Written off BMP Marder will turn into tanks

Until 2020, the Bundeswehr will receive 350 new Puma infantry fighting vehicles, which will replace the outdated Marder armored vehicles. In order not to dispose of decommissioned infantry fighting vehicles, Rheinmetall will create medium-sized vehicles based on them. Tanks, Said MIC with reference to military-today.com.

The presentation of such a tank took place at the Indo Defense 2016 exhibition in Indonesia.

“Marder belongs to the class of medium tanks (the weight of the machine is 43 t) and is equipped with a stabilized 105-mm rifled gun made by the Italian company OTO Melara. The gun has an effective range of 3000 m and is compatible with NATO 105-mm ammunition. The crew consists of four people: the commander, the gunner, the driver and the loader (the tank is not equipped with an automatic loader), ”the publication says.

When transforming an infantry fighting vehicle into a tank, the developers equipped it with additional armor that “withstands the hit of armor-piercing bullets of caliber 14,5 mm into the sides, as well as the explosion of an eight-kilogram bomb, under the bottom”.

It is reported that the tank is installed diesel MTU MB 883 power 680 l. with. and automatic transmission. The maximum speed of the vehicle is 65 km / h, the distance traveled without refueling is 500 km. Case length - 6,9 m, width - 3,6 m, height - 3 m.

Comments

[rotmistr60]

Probably difficult in Germany with a budget for military spending.

equipped it with additional armor, which “withstands hit of armor-piercing bullets 14,5 mm caliber on board

So what kind of tank is it if the side armor holds only a heavy machine gun?

[Forest]

So this means that our infantry fighting vehicles, up to promising ones, will not be able to hit on board without ATGMs. So the western MBT armor is not much thicker than the 4 lvl STANAG.

[Muvka]

I don’t understand, the 30mm shell will not penetrate armor designed to protect against 14,5 mm? Have you smoked? And the 100mm gun was already dismantled with the BMP?

[Forest]

Quote: Muvka

I don’t understand, the 30mm shell will not penetrate armor designed to protect against 14,5 mm? Have you smoked? And the 100mm gun was already dismantled with the BMP?

Because our 30-mm shells are much worse in design even than the 12,7-mm BS-41, and therefore penetration is poor - prehistoric steel bars. 100-mmka is only on the BMP-3, and this is a rare car and it does not have development.

[Muvka]

Well, firstly, about the 30mm shell, you probably do not know at all, but oh well. You said that:

Our infantry fighting vehicles, up to promising ones, will not be able to hit on board without ATGMs.

It turns out that we are armed with no BMP3? Or is he more promising than promising?
Just to let me know, are you aware that the gun on the BMP-2 may not have changed, but are the shells different now, newer? Or didn’t you know that?

[Forest]

Quote: Muvka

It turns out that we are armed with no BMP3? Or is he more promising than promising?
Just to let me know, are you aware that the gun on the BMP-2 may not have changed, but are the shells different now, newer? Or didn’t you know that?

We have too few BMN-3 - only about 500, some of which are clearly in storage.
Among armor-piercing shells for 2A42 and 2A72 there are only BISON-6 and BISON-8. EVERYTHING! There are no new armor-piercing ones. ZUBR10 is distinguished only by a leading belt to reduce barrel wear. There was no uranium BOPS, and no.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Forest

Because our 30 mm shells are much worse in design than even the 12,7 mm BS-41,

Not .... you obviously tasted something ... otherwise, they would not have shown such an epic muskrat.

[Forest]

Yes corny - the main armor-piercing ZUBR-6 - steel armor-piercing blank, but BS-41 - with a tungsten core.

[Evgen2x]

100-mm is only on the BMP-3, and this is a rare car and it does not have development.

What is not that ?? why?? In my opinion it is, a good car.

[Forest]

The BMP is excellent, only the troops would have 5-8 more. New BMPs do not carry 100-ki, but a pity.

[78bor1973]

We have a "troika" with 100-mm and 30-mm cannons and without an ATGM!

[Forest]

Quote: 78bor1973

We have a "troika" with 100-mm and 30-mm cannons and without an ATGM!

And how many parts do we have with triples? Almost everyone on the BMP-2 ride.

[Muvka]

There were 500 cars at the beginning of 2016. Now more. Or how much is needed?

[Forest]

You need at least 2,5 thousand. 22 pieces were handed over this year. Most of 500 is in storage. In the army there are about 350 vehicles. It is too little.

[Shadowcat]

Our main BMP-2s, BMP-3s, and promising Kurganets-25s and T-15s are armed with a 30mm 2A42 cannon (2A72 for BMP-3), in addition to BMP-3, this is not a weak argument of 100mm 2A70 caliber, which makes it a very dangerous thing. I’m not talking about the Armata platform because of its modularity. Maybe there if necessary something else will be put in the BMP.
But with the reservation, our main current BMPs lose this yes. But you can hang additional protection on the other hand. Yes, the Marder A3 is upset to resist in the frontal projection 2A42, but the flank is already alas.
Oh yes, BMP-3 and above carry ATGMs with them in ammunition.

[Forest]

Quote: ShadowCat

Yes, Marder A3 will be upset to confront the frontal projection of the 2A42, but the flank is already alas.
Oh yes, BMP-3 and above carry ATGMs with them in ammunition.

When they made the Marder A3, the Germans were not aware of how horseradish armor-piercing ammunition our 30 had. Well, the BMP-3 is an exception.

[Muvka]

The Germans, making the car in the 60s, knew which gun would be on the BMP in the 80m? Well, cool. This is without considering the modernization of ammunition.

[Forest]

Show me uranium or, at worst, tungsten BOPS under 2A42 and 2A72. So IS-2 could hold the American Bushmeister. Marder was made for protection against KPVT, and taking into account a large reserve of protection for 4 level STANAG, protection against KPVT began to be equal to protection against 2A42.

[KaPToC]

Quote: Forest

Show me uranium or, at worst, tungsten BOPS under 2A42 and 2A72.

There is armor-piercing and sub-caliber for these guns, there are many ways to ensure armor penetration.

[Forest]

BISON-8 - steel BPS (not BOPS!) And armor penetration of all at 10-20% at medium combat distances. For comparison, the German MK-30 has a breakdown of 10 times higher.

[KaPToC]

What kind of bison8?
"the initial speed of an armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile (BPS) index" Kerner ": 1120 m / s;"
In addition, we have a different rating system, in order to indicate armor penetration, they need 50% of the shells to penetrate the armor, we need to indicate that the armor penetration is XNUMX%.
Therefore it is yours

Quote: Forest

has a breakdown 10 times higher

Essentially on the same level.

[Forest]

ZUBR-8 is Kerner. The difference in armor penetration is about 5%. Plus they use medium hardness armor - the drop in strength is not so high.
Those. 15 and 150 mm breakdown is the same? Well, then ZiS-2 with its 115 mm of maximum breakdown can sew any MBT into the forehead.

[cast iron]

Let's not believe in fairy tales about 150mm broken armor 30mm bullet. This is unscientific science fiction))) I’ll tell you that even cumulative ammunition in the 30mm form factor will not be able to penetrate the 150mm armored steel - this is physically impossible. But for advertising and for deceiving amateurs such as you, you can take mild steel, which is not bulletproof at all, do not temper it and shoot at it with modern 30mm sub-calibers - hence the fantastic 150mm penetrations arise.

[cast iron]

Do not tell tales. Finally, open the armor-piercing tables for Soviet ammunition 30mm and 14,5 mm and make sure that you are carrying nonsense science.

[Olegovi4]

you would somehow argue your statements about "shitty ammunition". and then from the commentary to the comment the same "shaking of air".

[Forest]

The main armor-piercing projectile - ZUBR-6 - is a banal steel armor-piercing blank which most countries of the world do not produce with 50's. Enough?

[Alex koch]

BS-41: armor penetration - 21,2 mm from a distance of 800 m. Normal, 3 UBR6: armor penetration - 20 mm at a distance of 700 m (at an angle of 60 deg.). Those. at least no worse

[Forest]

Quote: Alex Koch

BS-41: armor penetration - 21,2 mm from a distance of 800 m. Normal, 3 UBR6: armor penetration - 20 mm at a distance of 700 m (at an angle of 60 deg.). Those. at least no worse

Not in this case. So the armor penetration of the 122-mmgo BR-471 is higher than the 25-mmgo M791, but this does not mean that the BR-471 is more perfect than the M791.

[Alex koch]

Based on this logic, the crocodile is longer than green.

Quote: Forest

but this does not mean that the BR-471 is more perfect than the M791.

This means that the BR-471 is more efficient than the M791
The 3UBR8 has armor penetration of 1000-27 mm at 28 m. at the same angle of 60 degrees, i.e. armor protecting the "medium" tank from the KPV cartridge, for the BMP-2 already in the teeth

[Forest]

Then arm the BMP with the automatic D-25T.
According to the normal, the breakdown at 1 km for the ZUBR-8 is about 40 mm. At a point-blank range - about 60 mm, i.e. right on the edge of the 4 protection of the STANAG level. Plus, this BPS is rare, not regular.

[cast iron]

Plus, you forgot that the methods of determining the armor penetration at the Research Institute of Steel and the Western "partners" are different. And often a banal marketing swindle slips through with Western partners.

[marshes]

Quote: rotmistr60

Probably difficult in Germany with a budget for military spending.

Yes, they will sell or "help" someone.
It can be seen that the "toad strangled" the meal for scrap to send.

[cannabis]

The 80's Marder was capable of penetrating the armor of our infantry fighting vehicles from a distance of 2 km. We could only "extinguish" it from 600 meters. "There was not even a frontal projection of Marder in the course of firing, only the side ones. Apparently during the design, using our experience with the modernization of the T-34, they planned in advance to convert it into a tank by attaching additional armor. Well, the 105 mm cannon is the one that was on the Leopard. Fabulous accuracy And the ability, when firing a blank, to tear down the towers on a successful hit. So the "Marten" turned into a "Tiger".

[db1967]

In tiger cub rather
From how many meters does this "tank" hit with a T-72 shell?

[Homo]

Quote: rotmistr60

So what kind of tank is it if the side armor holds only a heavy machine gun?

And this is a German "genius", they still think of themselves as unsurpassed tank builders. As the BMP Marder is no longer suitable, rather weak, but how the tank will be just right - brilliant! Even the "banana republics" understand that such a pepelats (I can't write what I wanted, tolerant moderation won't let it through) will not work, because no one canceled ATGMs.

[Gray brother]

Quote: rotmistr60

Probably difficult in Germany with a budget for military spending.

They originally developed this rattletrap as a modernization of the Argentinean light tank "TAM", but the money apparently turned out to be too expensive and the agents sent them to the stump.
Argentinian at the Mardera base:

[EvgNik]

Quote: rotmistr60

So what kind of tank is it if the side armor holds only a heavy machine gun?

The very first thing I thought about. They do it at the level of Ukraine, if not lower.

[mr.redpartizan]

The tank turned out crappy in terms of armor, but its gun is quite dangerous for our tanks. Protection from 14,5 mm is no longer so relevant, as now the armored personnel carriers are equipped with a 30 mm autocannon.

[Shadowcat]

The car’s crew consists of four people: commander, gunner, driver and loader (the tank is not equipped with an automatic loader), ”the publication says.

Considering that there are no blacks, will the Arabs replace the loader? So they are feeble ...

When transforming an infantry fighting vehicle into a tank, the developers equipped it with additional armor that “withstands the hit of armor-piercing bullets of caliber 14,5 mm into the sides, as well as the explosion of an eight-kilogram bomb, under the bottom”.

Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, is surely crying with bloody tears chichas.

[bouncyhunter]

Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, is surely crying with bloody tears chichas.

Rather tossing and turning in a coffin.
Some kind of "funny" tank ...

[sabakina]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Rather tossing and turning in a coffin.
Some kind of "funny" tank ...

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Rather tossing and turning in a coffin.
Some kind of "funny" tank ...

For the Bundeswehr, this is not an MBT, but a fire support vehicle, even if it is called a tank.
And in the armies of Africa or Asia, this is really a tank.

[Vasyan1971]

[quote = ShadowCat] [quote]
Considering that there are no blacks, will the Arabs replace the loader? So they are feeble ...
Svidomo raguli happy to be involved. They do not get used to nemchuru koryachivaetsya.
Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, probably cries bloody tears chichas. [/ Quote]
Yes, and horseradish him. Don't cry! We wouldn’t join ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: ShadowCat

Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, is surely crying with bloody tears chichas.

You can’t name him the father of tank building, but yes, the father of German armored and tank troops, a talented military theorist, one of the pioneers of motorized methods of warfare! He had the nickname Schneller Heinz - “Fleet Heinz”, Heinz Brausewind - “Heinz Hurricane”.

[Shadowcat]

Maybe you're right. I got the flu here. thinks shitty and slow.
Thank you for correcting.

[Holoy]

In appearance, our infantry fighting vehicle didn’t stand nearby ... Well, the Germans left a whole tank ...

[OLD FART]

Quote: Holoy

In appearance, our infantry fighting vehicle didn’t stand nearby ... Well, the Germans left a whole tank ...

Hitler also began with this ....!

[EvgNik]

Quote: STARPER

Hitler also began with this ....!

Vitaly, stop making people laugh.

[OLD FART]

Quote: EvgNik

Quote: STARPER

Hitler also began with this ....!

Vitaly, stop making people laugh.

Zhenya, sometimes you can. (you know me (.)))) Now I’ll dump, but evil ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: STARPER

Hitler also began with this ....!

Hitler began with this!
As you know, to win the First World War Germany was not destined. One of the consequences of the defeat was a ban on the creation of their own tanks. But do not cancel the same because of this workout.

[EvgNik]

Quote: Holoy

Well, the Germans left a whole tank ...

Can be made of cardboard and call a tank.

[Holoy]

So they will shoot our BTR with 2500 from 3000 ... why do they need armor?

[Olegovi4]

and ours will stand and wait until they arrive? or you can’t shoot at Deutsche, is their armor weak? try to imagine a meeting of this car and RPG, ATGM.

[Holoy]

So we are talking about the length of the arm ... 3 km is far away ...

[doubovitski]

Holoy
And are you sure that for 3 km you can get to the battlefield? In smoke, dust and in a hurry? And without adjusting the flight path of the projectile?
Go and drink valerian. Take it easy.

[alexmach]

RPG can you tell me the aiming range? And which ATGMs are armed with a motorized rifle platoon on an armored personnel carrier?

[avt]

Until 2020, the Bundeswehr will receive 350 new Puma infantry fighting vehicles, which will replace the outdated Marder armored vehicles.

What was it ???? Not, for Argentines, Indians of different Asians, this is understandable. But for the BUNDS! ?? If there is even Leopard No. 2 .......... Only if from fierce lack of money Or from the degradation of the defense industry.

[your1970]

tanks from Decommissioned BMP ???? R-R-R-Revolutionary move however ...
The next will probably be bullets - from a product of human life, not to disappear to the same good ....

[Amurets]

Quote: avt

Only if from fierce lack of money Or from the degradation of the defense industry.

From the degradation of the Minister of Defense.

[doubovitski]

Amurets

"From the degradation of the Minister of Defense."

No degradation. She (the woman) was originally such. Moreover, her civilian specialty is a gynecologist.

[Amurets]

Quote: doubovitski

No degradation. She (the woman) was originally such. Moreover, her civilian specialty is a gynecologist.

See her track record at Merkel.
http://www.forbes.ru/forbes-woman/karera/249904-g
eneral-v-yubke-kak-mat-semerykh-detei-stala-zvezd
oi-nemetskoi-politiki

[Dart2027]

I wonder who they are going to steam these coffins?

[fox21h]

Baltic states, Ukrainians and pshekam, in general to all those who have no brains

[Dart2027]

Likely.

[Olegovi4]

Psheks have already invented their prodigy. above and photos posted.

[Mountain shooter]

Thrifty guys. A tank with bulletproof armor is something well forgotten. And 30 millimeter paper in the side? Leopards, therefore, cannot be mastered on the budget? Such modernization to me "Hummeli" reminds me of the Second World War. The Wasp was dangerous, it stung painfully, but it was diligently blinded from Czech pre-war tanks. Also, it did not differ in armor protection.

[win]

A tank with bulletproof armor ... So leopards cannot be overpowered by the budget?

In Germany, the Minister of Defense is a woman, a mother with many children.
Does she have thoughts about armor? ..

[novobranets]

Quote: Siegen

In Germany, the Minister of Defense is a woman, a mother with many children.
Does she have thoughts about armor? ..

-Rose, do you think about sex? -Sarochka, my dear, I have six children, I still have no time to engage in theory.

[Pereira]

I recall how many feces were poured onto our T-26 and BT-7 tanks. And here is a direct analogue. So, critics of our technology under European influence will urgently need to change their shoes?

[Hapfri]

how many feces were poured onto our T-26 and BT-7 tanks.

The Americans had an analogue of Stuart, who fought beautifully, then Chuffy also appeared by the 45th. The Germans in the 41st half of the tanks were light. Finns have successfully used our trophies. So we just misused the tanks we had. The Germans have never criticized our weapons. The whole question is the unpreparedness of our crews and the illiteracy of command.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

"Wasp" stung painfully, but zealously they blinded her out of Czech pre-war tanks.

I beg your pardon, colleague, you probably meant "hetzer" or "marder" - both of the "Czechs". A "hummel" (bumblebee) is 105 mm based on the "four".

[Arct]

"Wasp" at least to sting than it was, but then some kind of misunderstanding ... In short, another THERE turned out, just for the banana wars in Africa ...

[geek2101]

A coveted target for an RPG grenade launcher.

[padded jacket]

This is a tank created for export.
Previously, Germany has already made a light tank for Argentina based on the BMD Marder - the TAM armed with a 105-mm gun

[padded jacket]

And even earlier in Germany they created such a hybrid from the BMP Marder and the FL-15 turret with the same 105-mm gun from the French tank AMX-13.
The tank was also created for export, but it never found its customers.

[sabakina]

When transforming a BMP into a tank, the developers equipped it with additional armor, which maintains hit of armor-piercing bullets of caliber of 14,5 mm in boards,

Excuse me, but is this a tank?
Pleased with the height of the "tank" ... 3 meters ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: sabakina

Pleased with the height of the "tank" ... 3 meters ...

What? You can compose a "counting-rhyme" ... "I went out into the field to fight, to see him far!"

[rus-5819]

Quote: marshes

Quote: rotmistr60

Probably difficult in Germany with a budget for military spending.

Yes, they will sell or "help" someone.
It can be seen that the "toad strangled" the meal for scrap to send.

Something this "iron" reminds ... I remember either a "stronghold", or a container or something ..... If I am right, they will soon appear in the open spaces of the Dnieper region.
In short, "Iron Kaput" in the steppes of Zusulia!

[Banishing liberoids]

Only such modernization will be expensive, but the point with it is like a goat's milk. This tank is the machine of the second line of fire, or third. It’s just a heavy backup with all the flaws inherent in this class of cars, such, first of all, as weak armor protection. And, a new gun this machine will swing during the shots seriously, it will be difficult to fire from it in motion, but only from a place.

[Hapfri]

, and the point with her is like a goat's milk.

They still hang active defense and everything will be fine. A modern shell burns a meter of armor, so ordinary armor, such as it was 10 years ago, still will not help.

[Olegovi4]

you can hang on everything and a lot, but then how will it crawl? chassis, engine, etc. ????

[Bayonet]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

And, a new cannon will rock this car when shots seriously, it will be difficult to fire from it in motion,

Why do you think German engineers are suckers?

equipped with a stabilized 105 mm rifled gun

[Aqela]

I agree. The T-54/55 had a cannon of 100 mm, the T-62 had 115 mm, with a weight of less than 45 tons, it somehow didn’t swing much ...

[OLD FART]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

Starter - Vitaliy, what, quarreled with a head ???

Probably not! I wrote that I think ... I do not like it, just that Germany is controlled from across the ocean!
All this weapon of them against whom is directed again ..? They are already pushing their tanks into the Baltic states!
Have you already forgotten who you need to be afraid of?

We all remember ... And we can repeat, but in a different way!

[novobranets]

What TTX is not impressive, the appearance is depressing, and armored protection catches up with longing. It’s after the Leopards that the Germans will release such a ... contraption? Have you forgotten how to make tanks, or has the Negro taken all the money out of the budget?

[Olegovi4]

here everything is easier, because not for themselves, but for the "Papuans" to burn in them.

[andrewkor]

In 1974-76. Germany for Argentina on the basis of BMP Marder developed a tank TAM. 105mm German gun, weight 30t., but protection from 40mm shells. Is that a step back or for the "Papuans" will come down ?? !!

[Hapfri]

A great example of a competent attitude to obsolete weapons. Good cost savings and machines will serve for another 10 years.

[sabakina]

Maybe it will serve if he, her, her .... in general, will not turn over from a shot.

[EvgNik]

Quote: sabakina

Maybe it will,

Will definitely serve, in parades. Do they have parades?

[alpamys]

Quote: sabakina

Maybe it will serve if he, her, her .... in general, will not turn over from a shot.

the article does not mean that it is Tajik, but it is written GERMAN ... which means quality and thoughtfulness to the last detail.
reading through a line?

[volodya]

Armor, guns. All this is nonsense. The main thing is the rearview mirrors, reflectors and brake lights!

[Damir]

Dear colleagues, did I understand everything correctly ??? after reinforcing the reservation holds only 14,5 ???? Is it nothing that these medium tanks from BMP and BTR can be dispersed ???? is it exactly the Germans?!? !!? or they will be staffing the crew of whom do not mind ??? Turks there are Arabs ...

[OLD FART]

Quote: Damir

Dear colleagues, did I understand everything correctly ??? after reinforcing the reservation holds only 14,5 ???? Is it nothing that these medium tanks from BMP and BTR can be dispersed ???? is it exactly the Germans?!? !!? or they will be staffing the crew of whom do not mind ??? Turks there are Arabs ...

I think just migrants will be driven across Germany! Cheap and cheerful ...

[vm68dm]

BMP-3. Cannon-launcher 100 mm installation + ATGM.

[Horst78]

Well, in Argentina, a tank based on Marder has long been made. There seems to be called TAM.

[Franciscan]

Quote: db1967

In tiger cub rather
From how many meters does this "tank" hit with a T-72 shell?

I suppose that all the same, this is a support vehicle and not for frontal attacks on heavy tanks.

[Franciscan]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, is surely crying with bloody tears chichas.

Rather tossing and turning in a coffin.
Some kind of "funny" tank ...

in its normal machine against the Soviet BMP and armored personnel carriers, as well as for support. nobody will send it to the frontal.

[OLD FART]

We will wet ...))))

[tinibar]

Quote: Giant thought

It seems that by and large it turned out ersatzank, so for a big account, on the battlefield they will be turned into large pioneer fires with the help of ATGMs.

Yeah ... 43 tons with bulletproof side protection .. Characteristics of the lung with a mass of medium ... And the price is heavy?

[tinibar]

Quote: Franciscan

Quote: bouncyhunter

Heinz Wilhelm Guderian, the father of German tank building, is surely crying with bloody tears chichas.

Rather tossing and turning in a coffin.
Some kind of "funny" tank ...

in its normal machine against the Soviet BMP and armored personnel carriers, as well as for support. nobody will send it to the frontal.

Yes, the tank, most likely, for sale to "third countries". Help, so to speak, to all moderate and not so ... Well, and for "police operations" And most importantly, apparently, for old, improved money to buy ...

[Buffet]

About nothing at all. If it's a medium tank, if it's a tank at all. That he must withstand the caliber of more than 14,5 mm.

[Altona]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Such modernization to me "Hummeli" reminds me of the Second World War. The Wasp was dangerous, it stung painfully, but it was diligently blinded from Czech pre-war tanks. Also, it did not differ in armor protection.

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In appearance (outwardly), German panzer-builders created Panther-2, a kind of remake. In principle, any tank can be killed by an ATGM. In Syria, the "full-fledged" and "invincible" Abrams M1A2 tank burns quite well if you hit it from an ambush. In general, this is purely marketing bullshit, for the jungle and the mountains, the very thing is because it is light, there the "chizhol" stupidly gets stuck or well ... it crashes.

[cast iron]

Abrams burns beautifully from the "cornet" rocket fired in the forehead.

[abarth]

this is a good example of an arms race))) meaningless and spending budget.

The average tank weighing 43 tons and tall as ...., the landing squad, as I understand it, was foamed with fire-fighting foam, to increase survivability. Can sell for scrap and with the proceeds buy cheaply what remains in Ukraine T-64

[proud]

Papuans just right!

[KaPToC]

Quote: proud

Papuans just right!

The Papuans have no money.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

We are funny and funny. So the Germans will sell these cars and "pocket the money." And they will also be good and have fun. Idyll.

[Zaurbek]

And on the basis of our infantry fighting vehicles, similar tanks were designed with a 100mm gun (All sorts of objects)

[Zaurbek]

This machine needs to be compared with our SPRUT, based on the BMP-3 with a 125mm gun.

[Shuttle]

Whatever it was, but the Germans remain Germans. Nothing is thrown away, it's all about. Look where there appeared these seemingly useless (against the Russian equipment) crackers. In Indonesia. Who will sell them? That's right - someone in southeast Asia. Or even in some Asia. In a word, not the Bundeswehr. So the Germans in this case - well done.

[ural-ls]

What about the good old RPG-7 or Degtyarev or Flies with a cumulative charge

[ural-ls]

Hans, you completely forgot how to do tanks. Heinz probably turns over in a coffin

[Alex koch]

Quote: Forest

automatic D-25T

Thanks, laughed

Quote: Forest

Plus, this BPS is rare, not regular.

Do you sincerely believe that in the event of a military conflict, the whole burden of fighting the converted maraders should be taken over by the BMP / BTR?

[cast iron]

He sincerely believes in Western agitation, if their 30mm BOPS flashes 150 mm of armor)) This is despite the fact that even with a cumulative 50mm shell this can’t be achieved !!!!!

[Forest]

cast iron,

Quote: cast iron

Let's not believe in fairy tales about 150mm broken armor 30mm bullet. This is unscientific science fiction))) I’ll tell you that even cumulative ammunition in the 30mm form factor will not be able to penetrate the 150mm armored steel - this is physically impossible. But for advertising and for deceiving amateurs such as you, you can take mild steel, which is not bulletproof at all, do not temper it and shoot at it with modern 30mm sub-calibers - hence the fantastic 150mm penetrations arise.

The cumulative penetration rate is inferior to the kinetic projectile. And armor penetration is quite achievable - did the Germans use tungsten in the 40 for the 30 mm cannon to get about 100 mm penetration, but now they can’t improve the result by 50%? So penetration for such a caliber can still be raised - the good example of tank BOPS in sight.

[cast iron]

Dear, give a link to the performance characteristics of your foreign miracle shells?

[Forest]

I’ll throw off links to several articles in drugs.