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New PE with F-35 fighter

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The US Marine Corps is investigating the causes of the fire aboard the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter fighter jet, which left the Beaufort base in South Carolina, reports MIC with reference to Military.com.


New PE with F-35 fighter


“The incident occurred on October 27 in the 501 th Marine Squadron, consisting of X-NUMX F-20B fighters. During the training flight over the base, a fire started in the weapons compartment of one of the airplanes, ”said John Roberts, representative of the 35 air wing of the MP.

“The plane landed safely, no one was hurt. The investigation continues, all news we will report as they become available, ”he added.

Roberts noted that the flights of the newest fighters in the squadron are not stopped, "everything goes as usual."

According to him, “the level of damage inflicted on the aircraft is still unknown, but the Center for Naval Security has classified the incident as Class A, which means an accident, the damage of which is no less than 2 million dollars.” The cost of the F-35B is about $ 100 million.

The newspaper reminds that this is not the first fire on the aircraft of the family: in September, the pilot was forced to leave the F-35A because of a fire in the rear part (61-I Fighter Squadron), and in 2014, the fire on the other F-35A caused damage to the aircraft in $ 50 million
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  1. Monos
    Monos 9 November 2016 17: 23
    +19
    We are waiting for the comments of the adherents of the American high-tech. smile

    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 9 November 2016 17: 28
      +52
      Pilot arson in protest against Trump's victory. laughing
      1. Giant thought
        Giant thought 9 November 2016 17: 30
        +11
        The plane is raw, that's why it constantly burns.
        1. rabbi's pais
          rabbi's pais 9 November 2016 17: 46
          +7
          Quote: Thought Giant
          The plane is raw, that's why it constantly burns.

          It’s absolutely unimportant. The fact is that pendas still suck it in to their allies. And this pepelats is ready to spit on them or not. Learn how to promote your product, dear Russian partners, I would say so hi
          1. In100gram
            In100gram 9 November 2016 20: 30
            0
            Quote: the rabbi's sideboards
            The fact is that the pendants still suck it in to their allies

            This model was not going to be sucked in hi
            1. rabbi's pais
              rabbi's pais 9 November 2016 20: 35
              +2
              Well hello. And the Turks, the Israelis, if the memory does not fail the South Koreans and some Europeans do not think so.
        2. :SCYTHIAN:
          :SCYTHIAN: 9 November 2016 17: 50
          0
          This is what scares, but suddenly I’ll finish it!
        3. Lukich
          Lukich 9 November 2016 18: 05
          +4
          Quote: Thought Giant
          The plane is raw, that's why it constantly burns.

          Yes, it seems like raw firewood does not burn. only smoke smile
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 10 November 2016 13: 42
            +3
            Quote: Lukich
            Yes, it seems like raw firewood does not burn. only smoke

            Yes, it’s so ... :))) Only in the armed asshole on the washing wire ... well, maybe a little hydraulics ... And the electricity in the cheese closes ... :))))
        4. Delink
          Delink 9 November 2016 18: 33
          +3
          And how raw can burn?))))))))
        5. Botanologist
          Botanologist 9 November 2016 18: 56
          +3
          Crude does not burn, crude smokes.
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 10 November 2016 10: 13
            +1
            So it’s smoked into category A - at least 2 million dollars.
        6. The comment was deleted.
        7. Tusv
          Tusv 9 November 2016 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: Giant thought
          The plane is raw, that's why it constantly burns.

          Fig fig raw. I also served in the Soviet Army when the air defense forces began to discuss concepts of f22 and f35, what kind of dogs and how to shoot them down.
          Yes, he just doesn’t have enough raw materials, in the form of postcards Benjamin’s 100th anniversary
          1. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 08
            0
            at one time, and the F-117 was not only discussed but also shot down, by the way, where is it? bully
            F-35s can have some chances only against the Iranians, and then he won’t fight in the air. I will just drop bombs, because it’s actually a light bomber, like the F-117 was not a fighter
        8. Azim77
          Azim77 10 November 2016 06: 35
          0
          An old joke in a new way:
          USA, 2055 year:
          - Grandfather, is it true in social programs that you shot down a plane in youth?
          - Well, I didn’t quite hit it, or rather, I calculated the design incorrectly ..
          smile
        9. tilix
          tilix 10 November 2016 16: 28
          +1
          The plane is raw, that's why it's constantly on
          raw? dry!
        10. 3danimal
          3danimal 13 November 2016 19: 36
          0
          I agree that the USSR had similar experience in operating the Yak-38.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 November 2016 17: 31
        +7
        Quote: Sith Lord
        against trump's victory.

        Just smoked on a nervous occasion. smile
      3. agent russia
        agent russia 9 November 2016 17: 46
        +1
        or maybe it was the pilot himself who bombed ???? wassat
        1. figwam
          figwam 9 November 2016 18: 17
          +10
          If the F-35 smokes, then it is a fire and only the old "Kuznetsov" smokes - because it works.)
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 9 November 2016 18: 55
            +1
            not the first time they shayat ...
      4. Juborg
        Juborg 9 November 2016 19: 32
        +4
        No, well yo-mayo, pasans, why for sabotage then they themselves light up, right? Another victory of the American aircraft industry, it doesn’t shoot, it doesn’t take off, but now it’s on its own, so keep in mind that it has not flown far from the airfields. And what will happen if it flies away, they will begin to explode ???
        1. HAPA
          HAPA 9 November 2016 19: 47
          +4
          Quote: juborg
          then he doesn’t shoot



          Quote: juborg
          and now it’s lightning up by itself, so keep in mind that it still did not fly far from airfields. And what will happen if it flies away, they will begin to explode ???




          In anticipation of the operational deployment of the F-35B early next year (first at the ILC base in Japan, and then during a regular UDC patrol), the new fighter first sat on the deck of a ship that was largely designed for it - LHA-6 "America"

          And what are the planes that do not pass an emergency?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 9 November 2016 21: 06
            +3
            Quote: HAPA
            What are planes

            Yes, we know, Hollywood works well and amerosmi too. Only here even their vassals refuse the original order volumes either downwards or completely yes
            1. HAPA
              HAPA 10 November 2016 16: 13
              0
              Quote: GSH-18
              Yes, we know, Hollywood works well and amerosmi too. Only here even their vassals refuse the original order volumes either downwards or completely

              And who refused? That's just to really get out of the program, etc.
              What was the last time
              Norway +12
              South Korea +20
              Turkey +16
              ......
              laughing laughing
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 41
                +1
                for example, it seems, Canada, or have not heard?
                you can see which countries you like at the beginning and now
                e.g. Italy
                1. HAPA
                  HAPA 11 November 2016 10: 29
                  0
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  for example, it seems, Canada, or have not heard?
                  you can see which countries you like at the beginning and now
                  e.g. Italy

                  Already wrote Canada did not refuse. Politicians shouted and that’s it.
                  Italy is the same, they even cut their own plant. In general, there will be no links with exposure from the paired world, the conversation is over, it’s a pity to disassemble your fantasies
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 28
                    0
                    shout in different forums, and politicians make decisions
                    Canada refused

                    even they built a plant, but they’ll buy it 4 times less, and look at it on the Internet yourself

                    England built large hangars at a large airfield for this aero-aerodrome-based aircraft bully
                    By the way, Lockhill built them too

                    sorry to waste time on you ...
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 10 November 2016 09: 14
            +1
            Something I have not seen a video where this pepelats would perform at least something like that in the air, like Sushki and MiGs do. The maximum that I saw in terms of aerobatics is a barrel.
          3. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 01
            0
            This is the only such aircraft that the KMP technicians now need to sort out after every second landing so that it does not break during the fourth and does not fall into the water love
            Therefore, after this, they are already the second Halloween are now at the California or the Japanese coastal air base. : laughing
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 9 November 2016 19: 32
        0
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Pilot arson in protest against Trump's victory. laughing

        It was necessary to splash salary lol
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 9 November 2016 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          Pilot arson in protest against Trump's victory.
          Two weeks before the election? This Nostradamus squadron probably got into the squadron.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 November 2016 05: 30
      0
      Quote: Monos
      We are waiting for the comments of the adherents of the American high-tech. smile

      Our planes do not burn! Because they are metal! laughing
  2. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
    Alexander Abdrakhmanov 9 November 2016 17: 24
    +8
    It’s good that they didn’t catch fire in the sky of Syria - otherwise Russia was blamed.
    1. kostiknet
      kostiknet 9 November 2016 17: 25
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Abdrakhmanov
      otherwise they accused Russia

      not yet evening...
    2. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky 9 November 2016 18: 17
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Abdrakhmanov
      It’s good that they didn’t catch fire in the sky of Syria - otherwise Russia was blamed.

      Yes you! Still have time! They damaged the pier supposedly with the deadly rays of Russian propaganda! Electromagnetic Kiselevschina and all that! wassat
  3. Sterlya
    Sterlya 9 November 2016 17: 24
    +1
    That's what I was thinking. In Russia, more than anyone had experience in the construction and use of aircraft GDP. (well, England). As a result, everyone took and poheril.
    1. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 9 November 2016 17: 31
      +13
      Why are there airplanes ?! Our liberals not so long ago stole an entire country!
    2. Finntroll
      Finntroll 9 November 2016 18: 05
      +1
      And what is the use of these aircraft? Even with the current level of VTOL technology, they look poor compared to classic machines, they are very complex and expensive not only in construction but also in operation, and their combat effectiveness is very doubtful.
  4. crocodile25
    crocodile25 9 November 2016 17: 25
    +4
    burn burn clearly that would not go out !!! laughing
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 9 November 2016 17: 34
      +2
      Again, apparently, some constructive flaw made itself felt, now a couple of billion dollars will be required to eliminate it, no less.
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 10 November 2016 10: 16
        0
        Or, as usual, a software bug.
  5. erased
    erased 9 November 2016 17: 32
    +3
    Let everything burn there, if only there is no war!
  6. ZaHuDa
    ZaHuDa 9 November 2016 17: 33
    +9
    I get the feeling that all the notes about problems with 35 are specially made so that we believe that the plane is already full G. Even when making a discount on the Yankees, well, people who created the SR-71 cannot do such bullshit for so long .... that it’s not clean here.
    1. your1970
      your1970 9 November 2016 17: 39
      0
      that’s the question that there were already precedents for cuts — one SDI program was worth what ...
    2. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 9 November 2016 17: 46
      0
      Yes, do not bother ... nothing is more pleasing than the failure of "tovarischa" ..
    3. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 9 November 2016 19: 49
      +3
      Quote: ZaHuDa
      so that we believe that the plane is already full

      There is absolutely no point in launching such a misinformation. This is just an airplane (even if it is at least three times golden), which does not solve any strategic tasks. And they are not the same comrades who would consciously spoil their own image.
    4. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 10 November 2016 10: 19
      +1
      Well, people who created the SR-71 cannot do such bullshit for so long ...
      Created "Thrush" of course can not. After all, these people have long been retired, others are not. And these personalities are not related to F-35.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 57
        0
        the same ones created the F-104, the most emergency in history ... bully
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 9 November 2016 17: 34
    +4
    I remember on the site, someone claimed that the penguin has one trouble-unsuccessful software, and as soon as they finish the story, it’s a fairy tale. Here I see a terrible fairy-tale, only. It's just that the car is unsuccessful, and they are trying to make candy out of it.
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 9 November 2016 19: 29
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      I remember on the site, someone claimed that the penguin has one trouble-unsuccessful software, and as soon as they finish the story, it’s a fairy tale. Here I see a terrible fairy-tale, only. It's just that the car is unsuccessful, and they are trying to make candy out of it.


      And the
      F-35 flying over 65.000 hours. There is always a certain percentage of emergency.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 November 2016 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      I remember on the site, someone claimed that the penguin has one trouble-unsuccessful software, and as soon as they finish the story, it’s a fairy tale. Here I see a terrible fairy-tale, only. It's just that the car is unsuccessful, and they are trying to make candy out of it.

      Yeah, try to explain these obvious things to our Israeli single-site people. lol
  8. Damir
    Damir 9 November 2016 17: 36
    +5
    0,02% of the cost ... a small incident ... sorted out, the problem is different .. they already have a hundred F-35s in service and under 200 F-22s, you can shout that these are all airplanes and we’ll The S-500 is right there on take-off ... but the PAK FA is only about 10 and these are all test copies, and not mass production .....
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 9 November 2016 17: 56
      +1
      the question is - where do they fly ??? only on test flights and fly .. at least 100 .. at least 200 and flight only 10–20 .. and what is the T-50 skok? like 9pcs last time said .. also one burned I admit, but on earth !! during the tests .. and what makes it worse .. but in the series next year .. and I’m sure that he will not have jambs and according to the statements it’s better to take f-22-35 together .. and the pendos have long recognized that 22 will die when meeting with mig31 (represents a problem when meeting) here and judge ..
      1. Damir
        Damir 9 November 2016 17: 58
        0
        Do you have reports from the US Air Force with flight plans ???? please provide the General Staff, they will be glad to another source of information ....
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 November 2016 19: 06
        +4
        "at least 100 .. at least 200 and flight only 10-20 .." ///

        Flying all 210 pieces. All issued conduct regular flights.
        In 6 countries.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 November 2016 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Damir
      200 F-22s, you can scream that these are all airplanes and we’ll take them off at the take-off S-500 ... but the PAK FA is only about 10 and these are all test copies, not mass production .... .

      A type of horseradish cloud f-35 in the US Air Force serial! lol It is not necessary to make a standard of generation "22" out of the F-5 because it is not so due to many objective reasons.
  9. demiurg
    demiurg 9 November 2016 17: 39
    0
    And what could catch fire in the weapons compartment? Hydraulics?
  10. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 9 November 2016 17: 41
    0
    My advice to the Americans is to restore the production of f22, and this is misery.
    1. dauria
      dauria 9 November 2016 17: 57
      +2
      and this misery please.


      This "squalor" will soon become the best-selling fighter jet (displacing the F-16). Well, maybe even then Voennoye Obozreniye will at least reprint an article from the "Corner of the Sky" website, and people, after scratching their turnips, will say: "But the airplane is not bad, and the market is shining for us only Mongolian"

      Once we went head to head, and our experienced aircraft was required to exceed their serial, and their drawings - to exceed our experienced. Now the lag in the generation, we draw their production cars.
      1. Operator
        Operator 9 November 2016 18: 35
        +2
        Do not jump out of your pants - the Penguins haven’t even reached the F-22 yet.

        And given the sharply negative attitude towards Penguin, the chairman of the Senate Committee on Armed Forces John McCain (a member of the US Republican Party who won the presidential election) is unlikely to survive - Donald Trump has already confirmed as the elected president that the lion's share of budget allocations will be directed to the reconstruction of the country's infrastructure .

        So in the next 8 years, grants will not shine for you, and the US Air Force - Penguins laughing

        PS In my humble opinion, in this regard, the US Air Force was very lucky: the F-18 in the Advanced Super Hornet version with an EPR of 1 sq.m will give a hundred points ahead of the F-35 with an EPR of 0,5 sq.m.
        1. dauria
          dauria 9 November 2016 18: 58
          +3
          So in the next 8 years, grants will not shine for you, and the US Air Force - Penguins


          It is clear, "bad eroplan" .... It's like a prayer in VO. Well, but a simple trifle - it does not have a classic hydraulic system with a bunch of main and reserve pipes throughout the fuselage and wing, do you know? Or micron gap technology between panels? Can you say something about the REO? Well, for example about a circular DN? How is a picture formed from a mosaic of IR sensors? Yes, grants would not interfere with me - I would give them to any secondary school, so that they would teach not brawlers, but intelligent, serious children.
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 November 2016 19: 04
            +1
            As for grants, it was a joke.

            As for the Penguin - no, believe McCain and the participants in VO. No one needs micron gaps for the sake of gaps.

            An article about Advanced Super Hornet has been published on VO today - a very worthy drummer, including deck (even American aircraft designers can create aircraft at the Russian level if they try).
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 9 November 2016 19: 53
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            It is clear, "bad eroplan" .... It's like a prayer in VO. Well, and a simple trifle - it does not have a classic hydraulic system with a bunch of main and reserve pipes throughout the fuselage and wing, do you know? Or micron gap technology between panels? Can you say something about the REO? Well, for example about a circular DN? How is a picture formed from a mosaic of IR sensors?

            Oyoyoyoy! Tubules, gaps and technology for the formation of pictures belay Horror! Well this increases combat effectiveness so much. wassat And most importantly, fire safety!
            I, like most other people, are deeply cut in half from what and how this hitch has been bungled, the main thing is that it does not fly as intended, does not shoot as we would like and in fact against the new Russian air defense systems is not invisible. As a result, all of his technological bells and whistles can be flushed down the toilet. yes
          3. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 19
            0
            can you write something that he has a muzzle like a twin-engine F-22, but only one dviglo?
            and he himself did not come out in grace of forms even in comparison with the F-22?
            what to expect from him in this case? of course bad ... but what software, what sensors, what gaps ... is it all on another plane to put in use?
            and what a HELMET !!! laughing what a ladder ... YOOOO! laughing
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 9 November 2016 19: 08
          +2
          "the peculiarity of the Penguins has not yet even reached the F-22" ////

          Long overtaken. They are mass-produced at 5 per month.
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 November 2016 19: 15
            +2
            In recent months, it may have overtaken, but before death, you can’t breathe am
            With Donalt Trump you, Voyaka uh.
            1. dauria
              dauria 9 November 2016 19: 23
              0
              With Donalt Trump you, Voyaka uh.


              You too. laughing At the same time, explain why Trump, who promised jobs in America and new manufactures, should curtail the production of a very popular product, which has no competitors in the next ten years? (The Chinese are not counting, we are not counting)
              1. Operator
                Operator 9 November 2016 19: 36
                +4
                The military-industrial complex of the USA has many goods - F-15 Silent Eagle, F-18 Advanced Super Hornet, F-22 Raptor. The last product was especially courted by the Israelis.

                But until recently, LockMart, with the help of lobbyists from the US Democratic Party, was imposing an outright substandard on everyone - F-35 Lightning II (known as Penguin by the Australians).

                US clients took and made a happy face according to the recommendation: "If you get raped, relax and have fun." laughing
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 9 November 2016 19: 51
                  +3
                  "But until recently, LockMart with the help of lobbyists" ////

                  Nothing is squeezed out of the F-15. Like from the F-16. Israel considered
                  at one time, both Saylet Eagle and Super-Hornet as a prospect for the Air Force.
                  No matter how you make them "tuning", these are technologies of the past.
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 9 November 2016 22: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    No matter how you make them "tuning", these are technologies of the past.

                    We did the tuning to the twenty-fifth Migu, so the thirty-first 3 Mach pulls already. The same Raptor f-16 will not catch up. Limitations - at 2100 km / h
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 November 2016 09: 20
                      +1
                      "We made tuning for the twenty-fifth Migu" ////

                      This is also not from a good life. At some point from the aircraft
                      old generations will have to get rid of. To all countries.
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv 9 November 2016 22: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Operator
                  But until recently, LockMart, with the help of lobbyists from the US Democratic Party, imposed a frank non-standard on everyone - F-35 Lightning II

                  This is not entirely true. At the beginning of the century, when there was still no Raptor or Penguin, the Yankees proposed a swagger (that is, at the expense of other members of NATO) to build a super duper pepelats, surpassing all known aircraft, except for the supper duper in the cube (F-22). Time passed, but super-duper is still gone. Then the Europeans created quite decent Typhoons, Rafali and Grippen.
                  And then finally. The super duper is built and is now being distributed, but in American style it’s five for the price of ten for force majeure circumstances. burn, in software bugs, they say spent on revision. Well, they supposedly wanted it that way, but the most honest Yankees fixed it almost for free
              2. GSH-18
                GSH-18 9 November 2016 20: 03
                +2
                Quote: dauria
                With Donalt Trump you, Voyaka uh.


                You too. laughing At the same time, explain why Trump, who promised jobs in America and new manufactures, should curtail the production of a very popular product, which has no competitors in the next ten years? (The Chinese do not yet count, we don’t count)

                What parallel reality are you from, buddy? lol
            2. MarioG
              MarioG 9 November 2016 19: 31
              0
              Quote: Operator
              With Donalt Trump you

              Most Israelis are happy about this, so thank you, you too lol
              1. Operator
                Operator 9 November 2016 19: 39
                +4
                Pereobulsya on the fly, of course.
            3. HAPA
              HAPA 10 November 2016 14: 08
              +1
              Quote: Operator
              In recent months, it may have overtaken, but before death, you can’t breathe am
              With Donalt Trump you, Voyaka uh.

              Again by. There were 196 of them already in June.
              Now 226 pieces.
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 November 2016 16: 02
                0
                And how much burned and crashed? bully
                1. HAPA
                  HAPA 10 November 2016 16: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  And how much burned and crashed?

                  crashed 0.
                  3 had a fire
                  For its raid and quantity for a new aircraft, it’s not bad at all.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 00
                    0
                    Quote: HAPA
                    3 had a fire


                    Then why did you bring a photo of the T50 at the word "fire" on which it seemed there was one, and not an F-35?
                  2. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 06
                    0
                    and this is not a new aircraft, this is the Soviet Yak-141 Freestyle copied and crookedly ordered by Lkhid
                    all the incidents that occur on it are due to the step-by-step changes made by the Americans in the design.
                    gradually they were replaced by almost everything, so there were few critical failures so far,
                    but two of them were definitely not worth changing laughing
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 November 2016 05: 34
      0
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      My advice to the Americans is to restore the production of f22, and this is misery.

      The Americans listened and promised to think! laughing
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 07
        0
        would be able - would have thought ...
  11. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 9 November 2016 17: 44
    +1
    Respect and respect to the flyer .. with a fire planted - beautiful .. but ss..ka with invisibility trouble .. yes bully ..step steep ..
  12. doubovitski
    doubovitski 9 November 2016 17: 45
    +8
    Quote: Damir
    0,02% of the cost ... a small incident ... sorted out, the problem is different .. they already have a hundred F-35s in service and under 200 F-22s, you can shout that these are all airplanes and we’ll The S-500 is right there on take-off ... but the PAK FA is only about 10 and these are all test copies, and not mass production .....

    You don't know that they took the Raptors out of production. Unbeknownst to you, their vaunted F35s cost more than $ 480 million in manufacturing and operating costs over their lifetime. This is the price of a whole piece of pure gold of the same mass as this "miracle" of technology. You do not know that always, for everyone and in all ages, weapons were made cheaper than the targets they hit. But with this piece of iron, the Americans failed. Therefore, instead of the planned 6 thousand aircraft (for themselves and for export), they barely made a couple of hundred. Well, on x .... p nobody needs them!

    Admire.

    http://ostkraft.ru/ru/articles/1792
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 10 November 2016 05: 37
      0
      Quote: doubovitski
      Therefore, instead of the planned 6 thousand aircraft (for themselves and exports), they barely made a couple of hundred. Well, on x .... r nobody needs them!

      Therefore, factories built in several countries will produce pots! What would they do without our conversion experience wassat
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 23
        0
        you can play football inside, or just demolish them like twin towers and one more.
  13. :SCYTHIAN:
    :SCYTHIAN: 9 November 2016 17: 47
    +1
    I’m wondering, did anyone pay attention to the number 20? ??? All of us can be gnarled about TTX and about the price and about the accident ..... M L I personally am very annoyed by this figure !!!!
    1. Magua-xnumx
      Magua-xnumx 9 November 2016 17: 54
      +1
      Doesn't it bother that they are so combat-ready burning on the coastal airfield, and not on the ship?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 November 2016 23: 16
        +1
        This is a training for pilots of the Marine Corps. On ships F-35B is also in
        combat squadrons.
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 10 November 2016 00: 36
          0
          they haven’t been on ships for a year now, at least not based in the last month
          1. HAPA
            HAPA 10 November 2016 13: 57
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            they haven’t been on ships for a year now, at least not based in the last month

            laughing
            November 3, 2016

            August 2016

            How does it live in a parallel world?
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 10 November 2016 22: 26
              0
              it’s not basing, it’s a test landing on the deck, and the ship should be near the airfield (and therefore with its own or friendly coast).
    2. Sergey333
      Sergey333 9 November 2016 18: 19
      +2
      Already 19 laughing And this is excellent, one rocket will have to spend less ..
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 9 November 2016 23: 07
        0
        Why 19?
        Repair they will cost 2 lemons, really the Pentagon will not scratch such an amount?
        In an extreme case, they will withhold the pilot’s salary. For whom it’s really alarming ... what if a person has a mortgage, a dollar one? crying
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 10 November 2016 11: 27
          0
          Category A is at least 2 lemons, and more can be any number
  14. guzik007
    guzik007 9 November 2016 17: 58
    +1
    The US Marine Corps is investigating the causes of the fire aboard the F-35B Joint Strike Fighter,
    --------------------
    I laugh at zhurnalyugami ...
    I present the headline on our resources: "Russian paratroopers are investigating the causes of the fire aboard a fishing trawler ...
    Maybe all the same, "the command is investigating", and not the rank and file?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 9 November 2016 23: 15
      0
      Democracy Sir!
      In all garrisons and on ships, secret voting has been launched and all procedures must be followed.
  15. NEXUS
    NEXUS 9 November 2016 18: 06
    +3
    I believe this emergency is not due to structural flaws, but most likely a special case of this particular side. It’s faster for us to let ROFAR into the series and equip all new planes with them in order to reset this factor, as the stealth of this aircraft.
    1. Sergey333
      Sergey333 9 November 2016 18: 16
      +2
      And I really, really hope that this is a fatal error of the constructor. wassat
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 9 November 2016 20: 01
        +1
        you hope correctly, it is ...
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 10 November 2016 05: 39
        0
        Quote: Sergey333
        And I really, really hope that this is a fatal error of the constructor. wassat

        "Hope and wait
        Whole life ahead " smile
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 10 November 2016 12: 14
          +1
          3-4 years, already the US Commission for the F-35C darted, but it will not be either

          so everything in front of the Boeing with its advanced F-18 is half-stealth

          You can sell your Lockheed stocks until you drop in price.
        2. Operator
          Operator 10 November 2016 16: 08
          0
          "Whom I soki, what I do not lite" (C)

          Aerodynamic quality of "Raptor" - 12 units, "Penguin" - 8.

          Brick can't fly laughing
  16. Sergey333
    Sergey333 9 November 2016 18: 15
    +2
    Burn, burn clearly, such a monster has nothing to do in the sky laughing
  17. sandroart
    sandroart 9 November 2016 18: 18
    +4
    And I like this American bird. For this technique the future. And the form and performance characteristics are all on top
  18. Operator
    Operator 9 November 2016 18: 20
    +3
    Every two months, a fire is a good place to start. bully
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 10 November 2016 12: 20
      +1
      it’s closer to the end of this circus, they are looking for a left less obvious reason to stop the F-35B project, it’s easier with the F-35C, although the mechanisms of the weapons compartment are the same and the engine seems to be the same - it just cracks from hard landings deck with a hook.
  19. Altona
    Altona 9 November 2016 18: 28
    0
    What is it all the time? laughing
  20. aiden
    aiden 9 November 2016 19: 53
    +1
    Well, you can’t smoke on the plane.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 9 November 2016 20: 32
      +2
      Quote: aiden
      Well, you can’t smoke on the plane.

      And some pants on the fart tear-a great plane wassat
      And there’s not even a fan on the lobovuha! lol
      And as it becomes clear, a fire extinguisher too!
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 10 November 2016 00: 07
        0
        Quote: GSH-18
        And there’s not even a fan on the lobovuha!
        And as it becomes clear, a fire extinguisher too!

        The inspector's dream ... both a fireman and a road ... ...... there is probably no first-aid kit either ..
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 10
          0
          Pilot’s dream - no inspectors, smoke at least anasha ... she probably smoked it

          Lockheed engineers probably too laughing
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 10 November 2016 10: 28
      0
      Do not ... You just have to put out the cigarette butts, but not leave them anywhere ... For example, in a bomb bay.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 12
        0
        confused with a pepelats ... it’s sometimes they transport Russian cows with planes and if an overseas pig gets into it
  21. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 9 November 2016 20: 51
    +1
    N-yes, all the same, not everything is good with this bird overseas! It seems that there are some flickering flaws in the motor system, and maybe the manufacturer’s marriage. The regularity with which an emergency occurs should alert. Someone is underworking somewhere! But ours still need to rush with the new engine for PAK FA! hi
  22. RUS33
    RUS33 10 November 2016 01: 04
    0
    The newspaper recalls that this is not the first fire on family aircraft: in September, the pilot was forced to leave the F-35A due to a fire in the stern (61st fighter squadron)
    And for this fire there are no numbers ?????
  23. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 November 2016 01: 30
    0
    "Burn, burn clearly, so as not to go out!" laughing The meridian cool tsatska is not so cool. The usual cut babolikov and the output does not understand what. However, mattress-making is a tradition (an example with a deadlock is one shell under 800 thousand cut !!!) bully
  24. afrikanez
    afrikanez 10 November 2016 02: 06
    0
    Yes, burn it all with a blue flame - thought the F-35 pilot and flew on. (Joke)
  25. Proton
    Proton 10 November 2016 02: 25
    0
    This device flies to me from the side, than the suitcase reminds laughing without a pen by itself, then the paint will peel off, then the inside rattles a couple, it doesn’t fit together, but now I see that the poltergeist settled there, it burns laughing
  26. Bayonet
    Bayonet 10 November 2016 05: 49
    +1
    An excellent aircraft, like any new car, has children's sores. And the one who laughs last laughs.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 10 November 2016 23: 19
      0
      Quote: Bayonet
      Great plane

      there are still those who are shaking off ... by the way, something has not been heard for a long time about his helmet laughing
  27. Orionvit
    Orionvit 10 November 2016 09: 10
    +1
    Quote: HAPA
    And what are the planes that do not pass an emergency?

    There are no such planes. But there are planes that are advertised as "the best", for no reason. If he is "the most", then only for the price.
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 10 November 2016 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Orionvit
      Quote: HAPA
      And what are the planes that do not pass an emergency?

      There are no such planes. But there are planes that are advertised as "the best", for no reason. If he is "the most", then only for the price.

      And who advertises him like that? Can I have a quote? I’m basically reading about the SU-35 and the pak-fa. Of course they praise themselves, but no more than other manufacturers. Everyone has promises.


      It's ridiculous about the price, now it is already one of the cheapest airplanes.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 10 November 2016 18: 26
        0
        If you are so aware, can you tell me why the states are constantly using aviation in operations around the world, so far have not bothered to use it in real sorties, for example, in Syria. Or are they afraid of Russian air defense? Maybe they know that in the event of a collision with the same SU-35s, how would I say, they screw up a little?
        It's ridiculous about the price, now it is already one of the cheapest aircraft
        Well, you already made me laugh. Americans don't have anything cheap by definition. Except for the old stuff, which they sell to various non-donors like Estonia or Georgia as "humanitarian aid."
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 10 November 2016 19: 33
          0
          Quote: Orionvit
          If you are so aware, can you tell me why the states are constantly using aviation in operations around the world, so far have not bothered to use it in real sorties, for example, in Syria. Or are they afraid of Russian air defense? Maybe they know that in the event of a collision with the same SU-35s, how would I say, they screw up a little?

          Eh hehe ... My life ... recourse request
          1. HAPA
            HAPA 10 November 2016 20: 28
            0
            Quote: Bayonet
            Eh hehe ... My life ...

            Do not understand.

            But as a potential geopolitical adversary, I really like the mood of this site.
            Such an underestimation of everyone and everything is the best gift.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 33
              +1
              it’s known that Germans really like when Americans mess up wassat
            2. Odysseus
              Odysseus 11 November 2016 01: 14
              +1
              Quote: HAPA
              Such an underestimation of everyone and everything is the best gift.

              Don't even hope. Those with whom you are communicating in this topic are our specially trained fighters with the combat mission of relaxing the "potential geopolitical enemy". smile
              By the way, where does such knowledge on the F-35 come from? On duty or so a hobby?
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 31
                0
                they really can only relax with this plane and get the most out of it

                this is clearly not a hobby, emphasizing pro-Lokhidov’s PR
                they even trampled on American freedom of speech by releasing manuals for the military how to communicate with the press on this topic
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 34
                0
                objectively, for example, USN for half a century has already required all of its aircraft to be twin-engine, instead they are trying to suck in this UG
              3. HAPA
                HAPA 11 November 2016 10: 30
                0
                Quote: Odyssey
                Don't even hope. Those with whom you are communicating in this topic are our specially trained fighters with the combat mission of relaxing the "potential geopolitical enemy".

                Well, I hope so. And then this is a clinic.
                Quote: Odyssey
                By the way, where does such knowledge on the F-35 come from? On duty or so a hobby?

                Just an adjacent robot.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 11 November 2016 22: 44
                  0
                  Quote: HAPA
                  Just an adjacent robot.

                  You know a lot of technical details. All the information is at your fingertips. Write cleanly. There’s nothing to dig into. Good work.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 39
                    0
                    yeah, la ... show at least one technical detail? lol
                    not even clean

                    adjacent to it he works in PR, next to their bookkeeping laughing bringing the overpriced price of the Su-30 2-3 times
                  2. Magua-xnumx
                    Magua-xnumx 14 November 2016 22: 51
                    0
                    Dig into the fact that a couple of years ago, out of eight F-35C approaches, not a single hold came out, but here "all landings were successful."
        2. HAPA
          HAPA 10 November 2016 20: 26
          +1
          Quote: Orionvit
          If you are so aware, can you tell me why the states are constantly using aviation in operations around the world, so far have not bothered to use it in real sorties, for example, in Syria. Or are they afraid of Russian air defense? Maybe they know that in the event of a collision with the same SU-35s, how would I say, they screw up a little?

          Where to rush? And yes, already in 2017 they will go to bl. East.
          And what are they afraid of air defense? Has it hit anyone? And how many planes shot down the SU-35 or Su-30. There is nothing to fear.
          Yes, what if the Su-35 is screwed up, or is it impossible and cannot be brought down?
          Quote: Orionvit
          Well, you already made me laugh. Americans don't have anything cheap by definition. Except for the old stuff, which they sell to various non-donors like Estonia or Georgia as "humanitarian aid."

          By definition .... Maybe first you need to glean information, and then write different slogans with pathos? And then earlier "by definition" the earth was flat.
          Myself (USA) F-35 is bought many times more than the Allies sold.
          Once again, the F-35 costs $ 98 million, European aircraft from 110+, F-15E 120 million. Su-30MKI $ 102 million
          Really funny?
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 10 November 2016 20: 56
            0
            But as a potential geopolitical adversary, I really like the mood of this site.
            And I, as a potential adversary, would like to remind you of the lessons of history that some zealous "information diggers" like you do not listen to. Let the mood on the site go off scale in its patriotism, but there are some objective reasons for this. And this is just the beginning.
            Really funny?
            True. Everything that you have posted here, probably dug up in your "patriotic" Western press. For reference, the export price of the SU-30 is about $ 80 million.
            1. HAPA
              HAPA 10 November 2016 21: 19
              +1
              Quote: Orionvit
              but there are some objective reasons for this. And this is just the beginning.

              and what ? only object.
              Quote: Orionvit
              True. Everything that you have posted here, probably dug up in your "patriotic" Western press. For reference, the export price of the SU-30 is about $ 80 million.

              And what about the patriotic press? The amount of the contract from this will not change.
              You tell this India about 80 million.
              Latest figures tabled in parliament, show that another deal for 40 + 2 Sukhois (2 are replacements for aircraft that crashed last year), to be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautical Limited under license from the Russian Federation "s Irkutsk, has been struck for $ 4.3 billion (Rs20,125 crore), that is $ 102 million (Rs480 crore) a piece.
              Read more at: http://www.oneindia.com/2010/08/17/aircraft-deals
              -with-russia-costing-more.html
              And even $ 80 million is not to say that it is cheap for a 4-pk plane. without AFAR, sighting container
              ps I understand correctly, it means now studying and looking for information is bad in the Russian Federation? I like more and more here. One F-35 has not been flying ships for a year already, although in the real world it's always on them, etc.
              straight reserve wassat
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 10 November 2016 22: 38
                0
                it was written to me that they have not been based on them for a year, unpromising attempts to teach the F-35B / C to fly normally from ships, so far for the bird in the contract they are occasionally made ...
                the price of all F-35s is indicated without engines, and some here are pushing something about containers and AFARS lol
                it would be better to ask how this afar will survive EMR, for starters crying
                1. HAPA
                  HAPA 10 November 2016 22: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  it was written to me that they have not been based on them for a year, unpromising attempts to teach the F-35B / C to fly normally from ships, so far for the bird in the contract they are occasionally made ...

                  They were never based on ships on an ongoing basis since the time had not yet come. Now, on average, there are over 200 takeoffs and landings for each F-35C
                  For F-35B, from January 2017, go on combat patrol. Occasionally laughing 62 aircraft at the KMP. and 26 at the Navy. Recall the splinter in the Russian Air Force SU-35?
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  the price of all F-35s is indicated without engines, and some here are pushing something about containers and AFARS

                  Only in your parallel world.
                  F-35A
                  Airframe $ 62.475
                  CFE Electronics $ 16.315
                  Engines $ 12.889 is the engine
                  ECO 1.834 $
                  + add. equipment for the plant.
                  = $ 98.994 million



                  Better still, death rays, why are you based on Amy.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 17
                    0
                    During tests for "initial combat readiness" 6-8 pieces of F-35B were based on the ship, they were recognized a year ago as "successful", after which the squadron was removed from the ship ...

                    Each F-35C starts to fall apart noticeably from less than 12 landings, they could all fly so much, and most likely this is taking into account non-hooks, which are many times more than hooks.

                    In 2017 and write, I even know that ... in 2008 the last F-35 was supposed to be delivered to the Pentanog lol
                    F-35A eo is the simplest of all,

                    can you tell dviglo in value from a container, etc.?
                    and also look at the prices of the Indian tender?
                    and more - to ask what EMP does with semiconductors? these "rays" even distant Australia 20 years ago bought from the Russian Federation for only 100.000 bucks
                    1. HAPA
                      HAPA 11 November 2016 00: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Simpsonian
                      During tests for "initial combat readiness" 6-8 pieces of F-35B were based on the ship, they were recognized a year ago as "successful", after which the squadron was removed from the ship ...

                      Not based. And passed the tests. Squadron VMFA-121 "Green Knights" is based at Yuma Air Force Base, Arizona, they were never sprinkled with UDC.
                      Well, exactly you live in a parallel world.

                      Quote: Simpsonian
                      Each F-35C starts to fall apart noticeably from less than 12 landings, they could all fly so much, and most likely this is taking into account non-hooks, which are many times more than hooks.

                      well this is totally ridiculous. Only on DT-III tests this year, more than 124 landing (all successful) on 5 aircraft, and there were 3 such tests.
                      222 more runs with a touch. (brake cables do not stretch)
                      ", 222 touch-and-go landings, and 124 arrested landings."

                      Quote: Simpsonian
                      In 2017 and write, I even know that ... in 2008 the last F-35 was supposed to be delivered to the Pentanog

                      ?????
                      Quote: Simpsonian
                      F-35A eo is the simplest of all,
                      can you tell dviglo in value from a container, etc.?
                      and also look at the prices of the Indian tender?

                      And?
                      F-35B costs 120-130
                      1. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 50
                        0
                        During the test, the base was a ship, but near the shore
                        So the Pentagon wrote a little over a year ago in the news
                        the squadron was like VMX

                        no, this is not funny because of this they will refuse him in 2018-2019, this is a fatal mistake of designers, and why it is clear to every American American pilot-deck, they therefore barely restrain laughter during an interview

                        It will cost under 200 even the F-35A when the "market crashes", the F-35B / C will not be available after 2020
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 10 November 2016 22: 45
                0
                ps I understand correctly, it means now studying and looking for information is bad in the Russian Federation
                If you are looking for "information" solely in order to throw mud at someone and show how "smart" he is, then it's bad. The information should be necessary and objective, but you probably like poking around in a foul-smelling substance.
                straight reserve
                Enjoy, only in moderation. And then I look at someone orgasm will happen soon.
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                2. HAPA
                  HAPA 10 November 2016 23: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  If you are looking for "information" solely in order to throw mud at someone and show how "smart" he is, then it's bad. The information should be necessary and objective, but you probably like poking around in a foul-smelling substance.

                  hmm. good is this objective information? "There are no such planes. But there are planes that are advertised as" the best ", without any reason. If it is the" best ", then only for the price." ? There are no numbers, no references to sources either.
                  I pointed out the erroneousness of such statements and provided real figures nothing more. I do not claim that I don’t know that someone is "the most-most" expensive, strong, beautiful, etc.
                  how is it "really hurts the eye?"
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 23
                    +1
                    see her first ... it would be something to stab
                3. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 11 November 2016 00: 30
                  +1
                  climbing Lokhidov’s (or okololokhidovskimi) sites of this comrade and trying to find truthful information about the F-35, .... wassat
                  such an interesting marketing move does not include the cost of dvigl, when other cheaper planes include it laughing
              3. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 39
                0
                Su-30MKI Indian assembly 4g ago cost 83 million,
                Russian - 50, but not 102

                PySy. two-engine incvluded Kaarl, two laughing

                CASE. after that, the dollar seems to have grown ...

                Are you definitely not a Trotskyist? Because even he is probably far from you and your Lockheed laughing laughing laughing
                1. Simpsonian
                  Simpsonian 11 November 2016 01: 43
                  0
                  in 2014, according to American data, a total of 37.5 million
                2. HAPA
                  HAPA 11 November 2016 10: 25
                  0
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  Su-30MKI Indian assembly 4g ago cost 83 million,
                  Russian - 50, but not 102
                  PySy. two-engine incvluded Kaarl, two
                  CASE. after that, the dollar seems to have grown ...
                  Are you definitely not a Trotskyist? Because even he is probably far from you and your Lockheed

                  links to confirmations will be. And then broadcasting from a parallel world is certainly interesting .... but pointless.
                  1. Simpsonian
                    Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 16
                    0
                    it's all on wikipedia, Carl ... yes
                    inflate the price of the Su-30 in German-Trotskyist two-three times and still not take into account the price of the engine in the F-35, it’s certainly not to roll the bags
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 10 November 2016 23: 34
        +1
        Quote: HAPA
        And who advertises him like that? Can I have a quote?

        Lockheed, you can, go to their site, he now in general only consists of them ... laughing
  28. Orionvit
    Orionvit 11 November 2016 05: 46
    +1
    Quote: HAPA
    how is it "really hurts the eye?"
    Where have you seen the truth in the commercials? A machine that the states forcibly sell to their allies at exorbitant prices, and which these allies cannot refuse. There is nothing to do but praise, otherwise the whole world will laugh at you. You "dear" comrade, start a similar practice, he liked the site, you see. I dare to assure that in addition to all patriotic chants, there is a huge number of really competent specialists on the forum, whom you will not mislead with your pseudo technical chatter. Verdict. The F-35, so far, apart from its price, has not surprised anyone with anything.
    1. HAPA
      HAPA 11 November 2016 10: 23
      0
      Quote: Orionvit
      Where have you seen the truth in commercials? A machine that the states forcefully sell their allies at an exorbitant price, and which these allies cannot refuse.

      Can I have the facts? For two years now there has been an increase in orders.
      For half a year
      Norway +12
      South Korea + 20
      Turkey +15
      Quote: Orionvit
      There is nothing to do but praise, otherwise the whole world will laugh at you. You "dear" comrade, start a similar practice, he liked the site, you see

      What commercials? By the way, are they all lying too?

      Or the policy of double standards about the su-35 is true when praised about the F-35 lie?
      They praise her. But there are no restrictions on the criticism of the project, many reports are freely available. If they were afraid they could easily "under the signature" and that's it. By the way, there is some report about the Su-35.

      Quote: Orionvit
      Verdict. The F-35 aircraft, so far, apart from its price, has not surprised anyone yet.

      Verdict based on what objective facts ? about the price it seems have already figured out.
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 20
        +1
        there is always a lot of advertising in the public domain (and you’re busy with it), only rarely is it true laughing
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 45
        0
        about what were the fall in procurement plans at times laughing of course you don’t write this F-35, you wrote only the growth of their purchase plans in ... pieces yes
      3. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 52
        0
        the verdict is that objectively on this page from your account the American flag in the form of F-35 appeared several times, and the Soviet-Russian one in the form of a head superior to it Su-35 only once.
      4. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 12 November 2016 12: 21
        0
        even at the word "fire" about the F-35, of course you brought a photo of the T50 instead of calling 911 ...
  29. Orionvit
    Orionvit 11 November 2016 14: 14
    0
    Quote: HAPA
    For half a year
    Norway +12
    South Korea + 20
    Turkey +15

    "But they won't take it, we'll turn off the gas." laughing
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 26
      0
      rather, "oil will be found", no one will take Amrams anyway, and if American flying garbage dumps stop taking yeromes, this is quite the edge ...

      it is doubtful that Norway, for example, when it bought the "Chinese" J-11 aircraft, although a military clash between it and the PRC will hardly happen (because it is not a member of ASEAN) laughing
      Well, where is the question "free market?"
      although Greece buys Russian air defense
    2. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 12 November 2016 06: 55
      +1
      otherwise these countries will still have normal weapons, feel strong and declare independence from the USA ... it will be a Masonic catastrophe