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Kamikaze drones are gaining popularity in the world

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Kamikaze drones are gaining popularity in the worldBarrage ammunition, also called kamikaze UAVs, which are unmanned aids launched both from the ground and from air and sea carriers, which, in addition to reconnaissance and surveillance equipment, are also equipped with a warhead integrated with the aircraft itself more prevalent in various countries of the world.


The development of barrage ammunition seems to be due to a number of reasons.

Rapidly developing military actions in contemporary conflicts significantly increase the role of systems that can lead to a reduction in the “detection-defeat” cycle. Barrage ammunition works just to solve this problem, combining the functions of reconnaissance, observation and destruction. In addition, due to the same circumstance, such decisions are more precise and more selective. weaponsthan, for example, artillery systems, which leads to a reduction in collateral civilian casualties.

Additionally, Drones- "kamikaze" in their accuracy indicators are superior to unguided aerial bombs. At the same time, the task is solved without risk for the crews of manned aircraft - carriers of classical bomb weapons.

In general, it can be said that locking ammunition to a certain extent is an alternative to weapon-equipped drone, representing a much simpler and cheaper system.

As a result, in general, the fairly well-known idea of ​​anti-burglary ammunition, on the wave of advances in the development of microelectronics technology, radio and optoelectronics, received a new surge of development, resulting in the emergence of a number of new systems with different technical characteristics in various technologically developed countries of the world.

ISRAEL

Perhaps, Harpy was developed by Israel Aviation Industries (currently Isarael Aerospace Industries - IAI), the Harpy system developed by Israel’s Israeli defense system, one of the first anti-bomber ammunition systems on the market. The first flight took place in 1989 year.

The delpy-wing Harpy 2 M-scale unit has a take-off weight of 125 kg. A Wankel UEL AR731 rotary-piston engine was originally used as a power plant, and a high-explosive fragmentation warhead was located at the head of the drone. Launch - from container launcher using solid-state accelerators. The maximum flight duration is 3 hours.

In September 2009, the Indian Air Force, bought 100 modified systems for the 10 million, called Harop (about it a little lower). Also, this system was supplied to the Armed Forces of Israel, China, Turkey, Chile, South Korea. A modified version of Harpy was offered to the UK as part of the IFPA program.

In the development of the Harpy project in 2001 – 2005, IAI created the Harop UAV. His first public show was held at 2009 at the Aero India air show. Conceptually, the device is similar to its predecessor, but it is built according to the “duck” scheme, has a different form of fuselage and a more complex wing shape with a 3 span. In addition to the radar homing head, it is also equipped with an IAI Tamam optical-electronic surveillance system developed on a rotating turret. The launch of the UAV is made from a container launcher placed on various carriers.

The wingspan of the apparatus is about 3 m, and the take-off weight is 135 kg. The UAV is also equipped with a rotary-piston engine that drives the pusher propeller. It was reported that the device can fly for a duration of up to six hours at ranges up to 1000 km. A system other than Israel was also supplied to India and Azerbaijan. Apparently, the first combat use of this UAV was its use during armed clashes of 1 – 4 on April 2016 in Nagorno-Karabakh.

It is also known that IAI is developing a lighter version of the Harop UAV. It was reported that its dimensions will be five times smaller compared to Harop. A lighter warhead will weigh about 3 – 4 kg. The flight duration will be 2 – 3 hours. It is not excluded that it may become the ancestor of a new family of small-sized antiques ammunition.

Specializes in creating a kamikaze UAV and another Israeli company - UVision. The lineup of Hero's anti-burglar ammunition systems currently offered by the company includes six models.

The three lighter Hero 30, Hero 70 and Hero 120 systems are for short and short range systems. They are all made with a cruciform wing and a cruciform tail. As the power plant on each of the UAV used electric motor. All variants have low acoustic and thermal unmasking features.

The portable tactical system Hero 30 weighing 3 kg has a warhead weighing 0,5 kg. The maximum flight duration is 30 minutes, the range is 5 – 40 km. The main purpose is called action against enemy manpower. Developers are planning in the future to present a special version of this system for US customers. Hero 70 with a take-off weight of 7 kg and a warhead weighing 1,2 kg can operate at distances up to 40 km, barraging for 45 minutes. It can be used against enemy vehicles. The third model - BLA 120 Hero 12,5 kg - carries 3,5-kilogram warhead, which makes possible its use against various structures, as well as lightly armored vehicles. Its radius of action is the same as that of the previous model, and the flight duration can reach 60 minutes.

Three more of the six UVision development systems mentioned have improved tactical and technical characteristics and can be classified as medium-range systems. Unlike the three lower systems in the line, they are made according to the “high-wing” scheme. The tail plumage is also cruciform. All of them use gasoline-powered internal combustion engines.

The 25 kg Hero 250 UAV can carry out flights lasting up to 3 hours, carrying on board a combat load weighing 5 kg. The range is 150 km. The heavier Hero 400 with a take-off mass of 40 kg already has a flight duration of at least 4 hours with the same range. An integrated warhead weighing 8 kg allows the use of this system against a wide range of operational targets, among which the company, in particular, mentions Tanks and other armored vehicles. Finally, the Hero 900 is closing the UAV’s second UAV troika. At the moment, this is the heaviest ammunition in the company's lineup. Its take-off weight is 97 kg, including a 20-pound warhead. According to the development company, the UAV’s flight duration is 7 hours, and the range reaches 250 km, which, however, seems somewhat optimistic.

Another Israeli company, Aeronautics Defense Systems, known for its development in the field of UAV systems, has supplemented its Orbiter 1K range of its UAVs with patronizing ammunition. The device is designed to defeat a variety of targets at tactical depth, including enemy manpower, as well as mobile and stationary targets, including lightly armored ones.

The development is based on Orbiter 2 UAV and has a high degree of unification with it. The device is made according to the “flying wing” scheme. The motor rotates the pushing screw. The range is from 50 km to 100 km. The onboard weight of 2,5 kg includes a Controp STAMP optoelectronic / infrared camera and a high-explosive fragmentation warhead that “delivers special tungsten balls”. The system has a task termination mode and a return to the place of launch.

USA

In the United States, there are also several ammunition project, mainly of a small class. So, the well-known developer of unmanned systems AeroVironment company offers an unmanned aerial vehicle, "Kamikaze" Switchblade. The device is made with a folding tandem wing. The launch is carried out from the launch tube. The total weight of the system is only 2,5 kg. The device can fly for up to 10 minutes at a distance of up to 10 km from the operator. This system is already in service with the US Army. There have also been experiments to evaluate the possibilities of using various carriers for this UAV, including aviation and marine.

Engaged in works on loot ammunition and the company Lockheed Martin. So, the rocket division of the company developed the Terminator system. Initially, the device was planned to create a twin-screw sredneplan with a straight wing. However, in 2015, the company showed a completely redesigned project of this UAV. It is a single-engine unit with a low wing, tail fins in the form of an inverted V. It has been reported that it is made using nylon-based 3D printing technology. The launch is made from the shipping container (Terminator-in-Tube concept - TNT). A two-channel surveillance system is installed at the head of the UAV. It was reported that the system can use a variety of warheads, including fragmentation and thermobaric.

Textron, also involved in work on UAV systems, developed BattleHawk warp ammunition with a parabolic wing with a span of about 0,7 m. It is a lightweight portable system with a total weight of less than 4,5 kg starting device, which is a solution that combines 40-mm fragmentation Textron high-explosive grenade and Prioria Robotics' Maveric mini-UAV. It was first shown in 2011 year. A high-resolution surveillance system is installed on board to track moving targets, as well as to guide them. Start is carried out by means of a launch tube. Flight duration is about 30 minutes, range - 5 km.

EUROPE

Among Western European countries, perhaps the most illustrative example is the MBDA company, which is a joint venture of BAE Systems, Airbus Group and Finmeccanica. Here, from the end of the 1990-ies, the development of fire shadow ammunition Fire Shadow was conducted for the needs of the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain. The BLA with an take-off weight of about 200 kg takes off from a ground platform from a catapult or from a launch canister. The wing of the device is collapsible, the console unfolds in flight position during takeoff. According to the developer, if necessary, the device can patrol in a given area for up to 6 hours.

In the spring of 2008, the first flight of the Fire Shadow unit was performed, which confirmed the characteristics laid down by the developer. As a result, in June of the same year, the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain signed a contract with MBDA for the further development of the system. In 2012, MBDA announced the start of mass production of Fire Shadow. In the same year, the first batch of 25 systems was delivered, but combat use, which was supposed to be carried out in Afghanistan, according to the available data, did not happen.

In addition to this project with a rather heavy UAV, MBDA also offered locking ammunition based on a mini-UAV with an inflatable wing and an electric motor. The TiGER (Tactical Grenade Extended Range) was equipped with two 40-mm grenades. Flight duration and range were extremely short - a few minutes and about 3 km, respectively.

Relevant developments are underway in Eastern Europe. So, the Polish company WB Electronics offers anti-burglar ammunition with Warmate modular payload. It was first shown to the public in 2014. A small unit with a take-off weight of 4 kg with a folding wing is launched from a special container. Warmate can be used both against enemy personnel and against lightly armored vehicles. In addition to the optical-electronic surveillance system of the Polish development, the device can also use both cumulative and high-explosive fragmentation warheads. The range is 10 km, and the maximum flight duration, which can be performed in automatic, semi-automatic, or manual modes, is 30 minutes. As far as we know, the company, in addition to the Polish Armed Forces, has already supplied these systems to Ukraine. According to reports, they were used during the fighting in the Donbass. There are plans to promote these systems and further in the post-Soviet space.

It is curious that some developments in the field of anti-burglary ammunition are available in neighboring Belarus. At the exhibition "Army-2016" was shown a prototype of a similar apparatus developed by SPC "Unmanned aircraft systems and technologies", which is supposed to be used from the board of the Burevestnik UAV (one under each wing console). The mass of patrol ammunition is 26 kg, including 10-kilogram warhead. As reported, when starting from a carrier at an altitude of 3,5 km, the range will be at least 36 km.

DEMANDED ON THE PLANET

Barrage ammunition is currently one of the promising areas in the development of unmanned aircraft systems. They are well suited to perform tasks that require prompt action in a rapidly changing combat environment. In anticipation of further progress in the development of loot ammunition, companies from a number of technologically developed countries of the world are developing such systems. Some of them are conducted with the financial support of the military departments of the countries concerned, and some - in an initiative manner at their own expense. However, today we can say that the development of technologies has made it possible to bring their capabilities to a level that suggests that this direction will have good prospects and show further growth.
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 12 November 2016 15: 08
    +14
    Hero-30/120 is extremely interesting to me as a means of enhancing the battalion's fire capabilities. A long arm, so to speak.
    1. demiurg
      demiurg 12 November 2016 15: 22
      +4
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Hero-30/120 is extremely interesting to me as a means of enhancing the battalion's fire capabilities. A long arm, so to speak.

      Why the battalion needs 150 km range? And only 5 kg of load at the same time?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 November 2016 15: 34
        +6
        Quote: demiurg
        Why the battalion needs 150 km range? And only 5 kg of load at the same time?

        Firstly, the main thing here is time, not range.
        Secondly, where did you get 150 km?
        Hero-120 60 minutes / 40 km, Hero-70 45 minutes / 40 km, Hero-30 30 minutes
        1. demiurg
          demiurg 13 November 2016 07: 13
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: demiurg
          Why the battalion needs 150 km range? And only 5 kg of load at the same time?

          Firstly, the main thing here is time, not range.
          Secondly, where did you get 150 km?
          Hero-120 60 minutes / 40 km, Hero-70 45 minutes / 40 km, Hero-30 30 minutes


          The 25 kg Hero 250 UAV can carry out flights lasting up to 3 hours, carrying on board a combat load weighing 5 kg. The range is 150 km.

          Why barrage? So that the enemy's EW had a chance to take control?
          If the enemy is detected, then it does not matter what to destroy, if only the range is enough. It’s easier to have adjustable ammunition for a 120 mm mortar, and a drone scout.
          I doubt that the interests of the battalion commander extend deeper than 10km behind enemy lines.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 November 2016 10: 26
            +1
            Quote: demiurg
            25 kg Hero 250 UAV

            But Aron, after all, pointed to the smaller 30 and 120. You mixed something up.
            1. demiurg
              demiurg 13 November 2016 10: 47
              0
              [quote = Shovels]
              And what is the corrected ammunition for mortar paired with UAV illumination worse?
              In any case, they will be cheaper and less, they do not care to drag BB anyway.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 November 2016 11: 22
                +1
                It's a question of time.
                On the march, especially if the mortars are not self-propelled, their reaction time is much longer than that of a barrage-guarding ammunition already in flight. Which can be used both for reconnaissance and for hitting an identified target.
                1. demiurg
                  demiurg 13 November 2016 11: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  It's a question of time.
                  On the march, especially if the mortars are not self-propelled, their reaction time is much longer than that of a barrage-guarding ammunition already in flight. Which can be used both for reconnaissance and for hitting an identified target.


                  Honestly, I don’t know how much Nona needs for the first shot on the move. But if you keep in the air much cheaper UAV reconnaissance UAVs, then the time before the explosion of a mine at the target is unlikely to be more than a minute.
                  And from a stationary position, a mine will fly faster than a drone dives from a height of two to three km.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 November 2016 12: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: demiurg
                    Honestly, I don’t know how much Nona needs for the first shot on the move.

                    5 minutes excellent. During the day, when the battery is deployed directly on the road. Plus 3 minutes for "excellent" - hitting the target without zeroing. A total of 8 minutes.
                    "Nona" - old stuff
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 November 2016 15: 27
            +1
            The most terrible beast for an infantry battalion is an enemy tank.
            I mean, run into a tank in an ambush. And for such intelligence-discovery-destruction
            a tank such a killer drone - the very thing for the infantry.
            1. demiurg
              demiurg 13 November 2016 18: 15
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The most terrible beast for an infantry battalion is an enemy tank.
              I mean, run into a tank in an ambush. And for such intelligence-discovery-destruction
              a tank such a killer drone - the very thing for the infantry.


              And why is it necessary to carry weapons on a drone?
              In order to guarantee the demolition of a tank, it is necessary to carry 3-4 kg of explosives. After all, you can simply detect from the drone, and how to destroy it, this is the second question.
              With BB, the drone is more suitable with MTR.
              My humble, couch IMHO:
              Figuratively speaking. The drone found the tank, destroyed, but 100 meters further there could be another 10. But the drone did not reach them. The next drone will see another tank, and again 9 remained hidden. Etc.
              Drone scout will open all 11 tanks.
              At least because instead of 3 kg of TNT or something else, he will have stronger optics.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 13 November 2016 22: 15
                +3
                When the enemy has a lot of armored vehicles, they detect it in advance and
                aviation deals with it in a big way. Plow over everything. The infantry has nothing to do here.
                The danger is posed by single armor-firing points in ambushes.
    2. corporal
      corporal 12 November 2016 16: 22
      0
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Hero-30/120 is extremely interesting to me

      In what sense is it interesting? Are they not yet in service? Or did you want to "poyuzat" personally, with your own hands? wink
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 12 November 2016 18: 06
        +4
        Quote: Corporal
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Hero-30/120 is extremely interesting to me

        Are they not yet in service? Or did you want to "poyuzat" personally, with your own hands? wink

        I would like to poyuzat. But alas. For several years now, I have not been called upon. Yes, and I doubt that this technique will soon reach the reservists. crying
  2. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 12 November 2016 15: 57
    +2
    Dangerous stukesiya for infantry.
  3. adma
    adma 12 November 2016 16: 08
    +4
    "A robot cannot harm a person or, by its inaction, allow harm to be done to a person. A robot must obey all orders given by a person, unless these orders are contrary to the First Law."
    Isaac Yudovich Ozimov was not right. Strongly wrong. Mind humanity does not understand ....
    1. Su24
      Su24 12 November 2016 16: 15
      +5
      Just everything is logical - more advanced means of destruction are being developed.
      Profane pacifism is irrational.
      1. adma
        adma 12 November 2016 16: 24
        +5
        And then more advanced means of destruction will decide that a person is an extra link in this celebration of life.
        PS: I think that Isaac Asimov would be very surprised to learn that his work was awarded the epithet "Profane pacifism". lol
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 12 November 2016 17: 17
          +3
          Asimov himself admitted that his laws do not work and his books describe hundreds of cases where they will fail. Therefore, this is the case.
          1. adma
            adma 12 November 2016 17: 40
            +4
            This is the whole pichalka. Skynet's scenario is far more realistic than Asimov's individual glitches.
            And, slightly paraphrasing Zhvanetsky, we can confidently assert: "Whatever you do with humanity - it stubbornly crawls into the cemetery."
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 12 November 2016 18: 30
              +1
              All species sooner or later either evolve or die. Any humanity will improve itself with the help of genetics and cybernetics, or it will fall due to natural or man-made factors.
              1. adma
                adma 12 November 2016 20: 37
                +1
                Well actually yes. After 7,5 billion years, the Sun will become a red giant, expand and absorb the Earth.
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona 13 November 2016 01: 23
                  +1
                  After more than 2 billion, the expansion of the sun will so warm the earth that organic life on it will become impossible.
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 13 November 2016 06: 44
                    +2
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    organic life on it will become impossible.
                    By this time, humanity will finally move into virtual space. The main subscription fee for traffic should be paid on time, otherwise they will be thrown back under the law of gravity, and then ...., I agree, it will be hot bully
  4. Chukcha
    Chukcha 12 November 2016 16: 10
    +1
    In the absence of normal air defense, it’s a very effective weapon.
    But something tells me that there will be development of "small air defense", precisely against such "buns".
    1. Do not care
      Do not care 12 November 2016 17: 06
      +5
      The emergence of loitering supplies is caused precisely by the need to break through the "normal" air defense
      Firstly, even a single drone is an extremely difficult target for any, even the most modern air defense system.
      Secondly, the cost of these ammunition is either at or significantly less than the cost of air defense missiles. So the massive use of such drones against the A2 / AD zone will make the air defense system on the one hand spend its ammunition on relatively cheap targets and on the other hand it will reveal the location of launchers
      And thirdly, the current generation of barrage of ammunition is not only equipped with means of target detection but also with electronic warfare systems, is integrated into network-centric warfare systems, which means that all information about the detected air defense systems is transmitted in real time to other ammunition and to other participants in the air attack. An example is the American drone family MALD-A / C / J / V
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 November 2016 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Do not care
        Secondly, the cost of these ammunition is either at or significantly less than the cost of air defense missiles

        Is not a fact. For example, there are C-RAM systems that hit even 81-mm mines in flight with anti-aircraft shells. On the approach laser systems for a similar purpose. As well as microwave means, affecting the electronics of ammunition. No one has come up with an international treaty banning the use of cheap ammunition against drones

        This can be a launcher. So what? The system is capable of protecting itself. Or just leave the position, there is no ban on this either.
  5. stas
    stas 12 November 2016 16: 18
    +5
    The ideal weapon for sabotage and terrorist attacks.
    Any aircraft landing can be destroyed in the air.
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 12 November 2016 17: 02
      +4
      I agree, such devices are just a dream of various kinds of terrorists, I’ve launched the hell-where and calmly choose your target.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 12 November 2016 18: 12
      +5
      Quote: stas
      The ideal weapon for sabotage and terrorist attacks.
      Any aircraft landing can be destroyed in the air.

      Yes, what does the diversion? Imagine a 2 company battalion falling under 120mm fire. Throwing back your 120mm mortars, engaging in counter-battery combat is all the time and loss. And a platoon of munitions ammunition here he is at headquarters. Shot his toys and after a few minutes they dive into the OP.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 12 November 2016 19: 56
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Imagine a 2 company battalion falling under 120mm fire.

        And not only that. Volunteers in Karabakh rode the bus and the oppa drone fell on the head of about 10 killed. The psychological impact is large and changes the tactics themselves.
        Previously, as it was seen by UAVs, you are trying to shoot it down, etc. But here you have to specifically bump into it. Arabs with Afghans may already be used to attacking American UAVs, but this is an innovation in the Caucasus.
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 12 November 2016 20: 02
        0
        So the mortars are also nearby, "at the headquarters." As well as an attached artillery division of 18 self-propelled guns
        They will definitely react earlier.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 12 November 2016 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          So the mortars are also nearby, "at the headquarters." As well as an attached artillery division of 18 self-propelled guns
          They will definitely react earlier.

          Wealthy live with us self-propelled guns is a brigade level. The battalion has a 120mm battery.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 12 November 2016 21: 07
            0
            Well, we have the same. There are two barrel divisions in the brigade, which are assigned to the battalions of the first echelon plus a jet division. Well, its own battery of 120 mm mortars.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 November 2016 16: 42
    +5
    The tactics of using such Drones is only being formed, to have such an apparatus, and not one, not a single battalion commander would refuse. The small and middle class, IMHO, will be in demand and massively used in local wars. On large, army air defense is very imprisoned, they will be overwhelmed instantly. But what should the security services of all dignitaries do now? Armed with shotguns, not otherwise. wassat although at speeds of 80 km / h it will not be easy to shoot down such "ducks".
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 12 November 2016 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What should the security services of all dignitaries do now? Armed with shotguns, not otherwise

      - IMHO enough communication drones with the operator (s) to break
      - EW funds - our all wassat
  7. cedar
    cedar 12 November 2016 17: 08
    +2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    What should the security services of all dignitaries do now? Armed with shotguns, not otherwise

    - IMHO enough communication drones with the operator (s) to break
    - EW funds - our all wassat


    The rich and other new ones .., a new hemorrhoid looms ... How to fly, ride, swim, live and not bother?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 12 November 2016 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: cedar
      The rich and other new

      “Well, why only with them?”
      - among officials (presidents - ministers ... further down the list) this too ... looms
      - moreover, it looms more than clearly - it’s harder to repulse an attack with such a thing than to detect and disperse snipers in the district.

      cedar... see already at the rootyou hedgehog about a stump! laughing
  8. RASKAT
    RASKAT 12 November 2016 17: 21
    +4
    Well, I don’t know, I don’t know, this toy is too expensive and, moreover, it is disposable. We will proceed from reality. Here we take for example ATGMs, probably 90% of all ATGMs in history have been fired not according to the armored vehicles against which they were originally developed, but according to any non-core goals for it: cars, firing points, fortifications, accumulations of manpower for single targets, well, and In a word, it was used as a kind of long-range sniper rifle. Undoubtedly, from the point of view of military operations, this is very effective, but from the point of view of cost per enemy unit, it is extremely wasteful. Therefore, it may be more appropriate to make a reusable airplane. Not a flying projectile, but a flying grenade launcher. For example, RPG-26, grenade weight 1.8kg, firing range 250m (due to flight altitude or for example increasing the length of the launch tube can be increased), armor penetration 440mm (most targets are enough). Found a target, shot back, returned to reload. The ammunition itself is cheap and the efficiency is the same as that of the Jews.
    I see it something like this, and you?
    1. adma
      adma 12 November 2016 17: 50
      +2
      Quote: RASKAT
      but in terms of cost per enemy unit, it is extremely wasteful.

      "Expensive" and "wasteful" are relative terms.
      Interesting statistics -
      In World War II, 25.000 rounds were spent per person killed.
      In Korea, 50.000 rounds.
      In Vietnam, 200.000 rounds.
      In Afghanistan - 250.000 rounds.
      1. RASKAT
        RASKAT 12 November 2016 18: 20
        +3
        It's just that when I see a video, mainly from the Middle East, how ATGs at the cost of 10 000 $ shoot at solitary or paired action movies, my heart bleeds. Why spend such an expensive munition on a target that the LNG-9 PF grenade would easily have handled at a price a hundred times less?
        1. adma
          adma 12 November 2016 18: 54
          +2
          So they shoot basically "Tou". And "Tou" is humanitarian aid. And the LNG will not cope with a guaranteed defeat as quickly and efficiently as Tou., I think.
          Under all other conditions, the mass of explosives in 73 mm grenade is 735 g. And in 152 mm ATGM - 2.8 kg.
          1. RASKAT
            RASKAT 12 November 2016 19: 30
            +1
            But in it there is a fragmentation shirt, it gives more fragmentation field, and ATGM only 1mm aluminum shell.
            1. adma
              adma 12 November 2016 20: 31
              +2
              When hit in a car, 2,8 kg of explosives is not the fragmentation shirt, but decisive.
        2. corporal
          corporal 12 November 2016 19: 30
          +3
          Quote: RASKAT
          Why spend such an expensive ammunition on a target that the SPG-9 PF could easily handle with a grenade at a price one hundred times less?

          This RP grenade still has to manage to get. And ATGM and drone in flight can be aimed and corrected.
          1. RASKAT
            RASKAT 12 November 2016 19: 39
            +1
            It all depends on the calculation if this weapon is in the hands of the Arabs then yes. They ATGM then manage to hit only every third missile. What is there to say for LNG.
  9. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 12 November 2016 19: 02
    +1
    Quote: RASKAT
    It's just that when I see a video, mainly from the Middle East, how ATGs at the cost of 10 000 $ shoot at solitary or paired action movies, my heart bleeds. Why spend such an expensive munition on a target that the LNG-9 PF grenade would easily have handled at a price a hundred times less?

    Ha A military-industrial complex will then receive a small amount of money And the number of spent cartridges for one repressed enemy is a crafty thing. It’s calculated that everything is actually fired and written off and lost, etc. Preparation of a fighter and range of attempted defeat and automatic means a lot. In AK, the first shot goes to the target the rest into milk And the fire barrier - how many cartridges are leaving - who counted? The thing is sometimes necessary, but at the same time the damaging effect is zero
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 November 2016 19: 57
      0
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      Ha A military-industrial complex then get a little money

      The military-industrial complex will not receive any "denyuzhka". They shoot off old stocks of old missiles, the only alternative is to pay money for disposal.
    2. byxarik1
      byxarik1 14 November 2016 10: 14
      0
      And you can just throw the dough of the enemy hi
  10. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 12 November 2016 19: 28
    +1
    If you believe the newspaper "Haaretz" the plane of the military transport aviation Az-on two times landed at the Israeli Air Force base "Uvda". The flight, if there was such a thing, was probably carried out to replenish such drones or Spike missiles or something else.
    1.This is an indicator of the level of cooperation between countries, without unnecessary bureaucracy with a few calls, you can make up for lost or spent weapons
    2 This is an indicator that, at that time, the Harop equipment was not massive (or other types of weapons)
    3 The Minister of Defense Industry announced for several months in Az-A not to begin production of a new generation of drones (possibly Haropov).
    4 In the army there is already a UAV of local production "ZƏRBƏ" the minister said “Bu aparat düşmənin dayaq məntəqələrini nəzarətdə saxlamaqla yanaşı, onları istənilən an məhv etmək iqtidarındadır.”
    1. Lekxnumx
      Lekxnumx 12 November 2016 19: 33
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      Local production under a license from Israel, I would like to clarify. Orbiter 4 tactical drone drone and Orbiter 1K mini drone drone are presented in Baku.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 12 November 2016 19: 53
      +1
      Quote: Lek3338
      This is an indicator that, at that time, the Harop equipment was not massive (or other types of weapons)

      Haropov is possible, because mass deliveries would have been noticed or there would have been rumors, and their appearance was completely unexpected.
      Regarding Spikes, my relatives served on the Spike front there until the April events and were entrusted only to trained officers, conscripts were engaged only in dragging him.


      And perhaps the most interesting thing will be after the visit of the head of Israel, especially the Israeli Minister of Defense, a great friend of Azerbaijan, Lieberman, just because they will not come. There will be a big contract.
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 12 November 2016 20: 35
        +2
        I think so too. Lieberman’s arrival cannot do without a good contract. In general, Israel is one of Azn’s most important allies in the military sphere, I would put it even higher than Turkey. Because they buy oil, more advanced technologies can and do not hesitate to transfer modern technologies .Turkey also has a lot to produce but joint ventures are in no hurry to create, however, they themselves are dependent, but they bargain for gas as if they were paying the last hard-earned blood. In general, they are rednecks, they don’t have a lactating hand. -not someone who would work with the Turks and did not complain about their redneck. He worked for the Turk himself, while doing everything normally, but as soon as the jamb or decided to leave work. That’s a completely different person in front of you, he wants to not pay extra by all methods, remember everything petty shoals. And here is what for 8 hours, only I brought him a profit of more than 5000 manat, although the average 2000, he won’t think, but what kind of transportation do you spend l is 10 manat more, so one place will vomit. I promised myself I will NEVER work with a Turk, and thank God I don’t work. But a Jew with whom I deal in general can’t even call a goon. I believe after that stereotypes))
  11. Operator
    Operator 12 November 2016 21: 01
    +2
    Barrage-guarding ammunition is a dead end branch of guided weapons, since in every combat use expensive electronic video and remote control equipment is consumed.

    A promising direction is a combination of reusable reconnaissance UAVs with video surveillance / remote control equipment and homing rocket-propelled grenades / rockets / missiles / gliding bombs with GOS of various types.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 12 November 2016 22: 38
      +3
      You are almost right.

      Ideally, the main source of intelligence. information should be, let's say, each "unit" leading the battle. From the usual shooter to flying machines. Moreover, the reading of this information should be carried out automatically.
      Plus, as an additional add-on, an intelligence system. In which everything should be included again, from electronic intelligence systems starting, and ending with microdrones.

      Well, the barrage of ammunition still has its own niche. They won’t fall, so at least they will complicate the life of the enemy, they will require the deployment of a defense system ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 November 2016 19: 01
        +1
        Another aspect: limiting the number of barrage of ammunition per km of front used simultaneously - the bandwidth of the radio channels for transmitting video from the ammunition within the radio horizon is not unlimited.

        In contrast, the bundle "one reconnaissance UAV + a lot of homing ammunition" requires only one radio channel for video transmission.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 November 2016 11: 23
      +1
      homing rocket-propelled grenades / rockets / missiles / gliding bombs with GOS of various types.

      And in the GOS homing rocket launchers expensive electronic equipment? laughing
      1. Operator
        Operator 13 November 2016 18: 56
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        There is less electronics in the GOS than in the GOS, a stabilized video camera and radio equipment (suddenly).
  12. rati
    rati 13 November 2016 03: 06
    +1
    Only the EW station will save, which will be able to deploy the toy back to its launcher, or better, immediately to the operator’s hands.
  13. RASKAT
    RASKAT 13 November 2016 10: 28
    +1
    Everything is right in its own way, depending on which weapon and against whom to use. If this is a technologically advanced enemy with at least primitive electronic warfare equipment, the use of most active drones will be extremely problematic. And if the barefoot Zulus on a cart with a DShK then all the funds will do.
  14. Sedoy
    Sedoy 13 November 2016 12: 44
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    well ... in a modern guerrilla-terrorist "war", when a "cool guy" chases "hicks" - this is actual ...
    as for the "war of monsters", then there "civilian victims" will not bother anyone ...
    no one will "catch fleas" there - armies against armies will be involved ...
    and wet will be "areas" ...
    and for advanced air defense, these low-speed, shelling shells will not be difficult targets ...
    systems such as Pantsir-M should catch and destroy them without complications