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Record grain harvest in Russia. Already found the cons ...

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On the eve of the Ministry of Agriculture of Russia summed up the interim harvest of grain during the harvest campaign 2016 of the year. A small, if I may say so, report on the rates and volumes of harvesting by Russian farmers, peasant farms and large agricultural holdings was presented by the head of the Ministry of Agriculture, Alexander Tkachev. Tkachev spoke about the harvesting data during the round table “Russia on the World Grain Market: Strengthening the Leading Position” to the Russia Today news agency. In turn, this round table was a kind of preparation for the II World Grain Forum, which will be held in Sochi on November 18-19.


According to the Minister of Agriculture, Russia is preparing to report on a record harvest this year. Tkachev says that our country has not collected 38 years of such volumes of grain!

Head Ministry of Agriculture:
In 2016, more than 117 million tons of grain will be harvested in Russia, export of grain crops, according to our forecasts, will reach 35 million tons, while Russia will retain leadership in the supply of wheat, surpassing such major suppliers as the EU and the USA.


Alexander Tkachev:
More in our country were harvested in 1978 year - 127 million tons of grain crops.


The main factors for increasing the volume of harvested grain, according to the head of the department, were factors associated with increased yields. If even 10-15 years ago, with significant acreage, the average yield in the country did not exceed 17 c per hectare, but today it has exceeded 27 c / ha. In global terms, this is a relatively average result. However, there is also a major growth factor in the percentage of acreage in the Russian Federation. In other words, where a few years ago there were “dead” lands (overgrown with weeds), today there is wheat, rye, barley, and other grains. Vacant farmland is really less. And this is an indisputable fact.

The Minister of Agriculture has determined the development priorities of the industry. According to him, in order to increase the Russian share in the world market of grain and other crops, Russia needs to actively increase the production and use of fertilizers. Tkachev noted that today, producing about 20 million tons of fertilizers, only 2,6 million tons are used domestically. This is about 33 kg on 1 hectares of arable land. According to Tkachev, in the conditions of global competition, this is clearly not enough. Figures for the use of fertilizers by other countries producing agricultural products are given. So, China and Vietnam are among the leaders in fertilizer application - as many as 360 kg per 1 ha of arable land. This is followed by Poland and Germany - almost 200 kg / ha. In India and Brazil, figures are about 170 kg / ha, and in the US and Canada, 130 and 88 kg / ha, respectively.

At the same time, it is undesirable to “overdo it” with fertilizers. After all, Russian products are distinguished by their high environmental friendliness, in contrast to, for example, that they are produced in certain regions of China, where they manage to grow crops without using natural soils, replacing them with “chemistries” produced in industrial conditions. That is, we need to find a balance between the use of fertilizers, their types, crop yields and the environmental acceptability of grown grain for human consumption without threats to human health. But then the situation can be reduced to an absurdity, when instead of cereals on a huge scale, such zombie plants will be grown, really “not knowing" the natural soil. Thank God, in Russia so far far away. But we are talking about competition in the global market. And there everything is possible ... Including Chinese know-how to create artificial chicken eggs ...

During the round table, the long-term development strategy of the grain complex of the Russian Federation was discussed. We are talking about a strategy up to 2030 of the year, providing for a steady increase in the volume of grain harvest to 130-150 million tons.

Alexander Tkachev:
We can collect even more and set ourselves such a goal. By 2030, the gross grain harvest can be increased to 150 million tons by increasing yields to 30 centners per hectare and increasing the acreage by 10 million hectares. This will provide an opportunity to cover the growing needs of livestock, which is growing steadily by 5% per year, and to double export.


Record grain harvest in Russia. Already found the cons ...


Against this background, in the publication "Gazeta.ru," a material came out, which declares that it is not worth rejoicing over the record grain harvest in Russia. The article, written by Elena Platonova, states that the 2016 year becomes the year when the volumes of grain grown do not correspond to the possibilities for its preservation. The author of the material claims that the “capacity” for storing grain amounts to about 115 million tons, and the crop, let me remind you, is more than 118 million tons. This leads to higher prices. Logic in Gazeta.ru this is presented: less storage - higher prices for grain storage services - higher prices for final products (for example, for bread). The data of analysts from ProZerno are cited: with the price of wheat 8-10 thousand rubles. per ton, the elevator services for receiving, storing and dispensing cereals make up about 10% of this amount (about 1 thousand rubles).

President of the Russian Grain Union Arkady Zlochevsky:
The size of the deficit is huge. This year, it is expected that up to 118 million tons of grain harvest, add to this another 16 million tons of carryover stocks. At the same time, the storage capacity is not more than 120 million tons, moreover, they are not distributed in accordance with the production base. We need to develop a warehouse base for grain producers. But farmers on the construction of elevators are not solved. It is expensive to build an elevator, it will pay off in 15 – 20 years.

In general, the situation for our country over the past few years is approximately as follows:

a bad harvest is bad, because there may not be enough bread for everyone, you have to buy grain abroad, which means that bread will rise in price;
a great harvest is also bad, since grain is “no place to store”, and therefore bread will also go up in price ...

It seems that in the same Russian Grain Union they do not adhere to any strategy and only quietly expect average values ​​for the collection, so as not to buy grain - once, and it was, where to store - two. In fact, it is strange ... After all, if there are really not enough storages, then it turns out that none of the responsible persons took any measures at all to ensure that they were enough. Have you waited? .. So, is it? .. Or is it the purpose of these most responsible persons to increase the price of grain for domestic consumption, regardless of crops and storage volumes? If yes, then is it time to make certain “organizational conclusions” ...
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  1. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 9 November 2016 06: 27
    +5
    There are two more troubles in Russia - crop and crop failure. There is a solution, it is necessary to build inexpensive barns of their designs and projects a lot and they are much cheaper than elevators. The only thing that is not very convenient during such storage is to constantly raise the grain and organize good ventilation, and accordingly protect it from rodents and birds, all this can be solved.
    1. Krabik
      Krabik 9 November 2016 08: 51
      +19
      I propose to build elevators, and take the money for the construction from the stabilization fund or reduce the purchase of state. US bonds to the size of constructed elevators.

      Saved the same currency for the purchase of products over the hill can be returned back to Amer.
      1. wei
        wei 9 November 2016 13: 54
        +2
        So exactly hi
        before that there was "TROUBLE" with potatoes ...
        The farmer almost cried because the crop was good = low purchase price = he won’t return the money to the bank (he took it for sowing) = the bank takes the land for debts = land for the bank is a non-core (bad) asset =. The bank is also in .....
        There was a real promise to squeeze out merchants with imported chips at a time, but no, they decided to just take half the potatoes
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 9 November 2016 15: 28
          +2
          The bank doesn’t care whether they return the money to him or not.

          He does not give out his money and not even his own insured.
          The more a bank lends out, the more assets the bank will have.

          But farmers need to be helped so that he does not have such a headache.

          I heard that the exchange was launched, I do not know if it works or not now.
      2. Alexey M
        Alexey M 11 November 2016 10: 22
        +1
        I propose to build elevators, and take the money for the construction from the stabilization fund or reduce the purchase of state. US bonds to the size of constructed elevators.
        YES my friend is not a patriot of his country? It’s like not buying this ablation, you still tell me to introduce a progressive tax and distribute equipment to farmers for free.
        I’m wondering how much grain will go over the hillock then? And why will it be sold domestically?
    2. RBLip
      RBLip 9 November 2016 09: 37
      +8
      Quote: Tatar 174
      There are two more misfortunes in Russia - harvest and crop failure.

      yes such troubles can not be counted. what about gasoline prices? and exchange rates? what about taxes? and "support" for "small" business? and the total destruction of health care and science? and the attitude of the state towards Russians and other nationalities (what kind of trend is a Russian?) is so offhand. Russia is a country of contrasts ...
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 9 November 2016 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Tatar 174
      There are two more misfortunes in Russia - harvest and crop failure.

      We also have winter every year for our government is a complete surprise. With fish the same trouble as with grain. Almost every Putin is reported on record catches, but the fish on the shelves no longer become because, due to the lack of processing and storage capacities, they are selling it to China.
    4. sherp2015
      sherp2015 9 November 2016 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Tatar 174
      There are two more troubles in Russia - crop and crop failure


      Harvest is a record, and prices are rising.
      Although under the current authorities, officials and deputies it is not surprising. They are far from the people
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 9 November 2016 11: 14
        0
        And the prices for goods in Russia do not depend on the authorities and officials - they depend on speculators - from small to large.
        1. Alexey M
          Alexey M 11 November 2016 10: 26
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          And the prices for goods in Russia do not depend on the authorities and officials - they depend on speculators - from small to large.

          And what about the tax, the police, the Federal Antimonopoly Service, the Investigative Committee? That’s the government that allows prices to rise because everyone is tied up there. They don’t live on a salary.
      2. Mushroom
        Mushroom 11 November 2016 19: 39
        +1
        and eat bread from grain 4-5 categories -for cattle-scream-sowing-results !!
    5. Kolya
      Kolya 10 November 2016 02: 19
      +1
      Agricultural holdings in conjunction with "responsible persons" stand between harvest and crop failure. They control the granaries which are really enough. On the other hand, there are farmers who have two choices and both are bad for them, either to store on film in a hangar with deteriorating grain quality, or to hand it over to an elevator and lose a significant part of their income. In Russia, everything is done so that the money remains with the "responsible person".
    6. Prince of Pensions
      Prince of Pensions 10 November 2016 18: 13
      0
      And good security must be organized.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 9 November 2016 06: 31
    +12
    The question is, where will this grain be, and to whom is it intended? That's right, in the ports .. And should Tkachev give a certificate of how much grain was collected for fodder for animal husbandry? This is for us, for Russia.
    1. Uncle Murzik
      Uncle Murzik 9 November 2016 07: 28
      +2
      judging by the record harvests in Russia, we should better heal, especially the village! belay but there is something that is not visible! and how "huge" harvests affect the budget? wassat
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 9 November 2016 09: 20
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        judging by the record harvests in Russia, we should heal better, especially the village! but there is something that is not visible! and how "huge" harvests affect the budget?

        Yes, and the price of bread and all sorts of pasta, something is growing request
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 9 November 2016 09: 32
          0
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          judging by the record harvests in Russia, we should heal better, especially the village! but there is something that is not visible! and how "huge" harvests affect the budget?

          Yes, and the price of bread and all sorts of pastasomething everyone grows request


          Quote: V. Vysotsky "Song of rumors"
          ... well, now the bread is from fish scales ...


          laughing laughing laughing
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 9 November 2016 10: 34
            +4
            For the whole post, which is about nothing - something:
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 November 2016 10: 42
              +1
              - nifiga off topic
              - nobody scratches anywhere
              - just tired of "Yaroslavna's crying" permanent (yours, by the way, too), so I decided to dilute with the classics

              Quote: EvgNik
              The bread in the store is absolutely inedible. Flour "top grade" is below any criticism, the dough from it "floats". Under the guise of the "highest category" and 1st grade, flour of 5-6 categories is sold, the state is allowed

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Quote: V. Vysotsky "Song of rumors"

              ... well, now the bread is from fish scales ...
      2. 210ox
        210ox 9 November 2016 12: 37
        +4
        And whose huge harvests are these? These are the profits of large agricultural holdings, by the way, and with foreign capital together.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 9 November 2016 07: 31
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      Where will this grain be, and to whom is it intended?

      The bread in the store is absolutely inedible. Flour "top grade" is below any criticism, the dough from it "floats". Under the guise of "the highest category" and 1st grade, flour of 5-6 categories is sold, the state is allowed.
      1. woron333444
        woron333444 9 November 2016 08: 21
        +3
        At our place, a 1,5kg bread machine. Fine bread and Aleiskzernoproduct flour. I only know that they are supplying noodles to China. Prices have not risen.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 9 November 2016 10: 12
          +1
          Quote: woron333444
          Fine bread and flour Aleiskzernoproduct

          Congratulations, you're in luck. We have all the imported flour. Prices have risen, but for the ruble, which is offset by the fact that we hardly buy bread.
          1. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 10 November 2016 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: EvgNik
            Prices have risen, but for the ruble, which is offset by the fact that we hardly buy bread.

            And we buy, only he grows moldy in the evening, but we know this is the machinations of enemies. am
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 10 November 2016 13: 54
              +1
              Quote: PHANTOM-AS
              And we buy, only in the evening he is moldy

              Vitya, similarly. The wife cuts finely and dries in the oven, Then you can add crackers to the soup, the younger grandson loves them very much. Otherwise, nothing.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 10 November 2016 16: 02
                +1
                Quote: EvgNik
                itya, similarly. The wife cuts finely and dries in the oven, Then you can add crackers to the soup, the younger grandson loves them very much. Otherwise, nothing.

                It turns out that they feed us fodder, and grain with high gluten is driven west.
                1. EvgNik
                  EvgNik 10 November 2016 16: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                  It turns out that they feed us fodder, and grain with high gluten is driven west.

                  And there is. It was decided at the highest level, I read it for a long time. Now I don’t remember where.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 10 November 2016 16: 52
                    0
                    Quote: EvgNik
                    Solved at the highest level

                    If you only knew how tired they all are to me !!!!!
      2. De laert
        De laert 10 November 2016 16: 59
        0
        The bread that is now being sold is made in part from waste. Suppliers pick up expired, moldy bread, then process it and add it to the finished product again.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 10 November 2016 17: 02
          0
          Quote: De Laert
          Suppliers pick up expired, moldy bread ...

          - it’s already funny ... can you imagine the costs of this operation?

          Quote: De Laert
          then they process it and add it to the finished product again

          - mdy ...
          - how do we confirm the market? Yap... negative

          And "in real life" everything is something like this:

          - a hundred meters from the house - "Pyaterochka" and "Attack"
          - all the "delay" from them (something that has expired, well, given that they know how to re-stick labels) flies to the nearest garbage can
          - and bread, and meatballs in packages, and chicken in the same packages ... all-all-all
          - to the great joy of the local homeless people and other ... poor

          That's something like yes
          1. De laert
            De laert 11 November 2016 07: 12
            +1
            Although you communicate via the Internet, do not forget about respect for the interlocutor.
            Bread (I'm talking about it, and not about the rest of the delay) is thrown out that which is not returned by agreement with the supplier. Large suppliers of bread are taken back.
            For the sake of truth, it is worth noting that on the Internet I did not find confirmation of information about processing, although the equipment is sold (for processing old bread).
            I heard such information from people who take this delay to the factories.
            And processing is not an expensive procedure (it is dried and ground to add to flour)
    3. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 9 November 2016 12: 03
      +6
      210ox
      The question is, where will this grain be, and to whom is it intended? That's right, in the ports .. And should Tkachev give a certificate of how much grain was collected for fodder for animal husbandry? This is for us, for Russia.


      That's right! To solve all food issues (according to a scientifically based norm), the country must produce and use in the domestic market up to 1 ton of grain per one inhabitant ... we must consume 145 million tons of grain for food, for fattening livestock for meat and dairy products, etc. Produced 117 ... minus up to 40 million tons for export beyond the "hillock" (which is the same to support the manufacturer) ... So the country remains only in the region of 75 million tons ... It turns out that we have 50 % provides both the food industry ... and the fodder base for the production of milk and meat ... FROM HERE ... due to a shortage of production, which means a shortage of goods ... AND THIS MEANS HIGH PRICES !!!! It turns out that, advocating the export of 40 million tons of grain, Mr. TKACHEV consciously cares, first of all, not for the population of the country, but for the new LAFUNDISTS, OF WHICH INCLUDE AND HE IS THE MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE (in the Kuban, the Tkachev family owns more than 220 thousand hectares of arable land)., Who seized most of the agricultural land ...
      After all, your shirt is always closer to the body!
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 9 November 2016 06: 40
    +1
    [Including Chinese know-how to create artificial eggs ...

    quote] One kilogram of natural eggs costs six and a half yuan. And 55 fans (0,55 yuan) are spent on the production of a kilogram of artificial ones. The shop, in which the Chinese worked, made a thousand eggs a day, having a net income of over one hundred yuan from them. (100 yuan = 450 rubles). [/ Quote]

    Well, the Chinas are stuffing all kinds of rubbish to people ...
    http://www.daokedao.ru/2009/06/30/kak-kitajcy-pod
    delyvayut-yajca /
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 November 2016 07: 44
      +1
      Where have you seen such a renminbi? 100 yuan = 940 rubles!
      1. Tibidokh
        Tibidokh 10 November 2016 01: 54
        0
        In the year 2008! laughing
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 November 2016 06: 41
    +5
    "One gets the impression that in the same Russian Grain Union they do not adhere to any strategy and only quietly wait for average values ​​in terms of harvest volumes, so as not to buy grain - once, and there was where to store - two. In fact, it is strange ... After all, if storage facilities is really not enough, it turns out that none of the responsible persons took absolutely no measures in time to ensure that they still had enough. They did not wait? .. So, what ?. "

    If I were the author, I would not draw such conclusions on the basis of the "reflections" of the authors from Gazeta.ru. For some, the main thing is to reveal some "terrible secret" with a gloomy look and be the first to shout "Help!"
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 9 November 2016 07: 11
      +5
      Well, since the Krasnodar Territory we have "both a granary and a health resort", even partly a "smithy" (C), I can say that there are actually a lot of elevators abandoned for various reasons in Adygea, to which it would be worthwhile to lay hands and renovate. You look, there would be more storage facilities.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 9 November 2016 07: 16
        +3
        Quote: inkass_98
        around the edge and in Adygea there are actually a lot of elevators abandoned for various reasons, to which it would be worthwhile to put their hands and repair. You see, more storage would be added.

        If there was a request, I think that they would have repaired, so there is enough capacity. And besides, it’s easier and cheaper to build a new elevator than to restore an old one, the requirements for storing and processing grain are different now.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 9 November 2016 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      If I were the author, I would not draw such conclusions on the basis of the "reflections" of the authors from Gazeta.ru.

      Normal conclusions. Feed grain increased by 20-30% compared to last year, and this dragged up the price of other feed-bound products. Have you bought butter for a long time?
      The grain union still has a strategy - to cut down more dough. It is necessary to legally oblige the grain union to first provide the domestic market, and at last year’s prices. And please sell the surplus. hi
    3. ssergn
      ssergn 9 November 2016 09: 15
      +5
      Newspaper.ru, Rosbalt, RBC, Vedomosti is a single field berry. They don’t want to see anything good in Russia. Even if something good happens, pay attention to how they cover it - with such tired lazy contempt and debt.

      And on the topic - I was in the Kuban for two years in a row, elevators are building, they are building. I saw new ones myself. Just not so large. This is only possible for large agricultural corporations or .... the state. and the authorities should think about it. Since elevators are not one dozen million rubles each.

      Here you will find about the new elevators in the country:

      http://sdelanounas.ru/sphinxsearch/?s=%D0%AD%D0%B
      B%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80

      Pysy:

      Well, what kind of people did we go, instead of believing each writer, to search, to think for ourselves. Especially in our time, the availability of information.
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 9 November 2016 09: 29
        0
        If the link doesn’t work, look for the elevator on SUN
    4. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 9 November 2016 15: 28
      +1
      If I were the author, I would not draw such conclusions on the basis of the "reflections" of the authors from Gazeta.ru. For some, the main thing is to reveal some "terrible secret" with a gloomy look and be the first to shout "Help!"
      Especially if you know that grain is harvested within 3-4 months and, accordingly, part of the harvest for these months is eaten inside the country and sold for the "cordon"
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 9 November 2016 06: 46
    +5
    Alexey, thanks for the article, I’ll just say while the authorities are mostly random and not professionals, there can’t be, according to the definition of sensible ministers, in the country. Functional with the habits of a hapalist is not a minister, and others will not be allowed to power - what if they prohibit stealing?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 9 November 2016 06: 57
      +6
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Alexey, thanks for the article, I’ll just say while the authorities are mostly random and not professionals, there can’t be, according to the definition of sensible ministers, in the country.

      Whether the case is Elena Platonova, the ministers of the village of Duraka do not know that there is no place to store grain, and therefore they limit deliveries abroad. smile
      1. ssergn
        ssergn 9 November 2016 09: 17
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Is it the case of Elena Platonova,



        Exactly. There’s nothing to read any muck in the morning laughing
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 9 November 2016 06: 46
    +2
    For some time now, the minuses have disappeared on the site. And in the crop were found.
  7. yawa63
    yawa63 9 November 2016 06: 47
    +6
    After the appointment of "Sasha-Khvat" to the post of minister, the people in the Kuban sighed - now not only in the Krasnodar Territory, but throughout Russia, African swine fever will be found to please Agrocomplex, so friends - get ready!
  8. BABA SHURA
    BABA SHURA 9 November 2016 06: 51
    +4
    I wonder if this person wants to poison us? He gives examples of fertilizers from China, and he is familiar with reports on the rate of killing of fertile land in the country of "example"? Can you take care of the "purity" of the grain?
  9. Amurets
    Amurets 9 November 2016 07: 00
    +2
    In general, the situation for our country over the past few years is approximately as follows:

    a bad harvest is bad, because there may not be enough bread for everyone, you have to buy grain abroad, which means that bread will rise in price;
    a great harvest is also bad, since grain is “no place to store”, and therefore bread will also go up in price ...

    As far as I remember, this problem has existed since the organization of collective farms. Since the 30s of the last century.
  10. Knowing
    Knowing 9 November 2016 07: 01
    +1
    And why did Alexander Tkachev dragged 1978, when 127 million tons were collected ... In those distant times we lived in the USSR, the sown area was "a little bit" more ... And don't let us collect so much now, ide they will keep, but ... recourse request
  11. Nix1986
    Nix1986 9 November 2016 07: 09
    +2
    I think the matter is not only in the long payback of the elevator, it is a risky investment, there must also be confidence and good predictability that the harvesting result will be sold at the predicted price, i.e. literally, if I invest in an elevator - I have to be sure that in the relatively long term my grain will be bought and not lower than the predicted price (so that I at least go to zero). But we have many risk factors, this is tax law, which cannot be settled in any way, this is a constant increase in fuel prices, these are external factors, there was a devaluation 2 years ago, which means that all equipment and spare parts will soar in price by 2 times (almost all imported equipment with good performance - John Deere, FMS, New Holland). Like any business with a long investment term, the most important thing is stability!
  12. Cat man null
    Cat man null 9 November 2016 07: 15
    +8
    Another stuffing-in from Volodin. Give him "organizational conclusions", yeah wink

    Tkachev noted that today, producing about 20 million tons of fertilizer, only 2,6 million tons are used domestically. This is about 33 kg per 1 ha of arable land. According to Tkachev, in conditions of global competition this is clearly not enough.

    ... Poland and Germany - almost 200 kg / ha. In India and Brazil, indicators are about 170 kg / ha, and in the USA and Canada - 130 and 88 kg / ha, respectively

    - a hectare is 100 x 100 meters. Presented?
    - 50 kg is ONE bag. Fertilizer, Carl !! Not pesticides - fertilizers. Mineral and others there ... nitrogenous
    - even 200 kg, as in Germany (which are obsessed with "product purity" specifically - they have their own, and very strict standards on this topic in the EU) - this is very little.
    - Spread evenly 4 bags per hectare. Get some molecules per square meter in total
    - and it turns out that Tkachev is right here. That's just right around yes
    - and the howl rose - "oh, right now they will all poison us" ... they will poison us, yeah fool
    - and so - well - let’s give up agricultural equipment for better cleanliness of production (it stinks, it’s not environmentally friendly), we will plow a horse, a plow. No such desire yet?

    Ugh ... not IN, but a madhouse on the road negative
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 9 November 2016 08: 26
      +4
      It's just that people, except in a computer and the earth, have not seen. This is not a classmate to plant gardens.
    2. ssergn
      ssergn 9 November 2016 09: 36
      +1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      a madhouse on the road



      The novel, it’s so difficult to think, but also to count the amount of fertilizer. This is hellish labor. laughing
      I agree with you, madhouse and only.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 09: 48
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Another stuffing-in from Volodin. Give him "organizational conclusions", yeah

      Do not scold Volodin, he is good, he just can’t go to analytics. Well, you need to think about it, read a lot of all kinds of boring books and other documents that people who communicate with are specialists in this matter. The wagon will leave time. For which you can catch another hundred articles of this kind sprinkled. So I would be engaged in news journalism and everything would be just wonderful, but no, the author stubbornly crawls into analytics, for which he, as well as many others, will be objective, without abilities.
      1. Volodin
        9 November 2016 13: 19
        +4
        Well, everything ... The soul rushed to heaven. "Our" mega IksperDs came, who, having learned to read materials diagonally, are pouring conclusions. Well, all around there is a "dense forest", they are the only "great tacticians and strategists" who know where they can and who cannot.

        That would be engaged in news journalism and it would be

        As the well-known person says: teach your wife to cook soup.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 14: 13
          0
          Quote: Volodin
          As the well-known person says: teach your wife to cook soup.

          What a touchy journalist with a claim to analytics. smile Volodin, unlike you, I do not write amateurish articles in the "analytics" section. If you really want to express your opinion, write to the section "opinions". Then there will be no such claims to you. If you write in the "analytics" section, please, submit this very analytics. And not two, three facts and based on their global conclusions. But this is long, boring and boring and you have to think, in principle, I understand you. And do not be offended and call names like a child, if you write not only for yourself, be ready for criticism.
          1. Volodin
            9 November 2016 14: 24
            +3
            If you really want to express your opinion, write to the section "opinions".


            For the gifted, gifted, one more time:
            Do not advise me what to do, and I will not tell you where to go.

            On the site - democracy: interesting - read, not interesting - do not read. If you are going to comment, then I hope you do not need to explain what is the scope of decency, so that later you will not be balked at how your words were answered ..
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 14: 40
              +2
              Quote: Volodin
              For the gifted, gifted, one more time:
              Do not advise me what to do, and I will not tell you where to go.

              Is that so? smile Do not like criticism? Waiting for universal approval? Well, sorry for this article, you will not get approval from me.
              Quote: Volodin
              There is democracy on the site: interesting - read, not interesting - do not read.

              I would not say that. But if you talked about this, then here is the democratic advice from you yourself regarding my comments.
              Quote: Volodin
              interesting - read, not interesting - do not read.

              Quote: Volodin
              If you are going to comment, then I hope you should not explain what the limits of decency are, so that later you won’t be overwhelmed about how your words were answered ..

              I do not seem to offend you in any way, if you think that this is not so, tell me when and where it was.
              1. Volodin
                9 November 2016 14: 49
                +2
                Is that so? smile Criticism do not like? (...)

                You know very well that criticism has nothing to do with it. In your comment, it is absolute zero, because criticism is what is called when a person with his arguments opposes the arguments of another person. And now re-read your comment and find in it at least one word of criticism, at least one compelling argument, and not bazaar claims in the style of "sprinkled", "climbs" and in which section you need to publish.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 15: 14
                  +1
                  All right.
                  One gets the impression that in the same Russian Grain Union they do not adhere to any strategy and only quietly expect average values ​​for harvest volumes, so as not to purchase grain - once, and there were two where to store it.

                  Where does this impression come from? For example, I do not see that it develops from where and where.
                  After all, if the storage facilities are really in short supply, it turns out that none of the responsible persons on time took absolutely any measures to ensure that they were enough. Didn’t they wait? .. So what? .. Or is the goal of these very responsible people that the price of grain for domestic consumption grow regardless of the harvest and storage volumes?

                  Is it necessary to immediately look for the enemies of the people? And yes, you definitely know that no measures have been taken? Maybe they were, but it turned out as always?
                  If so, is it time to make certain "organizational conclusions" ...

                  What kind? Shoot all, imprison, dismiss? Here are some?
                  For analytics, figures and facts are not enough. And if the opinion of the president of the Russian grain union can still be somehow taken into account, then who is Elena Platonova and where did she get her numbers a big question.
                  1. Volodin
                    9 November 2016 15: 25
                    +2
                    You see. It turns out that it was possible to do without the bazaarschina ...

                    And about your
                    For analysts, not enough numbers and facts
                    I expect from you, as a major specialist in analytical materials, encyclopedic data on exactly how many figures and facts are needed in an article so that you personally "count" it as an analytical one))
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 15: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: Volodin
                      I expect from you, as a major specialist in analytical materials, encyclopedic data on exactly how many figures and facts are needed in an article so that you personally "count" it as an analytical one))

                      Exactly in grams? smile Alas, I am not a specialist in analytical materials and I have no encyclopedic data. This is purely my personal subjective opinion. I just want to know more numbers and facts on this topic. There are all kinds of graphs, comparisons to catch up and overtake. smile
                      1. Volodin
                        9 November 2016 15: 55
                        +3
                        Took into account your opinion :) In general, we notably debated ...
    4. BABA SHURA
      BABA SHURA 9 November 2016 11: 45
      +1
      Mineral fertilizers (and organic) in crop rotation are used in a specific system, called a fertilization system, which provides for their distribution by fields, rates, timing and methods of application, determined according to agrochemical soil analysis and the results of field experiments. Average rates of Mineral fertilizers in the USSR (in kg / ha): 30-100 N, 30-60 P2O5 and 45-90 K2O; of course, more could be said. For example, excessive doses, poor embedding) can reduce soil fertility, cause death of plants and animals, pollution of rivers and water bodies. Each country has its own soil-dependent norms. And further. As an option. If the income from the sale of mineral fertilizers is higher than from the sale of agricultural products, then why bother?
    5. Volodin
      9 November 2016 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      and it turns out that Tkachev is right here. That's just a circle of rights

      A reference to at least the only place in the material where it would be said that "Tkachev is wrong" - to the studio.

      The desire to scribble comments, reading articles through a stump-deck, gives you, my dear, from the "tail" to the head.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 November 2016 07: 56
    +1
    This is all nonsense about the lack of storage. And who needs to build elevators? Specifically. Farmers? I have a bad idea of ​​a structure that buys and stores grain, to whom it BELONGS, who and how sells grain "abroad". And stop listening to all sorts of nonsense. When else was the EXCESS of food in the way of the country? We have EXPORT OF MEAT! serious has already begun, not only grain.
    And so that detractors do not weave, the FOOD security of Russia is now seen much more clearly than in 1990.
    1. basmach
      basmach 9 November 2016 09: 38
      +6
      Meat exports began against the backdrop of a decline in domestic consumption. Everything according to Vyshnegorodsky - "We will not finish eating, but we will take out!"
  14. BARKAS
    BARKAS 9 November 2016 08: 09
    0
    fewer storages - higher price for grain storage services - higher price for final products (for example, bread).

    But in fact it turns out that the more storage the higher the price of grain, the more expensive the grain, the better the farmers.
  15. FREGATEN
    FREGATEN 9 November 2016 08: 16
    +4
    I do not know how much was collected and exported there ... I only know that we have a loaf of "Darnitskiy" for these one and a half or two year increased in price two times........All the rest .........
  16. andrewkor
    andrewkor 9 November 2016 08: 53
    +3
    As a student, I learned at a lecture on Political Economy that in order to meet the needs of people and cattle with poultry, it is necessary to collect an average of 1000 kg of grain per person per year!
  17. CONTROL
    CONTROL 9 November 2016 09: 17
    +3
    In the price of bread (and especially meat, etc.) the price of grain as such is good if 15% ... And so - and less!
    The rest is energy costs, transport, living labor ... And their prices in the country - and in the world! - are constantly growing!
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 9 November 2016 12: 46
      +1
      Finally, a common voice broke through the "specialists" in agriculture.
  18. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 9 November 2016 10: 19
    +3
    Thieves live and thrive. Whatever happens, there is always only a price increase. Although with such a roof, do anything. You will not answer.
  19. ARES623
    ARES623 9 November 2016 11: 56
    +1
    This "sore" is many, many years old. Even when the virgin lands were plowed up, most of the harvest from it was lost due to the lack of storage facilities and roads to them. Throughout the 20th century, more than a third of the crop rotted during winter storage. And for an excess of fixed assets, which are storage facilities, you have to pay taxes. Therefore, empty storage facilities bring tangible losses. We have many economic universities, including those under the President of the Russian Federation and under the Government of the Russian Federation, and no one can adjust the economic system so that it is profitable to work in the real sector of the economy. The proposals to build inexpensive barns come from people who are far from the problem. These "barns" are fairly high-tech facilities, not cheap. It is necessary to make sure that even in times of poor harvest, they would not let their owners "around the world". We still have a zone of risky farming, a year of a big harvest may be followed by a year with a completely barren harvest. Therefore, it makes sense to worry about "safety" food supplies.
  20. GUGA
    GUGA 9 November 2016 13: 16
    +2
    This problem has been identified for a long time - no less than 5 years. Soviet elevators have long been outdated. Their services are expensive mainly due to the economic inefficiency of energy use - outdated equipment, dilapidation. New are under construction, expensive. The approximate cost of 1 ton of storage is 100-120 US dollars. The complex for 50 tons (not as much as it seems) comes out 000-5 million dollars. Payback period of 6 years. Shelf life up to 5 year. Not every holding company can afford it, what can we say about small producers. Someone forced to build elevators? But everything is private with us. How can a private trader be forced? It is easier for the manufacturer to immediately sell grain - to pay loans, repair equipment, purchase a new one, etc. There are two options: 1. Release the price of bread (yes, they are regulated by the state). Get a loaf of bread for 1 r. But in agriculture there will be an economic boom. The state will not do this - they will sweep away. 100. State subsidies. At least 2%. Then the farmers somehow stir. The question is where to get the money? They started, for example, to subsidize. The producer will begin to lay grain for storage and sell at the maximum price. Are you ready for a 40% increase in bread prices?
    Reflection: such a harvest was achieved at the expense of fodder grain and grain of the 3rd and 4th class. Moreover, of low quality. They are easier and cheaper to grow. Grain 1 class has not been grown in our country for a long time, class 2 takes only 1%. It is not profitable to deal with them - it is economically ineffective. So we have poor quality bread. Do you want a Soviet "brick"? Are you ready to pay 130 rubles for it?
  21. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 9 November 2016 14: 50
    +4
    Or is the goal of these very responsible people that the price of cereals for domestic consumption grow regardless of the yield and storage volume? If so, is it time to make certain "organizational conclusions" ...

    So the goal of the government is to do nothing to solve problems in the economy, because the long arm of the market itself will organize and settle everything. And so sit in a soft chair and hug the secretary - everything will happen by itself! laughing
  22. akudr48
    akudr48 9 November 2016 16: 23
    +1
    For serious thoughts on a serious topic - the grain harvest, it is necessary to remember about the quality of bread for the people and about its value. Even with a super-harvest, waiting for a drop or at least stabilizing the price of a loaf of bread is useless.

    Since bread is not only the head of everything, but also the product of commercial profit, the borders of which our gluttonous elite do not know. And she doesn’t want to know, therefore it is not surprising that a sufficient volume of the granary was not prepared for the harvest. It’s better to rot than to lose the price of a loaf, this is how it turns out in a great country with great leaders ...
  23. demotivator
    demotivator 9 November 2016 16: 53
    0
    a bad harvest is bad, because there may not be enough bread for everyone, you have to buy grain abroad, which means that bread will rise in price;
    a great harvest is also bad, since grain is “no place to store”, and therefore bread will also go up in price ...
    I’m also a curiosity. Russia is a country of paradoxes. Oil is expensive, so gasoline is expensive too. Oil is cheap, and gasoline is getting more expensive again, because ..., well, just because. Trying to establish any interconnections and logical chains here is useless. You just have to firmly grasp one rule, as soon as the TV starts trying to get some success, know that prices will rise again and taxes will be raised. For all!
  24. fa2998
    fa2998 9 November 2016 16: 56
    +2
    Quote: Volodin
    In general, we nobly debated ...

    What's the problem? Is there no place to store grain? But with an average yield, there is enough capacity. And these reserves are enough for the country to live up to the next harvest. Moreover, transitional stocks (10-15 million tons) are formed from year to year. So why are there extra elevators. And if the crop is bad, will they be half empty? The country's population has not changed dramatically, the existing capacities are enough. Of course, you need to build new storage instead of old ones that no longer meet the requirements.
    And the grain of "record" harvests is superfluous in the country. If our livestock breeders do not need, then export. Better grain than oil and gas, it is at least renewed! hi
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 9 November 2016 18: 57
      0
      Quote: fa2998
      So why the extra elevators.

      New elevators will not be superfluous. They should be built on the future, here in the article why.
      By 2030, it is possible to increase the gross grain harvest to 150 million tons due to an increase in productivity to 30 centners per hectare and an increase in sown area by 10 million hectares. This will provide an opportunity to cover the growing needs of livestock, which is growing steadily by 5% per year, and double export.
  25. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 9 November 2016 17: 04
    +1
    Or is the goal of these very responsible people that the price of cereals for domestic consumption grow regardless of the yield and storage volume?
    - yes. Tkachev taxis. He forbade pigs to be kept mere mortals in the Kuban, then dumped in Moscow ... became the Minister ...
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 9 November 2016 18: 09
      +2
      If two months ago everyone predicted a huge harvest of 105 million tons, then the latest estimates of grain harvest are 115 and even 118 million tons, of which 70 million tons of wheat. This is a record for the entire market history of the development of the grain industry.
      As you know, a large crop is no less a problem than a crop failure. First of all, because prices are going down sharply. So, 3rd grade wheat today costs about 9000 rubles per ton (in dollars this is the historical minimum price for Russian grain), and it has lost 2400 rubles in less than two months, and the price of 4th grade wheat reaches 8000. and the fall in prices since the beginning of the harvest amounted to 2600 rubles per ton. Export demand, supported by a slight increase in prices, today is mainly concentrated on the highest quality wheat with a protein level of 12,5% ​​or higher (in quality it is already closer to wheat of the 2nd class). And only for it there is a slight increase in prices in regions close to the export gate. Over the years of growing exports, Russia has increased its status in the world market in terms of wheat quality: we started trading in cheap wheat with a 10% protein share, and today, according to the president of the Russian Grain Union, Arkady Zlochevsky, the quality of wheat has grown, buyers are already used to it and present demand for it. However, the volume of high protein wheat in conditions of high productivity is small, it is not possible to rely on it. This year, the crop breaks records all over the world, in particular, wheat and corn were unprecedented well. Therefore, all countries have announced large stocks at the end of the season, and low prices will put pressure on the market all season. And the cost of grain on the Russian market of 8000 rubles and below (per fodder) is already close to the cost of production, which this season increased from 6,5 to 7,5 rubles per kilogram.
      The grain export record for the 2015–2016 season was primarily ensured by the devaluation of the ruble, which the food sanctions policy presented to the market. As a result, Russian grain became competitive in price, while on the eve of the devaluation, Russia was losing to competitors in the world market. However, one should not wait for the development of these advantages in the long run: the ruble is gradually strengthening, world food prices are at record minimum levels and continue to decline. In addition, today the effects of the floating export duty introduced by the government a year ago are already manifesting themselves in full force.
      http://expert.ru/expert/2016/35/urozhaj-zernovyih
      -tsena-rekordov /
      Russia accounts for 6% of all cultivated land in the world (79 million hectares). They are concentrated mainly in three regions: Krasnodar Territory, Rostov and Stavropol Regions. However, paradoxically, these regions were in a difficult position due to low prices in the world market. At the same time, producers need to invest in storage and logistics if they want to increase yields. Some organizations are mired in debt and dangerously close to the threshold of profitability. In addition to everything, they are taxed by Moscow, which was introduced to avoid price hikes in the domestic market due to the depreciation of the ruble.
      The grain boom opens up new prospects for Western suppliers of agricultural machinery. 85% of tractors exceeded ten years, and due to lack of equipment, at least 20% of the crop is lost. The German company Claas has already doubled the capacity of a plant located in southern Russia. In June, she signed a special investment agreement that would give her the same rights as local businesses in future tenders. For the first time in Russia.
      As for export, Ukraine sent a little more grain for export than the Russian Federation (39 million tons) this year they promise 45 million tons (along with oilseeds whose yield was also good)
      Canada will reduce exports. France will reduce exports. Asian countries, on the contrary, are intensely buying grain.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 10 November 2016 13: 15
        +1
        Dashingly compiled! ...
        Analysis, analysis ... synthesis catalysis! ... and the question: - how much can you believe this (Retvisan)-Article?
  26. Demeter
    Demeter 9 November 2016 18: 23
    0
    In Russia there is only one trouble, crooks in power who do not care about the indigenous population of Russia and its improvement
  27. win
    win 9 November 2016 20: 28
    0
    How sweet it was to hear on TV before: " 1 billion pounds grains ". Sounds !!!
    But 117 million tons is fine too!
  28. Forest
    Forest 10 November 2016 09: 48
    0
    We have part of the crop stored in the fields in bags of multilayer film. Survives the winter perfectly.
  29. Yaroslav Chukhlebov
    Yaroslav Chukhlebov 11 November 2016 00: 59
    0
    The author of "Gazeta ru" forgot to calculate that 35 million grain is exported and exports will grow! 118 + 15-35 = 98 tons for storage in elevators! hence the question the author of the article does not know how to count up to 200? or does he do it for some purpose? ...
  30. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 11 November 2016 07: 00
    0
    There will be no 125 blockade grams. And there will be no diaries "The Savichevs all died. Left alone. Tanya"And the filthy fascists will never set foot on Russian soil again. Mighty Russian weapons are blinding as the sun and terrible as the abyss of hell.

    There is no such democracy and tolerance that could stop the atomic decay - no matter what shamanic spells are used in this case. And the latter will be the first when the green sun rises over the hills of Texas, and when the mighty sigh of Russia sweeps everything from the US west coast to the east.

    And a piece of a hamburger will not fall into the stomach of those from whom only shadows on burning concrete will remain.

    And among the ruins, broad-faced smiling Russians and stern, narrow-eyed Chinese will patrol. They will distribute bread and porridge from the army kitchens. And the poisonous radioactive wind will flutter the posters with the slogans "Ameriga above all else"; and the crows will nest in the dome of the Capitol; and the hand of the Statue of Liberty will drop; and peace will come to the long-suffering Earth.
  31. fomin
    fomin 11 November 2016 10: 11
    0
    For those who are interested in this topic, I recommend reading the article "Technology of hanging" noodles on the ears ": http://flot.com/blog/katastrofa/tekhnologiya-nave
    shivaniya-lapshi-na-ushi.php
    и
    http://flot.com/blog/katastrofa/tekhnologiya-nave
    shivaniya-lapshi-na-ushi-2.php
  32. Mushroom
    Mushroom 11 November 2016 19: 42
    0
    However, we’re eating bread from categories 4-5 grain — for pigs and cows — in short for cattle — normal grain bread is fragrant and soft and smells the whole apartment when you bring it; it doesn’t get stale for a long time. it hardly smells, apparently we are selling some sort of seed ... ... in my opinion, as I read it, we buy genomodified one, then it cannot be taken away for sowing and not grown