On the first combat use of the P-800 "Onyx"

The Russian Defense Ministry continued to publish materials on the use of new weapons against militants in Syria. In particular, this is the first in stories the use of supersonic medium-range missiles P-800 "Onyx" in combat conditions. The attacks were made on the objects of terrorists in the SAR using the coastal missile systems "Bastion".

The manufacturer of the missile P-800 "Onyx" - NPO Strela. The missiles are operated not only in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but also in countries such as Vietnam and Indonesia. Maximum speed at height - 2,6 M.

The presented video also shows photos from Russian drones, on which (on the photo) you can see the results of strikes with Kalibr and Onyx missiles at infrastructure facilities of illegal armed groups.

Liberal users have already managed to announce that the Ministry of Defense "deliberately subjected video footage to the installation due to missile strikes." And here those “experts” should be asked a couple of questions: where do they get the data on what specific targets were hit and where should the missiles be sent to, and why, if “missiles missed”, there are no “reporters” reports from the scene Dzhebhat an-Nusra "with joyful cries about the" blunders "? ..

Comments

[Andrey Yuryevich]

it starts beautifully! ... for whom an angel, and for whom a demon ...

[RussianRoulette]

Beauty .. and terrible power!

[Dangerous]

Well, where is Onyx really hitting? It would be interesting to see the result of its application. And who can tell what the permissible deviation of the caliber is? Well, they really smear! Now to the edge of the building, then to the fence. Apparently, the headquarters of illegal armed groups did not get hit. Now, of course, they will write here that, they say, there is such a force that windows and walls were knocked out, etc., but damn it, all the same, after all! And if it were not for the headquarters of the militants, but the command center of our beloved "partners" was, with all its fortifications and bunkers? With such a hit, nothing would have happened to them.
PS The Defense Ministry is still well done that they upload all the videos, uncensored

[Muvka]

I'm not sure that the Ministry of Defense would post a video where they "smear". Maybe you just don't know where they were aiming?

[Monarchist]

Yeah, they are deliberately in the garden of a neighbor's snowstorm. A dangerous one thinks right

[oblako]

Civilians are cherished, the rest are scared!))) To the fence!

[dog]

He thinks dangerous, missiles miss, MO is lying !!! How to live now? !!

[corporal]

Quote: Muvka

Maybe you just don’t know where they were aiming?

I remember that the Yankees about the SIM-3 tests also said that at the last moment they removed the kinetic block from a collision with a target ....
Accordingly, we specifically aim at the fence.

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

America also experienced rocket launch from a ship. On vidio showed - how it flies, and then no one was shown. One could see from the faces of the team how they were dying with laughter. Probably 200 meters fell. They wrote - the tests were successful, they got into the fish.

[Philip Staros]

There are two shoals from the video of the strikes: firstly, they are removed from the drones ... and it turns out that the center of the UAV frame is in one place, and the explosion in another - looks like a miss past the "sight".
Secondly, there in the deserts it is customary to BURGER underground. As a result, real goals are often "under the wasteland" and this must be SPEAKED.

[nizrum]

In my opinion, the accuracy of + -10 m for such missiles is quite decent. If you look at this, then do not smear.

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

For such a rocket, 10 m is nothing. From one kinetic blow - more will raise the area. One bullet 7.62 dust per meter raises. If she spent 400 kg in it, I can imagine what it is.

[andrew42]

Yes, not a bit missed. This is the old OTR 8K14 (to Oka, di Iskander) and it was +/- 50 meters at a distance of 280 km. Since then, OTR, and even more so, the accuracy of the order of magnitude went ahead, and over much longer distances.

[DenZ]

Quote: Dangerous

Now, of course, they will write here that, they say, there is such a force that windows and walls are pushed up and so on, but damn, anyway, it's past !!

Naturally write. The rocket hits the edge of the building on a horizontal path. Thus, the entire shock wave goes inside the building.

Quote: Dangerous

And if it were not for the headquarters of the militants, but the command center of our beloved "partners" was, with all its fortifications and bunkers? With such a hit, nothing would have happened to them.

Oh, if only! Oh, if only ... (whatever else was used then. For "probable friends" good is not a pity)

[tilovaykrisa]

I have another question, why should I use coastal anti-ship system to beat bearded men ?? it is not created for this in the end, or caliber do not have time to do?

[alexmach]

In general, some kind of stupidity. Is this a recognition of a violation of the contract for limiting the RMND? And why do this?

[spravochnik]

In general, some kind of stupidity. Is this a recognition of a violation of the contract for limiting the RMND? And why do this?

What is the violation ?. Allowed range not exceeded.

[mishaia_23]

Actually, these are tests in combat conditions for further modernization.

[sufix]

Use ammunition with suitable dates - 1, train drugs in real combat conditions - 2, collect data for further developments - 3.

[Bratkov Oleg]

Pindocs launched 59 missiles, and 36 hit on the way.
Will pindocs conclude?

[adept666]

I have another question, why should I use coastal anti-ship system to beat bearded men ??

Because such a function was originally included in the performance characteristics. It is called that: a universal operational-tactical anti-ship missile system. And why beat them exactly when there is the same Caliber? Well, at least for the fact that, for example, you receive information that somewhere in bunker N bad comrades are gathering for an operational meeting and at the same time there is a need because of any military-political risks to notify your um ... "partners" about the one where they were going to shoot, and your "partners" immediately pour out information to bad people that the RK will work on them. So let's calculate how much time bad people have to get rid of, if they work from a distance of 100 km. Onyx speed on night vision device ~ 2M (at this altitude, the speed of sound is ~ 1200 km / h, 2 * 1200 = 2400 km / h). Those. bad people only have about 2,5 minutes to get out ...

[meandr51]

For combat training.

[SSR]

how many times to say that + × this is a crosshair of a drone and not a rocket and not a target marker but an approximate place! and missiles and bombs are induced from other sources !!!!

[soaring]

Well, some do not understand that a picture is a drone, and a missile is guided by its data and other systems. Read, finally, people and understand who is smearing or not, how and when ...

[kirieeleyson]

A high explosive penetrating radius of up to 60 meters is guaranteed, and there 200 kg warhead, which is about 70-90 meters in radius. It all depends on the target designation, workshop or office building? Of course, the workshop. Disguised hangar, half-bombarded with sand and earth, or a number of outbuildings? Of course, the first. I would also like to see how the real blow of the ODAB-500PM looks on the frames, for example, but still we will be realistic.

[Yuyuka]

I would also like to see how the real blow of the ODAB-500PM looks on the frames, for example, but still we will be realistic.

fear your desires they, too, were eager to see and shoot blunders on the video ... they even took a close-up shot of the arrival from below ... they just won’t manage to see it ... they haven’t yet invented technologies for recovering video from dust

[opus]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, where is the Onyx hit really?

3М55 -KPR (target to board), it has a specific flight profile: Lo-H - Lo or Lo-Lo-Lo
5-15 meters when approaching a target, at supersonic speed (2-3 thousand km / h). Neither you nor the UAV "saw" anything, consider it flew into the warehouse gate. Warhead-200kg Type of warhead - penetrating (cumulative)
3М55 does not have a CVO, but the probability of a given ESR hitting the target

Quote: Dangerous

And who can tell what tolerance the caliber has?

3M-14 for "all" KVO 5 m

For us, it seems 2-3m
BF OF about 500kg

Quote: Dangerous

anyway after all by !!

and where by?

You confuse the place where the UAV lens sight is looking and the place of impact

[faridg7]

Quote: Dangerous

And if it were not for the headquarters of the militants, but the command center of our beloved "partners" was, with all its fortifications and bunkers?

Then the b / h for the missiles would be special and the partners would have had enough

[kirieeleyson]

in special warheads on calibers, the power is rumored to be much more serious than the expected tactical nuclear warhead charge. And the weight of the rocket is lighter, respectively, the range and speed are higher.

[Philip Staros]

Actually, everything was known by Calibres years (!) Before Syria ... Someone believed, someone "did not believe" and then wondered ... In general, there is a complete analogy with Tamaghawks practically - 1500-1600 km. with explosives and 2500 with "not a peaceful atom".

[drunkram]

At the headquarters of the IAF were perfect. What are you speaking about? An underground bunker smashed to pieces, maybe you thought that the headquarters of this building is nearby?

[Yarhann]

the rocket flies to where it was given target designation - it is necessary to look for flights and shortages in this direction - where does this infa come from and it's simple - all missiles are made the same way and if in many cases they hit the target exactly as if outwardly and in other cases xs somewhere The answer is an obvious problem with the accuracy of target designation.
Mattress missiles also miss like their bombs go wrong - not because they fly to them wrong but because of incorrect direction indications.
The biggest problem with precision weapons is precisely the exact determination of the coordinates of the target, and it is precisely the errors in this matter that lead to misses.
And it is necessary to use the WTO precisely in order to work out the target designation system to find the causes of inaccuracies in obtaining the coordinates of targets, etc.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, really smeared! Now to the edge of the building, then to the fence. Apparently they didn’t get to the headquarters of the illegal armed groups. Now, of course, they will write here that, they say, there is such a force that windows and walls are pushed up and so on, but damn, anyway, it's past !!

Actually, "Onyx" is an anti-ship missile, and if it is used over "areas", oh!
And if you can’t get where you need to, then two times oh.

Quote: Dangerous

PS The Defense Ministry is still well done that they upload all the videos, uncensored

Are you sure?

[Vlad.by]

Well, it started! PROSRALIPOLYMERS!
Onyx is not a highly specialized RCC - it is a UNIVERSAL missile system, in the first place. The ability to strike ground targets was laid in the TTX from the very beginning.

[simara]

at the bottom wrote

[Varaga]

Do not tryndi. Tryndelka liberal. So everyone told you ...

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, really smeared! Now to the edge of the building, then to the fence. Apparently they didn’t get to the headquarters of the illegal armed groups.

STRATEGIST!!!!! Here you go and get yourself. And there is nothing to blame. On the sofa, it is easy to condemn ...

[Titsen]

Quote: RussianRoulette

Beauty .. and terrible power!

Beauty is a necessary thing, but not basic.

The main thing is that all this "beauty" WORKS, and works as it should!

[Bykov.]

0: 19 Was it the very schools and hospitals that, according to the State Department, destroyed our air forces?

[Monarchist]

And didn’t you see the crying children there (though I didn’t see it either)? What to expect from the barmaley nannies

[210ox]

And what are they, the liberals had to say about this ?? Just pour a bucket of slop .. All right, you need to test weapons in a combat situation ..

[210ox]

From the "Grigorovich" volley.

[Alex 2016]

Totally agree with you. Liberasts must be expelled to their beloved countries of shit democracy. They only know how to deal with everything, but they cannot do something really useful for the country.

[210ox]

Alexei, I am quite critical of our leadership and, in particular, of patience with all Venedict and others like him. Well, you do not like this regime, and our country is ideal for you to the West .. Well, live there .. That's only grants for this will not be given there ..

[Yuyuka]

Totally agree with you. Liberasts must be expelled to their beloved countries of shit democracy. They only know how to deal with everything, but they cannot do something really useful for the country.

yes I do not agree! .. with wallpaper! (with) Why send these clowns ?? they should be a visual aid and warning ... so that we don’t forget what the desire to abandon our origins leads to cheap stuff in the form of a feeding shit

[Luga]

Quote: Yuyuka

Totally agree with you. Liberasts must be expelled to their beloved countries of shit democracy. They only know how to deal with everything, but they cannot do something really useful for the country.
yes I do not agree! .. with wallpaper! (c) why send these clowns ?? they should be a visual aid and warning ...

This is the truly correct approach. Each country should have its own liberals, there should just be few of them, and they should be such that you can tell any child: "If you don't listen to your mother, you will grow up and become like this uncle (aunt)."
But seriously, these clowns like Venediktov, Sobchak, Navalny and other Makarevichs are really needed. They are needed simply to support the immune system of the state organism. Otherwise, we will not be able to protect ourselves when the situation changes, just as the USSR, which defeated the liberals within itself, rotted from the inside, and sunk into oblivion as soon as the circumstances changed, could not protect itself.

[veteran66]

Quote: 210ox

And what should they liberalists have to say about this?

in the last frames we see a hangar, and then the same hangar without visible damage and smoke (dust) above it. Here's how to interpret this installation? Can anyone explain?

[Dangerous]

And it's very simple to interpret. The P800 is primarily an anti-ship missile and it’s even scary to imagine where they will end up if they are used for their intended purpose, on a moving elongated target, and not on a stationary square object. Urapatriots of course will then write that even if they miss the ship, such waves will still rise that all "partners" will be washed overboard. We are waiting for the next launches from the Ministry of Defense and the next video with a real and destructive hit

[Muvka]

There are real destruction and hit. Just the power of one rocket is clearly not enough to completely cover a building of this size ...

[veteran66]

Quote: Muvka

There are real destruction and hit.

on the first frame - yes, but on the last one you cannot see either one or the other. Moreover, the moment of impact (rocket explosion) is generally removed from the video. What for?

[Themi30]

Here uncut video, at 17 seconds you can see how 13 mil. dollars destroy the parade ground, and a bottle of 3x3 meters. Although a warehouse or boxes are possible nearby. Accuracy sufficient only for warheads with nuclear weapons

[Oleg16661]

And here is a video where the result of hitting 2 missiles (which are from 16 seconds) is shown
The terrain and location of the buildings seem to coincide.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: TheMi30

like 13 mil. dollars destroy parade ground

What the fuck, 13 million bucks? "Abrams" 8 weighs, for example. Just to get up.

[Whatabout]

You can call me anything you like, but the video in this news is editing. From the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, there was another video initially, and it is clearly visible there how the warehouse stands and the rocket hits the area next to it. Of course, you can guess about underground bunkers, etc., but for the mass user, the picture is interpreted unambiguously - they aimed at the building, but fell 15 meters past. And this is a huge file of our MO - more precisely, the department for working with the media. It is necessary to show such shots so that no one doubts where they aim, and that they really hit the target. Not to mention the fact that the scale of the destruction from these videos is not at all clear - it feels like several rooms were destroyed, and everything else is whole.

[veteran66]

Quote: WhatAbout

video in this news - installation.

here I am about the same, completely agree with you

[opus]

Quote: WhatAbout

From the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, there was another video initially, and it is clearly visible there how the warehouse stands and the rocket hits the area next to it.

From "TV Star"
Here it is

what?
Where

Quote: WhatAbout

there is a warehouse and a rocket hits the area next to it.

?
It?

Or that?



And what was the purpose?
Cowshed, booth or entrance to the UKP?

DO NOT LOOK AT THE UAV CAMERA LENS VIZER!
This is neither a marker nor a highlight of the target.


Pay attention to the shooting angles

Quote: WhatAbout

Not to mention the extent of the destruction from these videos is not at all clear

How can you determine the scale of destruction from a height of 500 m to 1000m at such angles in a muddy UAV shooting?

[Whatabout]

I know very well what you are talking about. Do not scream with a caps ...
The bottom line is that the video is not a report for the military. It's a pretty picture for the general public And if in the frame there is a huge warehouse and a small booth, and the text of the news reads "The warehouses have been bombed with calibers," then in the video the rocket should bomb the warehouse, preferably to pieces. At the moment, this is only fertile ground for reflection: "What, in fact, did the authors want to say with this video?"

[opus]

Quote: WhatAbout

. Do not scream with a caps ...

Well, if it doesn’t work out differently?
/ Have I violated anything? Therefore, it’s my business to write / not write, it’s not worth it

Quote: WhatAbout

and the text of the news reads "Warehouses were bombed with calibers"

Why did you rest against the text of the news?
Journalists are stupid by definition, and the current growth is finally.
Have you read / seen the combat mission?
Me not.
Look at the KB, analyze the video fixation
and then already affirmatively declare

Quote: WhatAbout

You can call me anything you like, but the video in this news is editing. From the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, there was another video initially, and it is clearly visible there how the warehouse stands and the rocket hits the area next to it.

Quote: WhatAbout

aiming at the building, and got on 15 meters past.

Quote: WhatAbout

bomb the warehouse, preferably in chips.

The warehouse, which was "missed" ... watch the video carefully:
1.Not a "warehouse"
2. The roof already jumped and all the windows flew out (and something else from the windows)
when "missed"

[Vlad.by]

Not a single fall of the P800 was shown. Why give "probable" food for thought, how to avoid hitting. And the fact that the tests were carried out - excellent! Even if there were mistakes now, they will make adjustments to the operation of guidance systems and in the next. will fly through the window.

[Scoun]

Quote: Vlad.by

and next. time will fly into the window.

The Kh-101 and 102 missiles have a circular deviation of 10-20 meters))) "window". ))

Overview of the X-101 and X-102 missiles
MilitaryArms.ru ›Ammunition› Missiles ›Overview of the X-101 and X-102 missiles
This allows you to reduce the possible circular deviation to 10-20 meters. There is another missile: X-102, it differs from X-101 only in warhead

Quote: Vlad.by

Overview of the X-101 and X-102 missiles
MilitaryArms.ru ›Ammunition› Missiles ›Overview of the X-101 and X-102 missiles
This reduces the possible circular deviation. up to 10-20 meters. There is another missile: X-102, it differs from X-101 only in warhead

You can google the people yourself and in fact 10 -20 meters are not many for them.
the "Tomahawk" of the latest modifications 5-15 meters

Finally, the latest modification of the “Ax” got the opportunity of guidance according to GPS data. This greatly simplifies the launch preparation process, as there is no need for complex maps for TERCOM operation (routes and radar images of the terrain are prepared in advance, on the shore - in flight mission training centers on the territory of the Norwegian and Camp Smith naval naval bases).

In the case of working in GPS navigation mode, the crew of the ship can “drive in” the coordinates into the rocket’s memory without any specific description of the target — the rocket will do everything on its own, simply by exploding in the vicinity of the specified location. Accuracy decreases, but efficiency increases. SLCMs can now be used as a fire support tool and work on the emergency calls of marines.

In polygon conditions, in the presence of high-quality images of the “target”, the value of the circular deviation “Tomahawk” is indicated within 5 ... 15 meters. And this is with the launch range in 1000 and more kilometers! Impressive.

http://fito-center.ru/armija-i-konflikty/22662-py
at-mifov-o-rakete-tomahavk.html

[Scoun]

Quote: Dangerous

P800 is primarily RCC and it’s even scary to imagine where they will go if they are used for their intended purpose, according to a moving elongated target,

Please tell me, what are the anti-ship missiles in which part of the vessel should they get ?!
The anti-ship missiles should not hit the deck and the rocket entered exactly the wall of the building and not into the roof as you would like .. and "Caliber" smacked in as usual, covered it from above.

[Philip Staros]

Actually, for the RCC, it is precisely that it is easier to get into the "oblong" (radio contrast and written "in the brain") than "along the rectangle".
Secondly, they’ve already explained to you a hundred times that they were aiming at the wrong place, and the CAMERA’s sight is not a SIGHT.

[parkello]

they decided to try everything. Well, okay. although, as for me, it would be worthwhile to release all that lies in warehouses from the time of the USSR along this scum. iron 25 hours a day. I mean, start an hour earlier.

[V.ic]

Quote: parkello

what has been in warehouses since the days of the USSR. iron 25 hours a day

The resource of aircraft is not enough, and inter-flight maintenance should be carried out ...

[parkello]

NDA, I didn’t think about the resource, well .. then how much is enough. only there, air attacks alone cannot win the war. need ground forces. and there with it strained. now, if the Chinese would throw five thousand to seven of their fighters, everything would go much faster.

[VSZMK]

if the Chinese would throw five thousand, seven of their fighters

So it's just a Chinese platoon!

[insular]

Quote: VSZMK

So it's just a Chinese platoon!

Do they have platoons from a million? Or a million is a company?
Damn them, these Chinese with their numbers)))

[cap]

Quote: insular

Quote: VSZMK

So it's just a Chinese platoon!

Do they have platoons from a million? Or a million is a company?
Damn them, these Chinese with their numbers)))

For information, the reserve of the first echelon of China (the first call after the announcement of the mobilization of 300 million).

[Simple]

A documentary about one private Chinese Gud Kamp:

[V.ic]

Quote: insular

these Chinese with their numbers

Dear, yesterday I posed questions to you twice in an article about "Kolchakia". You "went into silence". Do you have amnesia, by accident?

[Yuyuka]

3
insular Today, 07:44 ↑ New
Quote: VSZMK
So it's just a Chinese platoon!

Do they have platoons from a million? Or a million is a company?
Damn them, these Chinese with their numbers)))

learn materiel! They have no companies and platoons! other units in the Chinese army - hectare soldier, commander of a square kilometer of special forces

[Philip Staros]

It’s good to laugh - they have a little more than a million soldiers for the entire army - one, damn it, one and a half thousand people ... And the Chinese plow there ... like the Chinese! Look at the participants in the latest war games - maybe they leaked the Russians ... but ALL the rest were left behind according to the results!

[Alexdark]

Then a couple of millions, in China they still will not notice)

[Vlad.by]

You can’t drive them out of there later. There will be Chinatown in Alleppo. Is it necessary for the Syrians?

[opus]

Quote: parkello

it would be worth releasing everything that has been in warehouses since the days of the USSR. iron 25 hours a day

I beg of you" .
NOTHING LIES ANYTHING in warehouses from the USSR.
1.Sold (sometimes not quite legal)
2. Stolen
3.BURNED
4. Rotted
5. Expired.
6.Used: 2 * Chechnya, Georgia, Teachings, Initial Stage in Syria
VKS are used in Syria:
RBC-500 with SPBE
Betab 500
CAB-500
CAB-500cr
CAB-500С
FAB-500Sh
FAB-500M54
FAB-500M62
OFAB 250-270T
OFAB-500ShR
CAB-1500L
OFZAB-500
Since October 2015, employees of the Tactical Missile Armaments Corporation have moved to work in three shifts due to the increased need of the military for the supply of weapons due to the operation in Syria.
All munitions factories operate in 3 shifts
JSC NPO Basalt is the only one in the Russian Federation and the CIS countries an organization providing a full cycle of design, manufacture and disposal of aircraft bomb weapons (ABSP).
80% of the ammunition used during the operation to force Georgia to peace wasmanufactured or developed by Basalt.

I have to dig, there is a video of unloading a power supply unit (aerial bombs) in Syria, marking 2015 minimum


Why use "old"?
What would the Air Force poke us in the nose of "human rights activists" shouting about the violation of the rules of war?


Photo of unexploded elements on the ground (judging by the marking, elements of the 1991 release of the year):

http://www.bbc.com/russian/features/2016/06/16062
0_syria_russia_cluster_munitions_marcus

And kakly howled in Ukraine?

[Same lech]

How many ammunition we still need to be disposed of (shelf life) ... if you count ten barrels and bombs for each barmel, you can save them and the cost and benefit for our MOTHERLAND and SYRIA are obvious ...
keep it up.

[svp67]

and why, if the “missiles missed”, there are no reports from the scene of the events by the “correspondents” of “Jabhat al-Nusra” with joyful cries about the “misses”? ..

So all the "correspondents" were covered, while now they will recruit new ones, but they will train them, at least to hold the automatic camera in the right direction

[Mikhail m]

This is the beauty that will save the world.

[Hubun]

Oh, to put together a bunch of all the liberals and successfully shoot at them with new weapons. Let them be calm, because you still won’t get hit

[V.ic]

Quote: Hubun

Let them be calm, because you still won’t get hit

But this should be checked!

[parkello]

the old ones will work well for them. some should have enough of a usual noose. why spend expensive ammunition on them? on one ship everyone would, and two torpedoes of 533 mm are enough for them.

[Yuyuka]

on one ship everyone would, and two torpedoes of 533 mm are enough for them.

and the ship is not a pity? I remembered Leonid Filatov very well said
We will put you in a tub
Throw in the sea - and Adyu!
You’ll get around the tub,
Do not give you a boat!

And carry you
Straight to the island on Buyan!
Well, so as not to run wild,
Here is my personal button accordion.

True, he is my fault! -
Doesn't play a damn thing
But no
And you need a culture!

and still slightly changing (forgive me the author!)

To us now - keep in mind! -
You have to be with the crowd in harmony:
Despotism is out of fashion right now
Democracy on the move.

Leaving and would be out
Entot ... like him ... to Brussels,
Since this happens,
Sorry, carousel!

There was a talented man!

[parkello]

said well, in verse))) Well, I don’t know how, I can only do it in prose, and in vulgar one ... so I wanted to say that .. well, are there ships like that used as targets? it ... and at the same time the DPL crew is practicing in torpedo launches on a maneuvering target))

[ARES623]

After such shootings, we should expect an increase in the order book for the demonstrated products. No advertising brochure can compare with the actual application of the product offered for sale. Control shooting also helps to identify unforeseen design and manufacturing problems. This is not superfluous for us. And the liberals ... well, there is no escape from them. I think they have already been identified by the piece and recorded in the relevant databases. In the end, not everyone will please. Among the millions of citizens who care for the state (and themselves), there will always be a group of "bad guys" who live only thinking about the stomach.

[jovanni]

"... Liberal users have already announced that the Ministry of Defense" deliberately subjected the video footage to editing because the missiles did not hit the target ... "

Never! The MO will never achieve the level of video editing that these "liberal users" have. Even if they suddenly began to do it. Where are they to the Hollywood students ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Jovanni

Never! The MO will never achieve the level of video editing that these "liberal users" have. Even if they suddenly began to do it. Where are they to the Hollywood students ...

Well, Hollywood students don’t roll here! Who is a craftsman is Dr. Goebbels. That's who Hollywood learned to lie but did not finish his studies. https://topwar.ru/103785-otvety-na-voprosy-gospod
in-professor-parada-v-breste-ne-bylo.html

[Mountain shooter]

Well, yes, these military liberal experts who REAL weapons and their actions were only seen in the movies - they know best (including us, it’s on VO!) What, where and how it flies and how it should get so they write for themselves. Five percent of the population (the usual percentage of marginals in a normal society) delight each other with all kinds of information, which they immediately compose without leaving the keyboard.

[insular]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

know what, where and how it flies and how it should get

I venture to stumble upon a flurry of criticism, but do not tell me how it should get?
I see a photo, under the photo the signature is a warehouse of weapons and equipment, in the photo there is a hangar and a platform with a fence around the perimeter, it is difficult to assess the platform, maybe there are Kalash in bulk under the open sky, but they keep empty in the hangar or raise sheep ... A gift arrives. The hangar stood and still stands (the rams were saved?), And the platform is "in smithereens" ... Tell me that this is all so absurd and the target is amazed ... I really want to believe it.

I guess I caught up with liberalism somewhere ... but somehow it's hard to believe in getting into and in my disease.

[Same lech]

Do not tell me how it should get?

Like that...

[insular]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Like that...

I'm talking about a specific video and specifically about "Caliber", "Onyx" and even "Bastion".
Was it a defeat or not? Where to watch the video? Where was the target? What am I missing?

I am not joking and do not troll. I would like to believe that there was a masket and under it "all the sacraments of the barmaley." But this is more like self-healing.

And during the shelling of the headquarters, they didn’t get into the building because the rocket was aimed at the most rambling of the leaders, who went out into the street.

[Same lech]

Was it a defeat or not? Where to watch the video? Where was the target? What am I missing?

Contact the VKS intelligence center or the barmaley ... let them send photos and video evidence ...
but the problem is that there is a war and with live broadcasting there is a big problem ... you won’t be planting a correspondent in the place of the bombing.

[insular]

I think that if you already demonstrate frames with the results, then explain what is on them. Otherwise, these frames are very stupid. What do they show? What are they for and for whom?

I understand that there are people for whom it is enough to show a finger so that they laugh, and there are people for whom it is enough to show a cloud of dust so that they write in pants with joy ... But not all of these and I don’t want to eat any kind.

The person whom I asked, not without pathos, said that the liberals teach how to get "specialists in the VO", so I ask where they should have been?

[Themi30]

insular
I’ll try to comment, at 17 seconds we see how 2 missiles (Onyx / Caliber - who will analyze them there) in no less than 10 green lamas destroy the parade ground and a small booth. There is no more reason to laugh about how pen_day destroys five-dollar tents with millions of green ones - no. We ourselves can do that.

[opus]

Quote: TheMi30

we see how 2 rockets (Onyx / Caliber

Caliber.
You would not see Onyx (another shooting mode is necessary)
1. N = 5-15 meters when approaching the target, at supersonic sound (2 – 3 thousand km / h)
2. Penetrating warhead in 3M55 -PCR

Quote: TheMi30

no less than 10 green llamas destroy the parade ground and a small booth.

No one knows the lope is Caliber.
6,5 million $ / RCC sucked from a contract with India. Not knowing what is included in the price
"Yakhont"
Export to India:
4 SPU + 90 missiles, incl. Delivery and maintenance of 2 billion rupees (30 $ million)

I doubt that ZM-14 costs more than 1,5 $ million
And "Onyx" is much cheaper (it can be seen from the 2015 contract, and indeed, it has long been "exposed"

Quote: TheMi30

There is no more reason to laugh about how pen_day destroys five-dollar tents with millions of green ones - no. We ourselves can do that.

1. We do not know how. These are the first attempts
2. I remind you that ZM-14 follows above the sea but ANN and Glonas, and above land, through fixed points of correction, according to a given trajectory.
Above the points, the current position is checked with an electronic map of the terrain of heights / objects, correction, and then, above the target, the ARGSN (14) checks the radar target mark with the database (based on the knowledge base)
So neither the ZM-14 nor the progenitors (3K10 / S-10 Garnet - SS-N-21,3M-51 "Alpha") were PREPARING for combat launch trajectories from the Mediterranean Sea at targets in Syria.
More and more: Western Europe, USA, Canada and Japan (China probably)
Therefore, the e-maps are new, the flight tasks are new.
It is necessary to work out, correct the software, take into account the interference, see how the ARGSN, altimeter, extreme navigation on the radar image of the target react to changes in the standard from reality (bomb, destroy, etc.)
Where to do it at the landfill? WHICH?
All the same, start up but training. The difference is only in the cost of warheads.
And with 3М55 in general.
They were only modified a year ago for firing at ground targets, tested once, and then at a range of up to 100km.
Is it necessary to test?
The stump is clear.
here and train

You won’t learn from other people's mistakes. (A. Koestler. Blinding darkness).
Only he who does nothing is not mistaken.

[Themi30]

We need to learn, no one argues, it’s just that all of our weapons are unique and they shoot accurately (according to reports) during tests, and then it pops up that they didn’t hit the house two times, to put it mildly, it doesn’t look very good.

H = 5-15 meters when approaching the target, in supersonic (2-3 thousand km / h)

So this is for RCC and what kind of rocket is it fired at? Are you sure that there is supersonic? The RCC caliber is also supersonic to the target (from which, as I understand it, its range is much less).

We do not know how. These are the first attempts

These are not the first attempts even in Syria, no need to rub here, and our country is big enough and different to try and try at home.

[insular]

Do you understand how absurd your explanations sound ?!
You will be satisfied with an excuse when the roof collapses in your house - they will tell you "Well, what did you want? Builders are studying ... It costs almost the same to build a house for tenants and build during study, but it would not suddenly collapse ...". Now, if you understand this in everyday life, why not in military practice?

You need to learn, but not on a combat mission if an inexperienced crew was sent, then there should be officers who can verify the accuracy of the work of inexperienced operators.
You want to say that in all of Russia there are no specialists capable of precisely getting out of precision weapons ?! In particular, there are no specialists able to use the CR ?! You are raving ... Or I don’t understand anything at all ... How then can we say that our CDs can get at least somewhere other than a square of one hectare ... If no one else got it?

By virtue of your age, you probably don’t know that now with very great approximation, all studies are simulated on simulators? Remove all sailors / operators and officers from ships and into training! Drive until steam and asses go or until expensive ammunition is learned to use as it should!

They are in the area of ​​operation of the "potential partner" fleet and NATO aircraft, they are directly involved in the military conflict! The risk of an exacerbation of the international situation is incredibly high, but they cannot get into the building? Yes, and backlit with a UAV ?? !! TWICE!
Everyone, including the tallest generals, who authorized an unprepared crew to enter the combat mission ... until clarification!

Not enough Chechen companies for us? Not enough for us 08.08.08? They didn’t learn anything ... For that, NATO destroys the tractor ... And there are no analogues in the world.

and at least it's a shame not to post it on the network with pathos - "look how cool we are."

[insular]

Quote: opus

Where to do it at the landfill? WHICH?

ON SUCH! if you couldn’t get in with more planning time? in the area where the UAV walk like at home?
How, how were you going to confront an adversary who would at least prevent the use of UAVs and would need to act instantly?
If with such preparation for the strike they could not put the ammunition exactly on the target, then the operator has no place at all for the installations. They would teach theory ...

This is insanity, not an explanation. It would be better if you were silent.

[fzr1000]

You are hopeless. It would be better if the Americans didn’t disgrace themselves here and give advice, otherwise they would pop their UAVs everywhere, but they forgot to consult with you.

[Philip Staros]

Why should they cost ten llamas of greenery, even if Tamagawks cost about one (for all the "efficiency" of the sawers there)?

[Bloodsucker]

It seems that you should remember, judging by your Russophobia here, you end up like this.

[_Slavs]

There is a light path from the building, it differs in grayness, as someone called it - from the parade ground. Concrete reinforced concrete is shown in the Babai pictures in the pervay waronka. There was clearly something under the parade ground, and the second in the booth was the entrance to something. It seems before you 100% destruction of something famous MO.

[Black Colonel]

Convincingly, the cited correspondents are unlikely to answer the question posed, "how should it fall?"

[Rostov 2016]

The same questions .... Call me a liberal, at least a black man of advanced years! why are buildings standing after the arrival of our missiles? Well, with a chemical filling what would fly ...

[insular]

It’s a matter of takeo ... from the cut it follows that it was a Bastion ... and if the goal was a stationary building, then to get into a maneuvering ship is easier or harder? The bastion is not designed to hit ground targets, maybe because of this a miss? And miss?

Just questions ...

[opus]

Quote: insular

The bastion is not designed to hit ground targets

c 2015 can

GOS provides rocket use for stationary ground targets with a radio contrast with respect to the background of at least 15 dB.

GOS is an onboard two-channel active-passive radar with a complex broadband coherent signal with phase-code manipulation according to a random law both in the review mode and in the target tracking mode when operating in active mode. GOS possesses high noise immunity with respect to various types of active interference, leading away in range and angular coordinates, and passive interference such as dipole clouds and corner reflectors.

In Crimea, already with 2015 updated blocks (UOI).

Quote: ARES623

All copies at the deadlines must be shot, they must be eliminated anyway

What are the "storage" periods?

The complex was adopted by the Russian Armed Forces in 2010
spring 2010 8 SPUs, 2 batteries/battalions, without TZM
8 SPU
2 armored personnel carriers 25th separate coastal missile division 11th OBRAB (Utash village), without TZM

Guaranteed shelf life in TPK - 10 years

TPK with a rocket is extremely unpretentious in operation, does not require a supply of cooling fluid and gas, and does not impose additional requirements for the microclimate in storage and on carriers.

[V.ic]

Quote: insular

I guess I caught up with liberalism somewhere ... but somehow it's hard to believe in getting into and in my disease.

Very commendable, self-criticism is welcome.

[ARES623]

Quote: insular

A gift arrives. The hangar stood and still stands (the rams were saved?), And the platform is "to smithereens" ... Tell me that this is all so absurd and the target is amazed ... I really want to believe it.

Firstly, Onyx is an anti-ship missile. A ship, this is not a little warehouse, it will be a little more. Secondly, this rocket was developed in the 70s, and accordingly, the parameters are not of today's requirements. But most importantly, she flies. And about the accuracy and effectiveness of warheads, in theory, experts and intelligence in the target area should give comments. All copies at the deadlines must be shot, they must be eliminated in one way or another. But one must believe that new even more advanced developments will come to replace this, and we will have enough material and intellectual resources to do this.

[Wolka]

well, very good, the Yankees with their tomahawks here don't even get into the dust, and the Jews with their "dome" quietly smoke on the sidelines ...

[Observer2014]

On the first combat use of the P-800 "Onyx"

Until yesterday, "Bastion" was an anti-ship complex. Well, this is only until yesterday Under the treaty, cruise missiles with a range over 500 km on land cannot be installed. But the Americans with their missile defense system released the genie from the bottle. Now, under the guise of the Bastion anti-ship missile system (Having the largest coastal zone in the world), you can, with a clear conscience, churn out land-based cruise missiles as many need. Try to create a group of invasion of Russia near the Russian border. Yes, and in order to strike with planes you need to concentrate aviation near the border. Nu-nu. Let's start to scratch us about the "formidable, Abrams, Leopards". Let's about how many times aviation NATO There are more Russian aviation Putin's words two years ago: "If we understand that a fight is inevitable, we will strike first."
Any concentration of aviation and ground troops is essentially a graveyard. Russian cruise missiles in minute readiness at these Bastion and Eskander complexes will multiply to zero any preparation for war against Russia.

[Muvka]

Well, why did you get the idea that the bastions shoot more than 300 km? These launches were from Syria, they have bastions.

[Observer2014]

Muvka

Well, why did you get the idea that the bastions shoot more than 300 km? These launches were from Syria, they have bastions.

And you carefully reconsider yesterday’s interview from the Ministry of Defense.
"Bastion" launch range on sea targets up to 350 km. Launch range on ground targets 450 km "
And where is it said that "Bastion" fires only one type of ammunition? Example "Eskander".

[Aleksandr12]

Shoigu said in a report to the president. 300 km by sea 450 km by land

[alexmach]

Now, under the guise of the Bastion anti-ship missile (having the largest coastal zone in the world), you can, with a clear conscience, churn out land-based cruise missiles as much as you need.

Maybe it’s possible, maybe even necessary. But why scream at the whole world? What would be more comfortable for partners to place their new perchings 2 in Europe?

[Observer2014]

alexmach

Maybe it’s possible, maybe even necessary. But why scream at the whole world? What would be more comfortable for partners to place their new perchings 2 in Europe?

They have already placed it. From the missile defense installation, you can launch a Tomahawk and so on.
That is why our Ministry of Defense has delighted everyone with the launch at ground targets from the Bastion.

[Rom14]

Do not pay attention to the "liberals", they honestly work out their rations ... It's honor to mention a lot about dirt in the military review. And to our soldiers health, good luck, Victory, and thanks for the peaceful sky of Russia.

[Senior manager]

In one of the videos, the rocket really exploded next to a large building in a visually empty place, hence the statement about a miss. Comment on this subject to hear, preferably normal.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: St. Propulsion

In one of the videos, the rocket really exploded next to a large building in a visually empty place, hence the statement about a miss. Comment on this subject to hear, preferably normal.

There is a version that the hit was in a certain disguised underground room (warehouse, bunker, etc.).

[insular]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

There is a version that the hit was in a certain disguised underground room (warehouse, bunker, etc.).

Underground? There is concrete-caliber Onyx-Bastions ...

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: insular

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

There is a version that the hit was in a certain disguised underground room (warehouse, bunker, etc.).

Underground? There is concrete-caliber Onyx-Bastions ...

It’s not a fact that the disguised underground building was sufficiently fortified from a conventional bomb or rocket.

[insular]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

It’s not a fact that the disguised underground building was sufficiently fortified from a conventional bomb or rocket.

Then there should have remained not a frail failure of the soil ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: insular

Then there should have remained not a frail failure of the soil ...

Is it not there by accident?

The heading of the video says that these are the consequences of a rocket strike somewhere south of Aleppo.

[Oleg16661]

If you look at the location of the buildings, it seems to be there.

[Rostov 2016]

Then objective visual control from drones was supposed to record the destruction of this bunker - at least subsidence of the soil.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Rostov2016

Then objective visual control from drones was supposed to record the destruction of this bunker - at least subsidence of the soil.

In the video that I saw, the failure of the soil and so on was difficult to see, to put it mildly. Moreover, it is not known what size the supposedly existing "room" was :)

[Rostov 2016]

The fact of the matter is that when our Defense Ministry has something to show, it shows - BEFORE and AFTER. and here is just slicing a video with a dubious result. It’s better not to publish it at all, left it for official use.

[Gray brother]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

failure of the soil, etc. it was difficult to see, to put it mildly

If there are continuous reinforced concrete floors, then there will be no failure - the whole will be on top, and inside the shock wave will process everything into flour.

[Altona]

The bombing is indicative for the Western "partners" that we also have high-precision multipurpose ("multi-slot") missiles capable of fighting ground and surface targets. Hello missile defense systems.

[BOB044]

Liberal users have already managed to announce that the Ministry of Defense “deliberately subjected the video materials to editing due to missiles not reaching the target”

Our liberals, like drones fly over Syria and fix where they fall and where our missiles do not fall.

[waitknait]

Well, in the last video, obviously, a rocket hit next to the building, you can say at the front door ... However, you need to understand that after the explosion, the normal operation of such a structure will be difficult. (Without windows, without doors, the room is full of 3,14lule. =))

[Cat man null]

Question to specialists, if any:
- But how is the Bastion directed at the ground target? According to GLONASS-ZhPS, or what?
- do not offer "wires"

[insular]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- do not offer "wires"

A seagull on his broads ...
And so, will that answer you?

[Cat man null]

Quote: insular

ktozh will answer you that?

- IMHO "open secret" ... that's what Vika says, for example:

Control system:
On the marching section - inertial + radio altimeter
At the final site, an all-weather monopulse active-passive radar-assisted radar homing system, with frequency hopping
Target detection range (in active mode) - at least 50 km
Maximum target search angle - ± 45 °

- my question about the "ground target" is related precisely to the fact that a ship in the sea-ocean has a target that is much more contrasting than a specific building in a group of similar buildings ... and getting into the ship (if you find it) is not an example easier, than a specific building

[Vlad.by]

Would you still ask for a listing of the GOS program with developer comments

[Cat man null]

Quote: Vlad.by

Would you still ask for a listing of the GOS program with developer comments

- decided to be smart?
- nothing to say - pass by ...

[opus]

Quote: Cat Man Null

- But how is the Bastion directed at the ground target?

As well as on surface.
Monopulse homing head




The main thing is that the radio contrast of the target with respect to the background (underlying surface) would be at least 15 dB.
The main thing is to "put" in the on-board computer a picture of the attacked target
----------------------------
Since initially RCC 3M55 is designed to destroy surface targets (which usually MOVE to 40 knots), then theoretically it can hit mobile ground targets:
-OBT
-TRAC
-train
What thread is thaad? Patiot on the march
After the “GRANITE-ELECTRON” CONCERN puts the 5 generation of the GOS (with a replaceable antenna device) onto the stream, a headlamp with a fur the implementation of the synthesis mode of the antenna aperture... the mode will be implemented

Tangential Speed ​​Target Selection
Existing SDS methods, which estimate only the radial component of the object’s speed, allow us to select no more than 60% of moving ground objects of military equipment. The introduction of the SDS mode by tangential velocity allows one to select up to 80 ... 90% of such objects.
The basis of the SDS mode in tangential velocity is the formation of a dynamic phase portrait of objects.

The basis of the SDS mode in tangential velocity is the formation of a dynamic phase portrait of objects. A dynamic phase portrait is a radar image obtained with high spatial resolution, the intensity of each point of which is proportional to the phase difference of the signals two spaced apart in time (as well as in space and time) PCA channels of the corresponding resolved surface area.

Quote: Cat Man Null

that a ship in the sea-ocean is a goal much more contrasting than a specific building in a group of the same buildings ... and getting into a ship (if you found it) is not an example easier than a specific building

But low-flying, high-speed (! Not 40 nodes), maneuverable against the background of the underlying surface (earth, water) when attacking missiles, how?
And then they decided.

-ISU accurately measures the rate of change of the flight altitude of the rocket, that is, the speed of approach of the rocket to the underlying surface, but roughly the height of the rocket’s flight (Y = 40-100 m) and does not take into account the terrain;

- RV accurately measures the distance to the underlying surface (D = 4-6 m at D100 m), but roughly the speed of approach to the surface

With small "manipulations, we combine" the disadvantages / advantages of both ...

and here is the barn

Rocket 9M38M1. Technical description. 9M38M1.0000.000
(a way to control a missile aimed at low-flying targets TO-1. - Moscow: Publishing House "Limbus Press", OJSC "Tip." Pravda ", 1999)

[Tusv]

And here, such “experts” should be asked a couple of questions: where did they get data on what specific targets were hit and where the missiles were to be sent, and why, if “missiles missed”

- Mr. Admiral, an Onyx volley was fired from the Russian squadron
- Boats on the water
- missiles went to the basmachi
- Ufff carried. Miss overshot

[Taygerus]

They’ve gone well, but they’ve come in general beautifully, and they will always stink by liberasts and spit on them

[Taygerus]

They’ve gone well, but they’ve come in general beautifully, and they will always stink by liberasts and spit on them

[Vadim12]

"Liberal" users in ah ... e, how it is, their stronghold turns off course! But they will still pour dirt on Russia, where they were born and live, until their throats are plugged. With a boot.

[Alexey-74]

With fire "baptism" !!!!

[Dyatko Nebatko]

Video zbs, but the result is dubious! Why post this? We still do not know how to "wrap in a wrapper" ....

[Sobol]

Quote: Dyatko Nebatko

Video zbs, but the result is dubious! Why post this? We still do not know how to "wrap in a wrapper" ....

But no Samantha Power will say that they got to the hospital ..

[cap]

I don’t say, but it seems that “Bastion” was shot with a filling intended to defeat a completely different target (a ship, for example), and honestly showed the result, the main thing is that he did not miss the dimensions, the military understands this. The expected result. The score is excellent.
And the NATO sailors, having compared the dimensions of the building to their dimensions along the waterline, will exactly scratch the back of their head.

[Editor]

Quote: parkello

they decided to try everything. Well, okay. although, as for me, it would be worthwhile to release all that lies in warehouses from the time of the USSR along this scum. iron 25 hours a day. I mean, start an hour earlier.

In Transnistria, a sea of ​​ammunition is stored that can be disposed of in the territories occupied by ISIS.

[igor.borov775]

Hi!! The military entered a new era. They shout that they didn’t hit it yet. Think seriously, the narrowly specialized RCC product starts working where it shouldn’t. The new control technology is being developed. Weapon systems are becoming universal. The smart one has already realized. This is truly a surprise for our beloved colleagues. Good luck to our soldiers.

[The brightest]

Liberal users have already managed to announce that the Ministry of Defense "deliberately subjected video footage to the installation due to missile strikes." And here those “experts” should be asked a couple of questions: where do they get the data on what specific targets were hit and where should the missiles be sent to, and why, if “missiles missed”, there are no “reporters” reports from the scene Dzhebhat an-Nusra "with joyful cries about the" blunders "? ..

Fair questions, but only they will not be able to answer. We have shooting a drone - they have a tantrum ...

[Kosmotoga]

how many snot in the comments. We got it, we didn’t hit it. Our Armed Forces train "on cats" and do not hide it. . Or is the image more important to you than the result? the world still thinks that we are a monkey with a nuclear grenade, so you don't have to worry about your image, the main thing is to work and "train on cats". In the course of hostilities, shortcomings in our weapons were identified and eliminated at the request of the servicemen. They will discuss the causes and consequences of the launches, correct them, call the Kulibins, calibrate everything and you will be happy. Perhaps they just decided to try out how the missiles would behave in such and such a situation. provides a lot of food for thought.

[Old26]

Quote: nizrum

In my opinion, the accuracy of + -10 m for such missiles is quite decent. If you look at this, then do not smear.

In 3M14, according to various sources of KVO from 2-3 or 5 to 20-50 m. The truth is somewhere in between. IMHO 10-20 meters

Quote: tilovaykrisa

I have another question, why should I use coastal anti-ship system to beat bearded men ?? it is not created for this in the end, or caliber do not have time to do?

The question is interesting. I ask him myself, but what for?

Quote: alexmach

In general, some kind of stupidity. Is this a recognition of a violation of the contract for limiting the RMND? And why do this?

There are no violations, about 300. In any case, the Onyx's flight range is less than the INF Treaty boundary

Quote: Observer2014

And where is it said that "Bastion" fires only one type of ammunition? Example "Eskander"

A very incorrect example. The Iskander initially has an arrow on which either ballistic or cruise missiles are mounted. The last in TPK. ON "Bastion" only TPK.
I haven't seen an interview from the Moscow Region, but in principle I don't find anything supernatural in this. The flight follows a high-altitude trajectory and the range can be up to 450 km. The question is somewhat different. The GOS aims the product at radio contrast targets, such as a ship. How was the guidance on the "barn" - HZ implemented.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Old26

The GOS directs the product to radio contrast targets, such as a ship. How was the guidance to the "barn" implemented - HZ

- already asked the same question, there is still no answer
- really, incomprehensible

[igorka357]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, where is Onyx really hitting? It would be interesting to see the result of its application. And who can tell what the permissible deviation of the caliber is? Well, they really smear! Now to the edge of the building, then to the fence. Apparently, the headquarters of illegal armed groups did not get hit. Now, of course, they will write here that, they say, there is such a force that windows and walls were knocked out, etc., but damn it, all the same, after all! And if it were not for the headquarters of the militants, but the command center of our beloved "partners" was, with all its fortifications and bunkers? With such a hit, nothing would have happened to them.
PS The Defense Ministry is still well done that they upload all the videos, uncensored

If it were not for the headquarters of the militants, but the command bunker for the launch of US strategic missiles, then the Voevoda would have been planted there!

[igorka357]

It’s immediately obvious that all the experts gathered here have never even come under mortar fire, when a mine about ten meters shy away from you, you can’t even think for a couple of minutes ...)))! So, the missiles had goals, there were ... and the missiles hit these targets, or you just need the buildings to work out, well then they didn’t hit, but I think that the living force in those buildings drained their membranes, and some internal organs are sure ... if there was any equipment, then it was destroyed by shrapnel and a blast wave! You started a debate about which sniper is more effective, the one that gets between the eyes, or the one that smears your neck !!!

[kib72]

Ah, you mister rudolff drive away to visit them, and together laugh

[g1v2]

Grigorovich - Nuclear cruiser? Come on.

[padded jacket]

Incidentally, I wonder whose "Bastions" were they that attacked Russian or Syrian terrorists?
If Syrian means they have the ability and missiles in cases of need to strike with supersonic missiles not only against Israeli ships but also at its military bases and airfields.
Or maybe it was not the "Bastions" but the "Iskander" from Khmeimim using the CD with the declared range of 500 kilometers? After all, they are very similar.
Training with 9M728 cruise missiles of the Iskander-M complex

Iskander-M in Syria
In the video report from Syria in the program "I Serve Russia!" On March 27, 2016, on the Zvezda TV channel, the 9P78-1 self-propelled launcher 9P720-XNUMX of the XNUMXKXNUMX Iskander-M operational-tactical missile system, which is part of the Russian contingent, was filmed at the Khmeimim airbase.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1816261.html

[Ustinov 055 055]

Quote: WhatAbout

it’s not clear at all - it feels like several rooms were destroyed, and everything else is whole.

There are 3 video sequences of 3 launches, 2 on target 1n by, this is a fact already. It would have hit the ship unambiguously and would have torn it almost in half in the first 2 cases in 3m it would have flown into a forecastle or into a yut but not into the area of ​​shkans, so the effect would have been called into question. And so, when a penetrating warhead is hit, it is not always fireworks like in films.

[Old26]

Quote: insular

Underground? There is concrete-caliber Onyx-Bastions ...

The concrete-driving Onyx is cool. But where there is this "concrete" head to place I would like to know

Quote: insular

I'm talking about a specific video and specifically about "Caliber", "Onyx" and even "Bastion".

Your mention of "Bastion" is not entirely clear. IMHO it was enough just to mention "Onyx" and "Caliber"

Quote: opus

No one knows the lope is Caliber.
6,5 million $ / RCC sucked from a contract with India. Not knowing what is included in the price
"Yakhont"
Export to India:
4 SPU + 90 missiles, incl. Delivery and maintenance of 2 billion rupees (30 $ million)

I doubt that ZM-14 costs more than 1,5 $ million
And "Onyx" is much cheaper (it can be seen from the 2015 contract, and indeed, it has long been "exposed"

You are right in doubt. In an interview on the anniversary of our actions in Syria, Shoigu voiced the costs. From these figures, we can conclude that the price of "Caliber" is around 800 thousand dollars. And thanks for the info on Onyx. Now at least everything falls into place. And with the prices for it - HZ. Deliveries of the same 200 Brahmos to India are estimated at $ 4 billion. It is clear that not "Onyx", but still ...

[Phosgene]

Since when did the foreign Russophobes like Makarevich, who got lost in Russia, become liberals ?! Just foreign boors who are not the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, in the service of foreign states!

[igorka357]

Quote from rudolf

Now I watch on RTR live comments by the First Deputy Chairman of the Defense and Security Committee of the Federation Council
Franz Klintsevich on missile strikes. "The nuclear cruiser Grigorovich struck with Calibers ...". There is applause in the studio. Next, they show a report from this very nuclear-powered cruiser Grigorovich. A reporter with a clever look: judging by the fact that the contrail quickly disappeared, the missiles left at maximum speed, which is much higher than the speed of sound! And in this spirit further. Insanity grows stronger.

And so, now for about half an hour I was looking for Klintsevich's comments, unfortunately I could not find your supposedly "atomic Grigorovich" ... so please, what kind of transmission? If you don't answer, I promise ... I won't forget this, and at every meeting at VO, I will poke you into this lie, if you provide at least some information where you can revise it, but you can revise everything now, then I will deeply apologize to you !!! Something I don't really believe in it!

[igorka357]

Yes, that's right, the broadcast from 15.11.16/XNUMX/XNUMX, the fifth minute of the broadcast "the work of the atomic cruiser Grigorovich, the work of fighter bombers from Andrei ... from ann ... from Admiral Kuznetsov" ... shame on Klintsevich, so not prepared to approach the air! I deeply apologize to you, sorry that I questioned your honesty! You can challenge me to a duel ..)))

[Operator]

Anti-ship missiles with radar seeker without AFAR are mainly designed for use on high-contrast ships against the background of the water surface.

RCCs with radar seeker without AFAR have a low accuracy of hitting ground targets, because they cannot distinguish a small fixed target against the background of the earth's surface and near the located relief elements, trees, buildings, machines and mechanisms.

New modifications of the anti-ship missiles are additionally equipped with GLONASS receivers for striking stationary land objects with a CVT of the order of 1-2 meters. Were the anti-ship missiles used in Syria equipped with GLONASS receivers?

In the future, after equipping the anti-ship missiles with radar seeker with AFAR, it will be possible to point them at the target’s contour (mobile or stationary) with an accuracy of 1-2 meter, regardless of the surrounding background and the operation of GLONASS.

[Whisper]

I greet everyone
And why remove these hits?

[igorka357]

From Carlson ...))), dear, where do you live on Mars?

[Whisper]

Quote: TheMi30

insular
I’ll try to comment, at 17 seconds we see 2 missiles (Onyx / Caliber - who will analyze them there)

and I think. that there was one rocket. it’s a shadow, not a second rocket.

[Bath Rumbets]

Since ancient times, the foundations of the state have been attached to strong sovereigns and even more powerful subordinates to them. Point

[Askiz]

and where flew (flew) 2nd Onyx ??? or I looked

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, where is the Onyx hit really? It would be interesting to see the result of its application. And who can tell what tolerance the caliber has? Well, really smeared!

Well, the flag in your hands - go to Syria as a spotter and to combine shooting with the operator! So you will show how smear \ get!

[simara]

if I’m not mistaken, RCC is usually with a cumulative warhead. If you hit them in the building, then at most one room will get damaged (shock wave, fragments, temperature) well, 2 maximum, given that after 1 wall the penetrating ability of the cumulative stream will drop significantly. However, in practice, militants shoot TOU at enemy infantry, sometimes even single-handed ones ... because when hit next to them, a cumulative explosion that is not cumulative in an explosion is the same. Given the experience of detonating columns with high-explosive shells and considering the weight of explosives in Onyx and other anti-ship missiles, it’s best to place anti-ship missiles right in front of the building and to let the missiles go sideways to destroy the enemy’s manpower in a long one-story building (to hit everyone with a shock wave and fragments) in front of the building what happened on the video. In this case, the use of anti-ship missiles certainly looks a lot like hammering nails with a microscope, however, given the number of explosives in the warhead and the fact that 2 missiles arrived there, you can only sympathize with those who were in the building at that moment. Moreover, the missiles arrived unexpectedly from the end, in general they did not even have time to sit down. From this point of view, just the same hit of a large cumulative anti-ship missile system on the enemy infantry in the building can be said to be 100% complete.
It is especially worth noting that the rockets fell flat and not nose .. RCC just hits the ships on board and not on the deck from above. So they put the anti-ship missiles right in front of the building, and in the center, and then decided to check with the intelligence what the shock wave and shrapnel impact were to use the anti-ship missiles in a non-standard way if they were locked. Regarding the equipment of anti-ship missiles with a nuclear warhead ... in this case, + -100 meters is not critical))

[simara]

again, given the lack of sandbags and other fortifications suggests that it was a school (or academy) of militants. And now the question! long one-story unprotected building with enemy manpower. how to disable maximum enemy? also, we don’t know in which room exactly how many fighters. It’s best to hit in front of the building. Warhead weight 300 kg. I think there is an explosive stronger than TNT 10 times, well, let's say 5 times. a total of 2 rockets of 1500 kg each in TNT exploded under a window in the center of a one-story building with large windows.
Question to experts what will be the damage to the militants?
It seems to me that there will be no survivors in the center, but living cripples will remain around the edges ... hearing impaired, sighted and mentally disabled at the same time. Somewhere like that.
If a specialist in explosions speaks out and gives an approximate alignment of injuries throughout the building, I think this will close the discussion on the question of "hit-miss").

[simara]

I watched the video again. First, 2 rockets are laid down in front of the building, then another hit on the booth. If the first 2 are in school, then I did not understand the last hit. What should be in the booth? given the specifics of the East))) there is most likely a shared toilet .. with a hole in the ground and with entrances from 2 sides M and F)). That is why it was necessary to spend an RCC worth 3 apartments in Moscow on a toilet?))))) I think that from above they ordered to hit a small-sized target and, by filming, show the world and personally VV. Considering Putin's order to "wet in the toilet," the missilemen still got pinned from the bottom of their hearts following the order and at the same time showing the soldier's ingenuity and humor))))

[Philip Staros]

it seems to me that it’s better to shoot in the center of the building, so that the shock wave passes through the pipe in it ... So another building is struck in the video - there the dust flies from the far end of the building already ...

[RASKAT]

if I’m not mistaken RCC usually with cumulative warhead

You are mistaken on penetrating warhead are penetrating warheads.
Warhead anti-ship missiles R-700 granite.

[simara]

for example, but BB does it have the same meaning

[Tektor]

Onyx was previously positioned as a universal rocket, i.e. which can work both on the ground and on the ship. But the accuracy of work on the Onyx land is clearly not enough: a miss of tens of meters is nowhere. Need modernization, as the versatility of this CR makes it a great addition to the Caliber and Iskander: unlike the 3M-14, it has a speed of 2,5 times higher, although at less than 2 distances, and unlike Iskander, it can fly at low altitude and bypass zones Air defense.

[Halim Aymasov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

it starts beautifully! ... for whom an angel, and for whom a demon ...

Quote: Monarchist

Yeah, they are deliberately in the garden of a neighbor's snowstorm. A dangerous one thinks right

[Egg]

Necroposters got to VO :)