Iraqi Kurds turned to Russia for military assistance

The head of the Department of International Relations of the Government of the Kurdish Autonomous Region (Iraq), Falah Bakir, said that at a meeting with the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Mikhail Bogdanov, he made a request for military and humanitarian assistance. RIA News.

Bogdanov's talk with Bakir took place on November 1. According to the Russian Foreign Ministry, "the parties exchanged views on the entire spectrum of Iraqi issues, discussed the fight against the terrorist threat in the light of the operation launched to eliminate the stronghold of terrorists of the Islamic State in Mosul, as well as the development of the situation in Iraqi Kurdistan."

When asked by the correspondent whether he asked for military assistance from the Russian side, Bakir answered: “Yes, we asked for this kind of support, because now the issue of countering terrorism is of crucial importance.”

“We believe that the world community, and above all our allies, one of which is Russia, needs to provide us with versatile support,” the Kurdistan representative said.

“For us, this visit was an excellent opportunity to clarify Russia's position on a wide range of issues. In addition, we made a request to support the Peshmerga forces ... We requested humanitarian assistance to support the refugees who came to Iraqi Kurdistan from other parts of the country, as well as from Syria, ”

added on.

According to Bakir, the Russian Foreign Ministry "supported the importance of developing bilateral ties, as well as the struggle being waged by the Peshmerga against terrorists."

“In this connection (in Moscow) they said that they would study our requests and try to help,” he said.

Comments

[Vend]

That says a lot. They turned to Russia, not to the USA or NATO.

[The black]

Asks for help, and then spit in the face or knife in the back from around the corner? Let the Americans help! This is their project.

[Giant thought]

While there is no official appeal, you should not rush to provide assistance, you can only promise.

[Temples]

What is the official appeal? From whom? From one side of a crumbling country? Let them expel all foreigners from their country and agree among themselves how to live on.

They ask that the Russians become one of the parties to the conflict? Lip no fool. Maybe the State Department advised?
First become a legitimate government in the country, and then request.

[Sergej1972]

These are representatives of the autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan, which under the Iraqi Constitution has wide autonomy.

[The black]

Quote: Sergej1972

These are representatives of the autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan, which under the Iraqi Constitution has wide autonomy.

.... and with the help of which the United States overthrew the legitimate government of Iraq, and hanged the head of state ...

[vladimirw]

partly you are right, but the east is a delicate matter. In any case, it is necessary to promise

[Koshak]

Quote: vladimirw

partly you are right, but the east is a delicate matter. In any case, it is necessary to promise

So let them turn to their overseas friends, who have undertaken to establish "order" there. We need to sort out Syria.

[rabbi's pais]

Quote: lek albanvi

You would have figured out in your own rush. The sanctions are finishing off its rotten economy however.

A couple of worthless sanctions finish off our economy, since your fellow tribesmen do not bring nafig back to their native Azerbaijan.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Black

Quote: Sergej1972

These are representatives of the autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan, which under the Iraqi Constitution has wide autonomy.

.... and with the help of which the United States overthrew the legitimate government of Iraq, and hanged the head of state ...

There is no Kurdish autonomy there under the Constitution. They are self-proclaimed ones. It is necessary to maintain relations with them, undoubtedly, but all the same, this cannot be done without the consent of the official authorities of Iraq. I think this topic is now being seriously considered both from our side and from the other side, since, among others, the interests of the United States and Turkey also intersect. Direct support for the Kurds of Iraq is fraught with graters with the Turks, with whom certain agreements have been reached on their "modesty" in some territories in Syria. To understand this tangle of interests, one should not rush.

[Sergej1972]

Actually, the Constitution of Iraq has such autonomy, but not all Iraqi territories where Kurds prevail or make up a significant part of the population enter there.
Article 113
1. This Constitution, after entry into force, must recognize the Kurdistan Region and the regional and federal authorities established in it.

[Sergej1972]

Many political figures of Iraqi Kurdistan are simultaneously politicians of the pan-Iraqi level.

[The black]

There is no Kurdish autonomy there under the Constitution.

You are mistaken. There is. And de jure and de facto.

[iConst]

Quote: Temples

First become a legitimate government in the country, and then request.

In fact, the Kurds have long been butting for this. Only in Turkey, and in Syria, and even more so in Iraq, to ​​put it mildly, they were ignored.

The West in the entire Middle East and shit - according to the ruler on the map were drawn with a pencil - the states are ready. They laid the powder kegs. And then the SGA set fire to the wicks. Business something.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Thought Giant

While there is no official appeal, you should not rush to provide assistance, you can only promise.

But will we have the opportunity to help Iraq as well? After all, this should not be done to the detriment of assistance to Syria and the Donbass. Although Iraq is also important to us.

[Temples]

What is important?
Doctor give me pills for greed, but more.
Better less, but better. In Syria, the state is restored. To help Donbass, but in Ukraine to save the Russians from senility and excessive jumping. They may remember their homeland, but for what fathers and grandfathers fought.

[Lynch]

We have nothing, and the Americans would be happy. Immediately there would be someone to blame the bombing with the B-52.

[Lelek]

Quote: Thought Giant

While there is no official appeal, you should not rush to provide assistance, you can only promise.

No promises or even hints. The Kurds of Iraq are a tribe in a country where there is a full-scale war. The Iraqi government has asked the Americans for help, and we should never get in there. We need to conduct a high-quality Syrian campaign, bring the situation there to the elections and "curtail" on our Syrian bases. IMHO.

[iConst]

Quote: Black

Let the Americans help! This is their project.

Kurds? American project? And when did it arise? Enlighten ...

[The black]

Kurds? American project? And when did it arise? Enlighten ..

It is known that the autonomous republic of Kurdistan in Iraq was created in 2005, after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein by the Americans. American political scientists developed a new constitution for a free Iraq, which secured the Kurdish presidency. Since then, the president of Iraq must necessarily be a Kurd by nationality.
And they need them in order to keep in check Turkey, Arabs and Iran. - those countries in whose territory they compactly reside. Plus Syria. Another thing is that the Kurds themselves do not represent a single force. They are divided. They have several parties that do not get along very well. For example, one of the Peshmerga’s leaders is a bartender, he kisses with a pyrdogany, the PKK with him is fighting. Well, etc ....

[Sergej1972]

The Kurds had nominal autonomy officially since the beginning of the 70s. , since the reign of the Baathists. True, neither the Baathists nor the Kurds fulfilled the agreements reached. And the territorial limits of the autonomous Kurdistan were understood in different ways. Then, much later, the so-called "Free Kurdistan" appeared, not controlled by the government of Saddam Hussein.
The fact that the president of the country must necessarily be a Kurd is not spelled out in the Constitution. This is the result of political agreements between Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish parties, adopted under pressure from the Americans.

[iConst]

Quote: Black

It is known that the Autonomous Republic of Kurdistan in Iraq was established in 2005,

Yeah, like, in 2005, the nationality was bred by genetic engineering, they called it "Kurds", then they settled them in the Middle East and the Kurds began to fight for their independence ... Bravo!


Project, damn it ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: iConst

Kurds? American project? And when did it arise? Enlighten ...

Then, when there was a project to reformat the Middle East, with all the Arab springs. When the Russian Federation intervened in this process and expressed its disagreement, as well as about its interests in the future distribution of BW hydrocarbons in the direction of the EU, here the option was taken for the mattresses to create a Kurdistan belt, which by coincidence, namely, compact living of almost 50 million Kurds on the border of Iraq, Syria and Turkey, successfully cuts off future pipelines along the border with Turkey whoever owns them. The one who will have the greatest influence on the Kurds in the event of the creation of Kurdistan will influence the transit of hydrocarbons through this territory. Therefore, the mattresses, despite the fact that the Turks are their NATO partners and consider the Kurds to be terrorists, support the Kurds in spite of Erdogan's indignation on this issue.

[210ox]

The Kurds are not so much fighting ISIS (although this contribution cannot be denied) as they are catching fish in troubled waters and they have oil on their territory. Such a "Chechnya" in Iraq .. Saddam chased them during his lifetime ..

[Sterlya]

Quote: Black

Asks for help, and then spit in the face or knife in the back from around the corner? Let the Americans help! This is their project.

I do not know. But the Kurds have piled up over the centuries. it's time for them to create their own country. eternal outcasts

[ratfly]

Yes, they appeal to everyone. There is no need to especially bloat. We somehow need to steer between Turkey and the Kurds, so that neither one nor the other will take offense at us. Everything needs to be considered.

[DMB_95]

Quote: ratfly

We somehow need to steer between Turkey and the Kurds, so that neither one nor the other will take offense at us. Everything needs to be considered.

This is perhaps one of the main points in the topic with the Kurds. We do not need to quarrel with the Turks for the sake of helping the Kurds who are now "walking under the States". But you have to promise to think about it. In the end, the States will throw the Kurds, and our friendship with Turkey is also not eternal. And the Kurds will not go anywhere from there. It is necessary to maintain relations with them, but without fanaticism for now. And then we will see. In any case, the Kurds are a real force in the region, not hostile to us.

[creak]

Quote: DMB_95

And the Kurds from there will not go anywhere. Relations with them must be maintained, but without fanaticism so far

Yes, we still supported the Kurds and their leader, Mustafa Barzani, during the times of the USSR both morally and financially, supplied weapons, trained soldiers in training centers, etc. In some cases, behind the scenes, so as not to spoil relations with the then leadership of Iraq ....
So that we have long-standing ties, developed and tear them would be, at least short-sighted ....
This is a serious battle side of the conflict ....

[lis-ik]

Fuck, let the US help, their wards, and then we will be blamed for all sins.

[Homo]

Quote: Wend

They turned to Russia, not to the USA or NATO.

And where else should they turn after the US threw them, after negotiations between the US and Turkey. The United States promised Turkey to "score" on the independent Kurdistan. So they cut off all the help. And the Kurds are like "shit" in the hole, then to our bank, then to the American!

[OLD FART]

Quote: Homo

Quote: Wend

They turned to Russia, not to the USA or NATO.

And where else should they turn after the US threw them, after negotiations between the US and Turkey. The United States promised Turkey to "score" on the independent Kurdistan. So they cut off all the help. And the Kurds are like "shit" in the hole, then to our bank, then to the American!

That's right ...! I used to believe them, they turned out to be corrupt ... Get out!

[Warrior with machine gun]

and that curators feed only "bright tomorrow"? so you can't get fat from such a diet, and you can't make much of an empty stomach, and curators instead of food only supply democracy.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, have the Yankees already stopped supplying? Surrendered to the Turks? The incident, in fact. Iraq is a country supposedly independent. Should respond to your section. Obviously how s TORNING Iraq!
Let's help the Kurds - strengthen them, destroy the country. Not a simple solution.

[serega.fedotov]

To help unambiguously, but only for money, and on a prepaid basis!
East, it’s just such a thing to give money (weapons, equipment) -that is sure to be thrown, but for the other side you’ll become an enemy to the grave. And if for grandmas it’s clear to everyone, business is all!
And the division of the countries of the Middle East, laid down even after the Second World War, the borders were drawn along a line without taking into account nationalities, And if something cannot be canceled, then you need to participate! Only a little, from the outside, making our "partners" extreme

[Sergej1972]

The division of the Middle East without taking into account the national factor was carried out after the First World War, and after the Second World War, a certain adjustment took place.

[Lynch]

By the way, Iraq already violated the agreement with Russia:
The Russian Helicopters Association declines its warranty for Mi-171E helicopters previously delivered to Iraq. The reason for this was the installation on machines without permission of the manufacturer of Canadian optoelectronic observation stations (OESN) MX-15

[Nehist]

Heh heh! Kurds in their repertoire and ours and yours! If we help the Kurds, then this is a direct discharge of Assad

[rotmistr60]

Quote: Wend

That says a lot. They turned to Russia, not to the USA or NATO.

The United States is helping them with weapons and equipment, which Erdogan is very dissatisfied with. They just decided that additional, and even more so free help would never hurt and certainly would not be superfluous.

[newcomer]

Apparently this is a talking head in the hands of the Yankees. This is a controversial provocation of the Yankees. we help the official government of iraq. and indeed, as far as I remember, the Iraqi Kurds always ask for something from someone, although the Yankees are sitting tight on their allowance.

[Sergej1972]

The Government of the Autonomous Region of Iraqi Kurdistan is recognized by the Government of Iraq. According to the constitution of Iraq, the autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan has the broadest autonomy, including in matters of security. This is essentially a state in a state. The most interesting thing is that this autonomy actually has a veto over the adoption of pan-Iraqi laws, which, however, do not apply in the autonomy. An analogy, albeit not one hundred percent, can be drawn with the status of Kosovo and Vojvodina inside Serbia in the last two decades of the SFRY.

[newcomer]

clear, understand, I know. thank you for such an exhaustive comment. only one but. what is it to us? I mean help to the Iraqi Kurds. Black explained to you who and what the Iraqi Kurds are. originally they are a Yankee project. why should we help the henpecked striped? Well, let's now, as a trouble-free machine, help everyone who asks. Over the past year, as the Russian Federation has shown its power, all people are asking for something from us. it is necessary to be more selective with the help of that. we have allies sympathizing. Well, let the Kurles of Iraq be content with handouts of svrih progenitors.

[Sergej1972]

The USSR at one time provided assistance to both the Iranian and Iranian Kurds. There are a lot of materials on this topic on the Internet. The Iraqi Kurds believed, partly justifiably, that the USSR "threw" them, preferring the Baathists.

[Sergej1972]

The comment of "black" is correct by 70-80-)), there are also inaccuracies.

[newcomer]

Sergej1972, it’s as if the issue is not who knows the history of the wars of the USSR in the Middle East more accurately or correctly. the USSR, for objective reasons, could afford to use the Kurds in Iraq, they preferred the Baath party, as it led to the prosperity and development of Iraq. ours were not mistaken in the bid. I don’t understand at all, the final collapse of Iraq, with the buildup of Kurdish forces, what gives us? la and you yourself answered your question in your own comment. yes kupda Syria and Iraq are different. We use these, so that Syria does not fall apart.

[parusnik]

It is necessary to render if asked, if only then they did not spit in the back ..

[Stas157]

Quote: parusnik

It is necessary to render if asked, if only then they did not spit in the back ..

Yes, I also think so, what needs to be done. But it doesn’t work out. Putin will not dare to go across the expensive Erdogan! The choice is made. And if Erdogan devils in Aleppo in revenge support? Yes, it’s putting the Turkish Stream and Akkuyu again in jeopardy ... No, no one will risk it, for the sake of the Kurds.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, I also think so, what needs to be done.

You thought it badly. Think again and do not write nonsense.

[Masya masya]

Quote: lis-ik

Fuck, let the US help, their wards, and then we will be blamed for all sins.

It is not possible for the United States to help both the Kurds and the Islamic State at the same time ... At least not in the amount that Iraqi Kurds would like ...

[askort154]

I used to think that the expression - "The East is a delicate matter", too abstract. Now it is clear that it is real - relevant.
Meanwhile, everyone who remembers the holiday of November 7, who participated in the demonstrations and in the pauses of the movement, let through the "sotochka" with friends around the "corner", while the political party organizers are keen on "organizing the column", all of you with a holiday from our youth! Be healthy!

[JonnyT]

Then they didn’t turn to Russia, but to the Russian oligarchs. Iraqi Kurds ask Leonid Michelson to send a trailer of bags of cookies, and Mikhail Fridman a milk tank

[Masya masya]

And who has the barrel of jam?

[cannabis]

Persia (Iran), Kurdistan is the land of ancient Slavic tribes. The Kurds themselves are the direct descendants of the Slavic-Aryans, powerful and beautiful people. If foreigners called the Rus "Uruses", then the Kurd is K (as) URus Good. Now playing the Kurdistani party, the Atlanteans with renewed vigor after Iraq are kindling a religious war "all against all" and directing its vector to the Old World and Russia. We Russians do not realize that we ourselves are in great danger, risking sharing the fate of the Kurds, remaining strangers and powerless in our land.

[AlexTires]

I believe that the Russian citizen and patriot Anatoly Borisovich Chubais will not remain indifferent to the request of the Iraqi Kurds, give them his last shirt and share his stale piece of bread.

[K-50]

Iraqi Kurds turned to Russia for military assistance

Damn them there or Allah with the Shaitan.
On the one hand, they seemed to oppose Assad, and were fighting with the SAR. On the other, the same as the Turks are fighting with DAESH (IG). In general, that snake ball, you can’t do without a half liter.

[Sergej1972]

In my opinion, you are confusing the Syrian, Turkish, Iraqi Kurds. There is no unity between them. In addition, there are opposing trends among the Turkish, Syrian, and Iraqi, and among the Iranian Kurds. Turkey is waging an armed struggle against the Kurdistan Workers' Party, which consists mainly of Turkish Kurds. Turkey has hostile relations with the Syrian Kurds and their organizations. But Turkey has excellent relations with the authorities of the autonomous Iraqi Kurdistan. But it must be borne in mind that two warring factions are fighting for power in Iraqi Kurdistan and for influence among the Iraqi Kurds living outside this autonomy. Plus, it should be borne in mind that many Arabs and representatives of other peoples live in Iraqi Kurdistan. And a significant part of Iraqi Kurds live either in Kurdish enclaves outside the official borders of Iraqi Kurdistan, or dispersed among the Iraqi Arabs. Plus the mass of mixed families of Arab-Kurdish origin. Everything is really mixed there ... And if you also take into account the eastern cunning, rather "cunning", plus some Kurdish, Arab and Turkish politicians and the military also have greed and corruption, then things are really bad.))

[K-50]

Quote: Sergej1972

In my opinion, you are confusing the Syrian, Turkish, Iraqi Kurds. There is no unity between them. In addition, among Turkish, Syrian, and Iraqi, and among Iranian Kurds there are opposing currents

Here !!! They among themselves cannot agree on a common point of view and a common policy, but they ask Russia for help. Let them first decide between themselves who they are, who they represent, who will be responsible for the material and other assistance provided. Who to ask afterwards for any "misunderstandings". You need a RESPONSIBLE person with whom you can negotiate, not a crowd. Then they will scatter like cockroaches, like the barmaley with money, and as a result it turns out that the allocated aid did not reach and was "lost."
Do we need it like that?
In general, until they establish a dialogue among themselves, there is no point in interfering with them.

[Zomanus]

Well, everything is logical. If Trump wins,
then BV will remain against ISIS and stubborn Saudis.
So the guys are trying to find a new defender.

[K-50]

And the most unclear thing is that we will have from this, except for an extra headache and material, and possibly human costs.
Again, humanitarian aid. We have our retirees and other poor dofig. Why not help the state at first, and then engage in charity?

[Dave36]

Let's first decide with Syria ... Aleppo at least - how much you can twist booty ... Fleet caught up ... and tremble)
Tomorrow is the moment of Truth .... or at least inflated the media. Clinton wins - it’s easier with her, it’s clear what to expect.
Peace for everyone!

[Damir]

Dear Dave36 !!!! unfortunately, the moment of truth is not tomorrow .. until they vote, while they gather, while they are counted .. while they fake the missing voices .. two, three days ...

[Dave36]

All right Damir, all right ...

[Lynch]

I liked how one political scientist said yesterday: Trump is a grenade, and Clinton is a monkey with a grenade. Of the two evils, as they say)

[Damir]

Weapons can only be sold (transferred) to the official authorities of the country !!!! but they come later .. only for some reason it seems to me that the Kurds from Baghdad will not receive a single cartridge !!!!

[cannabis]

Quote: baty

in the snack, drink this art, not everyone is given.

It is advisable to learn more about the achievements of Mongolia in the development of arts. How many singers sings on the opera stage in Italy, what novels of your writers are world famous, how many discoveries of world significance such as the periodic table your scientists made .. I will read the answer with pleasure.

[Niccola Mack]

We requested humanitarian assistance to support the refugees who came to Iraqi Kurdistan from other parts of the country, as well as from Syria. ”

I wonder where the Syrian Kurds are and their relationship with Assad!
If we are already for Syria Assad - somehow he and we need to raise this issue - at least decide.
To possible contacts with Iraqi Kurds.

[Sergej1972]

So here the Syrian Kurds are generally not involved.)) As well as the Syrian affairs in general.

[Niccola Mack]

Until a certain moment, but there may come a time when in all (and Syrian too) Kurdish heads the idea of ​​a "Great indivisible millennial Kurdistan" suddenly appears.
And this slogan will cause the most support precisely from those Kurds who have nothing - but Iraqi Kurds (with their own oil) - it will not be so popular.
So maybe all the same, together with Assad we’ll take a closer look at the problems?
And then I generally don’t understand something about our vector in the Middle East - it looks more like a Brownian movement.

[bald]

But this is already interesting! Request, you can say the official. Clear business still expenses, but the help to Kurds is necessary. Now the whole world is looking at Russia. Others will follow the Kurds. And who, besides Russia, will help the needy countries.