November 2016 10: 23
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          at 60, does the "money bag" care? It is important for him not to sit down, he may lose his health, but he does not care about trust already ...


          And I wouldn’t put him in, shook the money out of the bags under 0 (for all relatives too) and let go on all four sides: a social pension and everything that is attached to it. For people like him, it’s worse than serving time to lose their capital and privileges.
          1. +6
            16 November 2016 10: 46
            Shaking everything out of him is basically not possible, it seems to me.
            He’s been at the trough for thirty years - everything has been bred, laundered, re-registered several times ...
          2. +5
            16 November 2016 11: 06
            Quote: B.T.W.
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            at 60, does the "money bag" care? It is important for him not to sit down, he may lose his health, but he does not care about trust already ...


            And I wouldn’t put him in, shook the money out of the bags under 0 (for all relatives too) and let go on all four sides: a social pension and everything that is attached to it. For people like him, it’s worse than serving time to lose their capital and privileges.

            good option, I agree ....
          3. +3
            16 November 2016 21: 16
            Quote: B.T.W.
            And I wouldn’t put him in, shook the money out of the bags under 0 (for all relatives too) and let go on all four sides: a social pension and everything that is attached to it. For people like him, it’s worse than serving time to lose their capital and privileges.

            Quite right - only complete confiscation is the only effective measure. They will know that in the end everyone will lose - and they won’t steal, and since he really has everything on the drum.
        2. +7
          16 November 2016 10: 45
          Meadow merged with the same wording, so what?
          A couple of years of disgrace and again, hello!
        3. +5
          16 November 2016 12: 17
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Tanya, at the age of 60, does the "money bag" care? It is important for him not to sit down, he may lose his health, but he does not care about trust already ...

          That's it ... Only even 9 years probation bully for such a figure it's just tryndets. And for others, the signal is characteristic.
          But we began to fight corruption a long time ago, I noticed this back in 2004. And now, in this regard, it is impossible not to notice changes. If 12 years ago the main corrupt officials were university teachers and traffic cops, and the amount of bribes, as a rule, did not exceed several thousand rubles, now it’s a completely different matter! lol
          Governors pulled themselves up, federal ministers, and not the last. You look, a year or two, and the matter will reach the deputy prime ministers. wink
          As M.S. Gorbachev - "the process has started"!
          1. +2
            16 November 2016 14: 55
            But we began to fight corruption a long time ago ... Governors pulled themselves up, federal ministers

            you can not defeat corruption - lead it Yes
            1. 0
              17 November 2016 23: 45
              DMoroz

              This method worked successfully in the early years of Putin’s administration. Then he restores the tax collection system. And now it's time to give corruption. If not for the features of foreign policy. Corruption would be crushed much earlier. But better late than never.
        4. 0
          17 November 2016 02: 57
          Andrey, good day

          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Tanya, at the age of 60, does the "money bag" care? It is important for him not to sit down, he may lose his health, but he does not care about trust already ...


          We, after all, on a very large scale, also "do not care" whether he sits down or not. request After all, the main thing for us is to remove pests from leverage, "bonuses" later.

          We need to clearly prioritize. At the forefront is the development and recovery of the country, the execution later.
    3. +5
      16 November 2016 09: 25
      Quote: Spartanez300
      I doubt that the matter will be brought to the end, although everything is normal with the proof.


      "If the stars are lit, who needs it."

      And if someone needs something, they will bring it, do not worry!

      The opinion, of course, is interesting, but, unfortunately, we ordinary people don’t know everything.

      And we will never know!

      And if we find out, will we understand?
      1. +4
        16 November 2016 09: 47
        We are waiting for a change in the economic course.
        1. +3
          16 November 2016 10: 12
          To change course, you need a well-developed idea and a team, which so far is not visible on the horizon
          1. 0
            17 November 2016 23: 53
            vladimirvn

            The GDP made it clear that he would not launch an ideology. Although as a fallback, he certainly has a team that can quickly request an ideology in case of a strong external threat to the country.

            Changes towards stable social guarantees will be. But at the expense of real danger to the country, a strange financial system. This is in question. Perhaps it will be done later. Or earlier. It matters how Trump behaves. Depending on the possibility and real actions of the new state policy.
        2. +12
          16 November 2016 10: 15
          Aha. "Such a merry company" of students (?) Of Yell University Ulyukaev in the center
          1. +1
            16 November 2016 10: 16
            And this is the musical accompaniment for "Cool Putin" (translated at the bottom of the video):
            "Wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia? Am I wrong? Wouldn't it be great?
            Uncle Sam or John Wayne
            Listen to me guys, don't mention their names in vain
            but let me tell you something unexpected
            there is one guy in the world who deserves respect
            Rutin Tutin (cool) Putin is driving down the highway in a shiny black Mercedes don't even try to mess with Mr. Putin he might just kick your ass Yes, Rutin Tutin Putin!
            He loves his country; he stands behind it; he does not retreat; uncle has eggs; baby, no matter what he goes forward, if only we had such a president
            Rutin Tutin Putin is driving on the highway in a shiny black Mercedes, don't even try to mess with Mr. Putin, he might just kick your ass Yes, Rutin Tutin Putin!
            A tough guy rumor has it he fights with bears and demons of one left routine tutin Putin rushes around the country on a shiny black horse do not even dare to mess with Mr. Putin most likely lose Yes routine tutin Putin
            1. 0
              16 November 2016 20: 44
              It would be great if these cocks wouldn’t get into our affairs with their FOOD concepts !! but they sat in their chicken coop and quietly crowed !! hi
          2. +1
            16 November 2016 10: 42
            "Terrarium of like-minded people" ...
          3. 0
            16 November 2016 13: 46
            Yale, Yale - what kind of education is this?
            Even "take" cannot be taught by way!
            No training for work in Russia!
          4. 0
            16 November 2016 14: 14
            I did not find information that Ulyukaev studied at Yale University. At MSU - yes
          5. +2
            16 November 2016 14: 15
            Quote: mirag2
            Ulyukaev University in the center

            And next to Chubais and Glazyev.
            1. 0
              17 November 2016 07: 17
              The picture shows Shokhin, Aven, Nechaev, Ulyukaev, Chubais,?, Glazyev.
              1991, Austria, under the International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP), organized by the US Department of State.
              There were also "exchange" programs (including at Yale).
              "Promising guys" were prepared for the "dashing nineties" - how to "organize" them correctly.
              Apparently - well prepared.
              But Ulyukaev wasn’t finished up a little - how professional and safe!
          6. 0
            16 November 2016 23: 53
            And next, in my opinion, Chubais
        3. +5
          16 November 2016 11: 51
          It will have to wait a long time .. The President has already stated, there will be no change of course. It is strange that he is very surprised by this incident ..
          1. +2
            17 November 2016 03: 14
            Good day DMITRY.

            Naturally, VV will not talk about plans for "courses" at every corner. This is the basics - Raz.

            I got acquainted with your last comments.
            I will take the liberty of giving you advice - calm down your pessimism, you have "lost everything" through a word.

            By spraying negativity on this information field, you (perhaps it will surprise you) are acting in full agreement with the theory of "Shock therapy" applied against Russia, our "Western n ***** s".

            Nothing personal, but the eye hurts.
          2. 0
            17 November 2016 10: 02
            The president has already said no change of course

            You can say anything.
            But let's ask another question - what for do we need the National Guard ???
            1. +2
              17 November 2016 10: 14
              Quote: Nikkola Mac
              let's ask another question - what for do we need the National Guard ???

              Aren't you tired yet? Chewed-chewed already ...
              - withdrawal of security officials from subordination to local "elites", their subordination directly to the Center. For greater controllability, in particular.
              - creation of a structure capable of responding to "irritants" on a national scale, and not a city-edge-region, as it was before (follows from the previous paragraph, in general)
              - in case of (God forbid) a military conflict - the Russian Guard will pose as territorial troops.

              Well, and so on ...

              Why did you ask this? wink
              1. 0
                17 November 2016 11: 33
                - in case of (God forbid) a military conflict - the Russian Guard will pose as territorial troops.

                Are you by analogy with the Yusovites? And who was the VV who portrayed in our country (and the NKVD did not "portray" at all during the war)?
                And it never occurred to you that it was a bit too late to grasp the "reforms".
                It seems that before that all functions were provided.
                And some very interesting feature set.
                participation in maintaining public order, ensuring public safety;
                protection of important state facilities, special cargoes, facilities on communications in accordance with the lists approved by the Government of the Russian Federation;
                participation in the fight against terrorism and extremism;
                participation in ensuring regimes of emergency, martial law, the legal regime of counter-terrorism operations;
                assisting the border agencies of the FSB of Russia in protecting the state border of Russia;
                federal state control (supervision) over compliance with the legislation of the Russian Federation in the field of arms trafficking and in the field of private security activities,
                the protection of particularly important and sensitive facilities, facilities subject to mandatory protection by the troops of the National Guard, in accordance with the list approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, the protection of property of individuals and legal entities under contracts.

                Well, no one did this with us - everyone was waiting for the creation of the National Guard, and at the federal level, too. And also rumors are circulating about the appearance of investigative structures in the state.
                Chewed-chewed already ...

                If everything is clear to you - God forbid.
                1. +2
                  17 November 2016 11: 40
                  Quote: Nikkola Mac
                  If everything is clear to you - God forbid

                  - also to me, Newton’s binomial (s)
                  - You, with all due respect, somehow selectively read. I will repeat again:
                  - the main thing (strictly IMHO) in the creation of the Russian Guard is that the security forces (attention!) are no longer subject (neither formally, ... informally) to local princes (elites, yes)
                  - that is, if the same OMON for the head of the krai-region was a kind of "pocket-carrying" knuckle dusters, now it has turned into a club ... which, on command (attention!) from the center this can be heated by the driver’s hands and on the top of the head. Do you feel the difference?

                  Quote: Nikkola Mac
                  And some very interesting feature set

                  - standard cop functions basically, no?

                  Quote: Nikkola Mac
                  Well, no one did this with us - everyone was waiting for the creation of the National Guard, and at the federal level too

                  - keyword - federal level. Submissions Yes

                  And what is so super complicated that your understanding is not available? I do not understand request
                  1. 0
                    17 November 2016 12: 29
                    - the main thing (strictly IMHO) in the creation of the Russian Guard is that the security forces (attention!) are no longer subject (neither formally, ... informally) to local princes (elites, yes)

                    Firstly (Decree No. 157 of the President of the Russian Federation on the establishment of the creation of a national guard):
                    4. Include in the structure of the Federal Service of the National Troops
                    Guard of the Russian Federation: ....
                    b) special units of rapid response of territorial
                    bodies of the Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation;
                    c) special units, mobile units for special purposes,
                    Special Purpose Center and aviation units,
                    named in subparagraphs "b" - "d" of paragraph 4 of this Decree,
                    are under the operational subordination of the Minister of the Interior
                    Russian Federation and related managers
                    territorial bodies
                    Ministry of the Interior of the Russian
                    Federation.

                    Secondly - in which regions do we now elect governors?
                    And, accordingly, "shoot" too.
                    Why, when they were elected (and they were much more independent), nobody bothered to create the National Guard?
                    1. +2
                      17 November 2016 14: 15
                      Quote: Nikkola Mac
                      Why, when they were elected (and they were much more independent), nobody bothered to create the National Guard?

                      - but because the time (then) has not come yet wink

                      All your other "questions" are rhetorical.

                      Do you like to believe that the Rosguard was created to infringe on you, the poor, unhappy - yes, consider it as you like.

                      I "think" in a different way, as I have stated there above. I don't see any sense in continuing the "conversation" No.
                      1. 0
                        18 November 2016 00: 00
                        Cat man null

                        You once argued with me, you were only on the side of your opponent. drinks
      2. +13
        16 November 2016 10: 20
        Our knowledge is quite enough to understand the essence of what is happening.
        In our country, there is an active oral and written form of the fight against corruption. In other forms of this struggle, no one is interested in all power structures!
        The arrest of Ulyulyuki is simply the result of clan squabbles. Those who want to stick to the trough more and more, already sucked in, too, do not complain about lack of appetite. But the filling of the trough decreased markedly. Therefore, local wars began for a place at the trough.
        The war between commodity oligarchs (whose incomes have fallen due to falling oil prices and a fall in the exchange rate) and global financial tycoons (whose incomes have also fallen - because of sanctions they are "excommunicated" from cheap Western loans, and therefore speculate on depreciation of the ruble).
        They have their whole life under the slogan "The budget will be mastered by the stealer - grab a little more, offshore and be always ready to quickly slip away."
        It is a pity that there are no other candidates to manage the economy in our imperiously elite warehouse.
        Honest, smart patriots - statesmen were never brought. request Alas... crying
        1. +10
          16 November 2016 12: 53
          Looks like Ulyulyu was just WRONG. I put my hand in my wallet, and he turns out to be STATE! Banally violated the rules, out of thoughtlessness. It doesn't look like fighting corruption. How can one fight the basic ideology of the state system, being the builder and holder of this very system? - No way. Did you need a high-profile anti-corruption case? - Need to. Especially amid the melting euphoria from Crimea and Syria, which by no means slows down prices in stores, and does not raise salaries and pensions. Don't you feel sorry for the liberals? - No pity. They have already frolicked enough since 1991. Therefore, they are from that very edge, the first. Who has launched little hands there at the moment? - Ulyukaev. Well, my friend was out of luck. Better to let him alone suffer "for faith in the loot" than the whole Great Pump will collapse. In short, come on Ulyukaeva. Something like this.
        2. +1
          18 November 2016 00: 07
          orphan63

          Your point of view makes sense and leaves the field of distrust of the state, based on practice in previous years. Maybe you're right.

          But maybe the changes went in a different way that you did not describe.

          The concept of honor, patriotism, conscience is not possible in a society without religion or IDEOLOGY. Any patriot or honest person will be almost instantly destroyed by the situation.

          The state has already begun to raise moral values ​​with the change of the Minister of Education. But this process is very long. They will not launch an ideology.
      3. +3
        16 November 2016 19: 39
        To receive a bribe in cash in hand is certainly not the level of such a rank. A lot of doubt what
      4. +3
        16 November 2016 22: 22
        That's what I'm talking about. Corinthian Sechin suggested that Putin hide behind them so as not to voice the real reason. And what real reason can there be if one does not even dare to voice it? Why did the FSB lead it very densely for more than a year?
        Ulyukaev was voiced the real reason, and offered to hide behind the official one. And I am sure that he will not be indignant in the future, and, as they already say, he began to cooperate IMMEDIATELY. I am sure he worked for Amers, but voicing this is fraught, if such a person worked for them, then how many are still there? And as they say, in such a situation, the extreme is Putin. And while Trump is not yet aware of our traitors of this rank, they decided to merge Ulyukaev to Trump's inauguration so as not to substitute him with this. In any situation, Ulyukaev would have been merged after the Amer’s election, only it would have been possible later. And now, with the advent of Trump, you can seriously take up your economy, without scum, sticking sticks in the wheels. The cleaning will be great.
        1. 0
          17 November 2016 03: 45
          When they found large amounts of cash $$$$ from other, less significant persons in the state, they always assumed financing of secret anti-state actions. Apparently now as well. Now when they found $$$$$ from Ksenia before, then there were audio on Riots. That's what !!!!!!
    4. +4
      16 November 2016 10: 19
      This news stirred up the Western media, including the largest
      But this is very significant. So it’s not so simple.
    5. 0
      20 November 2016 12: 46
      "And the king is naked!" He is not a poet, it turns out that he is just an idiot who has deceived himself with a liberal (not liberal) idea. Whoever can consciously leave their rotten paradigm will understand ...
  2. +14
    16 November 2016 09: 12
    Well! We stock up on popcorn and wait. We have already watched one performance (Serdyukov-Vasiliev). What will happen next? Honestly, if something like this happened at the ministerial level, then the head of government must somehow react. Of course, I do not expect him to shoot a bullet in the forehead, but he would have to answer for failures in the personnel policy.
    1. +6
      16 November 2016 09: 38
      Oh yeah! It's time for Mendel to change his profession ... and place of residence! ...
    2. +3
      16 November 2016 09: 50
      09.12/XNUMX. Maksud! About the performance is true. It seems that one group is fighting another. It is strange that he lost confidence in connection with a suspicion of bribery. At his post, according to the results of his work, he did not lose confidence. Anyway, the ministers have no demand for the work done. The whole result of the work, I’m nothing, these are global trends. It is necessary to look for the bottom and give forecasts. Some kind of heresy. It is necessary to set goals and achieve their implementation. And we have the whole government makes forecasts. In fact, floating by the will of the waves.
      1. 0
        16 November 2016 12: 21
        Quote: Region 34
        It seems that one group is fighting another.

        Many people just dream of presenting what happened in this way!
    3. +11
      16 November 2016 10: 34
      Maksud ... well, what was the performance according to Serdyukov?
      Just ask yourself questions. How long did Armata tank appear after the arrival of Shoigu?
      Why now and then completely new developments come up. who enter the army?
      You see, such things are not done on the knee for two months ...
      It seems to me that Serdyukov with his "women's battalion" is a classic cover operation.
      IMHO.
      1. +6
        16 November 2016 14: 30
        Work on "Armata", or rather on a tank with a capsule and an uninhabited tower, began in the 70s of the 20th century in the USSR, Morozov was still alive. By the end of the 80s, the appearance took shape. After 25 years, Russian designers simply needed to pack it into a more modern form and set up production. So Serdyukova's merits in the Armata tank are at a minimum.
        1. +1
          16 November 2016 21: 36
          Quote: cast iron
          Work on "Armata", or rather on a tank with a capsule and an uninhabited tower, began in the 70s of the 20th century in the USSR, Morozov was still alive. By the end of the 80s, the appearance took shape. After 25 years, Russian designers simply needed to pack it into a more modern form and set up production. So Serdyukova's merits in the Armata tank are at a minimum.

          Oh, do not lie - first you had to make a new engine, then a new transmission, then create a new gun, then an uninhabited tower and what else ... Afghanistan, Malachite, its own radar, new shells, BIUS, thermal imagers, new optics, the alloy itself the one used in Armata is unique - a layered cake that is protected from cumulative warheads by super-powerful magnetic fields (see the magnetostrictive effect) - they could hardly have dreamed of such a thing in the USSR - and all for anyone to say - but 20 was carried out work in the USSR years ago, and for modern designers everything was sd It’s a shame to do it ... it’s a shame - Serdyukov’s merit is of course at a minimum, but there is not much of the USSR.

          PS - Nikola Tesla, they say, was working on "deadly beams that can shoot down enemy squadrons for hundreds of kilometers" - maybe they were, but so what - when will such a weapon be created, we will declare everything Tesla's merit (with all due respect to him)?
  3. cap
    +8
    16 November 2016 09: 21
    In any case, the scandal with the former minister - a landmark. It is possible that other figures will fly for Ulyukaev and the next reshuffle will begin at a high level.
    Author: Oleg Chuvakin


    I can say I was pleased with this news. Maybe now, with the new leadership, the respected department will correctly calculate the inflation rate, or where is it, this mysterious Ulyukaev's "bottom", which we "reached" every year and began to grow.
    However, with such "travel", inflation is not particularly noticeable. The fact that it is business travelers will find out in the process. The man asked for an advance payment for a business trip, since the ATM does not issue currency in the evening, so he asked for money from Rosneft.)))
    1. +2
      16 November 2016 10: 13
      Ulyukaev got his. Hopefully, deservedly. But any scandal always has two sides. And for some reason, the prerequisites for extorting bribes do not seem so harmless. But frankly, the freaks of Sechin more and more resemble the freaks of Menshikov (not that of DOM2).
  4. +8
    16 November 2016 09: 23
    Yes, they will let him go ... and they will return the bribe ... And they’ll also apologize ..
    1. +2
      16 November 2016 10: 09
      This is vryatli. The detention of such a person without the sanction of the GDP is impossible. And if he gave such a sanction. then the case is closely monitored. And they will let him go, if only in the next world laughing
      1. +1
        16 November 2016 13: 39
        Aleksandr12
        And they will let him go, if only in the next world

        In the sense of being shot while trying to escape from under house arrest? laughing
        1. 0
          16 November 2016 13: 57
          Well, he might have a heart attack or stroke. Or simply the windows will jump out and break your neck smile
        2. +1
          16 November 2016 14: 04
          Quote: parusnik
          shoot when trying to escape from under house arrest?

          Why so rude? A "sufferer" can simply slip in the bathroom / shower / toilet and get a fracture of the temporal bone ...
          1. +1
            16 November 2016 15: 00
            Why so rude? The "sufferer" can slip corny in the bathroom / shower / toilet

            Yeah, and accidentally chokes on a scarf.
      2. +3
        16 November 2016 14: 32
        The storyteller and dreamer you. Serdyukov, too, could not be sent to court without the permission of the GDP. And he did not even get a fine for his ugliness. And the main culprit Vasiliev, so generally in the courtroom was released, after spending 2 years at home on the Internet.
        1. +1
          16 November 2016 16: 38
          Duc she also returned the money .. and Serdyukov was appointed to a new place ... It turns out funny .. for this case, a lot of witnesses, including those mentioned .. but the one who stole was not installed .. It seems to me with Ulyukaev, as with Khodorkovsky , blurted out too much about the president ...
          1. +2
            16 November 2016 16: 46
            Quote: parusnik
            as with Khodorkovsky, he blundered too much about the president ...

            - so Khodorkovsky was driven out just because he "blurted out" something ?!
            - fresh ... new ... already I can’t come to my senses good

            And as for the specific Ulyukaev, I repeat:
            - I am personally assigned to the drum, it will go to the bunks or to the Canaries
            - the main thing is that a worthy person takes the vacated place. Which will work for the good of the country, and not in your pocket
            - if this suddenly happens, everything else is already ... uninteresting.

            Somehow Yes
            1. +1
              16 November 2016 18: 08
              - so Khodorkovsky was driven out just because he "blurted out" something ?!
              ..Yes they just forgot .. he talked a lot there, how he will lead to a brighter future when he becomes president .. and a lot more and suddenly became a criminal, although he was one even when he did not dream about power ...
              1. +1
                16 November 2016 18: 25
                Quote: parusnik
                he talked a lot there, how he will lead to a brighter future when he becomes president

                - But Khodorkovsky did not prepare the sale of Yukos, by chance?
                - Or was it a slander erected on him? wassat
                1. +2
                  16 November 2016 19: 39
                  suddenly became a criminal, although he was one even then when he didn’t dream of power ... You read it to the end .. If only Serdyukov and Vasilyeva would have begun to declare political slogans ... would not have walked free, there were doves. .And so, well, they stole it .. the authorities don’t break ... we’ll just be heartfelt .. we’ll return the stolen goods .. And I also stole with Ulyukaev silently .. suffered, blurted out something .. about the authorities, swept it over ... but not steal a fic ... Here they will repent, let them go ... Or another political example .. Vostochny Cosmodrome ... they knew that they were stealing .. they suffered ... but they brought the situation to a social explosion, only then they would sit down ... they would steal a little .. they didn’t touch it. .We have a thief planted when the situation becomes critical or he gets into politics .. I waited, for example, when Belykh is noticed ... on an economic crime .. and swept away .. Power, acts smartly and very, we have no political opponents, there are thieves ..and right ... the same Khodor ... as he didn’t whistle in the West that he is political, but they don’t really trust him .. he sat on economic articles .. they’re so political, they don’t really need it, their theft is tarnished .. They don’t need such spots especially ..
                  1. +2
                    16 November 2016 19: 50
                    Quote: parusnik
                    suddenly became a criminal, although he was one even when he didn’t dream of power ... you read it to the end

                    - yes I read, that's true
                    - only another version is prettier to me:
                    - Khodorkovsky was preparing the sale of Yukos to a "foreign investor"
                    - Yukos is a big, big piece of Russian oil industry
                    - oil industry is a budget-forming industry in the Russian Federation

                    It was then that Hodor became a "criminal". And do not care where and what he said.

                    I was wrong? If so, where?
                    1. +1
                      16 November 2016 21: 23
                      I understand that in general do you agree with me? wink Only make ends meet with Hodor? .. wink .. Yes I wanted to take away .. yes they stopped .. but before that .. he honestly did everything? .. If not, why did not they stop? . Arranged? .. You are somehow trying to convict me of something. But it is strange that crooks in our country basically do not touch until they blur out something against the authorities. Abramovich is silent, invests money in Chukotka and he is good , honest. Probably even a patriot. Or Vekselberg, as many have written about him, I waited, they put him in jail .. An no .. I bought out Faberge products at the auction, returned them to the Motherland and fell silent, now infa slips so much that he again pierced, but the main thing is silent. But here's another case. .... There was such a bandit in St. Petersburg in the 90s .. by the name of Kumarin .. the leader of the "Tambov" group .. Two times was on trial, in both cases the witnesses refused to testify in court .. He was one of the co-founders of the oil refinery JSC "Kirishinefteorgsintez", and from 1998 to 2000 served as vice president of the St. Petersburg Fuel Company, which had strong ties with the mayor's office of St. Petersburg. But he did not give up his criminal activities. Maybe they stopped "persecuting" him .., he is not the only one such "millionaire", if at the beginning of 200 x did not appear in the Western press, articles about Kumarin's ties in the 90s with the then chairman of the St. Petersburg City Hall Committee for External Relations V.V. of the German real estate company SPAG, the co-owner of the enterprise, was the city hall, it was indicated that the group led by Kumarin established control over the company SPAG and used it for money laundering. And they took up this bandit in a dense ... In 1997, the jury acquitted Kumarin ... Soon after the acquittal of Kumarin by the jury against him began to formulate a new charge. Glushchenko, accused of the murder of Starovoitova, entered into a pre-trial plea agreement with the FSB investigation and called Kumarin the mastermind behind the murder. -x leaked some information to the Western press .. whether it is true or not .. it is unknown .. I would not have leaked it .. I was a respected businessman .. wink ..99% of the capital in Russia is not gained by honest means. And many had a hand in this dishonest path .. I am not sorry for Khodorkovsky, Ulikaev or Berezovsky .. and the rest .. Today I received a task from the authorities .. how to do it so that from 2017 there would be a loophole ... that it wouldn’t work according to Federal Law 44 ... that you could steal .. but even with this law you don’t steal much .. The enterprise is state-owned .. I’m looking for weighty evidence that everything .. the theft shop closes ... this boss won't like it .. but still ..
        2. +1
          16 November 2016 22: 38
          So maybe they were slightly punished and that they only worked for themselves, and not for enemies. And if there is a connection between Ulyukaev and billions of Zakharchenko? Why did you just cover your apartment with money? FSB merit? It’s just that I haven’t heard about Zakharchenko for a long time, and there’s no real desire to be interested in him specially.
  5. +6
    16 November 2016 09: 26
    Already under house arrest, I think paint for pictures and a camera for clips are on the way.
  6. +5
    16 November 2016 09: 27
    The lobbyist of the globalists was surrendered by the owners. A logical conclusion must follow, otherwise it makes no sense.
  7. +6
    16 November 2016 09: 31
    Dmitry Polevoy, chief economist at ING (Moscow), believes that the “worst scenario” could be the beginning of an “offensive” on liberals in the government.

    For me, this is the best.
    It is possible that other figures will fly behind Ulyukaev and regular permutations at a high level will begin.

    It would be nice to shake the arithmetic and change the position of the sums to change the amount after all.
  8. +9
    16 November 2016 09: 32
    The fact that Ulyukaev was shot is still half the battle. We will see who will be appointed. In my opinion, this will clarify a lot.
    1. +4
      16 November 2016 09: 42
      The reaction of kudrin and chubais is symptomatic.
      What will be the outcome?
  9. +10
    16 November 2016 09: 37
    Sechin's weakness is being late in rebuilding the Soviet oil and gas sector (from Berlin and Tehran to the Pacific Ocean).
    And he does not set a goal to restore and develop - to expand the spheres of influence (sales), otherwise the "partners" will get angry.
    When the "Desert Storm" 91 g began, my father said "how weak we became, in 79 g the sick Brezhnev murmured about the events in Iran" we will not allow war on our borders "and the Americans shut up, began to look for workarounds to free their hostages , as a result, unsuccessful "
  10. +18
    16 November 2016 09: 38
    Stole 1000 rubles - on the bunk. He stole 2 yam bucks - home. Lepota! And by law, after all. These are the laws in the Russian Federation. It is clear that the top authorities are squabbling over bold chunks. It is clear that a new stage of the take-away game has begun. But still funny. House arrest! In China, the execution, however, after the trial. And after the trial? Well, yes, the example of Vasilyeva is clear.
    How does this relate to the people? But no way. All the people in Russia in any way.
    But now the disgraced minstrel will be scribbling verses - I'm sitting behind bars in a dungeon damp ... Although what a dungeon is there ?!
    1. +3
      16 November 2016 09: 53
      As in the good old movie - "Sits? Well, this" man "? -In the village! Who will put him in! He is a monument!"
    2. +3
      16 November 2016 10: 36
      Quote: erased
      But still funny. House arrest!

      It’s just that there are in prison, there are already deputies and geburnators. There are also bumps from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Investigative Committee, prosecutors. Probably the state is afraid that they will create their own government in prison and elect a president.
    3. +4
      16 November 2016 13: 46
      Stole 1000 rubles - on the bunk. He stole 2 yam bucks - home.
      ... So everything is true ... a simple crook can steal 1000 r tokmo with a knife in the gateway ... and 2 lyama ... this is already an organization or organization .. that is, not just a crook with a knife .. and a high-ranking employee ... he will not rob with a knife on the street .. and he won’t .. he’s more comfortable in his office and will not use weapons such as a knife .. who is safer for the public, the one with the knife in the gateway or the one in the office with the secretary ..? Hence the corresponding punishment .. For the street, knife, gateway .. real time .. for the cabinet with the secretary public censure .. wink
  11. Ham
    +7
    16 November 2016 09: 40
    if I had a couple of lyamas in a zashashnik - I would also drop poems! and then all once and once ... you need to work ...
  12. +4
    16 November 2016 09: 45
    Quote: Spartanez300
    I doubt that the matter will be brought to the end, although everything is normal with the proof.

    Yes it's a pity. How many verses would be composed ... And if the real term were given, you look, and the artist’s talent would have opened ...
  13. +3
    16 November 2016 09: 46
    The lawyer Gridnev believes that everything that happened in the Rosneft office was "rigged."

    It’s just fine-tuned (at two o’clock in the morning I went for the money), just the frayer's greed ruined. However, he has a chance to get off with a light fright, let him hand over his accomplices, you look and count. Or maybe it was developed for this, given its greed.
  14. +6
    16 November 2016 09: 48
    Dmitry Polevoy, chief economist at ING (Moscow), believes that the “worst scenario” could be the beginning of an “offensive” on liberals in the government.

    Perhaps so, just one question: for whom is the "worst-case scenario"? For the people and the state - I doubt it, but if for the liberals and their pro-Western politics and economics, then I completely agree. It's time to gradually get rid of the liberals and give way to real statesmen who think primarily about the interests of the country, and not the West and their own pockets.
    1. +3
      16 November 2016 11: 49
      It’s time for Putin to declare to the government long ago that the stolen goods will be handed over to the treasury, until the morning of those who don’t surrender - blame yourself. In the morning we live an honest life, we shoot out those who disagree.
      1. +5
        16 November 2016 12: 56
        Come on you. Anyone who announces this will not live to see the morning. Be it at least 10 times Putin.
        1. 0
          16 November 2016 18: 19
          Quote: andrew42
          It’s time for Putin to declare to the government long ago that the stolen goods will be handed over to the treasury, until the morning of those who don’t surrender - blame yourself. In the morning we live an honest life, we shoot out those who disagree.

          Quote: andrew42
          Come on you. Anyone who announces this will not live to see the morning. Be it at least 10 times Putin.

          It was already. A monetary amnesty has already been announced for the "pumps" (with the extension of the deadline until December 31, 2015), someone even reacted, especially after the Russian oligarchs in Cyprus lost several (dozen) lards, but not all rushed to return the greens to the jurisdiction of Russia and hid the "hard-earned" money in other offshore companies and banks.
    2. +1
      16 November 2016 13: 01
      Quote: Seidel45
      It is time to gradually free themselves from the liberals and give way to real statesmen who think primarily about the interests of the country, not the West and their own pockets

      - the Minister of Education (and this is one of the key posts, if you think about the future) was recently replaced
      - Now they will replace the Minister of Economic Development
      - the tactic "grain by grain", one thought so?
      1. 0
        16 November 2016 18: 24
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - the tactic "grain by grain", one thought so?

        It looks more like a blow "with a sledgehammer on a coconut"))) ..... Since such a crash went rolling in the liberal camp, it seems that the blow hit the target.
  15. +1
    16 November 2016 09: 51
    Moreover, the Rosneft deal is recognized as legal and is not subject to investigation.

    Oh?
    Dmitry Polevoy, chief economist at ING (Moscow), believes that the “worst scenario” could be the beginning of an “offensive” on liberals in the government.

    Confused, my friend.

    In general, this is a murky business, like the whole of "our" liberal economy.
  16. +6
    16 November 2016 09: 56
    then ex-minister Ulyukaev is from a layer of “liberals” who, as you know, are skeptical about the economic prospects of the Russian Federation.


    Such people will certainly drown the economy of RUSSIA ... it's like Mr. Yes ... Kozyrev ... this fruit has moved to permanent residence in the United States and is now fattening there, not forgetting to pour mud on the country in which it has earned everything ... villain in a word ... no words ... ksati is also a chick of MGIMO ... this institution should pay attention to the political views of its graduates ... so that the betrayal of their country does not become a natural step for them.

    http://delyagin.ru/position/88202-nastoyashchij-a
    merikanetc-andrej-kozyrev-kak-finish-rossijskogo-
    liberastizma.html
  17. +10
    16 November 2016 09: 59
    The news in the morning made me cheer up.
    Something seems to me that we are on the verge of a huge hedgehog:
  18. +7
    16 November 2016 10: 07
    To be honest, once again he gets "information" in the media from "trusted sources" in the TFR or the FSB. Each Vasya Pupkin has his own source. I have as many as three sources sitting on a bench next to the entrance. Conspiracy under pensioners.
  19. +1
    16 November 2016 10: 17
    Yes, the poet was held. The question is whether they will be imprisoned or not. If this happens, it’s Ulyukaev’s innocent act and they will threaten him with just a finger. That means what the authorities are talking about simply demagogy. So my next vote is in question. hi
    1. +2
      16 November 2016 10: 30
      BOB044. Personally, I went to vote for the last time in 1995. Only then was there an item in the bulletin "Against all". Guess the first time where the check mark was put? Now vote, don't vote ...
    2. 0
      16 November 2016 18: 31
      Quote: BOB044
      Yes, the poet was held. The question is whether they will be imprisoned or not. If this happens, it’s Ulyukaev’s innocent act and they will threaten him with just a finger. That means what the authorities are talking about simply demagogy. So my next vote is in question.

      Here he has two options, either up to 15 years, or a fine in a hundred-fold bribe. Here I am personally for a fine - I will return $ 200 million to the budget and let it roll, I create an IP or work as an accountant in the office of the Horn and Hooves.
  20. +9
    16 November 2016 10: 23
    Here, not everything is as simple as it seems, Ulyukaev, like Chubais, are proteges and conductors of U.S. policy and not only them. A change of power in the U.S. probably gives Russia a chance to get out of colonial dependence on the U.S., only the blind did not see who the Gaidar reformer team works for and against. And whether Ulyukaev will be imprisoned or not is not the main thing, the main thing is that he dropped out of the big political game against Russia.
  21. +6
    16 November 2016 10: 24
    The great and terrible Ulyukaev, pressed the state corporation Rosneft, and with it the small and defenseless Sechin. Where to laugh then?
    1. 0
      16 November 2016 16: 17
      As you read the word "shovel", you can hahahashki too (exactly through A) bully
      And so, in a fog everything ...
  22. +2
    16 November 2016 10: 30
    Interestingly, no one else has done skiing? Or while the suitcases have been prepared, but the thought goes on the character.
  23. +9
    16 November 2016 10: 35
    Ulyukaev, like Kudrin, and Gref, etc., are people from the "glorious cohort" of "geniuses of monetarism", that is, people for whom there is only a "virtual economy" based on "virtual money supply" and on "paper indicators." language - "virtual economy" is an economy of "money", where everything and everyone is considered according to figures based on the amount of "money" circulating or spent in a particular area, such an economy is based not on real production, but on "beautiful numbers" " turnover of "virtual" (why virtual? Yes, because the "exchange value" has nothing to do with the "real" value) of the money supply that someone "draws." Ulyukaev and others like him have recently developed "recommendations" and "forecasts" for the development of our economy. Obviously, the president is tired of reading once again how he is "recommended" to "develop the banking sector" with multibillion injections, "to reduce by any means the amount of money supply in the country", to increase "investment pr and the attractiveness of the country "by maintaining" poor "salaries in the country, getting rid of costly" defense "and any" social spending ", etc." ingenious "" recommendations "in the same spirit.
    1. +4
      16 November 2016 12: 18
      Verb correctly. It is painful to watch them suffer at meetings, they are afraid to raise their eyes. Their cervical vertebrae do not hurt so bending their heads.
    2. +2
      16 November 2016 12: 58
      I would like to believe that I’m really tired.
    3. cap
      +2
      16 November 2016 13: 31
      Quote: Snail N9
      Obviously, the president is tired of reading once again how he is "recommended" to "develop the banking sector" with multibillion injections, "to reduce by any means the amount of money supply in the country", to increase the "investment attractiveness of the country" by maintaining "poor" salaries in the country, to get rid of costly " defense "and from any" social spending "and so on." genius "" recommendations "in the same spirit.



      So many letters used, but it can be much simpler:
      -1. Uploaded
      -2.divided
      -3. eaten
      And then, 123,123,123 and so on until you get bored. That's the whole monetary economy.
      The most difficult point 2 here is not to please everyone, no matter how hard you try.
    4. +2
      16 November 2016 17: 37
      Snail 9 Your comment is very interesting, you are logical. But this is not typical for the top. Of course, they are friends with the head, only there in the first place is indefatigable greed, and then the general scheme of capital export as the most valuable, the children have settled there for a long time and further actions are to maintain loyalty to those who depend on being comfortably arranged there, over the hill .
      No one at the helm of those who might think it is wild that the Minister of Economic Development is digging somewhere at the bottom, the economy has passed the bottom or failed, if it passes the bottom and does not get stuck in mud, it pops up itself, since when is development at the bottom ? It’s the same that a high jumper is considered promising, because buried deeper than all in the sand, and not jumping to a height. And this ministry seems to be working, looking intensely for the bottom. At least DAM does not exactly understand this. And the rest also does not care what will happen to Russia, they jump from one stool to another.
  24. +4
    16 November 2016 10: 38
    Poet and citizen. Like ... Banogo Efremov's "citizen poet" ... Now the citizen poet is under arrest. Something liberal comprador-thieves gang as a selection of all "highly spiritual." How much can we, quilted jackets do after a working day thousand for as much as 15 rubles. Remember, there was already one pompous poet and artist sitting there. Not long truth. And here, too, like water off a duck's back? I bet - there won't be any 15 years. Criminal case IMHO here is a tool of dismissal. It has already happened.
  25. +3
    16 November 2016 10: 38
    Oh, how many "people" rushed in defense. And all, as one, turned out to be experts on bribes - they say, 2 million is "pocket money". And how do they all know what rank officials take? what
    I would be interested in the place of the prosecutor’s office ...
    1. +1
      16 November 2016 22: 22
      The main thing is to figure out how much the prosecutor’s office takes.
  26. 0
    16 November 2016 10: 45
    This news stirred up the Western media, including the largest. Journalists and analysts began to wonder: what will happen in Russia next?
    When they awaited a court decision, maybe someone was nervous, but after the verdict he was guilty of house arrest, calmed down. False alarm!
  27. 0
    16 November 2016 10: 49
    http://glance-news.com/50041-sechin-obyavil-putin
    u-voinu-pochemu-zaderzhali-ministra-ulyukaeva-ful
    l.html

    interesting version.
  28. +5
    16 November 2016 10: 50
    It is clear that it’s not a matter of bribes, two leamas - this is what is called "on the tram".
    But nevertheless, do not mind Uncle Lyosha ...
    It’s a pity that only one was raked.
    And everyone is worthy!
    Right from the government meeting you can pack everyone into funnels and quarries ...
    And on the way, load the "fellow travelers": governors, mayors and other trash, up to the heads of consumer supervision and housing inspectors.
  29. +2
    16 November 2016 10: 57
    Ulyukaev’s defense says that he was carrying a case with a million, but he didn’t touch the money in it - like the former minister wasn’t used to wearing kg bricks in 10 cases at night laughing
  30. +2
    16 November 2016 11: 00
    A strange story. Instead of taking it after receiving the full amount and delivering it home, they shot it in the air and said hands up. Because of this, the whole story looks like a clean setup.
  31. +1
    16 November 2016 11: 04
    So Ulyukaev is a poet, and Vasilyeva also seems to have sinned with something, with painting? Arrests greatly contribute to the development of creative natures. Chubais, what's the soul?
    1. +2
      16 November 2016 13: 00
      The composer disappears. No one else.
    2. +1
      16 November 2016 18: 37
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So Ulyukaev is a poet, and Vasilyeva also seems to have sinned with something, with painting? Arrests greatly contribute to the development of creative natures. Chubais, what's the soul?

      Tolyan (also a junior researcher) in five minutes with nano-brushes so he will draw a buck, you can’t tell the difference from the present ........
      1. 0
        16 November 2016 19: 05
        Does he need it? Tassels. A sheet of blank paper, Parker, and ... Get hundreds of tons of greenery. There were brushes at school.
  32. +1
    16 November 2016 11: 10
    Quote: Bolhevik
    Interestingly, no one else has done skiing? Or while the suitcases have been prepared, but the thought goes on the character.

    What do you? The main issue of raising salaries for deputies has not yet been resolved. After all, they starve to live and work for the good of the country only 160 thousand a month, but at least 220 are needed!
    1. +3
      16 November 2016 11: 50
      And what are you scoffing at, I think that 220 is really a minimum, I would not work for less money.
    2. cap
      +1
      16 November 2016 13: 39
      Quote: rus-5819
      Quote: Bolhevik
      Interestingly, no one else has done skiing? Or while the suitcases have been prepared, but the thought goes on the character.

      What do you? The main issue of raising salaries for deputies has not yet been resolved. After all, they starve to live and work for the good of the country only 160 thousand a month, but at least 220 are needed!


      I also think 220 is enough, another phase in the other hand, then just right.))))
  33. +3
    16 November 2016 11: 46
    "It is also strange that it was about a couple of million dollars - money that for many Russian officials, who openly swim in luxury, are pocket money."

    But from this place please read more!
    That is, our government, at a time when the country is in their own words in a severe economic crisis, considers 2 million US dollars as pocket money for HIMSELF favorite !!!!! THIS IS ALREADY NOT IN ANY ORDER OF ORDER! For such words alone it is necessary to shoot on the spot without trial or investigation! Like the Philippines for drugs. Otherwise, Russia will not be a great country, but citizens will be free people.

    ps. This poop has an official salary per month, how much the average Russian earns in 1,5 - 2 years. Think gentlemen.
  34. +5
    16 November 2016 11: 49
    Comrades officers, you make a mistake all the time (discussing they will not be planted).
    Do you think that the state is interested in landing corrupt officials. This is wrong.
    The state is interested in preventing corruption, that is, corrupt officials could not carry out their activities.
    Feel the difference?
    Your sense of justice or envy (anyone like) the state will never be taken into account. And it never took into account - neither in the USSR nor in the Russian Empire. If an indicative landing is required, they will choose not at all the one who is fair, but famous.

    Therefore, forget about "where the landing", they can be without fighting corruption, and vice versa, the fight can be without landing, and maybe both.
  35. +1
    16 November 2016 11: 52
    will be like Khrushchev at the cottage calmly write memoirs.
  36. +3
    16 November 2016 11: 53
    Grigory Yavlinsky admits that the Kremlin did not like the latest forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade that in the next twenty years Russia will face stagnation. The forecast could cause irritation and is regarded as disloyalty. “Night, arrest, minister ... Everyone should know: anything can happen to anyone at any time. Here is the main message. When there is less and less money to buy loyalty, there should be more fear. This is how the authoritarian system works. ”
    Well, what is surprising if the economy is really so dependent on oil that just a little, the national currency immediately fell twice? It is necessary to develop the economy, not wait for a crisis, and this should have been done yesterday, when oil prices allowed. Yavlinsky, even then, proposed his program "Land. Houses. Roads."
    1. +8
      16 November 2016 13: 02
      There was a raking five. Egorushka Gaidar was the thumb, and Grisha Yavlinsky was the little finger. Found, UNDERSTAND, the savior of the economy. 500 days still remember - together we will laugh.
  37. +1
    16 November 2016 11: 56
    Or maybe everything is much simpler? Maybe all the "cheese boron" is due to the fact that Ulyukaev is on the board of directors of such odious companies as VTB, Gazprom, and someone "powerful" decided to remove him from there?
  38. +6
    16 November 2016 12: 05
    Ulyukaev, Ulyukaev ...
    Until Gorbachev is a traitor and a renegade, arrested, convicted and punished, you can close the prosecutor's office, courts, police and prisons.
  39. 0
    16 November 2016 12: 07
    h. 6 tbsp. 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is a very serious charge, and people like A. Ulyukaev just do not leave, the continuation will be unambiguous, and we should not forget about the President’s December message, and he will certainly have something to say
  40. +3
    16 November 2016 12: 17
    Everyone should know: anything can happen to anyone at any time. .... This is how an authoritarian system works

    Yes, in fact, any management system is authoritarian! Command --- execution, with intermediate links. "When I say - jump! - you can only ask: how high?" - no more ... Otherwise - and there will be no control! And it will be what is happening in the Russian government and government - sheer democracy and liberalism! We sit down, develop and think over plans and prospects - jointly and collectively, mind you! - we make decisions; and one of the main performers - Gref there, Kudrin or Ulyukaev, seems to agree, but ... BUT! Has on this occasion its own, qualified and individually democratic-liberal ... what else? - opinion! And most importantly, he performs what was accepted at a high level / collegially / with discussion ... and te de - in his own way, i.e. "exactly the opposite"!
    -------------
    ... it's just called - a mess! I won’t specify how more cultured ...
    ... Well, get out of the seat, sit, think ... You can - in the reception room, or in the hallway, or even away somewhere ...
  41. +1
    16 November 2016 12: 21
    Such “honored” approximates discredit all the power of Russia.
  42. +1
    16 November 2016 12: 31
    Planted and right!
  43. 0
    16 November 2016 13: 32
    A third-grader poem. And they already left for the redhead.
  44. +2
    16 November 2016 13: 38
    The poet sat down, a little minister,
    Touching the boxes with the dough.
    He didn’t take from fuel cans,
    I did not expect such a bummer.
    The soul of the poet did not take out
    Such greed RosneftI.
    After all, the Lord bequeathed to share?
    The poet said: "Let's pay ..."
    Sat down! .. sob now,
    And the liberals are a miserable choir,
    Chubais lying moans?
    The poet will be sentenced!
    Well? have fun ... - he is tormented
    I could not bear the Russians:
    Fading economical genius
    Faded development wreath.
    P.S. It didn’t go any further. Whoever has the desire, continue.
    1. +2
      16 November 2016 14: 20
      Quote: Sunflower
      P.S. It didn’t go any further. Whoever has the desire, continue.

      Alas, icing in the country
      Stand on the rails of a train
      Dull "Rain" bay
      The pier covers everyone "... yes"
      "The scribe" crept up unnoticed
      But we should steal less
      Do not steal at all, specifically!
      Then you will sleep peacefully.
      Comrades, Ches / word once! Next ... who will support ...
      1. 0
        17 November 2016 07: 41
        Well done, I envy you!
  45. 0
    16 November 2016 13: 57
    Quote: rvRomanoff
    Ulyukaev got his. Let's hope - deservedly

    In my opinion, this is not even the case in Ulyukaev. Corruption is rampant in the country. Officials take tens of millions of rubles and millions of dollars and euros. But the struggle is not waged. And Ulyukaev was sacrificed.
    It will be a shame if it ends only with this minister! We made a noise, showed the fight against corruption and everything will calm down! For three years, there are 2-3 governors, 1 minister and from the heels of generals and colonels. angry hi
    1. +3
      16 November 2016 19: 05
      Quote: fa2998
      In my opinion, this is not even the case in Ulyukaev. Corruption is rampant in the country. Officials take tens of millions of rubles and millions of dollars and euros. But the struggle is not waged. And Ulyukaev was sacrificed.
      It will be a shame if it ends only with this minister! We made a noise, showed the fight against corruption and everything will calm down! For three years, there are 2-3 governors, 1 minister and from the heels of generals and colonels.

      Ulyukaev is one of those who created this system and is working hard to preserve it in the name of the United States and the Federal Reserve. It seems that the matter will not end there, because the moment is ripe to break this system, or the system will break the state. Judge for yourself - there is a crisis in the country, the purchasing power of the population is falling, food prices, tariffs for housing and communal services, medicines are growing, and the economic block of the government does nothing to develop the real sector of the economy, but only invents schemes for taking money from the population through various innovations such as cadastral valuation of real estate , and other "innovations". GDP requires the execution of the May decrees, but they are ignored and under various pretexts remain unfulfilled. There is 1,5 years left before the elections, and the government is "stupid" and methodically pursuing a policy that causes irritation and discontent among the masses, who do not particularly delve into the fact that the president is more responsible for foreign policy than for domestic policy, for which there is this very government. Well, and if the government has lost the instinct of self-preservation and almost without hiding it conducts an anti-state policy and anti-people reforms, if all issues in the economy must be resolved by the president manually, then why do you need this pack of "assistants"? We must help this government to liquidate. The first went, the rest feverishly think over the escape routes, if they have time ...
  46. +2
    16 November 2016 14: 23
    Has it really begun?
    "Searches are underway in the office of Rusnano"
    https://ria.ru/incidents/20161116/1481487459.html
    laughing
  47. 0
    16 November 2016 14: 54
    Grigory Yavlinsky admits that the Kremlin did not like the latest forecast by the Ministry of Economic Development that stagnation awaits Russia in the next twenty years.


    Even so, why do we need such a block of economic development?
  48. +2
    16 November 2016 15: 12
    The liberals / democrats howled, whistled!
    The time has passed for financial speculators, exchange players, financial-credit-money-distributing structures. Today they are still (so far?) Called banks.
    In America, Mr. Trump became President thanks to the support of the "white" working class, people who want to get decent pay for a job well done. Whom the media presents as "protesters" - any colored bastard living on social benefits (read - at the expense of white hard workers) and ignoramuses who, due to their age, simply have not yet understood the joy of free labor and decent remuneration.
    President Trump is a diligent student and a worthy successor to Henry Ford's theory of economic development.
    Our President, believe me, no worse than Mr. Trump (or vice versa) understands that today we are talking about the fate of HUMAN CIVILIZATION in general! And He makes a decision based on the "real combat situation". Without preparation, "at sight", because time is limited.
    Therefore, the methods of street fighting, cruel, merciless, battle are used not for life, but for death.
    Here, guys from the media, why don't you study History? It is never new, unexpected, or unpredictable. History always repeats itself, so-called times come. socialists, and gentlemen journalists have a chance to once again become the "voice of the people."
    What I sincerely wish them, as well as advise to consider the "Ulyukaev case" as an act of cleansing the State from adhered and other worms.
    1. +3
      16 November 2016 17: 12
      President Trump is a diligent student and a worthy successor to Henry Ford's theory of economic development.
      What is it to us? Will Donia deal with our problems? Will change our economic course? Will our economy get out of the ass, where did it get through the efforts of the Medvedev government and the satisfied President Putin?
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      the time of the so-called socialists

      Evo how? And who are these socialists? [
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      And He makes a decision based on the "real combat situation". Without preparation, "at sight", because time is limited.

      That is, as urine hits the head. The lot of those who are unable to develop and implement their own strategy. Yesterday "North Wind" and "Voentorg", today on the knee "Minsk", yesterday rescue with fanfare and television cameras of one plant in a monotown, today hundreds of bankruptcies.
      Quote: capitosha1rang
      I advise you to consider the "Ulyukaev case" as an act of cleansing the State from adhered and other worms.

      See the Oboronservice case.
    2. +1
      17 November 2016 07: 51
      These techniques, as you put it, 'street fighting' should have been applied at least 5 years ago. Even before the announcement of the desire to create the BRICS, then it was necessary to purge the agents of influence. And then they started a stupid fight when some of their own military leaders are trying to stick a knife into our liver. Domestic policy is very stupidly organized.
  49. +1
    16 November 2016 16: 29
    One says: Ulyukaev threatened Rosneft and extorted a bribe. (Apparently, I ceased to understand something in this world.) But we haven’t heard another yet! ”

    Oh, what a pity that the FSB is not a RUSNANO division, otherwise it would certainly report to A, Chubais as to the Prosecutor General! laughing
  50. +3
    16 November 2016 17: 55
    Quote: bk316
    And what are you scoffing at, I think that 220 is really a minimum, I would not work for less money.

    My friend, I’m not scoffing, I was just mistaken: the deputy’s salary is now only 800 rubles, but the content is one! MP costs about 000 mil. rub per month!
    I completely agree with you, it’s a sin to work for such money!
    Therefore, there is a decision to raise the salary of state officials in 2017 (and deputies among them)!
  51. +2
    16 November 2016 19: 35
    They made the old man laugh! Roldugin stole $2 billion offshore!!!!!!!!! You have an order for this! Ulyukaev allegedly stole 2 million dollars (1000 times less), you are under house arrest!!! An unemployed man stole a loaf of bread and a loaf of sausage, you have 3 years of strict imprisonment!!! This is the fight against corruption!
  52. +1
    16 November 2016 20: 20
    The struggle of the “elites” and the sharing of the people’s property is presented as a fight against corruption. Well, be glad that Sechin is taking over the entire oil industry. What does this mean to the people??? It’s funny to me when a minister comes to the Rosneft office for money and is accepted there))) 2 million !!!should we put this in kg? Please turn on your brains....
  53. +1
    16 November 2016 20: 26
    so what? one was removed, the other will be installed, and the cart will continue to ride on 3 wheels. the fourth was lost somewhere along the way in 86-94. but blacksmiths don’t make a new wheel, however.
  54. +4
    16 November 2016 20: 45
    The most unpleasant thing is that after months of being absorbed by all the media with the details of this topic - house arrest in a castle near Moscow with all the delights for a year or two (which until the trial and the case are over). They’ll say that on TV, but in real life it’ll be the same in the Canary Islands. But in fact, the result is mockery of ordinary people.

    If a person takes a bribe, he harms society. If a minister takes a bribe, the damage caused exceeds any reasonable limits. I think this case falls under the definition of “Treason,” and in a parallel universe he would have been shot the day after the trial, and the next day there would have been half as many bribe-takers! And the economy would grow at an accelerated pace.
    1. 0
      18 November 2016 19: 28
      We created a parallel universe in 91. And now we have capitalism, a free market. And don’t stop respected people from receiving their gesheft.
      1. 0
        19 November 2016 16: 48
        I doubt it very much, in 91 the country was in agony. but they gradually pro******ed it from the 60s.
        1. 0
          19 November 2016 16: 54
          Well, formally it began with the 22nd Congress of the CPSU (1961). But until the 80s there was a chance to correct the situation. Until 91, there was a chance to keep at least the country within the borders of the Union. And now, with such a course, we are heading towards the option that we will be stupidly devoured by our partners in the political process. The Chinese comrades acted wiser...
  55. +3
    16 November 2016 21: 06
    It will happen again, as with Vasilyeva.
  56. +3
    16 November 2016 22: 48


    Let them not touch this order bearer...
  57. +1
    16 November 2016 23: 51
    On the eve of the upcoming events in the spring of 2017, most likely caused by global confrontation in the world, Russia cannot afford such a liberal, or rather pro-Western, government. Moreover, the current liberals have no masters, Trump won, and the geopolitical situation in the world will change dramatically, with the replacement of globalist governments by national ones in Europe Marie Le Pen, Victor Urban, Trump in the USA, Xi Jian Ping in China, Russia - Putin. Liberals are beginning to experience persecution in the world and this is just the beginning.
    1. 0
      18 November 2016 19: 26
      When you speak, it feels like you are delirious. What kind of persecution of liberals? That Medvedev and VVP left their posts? Have we started checking the legality of privatization? What does China have to do with it? There is actually a Communist Party at the helm, what kind of liberals are there? The liberals there ended at Tiananmen Square in '89. In France, socialists are now at the helm. Where are the liberals? Well, your claims that Trump will change something in the world is simply infantilism. He won't decide. The president is not a dictator. He is simply an influential person in the US political tangle. The United States is a very inert and conservative country politically.
      1. 0
        8 December 2016 16: 03
        time will tell who's delusional
  58. 0
    17 November 2016 08: 53
    Grigory Yavlinsky admits that the Kremlin did not like the latest forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development that stagnation awaits Russia in the next twenty years. The forecast could cause irritation and be seen as disloyalty.

    What did you smoke?
  59. 0
    17 November 2016 13: 24
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: 210ox
    At noon they will gather .. Probably decide who else to "drop" .. I would suggest "mushroom" ..

    Ryzhik already hiccuped today. His NASU has already been taken out from under the roof of the Ulyukaev Ministry of Economic Development. Following probably auditors from the Accounts Chamber will rush to visit him))).

    Chubais will not be touched under any circumstances until the Americans give the go-ahead.
  60. BAI
    0
    18 November 2016 09: 24
    In fact, one expert said that $2 million is the USUAL price for a deal of this level. Those. - this is the NORMAL life!
    1. -1
      18 November 2016 11: 35
      No, not enough for such a rank. For a long time now, no one has taken kickbacks in cash - everything is done “in an adult way” - already washed “clean” through a company affiliated for this purpose. Most likely, the man was slipped the “handbag” as a simple “tip”; he is a poor fellow and fell for the “kindness”. lol
  61. +1
    18 November 2016 19: 15
    I think I will understand and forgive! Honestly, it’s not 37 now. Well, dear man, I made a mistake, why should I immediately imprison him? There's no point in rocking the boat. Just appoint somewhere in the state. corporation, let him work like Serdyukov at Rostec.

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