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The first step towards universal peace and disarmament is Russia's merit

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Recently, several articles by respected Alexander Samsonov about Russia at the beginning of the 20 century have appeared on “VO”. But have we learned anything really new, informative, besides the much-previously-told, old? It seems that not so much. But there is something to tell about.


May 1899 of the Year, The Hague. Plenipotentiary representatives of almost all countries of the world, such as Russia, Germany, the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, Italy, France, Spain, Great Britain, the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Bulgaria, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece, Portugal, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Japan, China, Siam, Persia, USA, Mexico, gathered at the International Peace Conference, were looking forward to May 18 -Birthday of the Emperor of Russia Nicholas II. That was the day that the opening was scheduled. first in stories mankind meeting (a kind of prototype of the UN Assembly) in order to first international laws on the peaceful coexistence of states and arms limitation. In recognition of the merits of its main initiator and organizer of the Emperor of Russia, this date was appointed.


Commemorative medal of the Hague Conference with the image of the Russian Emperor-initiator of the Conferences and the Queen of the Netherlands, the host of the Conference. The inscription at the top in Latin "WORLD".

The opening of the Conference was not only awaited by delegates, it was with great attention waited by all mankind: for such decisions concerned everyone and were made for the first time.

Today it will seem strange to us, but until the twentieth century, international law was primarily a law of war, and in accordance with the so-called right to war, any state - a party to the conflict - could refuse to peacefully resolve it and resolve the dispute by armed means.

At the same time, international law did not make any distinction between the aggressor state and the victim state of aggression. The actions of both sides - both the attacker and the defender - were considered equally legitimate. The legal consequences of the war were determined by its actual outcome.

At the same time, there was a wild arms race in Europe, more and more deadly species were developing. weapons, capable of destroying at once many tens of thousands of people, or of causing incredible suffering, were endless conflicts between states over colonies and spheres of influence.

The first step towards universal peace and disarmament is Russia's merit

Balloon with attached bomb

And in such conditions, Russia, represented by its Emperor, came up with an unusual and incredible initiative: to convene an International Peace Conference, to introduce the laws of morality in international relations. The Russian Empire was the only state that opposed itself not to any particular country or political figure, but to a common military threat.

12 August 1898, Russian Foreign Minister Count Mikhail Muravyov addressed the world with a diplomatic note, which is very relevant now:

"The preservation of universal peace and the possible reduction of excessive armaments over all nations are a goal towards which the efforts of all governments should strive. The growing burden of financial burden is undermining public welfare. ... If such a situation continued, it would fatally lead to disaster, before the horrors of which the thought of a man shudders in advance. Filled with this feeling Sovereign Emperor ordered me to deign to appeal to the governments of statesrepresentatives of which are accredited at the High Court, with a proposal to convening a conference in the discussion of this important task. With God's help, this conference could be a good omen for the coming century "

The leadership of almost all countries, in particular, Germany and France reacted with skepticism to this proposal. But unexpectedly for politicians among the public of the world, the initiatives of Russia aroused great interest and she warmly supported them. Under her pressure, the governments of the countries agreed to the Conference.


Session of the Hague Peace Conference


Despite the proposals to hold a conference in St. Petersburg, Russia insisted on organizing a meeting in The Hague (as more equidistant from all territories), also conducted all organizational work, a group of Russian experts and diplomats developed draft decisions under the guidance of the remarkable Russian lawyer Professor F.F. Martens

FF Martens believed that the peace initiative of Russia pursued two goals. The first was to prevent a war by peaceful discussion of international disputes and the conditions for limiting armaments. Another goal was to clarify the conditions under which the war that arose could be put in the most narrow limits in terms of humanity and the common good of the peoples.


Russian lawyer, scientist, lawyer F. F Martens

In recognition of the achievements of Russia, the Russian diplomat Baron Staal chaired the Conference, he also proposed the draft Conventions approved by the Emperor for consideration.

The conference worked for two months and adopted the following conventions:
- the peaceful resolution of international clashes;
- laws and customs of land warfare;
-applied to the naval war began the Geneva Convention 10 August 1864 year.

As well as the 3 declaration:
- On the prohibition of throwing projectiles and explosives from balloons or using other similar new methods for a five-year period;
- On the use of projectiles with the sole purpose of distributing asphyxiating or harmful gases;
- On the use of bullets, easily unfolding or flattening in the human body.

3,20 ton vase of Russia from Jasper with the coat of arms of Russia - a gift to the Peace Palace in The Hague, 1913.

Thus, for the first time, chemical weapons and explosive bullets were qualified as war crimes. It must be said that the Convention on the Prohibition of Weapons of Mass Destruction of this scale was subsequently adopted only two times: the ban on biological weapons.

For the further development of the issues discussed at the 1899 Conference of the Year, Russia proposed to hold a second Conference, which was held in 1907 and chaired by Russian diplomat Nelidov again.

In a secret instruction to the head of the Russian delegation, A.I. Nelidovu Foreign Minister A.P. Izvolsky wrote:
“The convocation of the Second World Conference at the highest will of the Emperor was inspired by the conviction that the Russian government, which had a common initiative in promoting the ideas of international peace, should not let go of its future direction. of Russia it is necessary to act here in matters of world interest in a leading and responsible role".

Already 44 states took part in the Second Peace Conference: all participants of the First Conference, as well as 17 states of South and Central America.

The adopted conventions, known in modern international law as the Hague Conventions 1899 and 1907, covered a wide range of issues. it peaceful resolution of international disputes; restrictions on the use of force in the collection of contractual debt obligations; the procedure for the opening of hostilities; laws and customs of land warfare; laws and customs of the sea war; the prohibition of the use of poisons, weapons, projectiles and substances that may cause unnecessary suffering; neutrality rules in land and sea war.


Portrait of Nicholas II at the Peace Palace in The Hague, by Sophie Hirschmann

Hague conventions are international legal acts in force todayrecognized by most countries of the world, incl. USSR and Russian Federation.

In addition, an international arbitration court was established in The Hague, which was ahead of its time by more than half a century. At the suggestion of Nicholas II, the Peace Palace was built in the Hague for this court. The international court in The Hague still exists today.

It was in the International Court of Justice that the famous Gullsky incident of 1904 was considered, when relations between Russia and England rose to the brink of war. It was to the International Court of Justice that the Russian Emperor proposed to postpone the resolution of the dispute between Serbia and Austria-Hungary, trying to stop the world war to the end. But Germany and the Austrians did not respond to this.

After 1907, Russia proposed to hold the Third Peace Conference, thereby proposing to actually organize the cooperation of states in ensuring peace on an ongoing basis, but the West was already rushing to war.

In conclusion, I will give excerpts from two documents:

1) ARTICLE 1 UN CHARTER

The United Nations aims:
Maintain international peace and safety and conduct by peaceful meansin accordance with the principles justice и international law, settlement or resolution of international disputes or situations that may lead to a breach of the peace;

Parties involved in any dispute, the continuation of which could threaten the maintenance of international peace and security, should, first of all, try to resolve the dispute by negotiation, surveys, mediation, conciliation, arbitration, trial, appeals to regional bodies or agreements or by other peaceful means of their choice [/ i].

2) CONVENTION ON PEACEFUL SOLUTION OF INTERNATIONAL COLLISIONS (The Hague, October 18 1907).

Germany, Russia, USA, France, Japan, etc., (total 44 states); putting the foster all possible peaceful solution international clashes; wanting to reinforce the feeling international justice;; joining the thoughts of the August Monarch, on the initiative of which the International Peace Conference convened, that needs to be fixed by international agreement beginnings of law and justiceon which is based safety states and the prosperity of nations; The High Contracting Parties have agreed as follows:

SECTION I. ON THE PRESERVATION OF THE UNIVERSAL WORLD

Article 1
With the aim of prevent recourse to force between States, the Contracting Powers agree to make every effort to provide a peaceful solution to international disagreement.

Article 2
The Contracting Powers agree, in the event of an important disagreement or collision, to resort to to good offices or mediation one or more friendly powers.

The International Court of Arbitration has been the subject of dispute resolution between states. An appeal to an arbitration court entails the obligation to conscientiously submit to an arbitration decision.
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Thus, it is clear that the decisions of the International Conferences of the World 1899 and 1907, initiated by Russia, in many ways became the basis of the main documents of the League of Nations and the UN, the authority of Russia and its leadership in the eyes of the world community has increased significantly.

In Soviet times, Russia's achievements in the defense of peace and disarmament, unfortunately, were ignored, however, in practice The Soviet Union since 30-s continued the same policy for the protection of peace and arms limitation, which was carried out by the Russian Empire.

Of course, the Convention could not stop the war, but they became norms of international law, which exert a stabilizing influence on the whole system of international relations. But if the Western countries in the distant 1899 year had listened to the Russian Emperor, the world probably would never have recognized suffocating gases, explosive bullets, cluster bombs, nuclear weapons. The world would never know Verdun, Stalingrad, Dresden, Hiroshima, Belgrade, Baghdad.

The first step was to be taken and it was Russia and its Emperor who made it.


Peace Palace in The Hague

According to historians and researchers, the role of Russia in the convening of the Hague Conferences of the World is exceptional and leading. Such great initiatives of our country in the recent past are the reason for legitimate pride of all Russians for their great Motherland RUSSIA.

To be continued ....


Materials used in the sketch:
http://www.idd.mid.ru/inf/inf_40.html
http://www.un.org/ru/sections/un-charter/chapter-vi/index.html
http://ptiburdukov.ru
http://www.pravoslavie.ru/37473.html
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 16 November 2016 06: 05
    +6
    Interesting article.
    As I understand it, to WWI only the Russian Empire complied with the terms of the agreements.
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 November 2016 06: 36
      +11
      Indeed, Russia can be called a country that played a key role in the development of international humanitarian law, which originated in Geneva in 1864, including thanks to the initiatives of Nikolai Alexandrovich! It is a fact! Nevertheless, a series of miscalculations in the diplomatic arena led the country to a war with Japan, and then Russia was drawn into the bloody bathhouse of the First World War behind the curtains of the unleashing of which were the Anglo-Saxons, who received the gesheft most of all after it ... It is clear that the father’s diplomatic legacy, in the form of an unnatural alliance with republican France, contrary to the more natural alliance of two monarchies: Germany and Russia, the heavy weight is fun on Nikolai’s feet, however, it was his short-sighted policy, both internal and external, that led to the collapse of the Russian Empire and a series of wars, who accelerated the agony of the monarchical system!
      1. Aleksander
        16 November 2016 09: 03
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Indeed, Russia can be called a country that played a key role in the development of International Humanitarian Law, which originated in Geneva in the 1864 year, including thanks to the initiatives of Nikolai Alexandrovich! It is a fact!


        Russia and its Emperor Nicholas II in 1899 1907 played a key role in establishing the first in the history of mankind of international laws on the peaceful coexistence of states and the prohibition of WMD and the first offered them to the world.

        FIRST:
        for the whole story ALL states gathered and adopted the rules of mutual conduct.
        - The war was condemned as a way to resolve disputes without carrying out the approved settlement procedures,
        - The International Court of Arbitration was established, the Peace Palace in The Hague was built,
        -the procedure for the opening of hostilities was approved;
        -the laws and customs of the land war were approved;
        - Poisons, weapons, shells and substances capable of causing unnecessary suffering are prohibited;
        -the rules of neutrality of countries have been approved.

        According to these laws, the world lives and today-they are in UN documents and conventions ..

        The 1864 Geneva Convention merely stipulated the rights of the wounded, doctors and equipment and that's all, nothing more. By the way, it was revised and included in the Convention of the 1899 Conference.

        Quote: Finches
        then Russia was drawn into the bloody bathhouse of the First World War, behind the scenes of the unleashing of which were the Anglo-Saxons, who most of all received a cashbox after it


        One can, nevertheless, read the Schlieffen Plan, the plan according to which Germany fought in the WWII defeat of France in three weeks and then, with a whole mass, fall upon a lonely Russia.

        Or "A short course of the VKPb", where the goals of Germany are clearly indicated: the capture of Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states.
        It was necessary to give, right?
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 November 2016 09: 22
          +10
          Alexander! I’m talking about Thomas, you’s talking about Yerema ... I, however, emphasized the significant role of Nikolai in the development of the International Humanitarian Plan, and Schlieffen, together with the Short Course of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, has nothing to do with it! However, perhaps you decided to advocate in defense of the Anglo-Saxons, whom I mentioned, then this is in vain - if you look at the results of the First World War, you can easily be convinced of my correctness that it was Great Britain and the United States that remained in a big gain, unlike all the other participants ... By the way, you should not defend them so zealously, because the brother of your adored "king", that is, the tsar, George V refused Kerensky to grant asylum to Nikolai and his entire family ... Even the Provisional Government did not wanted to feed, and even more so the Bolsheviks did not need it! Nicholas ruled so hard during his reign that he turned out to be of no use to ANYONE, neither his relatives, nor the monarchists, nor the military, such as the Admiral, nor the cadets, nor the onani ..., the Februaryists .... Nobody at all!
          1. Aleksander
            16 November 2016 10: 23
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            Alexander! I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yerema ... I also emphasized the significant role of Nicholas in the development of the International Humanitarian Plan


            Eugene! And I, too, about Thomas: comparing the 1864 Conference with the 1899 Conference is the same as comparing the school meeting with the UN Assembly. International Peace Conferences it wasn’t a development of something earlier; it was The BEGINNING of a fundamentally newthat did not exist before and what defines international life today.
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 39
              +3
              Aleksander both carries and carries about Yerema! lol
            2. Finches
              Finches 16 November 2016 11: 45
              0
              I did not compare, but wrote the date and the event from which it is considered to be the origin of such a branch of the International Public Law as International Humanitarian Law! After Geneva, there was still an initiated conference in St. Petersburg, then the Brussels Conference ... The Hague matured gradually, but I agree that there was a breakthrough in the adoption of a convention determining the methods of warfare! hi
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 12: 02
              +6
              Quote: Aleksander
              compare the 1864 conference with the 1899 conference 1907 is the same

              Alexander, it’s impossible and practically useless to argue and prove that the two types of communist and atheist people are the same in themselves. I stopped arguing with them. I submit proofs on articles and documents. Any argument you make will be perverted by them and questioned, without any argument.
              Anyone other than their opinions are automatically entered by them into the registry of feiks. They can be trolled, or they can be pitied, because their appearance and ideas are an endangered legacy of 70 summer paranoia.
              Remembering your post yesterday hi
              1. Finches
                Finches 16 November 2016 12: 22
                +1
                Alexander, what category do you attribute me to - communists or atheists? And why is it useless to argue with mine? In this case, I don’t even argue with Aleksander, but I’ll clarify more! hi
              2. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 03
                +3
                Alexander Romanov except verbal on ... from you did not meet anything! lol
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 14: 36
                  +7
                  Well, maybe you only understand it ... the hostess gave a worm for eggs, at least? bully
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 16: 51
                  +6
                  Quote: Uncle Murzik
                  except verbal on ... from you I have not met anything!

                  Sorry, but for the Bolsheviks in my assortment, acre feces there is nothing.
                  1. Uncle Murzik
                    Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 08: 19
                    +1
                    Alexander Romanov, what do you have that the Simpsonian has nothing at all for the whole discussion of more than one link! wassat
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 14
                      +3
                      What for? someone referred to your red-bellied left resources, too, someone went ...
                      When will you normally respond to a large comment with many "statements" of your leader about the Russian people?
                      1. murriou
                        murriou 18 November 2016 06: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        When will you normally respond to a large comment with many "statements" of your leader about the Russian people?

                        Simpson need * alternative giftedness * your scale, so as not to notice that the answers to this nonsense have already been repeatedly.

                        And they all boil down to the fact that these so-called. "quotes" have nothing to do with what is claimed to be their original source.

                        "The peculiarity of quotes on the Internet is such that stupid individuals never check them" (C) V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin laughing

                        Although, you, Simpson, are such a Simpson, that = a normal = answer to your nonsense, you consider only your full consent lol
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 35
                        +2
                        Well, it is, another one crawled in ... in a coat and wrote that "this is absolutely true" and your Ilyich is "nothing like that"!
                        All this is in his works, as well as of course about how he "created a revolutionary situation" in wartime ...
            4. Dart2027
              Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 29
              +1
              Quote: Aleksander
              comparing the 1864 conference with the Conference of 1899 1907 is the same as comparing a school meeting with the UN Assembly

              First, "the path of a thousand li begins with one step." It was Nicholas II who was the first who even tried to do something in this direction.
              Secondly, when the Washington Conference on the issue of naval armaments met in 1921, President Harding, in his opening speech, recalled to whom this idea belonged:
              The proposal to limit arms by agreement between the powers is not new. In this case, it may be appropriate to recall the noble aspirations expressed 23 years ago in the imperial rescript of His Majesty the All-Russian Emperor

              Draw conclusions.
              1. Aleksander
                16 November 2016 21: 42
                +2
                Quote: Dart2027
                Draw conclusions


                What? belay
                Did you read the article? It says that Russia in the person of the Emperor was the FIRST
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 16 November 2016 21: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Did you read the article? It says that Russia in the person of the Emperor was the FIRST

                  Have you read my comment? I say that no matter what, but she was the first.
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 16 November 2016 22: 59
          +5
          Auto RU

          Good article. And the size of the article corresponds to the possibility of discussion.

          I will add a conclusion.

          The USSR hid the successes of Tsarist Russia for ideological reasons.
          The fact is that in Russia capitalism developed under the supervision of the monarchy. Which means within the framework of laws. Theorists of social devices, Marx and Lenin, considered wild forms of capitalism, in particular imperialism. In order not to bother with explanations, the successes of the monarchy in the field of social justice were hushed up.

          At the same time, it is in no way possible to reduce the merits of Lenin and Stalin. Since the revival of Russia, after the First World War, they produced and increased the power of the country.
          1. Aleksander
            17 November 2016 06: 34
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            Good article. And the size of the article corresponds to the possibility of discussion.

            Thank. The goal was to remind that Russia was the FIRST, who gathered ALL humanity to agree on peace.
        3. murriou
          murriou 18 November 2016 02: 58
          0
          You attach too much importance to words and declarations that in real history were not respected by anyone.

          Including Russia itself, they were not violated not from reluctance, but from inability: experiments with chem. We had weapons and preparations for their use in the WWII. But unsuccessfully.
          And here you are trying to give impotence for chastity laughing

          By the way, is there nothing so that crust-boulders have always difficult problems with logic and with memory for their own words?
          You are constantly proud here that Russia was among the first (although not by far the very first) to use aerial bombing - and you are proud of Russia's participation in organizing a convention that condemns the military use of aviation lol laughing
          1. Aleksander
            18 November 2016 09: 08
            +1
            Quote: murriou
            By the way, is there nothing so that crust-boulders have always difficult problems with logic and with memory for their own words?


            1 Of course, nothing: just weak commies severe head problemsunable to even grasp the obvious facts: Nikolai, Stalin, and Brezhnev did the same thing -On the one hand, they developed a system of international security and law, and on the other hand, they supported defense capability in every way.
            Before them, the Holy Union did this to some extent.
            Conventions are in force TODAY.

            For comms-specifically cited the UN Article and the Article of the Conventions-let them be pleased hi
            Quote: murriou
            here, you are constantly proud that Russia was among the first (although really far from the very first) to use aerial bombing - and you are proud of Russia's participation in organizing a convention that condemns the military use of aviation


            The comms have problems with knowledge: the 1907 Declaration (and not the Convention) on the prohibition of throwing shells and explosives from aircraft did not come into effect, due to the refusal to ratify it by a number of states (primarily Germany). .
            Quote: murriou
            You are constantly proud that Russia was among the first (although not by far the very first) to use aerial bombing

            They also have hallucinations: they remember what was not there. fool
            Yeah, all that remains is to express compassion to them. request
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 16 November 2016 12: 39
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        Nevertheless, a series of miscalculations in the diplomatic arena led the country to war with Japan, and then Russia was drawn into the bloody bathhouse of the First World War behind the curtains of the unleashing of which stood the Anglo-Saxons, who most of all received a cashbox after it ...

        Miscalculations have nothing to do with it, this is the result of direct actions of our sworn "friends" - shaved ones.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 November 2016 12: 52
          +1
          That is yes! But I would still talk about a combination of influence factors: internal and external!
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 22
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        contrary to a more natural union of two monarchies: Germany and Russia

        Hard to tell. Germany was an ally of Austria, which was led by a pathological Russian hater. For an alliance with Russia, the Kaiser would have to actually switch to the status of an enemy of AB. Of course, she was no longer at the zenith of fame, but she remained one of the great powers, and more importantly, was a German state. And William himself was too presumptuous and did not think that other countries could unite against Germany.
        1. Aleksander
          16 November 2016 19: 35
          +2
          Quote: Dart2027
          Germany's ally was Austria, which was headed by a pathological Russian-hater. For an alliance with Russia, the Kaiser would have to actually switch to the status of enemy AB. Of course, she was no longer at the zenith of fame, but remained one of the great powers, and more importantly, was the German state

          It may be recalled that back in 1909, the situation was the same as in 1914: there was an ultimatum from Austria to Serbia, and the mobilization of huge armies in Austria and Serbia, and the declared readiness (already!) Of Germany to fight against Russia and France.

          Russia then HAS SAVED Europe from World War .....
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 November 2016 21: 29
            +1
            Quote: Aleksander
            Russia then HAS SAVED Europe from World War .....

            Saved. But sooner or later, the war would have started anyway.
            1. Aleksander
              16 November 2016 21: 45
              +1
              Quote: Dart2027
              Saved. But sooner or later the war would still start.


              Sooner or later, we are all ......
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 16 November 2016 23: 04
              +1
              Dart2027

              After all, this was the beginning of a systematic adjustment of international relations. Misunderstanding, excesses, celebration of personal interests, completion of early militaristic plans. All this worked against the new laws.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 16 November 2016 23: 33
                +1
                And now, in principle, the same thing.
          2. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 03: 00
            0
            Europe from the world war until 1914 was saved by the unpreparedness for war of the countries of Europe, and nothing more.
            And Russia, after the shame in the REJ, has lost the respect of the really great powers.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 22
              +1
              Interestingly, and Germany after Qingdao in 1915 which did not immediately surrender?
    2. Sagittarius2
      Sagittarius2 16 November 2016 08: 51
      +4
      According to historians and researchers, the role of Russia in convening the Hague world conferences is exceptional and leading. Such remarkable initiatives of our country in the recent past are an occasion for the legitimate pride of all Russians for their great Motherland RUSSIA.

      how silly it is to raise this issue and it’s not clear why it’s proud when this court is now dealing only with what harm Russia
      -the case of yukos, against Russia
      case of Litvinenko, against Russia
      -claims against Donbas and Crimea from Ukraine
      -the case of Maidan (armed coup), denial of consideration
      -the case of humanity in the Donbas, denial of consideration
      case in South Ossetia examined cases of crimes of the Russian army
      http://maxpark.com/community/5652/content/5497097

      these are only recent court decisions. Why did Alexander need to remember the history of this court? Nikolai2-Georg5 could not fundamentally create anything for the good of Russia and his people, not that education, not those goals of the task.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 09: 16
        +4
        Sagittarius2 is Aleksander’s attempts to find at least something positive in the board of Nikolashka! wassat
        1. Aleksander
          16 November 2016 10: 39
          +4
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          Aleksander’s attempts to find at least something positive in Nikolashka’s board


          Article that Founder of modern international law in matters of peaceful coexistence, the customs of war and the prohibition of weapons of mass destruction.

          For normal Russian people, this is a reason for pride in their country, for Russophobia, an occasion to make fun of
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 17
            +4
            for me there would be a reason to be proud if they had won the Russian-Japanese war, and in the first world Russian flag would have soared over Berlin!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 12: 10
              +4
              Quote: Uncle Murzik
              for me there would be a reason to be proud if they had won the Russian-Japanese war, and in the first world Russian flag would have soared over Berlin!

              Pride? Millions of the dead stand behind your pride, but your pride prevents you from seeing them.
              1. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 12: 59
                +2
                so, first of all, Nikolashka is to blame for the sacrifices, I repeat once again, the bourgeoisie, in alliance with part of the generals, was preparing a palace coup to replace Nicholas II on the throne with his brother Mikhail. This conspiracy was assured of the assistance of the Entente. At the end of 1916 and in January 1917, the British ambassador Buchanan persistently tried to persuade the tsar to yield to the demands of the "progressive bloc," which constituted the majority of the State Duma, that is, to capitulate to the bourgeoisie. Entente diplomacy hoped to create a government more capable of "organizing victory" and preventing the possibility of a separate peace. In addition, she hoped that a coup from above would help prevent the growing popular revolution in Russia. These hopes were not destined to come true. On March 12 (February 27), 1917, a bourgeois-democratic revolution took place in Russia. Tsarism fell.
                In the fall of 1917, an agreement was reached between England, the USA and France on the delimitation of their activities in the matter of "helping" Russia. The United States took over the reorganization of Russian railways, England - maritime transport, France - the army. Soon, the agreement was modified: assistance to the Murmansk road diverted to England, and the western and southwestern roads to France. This conspiracy of the Entente imperialists implied not only widespread interference in the internal affairs of Russia, but also the beginning of its division into spheres of influence. Russia was in danger that dependence on the Entente would lead it to a state of an almost colonial country.
                The Russian people did not allow such a fate to befall their homeland. "
              2. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 01
                +3
                Alexander Romanov and once again It is a pity that this mediocrity was at the head of the state. We’ve been dissecting the problems of one idiot for a hundred years.
                The thesis of the goodness of a weak king with a strong team breaks off cruel reality. Just the history of Russia suggests that either the team was weak, or that they worked poorly. Since the result of the reign of Nicholas2-the destruction of the country.
                I really do not really understand these snot around the personality of the king. The king is valued not for how he dressed his son in a sailor's hat or how he sawed firewood, but for how he ruled the country. That's exactly the man who ruled the country is disgusting
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 38
                  +2
                  strange, but it seems that the country lived well with him ...

                  all sorts of different hats, caps and helmets and now wear, you dig in under the stability? bully
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 14: 37
              +2
              and how proud are you of taking Paris in 1814?

              or were the hussars there dousing you with just beer while they bathed horses in champagne?
              1. murriou
                murriou 18 November 2016 03: 04
                +1
                In 1812-1814, Russia really had something to be proud of, who argues.

                But, if someone does not know how to count, 1814 years passed from 1914 to 100, and during this century Russia’s reputation has steadily declined.
                1. Aleksander
                  18 November 2016 09: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: murriou
                  But, if someone does not know how to count, 1814 years passed from 1914 to 100, and during this century Russia’s reputation has steadily declined.

                  Yes, that's why all mankind gathered on FIRST collection in its history в BIRTHDAY OF THE EMPEROR OF RUSSIA. -18 May 1899

                  In the Preamble of the 1907 Conventions, the 44 Powers specifically noted:

                  Germany, Russia, USA, France, Japan and others,; putting to promote with all forces a peaceful solution to international clashes; Desiring to reinforce a sense of international justice ;; joining in the thought of the Most August Monarch, on the initiative of which the International Peace Conference was convened, that it was necessary to secure with an international agreement the beginnings of law and justice, on which the security of states and the prosperity of nations are based; The High Contracting Parties have agreed as follows:
            3. Aleksander
              16 November 2016 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Murzik
              for me there would be a reason to be proud if they had won the Russian-Japanese war, and in the first world Russian flag would have soared over Berlin!


              And the USSR, too, do not be proud? belay
              But he only CONTINUED the policy of Russia in the struggle for international peace-from 1930-s to 1991 g :: UN, Helsinki, etc.
          2. Romans
            Romans 16 November 2016 18: 29
            +6
            Are you sane ?! They write to you that this court is corrupt, that only Nicolas executed international law and all memoranda and acts. What did he end up with? Relatives, their generals and the yard were overthrown! The Allies threw and left to their own devices, and the people, without a direct order from the Central Committee, organized lynching ... here we must learn from this! The Bolsheviks punished all traitors and wreckers, but Us now Gorbachev, Dyachenko, Yumashev, Chubais and others live quite calmly ... but the Communists and Bolsheviks are to blame for everything! And who is that traitor?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          to find at least something positive in the board of Nikolashka!

          So the idea of ​​stopping the arms race in your opinion is not considered positive?
          You know, I can understand nostalgia for the USSR, I can understand belief in communism, although I consider it a utopia, but what I don’t understand is that many fans of this theory believe that the more dirt they pour on RI, the better it will look THE USSR. Let's remember how many peaceful initiatives were during its existence and declare them "at least something positive"?
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 17 November 2016 11: 41
            0
            Quote: Dart2027
            many lovers of this theory believe that the more dirt they pour on the Republic of Ingushetia, the better the USSR will look.
            Hence, there are so many cries of November 4, a protest against reconciliation, harmony and unity of the nation. No "theory lovers" were noticed among the yelling ones. They need discord in society, "great upheavals", a civil war. It is unlikely that they themselves will go to war, counting on the show on TV and on the network. They shout: "With whom to unite ?!", believing that a person with a salary of 15 thousand rubles. in principle, there can be no common values ​​and interests with someone who has 100 times more. Why? Why are the rich and the poor necessarily enemies? I see only one reason: because for such people money is the highest value, before which everything else does not matter.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 November 2016 20: 08
              0
              Quote: Stanislav
              They need discord in society, "great upheavals", civil war

              About this, Stolypin said:
              Opponents of statehood would like to choose the path of radicalism, the path of liberation from the historical past of Russia, liberation from cultural traditions. They need great shocks, we need Great Russia!
              In addition, when some lover of revolutions begins to shout that the people should rise, he usually does not think what will happen after. Those who overthrew Nicholas II did not think the same thing that the case would end in massacre for years, the loss of vast territories and the complete collapse of the country.
        3. gladcu2
          gladcu2 16 November 2016 23: 10
          +2
          Uncle Murzik

          It is the attempts of Aleksand to raise the pride of the peoples of Russia for the accomplishment of their homeland. There is nothing negative in this and there is nothing reprehensible in the fact that the USSR was silent about such things.

          At that time, it was necessary and could not be otherwise.

          And you need to know your story, good or bad.
    3. murriou
      murriou 18 November 2016 02: 51
      0
      Wrong understand.
      Experiments with chem. weapons were in Russia after the signing of the convention and before the WWII, attempts to use chemical weapons in the WWII were on the Russian side, and the Entente countries differed from the Germans only in failure in this direction.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 39
        +2
        probably still in the fact that overgrown Germans used the first?
        1. murriou
          murriou 23 November 2016 11: 19
          0
          the first CW was used by the French in WWI.
          And in WWII - the Poles.
          But unsuccessfully.
          With engineers and especially chemists, and indeed with chem. industry, the Germans were much better then than the whole Entente combined.
          That's the whole secret.
          Don't confuse impotence with chastity, okay? laughing
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 23 November 2016 21: 59
            +1
            what else are you confusing?

            for the production of mustard gas and chlorine, special knowledge is not required, a lack of morality is required for their application.
            1. murriou
              murriou 23 November 2016 22: 47
              +1
              I understand that for Simpson, the entire high school program is classified along with historical facts.
              But for other people, there is a difference between finding solutions and getting ready-made answers.

              But in real history, it is also known to normal people that for the effective use of chemical agents it is necessary to create a high local concentration of OM with a large reserve for weather conditions.

              Russian experiments with chemical weapons led woeful researchers who did not understand this simple fact to the conclusion that the chemical weapons were completely ineffective, and this was the end of their research.
              Entente developers made a similar conclusion: that of chem. weapons can confidently achieve only an annoying effect, and focused on it ..

              In 1914, the "humane" and "civilized" French tried to use OV with rifle grenades, but again they failed. The attempt was too weak.

              The Germans, who possessed a powerful chemical industry and a large number of competent chemical engineers, and not a bunch of academics and a couple of geniuses, as in Russia, did not consider the creation of really lethal concentrations of OM as unrealistic, which was done by them in 1915.

              I emphasize: the difference between the Germans and their opponents is not that the "Teutons" lacked humanity, but that they had enough skill and ability. As soon as the Germans showed these possibilities, Russia and the rest of the Entente immediately began to do the same as best they could.

              And now you can again habitually lie to me about the invention of a gas mask in Russia, the homeland of all elephants laughing
              French counterintelligence agents learned about the availability of individual means of chemical defense by the Germans a few days before the first gas-balloon attack on French troops at Ypres on April 22, 1915. Their Belgian colleagues found an unremarkable bag made of rubberized fabric from a German deserter, inside which was a damp tampon the size of with a palm. But neither the sight of the outlandish German equipment, nor the testimony of the deserter about the upcoming "start-up of gases", aroused great interest among the French.

              First German military gas mask, spring 1915. Photo courtesy of American historian Thomas Wictor

              The first German military gas mask was a cotton pad soaked in a solution of sodium hyposulfite. Already on the third day after the gas-balloon attack near Iprom, thousands of French and British women sewed such “gas masks”.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 26
                +2
                You already confuse a real gas mask and cotton wool moistened with something that wipes it with it - a really difficult case, who would doubt it ... lol
    4. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 19 November 2016 02: 17
      +1
      Yes, the rating shows the stupidity of the article completely! lol
  2. 210ox
    210ox 16 November 2016 06: 11
    +12
    I agree .. Only Nicholas II was not a peacemaker, he wanted, but did not become .. His father was a peacemaker. And Nicholas himself went down in history as an irresponsible autocrat, or rather a self-denier from his country.
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 November 2016 06: 49
      +5
      Dmitry! hi
      It seems to me that today it is you who will have the honor to begin the next series of srach of patriots-bakers with patriots in red revolutionary bloomers ...! laughing
      1. Urfin
        Urfin 16 November 2016 07: 22
        +5
        ))) no, revolutionaries can not be attracted. Enough of those who just know the story. Nicholas 2 unleashed the Russo-Japanese colonial war, although he had many opportunities to avoid it. Nicholas 2 plunged Russia into 1 MV, although he had many opportunities to bypass it. He did nothing truly important as a peacemaker.
        And conventions and prohibitions are all just empty words. The main thing is economic and diplomatic relations that prevent the outbreak of war, and military and economic power - which makes the state independent and allows it not to get involved in wars that it does not need.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 16 November 2016 08: 36
          +7
          The FSA pushed the Russian-Japanese war of epons.
          An attempt to rehabilitate the leaders of the white movement is the same ideological diversion as in Bandera, what do we see there? Bandera and Shukhevych traitors and executioners of the Ukrainian people are now heroes, glory to them.
          Nicholas II is the most mediocre "master of the Russian land." However, we must admit that it was the Bolsheviks who turned out to be the force that took power and responsibility for the fate of the country in those conditions. The Bolsheviks relied on the people who wanted change. The White movement relied on the Entente, who wanted to destroy Russia as a state, just as it is now. To deny this objective reality ....? With regard to economic and diplomatic ties that prevent the outbreak of wars on the example of Assad and Gaddafi, such a statement is doubtful.
          Military and economic power take precedence, along with social cohesion, maturity, enlightenment, responsibility, sanity, and government professionalism. How does the GDP differ from its predecessors and "colleagues" in other countries? GDP is professionally prepared for the post of President of the Russian Federation: the profession is to defend the Motherland, year of prime minister, year of chairman of FGC, dissertation on the state and prospects of the economy of a raw materials-producing state. Therefore, despite all the challenges, sanctions, subversive activities of the "columns" of the position and swamp mold, the country continues to move forward. Of course, I don't know about others, but I feel that life has become worse every year. Nevertheless, we will overcome this, if only people comparable to GDP are in power. hi
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 16 November 2016 18: 36
            +2
            Balu, which I agree with you, is that during the outbreak of the movement began from the slurry, where Russia ended up in the middle of Borke the red-bearer. And it is very difficult
        2. Aleksander
          16 November 2016 10: 05
          +3
          Quote: Urfin
          Enough of those who just know the story. Nicholas 2 unleashed the Russo-Japanese colonial war, although he had many opportunities to avoid it. Nikolai 2 plunged Russia into the 1 MB, although he had many opportunities to bypass it. He did nothing truly important as a peacemaker.


          He did EVERYTHING to avoid wars and did not unleash anything. But he made it so that the war in Europe did not start in 1903, in 1907 (annexation of Bosnia by Austria), in 1909 (the ultimatum of Serbia to Austria was the same as in 1914), in 1912, 1913 (Balkan wars). The war with Japan was also to begin in 1903 - with the landing of the Japanese in Chemulpo, only because of the Emperor's endurance managed to stop it.
          Huge and booming increasingly strong Russia of the beginning of the 20 century interfered with ALL (as now) and was subjected to aggression by both Japan and Germany.
          Quote: Urfin
          And conventions and prohibitions are all just empty words.

          These are the laws by which countries coexist in the world, as a person lives in his country according to its laws.
          And they written by the blood of tens of millions of people who appealed to everyone: to solve interstate problems in halls and offices, and not on the battlefield.
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 21
            +4
            gee gee gee what pathos in Alexander !!! lol who and where do they comply with these international laws? The USA, like Europe, wanted to spit on them from the big bell tower! laughing you probably do not know the concept of double standards! belay
            1. Aleksander
              16 November 2016 10: 41
              +2
              Quote: Uncle Murzik
              who and where do they comply with these international laws? The USA, like Europe, wanted to spit on them from the big bell tower


              The Criminal Code, too, does not all comply. Cancel it? lol
              1. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 38
                +2
                Aleksander is punished for violating the criminal code! And they just spit on international laws, and even use them against Russia and other countries! laughing read Sagittarius2 examples: lol
            2. Monarchist
              Monarchist 16 November 2016 18: 46
              +1
              Uncle Murzik, and under the communists there were no double standards? And the Communists also sat on a boar and spat on all conventions or agreed (we remember history) with the West and quite successfully.
              Perhaps you feel sick that the Emperor was the initiator of the struggle for peace?
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 16 November 2016 19: 07
                +1
                The initiators of the struggle for peace were Russian diplomats and intelligence officers. And the emperor was an empty, inept, irresponsible ...
                1. Aleksander
                  16 November 2016 19: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: Balu
                  The initiators of the struggle for peace were Russian diplomats and intelligence officers. And the emperor was an empty, inept, irresponsible ...

                  They were all in the service of the Emperor. And he carried out his orders.
                  As if you did not bother.
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 16 November 2016 19: 47
                    +2
                    What wise orders can a person have fun shooting at crows?
                  2. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 16 November 2016 19: 49
                    +3
                    Witte-Polusakhalinsky, was also in the service of the emperor, he rode half Sakhalin, returned the lost Stalin, no matter how hard you were here.
                    Gorchakov, in the service of the emperor, rode the results of the victory in Bulgaria, Stalin bent all of Europe together with Bulgaria, which the emperors could not bend, no matter how you grumble and were not bothered, Mr. mystifier and liar.
                    1. Aleksander
                      16 November 2016 21: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: The Bloodthirster
                      Witte -Polusakhalinsky, the identity was in the service of the amp; he rode half of Sakhalin, returned the lost to Stalin, no matter how badly you were here. here you are not koryachilis and you are not bruised, Mr. mystifier and a liar


                      You-NO, you disappeared like a bad dream. And Russia was a thousand years before you (without you) and will be after (without you), no matter how you blew up the loose cheeks and did not let the last bubbles,: lol
                      1. Bloodsucker
                        Bloodsucker 16 November 2016 22: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        You are NOT, you disappeared like a bad dream. AND

                        What we consume, fly agaric tincture, Eka smoothes you ...
                    2. Aleksander
                      17 November 2016 06: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: The Bloodthirster
                      What we consume, fly agaric tincture


                      You are asking ME, what are YOU fooling your brain? belay
                      Read the article, enlighten and maybe something will brighten yes
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 16
                        +1
                        they are not here for this ...
              2. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 08: 25
                +1
                The monarchist is sick of me getting ready for a war with the Japanese and then with the Germans nikolashka was engaged in a talking room, which, as practice has shown, no one needs hi
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 19
                  +1
                  like the talking Duma was called the then Duma when people like you ceased to organize the Autocracy ...
                  isn't it uncle ball? bully
          2. Sagittarius2
            Sagittarius2 16 November 2016 11: 31
            +4
            Quote: Aleksander
            These are the laws by which countries coexist in the world, as a person lives in his country according to its laws.


            Yes, there are no "international laws", but there is always one law - who is stronger, that is right, so there is no need to hang dear.
            1. Aleksander
              16 November 2016 19: 45
              +2
              Quote: Sagittarius2
              Quote: Aleksander
              These are the laws by which countries coexist in the world, as a person lives in his country according to its laws.


              Yes, there are no "international laws", but there is always one law - who is stronger, that is right, so there is no need to hang dear.


              USSR thought otherwise yes .
              And he sought precisely the peaceful coexistence of states, that is, exactly that proclaimed Russia and its Emperor .

              How would you not enraged by this- FACT
              yes
        3. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 16 November 2016 10: 08
          +2
          Quote: Urfin
          Enough of those who just know the story. Nicholas 2 unleashed the Russo-Japanese colonial war,

          This was not even in the history books under the communists ...
          Didn't Japan attack Russia?
          1. Uncle Murzik
            Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 13
            +2
            Simpsonian The reason for the war was the Russian expansion in Manchuria. In May 1896, Russia secured a concession from China for the construction and operation of the Sino-Eastern Railway (CER) from Harbin to Port Arthur, and in March 1898 leased the southern part of the Liaodong Peninsula (Quantum) and Port Arthur, which soon turned into its main naval base in the Far East. In 1900, taking advantage of the Ichtuan revolt in China, Russian troops occupied Manchuria. However, Russia's attempt to maintain its military presence there ran into opposition from Japan, Britain and the United States, who did not want to strengthen Russian influence in northern China. In January 1902, Japan and Great Britain signed an alliance treaty directed against Russia. In this situation, Russia was forced in March 1902 to conclude an agreement with China, taking an obligation to withdraw its troops from Manchuria within eighteen months, but in every possible way delayed its execution, which led to a sharp aggravation of its relations with Japan!
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 53
              +4
              Minister Kurino, the special envoy of Japan in St. Petersburg, personally addressed Foreign Minister VN Lamsdorf with a proposal to quickly divide the spheres of influence of the two powers in the Far East. A simple, reasonable, advantageous for both states principle: Manchuria - to Russia, and Korea - to Japan, - Minister Kurino was personally voiced by Minister Lamsdorf four times! World diplomatic practice knows a little of such examples.

              It is important to note that the compromise proposed by Russia was not easy for the Japanese government. In Japan, the influence of the militaristic circles of the army and navy sharply increased!

              One of those few was Foreign Minister V. N. Lamsdorf, an exceptionally competent diplomat from the Ostsee Germans. On a Japanese note from 12 August 1903 of the year, once again offering Russians realistically to divide spheres of influence in the Far East, Lamsdorf wrote: "Mutual understanding between our countries is not only desirable, but is the best policy." It is possible that it was precisely because of this resolution that V. N. Lamsdorf was soon the decision of Nicholas II to withdraw from any participation in the peace negotiations with Japan.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 05
                +4
                The reason for the war was the desire of international Masonic circles to create a revolutionary situation in Tsarist Russia ... For some reason, Japan did not attack England, France, Germany, etc. operating in China ...
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 33
                  +2
                  Simpsonian, that is, it turns out that Tsar Nikolashka did not respond to the proposals of Japan to blame the Masonic circles? belay apparently Lenin is to blame for you again fool
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: Uncle Murzik
                    Tsar Nikolashka

                    such a Tsar does not appear in Russian annals ...

                    Masonic circles blinded these proposals, and why not the Japanese then offer them, for example, Germany, France, the USA and England? (as they did later in order of priority).

                    According to his passport, Blank was like a Freemason - that means he is guilty, although he is called "Ulyanov".
                    1. Uncle Murzik
                      Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 12: 56
                      +1
                      gee gee gee all the same Lenin is to blame, is it to blame that they lost the Crimean War? belay Well, my friend, you surprise me with your phobia! fool “A ghost wanders through Europe - the ghost of communism. All the forces of old Europe joined together for the holy persecution of this ghost: the pope and the king, Metternich and Guizot, the French radicals and the German police " lol laughing
                      1. murriou
                        murriou 18 November 2016 03: 47
                        +1
                        Now the bakers will come running to explain to you that Russia didn’t lose the Crimean War at all, and it won almost completely, and won the Russian-Japanese, and won the First World War, lol and in general, Russia was the most-greatest and mightiest in the world! fellow lol laughing

                        And at the same time she stuck head over heels in shit, knee-deep developed countries - only the Zhidomasons-Bolsheviks are to blame laughing
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 23 November 2016 22: 02
                        +1
                        she, on the contrary, was generally the only one who washed herself ...
                        so they pay you. so that you pour your garbage on it here?
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                    1. Uncle Murzik
                      Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 26
                      +1
                      KaPToC you as a young lady hysteria! laughing apparently the communists offended you in the toilet!
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 16 November 2016 13: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Uncle Murzik
                        the communists in the toilet offended

                        Voice your sexual fantasies on thematic sites.
                        If you knew that you were a communist, you wouldn’t touch it, don’t touch it gamble — you won’t call.
                      2. Uncle Murzik
                        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 14: 05
                        +2
                        KaPToC as a hysterical afflict you, I was never a communist! But as an enchanting dol ... I will say one thing: read more, maybe someday you will grow wiser! hi
                      3. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 35
                        +1
                        you see, you weren’t even accepted into the party, because everything is toilets and toilets for young ladies ...
                        I did not try to submit a turnout in EdR?
                    2. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 28
                      +2
                      but for some reason she usually reacts when they write about Peter-1 in a similar way
                      which was really bloody, if only because he executed all the rebel archers with his own hands ... and of course, he beat people to death with a club on a daily basis.
                      1. Uncle Murzik
                        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 34
                        +2
                        Simpsonian you are another college girl! lol
                      2. Uncle Murzik
                        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 37
                        +2
                        Peter built a fleet, fought with the Swedes, built cities, opened a window to Europe. Catherine the Great developed science, culture (the Hermitage remained from it), repelled the Crimea and the Black Sea from the Turk Tatars. With her, Russia became the head of world politics. Alexander 2nd - Liberator, abolished serfdom, Alexander the Third made Russia a capitalist industrial country, laid railways, telegraph !. And Nicholas II? From an early age he became famous for 3,14 as a sufferer for a German princess, sheer apathy for public administration, pathological piety and mystification. IMHO because of him, revolutions and war began. If Russia survived as a monarchy until the 17th year, it was only because such people as Witte, Stolypin, etc. appeared near the tsar. He only didn’t appreciate these people, he approached lickers like Sukhomlinov (he made him Minister of Defense, although he was a German spy and even Petersburg newspapers wrote about this). What about rasputinism? This is the plague that has eaten the state apparatus. And all because of the tantrums of the schizophrenic Alexandra, who revered this as a saint. Alexandra, during the war, transferred money to her German relatives. What is this if not treason? that the country was ruled by a wreck, who could only chop wood and pray (two hobbies of Nicholas). Yes, the Bolsheviks killed him and his family. But history punished him because he, like a couch potato and a drunk, was ineptly squandered and allowed fraudsters to take away everything that his ancestors had made - a huge rich country, the leader of European politics. And he was counted among the saints
                      3. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 14: 50
                        +3
                        you're not but rhyme ...

                        Peter personally executed all the rebel archers
                        burned the Pomeranian fleet, which alone could go to ice navigation to Europe from Kemi, Mangazeya and Arkhangelsk, and began to trade through the Danish counterparty in the Sound of the Sound, where half of the profit for the rollback remained,
                        introducing his anti-Russian reforms, he built a "new capital" on the shore of the "Swedish lake", so that with a successful rebellion against it there was an opportunity to escape by ship to the West, while ditching a huge number of construction workers of this city
                        surrendered all artillery to the Swedes near Narva, and the 1,5 millionth army in the Prut campaign
                        he fought well against Sweden 20 times inferior to him, tormented the country with reforms and wars, then enslaved the peasants and introduced the right of the first night to the landowners
                        almost like your socialist wife Trotsky, because of whom the revolution began with Ulyanov-Blanc
                        it is clear why you love this violent homosexual psycho-sadist without taking off his boots ... yes
                      4. mark2
                        mark2 16 November 2016 20: 02
                        +1
                        Simpsonian,
                        Peter personally executed all the rebel archers


                        Peter, as they say, personally chopped off the heads of the five archers in Preobrazhensky. Then a long row of carts stretched from Preobrazhensky to Moscow; on each cart sat two archers; each of them had a lit wax candle in his hand. They were followed by their wives and children with heartbreaking screams and screams. That day, 201 people were hanged at different Moscow gates.
                        On October 11, until the 21st, in Moscow there were daily executions of those responsible for the Streltsy riot. Four on Red Square broke their arms and legs with wheels, others chopped heads; most hung. So 772 people died, of which on October 17, 109 people were cut off their heads in Preobrazhensky. According to the tsar’s order, the boyars and the duma’s people were engaged in this, and the tsar himself was looking at this sight. Near the Novodevichy Convent, 195 people were hanged right in front of the cells of Princess Sophia. Three of them, hanging under the windows, stuck in their hands paper in the form of petition. The last executions of the archers were carried out in February 1699. Then, 177 people were executed in Moscow.
                        Reasons for the riot of 1698. In a nutshell: a dispute between employees and employers. In the absence of the Tsar, the boyars decided to warm their hands a little on army expenses. Then the politics joined in: "One of those who went to Moscow, the archer Maslov, began to read a letter from Princess Sophia, in which she urged the archers to come to Moscow and ask her again to dominate, and if the soldiers did not let them into Moscow, then fight them."
                        And although the rebellion was suppressed without the Tsar, but after learning what happened in Moscow. Peter became furious and rushed off to personally investigate. 1700 archers were arrested. Torture, interrogation, then execution.
                      5. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 37
                        +2
                        personally executed at least 300 ...
            2. murriou
              murriou 18 November 2016 03: 41
              0
              All right.
              But add: in 1894. Japan defeated China in a great war and gained great territorial conquests, while Russia, with the support of European powers, took them from Japan, under the guise of concern for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of China.

              From this began the conflict between Russia and Japan.

              After that, Russia showed full hypocrisy, arrogance and rudeness: did not begin to withdraw its troops, contrary to all promises and obligations, to Chinese sovereignty and territorial integrity sneezed from a high bell tower, began to actively strengthen its military presence in Manchuria and Korea, Japanese attempts to achieve Negotiations to resolve disputes ignored.

              The result was an inevitable war, which Russia shamefully blew dry.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 46
                +2
                what nonsense is rare, the Trotskyist cry for Mikado has begun ...
                and how did Russia enter it if China was already defeated and the Japanese occupied these territories?
                Russia simply didn’t need Japan at Baikal (and no other countries shared China too), so then it did not stay there for a long time.
        4. KaPToC
          KaPToC 16 November 2016 12: 43
          +2
          Quote: Urfin
          Nicholas 2 unleashed the Russo-Japanese colonial war

          The Japanese unleashed Russo-Japanese; learn the history of ignoramus ignorant.
          1. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 02: 45
            0
            And this war was provoked by Russian expansion in the Far East, an open violation of its own promises to withdraw troops after the "triple intervention" and a boorish attitude towards Japan.
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 40
          +1
          Quote: Urfin
          Nicholas 2 unleashed the Russo-Japanese colonial war

          Sorry, but who attacked whom? RI to Japan?
          Quote: Urfin
          plunged Russia into 1 MV although he had many opportunities to bypass it

          Hard to get around. In World War II, one could only sit over the ocean, and RI would have to fight one way or another. Here is against whom and as there were already options.
          Quote: Urfin
          And conventions and prohibitions are all just empty words

          Yes and no. Of course, you can get around them, but the presence of at least some rules is better than their absence.
          1. Urfin
            Urfin 17 November 2016 07: 56
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Sorry, but who attacked whom? RI to Japan?

            Japan and the United States attacked. But did they have a choice based on their ideology? how do you think?
            The Russo-Japanese War was a purely colonial war. Not a liberation one like the Patriotic ones, not a pacification of borders like a war in Central Asia, in the Caucasus and Siberia. And purely colonial in the interests of big business (and ineffective at that) against the interests of the local population. And in such a war, who attacked first does not matter. It doesn't matter which of the two gopniks hit first - they are both gopniks. On the contrary, the gopnik who hit first deserves more respect "by definition."
            Nikalay 2 had all the possibilities to resolve the conflict through concessions and diplomacy. They call him a peacemaker, which means they should be credited with these abilities. But he didn’t do it, so he is not a peacemaker. Yes, a war for a non-peacemaker would not be inevitable - therefore, he is an ordinary ruler. The king is made by the retinue - he was weak, because such a time. He was not brilliant or at least talented to go against the tide like Ivan the Terrible or Alexander Nevsky. He was an ordinary ruler.
            But, for which he can be respected and why he is a saint - he, as a pious robber on the cross, admitted that he deserves punishment and remained in Russia and accepted fair death is worthy.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Yes and no. Of course, you can get around them, but the presence of at least some rules is better than their absence.

            Rules only work when there is power. The UN differs from the League of Nations in only one thing - it was created by two superpowers and it was they who had the power to control their satellites and thereby ensure the world order. All the conventions before and after are essentially dust in the eyes - and everyone understood this, including Nicholas 2. And disarmament is just actions to postpone the war in the conditions of the "rapidly developing" Republic of Ingushetia, which "needed 20 years of rest." a blanket, a cup of coffee, champagne, crunch of rolls and a bath ... But the surrounding reality did not want to play Santa Claus with Russia.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 November 2016 20: 19
              0
              Quote: Urfin
              Japan and the United States attacked. But did they have a choice based on their ideology? how do you think?

              Exactly. Now think - what if the Japanese army besieged not Port Arthur, but Vladivostok? Have you ever thought about one question - why wasn’t Japan colonized like the rest of Asia? And why did they help create a strong industry and army? Fruited competitors?
              Armed Japan was created as a counterbalance to RI in the Far East - this is the only logical explanation.
              Quote: Urfin
              A purely colonial in the interests of large business (and what is ineffective) against the interests of the local population.
              Chinese? So they did not participate in this war.
              Quote: Urfin
              And in such a war, who first attacked does not matter. It doesn’t matter which of the two gopniks hit first - they are both gopniks.
              Some say the same about WWII.
              Quote: Urfin
              Nikalay 2 had all the possibilities to resolve the conflict through concessions and diplomacy.

              Quote: Urfin
              Japan and the United States attacked. But did they have a choice based on their ideology?

              To resolve the conflict you need a mutual desire. In Japan, people were eager for battle, plus advisers.
              1. Urfin
                Urfin 18 November 2016 08: 07
                +1
                Quote: Dart2027
                Have you ever thought about one question - why wasn’t Japan colonized like the rest of Asia?

                There was a close-knit elite. Ethiopia held on to the end - there was good elite integrity for Africa.
                Yes, and why? From then on, would you get enough, but what is the benefit? Resources? slaves? Sales market? - So it is in China, India and Africa.
                Japan was "flooded" financially.
                Quote: Dart2027
                Chinese? So they did not participate in this war.
                ..
                ... and Korean. So what, that did not participate. They fought for their use as a colonial dependent population.
                Actually, if they had won the Russian-Japanese one, then after that our wars with the Chinese like the Japanese began.
                Quote: Dart2027
                To resolve the conflict you need a mutual desire. In Japan, people were eager for battle, plus advisers.

                hmm ... Russian society was eager to defeat these "monkeys" with equal pressure.
                Quote: Dart2027
                Some say the same about WWII.

                well .. do you say that yourself? Or do you really not see the difference between WWII and 1MB?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Urfin
                  There was a close-knit elite. Ethiopia held on to the end

                  And the Ethiopians were allowed to create a powerful industry, army, navy, etc. Japan received from Europe and the USA not just finished products, but a technological and scientific base. And this is an indicator.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  Actually, if they won in Russian-Japanese, then after that our wars with the Chinese began

                  What for? RI wanted to have an ice-free port, why I consider it unnecessary to explain, and Manchuria, and the rest of China she did not need.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  Russian society was eager to defeat these "monkeys" with equal pressure

                  Hatred and desire to fight are not the same thing.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  Or really you do not see the difference between WWII and 1MB

                  In both cases, the Western countries unleashed a world carnage from which RI and the USSR could not get out.
                  1. Aleksander
                    18 November 2016 19: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Or indeed you do not see the difference between the Second World War and 1MVI in this and in another case, the countries of the West unleashed a world war, from which the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR could not get away.


                    They deny the Schlieffen Plan at all, does not fit into their worldview ....
                  2. murriou
                    murriou 18 November 2016 19: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And the Ethiopians were allowed to create a powerful industry, army, navy, etc. Japan received from Europe and the USA not just finished products, but a technological and scientific base.

                    Japan, unlike not only Ethiopia, but also Russia, had a generation by the end of the 19th century that had grown up in conditions of universal secondary education, not to mention the primary.

                    Therefore, by the beginning of the EPE, Japan had already caught up with Russia in most high-tech industries, and then surpassed it, and reached the PMW already by a considerable margin, at least in shipbuilding.

                    And here the question is not that someone gave something to Japan, but that the Japanese were able to TAKE themselves.

                    Russia was also not denied the supply of high-tech goods, but tsarist Russia was not able to absorb the majority of what was offered to it in the same way as Japan.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 18 November 2016 21: 35
                      +1
                      Quote: murriou
                      had by the end of the 19th century a generation that had grown up in the conditions of universal secondary education

                      Which the Europeans gave them. The traditional training of samurai was a bit inappropriate for this.
                      Quote: murriou
                      Russia was also not denied the supply of high-tech goods

                      Products and technologies are slightly different things.
                      1. murriou
                        murriou 19 November 2016 00: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Which the Europeans gave them.

                        The Japanese themselves introduced mass education, and what they should include in their program was also decided by themselves.
                        And did it.

                        And who prevented Russia from doing the same? British? Masons? Did the Martians compose the evil "decree on the cook's children"? Are the next pants of a bad dancer to blame? laughing

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Products and technologies are slightly different things.

                        So what? You do not play the fool, can you name examples of technologies that Russia has been denied, but not the Japanese?

                        But Japan was not exotic, as in Russia, people with a completed secondary education - therefore, the development of high technology in them went massively, easily and quickly, and in tsarist Russia it was slow and sad.
                        That's the only difference.
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 23 November 2016 22: 09
                        +1
                        it’s so strange (and again) you write, as if in Russia there was no mass education in parochial schools, craft schools, universities and gymnasiums

                        the Japanese - no, not themselves ... and even now they continue to pray for a mirror, the moon and a knife yes
          2. Urfin
            Urfin 17 November 2016 08: 12
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Hard to get around. In World War II, one could only sit over the ocean, and RI would have to fight one way or another. Here is against whom and as there were already options.

            The Swedes and Spaniards sat quite normal for themselves. Italians and Turks thought for a long time and chose the side, they haggled.
            The main thing is how to put yourself. The threat of entering the war on one side or the other would allow Russia to "have a lot of profit." And help the Serbs and benefits in the straits, etc. But this is on condition that the Republic of Ingushetia was independent in making decisions objectively and the rest would be sure of its independence. But it was not so Germany knew that, with a wave of the finger of the western capital, RI would do whatever it wanted and would dance on its hind legs. And as a subject of negotiations, no one really would have perceived it. After all, the point is this: whereas now the elite will gnaw anyone's throat for a ham, but now there is an effective power apparatus between the head of state and the economic elite. And then the power apparatus was incorporated into this elite - so a snuff box in the temple and that's it.
            Actually, everything turned out that way when the elite considered that the emperor worked out material - they without any opposition displaced him from any side. Essentially Serious not a single nobleman, who personally swore allegiance to the king, and not a single merchant stood up for his defense. Therefore, the nobility is the rot of Russian society, for which it was justly destroyed by the Bolsheviks.
            The Germans didn’t want to fight on two fronts, and if Nicholas provided guarantees of neutrality, RI would be the real greatest state now, and he would be a true peacemaker, who could forgive Russian-Japanese as well. But the Russian economic system of that time could not afford this. And we fit into the war we do not need ...
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 17 November 2016 20: 13
              0
              Quote: Urfin
              The Swedes and Spaniards sat quite normal for themselves. Italians and Turks thought for a long time and chose the side, they haggled.
              Have you tried to compare Sweden and RI on a map? The trifle could sit out, but the empire did not. Turks and Italians pushed to war. Mussolini then made a name for himself and a career, precisely as an ideologist of entering the war, but who paid for it? Why was he shot and not tried, because at 45 there was no one to save him?
              Quote: Urfin
              But this was not so. Germany knew that, by a wave of the finger of Western capital, RI would do anything
              And Germany - what is capital?
              Quote: Urfin
              The Germans didn’t want to fight on two fronts, and if Nicholas provided guarantees of neutrality, RI would have been the greatest state now

              May be. Or maybe then we would have to fight in other conditions.
              1. Urfin
                Urfin 18 November 2016 07: 56
                +1
                Quote: Dart2027
                Have you tried to compare Sweden and RI on a map?

                The fact of the matter is that the RI elite could not be independent. And got involved in an unnecessary war.

                Quote: Dart2027
                And Germany - what is capital?

                )) part of the western. Not the largest part of it ... GDP for 1913 Germany and Great Britain were correlated 1 to 2 (440 to 986 billion dollars in our money) with essentially the same economic structure. And in fact it is equal to the GDP of RI (464). But RI was an agrarian country and capital (means of production) for the most part in one way or another (in property, through loans) belonged to Western "investors", including German ones.
                As a result, 1MB became for RI a choice between investors - who to throw. Agree to the interests of the people - it has nothing to do. The choice for the weakest player is Germany. Its weakness was explained not only by the volume of economics, but also by the fact that its power was determined by the colonies as well as in England, but it was much easier to cut off Germany’s connection with the colonies. In the end, without losing to the front, Germany surrendered.
                Quote: Dart2027
                May be. Or maybe then we would have to fight in other conditions.

                So it was necessary (What could be worse than the Second World War ...
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Urfin
                  So it was necessary (What could be worse than WWII

                  To fight with all of Europe, and not subordinate to Germany, but voluntary, as in the Crimean.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  The choice for the weakest player is Germany.

                  If it were not for the Republic of Ingushetia, so that the lovers wouldn’t shout at it with mud, Germany and its allies had very good chances to roll out France and the land army of England.
                  Quote: Urfin
                  Agree to the interests of the people

                  I have heard about the interests of the people ever since the collapse of the USSR. And I can say that to be among the winners for the people is always better.
                  1. Aleksander
                    18 November 2016 19: 21
                    +1
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    If it were not for the Republic of Ingushetia, so that the lovers wouldn’t shout at it with mud, Germany and its allies had very good chances to roll out France and the land army of England.

                    France had no chance, either for economic reasons or for the military.
        6. gladcu2
          gladcu2 16 November 2016 23: 27
          +1
          Urfin

          Here you are wrong.

          Any diplomatic economic ties should be based on adopted laws. They simply cannot be formed without basing on the early agreements, which in fact are the laws.

          Russia has developed and streamlined the international system of relations. And as a leader she was responsible.

          After reading this article, I only today understood why Russia entered the First World War. Oddly enough, but on the basis of moral duty. But because in the beginning goes MORAL, and then the LAW.
          1. Urfin
            Urfin 17 November 2016 08: 26
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            After reading this article, I only today understood why Russia entered the First World War. Oddly enough, but on the basis of moral duty. But because in the beginning goes MORAL, and then the LAW.

            killing people is immoral. Only the protection of Life can be an excuse for murder and, especially, war. Such oparvadnye was in the Patriotic and even the Soviet-Finnish war. But it was not in 1MB. Serbs could not be saved by war. They stand in such a place that the Republic of Ingushetia cannot help them at the time of the already begun war. The geography is like that.
            But the threat of war is the most effective means. But RI could not remain neutral. Too dependent on Western capital and culture at that time were Russian capital, the elite and culture.
      2. novel66
        novel66 16 November 2016 07: 34
        +2
        "I will participate" wmtata
      3. 210ox
        210ox 16 November 2016 08: 26
        +2
        Eugene, everyone has the right to express their opinion .. My this .. Maybe I'm wrong, it's hard to judge now about those people and events. Probably this is forever ours ... "We wanted the best, it turned out as always"
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 November 2016 09: 27
          +4
          Dmitry, I agree, but still I would like to point out precisely the weakness and statement of Nikolai, who was under the heel of his German wife and those around him and her scoundrels!
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 07
            +2
            therefore, Germany declared war on Russia (they already wrote that he was also to blame for it) ... instead of simply settling all matters through his wife. lol
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 November 2016 11: 48
              +1
              Why only through my wife! William II was the uncle of Nikolai Alexandrovich! Uncle Willy ... hi
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 18
                +1
                then what does the wife have to do with it? and the cousin was the British King, etc.
                and Leiba Bronstein was a brother to whom? you?
                To Stalin - it seems that not even a friend ...
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 November 2016 12: 25
                  0
                  I do not know what the wife, the comrade troll, has to do with it, I wrote that he was henpecked by his wife ... and no more!
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 42
                    +2
                    Is she she told you herself, or again what Social Revolutionary came up with?
                  2. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 16 November 2016 12: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Finches
                    I wrote that he was henpecked by his wife ... and no more!

                    And in what way was it expressed?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 16 November 2016 12: 58
                      +2
                      According to the memoirs of his entourage, he was not only in the family, but also in public administration, was very influenced by his wife! As a vivid example of this, a certain peasant from Tobolsk province hung out at court for such a long time ..."Better one Rasputin than a dozen scandals."
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 16 November 2016 13: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: Finches
                        According to the memories of his entourage

                        By name please, what kind of abstract source?
                        Quote: Finches
                        a certain peasant from Tobolsk province

                        Can you cite other "peasants" as an example - for example, Lomonosov?
                      2. novel66
                        novel66 16 November 2016 13: 16
                        +2
                        and Stolypin’s fate is somewhere in the same row
                      3. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 29
                        +3
                        Quote: Finches
                        According to the memories of his entourage

                        Is this that oiled environment that threw him in 1917?
                  3. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 17 November 2016 00: 16
                    0
                    Zyablintsev

                    Simpsonn doesn't look like a troll. He has many sensible sayings.

                    But you are absolutely right. Nikolay, was not a necessary person in this post.

                    This is the case when a weak person made history. Well, I managed it before.
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 17
                      0
                      It’s like the Queen of England in the 1980s decided something herself, and not just one rat that was in full view ...
                    2. murriou
                      murriou 18 November 2016 04: 01
                      0
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Simpsonn doesn't look like a troll. He has many sensible sayings.

                      He has no more intelligence and knowledge than a parrot. But sometimes even a parrot repeats smart words of smart people lol
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 51
                        +1
                        you see you understand parrots ... I wanted to become smarter than them, I ate a lot of them, but dreams do not come true?
          2. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 11: 27
            +4
            I would add that in history there have been weak rulers, but having created a team for themselves, they were quite seated on a strong throne. mediocrity of r Romanov lies in the fact that he could not even do this - he did not tolerate, you see, strong personalities around him. Well, myself ....
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              1. novel66
                novel66 16 November 2016 12: 43
                +4
                a bunch of mediocrity, so vividly manifested as an interim government
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 31
                  +3
                  Well, the Bolsheviks, then it turns out they were an even greater crowd of mediocrity ... by the way it was
                  without some Latvians could not cope with the people
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 16 November 2016 13: 45
                    +4
                    a story to remind?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 14: 26
                      +2
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      a story to remind?

                      Come on, recall how the riots of the peasants were destroyed. By poisoning them with gas.
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 16 November 2016 16: 00
                        +4
                        in all ages, peasants have not been treated very well. the Bolsheviks remained in power. where r novels and temporary pr-in need to be reminded?
                      2. mark2
                        mark2 16 November 2016 20: 24
                        +2
                        And let’s remember how the peasant riots were suppressed about the Romanovs? Just now there were no poisonous gases.
                      3. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 39
                        +2
                        so they were not suppressed ... moreover, they were also specially provoked by the Bolsheviks in order to first cut off the most active
                        both of you answered unconvincingly ...
              2. mark2
                mark2 16 November 2016 20: 22
                +2
                No one threw off. He himself denied in favor of his son during the regency of Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich. but he also refused.
                The war, during which there was a wide mobilization of the able-bodied male population, horses and the massive requisition of livestock and agricultural products, adversely affected the economy, especially in the countryside. Among politicized Petrograd society, power was discredited by scandals (in particular, related to the influence of G. E. Rasputin and his proteges - “dark forces”) and suspicions of treason; Nikolai's declarative commitment to the idea of ​​"autocratic" power came into sharp conflict with the liberal and leftist aspirations of a large part of the Duma and society. (And here liberals, mind you!)

                Denikin wrote: “As for the attitude to the throne, the general phenomenon in the officer corps was the desire to distinguish the person of the sovereign from the court filth that surrounded him, from political mistakes and crimes of the tsarist government, which clearly and steadily led to the destruction of the country and to defeat the army. They forgave the sovereign, they tried to justify him. As we will see below, by 1917 this attitude in a certain part of the officers was shaken, causing the phenomenon that Prince Volkonsky called “revolution on the right,” but already on the basis of purely political ”
                (Ie "Strong people" from the bottom of their hearts tried to support the king, but nothing changed at court)

                You can also read Wikipedia, if it is difficult to read books, and not yell that he was thrown off. Brought the country "to the handle" - get a revolutionary situation. Where was it different?
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: mark2
                  He himself denied

                  when the train didn’t go any further and entered the carriage ...
                  1. mark2
                    mark2 16 November 2016 20: 53
                    +3
                    Well, what did you want? If, for example, you manage a corporation and manage poorly, then sooner or later the shareholders will replace you, even if it is your corporation from the very beginning. Here the same thing happened with Nicholas 2. This happens Among a number of relatively successful rulers, one comes across who loses his throne and head. Sometimes this leads to a change of dynasties. But this is when the age of monarchies goes around. When the monarchy loses its meaning due to the change of eras, the displaced monarch becomes the last monarch of his country.
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 58
                      +1
                      so that you stop lying about "nobody threw off" ...
                      in fact, he had the right to fire them all.
                      list of world monarchies did not try to google?
  3. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 07: 18
    +3
    Who needed these agreements, except for Russia, not who did not adhere belay it would be better if Nikolashka was engaged in the internal problems of the country, maybe it would have done without shocks!
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 November 2016 07: 35
      +6
      this is idiocy - everyone is preparing for war, and he is fighting for peace, shooting at cats
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 08: 30
        +4
        Suffice it to recall the words of Dragomilov about the personality of Nicholas as the heir to the throne: “He is fit to sit on the throne, he is not capable of standing at the head of Russia!” Nicholas II did not shine with mental abilities. In this regard, an anecdote, which was in vogue in October 1904, is indicative: "Why was there suddenly a need for a constitution limiting the monarchy? After all, for ten years we have had a" limited "tsar!" The best characteristic of the tsar's personality is his diary, which he kept every day since 1877. The diary basically contains only a superficial list of insignificant, but possibly important events for the author: May 28, 1905 "rode a bicycle and killed 2 crows"; February 2, 1906 "walked and killed a crow"; February 8, 1906 "walked for a long time and killed two crows." But the matter was not limited only to crows: on May 8, 1905, he wrote that he had killed a cat during a walk.
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 November 2016 09: 26
          +5
          the best characteristic of all rule is the coronation, and, in fact, the hodinka, well, the reaction of the newly made king. and then as on the thumb ...
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 33
            +2
            ... and who dashed off?

            What kind of reaction was there in England and the USA on the Titanic? canceled all movie shows and announced a day off in casinos and brothels?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 45
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          The diary is basically just a superficial list of insignificant, but possibly important events for the author

          And what was he supposed to record there? It does not occur to lovers to discuss his diary (if he is real at all) that this is not a working journal or archive of any ministry? Everything related to public affairs is recorded in the relevant documents, most of which are secret for a long time. It always has been and always will be. Here in the memoirs, they write there in a completely different way.
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 10: 13
        +3
        idiocy to make such statements ...

        By the way, your "leader of the proletariat" in exile in the flood with the butt of a gun filled so many hares crowded on the island that the boat with him almost drowned.
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 42
          +4
          Well, at least you can eat rabbits, but Tsar Nikolashka apparently ate a raven and cats? belay lol
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 10
            +3
            then half the hares had to be thrown so that the boat sailed ...
            the cat climbed after the chicks
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 29
              +2
              Simpsonian chicks of a raven? laughing you apparently beguiled Lenin with Mazai with the fairy tale "Grandpa Mazai and the Hares"! laughing
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 23
                +2
                no, not crows ...
                not beguiled ... you beguiled, and quite the opposite,
                after the quote "Bug_Bug" it comes as no surprise.
      3. Aleksander
        16 November 2016 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: novel xnumx
        this is idiocy - everyone is preparing for war, but he is fighting for peace

        Do you propose to allow chemical weapons, biological weapons, to allow everyone to beat everyone, to destroy the wounded and prisoners and to liquidate the UN Security Council?
        So say it directly.
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 36
          +2
          Aleksander Well, to destroy the Russian fleet in one war, and to unload the army before another is a merit! belay and the UN has already created Nikolashka? belaythe doctors here are powerless! lol
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 11: 07
            +6
            verily! it’s better to take off your pants directly and scare enemies with your bare ass. Incidentally, Lenin’s grandfather wasn’t to be dragged here altogether, he didn’t declare himself all-human, but in terms of business qualities, he’ll be so much like a fighter!
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 47
              +2
              Quote: novel xnumx
              verily! it’s better to directly take off your pants and scare enemies with your bare ass

              Quote: Uncle Murzik
              and unload the army before another is a merit

              And where did you get the idea that he disarmed the army? It was about the possibility of stopping the arms race, and not about the fact that we are supposedly disarming.
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 15
            +2
            destroyed a kind of quickly surrendered Rozhestvensky with his subordinates, who wetted explosives in shells in French Madagascar on the advice of "British scientists"
            Then you Trotskyite prokhindos began to star that the Russian commandos fired poorly because hits were detected by gaps that were almost absent
            what is the last name of the admiral so the squadron will float ...
          3. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 19
            +2
            no, the hirohitushka, in which Japan prayed on the mirror, the moon and the knife, sniffed the atom and who let in the Mensheviks-Bolsheviks of the interventionists,
            Entirely and not to the entire Rhine region
            but for some reason the revolutionary situation did not happen ...
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 12: 12
        +3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        this is idiocy - everyone is preparing for war, and he is fighting for peace, shooting at cats

        Fighting for peace is idiocy? I thought you were smarter, wrong
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 November 2016 12: 46
          +4
          it’s necessary to fight for peace in a calm time, and when everyone around is arming, it would be nice to take care of somewhere too
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 12: 56
            +2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            peace must be fought in a calm time

            You need to fight for peace at any time, always! And even more so when everyone around is arming.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 34
              +2
              and then the time seemed to be still calm ... wink
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 48
            +1
            Find examples of disarmament?
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 12: 50
          +2
          did he fight? belay the ancients said "if you want peace, prepare for war" laughing
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 13: 01
            +4
            uncle murzik - bravo !!! drinks
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 36
              +2
              vivat! the Nobel Peace Prize to him as Obama papa yes
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 16 November 2016 09: 35
      +3
      it would be better if Nikolashka was engaged in the internal problems of the country, maybe it would have done without shocks!

      Society wanted change and they were ripe. But only the Bolsheviks were able to unite the people around them.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 10: 15
        +3
        and who is nicholas, your friend?
        so the Bolsheviks rallied:

        Quote: Bug_Bug

        Judah the wise sayings of the cannibal ..
        “... Great plan! Finish it with Dzerzhinsky. Under the guise of “green” (we will later dump them) we will go 10–20 miles and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100.000 p. for the hanged man ... "

        December 24 - 27, 1917 (Lenin V.I. Complete collection. Op. T. 35. P. 200, 201, 204. - From the work “How to organize a competition?”)

        “The war is not for life, but for the deaths of the rich and the henchmen, bourgeois intellectuals ... they must be dealt with, at the slightest violation ... They will be sent to prison in one place ... In another they will put them to clean the outhouses. In the third, they will be provided with yellow tickets upon serving the cell ... In the fourth, they will be shot on the spot ... The more diverse, the better, the richer the general experience ... ”
        June 3, 1918 (Volkogonov D.A. Lenin. Political portrait.
        Lenin handwritten order to the chairman of the Baku Cheka S. Ter-Gabrielyan)


        "... Can you still tell Thera to have everything ready to burn Baku completely, in case of an invasion, and to print it in print in Baku."
        August 9, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 143-144).


        “Penza, the Executive Committee. ... conduct merciless mass terror against the kulaks, priests and White Guards; dubious lock up in a concentration camp outside the city. "
        (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996.P. 57.).


        “To comrades Kuraev, Bosch, Minkin and other Penza communists. Comrades! The revolt of the five volosts of kulak should lead to ruthless suppression. The interest of the entire revolution requires this, for now the "final decisive battle" with the kulach has been taken. Sample must be given. Hang (certainly hang, so that people can see) at least 100 notorious kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers. Post their names. Take away all the bread from them. Appoint hostages - according to yesterday’s telegram. To make sure that people see, tremble, know, shout for hundreds of miles: they will strangle and strangle the bloodsucker of kulaks. Wire receipt and execution. Your Lenin. "
        August 22, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 165).


        “Saratov, (to the authorized person of the People's Commissariat of Food) Paykes. ... I advise you to appoint your bosses and shoot conspirators and hesitant, without asking anyone and avoiding idiotic red tape. "
        September 10, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T.50. S. 178).


        “Sviyazhsk, to Trotsky. Surprised and alarmed by the slowdown in operations against Kazan, especially if it was correctly informed me that you have the full ability to destroy the enemy with artillery. In my opinion, you can’t spare the city and postpone it longer, because merciless extermination is necessary ... ”

        June 3, 1919 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 335).

        “As for foreigners, I advise you not to rush expulsion. Isn't it better to go to a concentration camp ... "

        (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996, S. 56).

        "All those living on the territory of the RSFSR of foreign nationals who are from the ranks of the bourgeoisie of those states that are conducting hostile and military actions against us, must be imprisoned in concentration camps between the ages of 17 and 55 ..."

        November 19, 1919 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 39.P. 315).


        “... farmers do not all understand that free trade in bread is a state crime. “I made bread, this is my product, and I have the right to sell it,” - says the peasant, out of habit, in antiquity. And we say that this is a state crime. ”
        Lenin, August 26, 1921 (Lenin, V.I.


        "T. Lunacharsky ... I advise you to put all theaters in a coffin. Education should not be engaged in theater, but literacy. ”
        March 19, 1922 (Bulletin of the Central Committee of the CPSU. 1990. No. 4. P. 190-193).


        “... I come to the unconditional conclusion that we must now give the most decisive and merciless battle to the Black-Hundred clergy and suppress its resistance with such cruelty that they will not forget this for several decades ... The more representatives of the reactionary clergy and reactionary bourgeoisie will succeed shoot about it, the better. ”
        Lenin, August 1920 (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996).


        “... take military action, that is, try to punish Latvia and Estonia by military means (for example, “on the shoulders” of Balakhovich cross the border somewhere 1 mile away and hang 100-1000 of their officials and rich there) ”.
        May 17, 1922 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 45.P. 190).


        “... The court must not eliminate the terror; to promise this would be self-deception or deception, but to justify and legitimize it in principle, clearly, without falsehood and without embellishment. ”

        Quotes from Lenin's notes:

        "Ivashek" must be fooled.
        We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
        "And I don't care about Russia ..."
        "... So that they would not dare to think about any resistance for several decades."
        "The court should not eliminate terror, but justify and legitimize it in principle"
        "The intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but shit"
        "We need to encourage the energy and mass character of terror"
        “Under the guise of the 'greens' (we will blame them later) we will walk 10-20 versts and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100.000 RUB for the hanged man "
        "... the more bourgeoisie and clergy we manage to shoot on this occasion, the better"

        well, and where without a cannibal .. demon of revolution ...
        "... We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white blacks, to whom we will give such a tyranny that the most terrible despots of the East never dreamed of. The only difference is that this tyranny will not be on the right, but on the left, and not white, but red , for we will shed such streams of blood, before which all the human losses of capitalist wars will shudder and pale. "

        that’s all the questions themselves have disappeared !!!!! normally thinking person !!!!!!
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 28
          +2
          Simpsonian Well, rather, your friend Nicholas! lol But what about becoming devoted to Lenin? belay read carefully, there are not words about Lenin! laughing
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 11: 09
            +6
            this is an old student trick, if you don't know about a tiger - you say "a hare is not a tiger" and talk about a hare. Losers are very fond of.
            1. novel66
              novel66 16 November 2016 11: 22
              +5
              and the questions, yes, have disappeared, because the reign of the beautiful-minded monarch actually led to the appearance of these "bloody monsters". a wonderful family man by the way, and they say he drank vodka without frowning. a treasure trove of talents!
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 39
                +2
                they say the one that was before him even with Mendeleev, maybe he taught the little guy what ...
                Stalin also held the blow well, while there was a need for it.
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 23 November 2016 22: 15
              +1
              if you do not know what to answer to the abomination and fanaticism of your "leader" - then you need to point at students, hares, etc., translate, or again drive shizu, trying to write pejoratively about the Russian Tsars
              1. murriou
                murriou 23 November 2016 23: 18
                +1
                As always, I sincerely sympathize crying
                Odd Simpson never got the chance to check the bug-bug "quotes" for compliance with the "primary sources" given there. laughing lol
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 33
                  +2
                  ... and on "weirdos"
                  well, check it ... you haven’t seen such before, this is not yet a complete list
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 24 November 2016 02: 06
                    0
                    A lot of things are also written on the fence for those who are able to believe everything in a row laughing
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 24 November 2016 04: 06
                      +2
                      you need it here, you check ... your Ilyich and in public with an armored car carried something like this
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 11: 21
            +2
            after this, only a complete moral could write this ...
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 53
              +2
              It is a pity that this mediocrity was at the head of the state. We’ve been dissecting the problems of one idiot for a hundred years.
              The thesis of the goodness of a weak king with a strong team breaks off cruel reality. Just the history of Russia suggests that either the team was weak, or that they worked poorly. Since the result of the reign of Nicholas2-the destruction of the country.
              I really do not really understand these snot around the personality of the king. The king is valued not for how he dressed his son in a sailor's hat or how he sawed firewood, but for how he ruled the country. That's exactly the man who ruled the country is disgusting
              1. novel66
                novel66 16 November 2016 12: 02
                +4
                I would tighten the thesis - the king is not a man, but a function, either executed or not
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 31
                  +2
                  "theses" were April Fools if that ...
                  and those who put themselves above the All-Russian Monarch, trying to express themselves in a derogatory manner about him, are completely patients, in addition to complexes.
                  devastation, and then terror, was carried out by temporary workers-Mensheviks-Bolsheviks, who, among others, were given the German General Staff during wartime by Blanka, after which he crunched his rolls to a sealed wagon in Switzerland.
                  1. Uncle Murzik
                    Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 12: 47
                    +1
                    Well, that's the last argument Lenin is a "German" spien! belay it’s already not even terry monarchists and liberals use it, you are already ridiculous Mr. Simpsonian lol
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 40
                      +2
                      Quote: Uncle Murzik
                      Lenin is a "German" shpien!

                      if someone conducts subversive work on other people's money, and even in wartime, is he not spy?
                    2. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 45
                      +1
                      the argument to you was in the second paragraph, at the same time it’s the diagnosis
                  2. novel66
                    novel66 16 November 2016 12: 48
                    +3
                    and who brought the country to a revolutionary situation? Masons again? or mediocre government?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2016 12: 58
                      +3
                      Quote: novel xnumx
                      and who brought the country to a revolutionary situation?

                      Traitors!
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 16 November 2016 13: 02
                        +4
                        well, then the king was him!
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 42
                        +4
                        it means you need to be treated ... The tsar did not write anything about creating a revolutionary situation
                    2. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 46
                      +1
                      Was the king a revolutionary and saboteur? bully
            2. novel66
              novel66 16 November 2016 12: 52
              +3
              after this, it’s like a lady’s tantrum
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 42
                +2
                please quote on the merits.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 16 November 2016 13: 53
                  +3
                  essentially
                  1 what does Lenin have to do with it?
                  2 the role of gr romanov (during the life of the surname bloody) in the struggle for peace is greatly exaggerated
                  3 what ended the struggle for peace, we know 1 world
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 16 November 2016 14: 55
                    +2
                    1. while comparing the "scale" of the abomination of your Ilyich ... he did not write that?
                    2. Who is nicknamed? it’s Peter, whom you called the great executed archers, and with it the country's population fell by a third (with Trotsky half for sure)
                    3. she is still walking, only worse and worse ...
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 16 November 2016 15: 30
                      +4
                      Under Nicholas "bloody" the country's population grew by fifty million
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 16 November 2016 16: 03
                        +3
                        and his personal contribution is a healthy heir to the throne, I suppose?
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 20: 47
                        +2
                        But should it be yours?

                        socialize the cooks closer to yourself ...
                      3. murriou
                        murriou 18 November 2016 04: 08
                        0
                        In Nigeria, the population arrives even steeper laughing other Nigerian charms are also on par with tsarist Russia laughing
                      4. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 21 November 2016 00: 58
                        +1
                        Is it really so? it’s warm in Nigeria ... you didn’t get to the Nigerians
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 16 November 2016 12: 53
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Murzik
      nikolashka

      Yes, it’s forever banned from this Murzik, he already lifted up his Nikolashka.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 16
        +1
        KaPToC you as a young lady college girl hysteria! laughing
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 16 November 2016 13: 18
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          KaPToC you as a young lady college girl hysteria!

          Event is somehow unsuccessful, nerves.
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 13: 24
            +3
            a glass? with a cucumber? will play !!!
    4. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 November 2016 00: 27
      0
      Uncle Murzik

      The existence of laws streamlines the situation. Lack leads to chaos.
      Russia has taken the necessary step that had to be done sooner or later.

      Do you know what is the so called liberal policy? Reduced restrictions. More precisely, the abolition of laws. And then the fall of morality, morality, corruption, the destruction of the state, controlled chaos, and in the end just chaos, war and misfortune.
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 08: 32
        +1
        respected gladcu2 law is good because it is fulfilled as the ancient "law of God" said, and if no one does not fulfill it, it is no longer a law! hi
  4. Engineer
    Engineer 16 November 2016 08: 37
    +5
    Yes, the rag-king made a great contribution to the cause of peace and disarmament, first provoking a Russian-Japanese war, and then the first revolution, which claimed hundreds of thousands of lives, and then disarmed his army before the First World War, sending millions of soldiers with one rifle to the slaughterhouse for three and without shells, which ultimately led to the second revolution and to millions of victims already. Peacemaker ... la!
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 November 2016 09: 24
      +6
      yeah, the Russo-Japanese war made a significant contribution to the disarmament ..... of Russia. without a fleet, read left
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 16 November 2016 09: 33
      0
      the rag-king made a great contribution to peace and disarmament

      Contribution was made by Russian diplomats and scouts, what does the tsar have to do with it? winked
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 46
        +2
        Despite the fact that they were his, and not someone else's ... By the way, he himself was the first diplomat.
    3. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 10: 23
      +3
      The Russian-Japanese war was provoked by the Masonic circles of the USA and England, pushing Japan to the war and arming it

      their temporary and Bolshevik propaganda prokhindosy like yours led to the revolution here,
      axis countries after the war to the full extent in 1917 in the east then collapsed in 1918, even plundering Ukraine for food and materials after the withdrawal of the war from tsarist Russia and the entry of the second-rate USA at that time with small forces and without any combat experience.

      the militia of 1941 half Moscow was 1 and 10, the gunners almost the entire war did not have small arms for some reason
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 03
        +3
        Well, you give Simpsonian, my friend, apparently you have a very tight history laughing
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 18
          +3
          First of all, tsarist Russia was a third-rate state, even in terms of industrial production, lagging behind the United States, England, Germany and France. Its share in the total industrial production of the five powers listed above was only 4,2%. In world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%, the share of the United States - 20, England - 18, Germany - 9, France - 7,2% (these are all countries with a population 2-3 times smaller than Russia ) And this despite the fact that in Russia in 1913 there was a record (80 million tons) grain crop. In terms of per capita gross national product, Russia was inferior to the United States - 9,5 times, England - 4,5, Canada - 4, Germany - 3,5, France, Belgium, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, Spain - 3 times, Austria-Hungary - 2 times.
          Russia not only "pulled away", but continued to lag behind - in 1913 its GNP correlated with the GNP of Germany as 3,3 to 10, while in 1850 the ratio was 4 to 10.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 16 November 2016 19: 56
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            these are all countries with a population 2-3 times smaller than Russia

            With or without blacks?
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            In terms of gross national product per capita

            You know, if the USA and Germany were really very developed countries, then Spain then, or New Zealand, is sorry.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 00
              +3
              even Soviet textbooks put the United States lower than France, Russia with it about equal but slightly higher, thus highlighting Russia from 3rd place to 5th
              ahead were only Great Britain and Germany (after the merger), due to the fact that in both countries coal basins and iron ore deposits were nearby.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 16 November 2016 21: 33
                +1
                Quote: Simpsonian
                even Soviet textbooks put the United States below France

                Honestly, I don’t remember, but to look for laziness, but the fact that she was not backward was not there.
                Quote: Simpsonian
                due to the fact that in both countries, coal basins and iron ore deposits were nearby

                Fans of "developed countries" never remember this.
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 22: 03
                  +2
                  they forget the rest about it ... and then they have all-all-all and oil-oil-oil.
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 16
              +2
              it’s just a stupid, stubborn, golem troll, which puts the USA before WWI in the first place - they went around the German Empire only after WWII in the 30s when it became a republic, and the freemason Roosevelt brought down exchanges in the USA, set up a Depression, dictated the gold and silver dollars and drove him into American collectivization-industrialization, starving Americans to build dams and roads, and they bypassed the British Empire only after WWII, when it was slightly crippled by that war, and that kept India after it ...
              the main goal was not this, but racially thinning out the Russians and Chinese ...
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 17 November 2016 00: 42
                +2
                Simpsonnian

                In fact, it is believed that the United States was then depressed by Rockefeller. Taking advantage of the lack of laws governing the exchange. Bled America literally in days, having pumped out all the cash.

                And Roosevelt then restored America. He created the army of the unemployed and sent them to the construction of roads, tying money emissions to a unit of labor hours.

                But your version also sounds believable and is not included in the context of materialistic dialectics. And it’s easier, from the point of view of who benefits from it.
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 08: 36
                  +1
                  gladcu2 you'd better read the links! or at least go in and google industrialized countries before the first world war lol learn a lot belay
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 25
                    +1
                    did you write them? and why is it you flea on this issue, even Soviet textbooks are not a decree?
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 November 2016 01: 05
                +2
                Roosevelt walked under him ... everything went according to plan, then they had non-labor "hungry" armies in the 40s, in the USA then there was no universal military duty, they needed an incentive for people to go to serve.
                But it wasn’t long during the Vietnam War, that caused protests.
                Now the stimulus was created by the army of the homeless.
              3. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 November 2016 01: 20
                +2
                You yourself understand that Rockefeller himself could not withdraw gold and silver dollars from the population in order to turn his focus with depreciating paper dollars so that the population became impoverished and who got into the American labor army and some into the simple army ... gold and silver always what they stand ... For this, he had President Roosevelt ...
                and in Russia before that - Trotsky
                By the way, about 3 million people died of starvation in the United States.
                there the population is forbidden to own gold bullion, this is the FRS monopoly, which prints pieces of paper and really is a non-state structure.
            3. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 08: 39
              +1
              There are still not a lot of statistics for you, but you go on and on the nonsense! At 24472 factories there were only 24140 electric, steam, and diesel engines (with an average power of 60 hp). That is, not even every plant had at least one engine. So much for "advanced technology". In terms of power supply and mechanical equipment, Russia lagged behind the United States by 10 times, from England by 5 times, from Germany, Belgium, and New Zealand by 4 times. Let's add here another interesting fact: in 1913 there were 3,035 million telephone network subscribers in the United States, 797 thousand in Germany, 536,5 thousand in England, 185 thousand in France, and 110 thousand in Austria-Hungary. ., in Sweden - 102 thousand, in Denmark - 98 thousand, but in Russia - 97 thousand subscribers. And this is with Russian distances ...
              In 1913, Russia imported from other countries more than 1 million tons of steel and 8,7 million tons of coal.
              Here are a few more figures. In 1913, the USA smelted 25 million tons of steel, Russia - 4,2 million tons, over 5 years in the USA steel production increased by 5 million tons, in Russia by 1,7 million tons (average 1 million ., and 0,34 million tons per year). 1% of the increase in steel production was pulled in the USA by 200 thousand tons, in Russia by only 25 thousand tons - in 8 times less.
              The level of labor productivity in industry in Russia was less than: in the USA - in 9 times; in England - 5 times; in Germany - 4 times.
              In 1909-1914 the British riveted 64 large surface ships, the Germans 47, the French 24, the Italians 16, Russia, with attempts, completed and re-created 10 surface ships of the class battleship-cruiser. And this despite the fact that in Russia military spending in 1908-1913gg. accounted for 32 - 33% of the total state budget.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 42
                +2
                about this "has already been" ... why did the USSR buy ships abroad?
                some Finland built ships for him all the way ... like Poland landing ships and planes,
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 17: 09
                  +1
                  Simpsonian to you with your folly and as a victim of EG I explain, the USSR was the second power in the world, unlike tsarist Russia! laughingyou look carefully at the numbers and see where tsarist Russia and where the United States fool
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 32
                    +2
                    Uncle Ball, When, in the 1920-30s? The Bolsheviks would not have been happy with the Red Terror - they would have been on the first.
                    And the further away from 1913 the less Russian became ...
                    That’s why they arranged for it to be completely gone ...
              2. murriou
                murriou 18 November 2016 05: 15
                0
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                In 1909-1914 ... Russia, with attempts, completed and re-created 10 surface ships of the class battleship-cruiser.

                In fact, everything is even worse. We consider:

                2 "Andrey Pervozvanih" - obsolete pre-dreadnought type EDBs, they began to design even before the RYAV, to build - soon after, they delayed construction for several years, and they managed to become obsolete even before construction began. They didn't even participate in WWI. Funds for their construction were wasted.

                Another 2 EBRs of the same class and generation "John Chrysostom" and "Eustathius" were built on the Black Sea. Well, these at least somehow managed to make war, although they were also outdated at the time of the laying. But they did not have such dangerous opponents at the World Cup as in the Baltic.

                4 battleships of the "Sevastopol" -type - laid down in the summer of 1909, commissioned during the war 5,5 years later. Outstanding result laughing for long-term construction. Obsolete during the construction period, from potentially quite good to hopelessly backward. In WWI, they were practically not used for their utter hopelessness.
                The funds were also wasted, and huge ones: each "sowing cost Russia one and a half times more expensive than England superdreadnoughts like" Queen Elizabeth ", close to the" Sevas "in terms of commissioning time, and incomparably superior to them in all other respects.

                But the most long-term construction record is the Bayan-class armored cruisers. What do you call a yacht ... laughing
                The original project in general in 1898, a French building, the first ship of the series was put into operation in 1903.
                In 1904 They decided to continue the series, with some modernization of the project, in 1905. 3 ships laid.
                French was completed and commissioned in 1908.
                Russian sisterships - in 1911! laughing
                It is clear what their combat value was by then.

                Total - 10 really built ships, but all of them are chickens to laugh.

                The armored cruiser "Rurik-2", the best "Russian" ship of its class, was made in England.
                There was still one of the imperfections.
                Battlecruisers of the "Izmail" class - laid down in 1912, abandoned halfway through, because Russia could only get a significant part of the critical components for them abroad.
                As a result, everyone went to scrap.

                Light cruisers of the "Svetlana" type - 4 Baltic and 4 Black Sea, were also abandoned unfinished for about the same reasons, completed already in the USSR, and less than half of them were used as cruisers, some became tankers, etc.

                As it were, battleships of the "Empress" type were put into operation after 1914 and also significantly lagged behind analogues of the same time of commissioning made in developed countries.

                Here is all about the successes of tsarist shipbuilding in the 20th century.
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 23 November 2016 22: 18
                  +1
                  And a lot of the USSR built battleships? And Tsarist Russia had ...
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 23 November 2016 23: 36
                    0
                    Tsarist Russia did not have real battleships either.

                    There were miserable parodies that lagged far behind their counterparts in developed countries and even Japan, launched in the near future.

                    Baltic "sevas" in their entire history as battleships were not used. In WWI, they spent most of their time at the capital, went out to shoot on land a couple of times, during the civil war one of them fired at the British destroyers once - to no avail, but at least he took part in a naval battle. laughing

                    In WWII, the sevas worked as floating batteries, never worked as a full-fledged battleship.

                    The Black Sea "imps", which did not have an equal enemy in the theater of operations at all, behaved a little more bravely - but they also did not have much success: once from a long distance the Goeben was fired upon, a couple of times - the light (!) Cruiser Breslau , all the times - to no avail.
                    Well, they also shot a little on land. Then one of the "empresses" exploded and sank right into the base, the other began to be released into the sea much less often, the "Emperor Alexander" entered service after the end of intense hostilities, the "Emperor Nicholas" did not have time to enter service at all.
                    Before WWII, all the "imps" did not survive, the former "Alexander", who did not manage to sink, was dismantled for scrap in 1936 for obsolescence, the rest went to the bottom without a fight, and then scrapped even earlier. That's their whole career.

                    But for the USSR, battleships were no longer a priority and, as the experience of WWII shows, are not needed at all.

                    But the USSR could build the world's best tanks and good aircraft, fully provided itself with artillery and small arms, which tsarist Russia was completely incapable of in WWI.
                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 41
                      +2
                      In Tsarist Russia, the battleships "Empress Maria" were quite at the level ... it's all the same more complicated than just artillery.
                      In Tsarist Russia, Sikorsky built unparalleled strategic (for that period) bombers, in the USSR he copied the American tupolev, where he had left
                      by the way, why discuss this with you if you went down even to the point that a Russian gas mask began to be replaced by a German fleece
                      1. murriou
                        murriou 24 November 2016 02: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        In Tsarist Russia, the battleships "Empress Maria" were quite at the level.

                        Yeah, when commissioned at the end of 1915, when the developed countries had long since switched to the creation of superdreadnoughts, the "imp" were made at the level of the French, Italian and Japanese battleships of the 1911-1913 model of commissioning, and much lower in all respects the level of the British "Queen Elizabeth", German "Bayerns" and Japanese "Fuso". crying

                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        In Tsarist Russia, Sikorsky built unmatched strategic (at that time) bombers

                        Poor Simpson, how many times have I written to you facts that smash your mythology, how the Germans defeated Samsonov - but Simpson did not learn to read in Russian and understand what he read ... crying
                      2. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 24 November 2016 04: 08
                        +2
                        poor thing, something unlike ... for example, in the towers.
                        and why then you had to arrange a diversion at their shipyard?
                        flea, you again have a painful fixation on your account ...
    4. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 November 2016 00: 34
      0
      Engineer

      The king is more suited to another characteristic. In addition to his weak personality, he was also an altruist. And this is, in my opinion, the most vile characteristic.

      For any work you need to demand a fee.
      Having created international law, there must be an international judge. But the judge needs performers, which means the army. And you have to pay for the army. And now, having promoted the law of Russia, it did not take a fee, but retained moral obligations.

      And this is the main mistake that dragged Russia into a chain of wars on moral obligations.
  5. V.ic
    V.ic 16 November 2016 09: 57
    +3
    With good intentions, the road is paved ... You know where. So Nikolai RI was dragged into the ditch at the side of the world path, from where the Bolsheviks had long been getting its fragments.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 10: 01
      0
      V.ic to the point !!!! good
    2. Aleksander
      16 November 2016 11: 03
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      With good intentions, the road is paved ... You know where


      Cancel the UN and allow chemical weapons? Well, offer it. yes
      Quote: V.ic
      So Nikolai RI was pulled into a ditch at the side of the world path, from where her fragments had long been taken Bolsheviks

      And who is it, in the ditch, lying around in the 1991 in an indecent form, in the snot and fragments of the country they’ve killed, aren't they?
      And, interestingly, no one made an attempt to pull them out, and they themselves did not want to get out.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 16 November 2016 11: 32
        +4
        Quote: Aleksander
        Cancel the UN and allow chemical weapons?

        UN canceled intervention in Korea (July 7, 1950)?
        The fascists used chemical weapons in May 1942 against partisans in the Adzhimushkaysky quarries and against katsetniks. Bacteric weapons were used in China by japas. But a nigger mattress general played with a test tube purportedly from Saddam. They hanged Saddam, and your friends never presented the Iraqi chemical weapons to the world. But full-time feeding males are thrown by cylinders with chlorine. And where is your UN, hooped or fucked?
        Quote: Aleksander
        And who is it, in a ditch, lying around in 1991 in an indecent form, in snot

        Are you talking about the beloved Fuhrer of the crap Baruch Elson? So it was not in 1991, but in September 1989!
        Quote: Aleksander
        Yes, they themselves did not want to get out.

        Well, yes, and on October 4, 1993, near the White House, there were from 200 to 500 people. together they shot themselves for the good of a "democratic" Russia, led by American hirelings and political / economic crooks.
        1. Aleksander
          16 November 2016 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          Are you talking about the favorite Fuhrer of the dermokrats, Baruch Elson?

          And about all the other commies, who looked indifferently, as their government disappears like smoke.
          Quote: V.ic
          Well, yes, and on October 4, 1993, near the White House, there were from 200 to 500 people. shot themselves together for the good of "democratic" Russia,

          There were ALL normal people who opposed the EBN putsch, regardless of party affiliation
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 16 November 2016 13: 43
            +2
            Quote: Aleksander
            There were ALL normal people who opposed the EBN putsch, regardless of party affiliation

            Judging by your comments on this resource, you would crumble them very finely with a feeling of deep satisfaction ...
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 15: 23
              +3
              judging by yours, you would have definitely taken them there for this ... again, shamelessly you are haponim with the Bible in your hands.
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                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 30
                  +2
                  do you pray in the toilet otherwise you somehow got confused in the comment ...
            2. Aleksander
              16 November 2016 19: 24
              +2
              Quote: V.ic
              Judging by your comments on this resource, you would crumble them very finely with a feeling of deep satisfaction ...


              Who judges something? lol Low-sighted "judges" and judgments are appropriate, yes yes
      2. novel66
        novel66 16 November 2016 11: 35
        +4
        Alexander, did I miss something, or was the mass weapon used in the first world chemical weapon? Well, who forbade what?
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 14
          +2
          to the Iran-Iraqi massively, he was given to the socialist Arabs against the Islamic Persians of the United States and Germany
        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 51
          +2
          you missed:
          Quote: novel xnumx
          Cancel the UN and allow chemical weapons? Well, offer it. yes
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 14: 06
            +2
            the quote is never mine
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 15: 05
              +2
              it is written there
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 16 November 2016 17: 28
                +2
                Quote: Simpsonian
                it is written there

                They write a lot on the fences ...
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 31
                  +2
                  and you go and read ...
        3. murriou
          murriou 18 November 2016 04: 23
          0
          Moreover: Russia before and during WWI also tried to create and apply a chemical. weapons, like other countries, are only much less successful lol
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 06
            +2
            Russia has invented a gas mask.
            "lol "- very characterizes ...
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 16 November 2016 20: 19
        +1
        So this is "comrades are going the right way." By the early nineties, it was clear to a hedgehog that the ideas of communism were bullshit. At one time, if you remember, the "bald maize" promised that 1980 people would live under communism; in the late sixties and early seventies, the Kremlin realized that before communism, like before the moon, developed socialism was born with cancer. By the nineties, they no longer knew how to tie communism.
        And the Politburo got used to listening to what the Secretary General will say, and there turned out to be a dibilius labeled
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 31
          +2
          Do you think he’s all not on purpose?
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 18: 14
          +1
          A monarchist, well, only China is in second place in the world, unlike Russia, and they have a Communist Party in the leadership! laughing
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 37
            +2
            nationalists actually ...
  6. Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 16 November 2016 10: 33
    +3
    How many possessed "cooks" again ran in the comments ...

    akst, even your class-loyal German-socialist corporal (the one who is not a cadet-captain) did not cope with state affairs, against the former "seminarian" yes

    By the way, everyone said that the Wehrmacht fought worse than the Kaiser's army, just the Red Army - even worse, and no one "saved Paris."
    1. novel66
      novel66 16 November 2016 11: 12
      +5
      It would be more correct to "read" this even the seminarian knew!
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 06
        +1
        it’s fine with you anyway ... the seminarist would certainly not have stooped to communicate with you, and his deputy L.P. gave such, at best, when the train departed with a boot from the footboard of the carriage to the "tabloid" yes
        after which they stood to the accompaniment of the orchestra and continued to sing "Hosanna" to the departing train.
        because the one who disrespects and puts himself above the Russian Tsar and the leader is worthy of this, especially if in a private conversation he previously approved the assassination of the Tsar’s Family ...
        1. novel66
          novel66 16 November 2016 13: 14
          +4
          that is, have already reached the "fool himself"? the arguments are over?
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 52
            +2
            when the arguments end, they go down to spelling ...
          2. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 04: 24
            0
            Simpson's reasonable argument never even started laughing
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 08
              +1
              someone under the flea usually has fleas ...
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 11: 23
      +3
      Well, my friend Simpsonian, you break all the records of stupidity! laughing Didn’t the Wehrmacht defeat the French army with the British troops in just a month! fool
      1. novel66
        novel66 16 November 2016 11: 37
        +5
        Yes, he did not break the French - they surrendered themselves, fervently and with fervor. true back adversary scratched-say-resistance ....
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 16
          +1
          you too ... the USSR surrendered in 1941 in less time several France, in which in 1940 there were tank battles on the scale of the Battle of Kursk
          1. novel66
            novel66 16 November 2016 13: 25
            +4
            to remind how it ended?
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 November 2016 15: 06
              +1
              Lendlis, which was not in the PMV
              1. novel66
                novel66 16 November 2016 16: 08
                +5
                deigned to fart in a puddle. though Ignatieff read how much and what tsarist Russia bought.
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 33
                  +1
                  LL in general, as it were, was going for nothing, not even on credit, so much - I didn’t buy for sure.
              2. V.ic
                V.ic 16 November 2016 17: 35
                +1
                Quote: Simpsonian
                Lendlis, which was not in the PMV

                There really was no Land Lease in WWI, only for some reason the railway in Romanov-on-Murman was quickly put down. For the delivery of "imported military goods" to the Republic of Ingushetia, which the British, during the evacuation and Romanov-on-Murman, simply drowned in the sea, so that the Bolsheviks would not be left, although they paid for them with Russian gold.
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 35
                  +1
                  maybe in order to have a connection with the base of the Northern Flotilla?
                  rightly drowned so that the "world revolution" does not come to them.
                2. murriou
                  murriou 18 November 2016 04: 34
                  0
                  In WWI Russia received from the Allies most of the "Russian" aircraft, almost all of which were of foreign design, and almost all aircraft engines for them; a significant part of the heavy field artillery, and even what seemed to be produced in this category in Russia, was also of foreign design; more than half of "Russian" machine guns, 40% of "Russian" rifles, more than 30% of ammunition, in large calibers - the overwhelming majority; on most of the "Russian" armored vehicles, among which the Austin-Putilovets was the most massive, only armor was Russian. Well and so on, respectively.

                  The dependence of the USSR on Lend-Lease was several times less than the dependence of the Russian Empire on supplies of the Entente.
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 12: 59
        +1
        here you continue to reveal your poor mind ... in 1940 no one hurriedly stepped in Galicia and in East Prussia
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 13: 22
          +2
          did the tsar-peacekeeper attack? Well, only the main part of the German troops was on the western front, and then the tsarist generals proceeded laughing
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 16 November 2016 13: 56
            +1
            and he had to "immediately surrender" after Germany declared war on his country?
            the Russians were advancing on the fortified area, and when the Germans removed the troops from the western front, they counterattacked
            you know all this, you just stink here.
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 14: 28
              +1
              In the first weeks of the war, the German command directed its main attack against France. More than 1,5 million people were transferred to the Western Front. The Austro-Hungarians and the 200th 8th German Army will deter Russian troops on the Eastern Front until the defeat of France!
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 16 November 2016 15: 08
                +2
                why do you persist, are you ridiculous ... did you yourself write that troops were then transferred from the western front? by rail at such distances this is done quickly
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 16: 48
                  +1
                  Simpsonian you really are ridiculous, your poor mind can not get anywhere belay transferred not from the eastern front but from Germany! stop looking at the internet how many German troops were on the western front! lol
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 36
                    +1
                    you already confuse east and west, not only translate arrows
                    troops were withdrawn from the western front, this weakened the blow to Paris, otherwise there would be no taxi drivers ...
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                    1. Simpsonian
                      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 14
                      +1
                      go kiss with your cat, he licks under his tail ...
            2. murriou
              murriou 18 November 2016 05: 22
              +1
              Quote: Simpsonian
              Russians were advancing on the fortified area,

              Tell us about the fortified area in East Prussia in 1914! laughing
              And tell us at the same time how Samsonov’s army was smashed to smithereens by numerically smaller enemy forces, and Rennenkampf’s army escaped from numerically smaller forces.
              This is also the fortified area of ​​East Prussia to blame, right? Or the Bolsheviks? Or freemasons? Or did the bad dancer's pants fail again? laughing
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 15
                0
                Koenigsberg forts, for example, what year of construction?
                about the "numerically smaller" go tell them ...
  7. Finches
    Finches 16 November 2016 13: 34
    +1
    KaPToC,
    Lomonosov, nothing to do with it!

    In the open press, including on the Internet, there is a huge amount of memoirs of Nicholas's contemporaries - the Grand Dukes and high dignitaries of the Empire, which you can easily find, including excerpts from the diaries of the Emperor himself! And you can easily draw the right conclusions! From what I have read personally, I can recommend the "Book of Memoirs" by Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich, by the way it is very interesting. hi
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 15: 12
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      Lomonosov, nothing to do with it!

      was he not a communist?

      what kind of dignitaries-memoirs, many of them were Russian monarchists ?, which excerpts and not all diaries entirely,
      and why didn’t these creatures help their King, but stood laughing for the time being aside?
      Well, would they introduce ... regency if he suddenly was no?
  8. captain
    captain 16 November 2016 15: 38
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Aleksander
    compare the 1864 conference with the 1899 conference 1907 is the same

    Alexander, it’s impossible and practically useless to argue and prove that the two types of communist and atheist people are the same in themselves. I stopped arguing with them. I submit proofs on articles and documents. Any argument you make will be perverted by them and questioned, without any argument.
    Anyone other than their opinions are automatically entered by them into the registry of feiks. They can be trolled, or they can be pitied, because their appearance and ideas are an endangered legacy of 70 summer paranoia.
    Remembering your post yesterday hi

    Well, you Alexander resent the true Leninists. There is no history for them before 1917 and Russia began for them in 1917 and everything that happened before 1917 was not Marx-Engels, but ignorance and savagery. For them, Nikolai was bloody, and Lenin, who in his telegrams 1918-20gg ordered to take hostages from among the bourgeoisie and shoot them, was an angel in the flesh.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 39
      +1
      yeah, they are "incubator" ... by the way, they are
      completely "alien" Yezhov and Beria shot
  9. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 16 November 2016 16: 34
    +3
    An emperor like Nicholas II still needs to be earned from God. The families had 5-8 children, the Empire was developing Siberia, the Far East, the Chinese howled in grief. And now the oligarch commissars are finishing the last remnants of the country. There is a war with the brotherly people, the Slavs enthusiastically destroy the Slavs. The Chinese are taking over the Far East and Siberia. Only oligarchs are happy in Russia. Well, continue to water the emperor and enjoy the oligarchy! And you will have "happiness"!
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 16 November 2016 16: 53
      +3
      Old Horseradish what a wonderful life under the king was said statistics, and not verbal diarrhea! In general, in 1913, life expectancy in various countries was: Great Britain - 52 years, Japan - 51, France - 50, USA - 50, Germany - 49, Italy - 47, China - 30, India - 23 years. [ 56] In Russia - 30,5 years. [57!
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 41
        +1
        you have diarrhea, in these societies there were no strong families, and hygiene was at the proper level only in Russia
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 10: 15
          +1
          Simpsonian and links will be all the same, or again fantasy! lol
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 17 November 2016 12: 36
            +1
            you don’t have enough imagination to write abominations ... learn to use Google yourself,
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 18: 11
              +1
              Simpsonian gee gee gee for me you understand from you not one link, only verbal diarrhea or nonsense! wassat
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 40
                0
                from you only one "gygygy", "give links", "diarrhea", "delirium" and that what your Blank called the intelligentsia ...
                Uncle Sharik (s), you would have already written that with all his other quotes about the Russian people, you also agree.
          2. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 05: 25
            0
            Well, when did this have something in Simpson's arguments other than his wild imagination? lol
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 16
              +1
              "gavriou", and why are you just writing about me here? bully
    2. Finches
      Finches 16 November 2016 17: 59
      +2
      And you have no history after 1917 .... This is the problem ...! Although Clio is absolutely drumming and the opinion of Christ bakers and the opinion of the Communists, because she knows for sure that the Truth in life is one and she sooner or later puts everything in its place!

      They gave Kolya to steer - he taxied, his own throws him! Liberals are beginning to steer ... liberals, the country is pouring at a fantastic speed, the Bolsheviks are stopping decay, but they are constantly being pressed and they make mistakes, go too far and again liberals come to power ..., liberals! They ruined the Russian Empire, they are ruining the USSR .... And now, as soon as Russia is less or less strong, forces striving to divide the society again creep out from the stinking cesspool and strike, including in ideological disagreement! Both you and you, like Kolchak, who are hanging on a sign that rests on no one — voluntarily or involuntarily become adherents of the Western establishment who dream of returning Russia to the time of Yeltsin, when the country was put in a knee-elbow pose for the sake of Anglo-Saxon capital! hi
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 45
        +1
        your ilyich rolls crunched in Europe, which was just learning to wash
        again - "the Englishwoman crap" so that the pests are not found closer?
      2. Aleksander
        16 November 2016 22: 12
        0
        Quote: Finches
        , the country is pouring at a fantastic speed, the Bolshiviki is stopping disintegration

        What crumbled to the Bolsheviks? Tov Kr-I have already stung his nose at his nonsense.
        ALL, I stress, ALL states declared independence AFTER the October coup, AFTER the criminal Bolshevik "declaration of the rights of the peoples of Russia", which announced

        Council of People's Commissars decided to base its activities on the issue of the nationalities of Russia with the following principles:
        The right of the peoples of Russia to free self-determination, up to the separation and formation of an independent state.


        All and self-defined.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 16 November 2016 22: 32
          +2
          Quote: Aleksander
          WHAT fell to the Bolsheviks?

          Nose you poke clearly where to poke again, uneducated?
          Quote: Aleksander
          ALL, I stress, ALL states declared independence AFTER the October coup, AFTER the criminal Bolshevik "declaration of the rights of the peoples of Russia", which announced

          What is all that squealing on the verge of ultrasound is about?
          On March 7, L. G. Kornilov personally arrested the Empress and children of Nicholas II in Tsarskoye Selo. Alekseev in Mogilev surrendered the emperor to the Duma convoy. Then, in Crimea, Deputy Kolchak (whom the Provisional Government called to Petrograd at that very moment) Rear Admiral V.K. Lukin led the arrest of the great princes who were there, including one of the most prominent representatives of the tsar’s family, Alexander Mikhailovich. As can be seen from these facts, it was not the Bolsheviks who arrested the tsar, but his first assistant M.V. Alekseev.
          In 1917, the Russian liberals destroyed the monarchy in our country, and the British liberals (the government of England) refused to accept the Russian emperor and condemned him to death. Today's revisionist liberals praise the tsar and pre-revolutionary tsarist Russia for the sole purpose of turning us away from Soviet Russia.
          So, who then Nikolashka brought down? Who started to tear down the country?
          Alexander Blok wrote on July 12, 1917: "The separation of Finland and Ukraine suddenly frightened me today. I am beginning to fear for" Great Russia. "In September, after Ukraine, the North Caucasus began to separate, where (in Yekaterinodar) the" United Government of the South-Eastern union of Cossack troops, mountaineers of the Caucasus and free peoples of the steppes "), in November - Transcaucasia (foundation of the" Transcaucasian Commissariat "in Tiflis), in December - Moldavia (Bessarabia) and Lithuania, etc. Some regions also proclaimed their" independence " provinces and even counties! ”The catastrophic disintegration of the country was a consequence of the February Revolution, when the Bolsheviks gathered together the Russian lands that had been divided under Kerensky's Provisional Government.
          What orem, illiterate talker?
          Quote: Aleksander
          The right of the peoples of Russia to free self-determination, up to the secession and formation of an independent state.
          All and self-defined.

          Is it your Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, despite the REFERENDUM as the supreme will of the People, that destroyed the country?
          You, Mr. liar, in my rage of lies, are looking ready to reevaluate the story to your advantage, silent who destroyed it in reality.
          The officialdom of TV already provides information - FOR the collapse of the country in the 20th century twice, in February 17 and August 91 are LIBERALS. So keep quiet already.
          1. Aleksander
            17 November 2016 09: 17
            +2
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            So, who then Nikolashka brought down? Who started to tear down the country?

            Read Stalin, "A short course of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, it says that the Bolsheviks carried out the February revolution on the streets, but such byaki Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks took advantage of the fruits of the Bol's actions. lol
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            What orem, illiterate talker?

            Not shouting, but gently politely poking today's mummers' commas into the fragrant puddles he wore. yes

            stupid criminal so-called "declaration of the rights of peoples"was signed so called "Sovnarkom" November 2, 1917 after Octpatch besides, full self-determination was promised in the so-called. "peace decree"

            After these three CRIMES against Russian statehood, ALL understood that no legal authority and in this chaos, you can separate or at least escape from chaos to restore order

            Then it started like a snowball: NOBODY, of course, the so-called. owls. "power" did not recognize and began:

            -Finland-declaration of independence December 6 1917,
            - Ukraine is the same December 19 1918
            -Latvia is the same November 18, 1917,
            -Estonia February 24 1918,
            -Lithuania February 16 1918
            -Poland November 11, 1918
            -Georgia 26 May 1918 g,
            -Armenia - 28 May 1918
            -Azerbaijan -28 May 1918 g
            -Turkistan November 27, 1917

            Before the October (25) crime, the situation was as described by the Ukrainian nationalist historian SAVCHENKO, an ardent lover of Petliura and other ukronatsistov:

            Despite the self-proclamation of the autonomy of Ukraine, as early as June 1917 of the year, this autonomy is in reality did not exist until the end of October 1917th since real power in the so-called South-Western provinces of Russia held the Provisional Government of the Russian Republic.
            Only with the fall of the Provisional Government in Petrograd, the possibility of transition full power in Ukraine in the hands of the Central Rada

            And this is an estimate from TOI, themselves ukronatsikov.

            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            It is your Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, contrary to the REFERENDUM as the supreme will of the People, destroyed the country


            These are YOUR communists, and the highest order commas destroyed the country in 1991, as they destroyed it in 1917-g.
            1. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 10: 49
              +2
              Aleksander and not L. G. Kornilov on March 7 personally arrested the Empress and children of Nicholas II in Tsarskoye Selo. Alekseev in Mogilev surrendered the emperor to the Duma convoy? belay and what’s not provisional provocation by its inaction led to the October Revolution? The indecisiveness and weakness of the Provisional Government are superimposed on the ongoing economic degradation: the never-ending hyperinflation, the explosive growth of public debt, the formation of the “black market”, the failure of attempts to organize a surplus appraisal. The wide participation of the Mensheviks in the work of the Provisional Government leads to a decrease in their popularity; In the elections to the Constituent Assembly, the Mensheviks gain only 3% of the vote, the lion's share of which is represented by Georgia. An additional reason for criticism is the extreme delay in the election of the Constituent Assembly; after long delays, these elections are scheduled for November 12 only.
              Criticism of the government left and right and for adventurism, and for powerlessness, led to its reorganization.

              The confrontation between the Provisional Government and the people of Finland after the decision to dissolve the Sejm became serious. By September, the situation in Turkestan was heating up.
              1. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 10: 55
                +2
                Moreover, the bourgeois liberals themselves were politically inexperienced, inflexible, unable to solve the pressing problems of the revolution, first of all to conclude peace, to stop the warrior, destabilizing the whole situation in the country. The liberals did not take into account that the continuation of the war was in the hands of the Bolsheviks. The unsuccessful war created the most favorable conditions for the victory of the Bolsheviks. In the conditions of the war, the revolutionary masses rapidly radicalized, the influence of the Bolsheviks increased on them, and state power was weakening, democracy was turning into anarchy and ochlocracy.

                The Bolsheviks took advantage of all this. According to N. Berdyaev, Bolshevism turned out to be the least utopian and most realistic, “the most faithful to Russian traditions and Russian searches, but also to Russian methods of managing and dominating violence”
              2. Aleksander
                17 November 2016 12: 18
                +1
                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                Aleksander and what is not L. G. Kornilov March 7 personally arrested the Empress and the children of Nicholas II in Tsarskoe Selo.
                Once again I urge you to read your Bible "A short course in the history of VKPB and questions will disappear yes
                Kornilov, proposed by the Emperor himself for the post of commander of the Petrograd district, executed the order. At the same time, he replaced security guards with NOMAIN people for family safety.

                Quote: Uncle Murzik
                The indecision and weakness of the Provisional Government is superimposed on the ongoing degradation of the economy: the never-ending hyperinflation, the explosive growth of public debt, the formation of a “black market”, the failure of attempts to organize a surplus


                It was TEMPORARY PR-in-CSS, from him it was required to organize the CSS and all that they did.
                Hyperinflation is a match for kommikami increased in price in 47 000 times ,
                the surplus in the VP collected a quantity of bread, sufficient to avoid hunger and without atrocities.
                In Russia did not die of starvation during the WWN 780 000 people, as in Germany.

                It was Uchr Assembly and the chance to solve everything in the halls and offices, but the Bolshevik criminals transferred everything to the battlefield. where ALL citizens of Russia lost.
                .
                1. Uncle Murzik
                  Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 20
                  +2
                  The main feature of the historical development of Russia in the spring and autumn of 1917 was the growth of the national crisis. It manifested itself in the aggravation of the economic crisis, the lockouts of industrialists, the growth of the strike movement, pogroms in the countryside, unrest in the army, and the strengthening of national and regional separatism.

                  The economic situation of Russia in 1917 sharply worsened. The devastation that began in 1915 spread to all sectors and spheres of the national economy, acquired an all-Russian character, and disorganized the country's economic life. The gross output of the factory industry in 1917 decreased by 36,4% compared to 1916. From March 1 to October 1, 1917, 799 enterprises were closed: factories, plants, mines, mines. Many of them were closed by industrialists to fight workers. Capital used lockouts for a political offensive on labor. Fuel hunger upset railway transport. By October 1917, railway traffic in the most important directions (Petrograd, Moscow) was almost paralyzed. Economic disruption manifested itself in the breakdown of economic ties between the city and the village. The supply of industrial products to the village almost stopped. The village boycotted the city.

                  Gross grain harvest in 1917 amounted to 3,5 billion pounds, compared to 3,6 in 1916 and 4 billion in the pre-war period. Active printing of paper money, which did not have a commodity cover, undermined the purchasing power of the ruble: before the February Revolution, it was 27 kopecks, before the October Revolution - 6-7 kopecks. The real wages of workers by October fell to 40-50% of the pre-war level
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 46
                    +1
                    where is this copy-paste? lol
            2. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 13
              +1
              here you are again fantasizing a little the processes of separation began under the interim government "The decision of the Provisional Government to go on the offensive at the front, as well as its compromise agreement with the Central Rada, which demanded broad autonomy for Ukraine, the deterioration of the economic situation caused a new political crisis. The crisis erupted on July 2 leaving the government of the cadets in protest against the concessions to the Ukrainian “separatists.” It became extremely acute on 3-4 July, when thousands of armed demonstrators of soldiers, sailors, workers took place in the capital to pressure the All-Russian Central Executive Committee to create a Soviet government. However, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee announced a demonstration " the Bolshevik conspiracy "and rejected the demands of the masses. The Commander-in-Chief of the Petrograd Military District ordered the cadets and Cossacks to disperse the demonstrators. For the same purpose, troops of 15-16 thousand people arrived from the Northern Front. The Commander of the Baltic Fleet was ordered to send warships to the capital, but from disobeying the order "
              1. Uncle Murzik
                Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 18
                +2
                August 28 and asked to declare Petrograd martial law on August 29. The former chief prosecutor of the Synod, V.N. Lvov, acting as a mediator between the head of government and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, transmitted to A.F. Kerensky the request of Kornilov as follows: declare Petrograd martial law, transfer all power to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and dismiss all ministers. In response, Kerensky refused further negotiations, and on the morning of August 27 sent a telegram to Headquarters instructing Kornilov to resign General A. S. Lukomsky and arrive in Petrograd. Kornilov disobeyed and broadcast a statement on the morning of August 28 in which he accused the Provisional Government of actions “in full accordance with the plans of the German General Staff”, called on all Russian people “to save the dying Motherland”, vowed that he would bring the people “by defeating enemy ”before the Constituent Assembly.

                When all this became known to the Provisional Government, it declared the general a rebel.
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 47
                  +1
                  where are these two from? bully
            3. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 45
              +1
              They just had to greatly reduce the number or completely destroy the Russians as a people, and Orthodoxy as a religion, so that the "world revolution" would triumph, in which this people was at the same time the primary expendable material.
              In order to do this, it was necessary to destroy the state as a mechanism of its autocratic self-organization,
              therefore, they staged such a parade of sovereignty.
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                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 18
                  +1
                  another rudeness from the "animal world", when there is nothing to answer the truth yes
  10. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 November 2016 18: 17
    +3
    The author, thank you very much for the interesting material. Let me remind you where I read that the prince of Oldenburg offered this idea to the emperor.
    In general, if you recall the history, Russia has even deeper attempts to fight for peace: at one time, Emperor Pavel proposed that the sovereigns in knightly tournaments resolve all contradictions. Of course this is a childhood dream, but the idea was good.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 21: 47
      +1
      something this tank biathlon reminds me of ... what
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 November 2016 18: 50
    +3
    Quote: Sagittarius2
    Quote: Aleksander
    These are the laws by which countries coexist in the world, as a person lives in his country according to its laws.


    Yes, there are no "international laws", but there is always one law - who is stronger, that is right, so there is no need to hang dear.

    Then Viva the law of the jungle? This is the art of diplomacy in order to coexist in a civilized framework.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 18: 09
      +1
      and what is not the law of the jungle in the world? belay remember Yugoslavia, Iraq! hi
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 46
        +1
        so you did it too, just "repainted" ....
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 16 November 2016 21: 53
    +4
    Stereotypes are a terrible thing: for more than half a century, our brains have compiled that tsarism is a complete suck, and the last Emperor was a complete "asshole-freak". And what is it like for people brought up on ideological myths to find out that: in our history there were brave officers, and not a herd of lords, that people could not imagine life without a church and a monarch. (Blank hated them all his life.) And the last Russian emperor Nikolai Alexandrovich was a decent man.
    At one time, comrades: Leiba Bronstein, Blank and others decided that the story should be .... sent. Fortunately, after them came Comrade Stalin, who knew and LOVED HISTORY. Thanks to him, we learned that we were: Sergius of Radon5zhsky, Aleksanr Nevsky, Minin and Pozharsky.
    It so happened that our last Sovereign was a decent man, but weakly characteristic. I am convinced that all the misfortunes that befell us as strange as it comes from his decency and delicacy: he loved his wife and mother, and these women, for the sake of their enmity (very rarely mother-in-law and daughter-in-law of each other's lb), advised Nikolai the opposite things, and he lacked the will pull the women.
    Uncle Murzik, you're right: Alexander 3 was taller than his son. Nicky did not know how to choose assistants, and women had the highest spit on the mind. Murzik You in vain began to insult your opponent, and Alexander did not hold back.
    Understand that you can’t rewrite history (at least hotz)
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 16 November 2016 22: 26
      +1
      we can say that because of this, everything was just a weak link ... problems come from those who make them.
      It was decided to bring down Tsarist Russia, in the sense of a concrete plan of how to bring down, on the eve of the Hungarian uprising, according to the plan, everything went on the eve of the Crimean War.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 16 November 2016 22: 31
        +1
        Murzik "burst" after a long commentary with cynical, bloodthirsty, derogatory quotes about the Russian people of their leader
    2. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 09: 03
      +1
      Mr. Monarchist, unlike the empty Simpsonian, Alexander, Romanov, I’m throwing links and citing statistics, not communist, but world! I’m not a fan of Ulyanov or as you call him Blank, but not a fan of Nicholas II who was 90% German, throw them to you patrimonial? hionce again It is a pity that this mediocrity was at the head of the state. We’ve been dissecting the problems of one idiot for a hundred years.
      The thesis of the goodness of a weak king with a strong team breaks off cruel reality. Just the history of Russia suggests that either the team was weak, or that they worked poorly. Since the result of the reign of Nicholas2-the destruction of the country.
      I really do not really understand these snot around the personality of the king. The king is valued not for how he dressed his son in a sailor's hat or how he sawed firewood, but for how he ruled the country. That's exactly the man who ruled the country is disgusting
      1. Aleksander
        17 November 2016 15: 16
        0
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        I really do not really understand these snot around the personality of the king. The king is valued not for how he dressed his son in a sailor's hat or how he sawed firewood, but for how he ruled the country. That's exactly the man who ruled the country is disgusting


        The article was that Russia was the country that for the first time gathered ALL countries of the world and proposed common rules for allwas a revolution in relations between countries. And it was Nicholas II who initiated it. And it is worthy of the highest rating.

        The Emperor was good and bad: good, yes, for one simple reason: with him the population of Russia grew by 50% for incomplete 20 years ( According to statistics from the end of 1916, 186 million lived in Russia, that is, an increase of 60 million. P. Kovalevsky "Russia at the beginning of the XX century". - Moscow, 1990, No. 11, p. 164.)! TSB-181 mln BEFORE PRC

        What about when the Soviets for the same almost (even large) 22 of the year? Total increased by...... 17% (from 140mln in 1917 to the deceitful 170 million in 1939) By the end of the same reign of the comms, the Russian people had already died out.

        And this is despite the fact that population density in 1900 was in Russia 9 persons / sq. 2 (today 8,5) (in 1900 in Belgium 280 h / km2, Germany 180ch / km2) - do not want (others grew)!

        Rejoice, yes!

        Who will settle the Russian land, eh?
        1. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 01
          +1
          Aleksander what rules? Which no one does not comply with, and even more so they use against Russia! I found something to be proud of! laughingyou write about the false 170 million, and then refer to BES, you at least be consistent! otherwise you become like Simpsonian with children's brains! wassat
          1. Aleksander
            17 November 2016 19: 20
            0
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            Aleksander what are the rules? Who do not who do not comply, and even more so use against Russia!

            STALIN, too, advanced the same rules, insisted on them, and used them like the WHOLE USSR. Do not agree and take off ?! belay
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            You write about the false 170 million, and immediately refer to the BES, you at least be consistent!

            For you it is NOT false, therefore I bring: now there is no dissonance ?: yes
        2. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 29
          +1
          good ampirator !!! Africa also has a big population growth! laughing "Every year the Collegium of the Life Chancellery prepared a report for the tsar entitled:" A complete report on the state of affairs in the Russian Empire. "

          On the sheet of the report for 1912 against the words: “Almost every tenth peasant child from among those examined has various signs of mental disability. But this failure is not only natural. A significant proportion of it stems from the fact that parents engaged in labor do not have the time to at least somehow develop it, mentally and motorly, according to age. And even it’s enough to talk to him and encourage him with affection so that the child learns to talk, walk and so on in due time. "- Nicholas II wrote with his own hand:" It does not matter. "

          The same note is against the lines "the average life expectancy of the population of Russia is 30,8 years."

          But in No. 10 of the "Russian Weekly" for 1903 we read: "Up to two hundred thousand soldiers of the regular army, as well as all available local Cossack and gendarme forces, were sent to suppress the revolt of the peasants and workers of the Poltava and Kharkov provinces." It is enough to read the classics of Russian literature of Tolstoy, Chekhov, Nekrasov, how the Russian people lived!
          1. Aleksander
            17 November 2016 19: 32
            +1
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            "Annually Collegium Life chancellery prepared for the tsar a report entitled: "A complete report on the state of affairs in the Russian Empire."

            I note that retyping someone else's article (even delusional) -it is necessary to give a LINK. yes

            This is old, long time ago ... um, used lol bullshitdecaying already. We must follow the trend!
            NO so-called "office fool laughing NEVER existed in Russia. Aren't you ashamed to be an obedient puppet in the hands of illiterate, unprincipled agitators, a la comrade. Kr-i? No.

            Learn the HISTORY of our Motherland, my friend, not by stupid magazines from the "Bolshevik Truth", where this bullshit in 1920 g, and by the PERSONAL SOURCES yes
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 48
              +1
              What for? it’s better for him to copy-paste the bend, and let everyone pick up refutations against her by hand ...
            2. murriou
              murriou 18 November 2016 09: 42
              0
              Well, you give us your first sources - links to them, accurate quotes from them ... Where is all this?
              Or do you think your fantasies are also FIRST SOURCES? laughing otherwise you don’t like to refer to anything ... lol
              1. Aleksander
                18 November 2016 16: 04
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                Quote: murriou
                Well, you give us your first sources - links to them, accurate quotes from them ... Where is all this?

                What "sources? That in Russia there was no life office? belay fool

                What else to give? That the Moon is not the Earth?

                This nonsense is already beyond ....
                1. murriou
                  murriou 18 November 2016 19: 33
                  +2
                  No, this is your nonsense beyond, and your arrogance too.

                  Where are your "primary sources" for nonsense about almost a million who died of hunger in Germany during WWI?

                  Where are the "primary sources" of your nonsense about tens of millions of people who died of hunger in the USSR?

                  Where are the primary sources about your other delirium, about which you are asked questions every time, and each time you refuse to answer?
                  1. Aleksander
                    18 November 2016 21: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: murriou
                    No, this is your delirium beyond the bounds, and your insolence - too. Where are your "primary sources" for the nonsense about almost a million who died of hunger in Germany during WWI? Where are the "primary sources" of your nonsense about tens of millions of people who died of hunger in the USSR? about your other nonsense, about which every time you are asked questions, and every time you refuse to answer?


                    Calmer, calmer, comrade. Ignorant, "drink bromine"! lol

                    Require a doorman will.

                    Especially references to the absence of a life office. Or you do not look at that ask for a link? So LOOK.

                    What are the disease issues? Do you really think your bullshit is so precious to me that I track it? fool You have a very disturbing narcissism of some kind fool .

                    About millions of corpses from starvation in the Soviet Union is not on the topic-flood, disease? -If interesting, read more, for example, the resolution of the State Duma.

                    I am your LIKBAZ not doing
                    "She herself!" lol
            3. Uncle Murzik
              Uncle Murzik 19 November 2016 01: 41
              +1
              eat with a bun! Hunger in Russia with the Tsar | QUESTION
              voprosik.net ›golod-v-rossii-pri-care / well, give the link" master "lol apparently you have no magnets laughing
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 52
                +1
                he himself then went to look for them on it?
        3. Uncle Murzik
          Uncle Murzik 17 November 2016 16: 46
          +2
          "Statistical Yearbook of Russia. 1914", the organization of medical care in Russia in 1912: the number of hospitals - 8.110, the number of beds - 219.978. The patients were kept - 3.311.687 people. The question is: how many people are there per bed in a year? I remember the classic: "how flies recover." lolIn conclusion of the white myth of prosperous Russia, I will quote the words of the monarchist I. Solonevich
          “Thus, the old emigrant songs about Russia as a country in which rivers flowed from champagne on the banks of caviar, are artificially crafted fakes: yes, there were champagne and caviar, but for less than one percent of the country's population. The bulk of this population lived at a beggarly level. ” (I. Solonevich "People's Monarchy", M., 2003,)
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 53
            +1
            But nothing that Solonevich was a monarchist? and wrote that the whites were not for the Tsar but for the sequential meeting?
            your left statistics was not from him, maybe in Russia everything was good with eating rye and oats, especially with hygiene, and therefore was ill a little?
            rickets was in Germany ...
            he wrote about it! but you pulled out of the text ...
        4. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 17 November 2016 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          What, then, with the Soviets, for the same practically (large even) 22 years? In total, it grew by ...... 17% (from 140 million in 1917 to the false 170 million in 1939) By the end of the reign of the Communs, the Russian people were already dying.

          Dying? Ah ... well, yours was cared for, red and kolchaks, seeds and Denikins ... then Hitlers ... now all sorts of gutted with Obama, so keep quiet, Russophobia ...
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 17 November 2016 23: 50
            +1
            "vegetarian", you like your Trotsky with the blank, who were in this "ahead of everyone" completely forgotten ...
    3. murriou
      murriou 18 November 2016 05: 37
      +1
      Quote: Monarchist
      the people could not imagine life without a church and a monarch.

      Sure sure. That's just for the monarch in February 1917. no one intervened in a word, and when the compulsory attendance of prayers was canceled in the army, immediately 70% of the soldiers stopped going to them laughing

      Quote: Monarchist
      the last Russian emperor Nikolai Alexandrovich was a decent man.

      He was a worthless ruler of the country, and his personal, as it were, decency and coons with children for the country did not matter.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 24
        +1
        Well, maybe they also have an accent of priests-gapons, how many now do not like the speaker’s accent?
        What has happened to his children and his wife?
        He could do nothing at all, like Hirohito or the Queen of England - it's not your "cat's business", Uncle Sharik (s), what he did and what he didn't.
  13. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 02: 36
    +1
    Quote: Simpsonian
    only Great Britain and Germany were ahead (after unification)

    Oh, Simpson also discovered the unification of England with Germany in our history! laughing I always believed in his talent! good
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 26
      +1
      and some Garibaldian gave you another plus, probably it was "Murzik uncle" after he logged in ...
  14. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 02: 43
    +1
    In real history, the real price of all these declarations is predictably below zero.

    In WWI, the provisions of this convention were violated by anyone who could, including Russia itself was also preparing and trying to use chemical weapons - it did not do this just because of its frail chem. industry and the lack of competent people for the competent use of high-tech weapons, and not at all from humanism.

    The reputation of the Russian empire as a once great power after the disgraceful failure of the Russian-Japanese war and the numerous failures of Russian foreign policy, including with the Balkan Wars, in 20 c. fell below the baseboards.
    1. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      In real history, the real price of all these declarations was predictably lower than zero. In the PRC, the provisions of this convention were violated by anyone who could, incl. Russia itself was also preparing and trying to use chemical weapons - it did not do it just because of its weakness. industry and the lack of literate people for competent use of high-tech weapons, and not at all from humane


      How many categorical and cocky lol aplomb with zero knowledge.

      So you know: referring to the exact wording of the 1899, 1907 Conventions, Germany and France in 1914 used only non-lethal tear gas. That is, the convention worked. But the Germans are Germans.

      In October, when it became clear that Germany lacked any conventional projectiles, 1914 decided to violate the Conventions. From September 1914, Germany began to experiment (at the Physicochemical Institute and the Institute of the Kaiser Wilhelm) with kakodil oxide and with phosgene in order to use them militarily. In Berlin, the Military Gas School was opened.
      The end of 1914 of the year marked the beginning (It is delirious that everyone was ready initially) of research activities in Germany to search for combat agents.
      The first mass attack of the Germans in April 1915 caught the allies by surprise: the British were able to respond with a similar mass attack only on September 25 1915, and the British were able to produce mustard gas only at the very end of the war in September, 1918.

      The Russian Army did not deal with chemical weapons and did not prepare for its use: it began to deal with the problem only after the German attacks: thanks to the energetic actions of the Chemical Committee (1916), an extensive network of chemical plants (around 200) was established in Russia. By the fall of 1916, the army’s requirements for chemical 76-mm shells were fully met: the army received 15000 shells every month,
      Quote: murriou
      The reputation of the Russian empire as a once great power after the disgraceful failure of the Russian-Japanese war and the numerous failures of Russian foreign policy, including with the Balkan Wars, in 20 c. fell below the baseboards.


      fool lol
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  15. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 02: 48
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Sorry, but who attacked whom? RI to Japan?

    Japan, of course, attacked Russia.
    But Russia actually forced Japan to do this. The ruling circles of Japan did not want a war with a great power and were afraid of this war, but by 1904 they had no choice left - and this is also the "merit" of the foreign policy of Nikolashka and his entourage.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 06: 35
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      But Russia, in fact, forced Japan to do so.

      Is it Russia, or those who created it?
      1. murriou
        murriou 18 November 2016 07: 33
        0
        "created it" - who is this? Russia, Japan?
        Many "Russian patriots" are surprisingly poor at the Russian literary language lol
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 21
          +1
          Quote: murriou
          "created it" - who is this? Russia, Japan?

          Japan as one of the powerful powers.
          There is such a thing as a context, but many "Russian patriots" are surprisingly poor at reading Russian literary language.
          1. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            There is such a thing as context

            There is such a thing as the ambiguity of possible interpretations wink

            There is such a thing as the non-existence of telepathy, and there is the non-existence of the obligation of your interlocutors to guess the meaning hidden behind your tongue-tied tongue. tongue

            Quote: Dart2027
            many "Russian patriots" are surprisingly poor at the Russian literary language.

            I am glad of your self-criticism. It gives hope for the correction of at least this part of your problems in the future. lol
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 18 November 2016 21: 31
              +1
              Quote: murriou
              I am glad of your self-criticism. It gives hope for the correction of at least this part of your problems in the future.

              Which is that I am trying to teach you the mind.
    2. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 22
      0
      Quote: murriou
      But Russia actually forced Japan to do this. The ruling circles of Japan did not want a war with a great power and were afraid of this war, but by 1904 they had no choice left - and this is also the "merit" of the foreign policy of Nikolashka and his entourage.


      Complete nonsense - read something about the Anglo-Japanese Union 1902 g, lending Japan to the whole West, arming them with it and how the whole west pushed the yapps to Russia
      And the West didn’t exactly choose the yappam: only forward, to Russia
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 19 November 2016 01: 55
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        Minister Kurino, the special envoy of Japan in St. Petersburg, personally addressed Foreign Minister VN Lamsdorf with a proposal to quickly divide the spheres of influence of the two powers in the Far East. A simple, reasonable, advantageous for both states principle: Manchuria - to Russia, and Korea - to Japan, - Minister Kurino was personally voiced by Minister Lamsdorf four times! World diplomatic practice knows a little of such examples.
        It is important to note that the compromise proposed by Russia was not easy for the Japanese government. In Japan, the influence of the militaristic circles of the army and navy sharply increased!
        One of these few was Foreign Minister V. N. Lamsdorf, an exceptionally competent diplomat from the Eastsee Germans. On a Japanese note dated August 12, 1903, once again offering the Russians a realistic division of spheres of influence in the Far East, Lamsdorf wrote: "Mutual understanding between our countries is not only desirable, but the best policy." It is possible that it was precisely because of this resolution that VN Lamsdorf was soon barred from any participation in peace negotiations with Japan by the decision of Nicholas II. "Well, as always, everyone is to blame except NIKOLASHKA! lol
  16. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 06
    0
    Quote: Aleksander
    But he only continued the policy of Russia

    Well, you could say that.
    But the difference is that the Soviet Socialist Republic possessed real power and real authority, and tsarist Russia lost its power by the 20th century and completely squandered the authority accumulated during the Napoleonic wars.
    1. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      and Tsarist Russia had lost its power to the 20 century and had completely squandered the authority accumulated during the Napoleonic wars.


      Only in dilapidated com headsyes
  17. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 18
    +1
    As always, Alexander has sheer blah blah blah golepie. laughing
    Quote: Aleksander
    war was condemned as a way to resolve disputes

    laughing
    And what, after this war stopped? Or at least become less common? lol

    Quite the contrary. Immediately it started: several great power interventions in China, Japanese-Chinese, Anglo-Boer, Spanish-American, Russian-Japanese, Italian-Turkish (Libyan), two Balkans ...
    And what are the declarations signed without the slightest desire to implement them? what
    1. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 30
      0
      Quote: murriou
      And what, after this war ended? Or even become less? Just the opposite. Immediately it started: several interventions of the great powers to China, Japanese-Chinese, Anglo-Boer, Hispanic-American, Russian-Japanese, Italian-Turkish (Libyan), two Balkan ... And what are the declarations signed without the slightest desire to carry them out


      So it is possible to walk along the street with a cudgel and with it to carry out relationships with other people.
      .
      But, for some reason, the overwhelming majority seeks to live by the established rules.

      And between states. But the world is imperfect, the story is not over and it is developing, the stages of obvious progress are visible:
      Convention, the League of Nations, UN-progress is evident ..
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 19 November 2016 02: 01
        +1
        dullness rolls over! where is the progress and in what, only in the excited brain of the Moldovan expert Aleksander? look back on the rout of Yugoslavia in Iraq! two world wars! laughing
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 55
          +1
          if only it did not go off scale, then one could ask Google for example "a list of UN peacekeeping operations"
  18. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 19
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    So the idea of ​​stopping the arms race in your opinion is not considered positive?

    The idea is considered.
    Hypocrisy and failure to fulfill an idea completely discounted it.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 06: 38
      +2
      Quote: murriou
      Hypocrisy and failure to fulfill an idea completely discounted it.

      You probably do not know, but in the end the proposal of Nicholas II was rejected by the then world community and therefore remained an idea, not a treaty.
      1. murriou
        murriou 18 November 2016 07: 37
        +1
        Sentences like "for all good and against all bad" are always fine in theory, but practically inapplicable.

        And it is foolish to conclude from this that the authors of such proposals are geniuses, and the rest of the world is terrible.
        Usually the opposite: ill-conceived and impossible proposals are not made at all by geniuses, and even hardly any smart people lol
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 23
          +1
          Quote: murriou
          Suggestions in the spirit of "for all good and against all bad" are always theoretically fine, but practically inapplicable

          Yes, and communism as well.
          Quote: murriou
          that the authors of such proposals are geniuses, and the rest of the world is terrible

          Not geniuses. But this does not really fit into the traditional image of Nicholas II as a maniac-killer-cannibal.
          1. murriou
            murriou 18 November 2016 19: 41
            +2
            Personally, I never considered him a cannibal. He is too insignificant for the villain.

            There was such a caricature in pre-revolutionary times: the tsar-bell with the inscription "does not ring", the tsar-cannon with the inscription "does not fire" and the tsar-rag, nikolashka with the inscription "does not rule".

            It would be possible to add there the "tsar-tank", which is also not capable of anything worthwhile. But trinity is a good number laughing
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 18 November 2016 21: 32
              +1
              Quote: murriou
              the tsar-bell with the inscription "does not ring", the tsar-cannon with the inscription "does not fire" and the tsar-rag, nikolashka with the inscription "does not rule"

              And who rules?
    2. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 38
      0
      Quote: murriou
      failure to fulfill an idea - completely devalued it.

      How can the fulfillment-non-fulfillment of an idea elevate it, what kind of stupid axioms?

      The largely implemented idea of ​​Nazism filled it with value because of its large-scale implementation? fool lol
  19. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 21
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Any argument you make

    You do not take your emotions and myths for arguments lol
    And you simply have no other arguments.
  20. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 22
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    for the Bolsheviks in my assortment, acre feces there is nothing.

    That's noticeable laughing But for non-Bolsheviks you have nothing better ...
  21. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 25
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    It was Nicholas II who was the first to try to do something in this direction.

    Nonsense. Already in Hellas there were very significant actions in this direction, and later did not stop.

    But for you, the bakers, who do not know and do not want to know world history, always only Russia is the birthplace of elephants laughing
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 06: 40
      +3
      Quote: murriou
      Nonsense. Already in Hellas there were very significant actions in this direction, and later did not stop.
      But for you, the bakers, who do not know and do not want to know world history, always only Russia is the birthplace of elephants

      But only for the then world community it was, to put it mildly, not relevant. But for you, the bakers, who do not know and do not want to know world history, always only the USSR is the birthplace of elephants.
  22. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 31
    +1
    Quote: Aleksander
    The immense and vigorous and ever-growing Russia of the beginning of the 20 century prevented ALL

    Oh oh oh. A country that not only buys all its most advanced weapons abroad, but cannot even provide itself with bearings, is not capable of being strong and independent.
    And for the rapid development of many other developing countries, Russia did not stand out.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 24 November 2016 01: 57
      +1
      Do you know how much the USSR bought abroad?
      At least Russia did not buy grain ... probably because there were no collective farms
  23. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 35
    +1
    Quote: Aleksander
    USSR thought otherwise.
    And he sought precisely the peaceful coexistence of states

    For the simple reason that the USSR had power, there was a developed industry, the ability to provide itself independently with everything necessary. Therefore, the words of the USSR had real power.

    And the words of Nikolashki remained an empty sound, just like yours.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 06: 40
      0
      Quote: murriou
      Therefore, the words of the USSR had real power.

      And where is he now?
      1. murriou
        murriou 18 November 2016 07: 40
        +1
        In the same place as the Roman Empire, for example. In history.
        Now begin to prove that the Roman Empire was terrible, since it has not survived to this day laughing

        And remember that the Russian empire you extolled passed away much earlier than the USSR, and spent the last decades of its history much more shamefully. lol
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 28
          +2
          Quote: murriou
          And remember that the Russian empire you extolled passed away much earlier than the USSR, and spent the last decades of its history much more shamefully

          Given the fact that the USSR was created on its ruins, to assure that it disappeared before it is somewhat strange. Now, if we compare the duration of existence, the USSR lags several times behind. And by the way, the Roman Empire also lasted much longer.
          Says about the last decades, the fact that the USSR has banally surrendered its top, moreover, completely consciously, unlike RI.
          1. Aleksander
            18 November 2016 19: 23
            +1
            Quote: Dart2027
            Now if you compare duration of existence, then the USSR lags several times behind.

            In the thousand-year history of Russia USSR-MIG.
    2. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 10: 48
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      And the words of Nikolashki remained an empty sound, just like yours.


      In order for you to be condemned and coinciding with Article 1 of the UN Charter and Article of the Conventions (in force, yes):

      words fixed forever- approved by the Emperor.

      The sounds you make are usually trying to get away, yes lol
      1. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 19 November 2016 02: 04
        0
        Well, yes, they are constantly wiping about the UN as well as wiping about the NICOLAS! laughing
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 32
          +1
          only in your sick imagination ... what about the articles of the Charter and Conventions?
  24. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 03: 57
    +1
    Quote: Urfin
    Serbs could not be saved by war.

    Moreover: the first thing the Russian army did not rush towards Serbia, but in East Prussia, although Germany did not fight Serbia at all.

    And other pompous statements have the same price, less than a penny.

    During the Balkan Wars, the "great" Russia sat on the sidelines while the Orthodox Greeks and Balkan Slav brothers smashed Turkey and were close to achieving the goals that the tsarist propaganda proclaimed as top priorities for Russia.
    Allegedly from peacefulness, yeah. But in 1914, about peace was completely forgotten.

    In general, everything is as always: they try to pass off the deep impotence of tsarist Russia as moral moral chastity, and attempts to twitch powerlessly - as a powerful temperament.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 23 November 2016 23: 44
      +1
      Trotskyist weeping over Kaiser Germany has already begun ... which declared war on Russia, and was already close to taking Paris in France
      it is not known to horses in polto that Serbia does not border Russia?
  25. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 04: 05
    +1
    Quote: Simpsonian
    after the quote "Bug_Bug" it comes as no surprise.

    What is surprising is that, ahem ... * naive and stupid people *who believe such "quotes" without the slightest attempt to verify them.
    Because the check gives out their complete bullshit.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 23 November 2016 23: 46
      +1
      yeah, yes ... and Ilyich was a law-abiding citizen and did not create a revolutionary situation in wartime ... or just jokingly wrote about this?
  26. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 04: 09
    +1
    Quote: KaPToC
    he pulled up already with his nicholas.

    No, guys, Nikolashka - he is yours, it’s you who are trying to praise him in every possible way.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 23 November 2016 23: 49
      +1
      no, it's just some dressing up under the cats clinically cuddle everything Russian ...
  27. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 04: 13
    +1
    Quote: Simpsonian
    what is the name of the admiral so the squadron will float

    English squadrons in the 18-20 century usually showed themselves well with any admiral surname laughing
    And pants always interfere with a bad dancer, or something else ... lol the admiral’s surname, if only if better excuses were not found. laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 36
      +1
      probably because any English admiral of such dancers with an enema in the hold would just hang ...
      they learned everything else from the Ushakov squadron in the Mediterranean yes
  28. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 04: 15
    +1
    Quote: KaPToC
    call him nikolay2

    It is possible this way: His Imperial Insignificance Nicholas II? laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 23 November 2016 23: 50
      +1
      probably not more insignificant than you? bully
  29. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 04: 25
    +1
    Quote: Simpsonian
    in which in 1940 there were tank battles on the scale of the Battle of Kursk

    The next historical discoveries of Simpson laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 38
      +1
      Another painful fixation on the same account, instead of googling Wikipedia ...
  30. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 07: 51
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    But for you, the bakers, who do not know world history and do not want to know,

    OU! The baker who denounces the bakers! belay good

    A wonderful illustration for a textbook of psychiatry. Chapter - schizophrenia, section - split personality, topic - internal conflicts of subpersonalities of the same patient laughing
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: murriou
      A wonderful illustration for a textbook of psychiatry. Chapter - schizophrenia, section - split personality, topic - internal conflicts of subpersonalities of the same patient

      If this is your favorite word, then what else should you call Mr. Khrustobunik? And the fact that you are not able to come up with anything smarter than a quote from a pop song is definitely not my problem.
  31. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 09: 40
    0
    Simpsonian, he didn’t write about her, he did about her laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 40
      +1
      also in the masonic revolutionary cell how did you belong?
  32. Aleksander
    18 November 2016 10: 32
    0
    Quote: murriou
    Quote: Aleksander
    The immense and vigorous and ever-growing Russia of the beginning of the 20 century prevented ALL

    Oh oh oh. A country that not only buys all its most advanced weapons abroad, but cannot even provide itself with bearings, is not capable of being strong and independent.
    And for the rapid development of many other developing countries, Russia did not stand out.


    It stood out the highest growth rate of industrial production.
  33. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 21: 14
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    http://bash-m-ak.livejournal.com/31528.html

    Thank you, you have once again shown your inability to read even your own links lol

    0. “Alexander” has once again demonstrated its inability to confirm with authoritative sources its, to put it mildly, traditionally too loud statements.
    The fact that you did it FOR him speaks in your favor. Respect.
    But to you, not to him.

    1. Even if you believe in the fidelity of these figures, they do not noticeably reach the magnitude manicously repeated by Alexander.

    2. Including, for 1918 the largest number is given: up to 294 thousand, on average up to 25 thousand per month, i.e. about 50 thousand died after the end of WWI and must be subtracted from the final result, which thus turns out to be even further from the statements of "Alexander".
    "Alexander", thus, pretty much lies, in your opinion laughing source.

    3. I was not too lazy to get deeper.
    It also explains that this figure also includes those who died from the Spanish flu epidemic and other diseases, incl. typhus, which also raged in Russia.
    The author of your study believes that weakness from malnutrition was crucial for the outcome of the disease, and therefore all those who die from the disease fall in the same pile, which is why such fantastic numbers are obtained.
    As you understand, I hope this point of view is undeniable wink
    These figures were announced back in 1918 by the German Health Council, but in 1928 a recount was carried out in the work of Bumm, Franz, ed., Deutschlands Gesundheitsverhältnisse unter dem Einfluss des Weltkrieges, Stuttgart, Berlin [etc.] Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt; New Haven, Yale University Press, 1928 Pages 22 to 61 and the number of deaths due to food problems fell to 424. Another 000 died from a Spanish woman in 209.

    Thus, "Alexander" lied almost twice, which is what needs to be proved.

    = * = for military operations see below
    1. Aleksander
      18 November 2016 22: 20
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      0. “Alexander” has once again demonstrated its inability to confirm with authoritative sources its, to put it mildly, traditionally too loud statements.


      Sources you are given more 10 hours ago, and German and Russian, with confirmation of the number 763 thousand people, but you are blind when you poke.

      The initial official statement, to which I refer, was made immediately after the war. The recalculations made as many as 10 years ago on the attribution of part of the deaths to Spaniard are different, from 180 to 240 thousand and there are different interpretations, read about it ...

      Thus, the conclusion is simple: the figure given is correct - German (understated), and you did not know anything at all about it, nor about any: - neither about 763, nor about 583 thousand + 180, ignoramus.
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 22: 29
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      2. Including, for 1918 the largest number is given: up to 294 thousand, on average up to 25 thousand per month, i.e. about 50 thousand died after the end of the WWII and should be subtracted from the final result,

      Nevertheless, the famine was contrary to your statements about delirium, and the order of numbers even after deducting these 50000 will be quite comparable.
      Quote: murriou
      It also explains that those who died from the epidemic are also dumped in this figure.

      If you are about a link
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Germany
      # cite_ref-15
      Here it is said about several points of view. 424000 were counted by the Kornegi Foundation ... From the USA. How do they think there is no need to explain?
      1. Aleksander
        18 November 2016 23: 42
        0
        Quote: Dart2027
        even minus these 50000

        And then what to deduct them? The data is given back in 1918g (i.e. December could not be counted) and precisely on war .

        Today's Germans consider 700 000 the dead from malnutrition and precisely in the war. Kriegsfronten.http: //www.spiegel.de/spiegelspecia
        l / a-296124-2.html

        Ours give 763 thousand - "Germany XX century"

        It is impossible to calculate exactly the same, of course, in principle, but the order of numbers is correct.
  34. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 21: 15
    +1
    = * =
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: murriou
    Even with Austria-Hungary, much weaker, the bill is not in Russia's favor.

    So it was not her troops that were almost completely defeated just on the eve of the February coup.

    Sure sure! laughing
    According to Russian and Entente newspapers, then Austria-Hungary was completely defeated during WWII completely at least 4-5 times, starting in 1914, i.e. more than once every year, laughing and during the Brusilovsky breakthrough, at least 2 million Germans were killed, i.e. more than twice as many Germans as there generally was, and almost an order of magnitude more than there were killed and wounded in total.
    For the period of the WWII, among the total losses of the wounded, on average, 4 times more than the killed, if someone is not in the know lol
    Well, in general, did you understand what the price of such statements is? laughing

    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: murriou
    Can you name the victories of RIA over Germany a lot?
    The Brusilovsky breakthrough, the Warsaw-Ivangorod operation - in either case, a significant part of the enemy troops were Germans.

    The Germans, of course, made up the bulk of the troops even in Austria-Hungary alone, especially in the combined forces, here you turned out to be even more right than you yourself suspected laughing

    Nevertheless, there was a very significant difference between Austrian Germans and German Germans, and especially between their troops, and the Germans were in a clear minority there even after the arrival of all German reinforcements in both of your operations.
    The troops of the Southwestern Front were eager for battle, being sure of success, since they were not to attack the Germans, but the Austrians. According to the officers, those units that at least once fought with the Germans were convinced of easy victories over the troops of the dual monarchy. Therefore, troops who wanted to beat the Austrians always had faith in the success of the offensive

    So it doesn’t.

    Quote: Dart2027
    The August operation and the Vilna operation - repelled the German attack.

    Sure sure. Beat off.
    During the Second August Operation of 1915 the main forces of the 10th Army of the RIA managed to escape from the Germans to the Kovno-Osovets line at the cost of almost the complete death of the 20th Army Corps (40 thousand people), which covered their retreat.

    During the Vilna operation, the German breakthrough was successfully stopped more successfully than in the previous case, but even there the Russian troops in defense managed to lose more than the German in the offensive.
    So it’s never like a victory or a reason for pride.

    Quote: Dart2027
    In 2015, the main blow of Germany was aimed precisely against RI

    laughing
    But you were mistaken not only with a date for a century, see below.
    = * =
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 22: 15
      +2
      Quote: murriou
      then Austria-Hungary was completely defeated during WWI at least 4-5 times, starting in 1914

      In 1916, just after which the February revolution took place.
      Quote: murriou
      during the Brusilovsky breakthrough was killed

      And where did I write about these millions?
      Quote: murriou
      However - between Austrian Germans and German Germans

      Quote: Dart2027
      in both cases, a significant part of the enemy troops were Germans.

      If you do not understand, then by Germans I mean precisely those from Germany.
      Quote: murriou
      During the Second August Operation

      This is when 155 thousand against 260 German?
      Quote: murriou
      managed to lose more than the German in the offensive

      How much is this?
  35. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 21: 17
    +1
    = * =
    Quote: Dart2027
    (this is to the question of the "auxiliary" front)

    Even at this time, the Eastern Front did not become the main one for the Germans, contrary to the crunchy myths.
    From spring to autumn 1915 the number of German divisions on the eastern front was in the range of 53-65 divisions, Austrian 42-45, in the amount of 98-106.
    In the west, at the same time, they had stable 93 German divisions, in August-September 90, from October 101 and more - from among the best, while in the east a significant part of the German troops continued to be part of the landver.
    That is, in the west, the Germans stably held forces one and a half to two times more than in the east, and these were their best forces.

    Along the way, we note once again that the number of divisions was equal for us in the worst case, and that was only one month - but even so the significant numerical superiority of the Russian army remained, because the German division had 12 battalions and a strength of less than 17 thousand, the Russian - 16 battalions and more than 21 thousand

    Quote: Dart2027
    and despite this they could not win.

    Well, of course, is it worth noting such a trifle as the Great retreat of the Russian army before the enemy, much smaller in number, with large losses for the Russian side, for about a year laughing
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 November 2016 22: 01
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      Well, of course, is it worth noting such a trifle as the Great Retreat of the Russian army

      Which was not even called great, but nevertheless did not lead to the defeat of the Russian army or to the losses that threatened the possibility of the continuation of hostilities. By the way, the total losses of Germany were, according to various estimates, from 450 to 650 thousand killed, wounded and captured, so they did not succeed in an easy walk, and it hardly fits into the figures you quoted.
      Quote: murriou
      Even at this time, the Eastern Front did not become the main one for the Germans, contrary to the crunchy myths.

      Read the analysis of Soviet myths.
      http://sputnikipogrom.com/history/23094/ww1-losse
      s / #. WC9OsMm9lv0
  36. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: Aleksander
    He ran into the gate ...

    Do not judge everyone by yourself lol
    Once again, you yourself were unable to confirm your fantastic numbers yourself. crying

    Your ally, much more worthy of respect than you, has done this job for you. Its source and the figures given from there have been discussed by me in detail. Try to read and understand, although there is a "mnogabukaff" for people like you laughing
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      He stared at the gate ... Do not judge all by yourself

      No, my friend, you will not confuse with anyone, you are yes
      Quote: murriou
      Your fantastic numbers you yourself were once again unable to confirm yourself


      What is wrong with you? belay Have you forgotten how to read? All figures are given ..
      Quote: murriou
      Your ally, much more worthy of respect than you, did this work for you. Its source and the figures given from there have been discussed by me in detail. Try to read and understand, although there is for people like you "mnogabukaaff


      I am sincerely sorry for you, it seems that you are not pretending, but really brain-crunching, "crunches, but does not think":

      The numbers are given in 11,32 18,11. Although it is necessary to learn.

      I can offer a wet napkin. For scrapping
  37. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 21: 45
    +2
    Quote: Aleksander
    The Russian Army was NOT engaged in chemical weapons and was not preparing for its use

    You traditionally rave, passing off your ignorance as a highly intelligent and highly authoritative argument.

    In Russia, before WWI, there were experiments on the combat use of hydrocyanic acid and other strong poisons. Exclusively out of the inability and inappropriateness of the leaders of these experiments, it was not possible to achieve combat effectiveness, either in England or France, and THEREFORE the studies were stopped, and the prospect of the military use of chemical. weapons were deemed unrealistic.

    The Germans went further and more successfully precisely because they HAD a well-developed chemical industry, there were competent chemists in large (!) Quantities, and they COULD create much higher concentrations of OM even in not very favorable weather conditions.

    That is the whole difference between the "humane" Entente, incl. Russia, and the "cruel Teutons" laughing
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 09: 23
      0
      Quote: murriou
      You traditionally rave, presenting your ignorance as a highly intelligent and highly authoritative argument


      By typing such maxims constantly, you are thus asserting yourself, yes? Hurt in childhood? lol
      Quote: murriou
      Russia before WWI had experiments on the combat use of hydrocyanic acid and other strong poisons. Exceptionally because of the inability and inadequacy of the leaders of these experiments, it was not possible to achieve combat effectiveness in England and France either - and therefore the studies were stopped, and the prospect of combat use of chemical weapons. weapons was declared unreal


      Where were and precisely for the purpose of using as OV? .
      Who stopped in Russia, who recognized the unreal? You7 Narcissism is progressing with you, Or you have any experience in any laboratory-testing agents fool
      The issue of the production and use of chemical weapons was first raised by the Special Stewardship Commission on the March 4 1915 artillery unit. The proposal was rejected by the Supreme Commander for ethical reasons. However, the successful experience of the use of agents by German forces forced to reconsider this point of view. 2 June 1915, our top gene. N. N. Yanushkevich ordered the commencement of work on the creation of chemical ammunition and the supply of troops. 3 August was followed by an order to form at the State Agrarian University a special commission for the preparation of suffocating agents, chaired by the head of the Central Scientific and Technical Laboratory of the military department.

      One of the first in February 1916 was the production of hydrocyanic acid at Tomsk University by local scientists
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  38. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 22: 25
    +2
    Quote: Aleksander
    Of course, the most powerful and largest

    Once again, I expect from you evidence of your delirium about Russia as the most POWERFUL Entente power.
    And my heart feels that once again nothing reasonable from you, as always, I can’t wait lol
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 09: 07
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      Once again, I expect you to prove your nonsense about Russia as the most POWERFUL state of the Entente. And it feels my heart that I will not wait for anything reasonable from you, as always

      You stated the opposite.

      Once again, waiting for your evidence of your nonsense

      And my heart feels that once again nothing reasonable can come from you, lol
  39. Aleksander
    18 November 2016 22: 26
    0
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: murriou
    0. “Alexander” has once again demonstrated its inability to confirm with authoritative sources its, to put it mildly, traditionally too loud statements.
    .


    Sources you are given more 10 hours ago, and German and Russian, with confirmation of the number 763 thousand people, but you are blind when you poke.

    The initial official German statement on the 763 thousand, to which I refer, in a reasonable manner, was made immediately after the war. The recalculations made as much as 10 over the years for attributing part of the deaths to Spaniard are different, from 180 to 240 there are thousands and different interpretations, I read about this, there is also an opinion that we must add to 763 thousand

    Thus, the conclusion is simple: the figure given is correct - German (understated), and you did not know anything at all about it, nor about any: - nor about 763, nor about others ignorant
  40. murriou
    murriou 18 November 2016 22: 27
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    It was about the possibility of stopping the arms race, and not about the fact that we are supposedly disarming.

    From the side of the power, noticeably lagging behind in this very race, the proposals to stop it look clear as laughing
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      From the side of the power, noticeably lagging behind in this very race, the proposals to stop it look clear as

      Well, now it is clear why the USSR so passionately fought for the world of the 1930's world and to the end: it turned out to be deep .. um lol
      1. murriou
        murriou 19 November 2016 10: 47
        0
        You, as always, did not understand anything. lol

        Proposals to limit the arms race from the USSR were accepted by the West with enthusiasm - precisely because the USSR was able to maintain parity in the arms race, and even ahead of something, so that a limitless arms race did not bode well for NATO.

        And tsarist Russia was backward and lagged more and more, therefore the developed countries were not interested in looking at it.
        1. Aleksander
          19 November 2016 20: 05
          +1
          Quote: murriou
          You, as always, did not understand


          You, like 70 Commlet, live in a parallel fictional community fool
          Quote: murriou
          Proposals for limiting the arms race from the USSR were accepted by the West with delight - precisely because The USSR was able to keep parity in the arms race, and even in something ahead, so nothing good for NATO boundless arms race did not promise.

          The USSR was not able to hold anything-it pouted and burst, alas ... USSR completely lost in the arms race and economy and- fell apart. I wanted to slow down and rushed about with "restrictions" on weapons, but they didn’t let him get off the ground and the cars were ready. Neither brains, nor heads, the commics categorically WAS NOT. Alas. The USSR (greater Russia) is a pity.

          Quote: murriou
          And tsarist Russia was backward and lagged more and more, therefore the developed countries were not interested in looking at it.


          In 1899, Russia was a powerful, respected by all, military power of the world. All the more valuable was her initiative. In deference to her, to her first ever assembly, all of humanity gathered precisely on the birthday of its Emperor.

          Nobody knew the birthday of bald hoopoe.
          1. murriou
            murriou 19 November 2016 22: 51
            0
            Quote: Aleksander
            In 1899, Russia was a powerful, respected by all, military power of the world.

            It is you, crustaceans, who live in some kind of mythical reality of your chamber.

            In real history, earned in the Napoleonic wars, really glorious then, the reputation of the Russian army died when the military infirmity of Russia was revealed in the Crimean War.

            After that, Russia was not able to rehabilitate itself sufficiently. In 1877-78. the victory over Turkey was achieved with difficulty and with unreasonably great sacrifices, despite the fact that Russia itself had an overwhelming advantage over Turkey, plus a noticeable number of Allied forces.

            The rest, as it were, military actions of the Russian army from the 2nd half of the 19th century to the beginning of the 20th did not command respect at all: wars with the feudal micro-states of Central Asia, the jackals seizing Japanese booty in China by the "triple intervention" of 1895. with the support of the European powers, and immediately after the Hague Conference - in 1900. punitive operation to suppress the Chinese popular uprising against foreigners.
            And even later, as we remember, it was in 1904. a war with small and "underdeveloped" Japan, to which Russia shamefully lost dry, not scoring a single significant victory and suffering many major defeats.

            This completely destroyed the respect for the once significant Russian military power, which in the late 19th and early 20th centuries completely turned into weakness, and remained so until the end of the existence of the Russian Empire.
            1. Aleksander
              20 November 2016 10: 49
              +1
              Quote: murriou
              Quote: Aleksander
              In 1899, Russia was a powerful, respected by all, military power of the world.

              It is you, crustaceans, who live in some kind of mythical reality of your chamber.

              In real history, earned in the Napoleonic wars, really glorious then, the reputation of the Russian army died when the military infirmity of Russia was revealed in the Crimean War.

              After that, Russia was not able to rehabilitate itself sufficiently. In 1877-78. the victory over Turkey was achieved with difficulty and with unreasonably great sacrifices, despite the fact that Russia itself had an overwhelming advantage over Turkey, plus a noticeable number of Allied forces.

              The rest, as it were, military actions of the Russian army from the 2nd half of the 19th century to the beginning of the 20th did not command respect at all: wars with the feudal micro-states of Central Asia, the jackals seizing Japanese booty in China by the "triple intervention" of 1895. with the support of the European powers, and immediately after the Hague Conference - in 1900. punitive operation to suppress the Chinese popular uprising against foreigners.
              And even later, as we remember, it was in 1904. a war with small and "underdeveloped" Japan, to which Russia shamefully lost dry, not scoring a single significant victory and suffering many major defeats.

              This finally ruined respect for the once significant Russian military power, which at the end of 19 - the beginning of 20 century completely turned into weakness, and this remained until the end of the existence of the Russian Empire.


              Spare me of YOUR "conclusions" - not interesting.

              By the way, a certain Murrow swore yesterday that Japan did not want to fight the GREAT POWER. lol
              You really are either cowards or a cross. lol
              By the way this nonsense you have not proven.

              They merged again, as well as with the proof of the official development of chemical weapons, experiments in Russia prior to the PRC and the official refusal to develop chemical agents in Russia.
  41. murriou
    murriou 19 November 2016 10: 44
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    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: murriou
    Crisp fraud is based on the fact that tsarist Russia, not being a fully developed country, is compared in terms of development rate exclusively with developed countries, which by definition have low rates of development.

    Absolutely correctly and correctly compared.

    Aha-aha, azhnik Moldavian Alexander himself said that it was right! laughing What doubts can there be in this case! lol

    And it’s nothing so that tsarist Russia only at the expense of its territory and population almost (!) Caught up to France with a population of almost 5 times less in production volumes and less than a dozen times its territory.

    And nothing so that the "advanced" tsarist industry could not even provide itself with bearings, and practically ALL high-tech products, at best, copied according to foreign drawings / samples with a loss of quality, most often they stupidly imported.
    Nothing so that even not very advanced Italy supplied ready-made sets of cars for screwdriver assembly to "advanced" Russia, and not vice versa.

    Quote: Aleksander
    After some time, Russia at this pace was supposed to catch up with the remaining 3-4 countries

    For Moldovan Alexander, the big secret is that the other countries did not stand still.
    For * talented * personalities with * non-traditional * knowledge of history is the secret that the main successes of industrial development of tsarist Russia were achieved by the end of the 19th century, and after 1901. Russia's share in the global industrial production has already begun to REDUCE.

    Moreover: it was from these developed countries that Russia received the machines and technologies necessary for its development, so tsarist Russia would never have overtaken them - just as a car cannot overtake its locomotive.

    Moreover, Japan, which had a higher rate of development than Russia, was already on its heels and, according to the same "logic," should have overtaken it.
    Which, by the way, really happened - unlike the crunchy fantasies laughing After the WWII, Japan took the third place in the world in shipbuilding - tsarist Russia could not even dream of such a success.

    In tsarist Russia, it did not occur to anyone to order ships for export: tsarist shipyards built ships many times longer, many times more expensive - and much worse than English, German, American or French, even Italian ones were much inferior.

    Quote: Aleksander
    and the pace of its development, too, would probably decrease and align with them

    The Moldavian Alexander does not need to be taught economics; he by himself surpassed all the textbooks lol

    But for normal people, it is no secret that the most undeveloped countries, whose industry is not capable of overwhelming sales markets and is far from exhausting raw materials, have the highest growth rates. As they develop, they are stuck in these restrictions, which leads to a decrease in the pace of development.

    Tsarist Russia was at the stage of extensive growth in the 20th century, but no more. The quality level of its industrial development remained extremely low, the technological backwardness from developed countries was very deep and continued to grow.

    Quote: Aleksander
    What does the absolute value of the increase in production, when it comes to TEMPACH product growth?

    For Moldavian Alexander, the big-big secret is that real production and real consumption need real products, not growth rates. laughing - that is, it is precisely the absolute values ​​that have real meaning, and all these speculations about growth rates are secondary-tertiary.
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 21: 26
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      And nothing so that tsarist Russia, only due to the territory and population, almost (!) Caught up with France in terms of production, with a population of almost 5 times less, and ten times less territory. And nothing so that the "advanced" tsarist industry even bears itself could not provide, but practically ALL high-tech products at best copied according to foreign drawings / samples with a loss of quality, most often - stupidly imported. and not vice versa.


      Great, definitely! Developed, took the best and did their not the worst. France was largely overtaken by the best naval aviation and aircraft carrier fleet in the world, an excellent submarine fleet, the world's first underwater minzag, the first submarine cruise, the most complex and longest Russian bridges in the world, the first television show, etc. etc.
      It was difficult, but we went ahead and - notice without : millions of hunger-stricken, driven to the construction site of a comm-ma, destroyed peasantry and a torn country, deserted to their end.
      Quote: murriou
      For Moldavian Alexander, the big secret is that the rest of the countries did not stand either. . therefore, tsarist Russia would never overtake them — just as a wagon cannot overtake its locomotive.


      For your comic brains, the "Turtle-Achilles" paradox is unquestionable when:
      Swift Achilles will never catch up with a leisurely turtle if the turtle is in front of Achilles at the beginning of the movement.

      Achilles runs ten times faster than a turtle, and is a thousand paces behind her. During the time that Achilles has run this distance, the tortoise will crawl a hundred steps in the same direction. When Achilles runs a hundred paces, the tortoise crawls ten more steps, and so on. The process will continue indefinitely. Achilles will never catch up with the tortoise.


      No, it will not catch up and overtake. lol In your. By commfool lol Poor your .. um .. "brain" lol
      And Taiwan with South Korea and China, too, the poor, did not know you yes . .
      Quote: murriou
      after 1901 Russia's share in the global industrial. production has already become REDUCED.

      Frank delirium:% 5% 1901, 5, 3% 1913. The Germans, the French, the Angles, fell by interest.
      What's wrong with you, Mula? belay
      Quote: murriou
      for normal people, it is no secret that the highest growth rates are among the most undeveloped countries,


      Thats undeveloped United States at the beginning of 20 century- jerked. Or Somalirvut today.lol
      Quote: murriou
      Tsarist Russia was in the 20 century at the stage of extensive growth, but no more. The quality level of its industrial development remained extremely low, technological backwardness from developed countries was very deep and continued to grow.


      Hack it up. please, on your commic nose: you are infinitely small and, accordingly, you have profound lol "axioms", "conclusions" (this one, for example) lol cost the same. You are the representative of LOST AND DISAPPEARABLE comms, well, what authority can you have, think for yourself? So save me from them.

      Facts are accepted, but here you are also zero. request
      Quote: murriou
      For Moldavian Alexander, the big-big secret is that real production and real consumption need real products, not growth rates.


      For production need -production? belay Russian people it I could not write !. No.

      "I don't recognize you in makeup" (C) lol

      And- I'm starting to sympathize with you ...

      PS
      Quote: murriou
      just absolute values ​​have real meaning, and all these speculations about growth rates are secondary-tertiary.


      It means that it has reached you, and there is nothing to object, except for the "real meaning" and "speculation". To the Turtle, friend-to the Turtle ... yes
  42. murriou
    murriou 19 November 2016 10: 49
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    Quote: Aleksander
    In the thousand-year history of Russia USSR-MIG.

    Let's say. But it was a moment of her highest glory.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 21 November 2016 01: 45
      +1
      still ahead how you would not want it
      1. Aleksander
        21 November 2016 21: 22
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        Quote: Simpsonian
        still ahead how you would not want it


        Yes of course! And until October, a great and glorious story.
        But not when, according to the State Duma of Russia Statement of 2008 of the year, 7 million citizens died of starvation ...

        Dear Simpsonian, thank you for the wonderful comments! hi
  43. murriou
    murriou 19 November 2016 11: 08
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    Quote: Aleksander
    Sources are given to you 10 hours ago

    1. Yes. And then I was dismantled.
    0. Yes. And they are not given by you, but by your much more intelligent ally.
    You, as always, were unable to substantiate your statements yourself laughing

    Quote: Aleksander
    with the confirmation of the number of 763 thousand people, but you are blind when they poke you.

    No, it's you who are blind. Even when you are poked * face * into your mistakes.
    I will not deny myself this pleasure this time lol
    1. You used to lie about 780 thousand, and even about 780 000 thousand laughing - now call a completely different number lol
    2. In this figure, even if it is taken for truth, the data is for the whole of 1918, and you talked about death during the WWII. Taking the monthly average for 1918. figure (although in fact, by the end of 1918, mortality increased sharply), we see that during the WWII, even according to these data, there were no more than 715 thousand deaths from starvation, which is even further from your nonsense.
    3. Death from diseases, which make up about a third of it, are cast in the same figure.

    Quote: Aleksander
    The INITIAL official German statement of 763 thousand, to which I refer, is justified and was made immediately after the war.

    You didn’t even master the read link of your ally. laughing I sympathize crying
    Read it again and find out, finally, who is the author of this "official German statement", you are ours lol

    Quote: Aleksander
    Recalculations made as early as 10 years to classify part of the deaths as Spanish are different, from 180 to 240 thousand and there are different interpretations

    That is, from 713 thousand it is necessary to subtract from 180 thousand. up to 240 thousand, about 500 thousand remain, - and your famous "780 000 thousand" do not stretch well, not at all.

    But you, of course, cannot admit it - and you naively think that no one except you can notice it. lol
    Thanks for the next delivered fun, Alexander! Funny you laughing

    Quote: Aleksander
    the figure is given true-German (understated)

    Is it true or understated? lol
    And how do you, besides your Great Authority, intend to challenge those figures that you yourself just relied on? laughing

    Quote: Aleksander
    you didn’t know anything about it at all, about anything: -nothing about 763, nor about others, ignorant

    * melancholy * Once again, I repeat to you the advice not to judge everyone on their own. Well, you yourself constantly fall for it laughing
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 22: 20
      +1
      .
      Quote: murriou
      1. Yes. And then I was dismantled. 0. Yes. And they are not given by you, but by your much more intelligent ally. You, as always, were unable to substantiate your statements independently.

      Your analysis? Who are interested in your nonsense?
      The links I gave in general pretended not to be noticed. lol Looks ridiculous.

      Quote: murriou
      No, you are blind. Even when you are poked * face * into your mistakes. I will not deny myself this pleasure this time around 1. You previously lied about 780 thousand, and even about 780 000 thousand - and now you call a completely different number 2. In this figure, even if it is taken for the truth, the data for the entire 1918 year, and you talked about death during the PRC. Taking the average for 1918g. figure (although in fact by the end of 1918, the death rate has increased dramatically), we find that during the time of the PRC, even according to this death rate from starvation, no more than 715 thousand, which is further away from your nonsense. 3. In this same figure, death is thrown from diseases, which in it make up about a third.

      What's wrong with you, Mula? What is nonsense? Nobody knows the exact number, even the Germans, called the number 780 instead of 763) from memory, and the order of numbers is exact.
      I have OWN the data and links which are presented THREE TIMES to a blind black grouse (see above)

      Quote: murriou
      That is, from 713 thousand it is necessary to subtract from 180 thousand. up to 240 thousand, about 500 thousand remain, - and your famous "780 000 thousand" do not stretch well, not at all.


      From 763, 000 thousand, and not 715, and perhaps not to take away, but to add, your knowledge (-50) does not cost a damn. The fact that part (150tys 200, 240) was thrown onto the Spaniard much after the war suggests that the terrible numbers of starvation deaths were hidden. I repeat, the exact figure is unknown. Today, the Germans are talking about 700.000 thousand victims of famine of WWI.
      Quote: murriou
      * melancholic * once again I repeat to you advice not to judge all by itself. You yourself are constantly on this palettes.


      You "dug" only yesterday (by your own admission), do you have sclerosis, insanity? And before that, for months they were silent, like a fish on ice. Thank you for the enlightenment. yes

      The figure is correct, I can also send you a sanitary napkin for wiping the face. yes
  44. murriou
    murriou 19 November 2016 11: 36
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    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: murriou
    Once again, I expect you to prove your nonsense about Russia as the most POWERFUL state of the Entente. And it feels my heart that I will not wait for anything reasonable from you, as always

    You stated the opposite.
    Once again, waiting for your evidence of your nonsense


    1. So, you cannot present your evidence at all. Well, who would be surprised laughing

    2. I have cited much evidence of the weakness of tsarist Russia before.
    But do you, as a Moldavian, have serious problems reading in Russian? Sorry crying and I can’t refuse to help the wretched.

    3. Tsarist Russia was largely dependent on the supply of high-tech products from developed countries.
    Those. she did not possess independence.

    4. To produce a significant portion of such products, Russia was unable at all.
    Even the bearings, and then had to import.
    The construction of quite good (according to the project) battle cruisers of the Izmail type and light cruisers of the Svetlana type was not completed not in a couple of years from the laying down to the beginning of WWI, nor for the rest of the existence of Tsarist Russia. "Advanced" Russia could not produce many of the components necessary for them.

    5. What was still produced in Russia lagged significantly behind its characteristics from similar products from developed countries.
    I can give VERY many examples, below offhand - just a little lol

    6. In the Russian navy there were "Russian" cruisers with good characteristics for their class + generation, but made abroad, and Russian "cruisers", by their characteristics completely unsatisfactory.
    7. Russian battleships of the "Sevastopol" type were built for 5,5 years and during this time they managed to turn from potentially good ones to hopelessly backward ones, so they were practically not used in WWI, and in accordance with the tasks of the battleship class they were NEVER used at all.
    At the same time, their construction cost was 1,5 times higher than that of superdreadnoughts of the "Queen Elizabeth" type, significantly superior in all combat characteristics.
    8. In a sort of Russian-like aviation, the vast majority were foreign-built aircraft, most of them bought abroad, and almost completely, in any case, flying foreign-made engines.
    9. During the WWII, Russia, as it were, produced aircraft 8–12 times behind developed countries, and 40–60 times lagged behind the production of aircraft engines.

    10. At the same time, the "Newport", assembled according to French drawings in "Russian" (with French machines, French technologies and French, to a large extent, engineers) at the Dux plant, weighed about 10% more than the completely French original, with corresponding deterioration of all properties.

    11. Accordingly, the Russian Imperial Army, in which most of the soldiers were illiterate and could not master technically sophisticated weapons, and it was sparse, was extremely ineffective in battle. The Russian imperial fleet also proved extremely unsuccessful in both the REV and the WWII.

    Well, enough? lol
    Or are you having difficulty reading Russian in this place, well, are you completely tortured? laughing

    Quote: Aleksander
    And my heart feels that once again nothing reasonable from you, as always, I can’t wait

    And again you’re trying to judge everyone by yourself, Moldavian you are our laughing
    1. Aleksander
      19 November 2016 22: 56
      +1
      What is this dull long copy-paste, weird you? lol In footcloths still dig.

      What did you say about the new and why did you refute the thesis that Russia is the most powerful state of the Entente?
      Yes, nothing.

      Russia suffered the smallest casualties in the war and with the least tension of forces went through the war (except for the USA, of course), retaining the main Russian territories, inflicting defeat on Germany, Turkey and A-Hungary. That is the power of the country.

      .
      Quote: murriou
      But you, like a Moldavian, have serious problems with reading in Russian? I feel sorry for and can not refuse to help the poor

      Quote: murriou
      Or you reading difficulties in Russian

      Quote: murriou
      You are trying to judge everyone by yourself, Moldovan. You are our


      Who so offended you in childhood? Where do such complexes come from? request

      PS By the way, adverb in Russianformed from the relative adjective Russian with the help of the prefix in - is written hyphenated.

      What are you so not in Russian write? lol
      1. murriou
        murriou 23 November 2016 12: 53
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        = * =

        Quote: Aleksander
        defeating Germany

        Oh oh! Maybe, in your opinion, Russia also "defeated Japan" in the RYAV, having blown through most of the battles with the Japanese in the same way? lol

        Quote: Aleksander
        Turkey

        RI fought with Turkey much more successfully than with the Germans, but still they didn’t squeeze to a complete victory, while the British and the French fought quite noticeably against Turkey. For the bakers, the information about this is strictly classified.

        That is, usually the crystal bakers like to giggle about the failure of the Dardanelles operation of the allies, but at the same time they "forget" that the Turks in this operation suffered losses of more than 74 thousand killed, almost 200 thousand wounded, i.e. much more than the Entente, and many times more than in any of the operations on the Caucasian front.
        And there were the Syrian front and the Messopotamian front, about which the bakers too are not supposed to know.

        Quote: Aleksander
        and A-Hungary.

        And here Russia was not the only adversary of Austria-Hungary. Although here really the most significant, at least.

        Quote: Aleksander
        This is the power of the country

        Yeah, such a "power" for you - to hide behind the backs of much stronger allies, and get from them about half of all weapons and ammunition for war lol laughing

        Quote: Aleksander
        PS By the way, adverb in Russianformed from the relative adjective Russian with the help of the prefix in - is written hyphenated.

        OU! You have found in me the one and only minor mistake, and according to modern rules, it doesn’t even count, and now rush with it like with a written bag! laughing lol fellow

        Thank you for such an open admission that I have nothing more to complain about. love

        Quote: Aleksander
        What are you so not in Russian write? lol

        And they themselves immediately flopped into a puddle on a grand scale, confusing the conjugations of the verb "to write" and writing the imperative mood "write" where it is supposed to write the present. plural "write" good laughing

        Although, there’s some demand from you ... but you continue by your own example to STRONGLY drop my opinion about the education and rationality of Moldavians lol laughing
        1. Aleksander
          23 November 2016 14: 20
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          Quote: murriou
          Oh oh! Maybe, in your opinion, Russia also "defeated Japan" in the RYAV, having blown through most of the battles with the Japanese in the same way? Quote: Aleksander Turkey RI fought with Turkey much more successfully than with the Germans, but still did not put the squeeze on them until complete victory, and at the same time the British fought against the French quite noticeably. For crystal bakers, information about this is strictly classified. That is, usually crystal bakers like to giggle about the failure of the Dardanelles operation of the allies, but at the same time they "forget" that the Turks suffered losses in this operation over 74 thousand killed, almost 200 thousand wounded, i.e. much more than the Entente, and many times more than in any of the operations on the Caucasian front. And then there was the Syrian front and the Mesopotamian front, about which the baker of the glass is also not supposed to know. Quote: Aleksander and A-Hungary. And here Russia was not the only enemy of Austria-Hungary. Although here is really the most significant, at least. Quote: Aleksander This is the power of the country. Yeah, such a "power" is for you - to hide behind the back of much stronger allies, and get from them about half of all weapons and ammunition for warfare


          Empty chatter, yes.
          Quote: murriou
          OU! You found a single minor mistake with me, which, according to modern rules, does not even count, and now you rush with it like a hand-written sack! Thank you for such an open confession that I have nothing to find fault with. Quote: Aleksander Why do you write so non-Russian? And they themselves immediately flopped into a puddle on a grand scale, confusing the conjugations of the verb "to write" and writing the imperative mood "write" where it is supposed to write the present. plural "write


          You have a million pearls, Mulya. lol You speak Russian with difficulty and are extremely clumsy, yes.

          What is, for example, Murrish: "for production you need ... products. fool lol etc.

          Not know what adverb in Russian spelled is a disgrace for Russian people . Moreover, repeated three times, it can not be just a typo (like mine).

          Although, what is your demand: comedian is nerus. That you, in fact, are brilliant and confirm.
          In addition, you also prove by your personal example a long-known fact: the comedians have neither education nor reason.
          Although, what is the mind of disappeared relic losers who have lost their minds from the grief of defeat? lol
          1. murriou
            murriou 23 November 2016 14: 48
            0
            Again, Alexander "did not notice" everything that I have written, did not find any substantiated objections in essence, and began to get rid of empty chatter.

            Everything as usual laughing
            1. Aleksander
              23 November 2016 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: murriou
              Again Alexander "did not notice"everything that I have written did not find any reasonable objection in fact, and began to break off empty chatter. As always


              Nothing to object, you are our tongue-tied one: you have one Сwhit lol and there is. You consume it yourself. yes
              1. murriou
                murriou 23 November 2016 23: 39
                0
                That is, Alexander experiences SUCH difficulties with the Russian language, that he could not even master my messages even once ?!
                I sympathize crying
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 24 November 2016 02: 04
                  +1
                  it is necessary to have an appropriate medical or prosecutor’s education in order to fully understand them.
                2. Aleksander
                  24 November 2016 10: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: murriou
                  Ie, Alexander is experiencing SUCH difficulties with the Russian language, which even could not master my messages even once ?! Sorry


                  You have progressive narcissism, buddy. Your .. um, "messages" are not interesting for 30 years.
                  For they are sad, deceitful, illiterate agitation, and manned lol your "pearls a la Murrkin ",:" real production needs real products ". fool lol
  45. murriou
    murriou 23 November 2016 11: 16
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    Quote: Simpsonian
    like the country lived well with him

    4% of the country - yes, good. Even beautiful laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 23 November 2016 22: 43
      +1
      Are you used to hauling only from the table of merchants of the first guild? poor him...
  46. murriou
    murriou 23 November 2016 11: 51
    0