Great October saved Russia from destruction

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Great October saved Russia from destruction

Every year on November 7 in Russia is a memorable date - the Day of the October Revolution 1917 of the year. Until 1991, 7 November was the main holiday of the USSR and was called the Day of the Great October Socialist Revolution.

Throughout the existence of the Soviet Union (celebrated since 1918), November 7 was a “red calendar day”, that is, a public holiday. On this day, demonstrations of workers and military parades were held on Red Square in Moscow, as well as in the regional and regional centers of the USSR. The last military parade on Red Square in Moscow to commemorate the anniversary of the October Revolution was held in 1990 year. The celebration of November 7 as one of the most important public holidays was preserved in Russia until 2004, while from 1992, only one day was considered as a holiday - November 7 (in the USSR November was considered a holiday).



In 1995, the Day of Military Glory was established - the Day of the military parade on Red Square in Moscow to mark the twenty-fourth anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution (1941 year). In 1996, by decree of the President of the Russian Federation “in order to mitigate opposition and reconciliation of various segments of Russian society” was renamed the Day of Accord and Reconciliation. Since 2005, due to the establishment of a new national holiday, National Unity Day, November 7 has ceased to be a day off.

November 7 ceased to be a holiday, but was included in the list of memorable dates. Indeed, this day cannot be crossed out. stories Russia, since the uprising in Petrograd 25 — October 26 (7 — 8 November in a new style) led not only to the overthrow of the bourgeois Provisional Government, but also predetermined all further development of Russia, had a huge impact on world history.

It is worth noting that the attempt to obscure the Day of the October Revolution with the help of the Day of National Unity failed. Popular unity in the Russian Federation is absent. Again there is a split into “white” and “red” ones. It is impossible to unite an insignificant rich stratum, which has appropriated the fruits of the hard work of several generations and the masses, who are largely disadvantaged, whose prospects in the context of the global and domestic crisis (de facto already in conditions of world war) are very bleak.

In 1991-1993 a counter-revolution took place in Russia, a bourgeois, liberal-capitalist revolution triumphed. The heirs of the “februaryists” of the 1917 model of the year won: liberals, Westerners, capitalists and financial speculators. Therefore, it is impossible to unite oligarchs, financial speculators and ordinary people who advocate social justice. We are frankly year after year robbed, and even during the crisis, when the majority of the people are getting poorer, millionaires and billionaires continue to grow rich and their overpowering (feast during the plague) challenge the population. The speculations on the feast of May 9 and November 4 cannot gloss over this reality. During the parade, Lenin's mausoleum is always shyly covered with plywood structures. It is obvious that the current authorities and oligarchs do not want anything to do with Lenin and Stalin, with a socialist, people-oriented state.

Not surprisingly, the war of monuments began in Russia. The pro-Western part of the ruling and financial-economic elite is trying to rewrite history by itself, creating the myth of the “prosperous” Romanov empire with the “noble elite” and the hardworking, law-abiding Orthodox people, who were destroyed by the “bloody Bolsheviks”. Allegedly, the Bolsheviks created an "evil empire", "enslaved the people", destroyed churches and palaces, cut off Russia from European civilization, "distorting its path."

This part of the Russian elite is trying to repeat in Russia the project "Petersburg-2", that is, in every way glorifies the Romanov empire, opposing it to the "bloody" Red Empire (USSR). To this end, active work is underway in the fields of culture, art, cinema, architecture, etc. At the same time, the “new nobles”, monarchists and Western liberals are no longer holding back. Apparently, they believe that enough time has passed and the generation of the "scoop" is a thing of the past, and pensioners do not pose a threat due to the lack of energy and financial dependence.

Hence the scandal behind the scandal. In St. Petersburg, a commemorative plaque is set up for General Mannerheim, a former Tsarist general who became the leader of independent Finland, who claimed vast Russian lands and three times began the war with Soviet Russia (1918-1920, 1921-1922 and 1941-1944), became Hitler's ally and the enemy of the USSR during the Great Patriotic War. Recently it became known that the authorities of St. Petersburg intend to install a memorial plaque to Admiral Kolchak, who was officially recognized as a war criminal. The White Admiral acted in the interests of his Western masters (England and the USA), and when he was no longer needed, he was simply surrendered. In Krasnodar, they again began to talk about perpetuating the memory of the hanged Nazi accomplice, Ataman Krasnov. In Kerch, the first monument to the “black baron” to Peter Wrangel was installed in Russia, which even within the framework of the White movement had a very mixed reputation.

State Duma deputy on the eve of November 4 N. Poklonskaya arranged a scandal, putting in one row "fiends" of Lenin, Mao Zedong and Hitler. True, then gave way somewhat, notifying: “We have freedom of speech. This is my personal opinion, my civil position. I don’t have any public opinion here. ”

This is the second major scandal with her name. Poklonskaya to the action "Immortal Regiment", which is dedicated to the victory of the soldiers of the Soviet Red Army over the Wehrmacht, came out with the icon of Nicholas II, clearly bringing discord in the holy feast.

It is also worth noting that 2016 appeared on the screens of a whole series of films about Tsarist Russia - “about the crunch of the French roll”. Like, everything was fine, but everything was trampled by its shoemakers "lumpen-proletariat", "damned Bolsheviks", who forced the king to abdicate the throne and destroyed the empire. In particular, the film "Hero". In Russia, a new wave of “white revenge” is taking place (the first was in the 1990s). The White Heritage Cultural Center will appear in Novospassky Monastery in Moscow in 2017. From Rostov-on-Don, the news came that in the house where Wrangel lived, a museum of the general would open.

The Yeltsin Center is actively working on this topic, pursuing a policy of de-Sovietisation and reaching the rehabilitation of Vlasovism. So, one of the leaders of EC, Nikita Sokolov, proposed to rehabilitate the Vlasovites. Sokolov said that it was necessary to go beyond the narrow understanding of the repressed. We need to expand it. He said that an important public issue is the memory of groups of people “who have not been rehabilitated and created real fighting groups to oppose the Soviet government,” including the Vlasovites. Sokolov himself is “not sure” that modern Russia should be considered their enemies of the people.

Thus, after the 2015 year, when on the anniversary of the Great Victory, the media and the domineering elite recalled the positive role of the USSR and even Stalin, a turn towards a “white revenge” again emerged. The sympathies of a large part of the domineering top and the pro-Western near-power environment are clearly on the side of the white revenge-seekers and their ideas, since they protect the foundations of large property. It is impossible to unite Russian society, since the current liberal-pro-Western, capitalist system does not meet the interests of the Russian people and other peoples of our civilization.

October revolution saved Russia

After 1991, Russia was actively distributed the myth that "the Bolsheviks destroyed autocracy and the Russian empire." However, this is a hoax. First, after the defeat of the 1905-1907 revolution. various socialist parties were crushed, their organizations destroyed or went deep underground, leaders and activists fled to emigration or were in prisons, were in exile. Lenin said pessimistically, during his life there would be no revolution in Russia. In general, the Bolshevik Party was a small, unpopular organization that was not able to cause serious unrest in the Russian Empire.

Only the February revolution opened up broad prospects for the socialists: it was possible to come to Russia, many leaders and activists were pardoned; the work of law enforcement agencies was disrupted, agitation and propaganda could be strengthened, old structures could be recreated and new structures created; spontaneous ferment among the people intensified, radical ideas became increasingly popular among workers, peasants and soldiers tired of war and recruits who did not want to go to the front and die “for the Dardanelles”, which for ordinary people had no meaning at all. The mediocre policy of the liberal-bourgeois Provisional Government did not restore order, but only increased chaos and unrest in society. All this was used by the radicals (socialists, national separatists) for their own purposes.

Secondly, the spontaneous unrest of workers, recruit soldiers, anarchist sailors and peasants who were dissatisfied with their position and growing disasters during the war could have been suppressed by any organized state power, including the Romanov empire. For this there was enough strength - Cossacks, loyal units, guards, fired front units. Only political will was needed. During the Civil War, both whites and reds encountered this problem and, in general, solved it through repression and terror, and partial concessions. A “counter-elite” was needed, which would oppose the autocracy, it was the “fevralists” - bourgeois revolutionaries.

Third, autocracy and empire destroyed in February-March 1917, the so-called. The Februaryists are the rich, prosperous and privileged elite of the Russian Empire. Not the commissars and Red Guards forced Tsar Nicholas II to renounce, but the domineering elite, large owners, masons of high degrees of initiation, ministers, Duma leaders and generals.

Discontent in society up to significant spontaneous unrest was raised by “noble”, educated and well-to-do people. During the war, the rear was disorganized, food supplies to major cities were disrupted, corruption and large-scale theft flourished, the lives of ordinary people worsened significantly, which caused a sharp discontent of the population and the beginning of spontaneous unrest. And when the riots in February 1917 took a large scale, requiring strong-willed decisions, sending the faithful troops to the imperial capital, political and social, industrial-financial, military and bureaucratic elite (many of these people were masons at the same time, that is, submitted to the masters of the West) pressure on the king. Nicholas II did not dare to "swim against the stream," to go to the faithful troops and generals, and try to eliminate with a little blood the future seas of blood. He chose to recant.

In this way, The power was taken over by the feudalists: industrial, commercial, financial capital, degenerated aristocracy, grand dukes, generals, top officials, Duma leaders, liberal politicians and representatives of the pro-Western intelligentsia. They wanted to send Russia along the western path of development, oriented on the constitutional monarchy on the model of England or Republican France. They had money, power, but there was no real power, control. They wanted market domination and democratic freedoms, without restraining the fetters of autocracy. In addition, Russian Westerners, the Freemasons simply liked to live in Europe (for many years they lived in it) - so “sweet and civilized.”

However, triumphantly crushing autocracy, the feudalist-Westerners, instead of winning the “democracy” and the full power of capital, got the catastrophe of “historical Russia”. Old Russia, in which they flourished as a whole, collapsed. But to create “sweet” France or England on the spot of Russia did not work out. The matrix of the Western-type society did not take root in Russian civilization. At the same time, the supports that allowed the Romanov empires to exist were destroyed: the cadre army was killed in the battles of the First World War, the autocracy was dared, the Cossacks began to recall self-government. The mediocre, self-destructive policies of the liberal, bourgeois Provisional Government did not lead to prosperity, but destroyed the remaining braces that restrain the unity of the Russian state.

It must be remembered that by the fall of 1917, the liberal-bourgeois Provisional Government brought Russian civilization and statehood to the brink of disaster. Not only national margins, but also regions within Russia themselves, such as Cossack autonomies, refused from the Russian state. The meager number of nationalists claimed power in Kiev and the Ukraine to the Ukraine. An autonomous government appeared in Siberia.

The interim government could not stop the collapse of the armed forces. Order number 1 on the "democratization" of the army led to even greater decomposition and decline of the armed forces. As a result, the armed forces collapsed long before the Bolshevik coup and could not continue fighting. The army and navy from the pillars of order themselves have become sources of distemper and anarchy. The soldiers deserted thousands, carried off weapon (including machine guns and guns!). The front was falling apart, and the German army was no one to stop. Russia could not fulfill its duty to the Allies on the Entente.

Finance and economics were disorganized, a single economic space was falling apart. Serious problems began with the supply of cities, harbingers of hunger. The government, during the Russian Empire, began to conduct surplus transactions (again, the Bolsheviks were then accused of them). The amnesty freed revolutionaries and bandits, a surge of revolutionary activity and a criminal revolution began with the complete disintegration of the old police.

The peasants saw that there was no power! For the peasants, the authorities were the anointed of God - the king, and his support - the army. They began to self-seize the land, "black repartition" and "revenge": manor estates burned hundreds. Thus, in Russia, a new peasant war began, even before October and the White and Red wars.

External open enemies and former "partners" began the division and seizure of Russian territories. At the same time, England, France and the United States claimed the most tasty morsels. In particular, the Americans with the help of Czechoslovak bayonets planned to stake out virtually all of Siberia and the Far East. The interim government, instead of proposing a goal, a program, and rescue a power by active and decisive action, postponed the decision of fundamental issues until the Constituent Assembly was convened.

The country was covered by a wave of chaos, both controlled and spontaneous. Autocracy, which was the core of the empire, was crushed by the inner “fifth column”. In exchange, the inhabitants of the empire received "freedom." People felt free from all taxes, duties and laws. The Provisional Government, whose policies were determined by leaders of the liberal and left-wing sense, could not establish a viable order, moreover, their actions deepened chaos. It turned out that the figures oriented to the west (most of them were masons who obeyed the “elder brothers” from the West) continued to destroy Russia. In words, everything was beautiful and smooth, in fact - they were destroyers or “impotent” people who could only speak beautifully.

Thus, the policy of the Februaryists led to a complete catastrophe. Liberal Democratic Petrograd de facto lost control of the country. Russia actually fell. Russia should not have remained on the world map. The masters of the West struck out Russia and the Russians from world history.

The further power of the Februaryists led to the collapse of Russia into specific princedoms and “independent republics” with a mass of “independent” presidents, hetmans, chieftains, khans and princes with their speaking-speaking parliaments, micro-armies and the administrative apparatus. All of these “states” inevitably fell under the authority of external forces — Britain, France, the USA, Japan, Turkey, etc. At the same time, former parts of the empire dug in on Russian lands. Finnish nationalists planned to create the Great Finland at the expense of the Russian lands (Karelia, the Kola Peninsula, etc.), and if successful, seize the lands of Northern Russia right up to the Urals. The Poles dreamed of a new Rzecz Pospolita from sea to sea, with the inclusion of Lithuania, White and Little Russia. Britain, France, the United States and Japan planned the occupation of strategic points and communications. In the sphere of influence of England included the Russian North, the Caucasus. Turkey planned to occupy the Caucasus, Japan - the whole of Sakhalin, the Far East, Russian possessions in China. The United States, with the help of Czechoslovak bayonets, planned to occupy the Great Siberian Way, the main communication from the European part of Russia to the Pacific Ocean, which allowed controlling most of Russia — the Far East, Siberia and the North (together with England). Russian civilization and the people were threatened with complete destruction and disappearance from history.

However, there was a force that could take power and offer the people a viable project. These were the Bolsheviks. Until the summer of 1917, they were not considered a serious political force, yielding in popularity and strength to the cadets and the Social Revolutionaries. But by the fall of 1917, their popularity had grown. Their program was clear and understandable to the masses. The power in this period could take virtually any force that showed political will. This force became the Bolsheviks.

In August 1917, the Bolsheviks headed for an armed uprising and a socialist revolution. This happened at the VI Congress of the RSDLP (b). However, then the Bolshevik party was actually in the underground. The most revolutionary regiments of the Petrograd garrison were disbanded, and workers sympathizing with the Bolsheviks were disarmed. The opportunity to recreate armed structures appeared only during the Kornilov revolt. The plan for the uprising in the capital had to be postponed. Only 10 (23) October 1917. The Central Committee adopted a resolution on the preparation of an uprising.

12 (25) October 1917 was created by the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee to protect the revolution from the "openly preparing attack of the military and civilian Kornilovists". Not only the Bolsheviks, but also some left-wing Social Revolutionaries and anarchists entered the WRC. In fact, this body and coordinated the preparation of an armed uprising. With the help of the WRC, the Bolsheviks established close ties with the soldiers' committees of the Petrograd garrison formations. In fact, the left forces restored the dual power in the city and began to establish their control over the military forces. October 21 held a meeting of representatives of the regiments of the garrison, who recognized the Petrograd Soviet as the sole legitimate authority in the city. From that moment on, the Military Revolutionary Committee began to appoint its commissars to military units, replacing commissars of the Provisional Government.

On the night of October 22, the Military Command requested the headquarters of the Petrograd Military District to recognize the authority of their commissars, and 22 declared its subordination to the garrison. October 23 The WRC obtained the right to create an advisory body at the headquarters of the Petrograd district. By October 24, the WRC appointed his commissars to the troops, as well as to arsenals, armories, railway stations and factories. In fact, by the beginning of the uprising, left forces had established military control over the capital. The Provisional Government was incapacitated and could not respond decisively.

therefore there were no serious clashes and much blood, the Bolsheviks simply took power. The guards of the Provisional Government and the units loyal to them almost everywhere surrendered and went home. No one wanted to spill their blood for temporary workers. From October 24, the units of the Petrograd Military Revolutionary Committee occupied all the key points of the city. The armed men simply occupied the key objects of the capital, and all this was done without a single shot, calmly and methodically. When the head of the Provisional Government, Kerensky ordered the arrest of members of the WRC, there was no one to execute the order of arrest. The interim government almost without a fight passed the country, although even before the revolution it had every opportunity to deal with active members of the Bolshevik Party. The fact that they have not even done anything to protect their last stronghold, the Winter Palace, says about the complete lack of talent and incapacity of the temporary worker: there were no combat-ready units; neither ammunition nor food were prepared. The authorities did not promptly pull up the loyal troops.

By the morning of October 25 (November 7) the Interim Government in Petrograd had only the Winter Palace. Soon they occupied him. The guards of the palace went home for the most part. The whole assault consisted in a flaccid exchange of fire. Its scale can be understood by casualties: only a few people died. At 2 in the morning of October 26 (November 8), members of the Provisional Government were arrested. Kerensky himself escaped in advance, drove away accompanied by the car of the American ambassador under the American flag (he was saved by overseas patrons).


Thus, the Bolsheviks won virtually the “shadow” of the government. Later, a myth was created about the brilliant operation and the “heroic struggle” against the bourgeois. The main reason for the victory was the complete lack of talent and passivity of the Provisional Government. Almost all liberal figures could only speak beautifully. Resolute and strong-willed Kornilov, who was trying to establish at least some order, had already been eliminated. If the decisive dictator of the Suvorov or Napoleon type, with several attack units from the front, were in place of Kerensky, he would easily have dispersed the decomposed parts of the Petrograd garrison and the red partisan units.

In the evening of October 25, the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets opened in Smolny, which proclaimed the transfer of all power to the Soviets. October 26 The Council adopted a Decree on Peace. All belligerent countries were asked to begin negotiations on the conclusion of a universal democratic peace. The decree on the land passed landowner land to the peasants. All bowels, forests and waters nationalized. At the same time, a government was formed - the Council of People's Commissars headed by Vladimir Lenin.

Simultaneously with the uprising in Petrograd, the Moscow Council Revolutionary Committee took key points of the city under its control. It didn't go so smoothly here. The Public Security Committee under the chairman of the city duma Vadim Rudnev, with the support of the junkers and Cossacks, began military actions against the Council. The fighting continued until November 3, when the Public Security Committee capitulated. In general, the Soviet government was established in the country easily and without much blood. The revolution was immediately supported in the Central Industrial District, where local Soviets of Workers' Deputies were actually in control of the situation. In the Baltics and Byelorussia, Soviet power was established in October - November 1917 of the year, and in the Central Chernozem region, the Volga region and Siberia - until the end of January 1918 of the year. These events are called "the triumphal march of the Soviet government." The process of the predominantly peaceful establishment of Soviet power throughout Russia was yet another proof of the complete degradation of the Provisional Government and the need to rescue the country with active and program-like force.

Subsequent events confirmed the correctness of the Bolsheviks. Russia was on the verge of death. The old project was destroyed, and only a new project could save Russia. He was given and the Bolsheviks. And the “old Russia” was destroyed by the Februaryists — the rich, prosperous and privileged elite of the Russian Empire, the liberal intelligentsia, who hated the “prison of nations”. In general, most of the "elite" of Russia did the tsar with their own hands and destroyed the empire, dreaming of building a "sweet Europe" in Russia.

The Bolsheviks did not save the "old Russia", it was doomed and fought in agony. They offered people to create a new reality, a new civilization (Soviet). A fair society of creation and ministry, where there will be no classes that parasitize people. It was the Bolsheviks who showed such basic values ​​for the Russian “matrix” as justice, the primacy of truth over the law, the spiritual principle over the material, the general over the particular. Their victory led to the construction of a separate “Russian socialism”. The Bolsheviks had all three necessary elements for the formation of a new project: image of a bright future; political will and energy, faith in one's victory (overpassionality); and iron organization and discipline.

The image of the future came to the liking of the greater part of the common people, since communism was inherent in Russian civilization, the people. Not for nothing, long before the revolution, many Russian, Christian-minded thinkers were at the same time supporters of socialism. Only socialism could be an alternative to parasitic capitalism (and at present, to a non-slave, neo-feudal system). Communism stood on the basis of creation, labor. All this corresponded to the "matrix" of Russian civilization. The Bolsheviks had the political will, energy and faith. They had an organization.

It is clear that not everything was smooth with the Bolsheviks. They had to act tough, even cruel. A large part of the top revolutionaries were internationalists (supporters of Trotsky and Sverdlov). Many of them were agents of Western influence, destroyers who dreamed of destroying the “old world”. They were supposed to launch a “second wave” to destroy the Russian super-ethnos (Russian civilization). The “first wave” was feblists-masons. They viewed Russia as a sacrifice, a feeding trough, a base for the world revolution, which would lead to the establishment of a New World Order, the owners of which would be the “world behind the scenes”. "World backstage" started a world war and organized a revolution in Russia. The owners of the United States and England planned to establish a global world order - a caste, non-slave society. Marxism acted in their interests. Their weapons were revolutionary internationalists, Trotskyists.

However, our enemies miscalculated. The Trotskyist internationalists, who were the “fifth column” of the West in Russia and who were to transfer power in Central Russia to their masters, were opposed by the real Bolsheviks (the Russian Communists). For the most part they were ordinary people without a “double bottom”, they fervently believed in a “bright future” without exploiting the working class, without parasitic superstructures over the people. A popular leader appeared in the party itself, who was clean before the people and was not dirty with communications with the special services and "non-governmental" structures of the West. It was Joseph Stalin.

Thus, with the October Revolution and the victory of the Bolsheviks, the revival of the Russian civilization and empire began, but through the Soviet project, in the image of the Soviet Union. The people supported the project of the Bolsheviks, their program. Therefore, the whites were defeated, as were the nationalists and outright bandits - "green". The Anglo-American, French and Japanese invaders fled because they could not resist the whole people. The merciless struggle in the party itself, the struggle between Western agents — Sverdlovsk, Trotskyists, internationalists and real Russian communists, Bolshevik-Stalinists, led by Joseph Stalin — was the first to intercept management and remove the most odious figures from the Soviet Olympus, like Trotsky. And then, from 1924 to 1939, to the almost complete defeat of Western agents in Russia (represented by all kinds of Kamenev, Zinoviev, Bukharin, etc.)

Modern liberals, monarchists are trying to convince the people that October has become the "curse of Russia." They say that Russia has again turned away from Europe, and the history of the USSR is a complete disaster. In the reality The Bolsheviks turned out to be the only force that, after the death of the “old Russia” - the project of the Romanovs, tried to save the state and the people, create a new reality. They created a project that will preserve the best that was in the past, and at the same time will be a breakthrough into the future, into a different, just, solar reality, without slavery and oppression, parasitism and obscurantism. If not for the Bolsheviks, the Russian civilization would simply have perished.
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  1. +53
    7 November 2016 06: 00
    I congratulate everyone on the holiday of the October Revolution, which created a country in which people lived easily and happily !!!
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    2. +5
      7 November 2016 07: 22
      Huge losses, terrible suffered Russia and the Russian people. This is nowhere to be done.
      But they were able to recreate and save. We must do this now.
      1. +14
        7 November 2016 12: 16
        I am not D. Medvedev. For me, Russia did not start in 1991. For me, my Homeland is both the Rus of Rurikovich, and the Romanov Russia, and the USSR, and what is happening now. And I do not like when, hanging the necessary mythology of one period, they struggle with it with the mythology of another.

        Samsonov clearly does not follow the precepts of Ilyich: "less is better, but better" - he knocks everything together in such a way that even part of his argumentation causes a protest in me.
        And you won’t count small fleas, you won’t answer all of them -"Wrangel, who even within the White movement had a very ambiguous reputation". Whose monarchist Wrangel had an ambiguous reputation? The pinks, who demanded that the tsar resign, Denikin and Alekseev? ...
        Quote: Samsonov Alexander
        Soviet power was established in the country easily and without much blood.

        Oh how! The multimillion-dollar victims of the civil war that resulted from the October coup, therefore, little blood? And the subsequent destruction of "hostile" classes and strata has nothing to do with this?

        Arguments that if the state structure of Russia was determined by the Constituent Assembly (Samsonov did not have a word about him), then it would be a "catastrophe of Russian civilization" are like reasoning "if my grandmother had ...".
        You see, the Finns "planned", the Balts "planned", etc.
        The Bandera-fascist junta of Valtsmanov, Parubiyev and Groismanov is also planning. In the meantime, it is quite successfully carrying out the genocide of the Russian people, and those who signed up as Ukrainians during the years of Soviet power and now. By the way, what happened to the Russians after the "October Revolution" in Poland, Finland, the Baltics ...? Where are they?

        The defamation of the tsarist army causes amazement. As a result of the activities of the "military lodge" (in my opinion), by 1915 the army was practically without weapons and ammunition. By 1916, the hunger for this had been overcome. Relatively. Because even in this case, the number, for example, of guns was less (two times) than that of the German army. Moreover, the problems of the belligerent army were solved without an emergency - young children, girls did not get up to the machines. We bought something from the allies. As a percentage of its production, it was even more than supplies under Lend-Lease, but hardly more in absolute terms. For more details see N.N. Golovin. "Russia in the First World War". And in such circumstances, the army did not flee to Moscow, Stalingrad and the Caucasus, but fought on the territory of Austrian Galicia, Poland and occupied half of Turkey. The army fought with skill.
        For me, the catastrophe of Russian civilization is, in addition to the previous one, 27 million dead, tens of millions of cripples in just one war. This is real, instead of what "could have been." And this happened because the tsarist officers were destroyed, even the loyal ones who went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. (Decooling, destruction of the clergy, etc.)
        Any business should be managed by a professional, preferably not in the first generation. And in the Great Patriotic War, former non-students learned to fight on the blood of their people. At the same time, I do not want to downplay the role of Stalin and his employees, who, unlike the current ones, plowed day and night and in those circumstances were still able to survive instead of all our people. Otherwise, indeed, the catastrophe would be final.

        To put it mildly, it is embarrassing that Samsonov puts Poklonskaya on a par with the aggressively anti-Russian odious Yeltsin center. Poklonskaya is known not only for her words, but also for deeds. And things are such that when it was necessary to defend the Russian Crimea, Poklonskaya went there and stood up. When it was necessary to take the post of prosecutor of our Crimea, the men were frankly afraid, but she didn’t. And did not stop working including according to Ukrainians Kolomoisky illegally seized property in the Crimea, etc. They say that instead of it now, like, a man, but the press immediately sharply weakened. But you, the Communists, defended your state when it turned out that your elite, beginning with Gorbachev, Yeltsin, are traitors? Or came out when the people again voted for your Zyuganov? What do you judge Poklonskaya? Judge Poklonskaya - not toss the bags.

        Something like this. Without global conclusions (which Samsonov has).
        1. +25
          7 November 2016 12: 47
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          "Wrangel, who even within the White movement had a very controversial reputation." With whom did the monarchist Wrangel have an ambiguous reputation? At the pink ones who demanded the resignation of Denikin and Alekseev from the Tsar? ...

          And who in the midst of the Whites, dreamed of a Restoration? All of them handed over the imperial family for scrap, after February 17, so what are you writing about?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          Oh how! The multimillion-dollar victims of the civil war that resulted from the October coup, therefore, little blood? And the subsequent destruction of "hostile" classes and strata has nothing to do with this?

          Yes, like that. The history of the noble - "Triumphal procession of Soviet power" - indiscriminately, so it was, until the Whites, together with the Entente, unleashed the Civil, with considerable participation of the ESERs - so you mean the victims of the Civil in a great part of them, claims to WHITE, ANTANTA and all sorts of different gray-brown and green . "Destruction" of classes, judging by how tuti and wine resources whine "destroyed", as if your statement is a lie.

          Quote: Nikolai S.
          The defamation of the tsarist army causes amazement. As a result of the activities of the "military lodge" (in my opinion), by 1915 the army was practically without weapons and ammunition. By 1916, the hunger for this had been overcome. Relatively.

          Relative to this, how? An absolute shortage of heavy guns, aircraft, tanks, communications, cardboard boots and militias rati with dubai? Have you decided so to speak?
          Did the Allies provide assistance? Do you know the price?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          For more details see N.N. Golovin. "Russia in the First World War". And in such circumstances, the army did not flee to Moscow, Stalingrad and the Caucasus, but fought on the territory of Austrian Galicia, Poland and occupied half of Turkey. The army fought with skill.

          Oh, how, and the result? Where did RI find itself after FEBRUARY and order No. 12 of the TEMPORARY government, by the way? Nowhere did it break up, the Bolsheviks had to deal with restoration, where is your respect for History if you have a wedge warped towards all kinds of fairy tales.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          For me, the catastrophe of Russian civilization is, in addition to the previous one, 27 million dead, tens of millions of cripples in just one war. This is real, instead of what "could have been." And this happened because the tsarist officers were destroyed, even the loyal ones who went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. (Decooling, destruction of the clergy, etc.)

          Isn’t this the result of the war unleashed by Hitler on the destruction of Russia, the Conscestka or not, it doesn’t matter. Are the war nourished, including England and the USA?
          Or do you have such a curious understanding of History that you blame exclusively on Soviet Russia, thereby whitewashing all Bely, such as Krasnov and the like, who fought in the hordes of Hitler, and Hitler himself, because judging by your writings, it turns out that the USSR is to blame for losses.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          Any business should be managed by a professional, preferably not in the first generation. And in the Great Patriotic War, former non-students learned to fight on the blood of their people. At the same time, I do not want to downplay the role of Stalin and his employees, who, unlike the current ones, plowed day and night and in those circumstances were still able to survive instead of all our people. Otherwise, indeed, the catastrophe would be final.

          You are doing just that, in spite of the equivocations and brackets about Stalin and his commanders, thereby you simply did not give a damn in memory of the millions of people who died on the fronts.
          You should have known, and not fantasized. That the losses of the Soviet army as a whole are slightly higher than the losses of a united Europe in the Armed Forces of Hitler's Germany, everything else is losses from genocide according to Hitler's racial theory. just sculpt all the losses as the guilt of the Soviet government, but you are silent about the fact that among these losses, a considerable number of victims from the actions of collaborators, including from among the "destroyed classes" so dear to your heart who were in the service of Hitler.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          To put it mildly, it is embarrassing that Samsonov puts Poklonskaya on a par with the aggressively anti-Russian odious Yeltsin center.

          Absolutely true assessment of the words and actions of Poklonskaya.
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          But you, the Communists, defended your state when it turned out that your elite, beginning with Gorbachev, Yeltsin, are traitors? Or came out when the people again voted for your Zyuganov? What do you judge Poklonskaya? Judge Poklonskaya - not toss the bags.

          The Communists, unlike you, are always on the side of your state, this is your position, I’m clearly not a state one, and even attempts to reduce everything to the fault of the Communists — LOOK the track records of those who are in power now and ask you, they were in the Communist Party, they did they participate in the collapse of the country, were they Communists, or were they opportunists who had nothing to do with the communists?
          The Communists, for that matter, didn’t sit on the Tashkent front in that war, the two party formations fell on the fronts, and now you are clicking here?
          Quote: Nikolai S.
          your top, starting with Gorbachev, Yeltsin-traitors?

          Yes, they are traitors, but their heirs are in your honor, then who exactly are you?
          So you, with your global conclusions, are much worse than the accused Samsonov.
        2. +3
          7 November 2016 18: 10
          That's really neither turn down nor turn up !!
          1. +4
            7 November 2016 21: 43
            Yours and yours like stupidity and mockery?
      2. +2
        7 November 2016 23: 43

        A. Arkhangelsky

        You fell victim to a fatal fight
        Selfless love for the people
        You gave everything you could for him
        For his life, honor and freedom.

        Sometimes you languished in crude prisons ...
        Your judgment is merciless over you
        The executioner judges have long uttered
        And you walked, rattling with shackles.

        You go tired, and the chains rattle ...
        Hands and feet are chained.
        Calmly, but sadly his gaze turned
        Forward along a deserted road.

        Heated chains from sultry rays
        And they snagged into the body with snakes.
        And hot blood drops to the ground
        From wounds etched by chains.

        But you silently carry fetters
        For the cause of love you suffer
        Because I could not look indifferently,
        Like a brother dying in poverty.

        And the despot feasts in a magnificent palace,
        Alarm pouring wine
        But formidable letters have long been on the wall
        The fateful hand draws:

        "Arbitrariness will fall and the people will rise,
        Great, powerful, free ...
        Farewell, brothers, you honestly passed
        Your valiant way, noble! "
    3. +11
      7 November 2016 07: 42
      Quote: Spartanez300
      I congratulate everyone on the holiday of the October Revolution, which created a country in which people lived easily and happily !!!

      They have created a project that will preserve the best that was in the past, and at the same time will be a breakthrough into the future, into another fair, solar reality


      The Bolsheviks created RUSSIAN CROSS. In 1917, the Bolsheviks took power over one of the fastest growing peoples of the world - the people of Russia. It was only 2,5 times smaller than the population of China and the second largest in the world.

      In 1890, an article on demography was published in the journal Science and Life. Its author, the editor-in-chief and publisher of the magazine, Matvey Nikanorovich Glubokovsky, provided demographic data for China and Russia. And, comparing the level of population growth in the compared countries, he concluded: if the growth remains at the same level, Russia will soon catch up with China in terms of population and will become the most populated power in the world. The great Russian scientist D.I. predicted the same thing. Mendeleev, not mistaken in his predictions regarding the US demography.

      Towards the end of communist power, at the end of the 90's, the people of Russia were already dying out and was in eighth place in the world.

      For whom were dams, spaceports, cities built?
      For the Chinese? For the Arabs? Nigerians?
      1. +27
        7 November 2016 07: 55
        All "white" nations are now subject to extinction, what does the Bolsheviks have to do with it? Did the British, French, Swedes, Norwegians, Portuguese, etc. also have Bolsheviks? But their aging and extinction is progressing even faster. The decline in the birth rate is, alas, a phenomenon accompanying the progress and improvement of the population's life. But the highest birth rate is in Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali, Somalia and so on, despite hunger, war and devastation. But something no one wants to be guided by Niger or Mali ...
        1. +7
          7 November 2016 09: 20
          Quote: ilyaros
          All "white" nations are now subject to extinction, what does the Bolsheviks have to do with it? AND the British, French, Swedes, Norwegians, Portuguese, and so on, were the Bolsheviks too? But their aging and extinction are even faster. Fertility reduction is, alas, a concomitant progress and better life population phenomenon

          At 1913, population growth in Russia was highest in Europe, France was practically at zero:
          France 0,7
          Russia. 15,8
          Sweden.10,5
          England. Xnumx

          That is, it was not the same in sight. As there was no mention of the prosperity of Europe in the USSR (payment, allegedly, for extinction).

          They die out not only from gluttony, but also from poverty.

          The countries of Europe were densely populated back in the 18 century, the vastness of Russia-endlessly-live, master, give birth. As it was before the thief. It was after-but the pace was incompatible

          DI. Mendeleev gave a forecast for Russia for 2024 year 1 billion 250 million people (taking into account urbanization, etc.). For the United States, its forecast came true completely. It is clear that the Second World War, WWII, the reduction of territory, etc. But, nevertheless .....
          1. +12
            7 November 2016 10: 08
            DI. Mendeleev gave a forecast for Russia
            Do you compare the Russian Empire with the Federation? Already crafty. And even in the Federation about 15 years ago, there were a little more Russians 81%, now less than 79%
            1. +22
              7 November 2016 10: 43
              The Bolsheviks created the RUSSIAN CROSS


              Alexander, if only you could spoil.
              Today, a huge part of our people has a holiday.
              And you spread nonsense. Turn on your head a little and remember those wars, those sacrifices that the people of the Russian Empire - the USSR suffered.
              Did the Bolsheviks unleash these wars? If you think that Nikolay, Lenin and Stalin did this, then you are a clinical patient.
              Wars are sacrificed not only during the war, but also at the end. Demography is clearly not your hobby, as well as analytics. Your is Russophobia in all manifestations.
              I repeat, you carry frank crap. Shit in the soul of the people with whom you are talking. The stench from you is utter.

              And what else CROSS?
              Jesus and the Bolsheviks? Or does your cross have nothing to do with Jesus? Which, however, is not surprising in relation to you.
              1. +6
                7 November 2016 13: 47
                Quote: Temples
                Alexander, if only you could spoil

                There is a discussion of an article in which Comrade Samsonov said about the creation of "civilization" by the Bolsheviks. I answered WHAT the Bolsheviks created in my vision. Without offending or rude
                Quote: Temples
                I repeat, you carry frank crap. Shit in the soul of the people with whom you are talking. Your stink is utter your Russophobia in all its manifestations

                Learn to control yourself.
                About Russophobia-to love Russia - DOES NOT mean to love communists-they have always been an overwhelming minority from the people, and 1000 years to 1917 years-did not exist at all, as now practically NO. hi .
                1. +10
                  7 November 2016 16: 19
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  As for Russophobia, to love Russia - DOESN'T mean to love the Communists - they have always been an overwhelming minority from the people, and 1000 years before 1917 did not exist at all, as it is now practically NO.

                  Distort Mr. Anti-Soviet and Russophobe.
                  You, when you write your comments about the events of World War II, are absolutely on the side of the arrogant Saxons, and when about the events of the Great Patriotic War, you are absolutely on the side of the beaten Nazis, how did they fail to kill Soviet Russia, they did not manage to be in Moscow and kill Stalin so hated by you, but our Aramia in Berlin and Stalin defeated Hitler, and this is hateful to you, as if whatever you wrote hereafter.
                  1. +3
                    7 November 2016 21: 08
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Distort Mr. Anti-Advisor and Russophobe


                    Estimates of an ignorant ignoramus and a coward who is not responsible for his words (for example, about the complete occupation of the Baltic in .... February 1917) cost less than zero, yes.
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    You, when you write your comments about the events of World War II, are absolutely on the side of the arrogant Saxons, and when about the events of the Great Patriotic War, you are absolutely on the side of the beaten Nazis, how did they fail to kill Soviet Russia, they did not manage to be in Moscow and kill Stalin so hated by you, but our Aramia in Berlin and Stalin defeated Hitler, and this is hateful to you, as if whatever you wrote hereafter.

                    it is not clear: why do you splash out your hallucinations and feverish thoughts born of a gloomy consciousness?

                    This is a specialist, and he will set you right - for the whites, who is for the greens. Yes
                    1. +5
                      7 November 2016 21: 49
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      This is for a specialist, he will direct you

                      Indeed, at the Serbsky Institute, there are specialists, including those for analyzing the pathological craving for lies.
                      You there, the sooner the better.
        2. +18
          7 November 2016 09: 42
          In our country there is now talk about "" accepting "" the white movement !!!!! About "" repentance "" !!!
          !! And something no one will beat himself in the chest and say: "" My great-grandfather fought in the White Guard! "" or "" My great-grandfather carved red stars on the back of the Bolsheviks! "". Maybe these relatives are hiding behind the large figures of Wrangel and Kolchak, etc. ?????
          Most likely, their descendants accepted, most of them Soviet power unconditionally, participated in the restoration of the country, defended it from enemies, worked for its benefit.
          Who is trying so hard for the sake of the white movement now? EXACTLY the one who wants a civil war on the territory of the former USSR, and then --- a new intervention !!! These are the same countries as before, and their paid employees on the territory of Our country.
          1. +9
            7 November 2016 11: 58
            So what? My great-grandfather, the Kuban Cossack of the 2nd Labinsky regiment, fought with the whites. And I am proud of him, for there were good reasons to fight the Reds. Of course, the white angels were not, But neither were the red ones. Well, where could people go when they were told that they were a "zoological concept" (Vatsetis)? And what to do with Trotsky's bestial "Carthaginian" orders? And the reasons for the Upper Don and Trinity uprisings were not considered? How to understand them: "it was not" or "everything was right"? Nobody demands any repentance, we don't need it. But do not demand anything from us, we will not repent before the Bronsteins and Vatsetis. And generally speaking. here it is necessary to tamper how to live further, and not butt who in the past was to the right and to the left. Each has its own truth.
            1. +14
              7 November 2016 12: 16
              Quote: libivs
              But do not demand anything from us either; we will not repent before the Bronstein and Vacatis.

              Then repent for Kolchak and Semenov, Ungern and Shkuro, Krasnov and Denikin.
              If you imagine yourself here as a kotompok of a white Cossack, then repent for the Maykop massacre.
              Or for 40 verst convoys of Shkuro and Mamantov, after their robber raid in the Voronezh province, they stripped everyone, including churches.
              Quote: libivs
              But the reasons for the Upper Don and Trinity rebellion were not considered?

              But telling Krasnov, recall, like the mass shootings of those same Cossacks, Krasnov that did not follow him?
              Maybe you better carefully read Sholokhov?
              At the expense of Trotsky, he was given an assessment even before the war, an ice ax with an evil head, so again you did not deign to write about it.
              1. +4
                7 November 2016 12: 57
                Yes, I will not repent for anyone, I am not authorized and do not consider it necessary. Also, as for sure, you do not consider it necessary to do this for yourself. We lost the civil war, paid for it. If you lost the war. then, in turn, paid. Everything is logical. The Civil War is like that. In general, all the contradictions of the Cossacks with nonresident and nonresident ripened much earlier than with Atamanism P.N. Krasnova and everywhere had their own nuances. Well, for example, what preceded the execution of Podtelkov? Pogrom of villages and hamlets with decaying red guards and deserters. What preceded the fermentation of the Kuban? Again, the crowds of deserters of the Caucasian Front, taking advantage of the absence of the Cossacks, began to displace the village chieftains and divide the yurt village lands. A disaster came to the Tertsians when the Chechens began to cut defenseless villages. There is no one but Sholokhov, I read everything and to the holes, there are memoirs of F.I. Eliseev, Colonel Denisov, plus the memories of relatives and neighbors. Cossacks never complained of it. It is very long and more than once played a cruel joke with us, both under the Kings and the Soviets.
                1. +7
                  7 November 2016 16: 31
                  Quote: libivs
                  Yes, I will not repent for anyone, I am not authorized and do not consider it necessary.

                  Yes, for God's sake, your personal repentance is somehow of little interest to me, the question is, how did it hinder you that your grandfather was in Belykh, do you personally? pressure of power.
                  Quote: libivs
                  If you lost the war. then, in turn, paid. Everything is logical. The Civil War is like that.

                  If the Reds lost Civilian, then you would hardly exist at all, but this is from the category of altistory, but the fact is clear, February was not made for British money so that there would be at least some kind of independent Russia.
                  Not for that, a paper was taken from Kolchak stating that the territory of Russia is a protectorate for 4 powers.
                  Who would you be there?
                  Quote: libivs
                  . In general, all the contradictions of the Cossacks with nonresident and nonresident ripened much earlier than with Atamanism P.N. Krasnova and everywhere had their own nuances. Well, for example, what preceded the execution of Podtelkov? Pogrom of villages and hamlets with decaying red guards and deserters.

                  Distort. With what unequivocally distort.
                  40 thousand Cossack families ravaged by Krasnov, trifles for you? And then who turned out to be Krasnov, for you the same trifles?
                  And the same Krasnov dreamed of a German protectorate over the Don. The same little things?
                  And finally, Krasnov, ataman of the SS Cossacks, little things?
                  Well, for such trifles, and hung on the gallows like a silly dog ​​who decided to bite his homeland.
                  Quote: libivs
                  Again, the crowds of deserters of the Caucasian Front, taking advantage of the absence of the Cossacks, began to displace the village chieftains and divide the yurt village lands.

                  Again nonsense.
                  Quote: libivs
                  A disaster came to the Tertsians when the Chechens began to cut defenseless villages.

                  We must apparently remember what was said.
                  “My old wounds burn, but my heart burns even more. I chopped down the Germans in 1914, chopped them down in the Civil War, when they attacked our Motherland like jackals. Cossacks do not age for years; I can still cut the fascist in half. To arms, stanitsa! I am the first to join the ranks of the people's militia ”- 62-year-old Cossack N.F. Koptsov.
                  This is KAZAK, and those who have Krasnov-Judah, will you argue?
                  In accordance with the order of the People's Commissar of Defense K.E. Voroshilov N 061 dated April 21, 1936 5 cavalry divisions (4,6,10,12,13) ​​received the status of Cossack. Territorial Cossack cavalry divisions were created in the Don and the North Caucasus. Among others, in February 1937, the Consolidated Cavalry Division was formed in the North Caucasian Military District as part of the Don, Kuban, Terek-Stavropol Cossack Regiments and the Highland Regiment. This division participated in a military parade on Red Square in Moscow on May 1, 1937.
                  Will you argue with this, or did your grandfather just sit there, waiting for the SS Cossacks to come to Soviet Russia with fire and sword?
                  For me, these Cossacks, who fought against Belov and Dovator, are heroes, who fought against KRASNOV-JUDA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?
                  Quote: libivs
                  Cossacks never complained of it. It is very long and more than once played a cruel joke with us, both under the Kings and the Soviets.

                  They didn’t complain about the memory, so what makes your memory so thin?
                  1. +3
                    7 November 2016 17: 24
                    I don’t want to go into polemics, I still don’t understand. I was born in a distant Kazakhstan special village number 25. There were a lot of such people. In 1932, there were Cossacks both white and red. Many people died of starvation and disease, in the first year almost all infants died. The grandfather in her arms died a six-year-old sister. Then the war, great-grandfather died at the front. Then they sent Chechens and again new-old Caucasian hemorrhoids. Grandfather received a passport only in 1968. My father was refused admission to the military school, directly motivating the questionnaire. This is the answer to the question, what is the Soviet government for us and how did it interfere personally. It takes a lot of time to operate with various figures and facts, but there is one most lethal. Of the five million Cossack population today, about 68 thousand people remain.
                    1. +6
                      7 November 2016 17: 46
                      Quote: libivs
                      I don’t want to go into polemics, I still don’t understand. I was born in a distant Kazakhstan special village number 25

                      You just have nothing to justify. You are a minority in the country who think that all sorts of red and others are good for the country.
                      Quote: libivs
                      Many people died of starvation and disease, in the first year almost all infants died. The grandfather in her arms died a six-year-old sister.

                      It is again from discharge, to knock out a tear that has little to do with reality.

                      Quote: libivs
                      Then they sent Chechens and again new-old Caucasian hemorrhoids. Grandfather received a passport only 1968

                      Another fake.
                      Quote: libivs
                      My father was refused admission to the military school, directly motivating the questionnaire. This is the answer to the question, what is the Soviet government for us and how did it interfere personally

                      But this, it was done correctly, a man like your father raised you as a hater of the country, which was easier for the Krasenovs to serve. Why be a citizen of the Soviet Union and with every comment you confirm this.
                      Quote: libivs
                      It takes a lot of time to operate with various figures and facts, but there is one most lethal. Of the five million Cossack population today, about 68 thousand people remain.

                      This is a frank and mediocre lie, in my Stavropol region, you will be laughed at, just like in North Ossetia, where the descendants of the Cossacks have remained to this day.
                      1. +2
                        7 November 2016 19: 49
                        Of course you are from the "everything was right" category. I respect you more than the category "it was not," at least honestly. I repeat, we do not need to beat out tears, and who is there and. what is there for us thinks we are up to the lamp. We had our own compelling reasons to fight the Bolsheviks, for the Cossacks, in modern newspeak, have never been terriers. It will also not work to repeat the Cossack genocide, for a small number of Cossacks. You even failed to remove the memorial in Elanskaya, and this was supported by the local authorities and the prosecutor's office. The 2010 census points directly to this figure, so I'm not lying. And to you, dear colleagues, the Communists with such approaches to the past are unlikely to shine in the foreseeable future. Hence the EP and the election figures at 60%. I would be glad to work with you for the good of Russia, we have a lot of similar views on things, but alas ... By the way, where did you get the idea that I am a hater of the USSR. Not at all, at different stages of history it was different. The Union had positive and negative traits. And in general, guys, I remind you that it's 2016, not 1918, otherwise you will die out like dinosaurs with your extremism and search for enemies, where they are not there and by and large were not. In the end, the Union collapsed the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and no one else, and therefore it is not necessary to hang all of us dogs, especially our own ...
                        Py.Sy Cossack is a direct descendant of the citizens of the Cossack villages who belonged to the Cossack estate for 1917, and not those who are in different public organizations. How many of these remain in the Stavropol Territory? Digital in the studio if you can. Or will we consider all Cossacks in a row, along with Ossetians, Armenians and Chechens?
                  2. +5
                    7 November 2016 18: 32
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    In accordance with the order of the People's Commissar of Defense K.E. Voroshilov N 061 dated April 21, 1936 5 cavalry divisions (4,6,10,12,13) ​​received Cossack status. Territorial Cossack cavalry divisions were created in the Don and the North Caucasus.

                    this is not an indicator when in the 41st, the Bolsheviks pressed out and bowed to the churches. And it was only thanks to the Russian people that they remained in power, immediately after the war they again turned their bloody mill.
                    1. +7
                      7 November 2016 21: 51
                      [quote = veteran66] this is not an indicator when pressed in the 41st [/ quote]
                      Do you have problems with literacy? [] In accordance with the order of the People’s Commissar of Defense K.E. Voroshilov N 061 dated April 21, 1936 5 cavalry divisions (4,6,10,12,13) ​​received Cossack status. In the Don and the North Caucasus, territorial Cossack cavalry divisions were created. [/ Quote]
                      Once again, do you have literacy problems?
                      FIVE years before 1941, how do you live in a different dimension or in altistory?
                      1. +3
                        8 November 2016 09: 35
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        FIVE years before 1941, how do you live in a different dimension or in altistory?

                        typical stupidity ... I only cited 41 as an example, the Bolshevik women constantly deviated from their general line like they smelled like fried: now Petliura is a friend, now we are driving him away with Father Makhno, and then Father’s expense; then we shoot the counter, then the NEP is held in high esteem, and then we crush the NEPmen; then the Cossacks under the knife, then we form the Cossack units; then Hitler is a bastard, then we kiss on the gums; then we destroy churches and priests we shoot, then suddenly we bow to them ... and so on throughout history. A line from the party characteristics "I wavered along with the general line of the party" (a joke, but there is some truth and a lot)
      2. +27
        7 November 2016 09: 04
        Quote: Aleksander
        Toward the end of the Communist regime, in the late 90s, the people of Russia were already dying out and were in eighth place.

        Actually, I don’t have any desire to answer you, but I must answer for my words, and not mess up the nonsense. The population decline in the RSFSR began under Gorbachev, EBN and beyond. which can not be called communists with all desire. I bring a rather rough, but indicative graph, more accurate graphs and data, if desired, can be found on the Internet, they are.
        1. +7
          7 November 2016 10: 22
          Quote: EvgNik
          Actually, I don’t have any desire to answer you, but I must answer for my words, and not flog the bullshit

          In this tone, it’s better not to answer, all the more nonsense.
          First, check out the book of the SOVIET demographer Viktor Perevedentsev "Population of the USSR (Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow). - Moscow: 1972.,
          where he indicates that the Russian people had already stopped reproducing themselves by the beginning of the 1970s.

          Chart:

          Labeled and EBN and their ilk communists are the purest product of the communist system, created and educated by it. There was NO other party ruling. and the CPSU is therefore responsible for everything.
          1. avt
            +18
            7 November 2016 10: 35
            Quote: Aleksander
            First, read the book by the SOVIET demographer Vikor Perevedentsev "Population of the USSR (Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow). - Moscow: 1972.,
            where he indicates that the Russian people had already stopped reproducing themselves by the beginning of the 1970s.

            laughing laughing He himself looked at the digital cameras under the chart given by himself! ?? Well, before writing a comment about the 1970s, you had to look and fix something in the dates. laughing
            Quote: Aleksander
            and the CPSU is therefore responsible for everything.

            laughing good And for the chapel ruined in the fourth century? Or only for those that started to blame from the 30s. laughing Well, straight
            Dispersed, and poured: "The triangle will be drunk! Be it a parallelepiped, Be it a circle, a louse!"
            1. +4
              7 November 2016 13: 55
              Quote: avt
              He himself looked at tsifirki under the chart given by himself! ??


              Certainly.
              Perevedentsev is the first part of the answer with information about 1970's.
              The schedule of the Cross-the second part-, which took place at the beginning of the 1990's, has nothing to do with the first part.
              1. avt
                +7
                7 November 2016 17: 50
                Quote: Aleksander
                Perevedentsev is the first part of the answer with information about 1970's.

                What about the statistics, and the official one for 1914, well, where is the infant mortality rate - every fourth? And the illiteracy of the population was estimated at 3/4 of the population? And the statistics are not Bolshevik, but quite imperial-Romanov. Want, Russia. that we lost? ”Well, start with yourself and forget the alphabet, like the evil legacy of the communist tyrannical past.
                1. +1
                  7 November 2016 21: 36
                  Quote: avt
                  What about the statistics, and the official one for 1914, well, where is the infant mortality rate - every fourth? And the illiteracy of the population was estimated at 3/4 of the population? And the statistics are not Bolshevik, but quite imperial-Romanov. Want, Russia. that we lost? ”Well, start with yourself and forget the alphabet, like the evil legacy of the communist tyrannical past.


                  It turned out that you need to carefully read the comments, and not ernichat? And that’s good.

                  Russia lost already found, do not believe me, take a look at the flag over the Kremlin.
                  1. +4
                    7 November 2016 21: 40
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    Russia lost already found, do not believe me, take a look at the flag over the Kremlin.

                    Well yes yes yes .. looking at the confused faces of the liberals, especially after today's broadcast, the right to vote, there is no faith in you penniless. Pathetic bleating, not a gram of thoughts except rehash of liberal mantra mantras.
              2. +5
                7 November 2016 17: 53
                Quote: Aleksander
                The schedule of the Cross-the second part-, which took place at the beginning of the 1990's, has nothing to do with the first part.

                The cross chart accurately shows the price of your liberal reforms. Destruction of the population, this is not the relationship with the Communists.
                Is a demographic catastrophe in the Russian Federation a side effect of reforms, or genocide?

                1 This is a side effect of ongoing reforms.
                8 (19.0%)
                2 This is a deliberate genocide
                33 (78.6%)
                3 Other in the comments
                1 (2.4%)
                http://kolybanov.livejournal.com/15188177.html
                1. +3
                  7 November 2016 21: 45
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  The cross chart accurately shows the price of your liberal reforms. Destruction of the population, this is not the relationship with the Communists.

                  The graph of the Cross shows the decayed bankrupt power that led to 80, then to 90 and is responsible for EVERYTHING. Liber reforms were also carried out toommunists (fruits of the same system))
                  1. +3
                    7 November 2016 22: 29
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    Liber reforms were also carried out by the Communists (the fruits of the same system))

                    Serbsky Clinic corrects any problems of psychic diseases except for frank schizophrenia.
                    Do not think to be offended, this is exactly so.
                    ANYONE who in 90 burned his party card, thereby showing-never in his life was he close to the Communists, an opportunist yes, a parasite. The leader was anyone, but in the end he turned out to be who he turned out to be, the Liberal traitor of the country.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4014&
                    v = sGGa-DZojnc
          2. +9
            7 November 2016 11: 03
            There was NO other party in power. and the CPSU is therefore responsible for everything.
            And now one ruling party, which only created it, as always does not want to answer. Past rulers, they did not know such a chip, they were all always responsible for everything, both good and bad. And the current ones, one is responsible for success, the other is responsible for failures. However, recently a new chip. There are only angels in the government, and abroad is to blame for everything.
          3. +6
            7 November 2016 11: 16
            This is done in an elementary way - the positions are swapped and the "demographer" Perevedentsev is on horseback:

            But Gorbi, EBN, etc., were communists nominally, by the presence of a red book in their pockets. They were members and far from the party.
          4. +2
            7 November 2016 15: 03
            For home-grown sociologists, I would like to remind you of the existence of the term "echo of war". I myself live in this "echo", and my children - in the secondary echo.
          5. 0
            11 November 2016 22: 04
            Old man, yeah, blind laughing
        2. +4
          7 November 2016 18: 41
          Quote: EvgNik
          rough but indicative schedule,

          this is not a schedule, but some kind of agitation, statistics were given here in VO, for 1913 164.4 million people lived in Russia, following the same slogan the number of citizens of the Russian Federation exceeds the population of the USSR in the 20s by at least 10 times. So there were more than one and a half billion of us ???? Bullshit !!!
          1. +3
            7 November 2016 18: 44
            Quote: veteran66
            for 1913, 164.4 million people lived in Russia, following the same slogan the number of citizens of the Russian Federation exceeds the population of the USSR in the 20s by at least 10 times

            Or rave? Or say nothing but a loud but deceitful cry?
            1. +4
              7 November 2016 18: 47
              there are no arguments, only drool left? I recognize the style of the agitator and propagandist of the CPSU.
              https://topwar.ru/23229-sravnenie-rossii-v-1913-i
              -2013-godah-infografika.html
              1. +3
                7 November 2016 21: 54
                You have NO arguments. Prostitution is more than enough.
                RIGHT TO VOTE, the broadcast today, all bleating in your manner, have a very pale appearance - all these brewers and the like.
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4014&
                v = sGGa-DZojnc
        3. +2
          8 November 2016 09: 56
          Quote: EvgNik
          The population decline in the RSFSR began under Gorbachev, EBN and beyond. which can not be called communists with all desire.


          More people poor and humble?

          Only rams always need a shepherd - a leader, a father of peoples, dear general secretary, leader of a nation - who is next?
          No way to learn how to live your mind and defend your freedom
      3. +7
        7 November 2016 09: 42
        Quote: Aleksander
        In 1917, the Bolsheviks took power over one of the fastest growing nations in the world — the people of Russia.

        Do you read and immediately recall the proverb about the gray gelding?
        First, in Russia the word "people" should be used in the plural.
        Quote: Aleksander
        the people of Russia. It was only 2,5 times smaller than the population of China and the second largest in the world.

        Secondly, you do not know about the existence of a country like India? So here's the link for you: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/221068 There is a table from which it follows that a comparable number of people already inhabited this India 200 years ago from the date of 1917, i.e. at least 167 million
        1. +8
          7 November 2016 10: 07
          Quote: V.ic
          Do you read and immediately recall the proverb about the gray gelding?

          I didn’t think that a simple commentary could cause you such a self-critical assessment.
          Quote: V.ic
          You do not know about the existence of a country like India?

          So no one knows, naturally, in 1917 there was no COUNTRY of India, there was colonial British India, which included modern India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar, including a conglomerate of peoples. . What are you talking about?
      4. +5
        7 November 2016 10: 03
        In 1917, the Bolsheviks took power over one of the fastest growing peoples of the world - the people of Russia
        What kind of nation is the Bolsheviks?
        Toward the end of the Communist regime, in the late 90s, the people of Russia were already dying out and were in eighth place in the world.
        in fact, at the end of 90, Democrats ruled with might and main
        1. +1
          7 November 2016 18: 45
          Quote: Gardamir
          at the end of 90, the Democrats ruled with might and main

          it would be interesting to know the names. Wherever you go, you will find yourself in such a "democrat", a terry instructor with a past, or even the secretary of the city committee, district committee and other Komsomol functionaries. A black dog cannot be washed white!
          1. +3
            7 November 2016 22: 00
            Quote: veteran66
            It would be interesting to know the names.

            Prokhorov? What are the last names?
            Or the facts do not fit into your head, but rumors of gossip, fairy tales is your favorite way of assimilation?
            1. +1
              8 November 2016 09: 27
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Prokhorov? What are the last names?


              and what is Prokhorov? In his youth, he was an ordinary Soviet student, a student, a military man, like everyone else then. In 1988, in the last year of the Moscow Financial Institute, Prokhorov joined the CPSU. A typical product of Soviet education. Here's an example of how in a puddle ... (gas released)
        2. +1
          8 November 2016 10: 43
          Quote: Gardamir
          What kind of nation is the Bolsheviks?

          Such a nation is a guest! with "biblical" roots)
      5. +15
        7 November 2016 10: 54
        Quote: Aleksander
        The great Russian scientist D.I. predicted the same thing. Mendeleev, not mistaken in his predictions regarding the US demography.


        After reading the next libelous comment, with an attempt to use the name of the great Russian scientist D. Mendleev as an authority, it becomes clear-now crushed the anti-twigs. I’ve crushed so much that it’s already using ERRORS. Lie, any nonsense, just to discredit October and the Union, not realizing that the USSR is RUSSIA, but the brilliance of power and the highest point of its development.

        Anti-communist fighters for historical truth take Mendeleev’s estimates of the population for the Russian Empire within the borders of the USSR + Poland + Finland, compare with the population of the Russian Federation in 2000, that is, 596,6 million from 145 million, and raise a howl about the shortage. But, firstly, it is necessary to calculate for 2000 the number of the population living in the borders of the Russian Empire in 1897, and compare it not with the indicators of this year, but with the year 1991 of the collapse of the USSR, since the Soviet government and the responsibility of the Communists are limited by this date. (As you know, after the beginning of the "spiritual revival" in the RF alone, a million people die each year.) USSR (1989) 287,6 million people. Poland 38,62 million people. Finland 5,2 million people. A total of 331,42 million people. This, of course, is not 596,6 million, but not 145, as the “conscientious” anti-communists are trying to instill in us. (Remember that crazy anti-communist demographers do not tell you, no matter what links they give, 596,6 million for the Russian Empire in 2000 concerns its entire territory within the borders of 1897, and not the European part.)
        Now let's see how accurate were Mendeleev’s forecasts for other countries.
        Country
        Mendeleev
        In fact, for 2000
        India
        397
        1 billion 49,7 million people. India + 150,64 million people in Pakistan as for the life of Mendeleev it was one country
        Germany
        250
        82,4 million
        Argentina
        220,2
        38,74 million
        USA
        558,6
        283 million
        http://maxpark.com/user/4295244422/content/290086
        0
        Actually after that, the rest of the nonsense in Aleksander’s exposition can not be read, falsehood, falsehoods, speculation, in other words, slanderous lies chase, bullshit harnessing in the hope of looking at least decent.
        FALSE, dressed in bright clothes, always loses to the harsh Truth dressed in strict inconspicuous clothes.
        1. +3
          7 November 2016 16: 27
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          The USSR is RUSSIA, and the brilliance of power and the highest point of its development.


          Power does not crumble in an instant, like dust. In 1991 g not a single communistHe didn’t even defend his party, not like the system.
          . And all- Resignedly parted.
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Anti-communist fighters for historical truth take Mendeleev's estimates of the population for the Russian Empire within the borders of the USSR + Poland + Finland, compared with the population of the Russian Federation for 2000 year


          I have already written once. For those in the tank, I repeat:
          It is clear that the Second World War, WWII, the reduction of territory, etc. But, nevertheless .....

          It was a question of orders of numbers, and not exact calculations: it is clear that this is impossible for anyone.

          There is only one fact: the Bolsheviks captured a country with one of the fastest growing peoples of the world (and it was precisely at the expense of the Russians that they grew), and disappeared when he died out (in just 70 years!). Only they ruled therefore they are responsible.

          Or, excuse me, WHO is responsible for the deed, if not those who ruled? Martians? Or, nevertheless, rulers?
          And I don’t understand the varieties ... of communists, this is the work of other communes. services.
          1. +5
            7 November 2016 18: 00
            Quote: Aleksander
            Power does not crumble in an instant, like dust. In 1991, not a single communist defended even his own party, much less a system.

            Yes, the West understood that in a direct clash of annihilation, the West has no chance. There is a chance to find you within the Union.
            Even the ancient Persian king Xerxes, as he executed two Judas who surrendered the fortress to him, he stormed for a long time and unsuccessfully, to the question of the courtiers how they surrendered the fortress.
            Stalin also knew this precedent, therefore, before the war, the FIFTH column was cut out.
            Quote: Aleksander
            I have already written once. For those in the tank, I repeat:

            You write a lot, but in 99,9% of cases a blatant lie, in the remaining 0,1% a slightly veiled lie.
            Quote: Aleksander
            It was a question of orders of numbers, and not exact calculations: it is clear that this is impossible for anyone.
            There is only one fact: the Bolsheviks captured a country with one of the fastest growing peoples of the world (and it was precisely at the expense of the Russians that they grew), and disappeared when he died out (in just 70 years!). Only they ruled, therefore they are responsible.

            Another FALSE. We are looking at mortality among babies before October, we are looking at the figures for 30 years and we understand that you are LIES.
            1. +1
              7 November 2016 22: 08
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Another FALSE. We look at mortality among babies before October, we look at the numbers by 30 years and we understand that you LIE


              What kind of babies? Have you already fallen into childhood? What was it about, remember ..
          2. +1
            7 November 2016 19: 52
            And why did you have to stand up for the party? Did someone attack her? She is now quite well settled and even sits in the Duma.
        2. +1
          7 November 2016 20: 50
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          compare not with the indicators of this year, but with the year 1991 of the collapse of the USSR, since the Soviet power and the responsibility of the Communists are limited to this date.

          I don’t know how it is in numbers (prediction is not my specialty), but you also distort, the population is too inert. Demographic failures caused by the management of the Bolsheviks for a long time will affect the size of the population. And with the end in the 91st USSR, the genus commies did not transfer, for a long time they will still plunder Russia.
          1. +3
            7 November 2016 22: 01
            Quote: veteran66
            Demographic failures caused by the management of the Bolsheviks for a long time will affect the size of the population.

            Did you come up with this stupidity yourself? Or did Hitler advise you?
            1. 0
              9 November 2016 19: 53
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              You invented this stupidity yourself?

              USSR population
              The population of the USSR - section History, COURSE OF SOVIET HISTORY, 1917-1940 First, It is necessary to Tell About the Dynamics of the General Population of the USSR in the 1930s ...



              First, I must say about the dynamics of the total population of the USSR in the 1930s. It was undoubtedly influenced by many factors that are not easily taken into account in the aggregate. These include the entry of the USSR into the stage of a demographic transition, i.e., a transition to a different mode of population reproduction, brought to life by accelerated modernization processes and marked by a relatively rapid decrease in its natural growth rate. So, if in 1928 this indicator was equal to 2,41%, then in 1935 - 1,4%. Its rapid decline was also affected by the consequences of the demographic catastrophes of 1914-1922. And the main thing, which, apparently, needs to be paid attention to, is the results of the actions of the Stalinist leadership related to the forcible collectivization, the elimination of the kulaks as a class, and the famine of 1932-1933.

              Already in the mid-1930s, TsUNHU authorities began to report upward on the reduction in the number of children born. An attempt was made to solve this problem by a purely administrative measure - by prohibiting abortion. At first it produced a known effect. If in 1935, according to the statistics of registry offices, 4,9 million babies were born in the country, then in 1936 - 5,3 million, and in 1937 - 6,4 million. However, no prohibitions could stop the objective laws of the population movement, and in subsequent years the birth rate began to fall again. Moreover, as recently declassified documents testify, clandestine abortions and infant mortality began to grow rapidly in the country, which caused alarm among officials.

              At the beginning of 1937, a general population census was carried out in the country. Its total result (162 million people), in comparison with the statistics of the current demographic accounting, which had an estimated nature, showed a shortage of 6,3 million people. The discrepancy between the expected (and it was expected even much more than according to the current accounting) and real figures of the population infuriated a number of leaders and, above all, the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars Molotov. It was the statistics that were blamed, and not the sad results of previous experiments. The census was disavowed by a special commission, and the persons responsible for its conduct were repressed as enemies of the people. It was decided to conduct a new census at the beginning of 1939. One of its tasks was to "correct the shortcomings" of the previous one, that is, to hide from society the negative consequences of the policy pursued, which led to millions of victims.

              According to the official data of the 1939 census, the total population of the USSR was 170,6 million people. This figure is highly questionable. Most researchers agree that the figure of 167,3 million people, obtained as one of the intermediate results of the census, is closer to the truth, and then adjusted upward. (As a detailed analysis shows, at the expense of the youngest age groups). This is confirmed by current demographic statistics. According to her, natural population growth for 1937 and 1938. together amounted to 6,7 million people. If we subtract from this figure the number of people who suffered in the indicated years from "Yezhovism" and were shot in the dungeons of the NKVD (as already mentioned), then the second result looks much more plausible.

              At the same time, the official number of the population includes a kind of compromise. She seemed to recognize that in previous years there were significant casualties (in the amount of about 4-5 million people), which statistics have long drawn attention to. In reality, the number of supernatural attrition occurring in the 1930s ranges from 7 to 8 million people. This in itself is a huge figure, reminiscent of significant demographic disasters in history,
      6. +10
        7 November 2016 12: 17
        Far-fetched. Since 1985, when the birth rate went down, it was not the Bolsheviks who were in power, but marked evil spirits. The only minus of the Bolsheviks is that they did not see the "fifth column", in the form of the same hunchback and others like him. Since 1968, the birth rate has been growing, despite the failure caused by the Great Patriotic War. And what about mortality, taking into account the level of health care in the Russian Empire? For comparison, per 100 people from 1911 to 1915, the infant mortality rate in Moscow was 26,8, and in 1925 it dropped to 13. Why? "Bloodthirsty Bolsheviks" took care of an accessible health care system, including motherhood and childhood. This and the system, despite the attempts to "reform" it, still works. The peasantry gave birth to 7-9 children, and about 5% survived to 50 years.
      7. +1
        7 November 2016 19: 49
        Forecasts are good, especially astrological. But you did not notice the main thing in these forecasts, the word "IF".
        If the mediocre person does not turn out to be an importer, if the liberals do not plot, if the emperor does not plunge Russia into a war destructive for her, if there is no Civil War, and then World War II. if Russia is forced to divert gigantic means and forces in order to create an atomic bomb, otherwise we would be threatened to burn out in a nuclear fire and this instead of stimulating the birth rate to spend money on people's welfare.
        And so on - if, if, if.
        These gentlemen Medeleev and Glubokovsky did not know, as well as cataclysms, trials and destruction await Russia.
        Therefore, referring to them as the ultimate truth, to put it mildly, is incorrect. Well, if rude, stupid.
    4. +14
      7 November 2016 09: 35
      Happy Great Holiday on a planetary scale!
      Paris Commune - 70 days.
      USSR - 70 years.
      The next attempt at popular power is FOREVER!
      1. +5
        7 November 2016 10: 37
        Quote: Sergey S.
        The next attempt at popular power is FOREVER!

        God forbid from revolutions and coups.
        1. +8
          7 November 2016 12: 05
          Quote: RUSS
          God forbid from revolutions and coups.

          Any normal person will agree with you on this.
          The question must be posed in the wrong way.

          In times of extremely difficult, with the collapse of the governing bodies and a complete ideological impasse, power can go to a variety of political forces.
          Moreover, as a rule, society is polarized.
          As a result, two forces collide, the left and right.
          Examples are the very Bolsheviks who picked up power almost without a fight, and then gathered against themselves not only monarchists and owners, but also a broad international coalition.
          Another example - the Nazis - the extreme right-wing party, which destroyed the Communists in Germany almost completely, and then tried to implement a similar scenario at the world level.

          This is to say that a normal person will not provoke a special revolution. But in a critical situation, when a social cataclysm cannot be avoided, the same normal people should make the right choice, and not sit out. like mine, and actively act ...
          Otherwise, they will commit their bastard bourgeois-democratic revolution, which itself will turn into the dictatorship of the Nazis.

          Have I outlined something incomprehensible?
          Or did Ukraine teach us nothing?
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  2. +22
    7 November 2016 06: 01
    Happy October Great Socialist Revolution!
    Happy 99 summer victory dreams of justice - truly our holiday!
    1. +16
      7 November 2016 07: 41
      Quote: My address
      Happy October Great Socialist Revolution!

      Clearly.
      1. +4
        7 November 2016 07: 49
        Thank you comrade, but briefly on the case without the fantasies of a Petersburg writer
      2. +5
        7 November 2016 10: 33
        Dear Igor,

        I recommend removing this poster, there are many inappropriate facts of nonsense (t. K-I can confirm).

        For example, there was no Latvia and Estonia in 1917, and the Estland and Courland provinces were not occupied by the Germans

        Do not believe it, just check it yourself. hi
        1. +4
          7 November 2016 11: 18
          Quote: Aleksander
          I recommend removing this poster, there are a lot of inconsistent nonsense to the facts (t. K-I can confirm).

          What is true eye pricking?
          You should keep silent about the anti-Soviet note and Russophobe, if you are caught lying every time you crawl out of the stench cave and write fakes in the comments.
          1. +4
            7 November 2016 14: 20
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            What is it that really pricks the eyes? Would you keep silent the anti-Soviet and Russophobe notes if you are caught in a lie every time you crawl out of the stinking cave next fakes in the comments to write



            Yes, let's see what Comrade writes. The bloodsucker about this?
            =
            Bloodsucker
            The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, completely occupied by German troops. On the territory of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia government bodies are formed.


            Debriefing Comrade. Kr-i:

            The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, in full (nonsense, only a small part) occupied by German troops. In Estonia (nonsense, there was no one in Estonia), Lithuania (nonsense, there was no Lithuania) and Latvia (bullshit, there was no Latvia) government bodies are formed (delirium, no bodies of "state. power" were formed)

            Here is such a "historian" Bloodsucker- "teaches" members of the forum IN ....... history (!) (Parallel reality)

            Doesn't know Comrade Cr-i even holiday SA and Navy February 23, appointed in honor of the battles of the crane guards in February 1918 in ..... Estland province, which in the version of The Bloodsucker is already like .... YEAR Occupied lol
            1. +1
              7 November 2016 18: 59
              Quote: Aleksander
              p-I even feast of the SA and the Navy on February 23, appointed in honor of the battles of the crane guards in February 1918 in ..... the Estland province, which in the version of the Bloodsucker is already like .... YEAR occupied

              Yes, it shows your level, liar, and the baker.
              http://www.proza.ru/2014/04/28/1826
              1. +1
                7 November 2016 22: 23
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                Yes, it shows your level, liar, and the baker


                Until you confess to IGNORANCE I WILL print an analysis of your crap, let ALL forum users know WHAT for the pathetic propaganda. Quack.

                Debriefing Comrade. Krovrovopians:

                The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, fully occupied by German troops (nonsense, only a small part). In Estonia (nonsense, there was no Estonia), Lithuania (nonsense, there was no Lithuania) and Latvia (nonsense, there was no Latvia) government bodies are formed (delirium, no bodies of "state. power" were formed.

                In one statement, The Bloodthirster-4 (four) Ignorance.
                Disgrace ......

                PS Later, I’ll print the rest of the nonsense and about Poland and the Ruin, there you have SUCH pearls lol
            2. 0
              8 November 2016 10: 54
              Quote: Aleksander
              Doesn't know Comrade KR-I even feast of the SA and the Navy on February 23, appointed in honor of the battles of the crane guards in February 1918

              Unfortunately, another red myth about battles. On February 23, 18g, the Germans put forward an ultimatum to the Soviets. Ilyich him on the trail. day accepted. All. They could not stop the Germans. The most infamous Brest-Lithuanian world was concluded.
      3. avt
        +7
        7 November 2016 10: 58
        Quote: igordok
        Clearly.

        ABALDEL!? wassat laughing Erase immediately! laughing The pattern is already torn and the rolls crunch in tension .... French
        Quote: Aleksander
        I recommend removing this poster, there are many inconsistent nonsense facts
        Well, be a man! At least do not show humphrey. AND? bully А
        The Decree of the Provisional Government “on the formation of the General Secretariat, as the supreme governing body of regional affairs in Ukraine”, is in fact the creation of a special region in the Russian Stainless, with the assignment of the name of Ukraine to it. The same decree means that the population of this region will be called Ukrainians in state acts, and the language spoken by the population will be Ukrainian.
        in 1917, don’t think about expanding this topic, about which Shulgin wrotebully
      4. +6
        7 November 2016 11: 16
        Well, why did you put it out if all these dates and events were the ABSOLUTE fault of February and the Provisional Government?
        From OCTOBER 17, the Bolsheviks gathered the country, removing all those independent activists that you have gotten into the demotivator.
        1. avt
          +2
          7 November 2016 11: 43
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Well, why did you put it out if all these dates and events were the ABSOLUTE fault of February and the Provisional Government?

          wassat laughing Look, for the epistle, mana, quotes on the poster, however.
          1. +2
            7 November 2016 11: 51
            Uh ... my entu’s schedule and dates, however, knows ento, it’s not all written to you, ento mustache for the grief is the historian Alexander, he immediately has an allergic reaction, you know .. laughing
            1. avt
              +2
              7 November 2016 12: 31
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              understand ..

              Ponimash, vi-and-and-zhu - your "quote" button did not work. laughing
              1. +3
                7 November 2016 19: 00
                E .. I move .. doesn’t mean immediately an attack with a saber, although with respect to the liar aleskander, the saber must be kept open. drinks
  3. +27
    7 November 2016 06: 04
    Happy holiday, colleagues, with the brightest holiday.
    True wrote Alexander:
    If not for the Bolsheviks, Russian civilization would simply perish.

    Let someone think differently, but it is.
    1. +13
      7 November 2016 07: 52
      Quote: EvgNik
      If not for the Bolsheviks, Russian civilization would simply perish.
      Let someone think differently, but it is.


      Many people think differently: Non-Black Earth, the heart of Russia, who killed Mamai?

      Already by the 1985 year there stood half a million empty apartment buildings, 60 thousand villages died (from 180 thousand), overgrown with forest hundreds of thousands of hectares of fertile land, pastures and meadows. Nobody needed the land. And this is in the land where only a hundred years ago there was a mortal struggle for it, and the main question was: “WHERE TO GET THE EARTH ?!” Already at the beginning of the 80, the flow of young people from the villages of the Non-Black Earth Region, mercilessly pumped out and squeezed out during 50 years to raise the outskirts, construction and virgin lands, and in the poor Russian villages, robbed in favor of the nazokrains, mostly only old people remained.

      In the winter in the Smolensk region, as far as the eye-snow virgin is enough: no trace, no haze. Neither fists, nor elders, nor the middle peasants, nor the poor, nor the priests with the clerks, no one,. But a hundred years ago, life was in full swing here.

      Who will master this virgin land?
      1. +6
        7 November 2016 09: 54
        Thank you very much, Evgeny Nikolaevich for your congratulations! I am very glad to your poster !!!!!!!
        Hurray !!!!! Hurray !!!!!!! Hurray !!!!!!!!
      2. +7
        7 November 2016 10: 17
        Non-chernozem region
        I am from the Non-Black Earth Region. Well, you do not like Soviet power, but why lie?
        1. +3
          7 November 2016 14: 34
          Quote: Gardamir
          but why lie?


          And I'm from the Smolensk region. What is the lie, dear? FACTS are given from the monograph. DIN DENISOVA L.N. - THE DISAPPEARING VILLAGE OF RUSSIA NON-BLACK EARTH IN THE 1960-1980-YEARS.
          It is read very hard (many links to CSB, etc.), but interesting.

          I've seen the dying of the village since the 60's ........
      3. +10
        7 November 2016 11: 24
        Quote: Aleksander
        By 1985, there were half a million empty houses, 60 thousand villages (out of 180 thousand) died, hundreds of thousands of hectares of fertile land, pasture and meadows grew into forests.

        Blah blah blah, 40 million hectares in the wasteland now, this is the TRUTH, so you better keep quiet.
        Destroyed 18000 villages and villages, now, this is the TRUTH, so keep quiet.
        Killed 120000 factories, factories of other industries are now just about the truth, so keep quiet.
        Quote: Aleksander
        In winter in the Smolensk region, as far as the eye-snow virgin is enough: no trace, no haze. Neither fists, nor elders, nor the middle peasants, nor the poor, nor the priests with the clerks, no one. But a hundred years ago, life was in full swing here.
        Who will develop this virgin lands?

        It’s strange, but you didn’t try to master the TARGET in Moldova, Mr. anti-adviser? After all, it’s described now that what really exists NOW, not 25-30 years ago. So you, liberal verbiage are guilty of destroying all this.
        What do you rejoice so earnestly about Russia, not being useful to it, at least in terms of restoring agriculture?
        I recommend that you do the corn planting, square-nesting method in Moldova and at the same time take care of the apple and viticulture industry in the same place, but in Russia, we’ll get along without tearing apart owls.
        1. +3
          7 November 2016 14: 36
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Blah blah blah, 40 million hectares in the wasteland now, this is the TRUTH, so you better keep quiet. Destroyed 18000 villages and villages


          DENISOVA L.N. - THE DISAPPEARING VILLAGE OF RUSSIA A NON-BLACK EARTH IN THE 1960-1980-YEARS -There are a LOT of data from the CSB, etc.: to 1985 (the most social) m-half a million empty houses, minus 60 thousand villages, 200 thousand empty arable land, 30% reduction in pastures and grasslands.
          1. +3
            7 November 2016 19: 06
            Quote: Aleksander
            DENISOVA L.N. - THE DISAPPEARING VILLAGE OF RUSSIA A NON-BLACK EARTH IN THE 1960-1980-YEARS-

            It’s not interesting, the whim and anti-Soviet, emotions and no sense of meaning, the realities of modernity are completely different and they say that you both lied in 90. and now you're lying.
            That is why for you, Khrushchev, an untouchable figure, it’s rather friendly, if only because he destroyed the MTS, putting everything on the collective farms’s shoulders, although everyone who is not biased, having an understanding of what cooperation is, understands that you’re lying away by fencing off your accomplices
            1. +2
              7 November 2016 20: 15
              He not only did this, his epic with the enlargement of collective farms, then with the introduction of a tax on fruit trees, on household plots, the introduction of economic councils in each region, the division of regional committees into industrial and agricultural, in general, had fun "tovarisch" as he could.
              It was only as a result of his entertainment that a complete loss of controllability occurred and a real threat of hunger arose.
              I remember very well that as a kid during the summer holidays, in the early 60's, my mother woke me up early so that it would take a turn for an hour or an hour before the store opened, otherwise there might not be enough bread.
              And I wanted to sleep. The experimenter, ty him, brought the rural household to a pen, so the collective farmers in their personal plots began to cut down fruit trees so that they would not pay taxes, and cut the plots right down to the very windows of the huts.
              They say collective farmers should receive products on the collective farm.
            2. +2
              7 November 2016 22: 38
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              It’s not interesting, the whim and anti-Soviet, emotions and no sense of meaning, the realities of modernity are completely different and they say that you like lying to 90. And now you’re lying


              Data CSBgiven by Denisova is, of course, a merciless anti-Soviet, showing the rotten mug of the power that the rules in the period described
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              That is why for you, Khrushchev, an untouchable figure, it’s rather friendly, if only because he destroyed the MTS, putting everything on the collective farms’s shoulders, although everyone who is not biased, having an understanding of what cooperation is, understands that you’re lying away by fencing off your accomplices


              Half a million empty houses of Non-Black Earth in 1985 is a killer argument against all grades lol kommkov-from burry to labeled.
          2. 0
            8 November 2016 11: 00
            Quote: Aleksander
            DENISOVA L.N. - THE DISAPPEARING VILLAGE OF RUSSIA A NON-BLACK EARTH IN THE 1960-1980-YEARS -There are a LOT of data from CSB, etc.

            You do not prove anything to him. The bloodsuckers believe only links to the Torah and Talmud))
            At the same time, they deliciously crunch matzo, accusing you of crunch crust))
      4. +3
        7 November 2016 18: 56
        Quote: Aleksander
        In winter in the Smolensk region, as far as the eye-snow virgin is enough: no trace, no haze. Neither fists, nor elders, nor the middle peasants, nor the poor, nor the priests with the clerks, no one. But a hundred years ago, life was in full swing here.

        Who will develop this virgin lands?

        Time to sigh about an extinct village is long gone.
        About 100 years ago.
        Our peasant even in the USSR fed 4-5 citizens.
        And the European one is about 25.
        The peasant way of life of our village is long outdated, back in 1861 ...

        In Holland, in general, there are no villages in our understanding.
        And there is agricultural land.
        So there would be a desire for the authorities to equip agricultural enterprises, reinforced by law and economics, and we would have something to eat.
        1. +1
          7 November 2016 22: 43
          Quote: Sergey S.
          Time to sigh oh extinct the village has long gone. Years ago 100 ago


          Who fought for the land 100 years ago, if everyone died out?

          Quote: Sergey S.
          So there would be a desire for the authorities to equip agricultural enterprises, backed up by law and economically, and we would have something to eat


          And who will work there-Two of the casket?
      5. +2
        7 November 2016 20: 08
        Come on, have you ever been in non-chernozem territory yourself? I come from the Tula region, that same non-black soil - there was NO ONE abandoned village in 1985, nor were there abandoned houses.
        If only a few, and then for the reason that the owners or a new, more spacious house was built, or this escheat. Those. just no heirs.
        So it does not count, the agitation did not ride.
  4. +7
    7 November 2016 06: 11
    Thanks for the review essay.
    It always has been. In any event, several groups are interested. The feudalists overthrew the tsar so that there would be freedom of enterprise, and the tsar also prevented the West from getting pieces of Russian territory. But the Bolsheviks do not need it. Some made a revolution, others financed it, prepared it, others made a coup and used power after the Civil War.
    History does not teach, it punishes for not learned lessons. Almost 100 years later, everything repeated. The first again made a revolution, the second again spent, the third .... something late.
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 10: 19
      the second was spent again, the third .... something is late
      Is it possible that the lessons learned and the third simply did not allow?
  5. +20
    7 November 2016 06: 15
    The article is chaotic, but the meaning is clear and not new. The 100th anniversary of VOSr is coming. Liberoids will spin like snakes, trivializing the past of our Great People. All the betrayals from the liberals! Their "viviparous" organ is a thick and long tongue. But from this nothing is born except confusion in the minds of society.
    Uv. comrades, I made several attempts to "insert" the file with the international in honor of the holiday. But for some reason the format is not suitable for the site. To all patriots - please start the International in Russian. We will listen while standing. This is our story. And let's not let the politicians tear her into footcloths!
    1. +6
      7 November 2016 10: 09
      HAPPY HOLIDAY! love
    2. 0
      7 November 2016 18: 47
      Quote: siberalt
      Liberoids will be spinning with snakes, vulgarizing the past of our Great People. All betrayals from the liberals!

      Are you against the current government and the majority of the people now speak?
      1. +3
        7 November 2016 20: 18
        Most of the people for the liberals? So why didn’t they even gain 1,5% in the elections?
        1. 0
          8 November 2016 13: 16
          Quote: Ulan
          Most of the people for the liberals? So why didn’t they even gain 1,5% in the elections?

          Selective blindness? Look at the results of the elections at EP.
          1. +3
            8 November 2016 13: 24
            Quote: potroshenko
            Selective blindness? Look at the results of the elections at EP.

            This is for you, absolute blindness.
            They did not choose frank liberal marginals, unlike you.
            And unlike you, we do not have overtly Nazi forces in power.
    3. +1
      7 November 2016 23: 11
      Quote: siberalt
      To all patriots - please start the international in Russian. We will listen while standing.

      It's just enchanting !!!!!!!!!!!!
      Do you hear yourself? Patriots (!!!!!!) must launch the international (!!!!!).
      So who are they? Patriots or internationalists?
      That was all she was. Through-the-mirror Soviet morality. Where black was called white. And vice versa.
  6. +29
    7 November 2016 06: 17
    Indeed, this day cannot be deleted from the history of Russia.


    All a Happy Holiday! love
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 14: 48
      [Quote] [/ quote]
  7. +25
    7 November 2016 06: 23
    Great holiday. If the authorities did not want to celebrate it as the anniversary of the revolution, then they could at least celebrate it as Justice Day. And what, exactly in essence, would the people willingly support. But, the government seeks to eradicate the memory of the Great October Socialist Revolution, or to slander those events. And here's why: the Bolsheviks were really engaged in the development of the country, they successfully carried out its electrification, eliminated illiteracy, (see the sensational movie about Poklonskaya, where she attributed the words of Chatsky to Suvorov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEdO5oaRD8) Until Russia still exists thanks to the infrastructure developed during the Soviet era, it was rebuilt twice after large-scale wars. The revolution resulted in the creation of a full-fledged civilization of world significance. And another, very important point - the Bolsheviks did not use the situation for personal enrichment.
    That is why, even the memory of the existence of the Soviet Union is fatal, not defyable by the accusation of the current government, accustomed to inaction and theft.
    Once again, all on the occasion of the Great October Revolution!
  8. +18
    7 November 2016 06: 23
    Happy Holidays! Glory to October, thanks to which the Soviet Union was born! The state, which really solved a lot in the international arena, which provided a normal standard of living for citizens and at the same time had the opportunity to help others.
    1. +4
      7 November 2016 11: 27
      All from the Holidays of the Great October !!!
      Samsonov Alexander thank you for the article.
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    1. +15
      7 November 2016 06: 51
      Quote: Danil Larionov
      Of course, maybe it was only your Lenin who hated the Russians

      If you wish, I am tearing you from Lenin's works of quotations for every taste:
      “Are we, the Great Russian conscious proletarians, alien to the sense of national pride? Of course not! We love our language and our homeland, we work most of all to raise its working masses (that is, 9/10 of its population) to the conscious life of democrats and socialists ... ”
      Lenin V.I. On the national pride of the Great Russians. 1914. MSS. T. 26 p. 107-108.
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  11. +15
    7 November 2016 06: 49
    Article minus. the author, in an effort to whitewash the Bolsheviks, shows tremendous illiteracy and ignorance of the cultural history of the USSR. The Soviet state was associated with Russia only by the territory and the state language. In everything else - from the form of state structure to mass culture - this state was different. And the society was built on different principles. The leaders of the All-Union Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union spoke about the "new historical community - the Soviet people". The bearers of the culture of the Russian civilization - the aristocracy, the intelligentsia, the priesthood, the traditional peasantry - were physically exterminated by the new government or squeezed out of the country. Suffice it to recall the "philosophical steamer" or the mass destruction of churches, coupled with the state's anti-religious policy. Those cultural pillars that formed the basis of Old Russia and Russian civilization were replaced by new, convenient ones that met the interests of the Bolshevik government. therefore, there can be no talk of any "salvation" here.
    1. +15
      7 November 2016 07: 24
      Yes, for more than twenty-five years there has been no Soviet power, and has Russia gone far? belay but now only temples are being built!
      1. +6
        7 November 2016 08: 33
        The fact that churches are being built is good, but we have churches and factories that are slowly but nevertheless being built - remember the same Kaluga region, and this is in stark contrast to the devastating 90s, when the eternal communists and Komsomol members began to become "entrepreneurs" without understanding the essence of entrepreneurship. And arocomplexes in different regions are also gradually being commissioned.
      2. +2
        7 November 2016 08: 41
        You dear Uncle Murzik, if you don’t know, then don’t write better! Anyone who is interested will always find what is being built in Russia now. Believe me not only churches ... Although about churches, I can tell you that they are mainly built on public donations.
        1. +9
          7 November 2016 11: 32
          Quote: You Vlad
          Although about the temples, I can tell you that they are mainly built on public donations.

          Tell this, for example, to the staff of the hospital in Vladikavkaz, where the SURGERY building was taken away and instead the church was built, healed, healed, buried, buried, is that your ideal?
          1. +1
            7 November 2016 13: 54
            This particular one comes from not a great mind of local bureaucracy! hi
        2. +3
          7 November 2016 12: 57
          dear Mr. Vlad, I know perfectly well that I live in Russia! yes, it’s done in Moscow, St. Petersburg, in the north, but this is far from the whole of Russia! let's look at the numbers: The population with cash incomes below the cost of living in Russia in the first quarter of 2016 increased up to 22,7 million people compared to 14,4 million in the fourth quarter of 2015. On Friday, June 17, according to Rosstat. The data are excluding information on the Crimea and Sevastopol. Apparently these 23 million did not hear about it lolTotal unemployment, calculated according to the methodology of the International Labor Organization, according to the Federal State Statistics Service, increased from September to November 2015 by 400 million people. So, if in September the level of general unemployment was 4 million people or 5,2% of the economically active population of the country, then in November this figure increased to 5,8%, and the number of unemployed in the Russian Federation grew to 4,4 million people.
          The day before, the Russian government said that at present, 631 thousand people are at risk of dismissal. As of the end of December 2015, 60,4 thousand organizations announced that they had fired and were laid off.


          More on TASS:
          http://tass.ru/ekonomika/2590389
          1. +1
            7 November 2016 13: 47
            http://rus.vrw.ru/page/chto-stroitsja-v-rossii Это не Питер и не Москва.
            1. +2
              7 November 2016 16: 55
              Vlad, and where is the logic, judging by the unemployed and the poor? Apparently it closes even more! I myself saw how a cereal factory opened, I worked exactly six months! lol and money bye bye! wassat
              1. 0
                7 November 2016 17: 24
                I answered your statement mister that only churches are being built in Russia? It was logical, of course, to answer income statistics laughing the approach is felt ... And as for the unemployed and the poor, those who want to work will always find work! In our city there are 15-25 tons of salaries and not what people buy cars and live normally! And if you plump and nothing to do then then Of course the state is to blame! And about your statistics, so we have more than half the people get a gray salary .....
                1. +2
                  8 November 2016 06: 32
                  23 million parasites and alcoholics are not many? belay Yes, and nonsense about gray salaries, who needs it, but where is our state! Want another example in the Okoneshnikovo district of the Omsk region they built a slaughterhouse gave the entrepreneur 2 million state money, she did not work for a day, but they reported! site "under construction in Russia"! you probably do not go further than your city, go to the village to see a lot of interesting things!
                  1. 0
                    8 November 2016 17: 38
                    20 million people in Russia do not work officially. Nowadays, there is no problem finding work. And about these 2 million, so the state will return them do not worry .. Basically, I smiled lol
                    1. +2
                      9 November 2016 07: 34
                      gee gee gee you turn on the logic, if we are building a lot of enterprises then there are fewer unemployed and poor, but for some reason we have a turn! laughing two enterprises are opened and two are closed, or the open one simply does not work and the money was stolen! Here is another example "From this we can conclude that in 2015 the trend associated with the opening and closing of individual entrepreneurs was deplorable. In total, this is for every 3 percent of the increase in the number of small entrepreneurs accounted for 5 percent of entrepreneurs who ceased to exist.In figures, this trend looks like this:

                      closed IP on average 7 500 thousand;
                      IE opened an average of 6 thousand.! Well, how did you smile? lol
    2. +13
      7 November 2016 07: 43
      Before blaming the past, the present should be better at times ...
    3. +6
      7 November 2016 10: 31
      The Soviet state was associated with Russia
      What connects the Federation? They even want to abandon the language, it will be Russian, and they will also rule, they will translate it into the Latin alphabet at all. What pillars are you talking about? For three years now I have been asking why the holy Russian word volunteer banned and replaced by a liberal volunteer.
      The current lies are not ceasing. Who is the example of Mannerheim, Kolchak for them? But did you know that Prince Vasily, after his baptism, unlike Jesus, baptized Russia with fire and a sword. Before his baptism, his name was Vladimir. Taking Polotsk in the presence of parents raped their daughter, then executed his parents, and took the Princess of Polotsk as a wife. Then he took Kiev, tricked and killed his brother and took his wife to himself. How many wives and concubines he had, the story is silent. But here it is the holiness of the current government.
      1. +4
        7 November 2016 17: 40
        Dear Gardamir, I would like to remind you that the capture of Polotsk and Kiev took place before the Baptism of Russia and before the adoption of Christianity by Vladimir. But after baptism, the prince's behavior has changed dramatically.
    4. +4
      7 November 2016 11: 02
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      The carriers of the culture of Russian civilization — aristocracy, intelligentsia, priesthood, traditional peasantry — were physically exterminated by the new government or squeezed out of the country.

      About the intelligentsia as the bearer of the culture of Russian civilization - you said that very much, yes ...
      In the guise of the intelligentsia, as an ideological and political force in Russian historical development, one can distinguish between a constant element, as it were, a solid form, and an element more variable, fluid - the content. The ideological form of the Russian intelligentsia is its detachment, its alienation from the state and hostility to it.
      (...)
      But we would not define the essence of the intelligentsia if we indicated its detachment only in the above-defined sense. Intelligent detachment is characterized not only by its anti-state character, but also by its lack of religiosity. Denying the state, fighting it, the intelligentsia rejects its mysticism not in the name of some other mystical or religious principle, but in the name of the rational and empirical principle.
      This is the deepest philosophical and psychological contradiction that weighs on the intelligentsia. She denies peace in the name of peace, and thus does not serve either the world or God. True, in Russian literature, with a light hand, mainly by Vladimir Solovyov, a kind of legend about the religiosity of the Russian intelligentsia was established.
      © P. Struve. The intelligentsia and the revolution.
      1. +4
        7 November 2016 17: 35
        By the intelligentsia, I actually meant writers, poets, composers, scientists, teachers, teachers ... I don’t know what detachment can be attributed to Ivan Bunin, Pitirim Sorokin, Vladimir Nabokov, Ivan Ilyin. No, of course I'm not talking about pseudo-intelligentsia, which only uses the appearance of the real intelligentsia.
    5. +3
      7 November 2016 20: 24
      Interesting. So what is it that Russia before Peter and the Russian Empire is also connected only by "territory and state language"? According to your criteria, this is exactly the case.
      And present-day Russia, of course, has no relation to the nickname of the USSR, nor to RI.
      This is called - agreed.
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  14. +12
    7 November 2016 07: 00
    On the occasion of the Great October Revolution, on the feast of the Military Glory of Russia, on the feast of the military parade on Red Square! Russia is power!
    1. +1
      8 November 2016 10: 06
      Immediately I remember coupons for rations - for meat sausage, sugar, butter - it was really a holiday when I managed to buy at least something, having stood in line for several hours. And in most cases - I could not buy anything, I still keep it to show children, grandchildren and "stubborn commies" who brought the empire to collapse!
      1. +3
        8 November 2016 11: 45
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        I immediately remember the coupons for rations - for meat, sausage, sugar and butter - there really was a holiday when it was possible to buy at least something, having stood for several hours in line


        And to the bazaar? And to the co-operator? Stop hanging noodles on the ears. The price of meat has not risen since 1960.

        At the current price, (it corresponds as it used to be in a restaurant), you look at the column of consumption and not on the shelves (hell knows what quality products are.
        And the fish, the hake is in (given prices) as salmon once.

        At that time, taverns loaded (from day to day) complex lunches from 1.79 to 2. 50 rubles (chop in the palm of your hand, and Czech beer (48 kopecks-0.5) - well, this is true only in Moscow) you remember, or the memory went out.
        1. +1
          9 November 2016 10: 10
          How Moscow and the rest of the country were supplied - there was a huge difference.
          Only you had everything in Moscow. In the rest of the country - not a damn thing.
          There was no meat - not in the market, especially cooperatives.

          But the nomenclature was purchased in separate stores - where everything was also, the aunt worked in a similar "closed" establishment for those close to the authorities.
          And the store directors and merchandisers lived very well.

          Father flew and brought stew from the north (Tiksi, Salekhard, etc.)! The stew was not for sale - although there was a large cannery in the region.

          So don't tell me about your Moscow joys, about cheap Czech beer and set meals for 1,75-2,50 - someone in the army had to pack at 0,35-0,40 for lunch. You could tear your ass off and go outside the capital to see the "joy" of socialism for "NOT MOSCOW".

          When I was in Moscow in the late 70s and 80s, I saw how much better Moscow was supplied compared to the province.
          Most of the villages were so poor that they had not seen oil for years - although they all had cows in the farmstead, they did not have separators for processing milk and they did not know what a refrigerator was either, there were "glaciers" in the villages.
  15. +15
    7 November 2016 07: 05
    WITH A HOLIDAY, DEAR COMRADES!
    Strange twists in the brain of all sorts of different figures broadcasting in the media or on television. They don’t believe the letters of * Zion’s sages *, but they believe all sorts of COPYRIGHT fakes against real builders of RUSSIA immediately and unconditionally. What is happening around the memory of Ivan the Terrible, in Lenin and Stalin is more than convincing examples. Sometimes it seems that HEROES OF RUSSIA are appointed in the church and always on the basis of who caused the most harm to RUSSIA. Such and saints will be recorded.
    It seems to me that the * criteria * by which the acts of the GREAT ruler can be distinguished are non-possessiveness and the equality of ALL before the law.
    Today in RUSSIA they are trying to create * communities * of jurisdictional and irresponsible. Otherwise, there is no way to understand that some obvious criminals are not persecuted. Even convicted of theft or murder, they are not punished. Vaughn and Raikin voiced claims for permissiveness. Today, there is again a * class * of non-jurisdictional.
    That's just the time is different and the PEOPLE of RUSSIA will no longer need three hundred years to realize the fundamental changes.
    1. +6
      7 November 2016 12: 26
      In some comments, the accusations are so absurd that they are already ridiculous, but they are voiced anyway. The accusations that the GREAT OCTOBER SOCIALIST REVOLUTION split RUSSIA or made the Civil War inevitable, let alone in anything else, oh yes in terror, are so categorical and stupid.
      What, in tsarist RUSSIA all the people were * monolithic *?
      * Whites * didn’t start the Civil War relying on the invaders?
      It is strange that none of the Russophobes likes to read eyewitnesses of events where about * white terror * it is so much surprising that the invaders and whites were taken prisoner, and not shot on the spot.
      1. +5
        7 November 2016 14: 58
        Quote: Vasily50
        * Whites * did not start civil war

        Correctly put the quotation marks. "White" is just a nickname given by all sorts of socialists. The First White Insurgent Army appeared only in 1922. The Red Army of the communist dictatorship fought Russian Army Government of Russia.
        1. +3
          7 November 2016 20: 29
          Yeah ... confusing the concept of government and "supreme ruler" is cool. And who appointed this gentleman the Supreme Ruler? Is he himself? Entente?
          In fact, the first army was organized in December 17th - January 18th and it was called the Volunteer Army. They called themselves the White Army. The materiel is clearly lame.
          1. +1
            7 November 2016 23: 06
            Quote: Ulan
            The materiel is clearly lame.

            You are right, your education is unsatisfactory. The Russian government (Government of the Russian state) is the highest body of state power formed in Omsk after November 18, 1918, headed by the Supreme Ruler of Russia, Admiral Alexander Vasilievich Kolchak. I think that Admiral Kolchak knew better than you what his name is army.
            1. +5
              7 November 2016 23: 29
              Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
              . The Russian government (Government of the Russian state) is the supreme body of state power formed in Omsk after November 18, 1918, headed by the Supreme Ruler of Russia, Admiral Alexander Vasilievich Kolchak.

              . The Russian government (the Government of the Russian state) is the supreme body of state power, formed after November 7, 1917 in Kudykinogor, headed by the Supreme Ruler of Russia, Admiral-General Kuda-Nikuda-Vykin-Executioner-who also knew what his gang was called. wink
              But not voiced. There must have been more honor.
            2. +3
              8 November 2016 12: 46
              What does "educated" mean? A handful of people gathered and "organized" themselves, and the Entente recognized them. Kornilov also knew what to call his army.
      2. +3
        8 November 2016 10: 12
        And the Wrangel’s army consisted of captured Red Army men by 30% —says nothing to you?
        The people did not care for whom to fight, but rather it would all be over.
        The bloody civil war, and after it the great terror - these are also communists.
        1. 0
          8 November 2016 17: 11
          "And Wrangel's army consisted of 30% of the captured Red Army soldiers" DimerVladimer Can you link? belay
          1. +1
            9 November 2016 10: 33
            Quote: Uncle Murzik
            And 30% of Wrangel's army consisted of captured Red Army soldiers "DimerVladimer, can you link?



            On June 16 (art.) Tanks, armored vehicles and infantry went to break through the red positions. The tanks were crushed by wire fences, the front was broken, the Kuban Cossack regiments rushed into the breakthrough. Two days of fighting, and Tsaritsyn, the “Red Verdun,” fell.
            For forty days of fighting, from Manych to Tsaritsyn, the Wrangel army took 40 thousand prisoners, 70 guns, 300 machine guns, two armored trains, the “Lenin” and the “Trotsky”.
            In September, battles for Tsaritsyn began again. Now he was stormed by the Reds. With the help of tanks on the approaches to Tsaritsyn, the advancing Red infantry was defeated and withdrew. The troops of the Caucasian army perked up. In total, 18 thousand prisoners, 31 guns and 180 machine guns were taken near Tsaritsyn.
            The replenishment received by Wrangel consisted mainly of captured Red Army soldiers. Some eyewitnesses claimed that prisoners made up 80% of all Wrangel units.
            http://www.xliby.ru/voennaja_istorija/belye_gener
            aly / p6.php
            There are several sources citing different figures. The above is one of them.

            In general, this is a common tactic - the prisoners are offered a choice - either you fight for the Volunteer Army or against the wall. They could also "bind" by the fact that they were forced to participate in the executions of the Red commanders and commissars - the majority did not care - if only they themselves were not shot. Therefore, many passed from the Red Army to the Volunteer Army and vice versa several times.
    2. 0
      8 November 2016 10: 08
      Quote: Vasily50
      WITH A HOLIDAY, DEAR COMRADES!


      Dear here, only the oligarchs.
      Correctly say - endure the rogues, as the leader of the nation ordered!
  16. +13
    7 November 2016 07: 08
    Congratulations to all on a holiday! We must continue to celebrate in spite of all enemies and spiteful critics!
  17. +15
    7 November 2016 07: 16
    There is a lot of debate about who is a communist. I joined the Communist Party in the army and they gave me recommendations from the Western World War II. Those who wrote statements going into battle to be communists. Therefore, I consider those who burned their party tickets in the 90s as traitors to Judas.
    1. +13
      7 November 2016 07: 24
      And I completed the two-year course of journalism at the University of Marxism-Leninism at an excellent age of 17 boy years (and this is a fact), received a higher political education before the army and before the state university, but did not join the party in principle, later sacrificing my career. However, I never refused the communist idea and I believe in it. The future is hers.
      1. +6
        7 November 2016 07: 36
        Happy October Great Socialist Revolution!
        Quote: siberalt
        And I finished the two-year course of journalism at the University of Marxism-Leninism perfectly at 17 boy years (and this is a fact),

        Those. Have you entered the University of Marxism-Leninism at the age of 15? And who recommended you there?
        1. +8
          7 November 2016 08: 40
          That's right. The director of ILM GK CPSU I.A. Pustynnikov decided on an experiment at the request of my father 2 years before Brezhnev, who had been in the party for 50 years. It seems like I'm the only one in the USSR. But I have real documents. Then it did not seem strange to me. But for admission to the exams, I had to join the Komsomol on the same day (May 28, 1970).
          There are many more amazing people on our site, so what?
          1. +7
            7 November 2016 09: 32
            Quote: siberalt
            There are many more amazing people on our site, so what?

            There are many amazing destinies in life.
            Happy Holidays!
            1. +5
              7 November 2016 09: 52
              Thank! Same to you!
      2. +1
        8 November 2016 10: 32
        Quote: siberalt
        And I completed the two-year journalism course at the University of Marxism-Leninism perfectly ... However, I never refused the communist idea and I believe in it. The future is hers.


        I believe in communist ideology
        If all the stubborn commies were to be thrown into the village of the 1960-1970s - where they were hunchbacked for free - for the sticks of workdays, and they were forced to feed from their gardens. I would look at your contented faces.

        Being in the homeland of his father, in the Smolensk region, the Khislavichi district in 1976 was the heyday of the USSR. From the asphalt road to the village 15 km along a road rolled up in the field, which in the rain became impassable - no transport.
        In the village there is one store in which bread and salt were delivered once a month to margarine, which was considered a delicacy - it was sprinkled with sugar and ate with bread - it was terrible poverty. They ate everything that they got from their subsidiary plots. From poverty and despair - the rural people thumped moonshine without drying out and the reason is clear - when you were determined to live so that your life would be humped for free or penniless, without the hope of any improvement in life, so that you could die in poverty - wouldn’t it be buzzing?
        Father was lucky - he fled the village, got an education, flew, saw the country and in the village, they looked at him as a celestial. Only his mother was worried - that Volodka didn't drink - maybe she was sick, and after drinking a glass of moonshine herself in the morning, she went to the collective farm field - hunched over the commies so that they could carry a blizzard from the stands about "equality", "brotherhood".
        Communists - YOU ARE HYBRID CREATORS!
  18. +8
    7 November 2016 07: 32
    Happy Holidays, comrades! ... Nothing, nothing else will pour out to the cat, mouse tears ...
  19. +14
    7 November 2016 07: 33
    Then the moderators managed to remove comments about V. I. Lenin. The author of which claimed that he allegedly "hated the Russian people" Strange, I hated it, but at the same time created such a state, such conditions for the people, and not only Russian, but for all others, that the number of Russian population in the USSR was steadily growing. At least the people did not die out as it happens today. Not there, comrade, looking for haters. Not there!
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 21: 28
      Moreover: the number of the Russian people in the USSR grew much faster than the total population.
      Children from mixed marriages were preferred to be recorded by Russians and brought up in the Russian tradition. Russian culture was studied in all schools of the USSR, in all republics.

      Compare with shitty democratic change and draw conclusions.
  20. +9
    7 November 2016 07: 45
    Glory to the Great October Revolution!
    The current government itself is preparing a repetition of a version of a hundred years ago. Apparently, history taught her nothing.
  21. +8
    7 November 2016 07: 49
    An article full of lies - designed for those who are not familiar with the rule of the party party in the USSR. Who doesn’t know their story, but draws information from such authors. I’m not going to defend the tsar and the interim government, but their mistakes and maybe even crimes can’t justify everything that happened during the Soviet era (terror of the population, loss of empire, impoverishment of people, bringing to the level of slavery, the collapse of the USSR and much more) But God bless them, the Communists - it’s surprising how the site is degrading ... people who are able to analyze are supplanted - by congratulations on the October Revolution .. but this is probably trifles - I can imagine then there will be done on Valentine's Day ....
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 11: 15
      all that happened during the Soviet era (terror of the population, loss of empire, impoverishment of people, bringing to the level of slavery, the collapse of the USSR and much more)
      when they undertake to talk about something with what do they compare? Terror of the population, especially in the 90s, the loss of territories (gifts to Norway, China, and it seems too early to put an end to it), impoverishment, are you talking about "money will not survive"?
    2. +7
      7 November 2016 11: 39
      Quote: nik1321
      An article full of lies - designed for those who are not familiar with the rule of the party party in the USSR

      That is, you do not know the story of what and signed.
      Strange you are, some anti-advisers, you’re waiting on the principle ... the worse for the country the better for you, probably because you wouldn’t associate your future with it all for London and phishington hang around ...
      Quote: nik1321
      I’m not going to defend the tsar and the interim government, but their mistakes and maybe even crimes can’t justify everything that happened during the Soviet era (terror of the population, loss of empire, impoverishment of people, bringing slavery to the level, collapse of the USSR and much more)

      What intensity .. what a lie, in what school did you learn this "altitude"?

      Quote: nik1321
      the site is degrading ... people capable of analysis are supplanted - by congratulations on the holiday of the October Revolution .. but it's probably trifles - I can imagine what will be done on Valentine's Day ....

      The site has degraded ... no, it’s more likely that you, liberal marginals are completely degrading. And this can be seen from the end of 2010, when your barking on the Internet was as high as never before, and now so pathetic whimpering-IF this site is not acceptable to you, go to Echo of Moscow, Rain, they will greet you there, another question, they will greet you, but who will listen to you, if it becomes clear to more and more people that you are a miserable bunch of talkers mired in lies, and others even in frank betrayal- Kasparov, Khodorkovsky, Kasyanov ...
      So your destiny is the celebration of Halloween and the Catholic St. Valentine, no more, you have nothing to do with the rest of the Russian Holidays.
    3. +2
      7 November 2016 20: 37
      And where are the dates ... ugh. analysis where? In addition to general words about anything. There is nothing in your message. Analysis and does not smell.
    4. +1
      8 November 2016 10: 48
      Quote: nik1321
      An article full of lies - designed for those who are not familiar with the rule of the party party in the USSR. Who does not know his story, but draws information from similar authors


      They don’t understand that history itself put an end to them - and they are going to yell atherosclerotic slogans on the forums - Lenzhiv yes KommNashVse - nothing new, old man's insanity.
      My father is 83 — he hates communists.

      My father flew and made good money (we lived relatively well under the Communists), but nothing is impossible to buy - there is simply nothing in the stores. By distribution: the apartment was in the queue, and without the queue, the apartment was given not to those who had a technical education and worked well, but to the one who had 8 classes of education, thumped, worked as a loader, but guarded four children.

      In Soviet times, Moscow was well supplied and accordingly lived (as it is now) and some closed cities connected with the defense industry.
      With such "social justice", communism could not win in the competition between systems.
      Because the quality of your work did not depend on the reward.
      1. +3
        8 November 2016 13: 37
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        In Soviet times, Moscow was well supplied and accordingly lived (as it is now) and some closed cities connected with the defense industry.

        I must admit that in the USSR the Georgian-Armenians and the Baltic were also well supplied. Ukraine lived well, but this is in comparison with the poor Russian outback.
        1. +1
          9 November 2016 11: 47
          Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
          I must admit that in the USSR the Georgian-Armenians and the Baltic were also well supplied. Ukraine lived well, but this is in comparison with the poor Russian outback.


          I would not divide according to nat sign.
          The Baltic states have always looked good - and during the USSR.
          It was just that the Balts treated their land, their cities - as OWN, they didn’t litter on the streets, there were roads in the order they looked like abroad. I think this is only thanks to my own efforts.

          And Georgians and Armenians are a very hardworking people and, unlike our slaughtered and drunken peasantry, working for sticks / workdays, they worked in their plots, growing grapes, fruits, vegetables and selling them - which made sense to their work.

          In the RSFSR, a grandmother selling strawberries - was considered a fiend of the past - they were driven by district police officers, and someone younger - according to the article for speculation.
          1. +2
            10 November 2016 02: 42
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            Georgians and Armenians are a very hardworking people and, unlike our slaughtered and drunken peasantry

            Hardworking Georgians in the 90s sawed down trees and drowned stoves in apartments. The Armenians simply rolled into the Russian Federation, rather than working at home.
      2. +2
        8 November 2016 17: 18
        and apartment cooperatives! who had money quietly bought a cooperative! you fantasize, to put it mildly, who earned it could calmly buy what he needs in the markets! my father bought Lada for markets really more expensive, did not wait in line! and your father can be sympathetic, hatred has not done anyone better! hi
        1. +3
          9 November 2016 11: 18
          Quote: Uncle Murzik
          and apartment cooperatives! who had money quietly bought a cooperative! you fantasize, to put it mildly, who earned it could calmly buy what he needs in the markets! my father bought Lada for markets really more expensive, did not wait in line! and your father can be sympathetic, hatred has not done anyone better!


          My father stood in line for an apartment for about 20 years. But this "queue" is very flexible - the party organizers were very flexible in shifting the queue, good acquaintances, drunks - but with many children - had to be given, so he lives in the same house built in the 50s.
          Housing cooperatives in our city, appeared in the late 80s, a sister in this bought an apartment.
          In 1977, the VAZ-2103 "was allocated to the crew - as the winners of the socialist competition for fuel economy. Buy a car is free - but they were not then - the distribution system, however.

          Despite the fact that the pilots, including my father, lived almost an order of magnitude better than 95% of the population of the USSR (I looked at his payroll sheets - in the 70s they flew 250-320 hours a month in the north, he received 500-800 rubles).
          But the main thing is that the pilots could bring from different parts of the country that which never got into our provincial millionth city by distribution. I brought fruit from the south, meat from the north, consumer goods from Moscow, and even imported — I’m sinning to complain — my father provided family well and at the same time we, like all pilot families, planted potatoes in personal plots, vegetables, many had orchards, with who were fed to diversify their food.
          For all that, pilots never entered the nomenclature and could not realize their earned money into goods.

          Current civil aviation pilots earn 350000-550000 rubles per month, depending on experience and flight time, and can afford much more than the pilots of the USSR Civil Aviation.

          The economic and social system of the USSR was vicious in its utopianism.
          It did not contribute to the improvement of labor, since it depended very little on the person and his work was not appreciated in any way. In the end, it was precisely this that drove into the coffin of the USSR, which received income from the sale of hydrocarbons and was therefore weak - losing in the economic war.
  22. +14
    7 November 2016 07: 55
    I join the forum comrades and congratulate everyone on the Great Holiday of the Great October Revolution.
  23. +14
    7 November 2016 07: 59
    One must respect his story. No wonder they called the revolution GREAT!
    Happy Great October Socialist Revolution!
  24. +20
    7 November 2016 08: 00
    I don’t know, but today we have a day off, as a public holiday feel
    This is our story, there’s no getting away from it. request And the events that made a turning point in history happened recently, and therefore they are more significant for today's people than some ghostly 4-5 centuries of range winked We then, a small (in terms of population) country, still honor truly real events (although they announce us there in the Soviet Union, etc.) wink And great Russia, on the occasion of pro-Western liberalists, renounced its past, replacing it with some obscure day of unity what This is my personal opinion, but with all my heart I would like you to claim the role of the pillars of the world, return to reality and not be ashamed of your past. Whatever they say, but October subsequently led to a loss of faith, but to the formation of a powerful economic power, which was able to withstand fascism in the 40s and Anglo-Saxonism in subsequent years. Always if there are minuses in something, then there are certainly pluses hi
    Happy Holidays (although it’s our day off, and you work smile and think wink )
  25. +13
    7 November 2016 08: 07
    In its relation to the Great October Revolution, our society today has been divided into camps. For those who remember and honor this event, and for those who condemn the revolution. We will not calculate who is more, although in my opinion the supporters of October are still the majority. This is not the case. Recently, they assured us that everyone needs "unite and reconcile". A good thing, but what should this unity be based on? A better foundation than our own story you can imagine. We just need to stop reshaping, distorting and falsifying it. For example, in France, historians also do not hide that their Great French Revolution was bloody, and there were many innocent victims. But the "Marseillaise" there is the National Anthem, Bastille Day is a national holiday, and the sad little head of Louis the 16th with the inscription "Forgive us, Sovereign" does not look at people from the portraits of the streets of Paris. Why, no one there even cares where this utyrka, in an embrace with the head cut off by the revolutionaries, was buried. But only Russia should be ashamed of its history ... This is wrong. The revolution MUST be loved as much as we loved VICTORY on May 9, 1945.
    And then - we will come to our national agreement.
    By the way, it will come when Putin ceases to accept the Victory Parade from the plywood stands - and ascends to the podium of the Lenin Mausoleum. Then everything will be the way.
    1. +7
      7 November 2016 09: 42
      Putin cannot stand at the Mausoleum - he burns his legs.
    2. +1
      7 November 2016 11: 29
      For example, in France, historians also do not hide the fact that their Great French Revolution was bloody, and there were many innocent victims ................. The revolution MUST be loved just like .... ....
      Do you even understand what you’re saying? A hundred years have passed, as citizens climbed onto the barricades, and all cravings are preserved, through the centuries. They haven’t learned anything, even ....and there are many innocent victims.
  26. +11
    7 November 2016 08: 10
    Congratulations on the anniversary of the Great October Revolution!
    I declare the festive concert open.
    / "classic" in modern processing /
  27. +7
    7 November 2016 08: 13
    I saw the title and immediately realized who the author was. Black day calendar.
    1. +5
      7 November 2016 10: 40
      Black day calendar.
      It is strange what the fan of the Holy Roman Empire does on the Russian site?
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F%
      D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%B8%
      D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%
      D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F
    2. +8
      7 November 2016 10: 40
      Quote: GUSAR
      I saw the title and immediately realized who the author was. Black day calendar.

      Today's date is a great day of mourning, perhaps I will drink in the evening without clinking glasses.
    3. +9
      7 November 2016 11: 40
      Cry. Wear mourning clothes and cry.
      A pitiful sight, however ... a crying anti-Soviet and Russophobe.
      1. +6
        7 November 2016 17: 42
        You’ve got a small mistake. The anti-Soviet does not equal Russophobe. Rather, they are antagonistic concepts.
        1. +3
          8 November 2016 06: 49
          Most often the same, as practice shows. But I'm not talking about that, actually.

          You, lieutenant, continue your vicious practice: you didn’t have time to finish one topic, you immediately climb into another with exactly the same level of ardor and “competence”, and then you will again complain that your work does not allow you to answer all the questions asked to you in time and unanswered questions lol laughing

          And in the topic about Lenin and the Bolsheviks, once again I examined in detail your ignorance about the RJV, and again I had to remind you of the discussion you stubbornly avoided discussing the topic of technological backwardness of the Russian Empire (about backwardness, not about the empire - you just like to talk about , yes all with errors lol )

          Well, you, you understand that, right? laughing
      2. +1
        7 November 2016 19: 25
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        Cry. Wear mourning clothes and cry.
        A pitiful sight, however ... a crying anti-Soviet and Russophobe.

        However, you are crying about the lost past, whining here every day. They have already choked with your tears in Hell.
  28. +11
    7 November 2016 08: 42
    demotivator
    Today, 08: 07
    For example, in France ... "Marseillaise" there is the national anthem, Bastille Day is a national holiday

    We continue our holiday concert. Musical greetings from France for the comrade demotivator
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 09: 17
      Big mercy!
  29. +8
    7 November 2016 08: 59
    Another nonsense and hollow from Samsonov.
    1. +5
      7 November 2016 11: 41
      Quote: RUSS
      Another nonsense and hollows

      Well, nothing else is expected of you, this is all your activity here, along with Alexander.
      1. +2
        7 November 2016 12: 41
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        Well, it’s not expected from you otherwise, this is all your activity here, along with Alexander

        And what answer to the Minister of Education?The Minister of Education and Science of Russia Olga Vasilyeva called Joseph Stalin a tyrant. It is reported by Interfax.


        She noted that she treats him ambiguously, sees in him positive and negative sides.
        “How can I relate to Stalin, a man whose tyranny is obvious? A person whose conscience, and not only his conscience, is a victim of political repression. I usually call him a big politician with a big, big minus sign, ”said Vasilyeva.
        . The Minister of Education and Science of Russia noted that several years ago she defended her candidate and doctoral dissertations on the Russian Orthodox Church during the Great Patriotic War, as well as on relations between Stalin and the church.
        1. +6
          7 November 2016 12: 54
          Quote: RUSS
          “How can I relate to Stalin, a man whose tyranny is obvious? A person whose conscience, and not only his conscience, is a victim of political repression. I usually call him a big politician with a big, big minus sign ”

          And so I relate that speaks for the sake of the situation.
          And you can talk here about the victims of political repressions, Trotskyists in particular, for as long as you want, breaking a tear, but to me that they were given sentences, and some kmоу and their heads were demolished, only better.
          Less would hobble with the West and arrange conspiracies.
          Secondly, I have no regrets and frankly criminals who were recorded as "political" by the chokhi, and those who served the enemy as part of the SS, police and others on the side of Hitler do not command any respect. Soyuznichki and you are crying about them, it only says that if something happened, you, like them, will be on the other side of the front, how it ends in the conditions of Russia, it is clear, then again, you will moan that you have been offended.
        2. +3
          7 November 2016 12: 57
          The head of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, Olga Vasilyeva, clarified her attitude to Joseph Stalin. According to Vasilyeva, the Soviet leader was a tyrant who launched repression. At the same time, Stalin, according to the minister, possessed a pragmatic mind that allowed him to use the potential of the church in order to organize a post-war world order. In August, AN-Online wrote about the surfaced in the press immediately after Vasilyeva’s appointment to a new position, the official’s positive statements about the “leader of the peoples”. The Russian Federation of Jewish Communities promptly responded to media reports, whose representatives demanded that Vasiliev clarify her statements.


          http://argumenti.ru/society/2016/11/472782
          Why is FEOR so fussy? Is this your position, along with them? Then what are you?
          1. +2
            7 November 2016 14: 07
            They did not forgive him the Crimea, and the golden ruble laughing
        3. +2
          7 November 2016 14: 05
          RUSS This is purely her personal attitude to the historical person! Winners write history, a lot is erased about Stalin! My opinion is that we really need Stalin 2.0!
        4. +3
          7 November 2016 15: 35
          Read her biography and don't be surprised. Whom only muddy 90 years will not be thrown upstairs. In Soviet times, she nodded and clapped safely when necessary. I note that at first she was a music teacher, and then the history of the USSR (conscience did not torment). And since 1987 she suddenly caught herself and turned towards the Russian Orthodox Church. Another changeling. If the wind blows in the other direction, it will again turn in the wind like a weather vane.
  30. +6
    7 November 2016 09: 12
    "Musical greetings" to those who are "on the other side of the barricades"
  31. +11
    7 November 2016 09: 48
    Happy Great October Revolution!
    On this day, Kontra recalls repression .... That's right, remember more often. The day will come and for today's crimes before the people answer in full.
  32. +1
    7 November 2016 09: 55
    A holiday is like a holiday, I have nothing against it, in the evening I’ll even miss a glass on this occasion. Everything would be fine, only Trotsky’s birthday is embarrassing! This is just the fly in the ointment.
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 11: 35
      Quote: V.ic
      only Trotsky’s birthday is embarrassing!

      Victor, who doesn’t want to remember him, doesn’t remember what he was given to you, this Leva Bronstein? He got his, and that's all, they forgot.
    2. +3
      7 November 2016 11: 42
      Accidental coincidence and no more, why the hedge?
      The Kremlin in Troubles was taken not on November 4, but on November 7, the same on the birthday of the Judas?
  33. +6
    7 November 2016 11: 21
    Under socialism, no one hid what we are building, what we ultimately want to get. Under capitalism, to the point that after that, we are not told about this, but this does not mean that there are no such plans. A plane, like a country, cannot fly anywhere. My idea of ​​the goals of the Bolsheviks and the bourgeoisie (the picture did about the planned and market but also about the goals of both):
  34. +6
    7 November 2016 11: 33
    Quote: Aleksander
    The great Russian scientist D.I. predicted the same thing. Mendeleev, not mistaken in his predictions regarding the US demography.

    Mendeleev was a great scientist only in chemistry. And in demography, he was a charlatan. And his demographic forecast did not come true in any country in the world.
    1. +2
      7 November 2016 16: 56
      Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
      Mendeleev was a great scientist only in chemistry. And in demography, he was a charlatan. And his demographic forecast did not come true in any country in the world.


      This is the judgment of a charlatan. Mendeleev believed that in America, by about the middle of the 20th century, the population would reach almost 180 million people. This forecast came true with high accuracy, since 1959 million people lived in the USA in 179.
      If we use the method of Mendeleev’s calculations, then by 1959 in the Russian Empire (without Polish and Finnish lands) 292,5 million people should have lived. And the population of the USSR according to the census of 1959 of the year amounted to 208,8 million people. I.e the demographic failure amounted to 83,7 million people. Meanwhile, the USSR included regions that were not in the Russian Empire. It follows that the scale of the demographic catastrophe will exceed the already enormous number of 83,7 million people.
  35. +4
    7 November 2016 11: 43
    Quote: avt
    Quote: Aleksander
    First, read the book by the SOVIET demographer Vikor Perevedentsev "Population of the USSR (Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow). - Moscow: 1972.,
    where he indicates that the Russian people had already stopped reproducing themselves by the beginning of the 1970s.

    laughing laughing He himself looked at the digital cameras under the chart given by himself! ?? Well, before writing a comment about the 1970s, you had to look and fix something in the dates. laughing
    Quote: Aleksander
    and the CPSU is therefore responsible for everything.

    laughing good And for the chapel ruined in the fourth century? Or only for those that started to blame from the 30s. laughing Well, straight
    Dispersed, and poured: "The triangle will be drunk! Be it a parallelepiped, Be it a circle, a louse!"

    These are they, the fruits of anti-Sovietism. Neither education, nor speculators, only screams. Those because of whom all the charts crawled down! ... laughing Happy holiday, patriots of Great Russia!
  36. +5
    7 November 2016 12: 35
    Happy Holidays!
    Strange discussions about how great Russia was and how it lived well, what the rate of production and population growth ... The fact that half of the industry, and the most significant one belonged to foreigners, is nothing. The fact that half of the children died in large families of peasants (and died during whole famine with whole families) - well, they themselves are probably to blame. If only we would have thought where the people had such hatred for officers and various bourgeois ...
    and about the bloody regime of the Bolsheviks, it is worth remembering that the Red Terror appeared in response, and at first many were released on parole ...
  37. +4
    7 November 2016 12: 35
    An article full of nonsense in the spirit of mossy Soviet agitation.
    Especially considering the fact, and today it is indisputably and widely known that in October-November 1917. no particularly significant political events took place in Russia. And VOSR, this is simply an invention of the Bolsheviks.
    Particularly pleased with the gap from the author of the template:
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    Great October saved Russia from destruction

    Or this one:
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    with the October Revolution and the victory of the Bolsheviks, the revival of Russian civilization began

    The grave digger is declared a savior. No comments. There are no words.
  38. +4
    7 November 2016 12: 50
    Quote: rjxtufh
    An article full of nonsense in the spirit of mossy Soviet agitation.
    Especially considering the fact, and today it is indisputably and widely known that in October-November 1917. no particularly significant political events took place in Russia. And VOSR, this is simply an invention of the Bolsheviks.
    Particularly pleased with the gap from the author of the template:
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    Great October saved Russia from destruction

    Or this one:
    Quote: Samsonov Alexander
    with the October Revolution and the victory of the Bolsheviks, the revival of Russian civilization began

    The grave digger is declared a savior. No comments. There are no words.

    It is also widely known that it is confirmed by world-famous scientists that nothing happened at all from 198 to 1991. Only the United States defeated Germany and Japan, and the Russians dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki ...
  39. +4
    7 November 2016 13: 33
    Since such fun went, sho already Leo Davidovich Trotsky lit up, I will add my five cents ...
    The shortest Jewish joke.
    The Gaboche-Kgestyansky government of Gossia was created. Ugia, comrade!
  40. 0
    7 November 2016 13: 38
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    To put it mildly, it is embarrassing that Samsonov puts Poklonskaya on a par with the aggressively anti-Russian odious Yeltsin center. Poklonskaya is known not only for her words, but also for deeds. And things are such that when it was necessary to defend the Russian Crimea, Poklonskaya went there and stood up.

    ---------------------------
    No one makes any big claims to Natalia, Crimea is full of royal palaces, she grew up on the aesthetics of Livadia and, like any woman, identifies beauty with the royal regime in general. Also, however, there are also few complaints about Maria Zakharova, even though she has "Stalin worse than Hitler", they are all diplomats with antics and verbal balances in honor of the owners.
  41. +2
    7 November 2016 13: 47
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    Naturally, after all, “socialism” began to be built in the 30s, and in 1917 no one knew a word like that, but the revolution is still “socialist”!

    -----------------------------
    Mazal Tov, Rabbi Leiba. So you say there was nothing? More details about water parks in the Perm wilderness, please. How can you imagine this without electricity? In general, half of the empire suffered from all sorts of diseases - typhus, trachoma, consumption, is it only the zemstvo doctors that you suggest treating? Do you know Comrade Khavinson, mathematician? I wrote curious books I will tell you, "Differential and integral calculus". Do you want to drive him back to Zhmerinka and Berdichev? Along with the Mikhnevichs and the Olshanskys as Polish rebels, beyond the Pale of Settlement. And where do they enroll in the Black Hundred, Rabbi? Is it time to wait for the Evgei poggoms? hi
  42. +3
    7 November 2016 13: 53
    Quote: rjxtufh
    An article full of nonsense in the spirit of mossy Soviet agitation.

    ---------------------------------
    Read the "Russian-Latin Dictionary for a Gymnasium Course", a very modern book my friend, with yatami and fit. You will find there the word video on page 168. hi
  43. +4
    7 November 2016 13: 57
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    This is not your style; you still learn about Americans exclusively from Bolshevik manuals.
    But I will help you, tear the template. I will post a quote about the USSR.
    "As a result, the country underwent a period of rapid industrialization and collectivization which laid the foundation for its victory in World War II and post-war dominance of Eastern Europe.
    As a result, the country underwent a period of rapid industrialization and collectivization, which laid the foundations for its victory in World War II and post-war dominance in Eastern Europe. "
    About how!

    --------------------------------
    Sho vi, Rebbe Leiba? I'll tell you for the Americans, 80% of them know the story from comics and movies like "Inglourious Basterds". I bet sho is closer to the truth? "A short course in the history of the CPSU (be) or is it American cinematography?
  44. +4
    7 November 2016 14: 00
    Quote: rjxtufh
    The grave digger is declared a savior. No comments. There are no words.

    --------------------------------
    Do you propose to dig up the corpse of the monarchy and create historical Frankenstein? So it is being sculpted without you. And what was the tsarist government surviving? A whole bunch of debt and a bunch of vampire capitalists on the body of the empire. Then the center of the world was in Great Britain, France and Germany.
  45. +7
    7 November 2016 14: 05
    Serving the Soviet Union!
  46. +2
    7 November 2016 14: 21
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    In general, you compare with other countries.
    And yet, yes, do you really think that in the Republic of Ingushetia besides the "zemstvo doctors" there was no other medical staff? Well, if you think so, then it's like assessing modern medicine in the Russian Federation by the number of therapists, there will be similar conclusions!

    ----------------------------------
    So compare, rabbi. Only the Bolsheviks have to do with it? By the way, will you be from Berdichev? hi
    1. 0
      8 November 2016 18: 07
      He is from Zhmerynka.
  47. +1
    7 November 2016 14: 37
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    But what difference does it make to how well an American knows history, if he is not initially interested in it at all? If you go under the knife, do you need a specialist surgeon, or that he knows the story?

    -------------------------
    How is it? Everyone has their own picture of the world in their heads. And she doesn't have to be polycentric. Second, many colleges have a specialty in political science. I just don’t know what is the use of it for Americans, if it doesn’t give specific skills, and half of the graduates begin to perforate with the eyes of the libertarian Ron Paul and the "socialist" Bernie Sanders. By the way, many things are studied there according to the Soviet method. As I understand it, not without the help of the Jewish professors.
  48. +1
    7 November 2016 14: 45
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    Why do you rejoice so earnestly about Russia, without being useful to it, at least in terms of restoring agriculture? I recommend that you engage in planting corn, using the square-nesting method in Moldova and at the same time take care of apple and viticulture in the same place, and in Russia, somehow without you, little owls tearing, we’ll manage.

    Well, well, I’m concerned, just don’t waste so many beech nerves!
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 17: 28
      Quote: Aleksander
      Ok ok ok take care

      But this is not necessary. We’ll figure it out without Moldova.
    2. +2
      7 November 2016 18: 47
      Quote: Aleksander
      Well, well, I’m concerned, just don’t waste so many beech nerves!

      Take care.
      But I personally do not spend a gram of nerves, let alone letters, in writing an answer to you, your lie is sewn with white thread, it is visible and does not require special efforts.
  49. +3
    7 November 2016 14: 47
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    Recommended you to do the planting of corn, square-nesting method in Moldova and at the same time take care apple and viticulture in the same place, but in Russia, somehow without you, tearing little owls, we will manage.

    Alright, alright, get busy just don't get nervous! Yes
    1. +3
      7 November 2016 15: 44
      Alexander, you are again fornication with numbers (Leyba vys also concerns).
      Losses during the war of about 16 million people.

      Of these, 4,5 emigration
      Up to 5 million - pandemic (Spanish)
      The rest - the victims of the war (unborn, who died from a deterioration in the quality of life) - a busy natural decline.
      Well, and directly from the fighting.

      And leave alone old Mendeleev, well, he is a chemist, not a demographer (and you don’t have to sing about America, he was also mistaken there) ..
      Interesting. but the biggest increase began in 1937. -And why, by the way?)
      Since 1960, the USSR has been growing at least 25 million per decade.

      Now the countries of the former USSR should have had about 365 million, and in the presence of only 294 million - this is a disaster.

      What is RI without VOSR - this is Ukraine today.
  50. +6
    7 November 2016 16: 17
    No matter how the monarchists, liberals and the like gnash their teeth with anger, Day November 7, Day of the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution is a class proletarian holiday, a holiday for all working people, and the fact that someone does not like it, its significance, its greatness is not a bit reduced.

    The October Revolution set an example to the whole world on how to build a state where a working person will be at the forefront. Of course, the descendants of the bourgeoisie, the kulaks, everyone who had private property and exploited people do not like such a state. But this is their personal grief ...

    Unfortunately, after the Great Patriotic War, after the death of Comrade Stalin, there was a shift in the mass consciousness of Soviet people, and the hidden enemies managed to impose liberal petty-bourgeois values ​​on him, for the adoption of which the Soviet people cruelly paid the loss of the socialist state.

    But “broken armies study well”, now all working people know: what should be their life, and how can this be achieved? They know the main thing - that all their current troubles come from private property, and that it must be destroyed.

    Therefore, I congratulate everyone who cares about our holiday - the anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution!
  51. +4
    7 November 2016 16: 21
    So they came up with National Unity Day as opposed to November 7th. What kind of unity and with whom the hell? What can unite an ordinary person and a businessman, a snickering bureaucrat or a representative of the “creative intelligentsia”. Normal people can only be united by truth and justice. And the attitude towards them among the above-mentioned categories of the Russian population is very different. And the main mass of youth (under 30 years old) generally don’t care; they managed to develop future effective managers. The signs of a revolutionary situation are evident. This so-called bloodless elite will never part with what they have acquired through backbreaking labor. Question: what to do?
    1. 0
      7 November 2016 23: 34
      Quote: den-protector
      So they came up with National Unity Day as opposed to November 7th. What kind of unity and with whom the hell?

      Was it cooler to celebrate “VOSR Day”, which never happened?
      After all, there was no VOSR, it was just an invention of the Bolsheviks:
      1. The Bolsheviks “began to build” socialism in the USSR only in 1927. And before that, they didn’t “build” anything. Including NEP (state capitalism).
      2. In October-November 1917 no particularly significant events occurred in Russia. The Bolshevik reactionary armed coup (putsch) occurred in early January 1918.
      What kind of “holiday” have you celebrated on November 7th for many years?
      1. +2
        8 November 2016 20: 26
        Everything great is seen from a distance. The French bourgeois revolution of 1789 was also not immediately called the “Great”.
        And socialism in Soviet Russia began to be built immediately after the revolution, there is simply a transition period between capitalism and communism, which begins with the revolution establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat, and ends with the construction of the first phase of communism, which is called socialism.
        1. 0
          8 November 2016 21: 50
          Quote: Alexander Green
          The French bourgeois revolution of 1789 was also not immediately called the “Great”.

          Unlike VOSR, at least it was there.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          And socialism in Soviet Russia began to be built immediately after the revolution

          Learn a little history. From the beginning they built "war communism". Then, after the formation of the USSR, NEP (state capitalism). And only then, after the reactionary coup of 1927, they began to build “socialism” in December. Which, as it were, was built in 1936. Since 1937 it was "deepened". And right up to 1956.
          The idiocy of the situation is that the VOSR allegedly occurred in 1917. But the ideologists of “communism” (Marx, Lenin and Engels) did not even know such a word. And nothing like this was built (Lenin). And in general, “socialism” began to be built in the USSR only in December 1927. After Lenin's death.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          there is simply a transition period between capitalism and communism

          These are the tales you will tell to the boys in elementary school, not to me.
          There are no communisms and there cannot be.
          And there was no capitalism in the USSR. It first had to be built, which is what Lenin (NEP) did.
          And the world political economy does not know such an OEF as “socialism”. Today, the highest stage of development of society is “capitalism”. And before that, feudalism. And before it, the slave system. And before it, primitive communal.
          There are no socialisms.
          And what in the history of the USSR was called “socialism” (from 1936 to 1956) was in fact a pseudo-religious (pseudo-religion Marskism-Leninism) society based first on feudal, and from 1940, on slave-owning TVETs.
          There was also “developed socialism,” but that’s a different story.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          which begins with a revolution establishing the dictatorship of the proletariat and ends with the construction of the first phase of communism, which is called socialism.

          Bullshit on a warm May night.
  52. +6
    7 November 2016 16: 29
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    had previously overthrown his regent in the form of the Provisional Government.

    OU. A new word in Russian history! And how did the Provisional Government turn out to be the Tsar’s regent, if the Tsar was capable of action and Tsarism was officially abolished? laughing
  53. +4
    7 November 2016 16: 41
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    The army fought with skill.

    With such skill that, with almost 2-fold numerical superiority, and even before the shell famine, it was smashed to smithereens in East Prussia in the very first month of the war. laughing

    And then, continuing to maintain a numerical superiority of at least 20-30% even in the most unsuccessful months of the entire WWI, the Great Retreat continued, also from great skill, no less. lol

    The Russian fleet in WWI also did not shine, to put it mildly - the bakers, to prove the opposite, record in the victories of the Russian fleet the results of English (!) submariners on English (!) submarines in the Baltic, which, with a very small number (2-4 submarines during the entire war ) in large warships they achieved the same effectiveness as the entire Baltic Fleet, and in transports - several times more.
    Moreover, almost all other “victories” of the Russian fleet were achieved exclusively by mine laying laughing
  54. +1
    7 November 2016 16: 46
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    The shell famine affected all participating countries.

    They just dealt with it differently.
    Developed countries quickly established the functioning of their own industry and after that provided not only themselves, but also backward allies, for example, Russia, which planned to reduce (!) dependence on foreign supplies of ammunition to 1917% in 36 laughing
  55. +4
    7 November 2016 16: 51
    Quote: Aleksander
    if growth remains at the same level

    If such primitive “forecasts” based on stupid linear extrapolation had actually been carried out, by the middle of the 20th century London would have been filled to the rooftops with horse manure, as equally great scientists believed in the 17th century. laughing

    In reality, urbanization and industrial development are sharply reducing population growth rates. If we take population growth as an ideal, then the most advanced power in the world is Nigeria, or some other Papuans of the coconut coast.
    1. +6
      7 November 2016 17: 01
      You are trying in vain, Alexander is not getting through how much he was told on this topic - everything is the same - there should be 560 million people in 2000. He does not accept arguments and common sense.
  56. +3
    7 November 2016 16: 58
    Quote: Aleksander
    In 1913, population growth in Russia was the highest in Europe, France was practically at zero:

    1. Your first fraud: you are not comparing growth rates, but absolute values. Moreover, the population of Russia was many times greater than that of developed European powers.
    2. You do not take into account the degree of urbanization, which in developed countries was much higher than in Russia.

    3. You are trying to limit your consideration only to developed countries, which Tsarist Russia did not reach with its snout. But in developed countries, by definition, both growth rates and population growth are lower - they simply have nowhere to grow.

    4. If you compare Tsarist Russia with other developing countries, it’s right there, as if by magic. much higher growth rates of industry, economy, and population are found.

    5. And in terms of population growth rates, African countries like Nigeria hold the record - there are many other things there as in Tsarist Russia: low literacy, undeveloped industry, social inequality, class society... laughing
  57. +5
    7 November 2016 17: 14
    Quote: Aleksander
    There was NO other ruling party. and the CPSU is therefore responsible for everything.

    Now explain why you, a blatant hypocrite, are taking a completely different approach to Nikolashka - in your opinion, even though he was an autocrat, he is not at all obliged to answer for everything that happened under him laughing
  58. +3
    7 November 2016 17: 17
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    I don’t know a single person who would celebrate today.

    Well, you don't know that laughing let's say lol
    But at our work, even though it was not a day off, the men, the most non-partisan and simple ones, organized a feast and remembered Soviet times with very kind words.
  59. +3
    7 November 2016 17: 27
    Quote: Aleksander
    On the territory of Estonia (nonsense, there was no Estonia

    For special crystal bakers - well, add the word "current Estonia", what will change from this? laughing
  60. +4
    7 November 2016 17: 32
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    Ukrainian SSR and BSSR, absolutely independent states

    yeah, ABSOLUTELY laughing

    It’s you, ABSOLUTELY stupid and ABSOLUTELY ignorant trolls, who are ABSOLUTELY out of your mind. lol laughing
  61. +4
    7 November 2016 17: 39
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    The USSR is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. That is, exactly what the Republic

    And the USA is the United States, i.e. also states. The same "independent" laughing laughing laughing
    Laughing with you ignoramuses - that's the only reason why you should be on the forum lol
  62. +6
    7 November 2016 18: 07
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    If only because in WWII the war took place near the border, and in 1941 “these same people” (almost 100% of the German command in WWII from the underground and above were WWII participants) reached Moscow in six months (as planned, by the way).
    And this despite the fact that in WWII we were no longer opposed by either the Auto-Hungarian Empire or the Ottoman Empire, there was only one Germany. Yeah

    ----------------------------------
    Yeah, one Germany, only the French, Finns, Danes, Spaniards with the Blue Division, 4000 thousand Czech tanks and 2000 assault guns, French planes and all this on American gasoline and Adam Opel trucks came from somewhere. As for the border, the war ceased to be static, Guderian stupidly bypassed the fortified areas, cutting them off from supplies, and they themselves died or surrendered from lack of food, lack of fuel and ammunition. The nature of the war changed, there was no Verdun and Somme, by the way, the French generally surrendered a month later and drank sparkling wine with Wehrmacht officers. I won’t argue, there was the Nuremberg Tribunal, almost everything was considered there. Revising history and signing up for the Nazis, Vlasovites, Black Hundreds, all kinds of collaborators is beneath my dignity. History was written by Stalin in Yalta and Potsdam, the rest is fusel alcoholic nonsense of homosexual kleptomaniacs shaking over their lane.
    1. +5
      7 November 2016 18: 51
      Quote: Altona
      Revising history and signing up for the Nazis, Vlasovites, Black Hundreds, all kinds of collaborators is beneath my dignity. History was written by Stalin in Yalta and Potsdam, the rest is fusel alcoholic nonsense of homosexual kleptomaniacs shaking over their lane.

      Well said!!!
    2. +3
      8 November 2016 18: 20
      You left out one detail. Well, what to take from Leiba - he’s illiterate, but you forgot that Austria was annexed to Germany, the so-called “Anschluss”. Hungary was an ally of Germany and therefore the same Austria-Hungary fought against the USSR, as well as Romania, Italy and other Spain.
      There is a good book by Western authors called “Foreign Formations in the SS.”
      There was no one there, including Indians and British, and not only Croats, Albanians, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, and the same France - the SS division "Charlemagne".
      So, compared to 14, in 41, ALL of Europe was fighting against the USSR.
  63. +5
    7 November 2016 19: 11
    I want to go home - to the USSR
    1. +4
      7 November 2016 19: 17
      Support us.
      From the comments you can see who is for and who is against.
    2. +2
      8 November 2016 10: 59
      Quote: Chaos
      I want to go home - to the USSR


      Apparently you haven’t had enough of the coupon system?
      Should I send you coupons for butter, sugar, meat, and sausage? I have a lot left over from those times, because I had coupons, but there was nothing to buy with them.
      1. +3
        8 November 2016 20: 03
        In Soviet times, did you ever go to "potato"? If you had traveled, you might have noticed that during the lunch break, everyone who was on potatoes took out sandwiches with sausage. I wonder where they got them?
        1. 0
          8 November 2016 21: 58
          Quote: Alexander Green
          everyone who was on potatoes took out sandwiches with sausage. I wonder where they got them?

          And I'm interested. Because I and those who worked with me did not take anything out of nowhere. And they ate what they processed. Sometimes persistently overcoming the gag reflex.
          1. +3
            9 November 2016 20: 52
            Poor thing, did you eat raw potatoes?
        2. +2
          9 November 2016 12: 11
          I went.
          I didn’t say that there was no sausage at all, there was not enough of it for everyone - something that “those calling back to the USSR” periodically forget about.
          Doctoral papers were delivered periodically for 1-2 months. We had sausages/sausages 1-2 times a year. I tried the smoked one for the first time in Simferopol after standing in line for 2 hours, the second time, during the elections in the 80s, I had a sandwich at the buffet :) it was sparse. Also, standing in line for several hours and whether you will get it or not is a question, but the sellers took home full bags - the beauty of the distribution system.
          That's why we ate potatoes... potatoes - baked over a fire.

          I noticed that the better a person lived during the Soviet era - especially Moscow, but could not fit into current conditions - the louder they are “nostalgic for the USSR”.

          I had the opportunity to visit not only Moscow and other large cities and not very large ones.
          I saw the province and remote villages (in the Urals, not far from the president’s bunker on the Yuryuzan River, there are villages where there has never been electricity or roads and still don’t have them!).
          I saw village shops where there were 4 products on the shelves - salt, matches, bread and some canned crap, and it’s good if the bulls are in tomato! Or pasta, or cereal - or it could have been canned horseradish...
          1. 0
            9 November 2016 13: 45
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            I noticed that the better a person lived during the Soviet era - especially Moscow, but could not fit into current conditions - the louder they are “nostalgic for the USSR”.

            Gold words. Although, I would cross out “especially Moscow ones”. It's not about where you live.
            1. +3
              9 November 2016 21: 04
              And these photos of empty shelves in the last days of urban construction are already the result of counter-revolutionary sabotage by the enemies of the Soviet regime.
              1. 0
                9 November 2016 23: 17
                Quote: Alexander Green
                empty shelves of the last days of urban construction, this is already the result of counter-revolutionary sabotage by the enemies of the Soviet regime.

                Gorbatopestroika, as you put it, is a consequence of empty store shelves, and not their cause. You put the cart before the horse.
              2. 0
                9 November 2016 23: 18
                Quote: Alexander Green
                empty shelves of the last days of urban construction, this is already the result of counter-revolutionary sabotage by the enemies of the Soviet regime.

                Gorbatopestroika, as you put it, is a consequence of empty store shelves, and not their cause. You put the cart before the horse.
                1. +2
                  9 November 2016 23: 37
                  Quote: rjxtufh
                  Gorbatopestroika, as you put it, is a consequence of empty store shelves, and not their cause. You put the cart before the horse.

                  I mean, do you always harness this way?
                  Or should I remind you of Gavrilo Popov with his speech in 1989, how things need to be organized so that state trade would collapse? Everything since 1987, since the adoption of the Law on Cooperators, they have produced more ghouls, who immediately sucked goods out of the country and supplies from enterprises.
                  Maybe we’ll remember the notorious shortage of tobacco, when one hundred factories of the tobacco Union suddenly stood up at once, supposedly not for reconstruction, the warehouses were bursting with products, but for trade, issuance was BAN, so who provided the empty shelves there?
                  Drive your cart backwards and don’t make the audience laugh with your pearls...
                  1. 0
                    10 November 2016 00: 03
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Maybe we’ll remember the notorious shortage of tobacco, when one hundred factories of the tobacco Union suddenly stood up at once, supposedly not for reconstruction, the warehouses were bursting with products, but for trade, issuance was BAN, so who provided the empty shelves there?

                    You need treatment. But instead you go to the Internet and tell stories there.
          2. +2
            9 November 2016 21: 02
            And in the village there was no need for any other food product; in all households they made homemade sausage, there was milk, they also baked their own bread. All this was incomparably tastier than store bought. But there was a shortage in the city. Firstly, because then everyone could afford to buy sausage. Secondly, due to the negligence of local leaders.
            So what if there is more sausage now?
            On the contrary, it is many times less, but its price is now exorbitant. Many people walk around the display window and just lick their lips - they can’t afford it
            1. 0
              9 November 2016 23: 52
              Quote: Alexander Green
              And in the village there was no need for any other food product

              Have you been to a Soviet village?
              Quote: Alexander Green
              In all the households they made homemade sausage, there was milk, they also baked their own bread.

              You are a great dreamer. Do you even imagine how much raw material is needed to produce sausage? Where could he get it from the collective farmers who actually worked on collective farms?
              Well, the fact that sometimes, after the slaughter of a wild boar, they still made sausage, did not make any difference to the weather.
              Quote: Alexander Green
              Secondly, due to the negligence of local leaders.

              What was the “negligence of local leaders”? Is it that there were not enough raw materials to produce the same sausage for the townspeople, and it was made from different crap? But there wasn't enough crap either. That’s why there wasn’t even crappy Soviet sausage in stores.
              But what does “negligence of local leaders” have to do with it? Where could they get something that was extremely scarce in the USSR and there was a behind-the-scenes struggle for it? There was still enough for Moscow and a number of closed cities. For the rest of the USSR, no. Although in the “national republics” the situation was, of course, easier than in the RSFSR.
              Quote: Alexander Green
              On the contrary, it is many times less, but its price is now exorbitant.

              But at least she exists. And, if you don’t take cheap bullshit, then even meat.
              And cheap stuff, like Soviet sausages, they are everywhere. And inexpensive.
              In general, nothing has become as cheap in relative terms as food. In the USSR, food prices were truly sky-high. Yes, and for manufactured goods, too. Cars have generally collapsed in price. Regarding salaries, of course.
  64. +6
    7 November 2016 20: 09
    Happy Great Russian Revolution Day everyone!
    Glory to Russia and the Russian people!
    1. 0
      8 November 2016 21: 59
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      Happy Great Russian Revolution Day

      You should at least keep quiet.
  65. +3
    7 November 2016 21: 18
    Quote: Aleksander
    in 1917 there was no COUNTRY of India, there was colonial British India

    You *I won’t evaluate your intellectual and educational level out loud, much less your integrity - but you understand, right?* We started by quoting Mendeleev's predictions.

    In response, they gave you real figures for the “fulfillment” of his forecasts with errors many times over - contrary to your lies. You “didn’t notice” it laughing laughing laughing

    But they noticed the opportunity to find fault with the non-existence of the sovereign state of India during Mendeleev’s time - although the so-called territory certainly existed, Mendeleev wrote about it, and these figures referred to it. What is unclear to you?
  66. +5
    7 November 2016 21: 50
    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    The last Emperor of the Russian Empire was Mikhail Alexandrovich

    Yeah? And how many days did he wear the crown when he was officially anointed as king? Would you remind me? laughing

    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    The country had a de facto parliamentary monarchy.

    Every post you have is a historical discovery. lol
    That's just what you can do *amazing sayings* confirm, except for your personal word of honor? laughing

    Quote: Leiba Davidovi4
    Learn history better!

    If only your words would be in your ears laughing
  67. +4
    7 November 2016 21: 52
    Quote: chenia
    He does not perceive arguments and common sense

    So it’s not for him that I’m trying lol More like a warm up.
    There is such a word - makiwara... wink
  68. +1
    8 November 2016 00: 15
    The CPSU did not fulfill the promises of the slogans of 1917 - factories for workers, land for peasants.
    The replacement of these slogans with the so-called public property led to a departure from the teachings of the founders of Marxism - a materialist understanding of the course of development of history, thus sliding into idealism. And there are enough people who love not to work, but to steer and share everywhere. This is how we get classic utopian socialism. His fate is predictable.
    V.I. Lenin brought everything on a silver platter - he theoretically proved and practically realized “the possibility of building socialism in one country” and bequeathed - study, study and study, life does not stop, stand on materialistic positions, test your ideas in practice, and Don't do wishful thinking. Being determines consciousness.
    But how can this be implemented in practice? This task must be solved every day. And in order not to go astray, there are Hegel’s laws of development of society, if they are put on a materialistic basis.
    What does materialistic basis mean? This means that a person is guided primarily by his own interests.
    Nobody knew how to build everything.
    There was an NEP, but 90% of the population was illiterate. The literate - having earned money - spent it not on development, but on their own pleasure (as they still do now, by the way). Naturally there were many dissatisfied. Collectivization appeared.
    People were looking for how to preserve the leading role of the working class under conditions of collective ownership? Therefore, Stalin directed the efforts of the party to control the activities of the leaders by grassroots party organizations. (I happened to read the minutes of the workshop’s party meetings for 1949). This was a contradiction - during the day the boss checks, in the “evening” the boss is dragged out onto the carpet. This is called the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    It was not Stalin who was cruel. It was the working class that raised the issue, demanded that the authorities figure it out and controlled it, and Stalin demanded that the party stand up for the interests of the workers. Bureaucrats, as always, took matters to the point of absurdity.
    Maybe at the stage when it was necessary to industrialize, train people, win the war and restore the economy, such an approach was justified, I cannot judge.
    N. Khrushchev condemned, but did not offer anything new. But the law of unity and struggle of opposites has not been canceled. The bureaucrats have the means of production and no leverage. They showed it in the films, the comedians hinted, but the cart remained in place. The slogan accounting and control has become a formality. Bureaucrats and nonsense did their job quietly.
    Then quantity grew into quality and they were reborn into their opposites.
    Grandfather Lenin said – study, study and study.
    They didn't listen. They began to engage in superficiality.
    It is not consciousness that creates being, but being that determines consciousness. This is materialism. That is why K. Marx puts the means of production at the forefront of everything.
    Probably, at this stage it was necessary to think not about the construction of communism, but about the real transfer of the means of production to collectives.
    Salaries should not be set from above. He who pays calls the tune. The collectives themselves must earn money and pay the bureaucrats. How to do this is the task that needs to be solved constantly.
    For some reason, no one challenges Ohm’s law, but K. Marx’s law of social development is interpreted as they wish. Calculation with an error leads to an incorrect result
    1. +2
      8 November 2016 10: 56
      Quote: Alexander Alexandrov_2
      Grandfather Lenin said - study, study and study


      Is he your grandfather?

      I personally am in favor of keeping the grandfather’s statues in every city for as long as possible, so that children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren know who plunged the empire into bloody civil strife, destroyed the country, and destroyed hundreds of thousands of the country’s citizens.
      So that they understand that neither the bloody grandfather, nor the father of nations, nor the dear Secretary General, nor the leader of the nation - no one will give you freedom or make you free. We must protect our freedoms from all sorts of cliques who concoct ideologies on the blood of the people!
    2. +3
      8 November 2016 18: 47
      Indeed, they were building a new society, no one had had such experience before, more and more by trial and error.
      No wonder Stalin said the famous phrase in the 50s - “without theory we are dead.”
      Those. it was necessary to develop a theory for building such a society, and not go into it blindly. Stalin understood that theory cannot be frozen, life develops, changes, which means that theory must develop and not remain a dead dogma.
      Stalin was the last to write theoretical works on the theory of socialism. Unfortunately, Stalin did not have time to complete theoretical research, and Khrushchev, who came after him, due to his illiteracy, was simply incapable of theoretical research.
      All subsequent general secretaries, too.
      Perhaps this was also one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR - the absence of a theory of socialism developing in modern conditions, outlining the future path of development.
    3. +2
      8 November 2016 20: 16
      Quote: Alexander Alexandrov_2
      The CPSU did not fulfill the promises of the slogans of 1917 - factories for workers, land for peasants.
      The replacement of these slogans with the so-called public property led to a departure from the teachings of the founders of Marxism - a materialist understanding of the course of development of history, thus sliding into idealism


      Dear, it would also do you good to study and read the works of V.I. Lenin about the anarcho-syndicalist deviation, where he criticizes those who in the 20s proposed transferring plants and factories to labor collectives. Lenin understood that such a transfer would lead to the resuscitation of private property. Gorbachev's perestroika and Chubais's voucherization clearly demonstrated this to us.
      1. +2
        9 November 2016 12: 31
        Quote: Alexander Green
        Dear, it would also do you good to study and read the works of V.I. Lenin about the anarcho-syndicalist deviation, where he criticizes those who in the 20s proposed transferring plants and factories to labor collectives. Lenin understood that such a transfer would lead to the resuscitation of private property. Gorbachev's perestroika and Chubais's voucherization clearly demonstrated this to us.


        Read Lenin's works?
        - His ideology led to the collapse of the empire, poverty of the population and economic backwardness.

        It’s been 20 years since we parted ways with this system - there is an abundance of food in the country, we don’t buy wheat - we export it, and all this without any theory - people were simply given the opportunity to work and earn money and they did everything themselves - without the utopian theories of long-forgotten “leaders”!

        And this is no exception. The former "socialist camp", China, Vietnam - all are proving their worth.

        But there are “stubborn” ones - always bothering the mummies of the leaders and bubbling with saliva, recommending that we read the “misunderstood geniuses”.

        Shouldn't you go through the forest together?

        Now, well, a hundred or two in a city of a million are crawling out to a rally with placards - in 20 years, and this will no longer remind you of the pathetic theorists of Leninism/Stalinism - if you don’t see the realities (as is typical for communists of various stripes) - this is just “political myopia” .
        The next 10-20 years and no one will remember.
        Therefore, I am in favor of ensuring that the idols of the leaders remain as an edification to their descendants, for the mistakes of their ancestors, so that they never follow the leaders of nations, leaders of all deviations and stripes, and other talkers like a crowd of sheep!
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          9 November 2016 21: 15
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Read Lenin's works?
          - His ideology led to the collapse of the empire, poverty of the population and economic backwardness.

          I take my words back. It is useless for you to read Lenin. You have a clinic. You don't see the obvious. Even an ardent supporter of socialism, like Churchill, appreciated that backward, bast Russia had turned into a modern power with nuclear reactors and spaceships.
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            9 November 2016 23: 56
            Quote: Alexander Green
            just as Churchill appreciated that backward, bast-footed Russia had turned into a modern power with nuclear reactors and spaceships.

            Actually, he didn't say anything like that.
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Lenin understood that such a transfer would lead to the resuscitation of private property.

            Yeah. And apparently that’s why he began to build state capitalism (NEP) instead of communism.
            By the way, Lenin did not want to transfer the factories to labor collectives because in this case the factories would not have an owner. And they would simply be pulled apart piece by piece. Those. he advocated precisely for private property, under the control of the state (state capitalism). This is something like what is happening in China now.
  69. +3
    8 November 2016 06: 40
    Quote: chenia
    Interesting. but the biggest increase began in 1937. -And why, by the way?)

    But because in 1937-38 Stalin knocked out the Trotskyist-Leninist wedge of bloody terror driven into Russia by Zion with his national liberation wedge and the people sighed, if not freely, then deeply. Hence the increase in the birth rate and, most importantly, the growth of national self-awareness and patriotism, which certainly played a positive role in the future, both in the victory in the Great Patriotic War and in the achievements of socialist construction.
    If the Trotskys had remained in power in Russia, only bloody scraps would have flown from the country and the people...
    "We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white Negroes,
    to whom we will give such tyranny that we have never dreamed of
    terrible despots of the East. If we win the revolution, we will crush
    Russia, then on its funeral ruins we will strengthen the power of Zionism and become
    such a force before which the whole world will kneel."
    Trotsky L.D"

    “It is necessary to understand the state of affairs in the ranks of our party. Unfortunately, it turned out that
    that there are still many such slobbering intellectuals who, apparently, have no
    no idea what revolution is. Out of naivety, ignorance or weakness
    character they object to the terror declared by the party. Revolution, comrades,
    a social revolution of such a magnitude as ours cannot be carried out with white gloves!
    First of all, this is proven to us by the example of the Great French Revolution, which we neither
    We must not forget for a moment.
    It should be clear to each of you that the old ruling classes have their art, their
    knowledge and their ability to manage were inherited from their grandfathers and great-grandfathers. A
    this often replaced their own intelligence and abilities.
    What can we do to counter this? How can you compensate for your inexperience?
    Remember, comrades, only with terror! Consistent and merciless terror!
    History will never forgive us for our compliance and softness. If we have destroyed so far
    hundreds and thousands, now the time has come to create an organization, an apparatus that, if necessary, can
    destroy tens of thousands. We don’t have time, we don’t have the opportunity to look for real, active
    our enemies. We are forced to take the path of destruction, the destruction of the physical of all classes, all groups
    population, from which possible enemies of our government may emerge.

    To warn, to undermine the possibility of counteraction - this is the task of terror.
    “There is only one objection that deserves attention and requires explanation,” he continues calmly,
    speaker in an academic tone. - This is that, by destroying en masse, and, above all, the intelligentsia, we
    We destroy the specialists and scientists we need; engineers, doctors. Fortunately, comrades, abroad
    there are plenty of such specialists. They are easy to find. If we pay them well, they will willingly come to work for
    us. It will, of course, be much easier for us to control them than ours. Here they will not be associated with
    with his class and with his destiny. Being isolated politically, they will inevitably be neutral.
    Patriotism, love for the homeland, for your people, for those around you, distant and close, for those living in this particular
    moment, to those who thirst for small, imperceptible happiness, self-sacrifice, heroism - what value
    are all these dummy words in front of a similar program that is already being implemented and
    is being implemented uncompromisingly!"
    From the memoirs of Ratiev A.L.
    Descendant of the Russian branch of the ancient Georgian family of Ratishvili. From 1921 until his death he lived in Bulgaria. In December 1918, finding himself in Kursk, as a twenty-year-old youth, he attended a meeting of party activists on the occasion of the arrival of the chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council in the city, one of the leaders of the October Revolution, L. D. Trotsky..."

    Lenin and Trotsky were obsessed with the ideas of world revolution and were not only ready to put Russia on its sacrificial altar, but they did everything for this. Fortunately, national liberation forces led by Stalin were found, putting an end to this bloody hecatomb, unprecedented in the history of mankind, organized by the Zionists in Russia.
    Anyone who does not understand and does not see the fundamental difference between the Bolshevik-Leninists and the communist-Stalinists and mixes everything into one heap will not see the connection between the modern terror that has struck the world and the terror perpetrated by Trotsky and Lenin in Russia. Blind leaders of the blind, coming and leading into the “new” world order..., woe to you.
    We look at the root if we want to survive...
  70. +5
    8 November 2016 06: 56
    Quote: RUSS
    Russian Minister of Education and Science Olga Vasilyeva called Joseph Stalin a tyrant.

    Under our Russophobic and anti-communist government, what other ministers can there be? Why answer anything to a doll that performs its unsightly tasks without regard to conscience and truth?

    Let her better answer why under the “tyrant” Stalin the number of schools and teachers, universities and students increased in our country, but now this number is rapidly declining. Why are those educational institutions that still exist hastily transferred to a paid mode of operation?
  71. +4
    8 November 2016 07: 08
    Quote: ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
    It seems that Admiral Kolchak knew better than you what the name of his army was.

    He knew a lot, of course. But he didn’t talk about everything out loud and wrote in plain text.
    Pseudo-Admiral Kolchak knew how long he served not Russia, but Great Britain.

    Kolchak at the same time knew that he did not have time to rise to the rank of an actual admiral in the service of Russia, and he hung the admiral's shoulder straps on himself at his own request - well, with the participation, for the sake of appearance, of dummy ones from among his friends.

    He also knew how many lies he wrote in his reports and self-praising tales.
    I knew why the famous polar explorer adm. Makarov very negatively assessed Kolchak’s supposedly great activity as a polar explorer, as well as Kolchak’s appropriation of scientific materials from the entire expedition.

    He knew why he suddenly so suddenly discovered that he had polar radiculitis and was written off ashore when 1TOE was preparing for a dangerous breakthrough to Vladivostok - and why he so abruptly forgot about this radiculitis again, continuing his naval service in the Baltic.

    It wouldn't hurt you to know all this either. wink
  72. +2
    8 November 2016 07: 24
    Quote: cedar
    One who does not understand and does not see the fundamental difference

    It’s like you don’t understand and don’t see the fundamental difference between Lenin and Trotsky, right? lol
  73. +1
    8 November 2016 09: 28
    Quote: murriou
    Quote: cedar
    One who does not understand and does not see the fundamental difference

    It’s like you don’t understand and don’t see the fundamental difference between Lenin and Trotsky, right? lol


    Two of a Kind. Both are terrorists, both have the word terror never rolling off their tongues, both trampled “Ivans” and would have trampled them if not for Stalin. One got cerebral palsy. Another brain is the ice ax of Mercader, Hero of the Soviet Union.
    This is the role of the individual in history, you understand...
  74. +3
    8 November 2016 17: 50
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Quote: Chaos
    I want to go home - to the USSR


    Apparently you haven’t had enough of the coupon system?
    Should I send you coupons for butter, sugar, meat, and sausage? I have a lot left over from those times, because I had coupons, but there was nothing to buy with them.

    How old are you son? There were no coupons in the USSR, so send Gorbachev’s coupons to him.
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      9 November 2016 10: 14
      Quote: Chaos
      How old are you son? There were no coupons in the USSR, so send Gorbachev’s coupons to him.


      Enough to get you through.
      And apparently your memory is failing you? Gorbachev still ruled the USSR and these are the coupons of the USSR.
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  76. +3
    9 November 2016 16: 56
    The Greatest Day of Russia, when Power passed to the People and all the bourgeoisie became beggars, our generation needs to remember the 17th year, stop disgracing your grandfathers, because they shed their blood for our Freedom, and we gave it to ladies like Chubais!!!
  77. 0
    3 December 2016 16: 59
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Quote: Chaos
    How old are you son? There were no coupons in the USSR, so send Gorbachev’s coupons to him.


    Enough to get you through.
    And apparently your memory is failing you? Gorbachev still ruled the USSR and these are the coupons of the USSR.

    I also want to go to the USSR. Not the one from the late 80s, but in the seventies...
  78. +1
    18 January 2017 11: 06
    Quote: Aleksander
    This is the judgment of a charlatan. Mendeleev believed that in America by about the middle of the 180th century the population would reach almost XNUMX million people.

    In 1950 (i.e., in the middle of the twentieth century), the population of the United States was 151 people. So the “great demographer” Mendeleev was mistaken in his calculations by “only” 325 million people. :-)

    And if anyone here is a charlatan, it’s you.
  79. 0
    4 May 2017 11: 35
    Article plus +!