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Flight or flight? ..

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Against the background of Trump's victory at the end of the presidential race in the United States and Europe’s stunned about it, news the victories of the socialists in Bulgaria and Moldova did not shock the European officials, although they acted as a continuation of a series of unpleasant "surprises" for Brussels. There is no shock, but a frank Euro-insolvency manifests itself.


Everything earned by honest hard work ... - the European Union cries out, wondering what it can lead to not only, to put it mildly, critical statements about Trump from the Eurocrats, but also the possible loss of the “democratic” landmarks in the south-eastern outskirts of the EU and their limits.
To what extent the newly minted presidents of Bulgaria and Moldova (even if one considers that the latter is not in the EU) are pro-Russian - this is a separate question. But the very fact that both Rumen Radev (his result is 59%) and Igor Dodon (the result is more than 52%) are in favor of restoring a partnership with Russia, bringing Brussels to a sense, felt like from a heavy slap.

Flight or flight? ..

In the photo - the new president of Bulgaria, Major General Rumen Radev


In the Bulgarian segment of social networks, the comparison has already been tried:


So, the “Euro-optimistic” candidates represented by Maya Sandu in Moldova and Tsetsky Tsacheva lost. Against the background of the defeat of another lady from the camp of the apologists of the modern understanding of democracy - H. Clinton - it’s downright unmarried week turned out in world politics ...

After the defeat of the candidate for the European coalition, Prime Minister Boiko Borisov, who, during his tenure at the post, remembered having played the “daisy” - will support or not support Sofia’s construction of the South Stream, resigns. Mr. Borisov, as an official of a country located in the European Union for an economic misunderstanding and completely dependent on the Brussels agenda, initially zealously took a visor, declaring that sanctions against the Russian Federation maintain and break off contacts with the Russian Federation on the construction of the said gas pipeline. The EU bureaucrats of the other from their doll in the Bulgarian TYuZ (crossed out) government and did not wait. But he looked askance at Boyko Borisov when, after some time, he began to declare that Brussels had inflated the Bulgarian side.

And after all, he really inflated: the Golden Mountains were promised to the Bulgarians in the form of compensation for the refusal of a contract with Russia to create a gas pipeline under the Black Sea, they promised help with energy sources from other sources within the European energy packages, promised, promised ...

Time passed, and the Bulgarian people began to think that from promises to reality - an abyss. Prime Minister Borisov also began to think ... that the Bulgarian people may be angry and give preference to political rivals during the elections. Therefore, Borisov’s statements that he, he says, is ready to discuss with Moscow questions of a return to the construction of the South Stream, could be regarded not as a real readiness to restore contacts, but as an attempt to imitate violent activity. For what? Yes, everything is simple - in order to reassure the electorate, which, following Borisov’s new statements, according to his logic, would have to give preference to the same “pro-European” forces during the presidential election. It did not happen ... In vain Brussels looked askance.

In any case, did not happen. The Bulgarian population to the pro-European candidate Tsetske Tsacheva showed a figure from a certain combination of fingers, but the candidate from the socialists was told “yes!” Boyko Borisov in hearts put a resignation on the table. In Brussels will be considered. Well, not in Sofia ...
Against the background of the change of power in Bulgaria, local mass media again flared up as to whether Bulgaria needs to wag its tail in the direction of Brussels and still return to the South Stream project or not. Bulgarian sources report that President-Socialist Radev may make an attempt to enlist the support of Moscow in matters of energy cooperation, and Moscow can make such contacts.

The question of energy cooperation was commented on by the press secretary of the president of Russia Dmitry Peskov. In a short interview with the newspaper "News" Dmitry Peskov noted that by the way the situation manifests itself today, the prospects for resuming the construction of not only the South Stream gas pipeline, but also the Belene NPP look minimal.

For this interpretation in Bulgaria (and not only, it should be noted in Bulgaria) caught. They say: the minimum does not mean zero. There are a lot of people in the country (including business representatives) who understand perfectly well that the purchase of gas directly from Russia and the issue of generating sufficient amounts of electricity for the country is not only a matter of national energy security, but also a certain opportunity to demonstrate one’s Bulgarian “I” to Brussels. But after all, the fact that Bulgaria is a state, and not a region within the EU, and that the country has its own “I”, the Bulgarians in recent years have begun to really forget. What will, what bondage ...

But does it make any sense for Russia to return to the question of resuming work with Sofia on the gas pipeline? Considering the fact that interaction with the “apologized” Ankara on the construction of the Turkish Stream is underway, the construction of the South Stream is also economically far from expediency. And with whom to engage in dialogue (if at all) in Sofia? Firstly, the victory of a socialist is at least a declarative and headache for the EU, but does not mean that the socialist will start to make the EU brain with statements about the need to rush into the arms of the Russian Federation (Hollande, after all, is also a kind of socialist ...) . Secondly, even if Rumen Radev has a desire to get closer to Russia, even the hypothetical opportunity to restore full-fledged economic relations with Sofia rests on the solvency of this very Sofia. Recently, the country has lost not only political but also economic sovereignty. The only economic substance on which the financial system of the country rests in addition to tourism and the declining agriculture is the credit influences from the EU. Whether the EU will be ready to finance Bulgaria for the construction of Belene NPP and South Stream is a question whose answer is obvious: no!

The fact is that even in such non-poor EU countries as Germany, gas pipelines are sold to the Russian gas giant Gazprom (as, for example, the continuation of the Nord Stream branch to the Czech border), bypassing the restrictions of the so-called 3 energy package, so that the pipe was corny was something to fill. At the same time, Europe is faced with the fact that it itself will have to invest in the construction of a pipe to meet the continuation of the “Turkish Stream” - to the border with Turkey. What kind of financing for the Bulgarian dream? ..

And against the background of the tectonics of uncertainty so tangible for the EU, both across the ocean and on the southeastern frontiers, Brussels is certainly not up to individual Bulgarian and Moldovan perturbations. The European Coalition in Chisinau failed, Dodon said that he would make the first foreign visit to Moscow. In Bulgaria, the president is a man who gained professionalism at the helm of a Soviet military aircraft. True, both in Chisinau and in Sofia, Mr. Ataman has a lot of gold reserves ...

Here is a mystery - so who exactly is in the span? ..
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 15 November 2016 06: 41
    +19
    The next year will show .. "Who is hu" Both in Moldova and Bulgaria, and in other places .. Too much optimism, I am more restrained in these processes, there were different figures in power, in Moldova even the communist Voronin .. And what's the bottom line?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 15 November 2016 07: 05
      +1
      Here is a mystery - so who exactly is in the span? ..


      what Miracles ... we look forward to further developments.
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      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 November 2016 13: 45
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Miracles ... we look forward to further developments.

        Yes...! "what an interesting life is promised!" (C) k \ f "two comrades served." yes
        1. Bath Rumbets
          Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 01: 20
          0
          Yes! * one table, another barrel * (C) from another film soldier
    2. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 00: 59
      +1
      :))
      Hope that some Yeltsin does not come to power, otherwise you will not have time for Bulgaria, dear
    3. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 01: 34
      0
      Brothers, do you remember when a few years after the Liberation (THANKS FOR YOU FOR ALL AGES !!!), together with their Romanian brothers we traveled to Bulgaria and how many Bulgarians died because of your ambitions ??? :))
      Can you tell me how many Russians were killed in World War II, in which the Bulgarians were on the side of Hitler ??? M ??? :)))))))))
      From Bulgarian weapons
    4. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 19 November 2016 21: 07
      +1
      Bulgarian General, Man, Man and President:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbwBvdExGVo
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 November 2016 07: 08
    +6
    Bullshit all this yes Bolgar confidently holds eggs for Brussels. If something is fundamentally changed, then you need to break out of these clutches that have already virtually destroyed the country's economy and made it an ordinary supplier of working hands. aimed at improving the situation in the country will be suppressed and leveled request So to one place all these changes. Whoever pays a girl dances her, especially as she lives under one roof
    They can travel around Moscow and wherever they want (after all, window dressing is one thing), but if it comes to something serious (and things are different) then the Bulgarians will simply let them know that nothing will work request You have to live by the rules of the one under whose roof you live ...
    Personally, my opinion hi
    1. Skeptic Self-Taught
      Skeptic Self-Taught 15 November 2016 08: 16
      +2
      I agree. NATO and the EU will not allow them to leave, although if there is such an attempt, then the Maidan in Sofia - it will be interesting to see ...
    2. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 10: 57
      +8
      Each year, in the name of subsidies, Bulgaria receives about a billion euro from the EU. For a small country like Bulgaria, it’s huge money. Almost all infrastructure projects are financed by Europrojects. The entire political class, or rather party party, steals from this money. As for ordinary people, they like the ability to move freely and work in Europe. For students there are scholarships to study at European universities. For Bulgarian companies, no matter how limited their capabilities, the European market is needed and profitable. Therefore, no one in Bulgaria is interested in the country leaving the EU and, in general, the EU prefers most of the Bulgarians! For Bulgaria, by the time there is no other alternative. Ksati, there is no contradiction in the fact that the Bulgarians are at the same time very positive towards Russia and the Russians. According to opinion polls around 76-82% of Bulgarians sympathize with Russia. Bulgaria is the most Russophile country in the EU.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 15 November 2016 11: 27
        +1
        10.57. Putar! Receives grants. They are told: You yourself are weak and wretched and capable of nothing. Stolen? So this is done on purpose. Otherwise, there will be no support for EU policies. People like to live well at home, rather than bombing around Europe. In Soviet times, you had a job at the place of residence. It had its own production. You lived well at home. And now they show you who is the boss in the Eurohouse and where is your place. Your place in the outhouse. You can even be offended, even proud of it. Though in the toilet but in the master's house !!! That’s all pride in modern Bulgaria. But there is still a chance to prove his loyalty by jumping on the outskirts. Although of course there is wine and Russia represented by Gorbachev.
        1. pytar
          pytar 15 November 2016 12: 19
          +6
          All new EU countries receive subsidies. The funds are necessary and useful for Bulgaria! What is the problem for you ??? Theft? Yes, it also existed during socialism! She was the same communist class, repainted and stayed in power, under the guise of "democrats"! As in Russia, ksati ... The Russian media say a lot about how East Europeans are homeless in Europe and how badly in the EU! And somehow they keep silent how many citizens of the Russian Federation are also homeless, in the same Europe! What is the standard of living in Russia, in the Russian outback, why not tell me ??? Even worse than Bulgarian! And this is with the position that Russia is the richest country in the world !!! It should be a shame for you, and not poke our fingers that we are poor! In the days of the USSR, there was one thing, but now it is different and this choice was not ours! For some reason, you keep silent about the main question - who ruined the former and who began to be the first to be friends with the West! You somehow very nezhnenko mentioned about "the fault of Gorbachev's Russia"! Keep quiet about Yeltsin ... So we will not figure it out. One must call things with their real names!
          1. Koresh
            Koresh 15 November 2016 16: 17
            0
            The EU is not evil, as many here on the forum think, Bulgaria a good country can become even better, but minus all that the Bulgarians have little to protect their interests to their own detriment, but take the South Stream that would provide them with new budget revenues or independence from Ukrainian GTS. Ukrainians very often go to Sofia or the Bulgarian resorts to earn money, therefore they have not heard anything bad about Bulgaria, they only praise it. Now Europe is not united enough and not perfect and resembles the very USSR before the collapse, so you still need to protect your interests.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 15 November 2016 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      Bullshit all this Bulgarians confidently holds for the eggs Brussels.

      Brusel himself is shocked in the light of recent events ... if this goes so (and the elections in Germany and France are ahead) then Brusel will not be in Bulgaria! (my personal opinion) hi
    4. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 01: 53
      0
      :)) your Belarus barely hangs on the ropes, and you still have time to discuss on sensitive topics ...
      And if they give the Bulgarians, then probably Belarus will not be in sight for a long time! Where it came from, there it will go hi
      I have the honor
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 15 November 2016 07: 16
    +5
    If Moldova has at least some prospects in the development of relations with Russia (normalization of relations with the PMR, the possibility of joining the Customs Union, etc.), then the Bulgarians do not shine anything like that. The country is a member of NATO and the EU, and quite poor, it’s not going anywhere from the submarine. And somehow I can’t believe in Bulgaria’s exit from these structures, and there’s nothing to do it, they have safely killed their economy.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 15 November 2016 10: 17
      +1
      Yes, there is no longer a customs union. There is the EAEU. laughing
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 15 November 2016 10: 26
      +1
      In Moldova, the president is a purely nominal figure, all power is vested in the parliament, and there are socialists. Therefore, parliamentary elections are on the agenda, and only then it will be possible to talk about any steps to establish relations.
    3. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 11: 19
      +2
      For your information: Although Bulgaria is in an extremely difficult economic situation, in recent years it has shown a small, but still growth. As for the deindustrialization of the country, the facts again slightly differ from the "beliefs" of the Russian media. In 1995, industry in Bulgaria accounted for 21% of the entire economy. By 2016, it is 23,5%! Although this is not some kind of over-the-top result, it puts Bulgaria in the top nine of the EU countries for this indicator. In fact, in Bulgaria there are other, much more dangerous / I would say fatally dangerous / problems than those in the economy. And these fatal problems, laid down even during socialism and under the influence of Big Brother ...
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 15 November 2016 14: 46
        0
        pytar. Loot den! how much is the stream sagging faintly? With Todor -50 stotinki
        1. pytar
          pytar 15 November 2016 15: 07
          +2
          Dobar den! When Todor Zhivkov Imash itself is ONE kind of blather according to 50 Art. ama go nyamash on shop! Sega sa 200 species, with a value of 60 Art. to 3 leva depending on the staff! And shop sega sa plni. Under Zhivkov Imakhma bet, but we’ll buy something with yah! Sega nyama bet, but shop sa polni sod drain! Under Todor Zhivkov there was only ONE kind of milk according to 50 Art. but it was hard to find in stores. Now there is 200 type, with prices from 60 Art. to 3 BGN depending on the composition! And the shops are now full! According to Zhivkovo time, we had money, but there was nothing to buy for them, but now there is no money, but the shops are full!
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 15 November 2016 15: 27
            +1
            ... it's you in vain. Everything was in Sofia. And everything was affordable and without any chemistry at prices and assortment. for example, so as not to be unfounded.-a small store on Oborishte .. at the military academy you could buy all the products and excellent quality. so it was throughout Bulgaria. The truth is. heating was expensive. .. here already. to say nothing ..
            1. pytar
              pytar 15 November 2016 17: 21
              +2
              Rave. Fair! Nonsense and nothing else! I apologize. Not sour milk, but even bread ended for those who did not have time to buy it before. In Sofia, the situation was better than in the provinces, but not by much. Heating??? Are you talking about Sofia again? It had central heating only in 3-4 larger Bulgarian cities!
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 15 November 2016 21: 17
        +2
        Quote: pytar
        And these are the fatal problems laid down during the time of socialism and under the influence of Big Brother ...

        Well, yes, yes, where without Brother ...
        My godfather has friends in Bulgaria. Before Bulgaria joined the EU, they owned a company selling agricultural equipment. About five years later, they switched to trading attachments for this equipment. Now they sell souvenirs ... What Big Brother brought to the poor fellow sad .
        1. pytar
          pytar 15 November 2016 21: 58
          +2
          Someone else's business did not go, but someone else did it. As it happens in Russia. But no matter what shit happens to the economy, we will always feed ourselves. The Bulgarian land is fertile and the sun shines over us strongly! :)))) The biggest, fatal problem in Bulgaria is with demography! In the 50s, the Bulgarian communists, following the example of their Soviet teachers, took the land from the Bulgarian village. He had no food left in the villages and began resettlement in cities. And the first generation born after collectivization was "/ FOUR !!!! / times smaller than the previous one ... Since people are born not in cities, but in villages! And so for all the time of socialism. The cumulative effect of all the madness that happened in" the golden years of the most just society "have led to the current demographic collapse. True, now some will say that the EU is again to blame, but the statistics are cruel.
    4. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 02: 03
      0
      :)) That's fine! Kiss on the lips of Erdogan and do not lean out into the world
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 15 November 2016 07: 27
    +1
    The "brothers" betrayed Russia immediately after gaining statehood in the 19th century, electing a German to the kingdom, as a result of participation in two world wars on the side of Germany !!
    1. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 11: 21
      +2
      The mantra about "betrayal" of the Bulgarians, which some people love to repeat to the point of dullness, is unhealthy ... It destroys neurons and blows up the brain. Take care of your health andrewkor...
    2. 34 region
      34 region 15 November 2016 11: 36
      +3
      07.27. Andrevkor! Well, Russia is also not an angel. I am ashamed of Gorbachev who handed over all. This treachery is so betrayal! Well, there was Kerensky. But Gorbachev in terms of betrayal surpassed everyone. Judah will probably be in second place.
      1. Bath Rumbets
        Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 03: 13
        0
        +1
        from the heart
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2016 07: 27
    +1
    Remember .. Features of national hunting? Throw vodka, vodka! He’s not going to give up vodka ... Nothing with Bulgaria and Moldova ... They won’t leave Europe .. They’ll try to sit on two chairs ... It’s so much more convenient
    1. 34 region
      34 region 15 November 2016 11: 52
      0
      07.27. Sailboat! How many chairs is Russia trying to sit on? Either we have import substitution in connection with the sanctions, then we sell state property to our supporters. Well, if our country is strenuously spreading its legs and opening its mouth, then why talk about the rest? It does not cause a feeling of loathing; it is constant: Take me, take me! Well, at least for how much you take! Russia is a great country! And what is its greatness? In constant begging? That Peter begs Putin today begs. Well, how much can you already? What kind of disgust? 1917-1941, 24 years old. 1945-1957, 12 years old, 2000-2016, 16 years old. You can add the 1991th, 25 years.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 15 November 2016 12: 14
        +2
        Well what kind of nonsense are you talking about fool

        Quote: Region 34
        Now we have import substitution in connection with the sanctions, then the sale of state property to our supporters

        - How does privatization of state property interfere with import substitution? That's right ... no way.
        - why did you decide that state property is good? And, of course ... "born in the USSR" by the flag ... and still remaining there ... this is a diagnosis, dear.
        - what, navoshch, "your dealers" are going to sell "state property"? Have you read the terms of privatization? But no, why do you need it, you are already clear fool

        Quote: Region 34
        It does not cause a feeling of loathing; it is constant: Take me, take me! Well, at least for how much you take!

        - except in your inflamed brain, nowhere else is there. From the word "not at all" request

        Quote: Region 34
        ... then Peter begs Putin today begs ...

        - this is generally beyond comprehension ... who, where, begging? Give an example one ... weak, right?

        Quote: Region 34
        1917-1941, 24 years old. 1945-1957, 12 years old, 2000-2016, 16 years old. You can add 1991, 25 years

        - and what should this stream of consciousness mean, do not explain?

        Okay. Orient further ... malacholny fool
        1. 34 region
          34 region 15 November 2016 12: 37
          0
          12.14. Cat! Well, what kind of nonsense are you talking about! Who is invited to profit from state property? Imported friends. And where did they get that private business is good? Judging by the results of the activity, complete shit. Private business did not solve strategic tasks. But the constant bankruptcy and a request to help the state not to drown private business. Born in the USSR is this an anachronism of course? How many do not live? So what did those born into capitalism achieve? Well, where are your successes? In personal enrichment? The results of former privatizations have already been seen. Good zero. If not a minus. The cat doesn’t just need to ring out about the prayers of the leadership to surrender into good hands. Although Putin, even Medvedev, both directly pray for a pimp who will make them happy. Or we’ll probably watch different performances. In the USSR there were various sponsored ones, such as a school, a collective farm, a sanatorium, and so on. Well, and who are the owners sponsoring today? But there is no money and I am bankrupt! Underdeveloped Soviet economy !? Well, why can't these smart figures even reach the pace of the 30s of the 20th century? After all, the USSR was an underdeveloped country. Well, and why modern developed Russia is not able to provide themselves with civilian aircraft and ships?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 15 November 2016 12: 47
            0
            Quote: Region 34
            Who is invited to profit from state property? Imported friends

            - I want details. And also - on what specific conditions, who and what exactly are invited to "profit".
            - the devil is always in the "details". If, as you say, in general terms, then you are kind of right. If you dig in more detail, then you are wrong. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

            Quote: Region 34
            Born in the USSR is this an anachronism of course? How many do not live?

            - I myself was born and raised there. But I do not make a fetish out of this. The world has changed, in addition to our will, and we must live in the world that is. And nostalgic and moaning ... unconstructive, at least.

            Quote: Region 34
            Although Putin, even Medvedev, both directly pray for a pimp who will make them happy

            - Putin and Medvedev have a completely different policy plan. If you do not see the difference, the conversation loses its meaning.
            - Can you give an example of "prayers" to GDP? It’s very interesting what you consider “prayers” ...

            Quote: Region 34
            why modern developed Russia is not able to provide themselves with civilian aircraft and ships?

            - sweat, blood, sand, shit and girlish tears ...
            - everything is mixed up with you, excuse me
            - the aircraft industry and shipbuilding safely collapsed in the 90s. Break up is easy. Restoring is much harder (and slower). Do you want to say that restoration work is not ongoing? Say - lie, but you need it?

            Here in this, approximately, acceptance (s) laughing
            1. 34 region
              34 region 15 November 2016 13: 11
              +1
              12.47. Cat! Calls to be invested in the Russian economy, you might not think? How any forum is so prayer to investors! And the point of our economic competitors to invest in a competitor? The last example of prayer. There is no money, it is necessary to sell state property in private hands! But if private traders are so effective, why is there no money? Do they pay little tax or often go bankrupt and ask for help? Has the world changed since the days of the USSR? In the days of Lenin and Stalin, was capitalism different? Yes, not at all. Here they throw quotes of Lenin and Stalin, so right about today. The main thing is money! About the economic development of Europe is not necessary. It is already being drained. If Europe is merged, then why support Russia? Are Putin and Medvedev different politicians? Like Putin is smart, but Medvedev is not very? But Putin is happy with Medvedev. Nothing mixed up with me and no tears. Do not judge by yourself. But there is anger. Is it harder to recover? Why did they break it? Now everyone is smart with a higher and foreign education. Well, why are these current smarts not surpassing illiterate commissars without education? Stalin raised the country after ten years of war 1914-1924, then after 1941-1945. What war was in 1991-2000m?
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 15 November 2016 13: 36
                0
                Quote: Region 34
                Calls to be invested in the Russian economy, you might not think? How any forum is so prayer to investors! And the point of our economic competitors to invest in a competitor?

                - actually, "investment" is not a dirty word at all. This is how the whole world lives, and nothing new has been invented yet.
                - you have a ready-made recipe for everything in chocolate and without "investments" - state it clearly. No - don't make a loud noise ...
                - "our economic competitors", as you put it, consist of private companies. Which, you will be surprised, compete with each other. If it is profitable for a single company to invest in the Russian Federation, it will do it, do not hesitate. Without any regard for "ideology".

                Quote: Region 34
                About the economic development of Europe is not necessary. It is already being drained. If Europe is merged, then why support Russia?

                - Well, the mixture in your head, dear ...
                - no one "merges" Europe
                - I have already said about the Russian Federation - it will be profitable - they will invest. "Regardless of".

                Quote: Region 34
                utin and Medvedev different politicians? Like Putin is smart, but Medvedev is not very? But Putin is happy with Medvedev

                - yes, different
                - Medvedev suits Putin ... for now. Ulyukaev also suited ... for the time being.
                - mentally stand in the place of Putin. He has to work with those who are available and do what is possible to do. IMHO he is doing well.

                Quote: Region 34
                Is it harder to recover? Why did they break it?

                - yo, yo-yo ...
                - we remember who "broke"
                - we look, who is now trying to restore ... different people, no?
                - the question does not make sense, no? Why ask then ... I ask you ?!

                [quote = 34 region Stalin raised the country after ten years of war 1914-1924, then after 1941-1945 [/ quote]
                - then it could be done "with the help of a crowbar and some kind of mother"
                - which was done
                - Now, without a breakthrough in technology and other, and other - this is NOT to do. The task is an order of magnitude more complicated than that of Stalin.
                - the task is in the process of solving, I see the dynamics. You don `t see? So it is exclusively your personal grief ...

                Quote: Region 34
                What war was in 1991-2000m?

                - mdya ... but what, you do not understand this?
                - there was a war, there was ... the whole world is against us, the leaders are traitors, and we are each for ourselves, practically.
                - here we are still raking ... the consequences request

                Something like this about yes
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 15 November 2016 13: 45
        0
        34 region... Honestly, your cry from the soul did not understand ... What do you mean ..? .. How many chairs are sitting in Russia .. What is Russia begging and begging for? This phrase "Take me, take me!"... And where are we asking? What did Peter beg for, that Putin begging ...? .. I can say the following about relations with Bulgaria .. Russia will probably sell toothbrushes with white handles there, and they with green ones .. And PMR Moldova will not receive, even with the new president ..
  6. Smog
    Smog 15 November 2016 07: 27
    +3
    True, both in Chisinau and in Sofia, the pan of the ataman has a dumb gold reserve ...
    But this is the key point.
    Or again Russia to feed the "brothers" and the once-allied Moldova, or ...........
    1. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 11: 06
      +5
      For 20 years now, how has Russia not "fed" anyone, has it? Why didn't you get rich? Why do the people of the richest country in the world live like Senegalese in Africa, or even worse! It can be seen either no one was fed earlier, or someone else is feeding it now .... In all cases, the problem is entirely Russian, not Bulgarian or Moldovan.
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 15 November 2016 07: 51
    0
    The doll is always inflated until it bursts
  8. cedar
    cedar 15 November 2016 08: 15
    +1
    Everything in Zion is in debt, as if in silk ... starting from the USA and ending with Moldova. It is a great blessing and a lesson to all of us if our Russia breaks from this debt hook. But there is well-founded hope. The ice has moved ...
  9. then
    then 15 November 2016 08: 45
    0
    This is not a mystery - it is an obituary.
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  13. pytar
    pytar 15 November 2016 10: 44
    +5
    Gene. At least Rumen Radev knows how to speak rationally, and not like the former "president" Plevneliev. He is one of the few pilots of which makes the "Cobra Pugacheva" on the MiG-29. Excellent pilot! Ksati people voted precisely for Radev's personality, and not for the Socialist Party, which is famous for its corruption.
  14. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 15 November 2016 13: 10
    +1
    Bulgaria does not receive money from the EU, and exporting goods from leading EU countries at a discount. This is called financing from the Euro funds.
    At the same time, the contribution as an EU member is 1% of the national product per year. The EU closed 4 VVER 440 reactors, eliminated a large part of metallurgy, mechanical engineering, light industry and so on. So EU membership is mainly an economic loss.
    But the economy is not the most important thing. The main thing is that the army was destroyed, on the border the aggressive regime of Erdogan and none of our today's "allies" from NATO will help us.
    1. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 15: 17
      +2
      Kostadinov, you are completely wrong. Bulgaria just receives live money from eurofunds! The list of custom buildings built or renovated with these facilities is huge! True, half of them are stolen ... As for the goods, you are also wrong, since the entire trading network in Bulgaria is filled with Chinese and Turkish goods. Through the EU, they enter or directly, it is not clear. Not the EU destroyed Bulgarian industry and energy. It was made before the entry of Bulgaria into the EU! And it was done according to the American RanT plan! And EU membership itself has both positive and negative consequences. If we are objective, we acknowledge that the bulk of the negative essence is our fault! No EU, USA or Russia is not our fault! We ourselves ... our partocracy and oligarchy, destroy the country! Erdogan ... is a consequence .... Here with him, we must be careful carefully! We will not be able to avoid a conflict with Turkey! I don’t know what it will be, but it has been going on for 600 years already!
    2. Operator
      Operator 15 November 2016 18: 27
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      If something happens, get vacuum bombs from Crimea and close the question with internal and external enemies (the MiG-29 with new engines is already on your way) bully

      Bulgaria is not Yugoslavia, transit from Russia is free.
  15. iouris
    iouris 15 November 2016 13: 23
    +1
    It looks like the picture is as follows: Eastern Europe has been occupied since the beginning of the 1990s, the necessary resources have been siphoned out of it, the economy of competitors has degraded to a given level. Now you can return this "illiquid" to the geopolitical enemy: let him restore and heal his ulcers. In fifty years the operation can be repeated.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 15 November 2016 13: 47
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    Quote: Region 34
    Are Putin and Medvedev different politicians? Like Putin is smart, but Medvedev is not very? But Putin is happy with Medvedev.
    ... good
  17. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 15 November 2016 14: 37
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    "Flight or flight ?."
    .. in Bulgarian - "span" = SPRING !! Will spring come? Is it problematic? Bulgaria NATO member and Radev previously stated that he is a supporter of NATO and the EU. but also for relations with Russia .. The Bulgarians themselves have lost the South Stream gas pipeline. And this is an annual profit making nothing of 2 .7 billion American bills ... NPP in Belene. the same picture ... hung on huge debts before the atom grew
    1. pytar
      pytar 15 November 2016 17: 38
      +3
      Spring in Bulgarian, is a good relationship with all neighbors and with world centers of power. NATO / whether we like it or not / is the only guarantee for the Bulgarian territorial integrity, and the EU does not have an alternative in the foreseeable future. Bulgaria is geostrategic at the crossroads. There are no other options. And Radev quite adequately. And if you want to find out the current situation with the UP and Belene NPPs, just ... forget about the Russian media .... There are questions on the kids, they made up wild nonsense. And in general, I suppose that in the future the Bulgarian side will be much more cautious in projects with Russian companies and will firmly defend BULGARIAN NATIONAL INTERESTS!
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 15 November 2016 17: 54
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        And who is threatening Bulgarian territorial integrity? The threat of Bulgaria is internal. There are no external threats even from Turkey ... remember the outcome of the Bulgarian Turks = 330 thousand. waved the handle .and that. Puffed up two sides and fell silent ..
        Serbia .so there is the same there, even though in the second world war two Bulgarian corps there greatly inherited
        Regarding the southern stream. The figure from the report of your own pundits is a thick papier.
        1. pytar
          pytar 15 November 2016 18: 17
          +3
          I understand that you are really not familiar with the Bulgarian realities. The threat for Bulgarian territorial integrity exists since the Liberation in 1878. Until 1945, it comes from almost all neighbors. During this time we are losing significant territories with the Bulgarian population. Over the next half century, ATS had a guarantee for Bulgaria. After the collapse of the police department, for some time Bulgaria tried to cope on its own. But for a number of reasons, it turned out to be impossible. Despite the outcome, a significant part of the Turkish population remained at least a million in Bulgaria. Now they together with gypsies make up almost a third of the total population. They are influenced by Turkey and they have their own ethnic party, which is almost always in a coalition in power. After the US bombed Yugoslavia, they hinted to the Bulgarians that if something like this happens to Bulgaria, no one will help us. The Kosovo variant is quite real for Bulgaria today. NATO gives guarantees of territorial integrity, but if Bulgaria makes any sharp movements, then Turkey and the USA will provoke Bulgarian Turks and ethnic bloodshed will begin, before which Kossovo will be like a kindergarten. Turkey will take advantage of the situation and immediately occupy significant Bulgarian territories. Erdogan himself has repeatedly talked about Turkey’s claims to the Bulgarian territory, and such atlases are taught in Turkish schools. For a long time, the Bulgarians haven’t been counting on Russia, seeing how in the past Russia has many times made our worst enemies on the side. You can talk about Bulgarian-Serbian conflicts indefinitely, but it’s hardly worthwhile to tackle the issue here. Now there is not one important unresolved issue between Bulgaria and Serbia. Bulgarians and Serbs are quite friendly to each other, and the governments of both countries adhere to such a line. We really hope that this will be the case in the future, as Bulgarians and Serbs are ethnically the closest Slavic peoples. This is the real situation.
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 15 November 2016 18: 32
            +1
            You yourself are not funny from the written! ????
            1. Stanislas
              Stanislas 15 November 2016 19: 00
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              Quote: To be or not to be
              You yourself are not funny from the written
              Doesn't sound like a banter. Better ask if he is ashamed. Although, after "seeing how in the past Russia has many times found our worst enemies on the side," one cannot really count on conscience either.
              1. Smog
                Smog 15 November 2016 21: 46
                +3
                No, I don't understand one thing. Two countries, two NATO members, and suddenly intra-bloc showdowns. Yes, indeed, a very "peace-loving" bloc. And the fuck was there to join, if ... well, not even words. The further, the more curious and curious.
              2. Bath Rumbets
                Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 00: 10
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                Stanislav, the guy may have gone too slightly, but it seems to me that you also studied history from the 1921 Partizdat book. :))
          2. Hapfri
            Hapfri 15 November 2016 23: 24
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            . Now they together with gypsies make up almost a third

            This is a serious problem.
            For a long time, the Bulgarians haven’t been counting on Russia, seeing how in the past Russia has many times made our worst enemies on the side.

            Are you confusing anything? For some reason, this Bulgaria ended up in the enemy camp in two world wars. With the Germans in the same company.
            1. pytar
              pytar 16 November 2016 00: 15
              +2
              I think everything here agrees that the worst enemies of the Slavs are the Anglo-Saxons! So ... Bulgaria in both the WWII and WWII is fighting against them, and Russia in an alliance with them and against its interests! This is better with the Germans in one company than with the Anglo-Saxons!
            2. Bath Rumbets
              Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 00: 01
              0
              phahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahaaaaaa
              Learn the story, dear
  18. Operator
    Operator 15 November 2016 18: 19
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    Our interest in Bulgaria is modest - the completion of the construction of South Stream: we have a sales channel, Bulgarians get a penny for transit, Europe is guaranteed gas supply, residents of the outskirts are a fig with butter.
    1. pytar
      pytar 16 November 2016 00: 24
      +2
      Both sides are currently working on UP-2. Details were not disclosed, but design training is underway on the bottom of the Black Sea from the Crimea to the Bulgarian Dobrudja. The track is two times shorter than the UP -1 and accordingly much cheaper. At the same time, the problem of gasification of the Crimea is being solved. At the same time as the construction of the Kerch bridge, they put pipes that are 4 times more powerful than the needs of the Crimea ... Pipes from UP-1 are in a warehouse in Varna and will be used for the dry-earth part of the route in the territory of Bulgaria, as was previously envisaged . Everyone can see them! Nobody hides them. I suppose that the project will be publicly announced through 2 of the year, so my information is for you exclusive! bully
      1. Bath Rumbets
        Bath Rumbets 16 November 2016 23: 59
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        Bulshit. UP dying. Leka mu prst
        1. pytar
          pytar 17 November 2016 15: 42
          +2
          UP dying, but livelier UP2 :)))))) ay on bass youth!
    2. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 16 November 2016 23: 55
      0
      Probably because of this, you stagger from one century to the other either this way or that ...
      England is your friend, then the States. That Hitler, then Damn Afimerny :)
      The states give their friends at least for their highs and profits, and you have friends (in your understanding) only the Fleet and the Army. Although it is very doubtful
  19. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 16 November 2016 23: 47
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    Probably already a thousand times chewed and chewed about the Bulgarian and Russian brothers, but still somewhere there is a bona fide control of this theme once again squeezed to the surface :))
    The same Soros spells about betrayal (as much as two times !!!) of the Bulgarians, the same half-orientation of the little brothers to their brothers, Turks or Chinese .... Eeeh :) ... We’ll go away so guys
    1. pytar
      pytar 17 November 2016 15: 48
      +2
      So amazing? All anti-Bulgarian / she and anti-Russian / troll food for one and the same memo has been working for 15 years! "Traitors, they have always fought against us, they desecrate monuments, the USSR fed them, ungratefuls and in the same spirit. After all, the Russians should start to perceive the Bulgarians as enemies first-signal, in order to evoke the same response from the Bulgarians!
  20. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 00: 24
    0
    I would like to hear the opinion of dear Sophorumites, and especially those whom the brothers betrayed;) ... The question is:
    Which way do you look when talking about Cuba?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 17 November 2016 00: 34
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      Quote: Bat Rumbets
      Which way do you look when talking about Cuba?

      - Well, I'll answer, for example - look at the ceiling
      - what the question means, explain more clearly ...
      1. Bath Rumbets
        Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 00: 43
        0
        Pushing
        They look either in the eyes or on the sides. When a conscience is clear - they look directly into the eyes. When otherwise - look different ...
        If you figure it out for yourself, when you think about Cuba, you look at the outsiders, you will probably guess why you should not call the * brother-Bulgarians * traitors.
        I have the honor
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 17 November 2016 00: 54
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          Quote: Bat Rumbets
          If you deal with yourself why, thinking about Cuba, you look around ...

          - But why did you get this?
          - I certainly certainly didn’t betray anyone there ... um ...

          Quote: Bat Rumbets
          ... probably you’ll guess why you shouldn’t call the * brother-Bulgarians * traitors

          - and * brother-Bulgarians * do not call names ... since I haven’t seen a single Bulgarin for thirty years.

          Chet, your thought runs away, I just can’t catch it ... and I don’t need it, in general ...

          "I have no honor, but I bow down" (c) yes
          1. Bath Rumbets
            Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 01: 07
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            :)) Well, okay. I did not understand WHY you intervened in the conversation, since you did not betray, did not know, did not hear, and did not even call names ??? :)) The question is not opened to you. Relax;)
  21. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 01: 33
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    Brothers, do you remember when a few years after the Liberation (THANKS FOR YOU FOR ALL AGES !!!), together with their Romanian brothers we traveled to Bulgaria and how many Bulgarians died because of your ambitions ??? :))
    Can you tell me how many Russians were killed in World War II, in which the Bulgarians were on the side of Hitler ??? M ??? :)))))))))
  22. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 02: 00
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    Rurikovich, your brainless misfortune surrendered without a fight EVERYONE who wanted it :))
    The Bulgarians had a different way;)
  23. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 17 November 2016 02: 59
    0
    * Rurikovich * :)))))) kapets
    Awesome reason for pride phahahhahaha
  24. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 19 November 2016 21: 07
    0
    Bulgarian General, Man, Man and President:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbwBvdExGVo