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Who else should surprise Putin? To the arrest of Minister Ulyukayev

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So, something happened that no one expected. No, really! Just a week ago there was a rather sharp note about the untouchability of the "new nobility", and here is a rather unexpected result.


Who else should surprise Putin? To the arrest of Minister Ulyukayev


Russian Economic Development Minister Alexei Ulyukayev arrested! And arrested, as reported in the Investigation Committee, for a banal bribe. Although the word "banal" here is not very suitable. Large, "not banal" people take and bribes are not "banal."

As the representative of the RF IC, Svetlana Petrenko, told TASS, the arrest is related to the acquisition of Rosneft, PJSC, ANK Bashneft’s state package.

"Circumstances of the crime are connected with the acquisition of state-owned Alexei Ulyukaevym 14 in November by $ 2 million for the positive assessment issued by the Ministry of Economic Development, which allowed Rosneft to complete the acquisition of the state stake in PJSC ANK Bashneft in the amount of 50%."

"Currently, the minister has been detained. In the near future, the investigation is planning to charge Alexey Ulyukayev and petition for the choice of a preventive measure."

The fact that the "untouchables" exist, they say even the old woman on the benches. The higher the status of such a person, the more difficult it is for operatives to approach him. The "steeper the roof" and the greater the pressure on the investigating authorities. Alexey Ulyukayev was one of such “celestials”. It was hard to believe that something would happen that happened.

“This is about extortion of a bribe, involving threats to representatives of Rosneft. Ulyukayev was detained red-handed while receiving money,” said Petrenko.

"A criminal case was instituted under the ch. 6 Art. 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - receiving a bribe on a particularly large scale."

An official of this level could not be in the "development" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is not a reproach to our police officers and staff of the Investigative Committee. Alas, this is a common statement of fact. Therefore, the operation to develop and detain the minister was conducted by FSB officers. It was the FSB that conducted the whole complex of events. And it is the FSB that is credited with this arrest.

Today, the Ulyukaev case is handled by the General Directorate for Investigating Particularly Important Cases of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation. If the fact of a bribe is proved, and now it is clear that the arrest warrant for an official of this level was obtained only with “reinforced concrete” evidence, if the case is classified according to the article on which it was initiated, Ulukaev faces the real term from 8 to 15 years and quite serious fines.

We often talk and write about the rule of law, the inevitability of punishment, the transparency of transactions in business. Beautiful and correct words that go like water in the sand. Like all the pros. From the stands and TV screens, everyone, precisely everyone, actively supports this axiom. Moreover, they "demand" an even more radical approach to this issue. "Let's be like in China!"

And it happens day after day, month after month, year after year. During the next "exacerbation" of the campaign they catch and punish someone. Take off the "mired in corruption" of the investigative bodies. Work is in full swing! Bravura reports of chiefs of different levels sound. The country is "cleared" from the 90's heritage.

And then the man goes out. A person sees cars as "poor, muzzled by work" officials. A person sees their "shacks" in elite settlements. True, he sees from behind the fence. Usually in such villages the entrance is very limited. The person is talking to an individual entrepreneur who was “asked” to get out by local officials who “planned” to build a regular shopping mall “for the population” at this place.

Why am I doing this? Yes, just remembered the background of this arrest. It was not so long ago, because many readers remember it.

October 12, Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at the VTB Investment Forum “Russia Calling!”, Expressed surprise at the final government decision. The result was an interesting situation. When one state company buys another state company. And all this is happening in the framework of the privatization of state assets. Do we privatize ourselves?

But the most interesting thing is that the company-buyer is also included in the program! And an interesting solitaire. Rosneft buys 329,69% of Bashneft’s shares for 50,08 billion rubles and then ... privatizes itself. Imagine what an increase in the value of its own shares was planned by Rosneft!

What, our economists have not seen this? Probably seen. Moreover, in the press flashed reports of disputes with Ulyukaev, Deputy Prime Minister Dvorkovich and presidential aide Belousov. In defense of the position of the Minister of Economic Development, First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov spoke. So what?

It took Putin’s personal “surprise” with this deal so that the specialists “began to work.” And if Putin was not surprised? If in a multitude of state affairs did not notice a single, single transaction? If, finally, VTB had not organized an investment forum?

But what happened happened. Minister arrested. Maybe even it will be a signal "untouchable"? The arrests of governors and city mayors did not make a serious impression on the Olympus. Maybe the appetites of those who are "at the trough" will be reduced after this arrest?

And the second question. Maybe we should do something to eliminate the dependence of the special services on local officials? From all these ministers at the regional and federal level? Maybe you should “run a pike” in the Russian “pond”? So that the crucians understand what they can and cannot do! More precisely, to understand something, they understand, that's just why they do not care?

Putin's surprise is expensive. Especially if Ulyukaev really sits down (you know, there are options, we know). It is unfortunate that Putin cannot be surprised every day. And it would be nice.
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  1. Gardamir
    Gardamir 15 November 2016 08: 31
    +20
    History is always a history of disease
    And their natural ending.
    A moth dancing over the abyss
    Everything is not enough for him.
    Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-2015


    Why play, why dust
    On this crooked path.
    He sought to the gods. Only forces
    Did not calculate a bit.
    Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-201


    Banners raised, in the pontoons rubicons,
    And the Romans are fighting for a piece,
    And they go through the strait, columns go.
    To the west? To the East?
    Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-2015


    Do not go to the fortuneteller - go to the money changer:
    Change your insight to luck
    Let’s get lucky, at least with rubles,
    And even with the selectivity of vision,
    Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-2015


    You are in the field. You are alone. Not a warrior
    And so - carrier arquebus.
    You are not worthy of respect
    Like a minor rank and fifth ace,
    Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-2015


    Poems of the former minister.
    1. DanSabaka
      DanSabaka 15 November 2016 08: 35
      +34
      So-so poems .....
      The problem now is to find not a literary critic, but an incorruptible judge ... Otherwise, the minister will remain a minister, without the prefix "former" ... But to find incorruptible in Russia is a problem ...
      1. 97110
        97110 15 November 2016 10: 39
        +9
        Quote: DanSabaka
        And to find incorruptible in Russia is a problem ....

        Capitalism duck ...
        1. Turai
          Turai 16 November 2016 00: 58
          +10
          The king is good ... Boyars, boyars are bad ...
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 November 2016 13: 31
            +1
            Quote: Turai
            The king is good

            What is the monarchy in Israel ????? laughing
      2. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 15 November 2016 12: 00
        +6
        Quote: DanSabaka
        So-so poems .....

        This is not poetry, to put it mildly. This is from the category of slops. Rare "creativity"
        Drive my son, drive away

        You will find on the ball now

        A lot of places where a step forward

        Five hundred optional

        Steps back where they say

        Not everything is always the other way around

        Where not always a convoy platoon

        On the small guys kicked out

        Where not always a gag

        It happens - they say the truth

        There is a head up

        And below - legs

        Where no bread was sprinkled on bread

        And they did not laugh at the wretched:

        Ha ha, hehe, hee hee, huh

        Oh Gods!
        Reading these opuses I drive from myself the thought: “Maybe the minister laid straws, assumed that he would fly onto the bunk? And so, you see, thanks to the verses, there is a chance to get rid of a fool.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 15 November 2016 13: 01
          +14
          if Ulyukaev really sits down

          He will sit down, but that's just where
          - to the shaft
          - on the sofa under house arrest
          - on the seat of his car and wave a little stream to a crowd of journalists.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 15 November 2016 13: 03
          +18
          Quote: nadezhiva
          : "Maybe the minister laid straws, assumed that he would fly onto the bunk?


          Yes, give up. Do many thief ministers sit on our bunks? Omazut and - the ambassador to Venezuela.
          In this part, we clearly copy the justice of America in the times of Twain: "The one who stole the loaf is put in jail, and the one who stole the railroad is sent to the Senate."
          Few examples with Serdyukov and "pink slippers"? This one will be next.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 15 November 2016 13: 18
            +20
            Yes, it’s not even that this one will be next. And the fact that he was born a system that will not go anywhere with his departure and will not change, but will give rise to the same other. This is another show of people to the appearance of a serious fight against corruption. And the rest of us from this system are white and fluffy? From the heads of police departments and local officials to the top?
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 15 November 2016 19: 05
              +4
              Maybe everything is much simpler?
              Maybe he worked for amers for a long time, and did not touch him for various reasons (they developed communications, accomplices, etc.), because the better-known enemy under the hood than the unknown new one. And they took him after the Amer presidential election, while Trump still does not know all our traitors, and did not become president, so as not to set him up.
              After all, now the sweetest thing under Trump is to take up his economy, many of them are harassed from there with Ulyukaev.
              I’m writing from the phone, I’m too lazy to do masochism, write, even though the screen is large.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 15 November 2016 22: 03
                +8
                I believe when they take Chubais for their gills.
                1. captain
                  captain 16 November 2016 03: 10
                  +6
                  Chubais will not be taken for the gills, you won’t wait; he is in Russia watching from some kind of national congress.
                2. stas
                  stas 16 November 2016 16: 06
                  +4
                  Right now! Ulyukaev declares a pledge of all, and he, as Serdyukov, will be released in peace.
                  1. nikon7717
                    nikon7717 17 November 2016 13: 25
                    +2
                    Don't touch Serdyukov. The guy was assigned, he fulfilled his task 100%. But ask about the biographies of Chubais, Gaidar, Ulyukaev. This is one company. they were in the same club of reformers "Perestroika" in the 80s, jointly organized privatization. Note the information about the searches in the office of "Rusnano" headed by Chubais, the day after Ulyukaev's arrest. Draw your own conclusions.
              2. sa-ag
                sa-ag 16 November 2016 07: 37
                +2
                Quote: vasiliev yu
                Maybe everything is much simpler?
                Maybe he worked for amers for a long time, and did not touch him for various reasons (they developed communications, accomplices, etc.), because the better-known enemy under the hood than the unknown new one.

                Namely, which is simpler, got in the way of financial flow, removed the obstacle, they didn’t even dismiss him from his post, in general he most likely refused to put his signature
      3. Berkut752
        Berkut752 15 November 2016 12: 56
        +7
        Quote: DanSabaka
        So-so poems .....
        The problem now is to find not a literary critic, but an incorruptible judge ... Otherwise, the minister will remain a minister, without the prefix "former" ... But to find incorruptible in Russia is a problem ...


        Flaubert's quote: “Mediocrity has flooded the world”

        The American, European, Russian political system is designed in such a way that politicians essentially represent the interests of corporate and financial elites, acting as their representatives and in fact press secretaries. This, by the way, is called democracy. They oppose dictatorships not because of humanistic ideals, but because of a completely pragmatic approach, because centralized management makes it difficult to impose and impose the interests of major transnational corporations and global banks. The purpose and essence of modern politicians is not to be ideologists, reformers, but only to represent the interests of big business and banks in a lucid, charismatic way.

        Even a subtle hint and just a wink from the United States is enough for many officials to be ready to knee-elbow with a willingness to make concessions on any issue, if only to return the format of relations as of November 2013. The moment when the sun shone brighter , the grass was greener, and officials could shop in Milan, buy property for the family and freely take out tons of greenery to Swiss, French, German and English banks. Yes, that glorious period ... but not everyone is allowed to wait. Some are ruined by haste, like children, here and now, a completely pragmatic approach.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 15 November 2016 13: 25
          +6
          Quote: Berkut752
          The moment when the sun was shining brighter, the grass was greener, and officials could shop in Milan, buy property for the family and freely take out tons of greenery to Swiss, French, German and English banks. Yes, that glorious period ... but not everyone is allowed to wait. Some are ruined by haste, like children, here and now, a completely pragmatic approach.

          I don’t think that everything is so bad for them now, they have secured their loved ones from all sides and most likely they don’t have special obstacles, although something was simpler.
      4. Kolya
        Kolya 15 November 2016 21: 22
        +4
        Quote: DanSabaka
        And to find incorruptible in Russia is a problem ....
        Е

        You will never find honest. Circumstances determine human behavior. Mom Teresa and Chicotilo are distinguished only by the circumstances in which they find themselves. The constitution and laws should force to stimulate justice and not the rule of law in society, look then officials will become people. What do you want from civil servants who work according to the rules established at the prompt of Western advisers? There was a time I went to public service. It seemed to me that I could bring benefit to society. Dreamed. Thought how best to do. And you come to work and in front of you an instruction. Dead end. After internal moral torment, I quickly left. After that, I am sure that in the current order, a person who is able to be an official must overcome the moral barrier and become a bloodsucker of the people. And what he explains in his defense is nothing more than for his moral reassurance in which he learned to believe by becoming an immoral person.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 17 November 2016 06: 36
          +1
          Kolya.

          Well done. You understand correctly. A person is operated on by circumstances. More precisely, the conditions of survival. From here moral values ​​begin. And in order to avoid contradictions in society, moral values ​​should be the same for everyone. Under the USSR, this was done by ideology. But since, ideology with the achievement of goals is subject to destruction. Therefore, the tasks of forming common moral values ​​need to be set up SYSTEMIC EDUCATION.

          Then there will be frames and corruption will be within random numbers.
    2. olegfbi
      olegfbi 15 November 2016 08: 39
      +44
      But what happened happened. The minister was arrested. Maybe at least this will become an "untouchable" signal?

      It is obvious that the development was carried out for more than one month and the evidence obtained reinforced concrete. It is also obvious that the sanction was received long ago and at the highest level.
      I'd like to believe that this is the beginning of the change of the liberal team in the government and, accordingly, the adjustment of the country's economic course. Well, honestly, I'm tired of this monetary liberal policy of the government's economic bloc. It is necessary to invest not in "exceptional" securities (waste paper), but in infrastructure projects, production ...! Often invest with risk and with a forecast for many, many years to come, and not counting on instant profit! But exactly only about profit and monetarists / liberals in government think.
      Sometimes it seems that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Presidential Administration, etc. are on opposite sides of the barricades, in comparison with the "Ulyukayevs" ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 15 November 2016 08: 51
        +31
        I'd like to believe
        In vain! The minister just ran into the red light. The rest follow the rules of the road.
        1. Putinets
          Putinets 15 November 2016 09: 25
          +12
          I offer a bet. Red nano take or not? I’ll take for you? On the horse meat bubble
          1. core
            core 15 November 2016 10: 31
            +18
            they don’t take red, he is a virtuoso, they can send him to retirement. and then not soon.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 15 November 2016 11: 01
              +9
              Quote: core
              they don’t take red, he is a virtuoso, they can send him to retirement. and then not soon.

              You are wrong. Ulyukaev will retire. And Red on the arena all evening (as long as there is the USA), alas.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 15 November 2016 13: 06
                +3
                I offer a bet. Red nano take or not? I’ll take for you?

                Ginger will definitely be taken. To the holy place freed from Ulyukaev.
              2. potroshenko
                potroshenko 15 November 2016 13: 08
                +2
                Stupid Ulyukaev drove in and dared to threaten the one who is even closer to the Supreme.
              3. Lelek
                Lelek 15 November 2016 14: 11
                +2
                Quote: Mavrikiy
                And Red on the arena all evening (as long as there is the USA), alas.


                By the way, he is an active member of the Bilderberg club.
          2. Stalevar
            Stalevar 15 November 2016 13: 54
            +3
            if Ulyukaev really sits down (you understand, there are options, we know).

            Here is the key phrase !!! I personally doubt sooo No.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 15 November 2016 16: 34
              +3
              Quote: Stalevar
              if Ulyukaev really sits down (you understand, there are options, we know).

              Here is the key phrase !!! I personally doubt sooo No.

              Sorry to intrude, but I have to express my opinion somewhere.
              It seems I wrote above that Ulyukaev will retire., But after a couple of cigarettes it dawned on me, not a fact. Taburetkin and K, these are his guys, taken on theft, lard +/-, what's the difference. And here is corruption (there is a company, people demand blood, and then a whole min-page. Rating uphill and clean a place for your little man. But I am not opposed to both the first and second.).
              By the way, the floor of the site is spattered about "US elections, but we read, follow, shame on the jungle." And already flickering: with the loss of Clinton, the protection is removed from her proteges. God forbid not the last.
              "And I said he will sit!" (although said on a different occasion)
            2. captain
              captain 16 November 2016 03: 26
              +2
              Dear sirs commenting, remind you of the famous dialogue between Tsar Peter and Yaguzhinsky. At that time, he seemed to be the "punishing sword of the ax of justice." attitude to the Communist Party /, on the proposal of one deputy to chop off his hand for theft, said that in this case, Russia could become a country of one-armed.
            3. berserk24
              berserk24 17 November 2016 10: 15
              +1
              They will plant in six months according to parole and will fight for the rights of convicts !!!
          3. Russia
            Russia 15 November 2016 14: 06
            0
            I propose a reciprocal bet: on 27.10.16/XNUMX/XNUMX, the "Voenny Obozreniye" team wrote an open letter to Poklonskaya about the fraudulent activities of the Federal Socialist Republican Party, headed by M.E.Bugeroy. In n.v. this Bougera is a State Duma deputy of the current convocation from the Republic of Bashkortostan. So will Buger be taken or not taken for fraud with deprivation of the mandate of a State Duma deputy?
          4. SHOCK.
            SHOCK. 15 November 2016 14: 13
            +3
            They won’t take it. He’s in law.
          5. zoolu300
            zoolu300 20 November 2016 04: 27
            0
            I agree. The redhead will not be taken within a year, because he is the "overseer" of the Fed owners for our "oligarchy".
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 15 November 2016 10: 40
          +24
          Therefore, the operation to develop and detain the minister was carried out by FSB officers.

          And who gave permission for the development of the minister? Without permission, order - you wouldn't dare! The head would be unscrewed! The minister was clearly across the board. Such cases are not done alone, but for some reason I am sure no more such high arrests will follow. This penny bribe is just an excuse for someone to remove the minister. Putin himself would not have needed to develop Ulyukaev for more than a year, there would be enough suspicion and he could simply remove Ulyukaev from his post. All that we see on the surface, inside is the struggle of elites, different power groups. Putin, now, has a team "hodgepodge" at the court and Glazyev and Kudrin! Our kind liberal president cannot find a middle ground, feed the oligarchs and please the people!
          1. saruman
            saruman 15 November 2016 11: 12
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            Putin, now, has a team "hodgepodge" at the court and Glazyev and Kudrin!

            The Ministry of Economic Development will either be disbanded, or we have a very high probability of seeing Minister Kudrin as president.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 15 November 2016 11: 43
              +7
              Quote: saruman
              or we have a very high probability of seeing Minister Kudrin as president.

              It is better to endure the insignificance and bribe-taker Ulyukaev at the post than the seasoned agent of the West Kudrin! Perhaps Kudrin for Putin is a connection with the Western elites.
          2. Aleksandr12
            Aleksandr12 15 November 2016 16: 46
            +3
            Ulyukaev began to demand a bribe from Sechin ... a friend of the GDP. He paid for this greyhound. From others, you can take bribes from Miller and Sechen Nini.
          3. Shaitan_by
            Shaitan_by 16 November 2016 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            And who gave permission to develop the minister? Without permission, an order - we would not dare! The head would be unscrewed! The minister was clearly across to someone.

            Exactly. Putin collects key enterprises (resources, defense industry, etc.) under state control. Rosneft - 69,5%. This deal is profitable for him.
            Ulyukaev was against the participation of state-owned enterprises in the purchase of Bashneft, as well as against re-privatization / nationalization.
            However, he signed. After that he was taken as a bribe.
            Ulyukaev is not to take a bribe under the scrutiny of the FSB.
            It seems to me that one of the parties decided to remove this piece from the board.

            What will happen next?
            If Ulyukaev is imprisoned, then the Americans may not recognize the corruption deal, which means blocking the shares of Rosneft (although this will also hit BP).

            But Putin dismissed Ulyukaev in connection with the loss of confidence even before the trial.

            The party will be quite interesting.
        3. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 15 November 2016 10: 59
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          I'd like to believe
          In vain! The minister just ran into the red light. The rest follow the rules of the road.

          Perhaps the appetites of those "at the trough" will decrease after this arrest?
          I agree with you. "Thanks for the warning. We will follow the rules."
          1. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 15 November 2016 19: 19
            0
            I am also warned now, thanks! Now I will even breathe every other time at Rosneft gas stations. So that they would not show me later for gasoline vapors that I 'deliberately and impudently' inhaled.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 15 November 2016 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: olegfbi
        It is clear that the development was carried out more than one month

        They say that more than a year.
        evidence obtained reinforced concrete.

        Yeah. Sechin laid it and grandmother transferred to him under the control of the FSB.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 November 2016 14: 34
          +1
          He was laid by Sechin and the grandmother transferred to him under the control of the FSB
          laughing good
      3. domokl
        domokl 15 November 2016 10: 54
        +17
        Quote: olegfbi
        development was carried out more than one month

        Once upon a time, one of the newly appointed leaders of the Moscow police then literally said the following. To liquidate organized groups in Moscow, I need an order and a day's time. Here is the same case
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 17 November 2016 06: 39
        +1
        olegfbi

        You need to invest in the education system. And then into the goods of group A.

        And everything else will go automatically.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 17 November 2016 11: 04
          +1
          Quote: gladcu2
          You need to invest in the education system. And then into the goods of group A

          - all this was already. IN THE USSR Yes

          Quote: gladcu2
          And everything else will go automatically

          - will not "go"
          - remember the same USSR, and how it ended ...
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 17 November 2016 22: 57
            0
            Cat manul

            The USSR did not die as a result of not the effectiveness of the economic system, but as a result of a management crisis. Corruption. This is what the countries of Europe are undergoing. When their governments are not responsible for national interests.

            Under the control of education and production of group A, medium and small businesses in the context of understandable legislation will raise the country to a very high standard of living.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 15 November 2016 08: 59
      +2
      Let's not run ahead of the engine. Let's see what the court says.
      1. Vladislav 73
        Vladislav 73 15 November 2016 09: 16
        +10
        Quote: GSH-18
        Let's see what the court says.

        Well, well, we've seen it more than once ... Someone has already seen enough, and made conclusions ... And someone else needs to look. For example, Peskov. Only here he spoke in a zombie box, twisted it this way and that, between the lines read like Stanislavsky - "I DO NOT BREAK!" Well, I ended up the same: let's see what the court says! And the court in our country, as you know, for certain categories of citizens is the most humane court in the world! request
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 November 2016 09: 18
        +6
        Quote: GSH-18
        Let's see what the court says.

        Are you about Putin? So he already said that he was aware of what they were going to take the minister
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 15 November 2016 09: 34
          +19
          Who else needs to surprise Putin?

          I think it's hard to surprise Putin at all. He knew and knows the situation in the country and in the ruling class very well. There is only one thing that worries me now: if our president has dug so deeply, will there not be an answer from the "untouchables"? What can we expect from them, or rather: what can they? Personally, I am afraid for Putin's life. For the sake of their own well-being, "these" can do anything. I hope our president knows what he's doing.
          1. bk316
            bk316 15 November 2016 09: 44
            +4
            I hope our president knows what he is doing.

            I think here, as in the elections in the states, everything is calculated.
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 17 November 2016 06: 41
            0
            The president does security.

            Apparently Putin has good security.
          3. zoolu300
            zoolu300 20 November 2016 04: 38
            0
            Do not worry about Putin, because the task of the "hired manager" of the "oligarchy" is to eliminate those who do not follow the rules established by the "oligarchy". Ulyukaev did not follow (violation of the "table of grandmothers" or an attempt to contact the owners of the Fed, bypassing the established "ladder").
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 15 November 2016 10: 26
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you about Putin? So he already said that he was aware of what they were going to take the minister

          The question is significant ... FOR THE FIRST TIME IT WAS NOT ARRESTED AND NOT THE HEAD OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, AND THE MINISTER! That is, it is made clear that the conversation about the untouchables is closed.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 11: 29
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            The question is significant ... FOR THE FIRST TIME IT WAS NOT ARRESTED AND NOT THE HEAD OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, AND THE MINISTER! That is, it is made clear that the conversation about the untouchables is closed.

            That's wrong you understand the situation. This is all very sad indeed. The last honest man survived from the government. Just two million as a minister. This is a trifle for a post of this level. There is a bill for billions. sad Everything is now gone, Russia, the damned komunyaki again sold 37 years.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 15 November 2016 11: 31
              +4
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Just two million as minister

              Serdyukov would be put in the same penal colony with Vasilyeva and Chubais would have been seized ... it will pull for 1000 years.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 12: 00
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                Serdyukov would be put in the same penal colony with Vasilyeva and Chubais would have been seized ... it will pull for 1000 years.

                Are you a Stalinist? Are you 37 years old? Are you not afraid that you will go along with them along the stage?
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 15 November 2016 12: 15
                  +6
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Are you a Stalinist? Are you 37 years old? Are you not afraid that you will go along with them along the stage?

                  Do you think that what Serdyukov and Vasiliev did is beneficial for our country? Or take Chubais ... say nano technology? Have you seen them in so many years? And the money in Skolkovo is swollen excessively and where are the results?
                  As for me ... so I am in my place and do not master the money, especially in such quantities. Have you ever thought that if you take all the money stolen by this fraternity, you can completely renew the army and navy, and still have a couple of top three Olympiads?
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 12: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Do you think that what Serdyukov and Vasiliev did is beneficial for our country?

                    Is it nothing that our army has made great progress in comparison with the 90s? Will you say that contrary to them or something?
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Or take Chubais ... say nano technology? Have you seen them in so many years? And the money in Skolkovo is swollen excessively and where are the results?

                    How do you know that there are no results? They are not required to report to you.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Have you ever thought that if you take all the money stolen by this fraternity, you can completely renew the army and navy, and still have a couple of top three Olympiads?

                    Yeah, everything is stolen straight. Tales I do not need to tell. You komunyakam just to take everything and share. What about making money yourself? Or does soviet psychology interfere?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 15 November 2016 12: 36
                      +7
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Is it nothing that our army has made great progress in comparison with the 90s? Will you say that contrary to them or something?

                      Answer me a simple question-How many military enterprises and educational institutions were liquidated during the reign of Serdyukov?
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      How do you know that there are no results? They are not required to report to you.

                      The babble is counted. At least one example of nano-development department, which manages Chubais name. For so many years that was invented?
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Yeah, everything is stolen straight. Tales I do not need to tell.

                      Well, what fairy tales are there ... Zakharchenko, Governor of the Sakhalin Region Alexander Khoroshavin, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, now there is Ulyukaev ... and this is a very small list of people who systematically and for a long time robbed the country ...
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      You komunyakam just to take everything and share.

                      You look at the point about the Communists and I was identified among them. Are you tired of writing slogans then?
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      What about making money yourself? Or does soviet psychology interfere?

                      I’m a scoop, maybe I’m born in the USSR, but I work and earn without shouting that the communists are all in trouble ..li. Temper your ardor, this is not a rally.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 13: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Answer me a simple question-How many military enterprises and educational institutions were liquidated during the reign of Serdyukov?

                        This is called optimization. Or do you think it was necessary to save everything as Plyushkin is the most inefficient in the army? How do we fight, then what if? Bullet fool bayonet well done?
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Well, what fairy tales are there ... Zakharchenko, Governor of the Sakhalin Region Alexander Khoroshavin, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, now there is Ulyukaev ... and this is a very small list of people who systematically and for a long time robbed the country ...

                        I don’t have to speak my teeth. If someone is to blame, the investigation will find out. And there is nothing here to declare revolutionary slogans.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You look at the point about the Communists and I was identified among them. Are you tired of writing slogans then?

                        Slogans are you komunyak. Especially popular in any season are the two "shoot everyone" and "take away and divide". And besides slogans you have nothing. There is no understanding of what economics is, what government is. And you don't know where to go and, most importantly, how.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I’m a scoop, maybe I’m born in the USSR, but I work and earn without shouting that the communists are all in trouble ..li. Temper your ardor, this is not a rally.

                        Well, work to your health, and do not write any nonsense on the site. Fortunately, now you get paid for your work, and not just say "thank you" as it was in the USSR.
                      2. twviewer
                        twviewer 15 November 2016 21: 37
                        +3
                        Well, the people, they wave with a broomstick, but they don't understand the meaning of their own words. "The bullet is a fool, the bayonet is great," said the great commander, Generalissimo RI. Where are you up to him. The meaning of the phrase is something like this: while the enemy is building a disposition, suddenly go around him and strike with full force, even if there are more enemies. The enemy will mix and run.
                        As for taking and sharing, here too, the Communists have nothing to share - they have everything in common laughing But the capitalists just have something to share.
                        Well, they began to shoot another 1905 and also not the Reds.
                        So study, study and study again. wink
                2. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 15 November 2016 17: 45
                  +2
                  And you know, not enough. It's time for the entire 5 column under the root of lime. And about the stage, you’re afraid of me, my friend, that’s why there is something, but I don’t have to be afraid of anything for a simple engineer. I have nothing to do with money; you know, you are not burdened with a bunch of property.
        3. gispanec
          gispanec 17 November 2016 10: 54
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you about Putin? So he already said that he was aware of what they were going to take the minister

          there would be a ram if he said that he hears for the first time ... you see, not everyone can be taken and planted ... first, the process of coordination with the PU passes .... our nouveau riche deserve to be shot! huge numbers in our homeland, that is, among the people .... Putin and the government should resign ... unless of course they have a clue .... but this will not happen and Ulyukayushka as Vasilyeva will first sit at home, then in the settlement for half a year and freedom to our own billions, and as we paid the communal apartment at inflated tariffs, we will continue to mumble ... ugh ... disgusting ... after all, they steal everything with only one possible (if you agree) and others into the zone ..
      3. Iline
        Iline 15 November 2016 09: 30
        +2
        The ice started anyway. Even in spite of possible weak court decisions. The guys in the government need to think hard and scratch their heads.
        Job posting and theft of money is not the same thing. It will be an insight for them.
    4. ssergn
      ssergn 15 November 2016 09: 02
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      Poems of the former minister.
      ??


      Has he already been fired? Not at all. There are procedural rules, that’s when there will be a court decision and a corresponding government decision, then there will be a former one. Let's respect the law.
      And so, I certainly have no doubt that he will be fired. And yet - and what does the surprise of GDP have to do with it (this is to the authors). We see and hear only what we are allowed to see and hear.
      And yet, I'm glad that we have such a leadership of the special services - they do not look at posts. This is the merit of the GDP, they are directly subordinate to him, if I am not mistaken ... hi
      1. domokl
        domokl 15 November 2016 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: ssergn
        . And yet - and what does the surprise of GDP have to do with it (this is to the authors).

        Read Putin's speech on the forum. There the answer directly from these words from the mouth itself sounds ... That's all fellow
      2. potroshenko
        potroshenko 15 November 2016 13: 22
        +1
        Quote: ssergn
        And yet, I'm glad that we have such a leadership of the special services - they do not look at posts. This is the merit of the GDP, they are directly subordinate to him, if I am not mistaken ...

        You want to say that Ulyukaev did not steal anything in life, and as soon as he got ready for the first time, they took him right away?
        Or is there still a security service for a level in which everyone knows everything, but works after the go-ahead from above? Ulyukaev ran into a friend of the president and immediately got the full, beguiled the shore. This is how manual control of special services works, which you recognized as your comment. And if Ulyukaev didn’t run into those close to him, then he would steal further calmly under an all-seeing eye.
    5. uskrabut
      uskrabut 15 November 2016 09: 10
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      Like a minor rank and fifth ace

      Well, just like a minister looked into the water! Falls .................. mother-mother-mother, - the echo habitually echoed.

      It's time for the highest echelon of power to return the order of 1937, don't go to the fortuneteller, "go to the money changer" ... wassat mother-mother-mother, echoed habitually
    6. Finches
      Finches 15 November 2016 09: 20
      +12
      GDP should be ordered to establish for all leaders of this rank a splash screen on computers, including home ones, with a ticker:"The fact that you are not sitting is not your merit, but our fault." - as a reminder that in the highest echelons of power - the floor is slippery ... laughing
    7. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 15 November 2016 09: 25
      +3
      Thank you for the work of everyone involved in the arrest of the ghoul ... Already howl raise their own, the first deputy chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation in particular. And this count, indicatively, according to the law of wartime ... He has been under development since the summer. Here and the election of Trump .. .Now we will pass you all !!! Ah yes Putin, bravo !!! Bis!!!
      1. standing
        standing 15 November 2016 09: 38
        +6
        Our president seems to be a very happy person. He has so many cool discoveries ahead!
    8. Finches
      Finches 15 November 2016 09: 42
      +12
      And they noticed - they began to take them at night ... A good sign ... laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 15 November 2016 09: 55
        +8
        Quote: Gardamir
        Poems of the former minister.

        Oh, and we have a talented bureaucracy !!!
        We are scolding them all, and there they are --- they are drawn to the beautiful! good
        He writes one oil painting, but he writes this verse. It’s just lovely, not the officials here!
        And I’m sure that the same notorious Chubais is talented not only in management. We sprinkle everything on him, and he can be wonderfully carved on wood, so you will fall in love! Oh, give him an ax and check if this lumberjack is good in fact...
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 November 2016 10: 42
          +2
          the same notorious Chubais is talented not only in management. We sprinkle everything on him, and he can be wonderfully cut out of wood, so you will fall in love! Oh, give him an ax and check if this lumberjack is really good ...

          It is more about flowers - about gardening! ... not to be confused with "sadism"! Florist, according to nonesh ...
          Well, and knows how to cook ... Jeans there - "dumplings"! go well! ... In the sense of "fat" is good!
    9. Captain45
      Captain45 15 November 2016 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Why play, why dust
      On this crooked path.
      He sought to the gods. Only forces
      Did not calculate a bit.
      Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-201

      Prophetic verses, apparently the cat sensed, whose meat was eaten, in general, the music played for a short time, the fraer didn’t dance for a long time. Vasilyeva also composed poems after the arrest, and this one was prepared ahead of time laughing
    10. the most important
      the most important 15 November 2016 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: Gardamir
      Poems of the former minister.

      The fee for public citation has not yet been demanded by the author ???
    11. iouris
      iouris 15 November 2016 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Do not go to the fortuneteller - go to the money changer

      Back in the late "nineties" I heard vague hints that this "poet" takes interest for the execution of court decisions on the payment of sums of money for the purchase of apartments by the military. If this is true, then only part of it and, for sure, he always acted not alone.
      Quote: 97110
      A moth dancing over the abyss

      Quote: Gardamir
      Everything is not enough for him.
    12. stopkran
      stopkran 16 November 2016 16: 02
      0
      Aircraft - steel wings, you fly yourself fly, suddenly Ulyukaev burnt down, well, his mother is still! (from the bowels of the network)
    13. Donhapa
      Donhapa 17 November 2016 07: 50
      +1
      [quote = Guardamir] [...
      Like a minor rank and fifth ace,
      Alexey Ulyukaev. Eight lines about properties, "Banner", 1-2015 [/ quote]

      Poems of the former minister. [/ Quote]
      What a bastard!
      And he took bribes, and wrote poetry ... And all while working
      That's how they work
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 November 2016 08: 33
    +33
    This event will not be a signal to any of the officials. As for me, it was so easy to find a duty ass, which they leaked to the needs of the masses, thirsting for social justice. A ritual sacrifice, as Serdyukov used to be. What, sitting on a bunk? Where there! And this is about the same fate. Subsequently, it will surface somewhere in Rosatom or somewhere else, when the dummy settles down.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 08: 45
      +41
      inkass_98 Today, 08:33 PM New
      This event will not be a signal to any of the officials. As for me, it was so easy to find an ass on duty, which was leaked to the needs of the masses who long for social justice.
      What's the point ?! Somehow I do not see the rallies outside the window demanding the imprisonment of some minister. No, there are certainly moods, but there are no rallies. They could have quietly let go of the brakes, well, in extreme cases, leave with the wording "lost the confidence of the president." No, there is a real war going on between the two groups. One is the siloviki, headed by the president, and the second is behind Medvedev and Co. Mark my word until 2018, more than one minister will change his chair, some to the Maldives, and some to bunks.
      I think that when Chubais is arrested a real "day of national unity" will come in the country, I hope to live to see it!
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 15 November 2016 09: 12
        +2
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        I think that when Chubais is arrested a real "day of national unity" will come in the country, I hope to live to see it!


        It will be the Day of the Great Cleansing of Russia from Great Fel!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 November 2016 09: 19
        +4
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        What's the point ?! I somehow don’t see rallies outside the window demanding that some minister be imprisoned.

        Diana. Why don’t I see you with a poster to put the minister in prison?
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 09: 35
          +19
          Alexander Romanov Today, 09:19 ↑
          Diana. Why don’t I see you with a poster to put the minister in prison?
          Excuse me, that I look so much like a fool, with posters going somewhere there ?! Look at Ukraine go, but to sense. No, you can’t lure me into such processions with any cookies, I only go to the Immortal regiment!

          P.S. Alexander, and therefore you have an American flag ?! What happened?! As I understand it, one of the two, or the Far East has already become part of the United States, or you decided to leave us ?!
          1. Finches
            Finches 15 November 2016 09: 59
            +2
            Alexander is a great original, changes flags like gloves, yesterday I wrote under the Dutch flag ...! laughing hi
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 15 November 2016 10: 21
            +4
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            Excuse me, am I so much like a fool with posters to go somewhere there?

            Yeah, that is, you are complaining that there are no rallies, but at the same time you think that someone who goes to the rally is fools.
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            P.S. Alexander, and therefore you have an American flag ?! What happened?!

            Carvalol
            Quote: Diana Ilyina
            As I understand it, one of the two, or the Far East has already become part of the United States, or you decided to leave us ?!

            Oh Dianochka you were mistaken, only aipi changed
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 10: 49
              +10
              Alexander Romanov Today, 10:21 ↑
              Yeah, that is, you are complaining that there are no rallies, but at the same time you think that someone who goes to the rally is fools.
              Alexander, buy glasses! Where did you see "complaint" the fact that people do not go to rallies ?! I just stated this fact. Moreover, I am generally opposed to all kinds of rallies. No, of course people can and should express their opinion, but I don’t believe in the effectiveness of such rallies. Well, they came out, waved flags, shouted and dispersed, what's the use ?! So do not ascribe to me what I did not say, moreover, from the word at all!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 15 November 2016 11: 22
                0
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                I just stated this fa

                So I emphasized the fact that you are not there
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Moreover, I am generally opposed to all kinds of rallies

                Commendable
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                . No, of course people can and should express their opinion, but I don’t believe in the effectiveness of such rallies.

                And in 1917 it worked, people got smarter. It pleases this.
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 17 November 2016 07: 30
                0
                Diana

                I also have a boss who is not balanced at work. Often the opinion changes. Everyone suggests that with experience inside the office political struggle, his roof has long gone.

                Who knows, the objective opinion of colleagues can be correct.

                However, someone worth thinking about such behavior.
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 15 November 2016 14: 47
            0
            I’m only leaving the Immortal Regiment!
            that is, the immortal regiment of Putin is more dear to you than Victory Day?
            1. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 22: 24
              +11
              Gardamir Today, 14:47 ↑
              I’m only going to the Immortal regiment! That is, the immortal regiment of Putin is more dear to you than Victory Day?
              I see no reason to answer your nonsense! For me, Victory Day and the Immortal Regiment campaign are inseparable and Putin has nothing to do with it! If you do not realize this with your meager mind, then you are even more "not smart" person than I thought about you until now. Your irrepressible hatred for Putin does not allow you to see rational seeds in the Immortal Regiment action. If for you this action is only Putin's and carries nothing but negative, then you are even worse than the crushers, because my grandfathers are in this regiment with me, and if your meager mind does not understand this, then Lavrov's phrase D * B *, for you personally too soft definition! You personally are not much different from the pots-heads, because your consciousness, if any, is not much different from the ukrofashists, follow this forest, not respected!
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 15 November 2016 09: 29
        +23
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        I think that when Chubais is arrested a real "day of national unity" will come in the country, I hope to live to see it!

        Diana you are lovely. love It was then not November 4 to declare a national holiday, but the day when it will be sentenced in court. love love
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 09: 51
          +11
          vovanpain Today, 09: 29 ↑
          Diana you are lovely. love
          Vladimir, thank you very much for that! love A good word is nice for a cat, and for a woman ...! Cheered up all day! love
      4. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 11: 31
        0
        Quote: Diana Ilyina
        I think that when Chubais is arrested a real "day of national unity" will come in the country, I hope to live to see it!

        Why arrest him? For the fact that a person honestly performed and is carrying out the work entrusted to him?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 15 November 2016 11: 41
          +2
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          did the person honestly carry out and is doing the work entrusted to him?

          - and by whom, in fact, "entrusted"? If the State Department or, even worse, the FRS - it is necessary to arrest, definitely laughing
          - I mean that:
          - if you have real information (oh, I doubt that for some reason) - share it. The Lord commanded ... to share
          - if you don’t have such information - keep quiet better, look, pass for smart

          Somehow Yes
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 11: 58
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            if you don’t have such information - keep quiet, look, you will marry a smart

            Why should I go somewhere? You blame you and provide evidence. Have you heard of the presumption of innocence? You would have to arrange another terror for the bloodsuckers komunyaks and 37 years with repressions, wait, your time has passed.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 15 November 2016 12: 26
              +2
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              You blame you and provide evidence. Have you heard of the presumption of innocence?

              - about the presumption - have heard
              - I’m not blaming anyone for anything
              - and the fact that you get along persecute does not need proof No.

              Answer the question better, it is not rhetorical:

              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              Quote: Diana Ilyina
              I think that when Chubais is arrested a real "day of national unity" will come in the country, I hope to live to see it!

              Why arrest him? For the fact that did the person honestly carry out and is doing the work entrusted to him?

              - who instructed Chubais to carry out the work that he, in your opinion, "honestly does"?
              - what is this work?

              - You cannot know the answer to these questions.
              - otherwise you would have no reason to claim that you are "doing it honestly."
              “But you never lie, do you really?” wink
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 13: 15
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                and you never lie, right?

                You well done immediately see a professional boltologist from komunyak. At first, we’re trying to blame it so slyly. Then when you see what didn’t work out, you try to leave the topic and shift the responsibility for your inventions onto me.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 15 November 2016 13: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  You well done immediately see a professional boltologist from komunyak. At first, we’re trying to blame it so tricky

                  - and continue to blame. In irresponsible trepidation:
                  - "Chubais honestly carries out the work entrusted to him and there’s nothing to arrest him"- your statement?
                  - Duc reveal the secret already - hthen for the work that Red performs, and who, in your opinion, entrusted him with this work.

                  That is the whole question for you. And they’ve gotten the dust - dear mother request
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 14: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    and by whom, in fact, "entrusted"? If the State Department or, even worse, the FRS - it is necessary to arrest, definitely

                    Your words? Here you are responsible for them.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    "Chubais honestly performs the work entrusted to him and there is nothing to arrest him for" - your statement?

                    No, not mine. I asked a question, and not without affirmation, unlike you.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    Duc already reveal the secret - what kind of work that Red performs, and who, in your opinion, entrusted him with this work.

                    Managed by RUSNANO. President entrusted. As far as I know.

                    Do you have anything against Chubais other than unfounded allegations? Contact the prosecutor.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 15 November 2016 14: 20
                      +1
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Managed by RUSNANO. President entrusted. As far as I know

                      - finally love
                      - for this, it’s really early to arrest Yes
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 15 November 2016 16: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  immediately see a professional boltologist from komunyak

                  Knowing Roma personally for a long time neighing laughing Introduced this kitty with a membership card, the computer almost turned request
            2. Diana Ilyina
              Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 12: 28
              +12
              IS-80_RVGK2 Today, 11:58 ↑
              your time has passed.
              Oh oh ?!
              I have already quoted many times, but I will repeat it separately for you.
              Trust me, she will pass
              Both democracy and publicity
              And then state security
              Remember your names!


              P.S. By the way, Igor Chubais, log in, I recognized you!
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 12: 57
                0
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                Trust me, she will pass
                Both democracy and publicity
                And then state security
                Remember your names!

                La la la, blah blah blah. Can't live without slavery? Do you want to walk in order, live in barracks and listen to fairy tales about a brighter future?
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                By the way, Igor Chubais, log in, I recognized you!

                What more. There will be such an intelligent, business man Anatoly Borisovich to climb the reserves of dense, uncouth soviet communists of the Stalinists, but how can he have nothing else to do. Unlike you, he works, and does not whistle on sites during working hours about "take away and divide".
              2. vovanpain
                vovanpain 15 November 2016 13: 16
                +10
                Quote: Diana Ilyina
                P.S. By the way, Igor Chubais, log in, I recognized you!

                Yes Diana do not pay attention. This is not worth it either a free or an unwise person of your attention, by the way the former behave rudely. With respect, Diana.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: vovanpain
                  This is not worth it either a free or an unwise person of your attention, by the way the former behave rudely.

                  Self-critical. You will not say anything.
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 15 November 2016 13: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Self-critical. You will not say anything.

                    Are you talking about yourself?
                    Indeed, all you have to do is make an intelligent face with a complete loss of morality and conscience.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 15 November 2016 13: 54
                      0
                      Quote: The Bloodthirster
                      Indeed, all you have to do is make an intelligent face with a complete loss of morality and conscience.

                      To whom, to whom, and not to you komunyakam to speak for honor and conscience.
                      1. Diana Ilyina
                        Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 16: 03
                        +13
                        IS-80_RVGK2 Today, 13:54 ↑
                        To whom, to whom, and not to you komunyakam to speak for honor and conscience.
                        Who squeaks from under a broom about honor and conscience ?! With whom, with whom, but with the Communists, everything was in order with HONOR and CONSCIENCE. You just don’t have to equate any trash like Khrushchev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin with the Communists. They were never real communists, and not on a party card. By the way, your beloved little bit and his brother-de-general, also a native of the "Communist Komsomol members" on party cards, and all our current "ilita" comes from the same place. Only the trouble is, none of them was a communist, they were opportunists, but not communists. Real communists, this is my grandfather who went through two wars from beginning to end, and then rebuilding the country from ruins, building factories, kindergartens, schools, working at the same factories! These are the real communists! They did not burn their membership cards and their Motherland, as your share with your comrades did not trade.

                        And you, dear, a rare abomination, match up with Igor Chubais, it was not in vain that I saw through you!
                      2. twviewer
                        twviewer 15 November 2016 22: 19
                        +1
                        Spring of 1991 all of them were in a single system. At an internship in Austria, where they went to absorb advanced, Western, liberal ideas and continue to carry them to Russia.
                        Alexander Shokhin, Peter Aven, Andrey Nechaev, Alexey Ulyukaev (fourth from left), Anatoly Chubais and ... (apparently Voloshin), as well as Sergey Glazyev.
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 17 November 2016 07: 35
          0
          IS-80

          Have you checked his honor on white sheets?
    2. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2016 08: 57
      +1
      Serdyukov is not sitting because the president’s godfather (rumored).
      Whoever planted him, he is a monument.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 15 November 2016 09: 15
        +10
        Quote: ignoto
        Serdyukov is not sitting because the president’s godfather (rumored).
        Whoever planted him, he is a monument.

        He, on behalf of the president, destroyed the old MO systems and was finally able to carry out real reforms that no one could do before him. Yes, there were distortions and stole the male, but he brought an order of magnitude more benefits. He was able to break the system, which is very difficult. Therefore, no one will plant him.
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 15 November 2016 13: 30
          +1
          Quotation: blooded man
          Yes, there were distortions and stole the male, but he brought an order of magnitude more benefits. Therefore, no one will plant him.

          And is there such a law according to which if Maleh was stolen, but brought more benefits, then they do not plant?
          Or is it not the laws that rule, but the feudal system?
          1. IGS
            IGS 15 November 2016 14: 12
            +2
            No, there is no such law, but there is a GDP indulgence (whether it’s bad, good, but we live in such realities), issued to Serdyukov before his appointment. The gross domestic product knew it would be eaten ... Serdyukov lived up to the supreme expectations, dispersed the old army system, dispersed and destroyed, because he did not understand that this was impossible ... and made way for Shoigu. And why did he put unprincipled women next to him? To meet your sex needs? Do not tell, the reason is different.
            You may be indignant, but it was Serdyukov who laid the foundations of the army that we have now. The state of the Doserdyuk army and its relations with the military-industrial complex threatened the integrity and very existence of our state, reforms would not have saved it, it was necessary to break the system, which he did successfully and knew how, and now there is an opportunity to build a new one. Therefore, I wrote about this about 2 years ago, no one will touch him.
            1. potroshenko
              potroshenko 15 November 2016 14: 24
              0
              Quote: IGS
              And why did he put unprincipled women next to him?

              Because these women he had in the team since tax.
              1. IGS
                IGS 15 November 2016 14: 30
                +1
                This simplified the choice of candidates with whom the general did not know what to do, and this did not fit into the system and understanding. Only this, no more.
                1. potroshenko
                  potroshenko 15 November 2016 15: 03
                  0
                  not only Olga Stepanova, the former head of the 28th tax inspectorate, but also the other three employees of this tax, whose signatures were on the decision to refund taxes after the theft was committed, went to work in Rosoboronpostavka to her former boss Nadezhda Sinikova, who headed from 2004 to 2010 UFNS in Moscow. And the head of the “K” department of the SEB FSB, Viktor Voronin, who initiated a criminal case against Hermitage employees, which led to the arrest and then death of Sergei Magnitsky, headed the public service and personnel department of the Federal Tax Service of Russia. Both Sinikova and Voronin come from St. Petersburg, they are close to the current Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, who led the Federal Tax Service from 2004 to 2007.
                  1. potroshenko
                    potroshenko 15 November 2016 15: 16
                    0
                    The 28th inspection was an important but lower link in the theft of budget billions. During the leadership of the Federal Tax Service, the team of the current Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, there was a rule: tax refunds in the amount of more than 5 million rubles were first considered by the commission in the inspection, and then the final decision was made by the commission in a higher authority - the Federal Tax Service for Moscow, which at that time was headed the current head of Rosoboronpostavka Nadezhda Sinikova.

                    Therefore, it is not surprising that almost all the former officials of the 28th inspection, who signed the decision to return, then went to work with their former leader. This once again emphasizes their belonging to one team.
                    1. IGS
                      IGS 15 November 2016 15: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: potroshenko
                      ... initiated a criminal case against Hermitage employees, which led to the arrest and then death of Sergei Magnitsky

                      Only it is not necessary here negative
                      Quote: potroshenko
                      then they went to work with their former boss

                      Does this somehow contradict what I wrote?
                      1. potroshenko
                        potroshenko 15 November 2016 16: 40
                        0
                        Quote: IGS
                        Only it is not necessary here

                        Well, it accidentally caught on when copying. The main thing is that girls in serious matters are not the first day.
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 15 November 2016 18: 16
              +2
              Quote: IGS
              You may be indignant, but it was Serdyukov who laid the foundations of the army that we have now. The state of the Doserdyuk army and its relations with the military-industrial complex threatened the integrity and very existence of our state, reforms would not have saved it, it was necessary to break the system, which he did successfully and knew how, and now there is an opportunity to build a new one. Therefore, I wrote about this about 2 years ago, no one will touch him.

              Three years have passed, and people still do not understand this. I am simply amazed at human stupidity or unwillingness to see obvious things. After all, we had an example in the history of Milyutin, which contemporaries from the army, to put it mildly, "did not like", but in history he remained the ancestor of the modern army.
          2. co-creator
            co-creator 15 November 2016 18: 09
            +1
            Quote: potroshenko
            And is there such a law according to which if Maleh was stolen, but brought more benefits, then they do not plant?
            Or is it not the laws that rule, but the feudal system?

            Yes, it is a feudal system and it operates throughout the world. Such people are not imprisoned for such small misconduct, and then they give a place for bread for their labors. Such cases were in France (as much as Miterand was involved in fraud with weapons) and in the United States. Honorable resignation and all
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 November 2016 09: 54
        +2
        Quote: ignoto
        Serdyukov is not sitting because the president’s godfather (rumored).
        Whoever planted him, he is a monument.

        Do not believe the rumors ..... Serdyukov managed to "shovel" the Star of the Hero of Russia for 08.08.08 from D. Medvedev's hands, which helped him to jump off.
      3. Rock616
        Rock616 15 November 2016 10: 24
        0
        Serdyukov’s son-in-law is former Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov, and he has no family ties with Putin.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 15 November 2016 11: 36
          +2
          Quote: Rock616
          Serdyukov’s son-in-law is former Prime Minister Mikhail Fradkov, and he has no family ties with Putin.

          Yes, and he didn’t side with Fradkov, he is not listed among his relatives))) But to Zubkov, then yes - you have to be a brother-in-law! laughing
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 15 November 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      As for me, they just found an ass on duty,

      Hooting and the duty officer @ dnitsa ... Not the caliber for the switchman.
      Looks like the FSB has long grazed ...
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 09: 12
        +13
        GS-18 Today, 09:01 ↑
        Hooting and the duty officer @ dnitsa ... Not the caliber for the switchman.
        Looks like the FSB has long grazed ...
        I agree the caliber is clearly not the same! Could be limited to the next governor or colonel of the police, we have a dime a dozen, you can take every second warm, if not every first. And here the development went on for about a year, that is, there was an order for the minister’s citizen, and as you know, the prosecutor general didn’t even order it, the FSB worked, and these guys only work on a command; you know who!
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 15 November 2016 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          we have their pond-pond, you can take every second warm, if not every first. And here the development went on for about a year, that is, there was an order for the minister’s citizen, and as you know, the prosecutor general didn’t even order it, the FSB worked, and these guys only work on a command; you know who!


          From whom do we hear this? Is there another employee behind the computer?
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 15 November 2016 10: 04
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: inkass_98
        As for me, they just found an ass on duty,

        Hooting and the duty officer @ dnitsa ... Not the caliber for the switchman.
        Looks like the FSB has long grazed ...

        It seems like it was already announced that they grazed him for about a year. When Gaizer was taken to Komi, some time later there was information that 18 governors and ministers were in the works, and 12 more were "taken on the pencil" - maybe Ulyukaev from that list, given that Gaizer was covered in September last year. Just almost an anniversary))). Judging by the numbers, the work is not over yet.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 15 November 2016 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          When Gaiser was taken to Komi, some time later there was information that 18 governors and ministers were in development and 12 more were "taken on the pencil" - maybe Ulyukaev from that list,

          I won’t say anything for Ulyukaev, but I read that Gaiser testified against a number of subsidiaries belonging to Vekselberg and is now invited to clarify the situation on these facts.
    4. sergeyzzz
      sergeyzzz 28 November 2016 07: 49
      0
      Enough for you to compare it with Serdyukov. Serdyukov is a former member of the Russian Security Council, he will be protected until the end of his life, and Ulyukaev was not a member of this elite group.
  3. James Bond
    James Bond 15 November 2016 08: 33
    +10
    it would be better to shoot "while trying to escape", it would be a holiday.
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 15 November 2016 09: 53
      +3
      But no ...
      They will "talk" to Leshik, they will love him ... He will say a lot about his accomplices, oh a lot ...
      If Putin nevertheless decided to "clean up" the Augean stables, then you should watch who is now going to "get treatment" abroad ...
      In general, you need to take the entire top of EdRa, along with an iPhone player and dvorkovich ... Gref, Red Tolik, Siluanov, Kudrin ...
      And, as Gleb Zheglov said: "Now I have provided you with a pick in your hands" (c)
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 15 November 2016 10: 27
      +4
      Quote: James Bond
      it would be better to shoot "while trying to escape", it would be a holiday.

      Uh no dear !!! It would be a holiday for "boys" in expensive jackets.
      After all, Ulyukaev did not suffer for a bribe (in the classical version), but for pettiness and ruin. What is 2 million American tugriks for him ?! Spit and grind. It was like he went out into the smoking room and bummed a cigarette, because he forgot his own in the office. For this he got into trouble - greedy. You see, recently our economic government has opened a new "laundry" and is washing bucks and rubles there. On the "back and forth" course, they scrambled astronomical sums, which are now problematic to bring out of the country unnoticed and they need to be attached somewhere. The question is WHERE? And here there is an "acute" need to privatize state property. The "boys" sat down, pokubaturili - all (state assets) rank and rank (according to the positions and positions) were divided, they outlined the problem, they say, there is not enough money for the budget and pensioners have nothing to pay, held an "action" to depreciate assets through the weakening of the ruble and ... ....... the only thing left to do was to launder their instilled money on the sly through privatization and further resale of assets. Nobody was going to implement any business plans ... And here Ulyukaev with his 2 million got in, they say - there is not enough bread. But he is aware that there "jackets" wanted. Now the movement will begin from the government, like, and we figured it out and know where to find money without privatization, and in general this is utter nonsense, it's all the little Ulyukayev who muddied the water here, etc. etc.))) In short, we observe. You can't shoot him Yes
      1. Skeptic Self-Taught
        Skeptic Self-Taught 15 November 2016 11: 14
        0
        You can't shoot him at all. And he should sit in the basement at Putin's dacha ... Otherwise, he will have a "heart attack in the cell" ... Vaughn Shokhin has already spoken out, they say, it shouldn't have been closed ... under house arrest. and there you look quietly, in the cell and would have let them go on the brakes ...
        No, judging by the secondary features, this is a demonstration campaign. Now we’ll see who will express how and who will shuffle pieces of paper from a hangover and with shaking hands ...
        I guess the "financial and economic block of the government" has a bear disease ... The iPhone operator hasn't spoken on Twitter yet? :)
        And Leshik can tell oh how much, he cho, "one steamed on a bunk"?
        1. Donhapa
          Donhapa 17 November 2016 08: 45
          +1
          Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
          You can't shoot him at all. And he should sit in the basement at Putin's dacha ... Otherwise, he will have a "heart attack in the cell" ... Vaughn Shokhin has already spoken out, they say, it shouldn't have been closed ... under house arrest. and there you look quietly, in the cell and would have let them go on the brakes ...
          No, judging by the secondary features, this is a demonstration campaign. Now we’ll see who will express how and who will shuffle pieces of paper from a hangover and with shaking hands ...
          I guess the "financial and economic block of the government" has a bear disease ... The iPhone operator hasn't spoken on Twitter yet? :)
          And Leshik can tell oh how much, he cho, "one steamed on a bunk"?


          They are almost all there in the photographs, which students in the USA are recruited by special services ...
          All sales TV ... and, and all above, in good, "grain" positions, and in fact their place is in the logging areas of Russia
      2. noodles
        noodles 16 November 2016 20: 20
        0
        You can’t shoot, not European, you can’t chop off your hands, the country will be one-armed, you can’t confiscate property, property acquired in sweat
        faces! To sit and be silent and not to mumble and wait when these scumbags will ditch and
        us and our country, so what?
  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 15 November 2016 08: 34
    +15
    58 article, complete confiscation, life imprisonment, removal of an iPhone as it does not know how to manage its subordinates
    1. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 November 2016 09: 00
      +1
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      58 article, complete confiscation, life imprisonment, removal of an iPhone as it does not know how to manage its subordinates

      The main law of our society, THIS LAW OF RELATIVITY IS ONE, IT IS ONE, NOT ON OTHER. Ulyukaev belongs to the second.
  5. Jarilo
    Jarilo 15 November 2016 08: 34
    +5
    Finally! Hope this is just the beginning.
  6. svp67
    svp67 15 November 2016 08: 34
    +9
    Who else needs to surprise Putin?
    Siluanov, Mutko, Nabibulina and Skvortsova ... and then the surprise will pass and it will just be work.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 15 November 2016 09: 14
      +3
      There are a dozen more of them in the government. surprise running around.
  7. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 15 November 2016 08: 35
    +3
    Muzzle snickering, salary was small? am
    1. Grenader
      Grenader 15 November 2016 08: 56
      +2
      It's not about the salary. Such is the system - a person sits in positions, having certain levers of influence on the situation and "skillfully" uses them. Approximately like in the traffic police. Such an environment has formed in our state administration bodies. And now Ulyukaev seems to have found the bottom.
      1. uskrabut
        uskrabut 15 November 2016 09: 19
        +2
        The STSI is a separate diocese. They have a plan going down to collect road taxes from drivers. The bucks are spinning ah ... how big. Recently, after a train in our town, internal security was covered by a traffic police with 9 cartoons in his pocket, and he was taken to the authorities.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 15 November 2016 10: 45
        0
        And Ulyukaev seems to have found the bottom.
        Billis Band has such words: "I understood that I was falling, lower and lower. And when I reached the very bottom, someone knocked from below!" There is no bottom for these ...
  8. Ulairy
    Ulairy 15 November 2016 08: 36
    0
    No, well, fools don't learn anything! Neither "appetites" to moderate, nor former arrests ...
  9. Mihail55
    Mihail55 15 November 2016 08: 38
    +3
    Why then our mayor is sitting ??? Soldered for 12,5 years! Allegedly for attempting a bribe. In fact, he gathered a rally against the "Crooks and Thieves" party. Was he wrong?
    1. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2016 09: 02
      0
      Is it you, by chance, not about Yaroslavl Urlashev?
      So, Zhenya Yeralash is just a drunkard.
      But for this 12 years do not give.
      But the previous mayor is Volonchunas in business. As they said in one film: "There is a test, but there is no place to put it."
      1. unknown
        unknown 15 November 2016 09: 06
        0
        Just a doo and a drunkard (Very politically correct site)
  10. nika407
    nika407 15 November 2016 08: 38
    +10
    I don’t know who and where is being cleared, but it seems to me that with the loss of Clinton-Bush’s position, our untouchable pro-American economists have also lost in untouchability. Most likely the minister will soon or soon, but will be released. He, like, will return everything, pay a fine or something. But all this Kudrino-Chubais company got a bold black mark - a warning.
    1. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2016 09: 04
      0
      There is a version that in 1944 five generals made a coup, and since then all the American presidents are relatives of this five. But, according to statistics, more than three generations of power can not hold.
      Apparently, the time has come to give power.
  11. Alexdark
    Alexdark 15 November 2016 08: 43
    +4
    And the bribe is very strange for such a major minister. At the level of an expired sausage sandwich. On a small thing caught that the most offensive to him.
    1. alexandrastafiev
      alexandrastafiev 15 November 2016 08: 53
      +2
      A bribe of two million dollars for you small things !? Where do you yourself work?
      1. Alexdark
        Alexdark 15 November 2016 09: 01
        0
        Well, I don’t know, they usually take the lowest, small bipod, which they take in billions of dollars in our hands. And here is such a person.
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 15 November 2016 08: 59
      -1
      Do not say that.
      2 000 000 $ the amount is rather big at any level.
    3. uskrabut
      uskrabut 15 November 2016 09: 23
      +2
      Quote: AlexDARK
      Caught on small things, that the most offensive for him

      It seems so to us, but these creatures will take the last penny from an unemployed single mother, they will not disdain. Believe me, I know what I'm saying, I’ve seen it all.
    4. nika407
      nika407 15 November 2016 09: 25
      0
      and that bribe, apparently, is not the main thing. I hope so. Remember Vasiliev. They will say soon or soon that they returned everything and let go. But the sediments of his friends will remain.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 15 November 2016 10: 01
        +1
        Quote: nika407
        They will say soon or soon that they returned everything and let go

        - the very fact of forced removal from the feeder is already a shock for the patient and others like him Yes
        - a very useful GDP initiative, I want to continue ...

        Quote: nika407
        But the sediment from his friends will remain

        - exactly.
  12. Urfin
    Urfin 15 November 2016 08: 44
    +14
    it all started long before October 12th.
    "Surprise" is more like a signal rocket. It was not for nothing that Ulyukaev wanted to resign - he had a presentiment.

    Another thing is interesting here. They'll jail him. But Putin has a different task to ensure the obedience of the rest of the elite. She needs to be convinced that this is not arbitrariness, the boundaries of "flying" and the rules of the game must be clearly defined. Otherwise, we will face seething and the threat of a coup.
    Or Putin could create a close circle of the most devoted people around himself over these 16 years and can now act quite boldly.
    This is interesting. The answer to this question will determine whether the arrest of Ulyukaev is a political and hardware games or is it a real struggle for order in power.
    1. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 15 November 2016 09: 26
      +12
      Urfin Today, 08:44
      it all started long before October 12th.
      I absolutely agree with you. I think that the time has come, it was not for nothing that Putin was strenuously assembling the power block. The National Guard or the National Guard is a vivid example of this, this is the power on which the president will rely so that something does not happen, as in Ukraine. In general, the situation is ripe, the people will support him, of course the "elite" will be against it, because they are used to eating in three throats, and living without a king in their heads, but this is their problem.
    2. Ryzhiy A.P.
      Ryzhiy A.P. 15 November 2016 09: 54
      +1
      I totally disagree. No one will plant him, because precedents exist (Chubais, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva) and it is unlikely that something out of the ordinary will happen. In his practical work as a military lawyer he saw how for 60000 p. threw at the bunk, and for the golden toilets make the boss ... Where is the justice?
      1. Urfin
        Urfin 15 November 2016 10: 56
        +1
        Yes, I agree with your doubt. I have a typo there, a couple of important words are spelled out. His maybe will be planted. What I mean is whether or not they will be planted - the question is not so important.
        Quote: A.P. Ryzhiy.
        Where's the justice?

        Why is she? Justice is a convention. no need to measure everything with justice, so the Crusades are not far away. Faith and the desperate search for justice is a Catholic trick. One must believe in love, people and their happiness. So expediency comes to the fore - this is a feature of Orthodox culture.
  13. siberalt
    siberalt 15 November 2016 08: 44
    +1
    How is he arrested if the preventive measure has not yet been chosen? Or the author cannot distinguish detention from a preventive measure?
  14. Michael_59
    Michael_59 15 November 2016 08: 45
    +2
    Well and what is it?
    Another safety valve to relieve pressure of social discontent, like Serdyukov & Co.?
    Or the victim of the redistribution of property in the country under the guys from the FSB?
    Or the beginning of the cleansing of the senior leadership caste of liberoids?
    1. nika407
      nika407 15 November 2016 09: 27
      0
      Serdyukov didn’t release pressure, but, on the contrary, pumped
  15. iskander491
    iskander491 15 November 2016 08: 45
    +1
    The case will fall apart. He will go to the Crimea to serve hard labor by the ministry.
  16. trophy
    trophy 15 November 2016 08: 47
    +9
    GDP is just somehow enchanted. As soon as he opens his eyes, he is tormented by surprise. But apparently does not want. And as for Ulyukaev, it seems that they simply threw Dvorkovich’s friends with the purchase of Rosneft, here they out of their own rottenness and banged on a colleague, and in full they probably initiated the FSB’s insight process. This is all the internecine showdown at the top. And to us from this as from that margarine, neither harm nor benefit. Who cares who buys cheap State assets, those ghouls from the left or those from the right. Selling, eating (sharing) and tearing away is not a tricky business, but competently managing in the interests of citizens is not a feasible task for the current elite. So I personally see no reason for optimism. Now, if you tied the whole gang led by an iPhone (with very rare exceptions) plus naebulin with a nanist and the like, then yes.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 November 2016 09: 06
      +1
      Maybe the appetites of those "at the trough" will diminish after this arrest?
      The feeder simply contracted, and the appetites remained unchanged.
      Spiders eat each other, which, in fact, has long been predicted. It’s just that they have now reached the level of ministers. I am also not particularly optimistic, it’s only nice that Ulyukaev finally found his bottom!
    2. Berkut752
      Berkut752 15 November 2016 09: 06
      0
      Quote: Trofim
      GDP is just somehow enchanted. As soon as he opens his eyes, he is tormented by surprise. But apparently does not want. And as for Ulyukaev, it seems that they simply threw Dvorkovich’s friends with the purchase of Rosneft, here they out of their own rottenness and banged on a colleague, and in full they probably initiated the FSB’s insight process. This is all the internecine showdown at the top. And to us from this as from that margarine, neither harm nor benefit. Who cares who buys cheap State assets, those ghouls from the left or those from the right. Selling, eating (sharing) and tearing away is not a tricky business, but competently managing in the interests of citizens is not a feasible task for the current elite. So I personally see no reason for optimism. Now, if you tied the whole gang led by an iPhone (with very rare exceptions) plus naebulin with a nanist and the like, then yes.

      Socrates said that there are two infinities - the cosmos and the human foolishness.
  17. Buffet
    Buffet 15 November 2016 08: 47
    +14
    The fight against corruption in Russia is like fishing on Discovery: caught, shown, released. Everyone remembers the case of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov ... Nothing will change.
    1. saruman
      saruman 15 November 2016 11: 01
      0
      Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
      The fight against corruption in Russia is like fishing on Discovery: caught, shown, released.

      Zachoot !!! I’ll take a catch phrase.
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 November 2016 08: 48
    +3
    .. “It took Putin’s personal“ surprise ”with this deal for the specialists to“ start working. ”And if Putin was not surprised? ...
    Unfortunately, over the years, GDP has not been able to build a state system capable of self-cleaning and updating. And I think this is the biggest drawback of his rule.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 November 2016 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Unfortunately, over the years, GDP has not been able to build a state system capable of self-cleaning and updating

      - are right around, but:
      - look at the history of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation
      - has anyone ever - managed to build such a "system"? Or does it only exist in your dreams?
      - IMHO to anyone and never
      - moreover, nowhere in the world there is now such a "system" request

      Quote: vladimirvn
      And this I consider the biggest drawback of his reign

      - exactly
      - And yet Putin never realized the horse-chain of a spherical horse in a vacuum ... wink
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 15 November 2016 10: 28
        +1
        Let me object, dear.
        Hong Kong, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, etc.http: //gtmarket.ru/ratings/corruption-percept
        ions-index / info
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 15 November 2016 10: 32
          +1
          Quote: vladimirvn
          Hong Kong, Denmark, Finland, Sweden

          - there is no corruption, do not take bribes? Do not make sneakers.
          - You still remember China, with the shootings there, huh ...

          And you chose not to answer the main question ... symptomatically, however:

          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - look at the history of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, and the Russian Federation
          - to someone and ever (in Russia) - was it possible to build such a "system"? Or does it only exist in your dreams?

          - Well, what do you say? wink
          1. vladimirvn
            vladimirvn 15 November 2016 11: 17
            +1
            There is a SYSTEM. Authority removed from the official. He is a cog in the car. Therefore, there is little corruption.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 15 November 2016 11: 24
              0
              Quote: vladimirvn
              ... Authority removed from the official. He is a screw in the car ...

              - there would be a "screw" - would be replaced by a computer.
              - since they have not been replaced, it means that the local official did makes some decisions (so I would be surprised if it were different laughing )
              - and if so - there is a basis for corruption. And corruption too Yes

              Quote: vladimirvn
              Therefore, there is little corruption.

              - niochem (R)
              - a little, a lot ... a self-cleaning (yeah, shchazz) system ...
              - Dreaming, in short, is not harmful ... but no one has ever implemented such a system anywhere. Point.

              Something like that request
              1. vladimirvn
                vladimirvn 15 November 2016 11: 58
                +1
                ... few, many ...
                see statistics and rating, not taken from the ceiling. There is no ideal, but it is necessary to strive for it. And this is really the point.
              2. potroshenko
                potroshenko 15 November 2016 13: 51
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - niochem (R)
                - a little, a lot ... a self-cleaning (yeah, shchazz) system ...
                - Dreaming, in short, is not harmful ... but no one has ever implemented such a system anywhere. Point.

                Some verbiage. What "this"? Where was the talk about the spherocon? There is less, there is more, there are ratings and data. Troll by substitution of concepts. You don't have to waste your time further.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 15 November 2016 13: 55
                  0
                  Quote: potroshenko
                  Troll substitution of concepts

                  - pull up a letter, learn cases to observe ... then write something
                  - and read ALL ALL comments in the branch, you will find the spheronus, and much more
                  - woodpecker, damn it, wooden fool
  19. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 15 November 2016 08: 50
    0
    Wait and see.
  20. spirit
    spirit 15 November 2016 08: 51
    0
    The man simply thought that it was necessary to economically develop his pocket and not the Country laughing
    1. unknown
      unknown 15 November 2016 09: 09
      +4
      Not without reason, Medvedev is opposed by all means to ratification of European anti-corruption instruments. Confiscation of all property, including those registered with relatives, if they cannot prove the reality of their acquisition by them.
  21. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2016 08: 53
    +2
    ..This is called .. You noticed, we answered .. You didn’t notice .. we don’t answer .. The President was surprised .. the authorities checked .. The President is not surprised and the authorities are silent ..
  22. kig
    kig 15 November 2016 08: 53
    0
    Of course, this will be a signal. A signal that it is better to prepare the transfer of gifts. To make it harder to approach.
  23. then
    then 15 November 2016 08: 54
    0
    I was also surprised. But how the Central Bank was surprised!
  24. Zulu_S
    Zulu_S 15 November 2016 08: 54
    +2
    I bet that in the "liberal" press there will now be a howl about "provocations of the special services and KGB lawlessness." And about the multi-pass with the privatization of the privatized, who just did not write! So it would be nice to probe the prospective beneficiary (a group of people), and at least drive them away from the trough!
  25. Damir
    Damir 15 November 2016 08: 55
    +2
    the arrests have long been more or less in order ... but the matter doesn’t reach the court ..... maybe something needs to be corrected at the conservatory ???
  26. Bekas1967
    Bekas1967 15 November 2016 08: 55
    +1
    Alekperov was invited to the car to VVP. I asked him: why did you not buy Bashneft ??? Well, he leaked the ins and outs of the deal, complained to the TS. I think, Sechin, an unexpected person will arrive soon! Everyone there has long lost their reference (((((
  27. Vladimir Matveyev
    Vladimir Matveyev 15 November 2016 08: 56
    +2
    There would be THERE, and I (you) would steal (s), however, the trend has been from the 90s.
    And this trend was laid by Yeshe Gaidar and Yeltsin. Remember the article by Gaidar that we urgently need to create a class that will protect their power? This is what theft went for a walk with.
  28. yahont
    yahont 15 November 2016 08: 57
    0
    Happiness is what. Finally I got a little darling, rather plant until I ran away. laughing laughing
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 15 November 2016 08: 57
    +2
    Maybe they will turn from Minister Ulyukayev into a "victim" - to show the people that the work to combat corruption is underway, and there are no untouchables. One will be imprisoned and so it will remain. The country has developed a pyramid of corruption, and each lower level has support from the top. -that first you need to stir up the thieves' gadyushnik in Moscow (and there are thousands of them), then in the regions (and there are already ten thousand).
    And yet. A lot of dirt has already accumulated precisely in the law enforcement agencies, judges, prosecutors, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and the Investigative Committee about the FSB too, not to forget about them! hi
  30. Stinger
    Stinger 15 November 2016 08: 57
    +2
    What is this investigative experiment during which the money was transferred? 2 million greens weighs 20 kg. Good health at this pepper! No wonder he writes poetry.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 15 November 2016 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Stinger
      2 million greens weighs 20 kg. Good health at this pepper!

      - How much does it weigh, for example, with a Visa card? Yes
  31. Petrovich1952
    Petrovich1952 15 November 2016 08: 58
    0
    He will sit at home under house (arrest) as Serdyukov and Kompashka and again to the arena in a different capacity
  32. serg1970
    serg1970 15 November 2016 08: 58
    0
    Find the bottom. Something seems to be gone cleansing agents of imperialism, while in the states inter-power.
  33. Poronay
    Poronay 15 November 2016 08: 59
    +2
    To take away from him and his relatives money, bills and all property, movable and not movable, and let go in peace to the real world of life with a salary of 12.000 tr. And do the same with all the bureaucrats dishonest, this will be a lesson !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  34. Sergey Shagilov
    Sergey Shagilov 15 November 2016 08: 59
    +1
    We were already passing on the likeness of this (Oboronservis) and that someone is sitting, they won’t even plant, a lot of money, a lot of money, they will make you quiet and quietly make amends, although God forbid that I make mistakes. It’s just that these majors in power have long been cut off.
  35. Karabin
    Karabin 15 November 2016 08: 59
    +4
    Maybe the appetites of those "at the trough" will diminish after this arrest?
    Right now! There is less one eater, so others will get more. The spiders in the jar began to eat each other. That's the whole system. Apparently the "pie" really dries up, but the appetites are the same.
    Putin's surprise is expensive.
    He is already 17 years all surprised and surprised.
  36. fif21
    fif21 15 November 2016 08: 59
    +4
    The banks were beguiled by the "philosopher". To extort a bribe from a friend of Putin - Sechin fool Suicide! I am shocked by the mental abilities of the Minister of Economic Development! hi
    1. avg-mgn
      avg-mgn 15 November 2016 09: 24
      0
      Putin either has no friends or all of Russia as a friend. There is no need to screw a metric nut onto a bolt.
      1. fif21
        fif21 15 November 2016 09: 37
        +1
        Quote: avg-mgn
        Putin or not friends, or friends all of Russia
        Got it! Guarantor over the fight wink And about the left-hand thread, you hope have heard wassat
  37. A jacket
    A jacket 15 November 2016 09: 03
    0
    Here is another one:
    First Deputy Chairman of the Central Bank of Russia Sergey Shvetsov called the absurd reports of a criminal case against Minister of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukaev, RIA Novosti reports.
    “I have great respect for Alexey Valentinovich. Last of all, he could be suspected of something like that, ”he said. According to Shvetsov, "what is written in the press looks absurd." “Nothing is clear now,” he concluded.
  38. baudolino
    baudolino 15 November 2016 09: 04
    0
    An incomprehensible article of some kind. As if, except for Ulyukaev from government officials, no one has lately been detained for bribes. The jamb has gone!
    But in order to clean our swamp from the 90s, time is needed and the forces are not small.
    Either help the state fight or go work and earn. In order not to cry, how poor we are, and all around are rich.
  39. ivagulin
    ivagulin 15 November 2016 09: 04
    +1
    did not share
  40. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 15 November 2016 09: 05
    +4
    And one thing is interesting to me, if with the well-known events the real term is still written out, how will the "boss" Ulyukaev behave? Namely, Mr. Medvedev? Maybe a real "gentleman" will resign or the bosses are not responsible for their subordinates? After all, it is a shame to the Prime Minister personally for the selection of such "crystal-honest" personnel in his "team".
    For example, for some corrupt police officers who have come across, at least the head of the department immediately flies out of office ... Double standards? lol Or is the altitude different?
  41. stopkran
    stopkran 15 November 2016 09: 06
    +1
    It seems that the “new oprichnina” has begun. Andrey Fursov. A new oprichnina is coming
    http://my.mail.ru/mail/se-va.da/video/30/494.html
  42. Damask
    Damask 15 November 2016 09: 07
    +1
    They will let me go again, they will repent and go home like Serdyukov and her friend
  43. Armax
    Armax 15 November 2016 09: 09
    +1
    Has it really begun?
    The news just lifted the mood in the morning! I waited a long time for this "stable" (Cabinet of Ministers) to start cleaning.
    I'd like to believe that this is only the first "swallow"
    (although ... this "face" has nothing in common with the swallow.)
  44. umka571
    umka571 15 November 2016 09: 09
    0
    The story develops in a spiral, because how many times has it happened before, we have a good prime, here are subordinates caught shit, substitute it at every step
  45. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 15 November 2016 09: 13
    +1
    It smelled fried.
    ..Medvedev discussed with Putin the detention of Ulyukaev
    “The head of government believes that it is necessary to conduct the most thorough investigation of this case,” the Cabinet noted.https: //www.lenta.ru/news/2016/11/15/disc
    ussed /
  46. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 15 November 2016 09: 13
    +1
    The minister is arrested.
    So arrested or detained? If he is arrested, then there is a court decision, therefore there was an operational development and irrefutable evidence of a "deal".
    The work of the special services that did not allow information leakage is respectful, because when they work continuously with a contingent of this level, holes arise in addition to the desires of specialists.
  47. morpogr
    morpogr 15 November 2016 09: 14
    +1
    Most likely there is a major update to the top. And the rearrangements of the security forces, as well as the creation of new departments with new powers, indicate this. In the near future, there will probably be a reformatting of the ministries of the non-power bloc. And someone in retirement, and someone in jail. The time for this is optimal. The Duma is new, everything has been decided in the USA, Europe is not up to it. wink
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  49. samuil60
    samuil60 15 November 2016 09: 20
    0
    Well, really !? Miracle, a fairy tale! And they will put me in !? Crayfish on the mountain die from a whistle, and all the wolves die in the forest ... This will be the greatest and most joyful miracle in the last half century! But, because once you have to start! And then take a break ...
  50. Alekspel
    Alekspel 15 November 2016 09: 24
    +5
    I am not surprised at anything and the most regrettable is that Ulyukaev is not the only one. A whole galaxy of non-humans has grown which is still scarce. And do not call them elite, it is rather human rubbish. After all, he did not eat the last crust, his children did not sit on the porch, rather, they simply had nothing more to want. And all the same, he steals. I think this is a disease that must be treated like in China - a bullet. It is necessary to spit to the west and introduce the death penalty for especially dangerous acts, which was abolished even with the drunk Yolkin in order to steal with impunity, and not at all because not to shoot the innocent. And so they became insolent. It is clear why the people worship Stalin, after death they still have worn boots and a worn uniform with an overcoat for personal use, but a huge powerful country has remained a legacy to future generations. And what will these Ulyukaevs leave behind? Fight among the heirs for yachts and maybachi? And the curses of the robbed people addressed. Because they are incapable of anything other than theft. How many years he headed the Ministry of Economic Development? And what developed? Anyway, what did the Medvedev government develop with such ministers? I won’t be surprised if he is caught in a bribe.