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Lenin and the Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization

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State Duma deputy, ex-prosecutor of the Crimea Natalya Poklonskaya wrote in the "Live Journal" postin which she called Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong "the monsters of the 20th century".


“Paradoxically, the twentieth-century monsters (Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, Mao Zedong) who shed a sea of ​​human blood did not cause such a rejection as killed with his Family, kind and gracious Sovereign, who radically improved the welfare of his people and ranked it by the end of the twentieth century to the face of the Saints. "

At the same time, Poklonskaya proved to be an ardent fan of the myth of the “great tsar” Nicholas II: “Sovereign Nikolai Alexandrovich is the railways, the lowest taxes in the world, affordable education for all, the most democratic working (labor) legislation, glorification of the Saints, construction of temples and monasteries, the preservation of the identity of Russia, Nicholas II - this is the freedom and honor of the motherland

The unprecedented pace that Nicholas II gave to his reforms — the modernization of the Russian economy and industry, education, health care, agriculture — was not only comparable to the reforms of Peter the Great, but was also in many ways ahead of them. The unfinished results of the country's reforming by the Sovereign were distorted in every way and unreasonably appropriated by revolutionaries. ”

It is worth noting that, firstly, Vladimir Ulyanov-Lenin was the founder of the Soviet state, the successor of which is the Russian Federation, whose deputy in the parliament is Mrs. N. Poklonskaya. To call a “monster” the founder of Soviet civilization and a man who, together with his party, literally saved Russia from complete destruction and occupation by western and eastern "partners" and "allies", is clearly a big mistake.

It should always be remembered that not the Bolsheviks destroyed "historical Russia. " The collapse (February) of the empire was led by the policies of the tsar and the government, as well as the conspiracy of the "elite" of the Russian Empire, the "Februaryists" - Grand princes, aristocrats, generals, admirals, Duma leaders, bankers, industrialists, leading lawyers. Naturally, our western opponents and "allies" supported this suicidal initiative with great pleasure.

Secondly, according to the verdict of Ural Council, not the “sovereign” was executed, but the state criminal Nikolay Romanov - the Supreme Commander renounced the throne during the war. Romanov was not rehabilitated by the Prosecutor General's Office. The legitimacy of the Ural Council as a legitimate authority has never been disputed either.

Thirdly, it is strange to call it a “monster” and put Mao Zedong, the founder of the PRC, on a par with Hitler. In China, in general, they consider that his services to the Chinese revolution to a large extent prevail over failures, despite the serious mistakes he made during the Cultural Revolution. In this respect, he is compared with Stalin and given the formula expressed by Mao himself regarding the great Soviet leader: 70 percent of victories and 30 percent of errors.

Obviously, Mao is one of the largest historical figures of Chinese civilization (and world history). Having received in 1949 an agrarian country destroyed by the war with Japan and civil confrontation, underdeveloped, mired in corruption and general devastation, in a short time he turned it into a fairly powerful state, which entered the club of great powers and possessed nuclear weapons. During his reign, the illiteracy rate decreased from 80% to 7%, life expectancy increased 2 times, population grew more than 2 times, industrial products - more than 10 times. He managed to unite China, as well as include Inner Mongolia, Tibet and East Turkestan. Thus, to call the "monster" of the great leader of China, our ally in the years of Stalin's rule, is a clear mistake.

The pro-Western part of the Russian public and the "elite" likes examples from the West. But there they respect their great political and military leaders, who also did not differ in humanity and literally flooded their countries with blood, implementing great projects. So, for some reason in the US, no one accuses General D. Washington, who commanded the troops in the War of Independence, to shed "rivers of blood", on the contrary, his memory is a national symbol, like the memory of other "founding fathers". In Britain, they honor the memory of the “bloody butcher” who has infused blood on England, Scotland and Ireland, as Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell. In France, Napoleon Bonaparte, who deserted the country with endless wars, the conqueror of Europe, is a national hero, his mud is not watered. He is a symbol of the former greatness of France.

In the new Russia they throw mud at Lenin is the greatest figure of not only Russian, but also world history. And they put on a pedestal a good family man, perhaps a good middle-level officer, a man who could not provide fundamental modernization and stop the death of the empire, could not take responsibility and resist the feudal plotters, to fight with them for Russia. Perhaps he would have fallen in this struggle, but with honor. But he chose to give up the throne, did not make any attempts to escape (although there were many chances to leave, to take out the family). Which ultimately led to a bloody finale.

The First World War showed the full depth of the rotting of the Romanov empire and its “elite”. The revolution was logical. No wonder the most reasonable people of the empire - Stolypin, Durnovo, Rasputin (one of the most slandered figures of our history), until recently tried to warn the tsar and avoid Russia's entry into the war with Germany. They understood that a big war would break through those “barriers” that still cover the weak points of the empire, its fundamental contradictions. Understand that in case of failure in the war the revolution can not be avoided. However, they were not heeded. And Stolypin and Rasputin eliminated.

All the “pus” that had accumulated in the Romanov empire broke through during the war and led to a revolution, first liberal bourgeois, which destroyed autocracy and empire, caused the collapse of great Russia and the armed forces, the beginning of the peasant war, when hundreds of estates were flared. Only the socialist turn of October allowed the Bolsheviks to proclaim the Soviet (red) project and save Russian civilization and the people from occupation, slavery and destruction.

The study of the Great War, in which Russia was dragged in by our Western "partners" —England and France, shows that it is necessary to forget the myth of “beautiful historical Russia,” “noble aristocrats and officers,” and the Red Bolsheviks, who allegedly destroyed the empire and “fuck up” Russian people ”, turned the Russians into“ Homo Sovieticus ”(scoops) with slave psychology.

Thus, the decomposition of the army and the rear forced the most capable generals to take the most severe measures to restore order in the 1914-1915 years. The commander of the 8 Army, General A. Brusilov, ordered identify and punish the self-ruffians: “To my deepest chagrin, I now found out that between the wounded, sent to Sadovaya Vishnya, some of those who were easily wounded in the left hands had clear burns, which indicates deliberate self-mutilation. I order to allocate all such wounded to special hospitals, immediately draw up inquiries about intentional self-mutilation and immediately, without waiting for recovery, be brought to justice. Not to evacuate such wounded to the far rear, and immediately after recovery send to your units so that the court verdicts about them will be carried out at the end of the war ... ”(September 25, 1914).

The looting began. The order of General Brusilov (8-I army) from 11 August 1914 g .: “Cossacks of the Tersky and Kuban Cossack troops made robberies in s. Krogulets, 14-th park artil. by the brigade - in the metro station Grzhimalov and others ... They saw mercilessly in the marauding mercilessly, and I assign this duty to all, without exception, commanding officers, even if the perpetrators were not subordinate to them.

2 July 1915. Order on the 3 Army: “Recently, in the area of ​​the units of the army entrusted to me, there have been cases of Cossacks and other lower ranks appearing in villages that voluntarily give orders to residents to be evicted from villages that set fire to homesteads, injuries and free hay, clover, oats, etc. ... We must not forget that we are currently on Russian territory inhabited by Russian people ... "(the spelling of the original. - Ed.).

Similarly, the Cossacks will behave during the Civil War, when their fighting efficiency and movement strongly fettered huge carts with loot. In turn, hence the hatred of the Cossacks from the peasants and workers (social schism is one of the weaknesses of the Romanov empire).

The scourge of the army was a huge number of soldiers roaming and prowling in the rear. 5 September 1915 General Alekseev telegraphs from Bets on all fronts, noting that the looting is not abolished: "This is facilitated by a large number of lower ranks who are behind the lines or who have been arbitrarily abandoned or seconded, even dismissed under various pretexts."

26 September 1914, the head of supply of the South-Western Front, issued a secret order: “Recently, a large number of wandering lower ranks, singles and groups, behaving in the utter dissolute manner, have been observed on military roads and ... Nizhnyye the ranks of the following on the staffing of the armies of the marching teams, as well as the militia units sent to the destinations, have absolutely no military type and are completely lacking in discipline among them. In addition, often the designated teams and squads are completely uninhabited with hot food and bread, and yet the lower ranks sometimes do not have the opportunity to acquire the necessary food. These circumstances create looting among the lower ranks, reduce discipline and make them unfit for service ... ”

From the order of the commander of the Western Front of 20 in September, 1915 was: “... Currently, there is an accumulation of a large number of stray lower ranks in the rear areas of the front. They roam in batches, roam alone, concentrating in larger localities, where they often produce various kinds of unrest and even looting ... ”

Already Tsarist generals are forced to create barrage units and order commanders to inspire soldiers. Brusilov issues an order: to conduct an offensive not with rare, but with thick chains, “but to have support in even thicker chains and even in columns”. The reason - low stamina and poor discipline of the troops, the need to control the rank and file on the part of the officers. "…Besides, behind it is necessary to have especially reliable people and machine guns in order, if necessary, to force forward and weak-minded people. One should not think before the whole-body execution of whole parts for trying to turn back or, worse, surrender to the enemy. Anyone who sees that an entire part (a company or more) is surrendering, must open fire on the surrender and completely destroy them ... ”(5 June 1915 of the year).

There is no Trotsky with his detachments or Stalin with the order "Not one step back ..." The imperial army is fighting, with Orthodox priests and without communist propaganda. However, the soldiers are massively surrendering, deserting, looting, do not want to fight, are engaged in crossbows. And the "noble officers" sit in the rear.

Brusilov orders the higher ranks to lead the quivering troops to the attacks: “... Many of the years. bosses seek only to control their subordinate units, and this is even when it is obvious that the time has come to command, not control; By the evening of June 3, of the seven chiefs of the infantry divisions that were part of the 12 corps, three were in the village of Liping, and the rest in the same village where the corps headquarters is, and at that time, at least some parts almost ran, and the rest hesitated. I don’t know where the regimental commanders were at this time, but I admit that, looking at the commanders of the divisions, at that time the commanders of the regiments were going somewhere two and three; The generals and commanders of the units not only can, but also have to be behind, to control, but for the time being - until time; since some parts have faltered, they do not go forward, and some already turn - the place of the commanders is in front, and not at the central telephone exchange, where you can leave the adjutant. There can be no excuse for a small number of bayonets ... ”(June 1915). Thus, the royal officers show not heroism and a thirst for self-sacrifice. The steel division of Kornilov and the Iron Brigade of Denikin are clearly in the minority.

Current fans of the “French crunch crunch” love to talk about the brutal destruction of officers by the soldier and sailor masses. And they did not think that this attitude was caused by the division of the people in the Romanov empire into two castes: “Europeans” with a good education and illiterate and semi-literate peasant-working masses, deprived of the benefits and advantages that the “elite” layer had. In the army and on navy scuffle flourished, treating soldiers and sailors as slaves and serfs. Officers considered themselves an elected caste. It is unlikely that soldiers and sailors would begin to kill Suvorov or Ushakov, who instilled a different attitude towards the common people. The division of the people in the Romanov empire into two unequal parts: the "Europeans" and the common people, and caused this wild surge of hatred, which has been accumulating for centuries.

In his memoirs, Brusilov also noted other weaknesses of the army: he explained the elementary truths of the command of troops for commanders (before the war, they preferred not to learn military science, but to walk, drink, play cards, etc.); tell the truth, do not gloss over reality; commanders should see the battle, control the actions of their subordinates, and not sit in the rear; "for the faint-hearted, surrendering or leaving the line, there should be no mercy; the gun, machine-gun, and gunfire should be directed at those who give up, even with a cease-fire at the enemy; if need be, do not stop also before a general shooting of the people "; to maintain discipline always and everywhere, and especially in the ranks, to maintain the strictest, to forget for a while the judicial order; not to be afraid of breakthroughs and detours that break through to take prisoner, and bypassing to bypass in turn, for which purpose to have reserves and lively with all the forces to help the neighbors - the commanders of many divisions, corps and armies preferred to sit still, while the neighbors fought a hard fight, etc.

The extremely low level of general educational and military training of soldiers of new military units was noted. Personnel Russian army by the end of 1914, almost ceased to exist. For the most part, it was knocked out in large-scale operations of the first period of the war, and in part it simply dissolved into the sea of ​​men of peasants who were called up, from which they were trying to make soldiers. Yesterday's peasants, called to war, did not want to fight. Their main concern was survival.

General A. A. Manikovsky in his work “Combat Supply of the Russian Army in 1914-1918” gives terrifying sketches of attitude to rifle ammunition, which was demonstrated by yesterday’s peasants who were forced into war and completely misunderstood its meaning. Manikovsky writes about the “picture of shameful lasciviousness,” when hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition were aimlessly dumped in damp, water-filled trenches behind the trenches, and “traverses and even trench parastones were constructed from boxes of cartridges.” The general points out that millions of rounds simply remained in the field during the retreat, since the Russian soldiers did not at all try to burden them with their export.

“Everywhere [with the arrival of a new conscription force], insane agility of weapon ammunition began,” writes General Manikovsky. “They were not looked upon as a precious part of military weapons, but as some unnecessary and often burdensome trash, which therefore can not be very well protected, and on occasion, for example, during retreat, and directly thrown.” Further, A.A. Manikovsky gives an example, when only on one of the inspector’s trips of the artillery inspector general to the front in the front-line area “about a small section of the recently abandoned position was found around 8 million perfectly serviceable cartridges”. And this is just one example of widespread collapse.

An interesting and deep material was left by the staff captain Mikhail Lemke - “250 days in the royal rate”. He served as an officer of the Stakes of Nicholas II and left a detailed diary. At the same time he brought the documents: orders and secret telegrams going through the Russian rate (the secrecy there was in an unsatisfactory state). The basic reasons for the defeats of the tsarist army, its failures are noted: bayonet attacks on machine guns and enemy weapons; inability to organize the interaction of the armed forces; the failure of military intelligence; the inability to correctly use artillery, the most severe shortage of heavy guns (when they stood in masses in fortresses and on coastal batteries, and in the end were not useful or fell into the hands of the enemy), ammunition, rifles. The indifferent attitude of many generals to the fact that the enemy is pressing on the neighbors (they don’t touch me - okay), also in the attack - they didn’t support the success of the neighbors. The collapse of the replenishment training system during the war: recruits could not really shoot, throw grenades and dig in, there was nothing to arm them with. Lack of morale: mass surrender, desertions, crossbows.

Lemke himself, citing documents, writes explaining the reasons for the degradation of the army and the empire: “Everything is based on the terrible general public dissatisfaction with their lives, on the consciousness that anyway, no victim in the war can buy a new life, a new one. In Russia, a person lost himself and became an extreme individualist, seeing nothing from society and neighbors. He completely atrophied in himself the consciousness of the connection of the common good with the huge whole, he realizes that in this whole nobody appreciates them, that he stands only in the account of cannon fodder cars ... After all, love for the motherland departs in our inner consciousness further and further from many millions completely atrophied, replaced by the most swine egoism. If it were not for this terrible extinction of high feelings, we would not have had the indiscriminate theft, the general ignorance of the common interests, the indiscriminate construction of our own personal benefits, whatever they cost the homeland ... "

The collapse of the army was accompanied by a complete degradation of the rear and the total theft of officials, industrialists and public and political figures who were involved in defense issues. They all stole from the encirclement of the great princes, members of the military-industrial committees, consisting of representatives of the patriotic Russian bourgeoisie, to merchants and industrialists.

Lemke cites the following facts: if a state-owned factory made a conventional three-inch for 7 thousand rubles (of course, not at a loss to itself), then private contractors took 12 thousand for it. Their "fat" was 71%. The same thing happened with the shells. From the memoirs of General Manikovsky: if at a state-owned 122-mm factory, howitzer shrapnel cost the budget of 15 rubles per projectile, then the private factory took 35 rubles for it. 76 millimeter shells cost the state in 10 rubles in state-owned enterprises and in 15 - in private ones. The difference in the price of 152-mm projectile - 42 and 70 rubles.

The results were monstrous. General Denikin recalled: “The spring of 1915 will remain in my memory forever. The great tragedy of the Russian army - a retreat from Galicia. No ammo, no shells. Day by day, bloody battles, day by day, hard transitions, endless fatigue - physical and moral; then shy hopes, hopeless horrors ... I remember the battle of Peremyshl in mid-May. Eleven days of brutal combat 4-oh Infantry Division ... Eleven days of the terrible rumble of German heavy artillery, literally frustrated entire series of trenches along with their defenders. We almost did not answer - nothing. The regiments, exhausted to the last degree, fought off one attack after another - with bayonets or point-blank shooting; blood flowed, ranks thinned, grave mounds grew ... Two regiments were almost destroyed - with one fire ... Gentlemen, French and British! You, who have reached incredible heights of technology, will be interested to hear such a ridiculous fact from Russian reality: When, after a three-day silence of our only six-inch battery, fifty shells were brought up, it was reported on the phone immediately to all shelves, all companies, and all the arrows sighed with joy and relief ... ".

Lemke 21 March 1916 makes a record about the failure of the December attempt of the Russian offensive: “Shcherbachov considered sufficient for the December 1 attack a heavy projectile on the 3 linear meter of the German position, then he added and gave the 1 a projectile for one sazhen, and the Germans spent on 1 XyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX of . It was almost the same in the March operation ... ”. As a result, our troops suffered unnecessarily high losses. The recruits did not want to go to the front and become "cannon fodder", they were imbued with a revolutionary spirit.

Thieves sat literally on all branches, killing an empire during the war. In the records for 14-15 in October 1915, Mr. Lemke noted: despite the fact that the Ministry of Commerce and Industry ordered the oil owners not to raise oil prices, the dealers found how to get their profits from the war. The partnerships "Nobel", "Mazut" and the Black Sea-Caspian Sea, by freezing the prices of Baku oil puds at the level of 42 kopecks, increased the tariffs for its transportation along the Volga by 400-500%.

Suppliers of firewood began to do the same in Petrograd: they, having frozen the prices for firewood, inflated the prices for a waste haul. In this case, already in 1915, there is a “metallic hunger”. “Due to this, such facts became possible that, for example, a pound of forging nails now costs 40 rubles, and more recently its price did not exceed 3 rubles. 50 cop

The “cut” of the military budget and “kickbacks” flourished. Lemke’s 4 diary for December 1915 shows the following story: “In the office of one of the true Mininies, the manufacturer who honestly provided his factory for the needs of his homeland and who organized the business so that the elected commission of every ruble earned by him, the elected commission is Mr. B.

- What do you want?

- Engineer B.

- Please, sit down. What can I serve?

- I will serve: this is my duty, and you just have to get the profits.

“I don't quite understand you ...”

- Would you like to know K., the commission agent for the delivery of casting?

- I met him somehow in the office of M.

- It offers you to take an order for a batch of castings in 1,5 million pounds.

- For how long and what are the technical conditions?

- It does not matter. One and the other - according to your proposal will be accepted without objection.

- Price?

- Not lower than double your neighbor's price.

- Why doubled? I know his earnings, and I could get rid of 20% from him.

- There is no need. The order is complete and the savings do not seem desirable ... Do you like to accept the order?

- No, on such conditions I can not, this is something bordering near ...

- As you wish. I consider it only a duty to declare on behalf of Mr. A. that during the 1916 of the year no order will be handed over to you.

- But I already have them.

- They will be paid for forfeit and taken back. I have the honor to bow ...

The commissioner went out and sent his card with the man, on which his hotel room and hour of departure from the city were marked. Indignantly, the director threw it into the basket, slammed his fist on the table, said: “Bastards!” And walked thoughtfully through the office. Two weeks later, he made sure that the commission agent did not add a single word not justified by subsequent events: the plant lost all orders, received a minor penalty and is now looking for work ... Moreover, the neighbor received all his orders, rewrote all the conditions for double price, thanked B 75000 rubles and doing well ...

It is clear why jewelers, furriers, ladies' tailors make fabulous turns, in a word, everyone who can externally ennoble scoundrels worthy of the gallows ... "

Not surprisingly, when 1 on April 1916, the new war minister, General Shuvaev, takes over, he is horrified: 300-400% profit from military orders is common. Other times, profits are catching up to 1000-1200%. And almost complete impunity.

Thus, it is obvious that “historical, Orthodox monarchical Russia” completely rotted before the revolution. She was plundered and killed by the then “elite”. Grand dukes, aristocracy, a significant part of the generals and senior officers, Duma leaders, merchants, industrialists and bankers. The cadre army was exterminated. There remains the last deterrent - autocracy. The "fevralists" destroyed it, burying the empire and, to a significant extent, themselves.

Persistent people understood this well. Lemke wrote in January 1916: “This is what the Romanovs led Russia to! That they will perish in it, and at the same time very soon is clear; that the country, utterly defeated and disgraced, will shake itself in the face of its gray democratic mass is also clear. But it is even clearer that she will endure the years of the serious illness of her rebirth. Russia must quickly reach the final fall, causing contempt throughout Europe, not to mention America, when democracy understands all the rottenness of the body to the very bottom, not excluding part of it itself. Only then will it, less dependent on traditions, re-create this country. But how much time is needed for such a process? It is necessary to courageously join the struggle to save the country from itself and carry the cross for the sake of the younger generation. ”

Therefore, it is in vain that modern liberals, monarchists and “new nobles” are trying to convince the people that October has become a “curse of Russia”, and Lenin and Stalin are “fiends”. They say that Russia has again moved away from Europe, and the history of the USSR is a complete disaster. In reality, the Bolsheviks were the only force that, after the death of the “old Russia” - the project of the Romanovs, tried to save the state and the people, create a new reality. The project, which will preserve the best that was in the past (Lomonosov, Pushkin, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Ivan the Terrible, Suvorov, Ushakov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov), and at the same time will be a breakthrough into the future, into a different fair, sunny civilization , without slavery and oppression, parasitism and obscurantism. If not for the Bolsheviks, the Russian civilization, most likely, would simply have died.

Lenin and the Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization
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  1. Vladimir Matveyev
    Vladimir Matveyev 4 November 2016 06: 00
    +43
    not expected. that she is so stupid
    1. Byordovvv1
      Byordovvv1 4 November 2016 06: 14
      +24
      Or is she just more enlightened?
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 November 2016 06: 27
        +25
        Quote: Byordovvv1
        Or is she just more enlightened?

        In what? In your historical fantasies?
        1. Su24
          Su24 4 November 2016 06: 44
          +27
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Byordovvv1
          Or is she just more enlightened?

          In what? In your historical fantasies?


          I honestly wrote. It is very good that an official of this level is a convinced monarchist.
          And the article is about nothing. The author thinks that having described the vices of tsarist Russia, he somehow whitewash Lenin?
          The church, the nobility and the peasantry are the historical pillars of Russia, while the Bolsheviks did everything to get rid of them for the sake of a false materialistic ideology.
          1. rvRomanoff
            rvRomanoff 4 November 2016 07: 17
            +33
            It is very bad that an official of this level does not include his head when he speaks. Well, not Lavrov, that's for sure. However, before the seventh of November, the monarchists always itch.
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 4 November 2016 07: 44
              +24
              Samsonov’s cool mix.
              Lenin, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev ... and Russian civilization - sounds wild to me. I will not hide it. "Saved". Yeah.

              Well yes. The War Office was wrong with its planning. The mobilization stocks of weapons and ammunition turned out to be several times, or even orders of magnitude, less than the real needs of the world war. Here the activity of the "military lodge" also "saved" Russia played a role. Apparently, like Lenin, who believed that the defeat of Russia in the war was the shortest path for "salvation." An article by Vladimir Lenin "On the defeat of his government in the imperialist war." But the Russian army, having withstood the supply crisis in 1915, already in 1916 was basically provided. In extreme circumstances, in a hurry, Russian industry managed. The businessmen took advantage of the circumstances. After all, not all of them were nationally oriented or, at least, supporters of the existence of Russia.
              And at other times, was it somehow different? What is happening now sometimes raises questions.

              "Treason, cowardice and deceit are all around." Nicholas II was unable to withstand the existing threats. Because fighting at the front is one thing, but fighting traitors, foreign agents and fools is another.
              And how are things going now?

              Again, Lenin and Trotsky will invite to save Russian civilization? From whom now must the defeat in the war be suffered for the victory of the "revolution"?
              1. rvRomanoff
                rvRomanoff 4 November 2016 11: 07
                +11
                Yes, God bless him and Lenin, he is ours, dear. But to touch Mao is stupidity of the highest standard. I hope that not everyone has forgotten what happened when R.Ya. Did Malinovsky allow himself some revelations? The Chinese are a vindictive people.
                1. avt
                  avt 4 November 2016 11: 34
                  +19
                  Quote: rvRomanoff
                  . But to touch Mao is stupidity of the highest standard.

                  This, again, from her banal illiteracy in the question - "a narrow specialist is like a gumboil." CHINESE described to themselves that very part of their history and the "gang of four" in particular, as "feudalism with elements of fascism" and .... .. left ,, the great helmsman "alone request Moreover, his mausoleum with rags in the parades do not hang. Wise people, unlike ours.
              2. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 13: 22
                +19
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                The War Department was wrong with the planning. The mobilization stocks of weapons and ammunition turned out to be several times, or even orders of magnitude, less than the real needs of the world war.

                Women still give birth, for this stupid way of planning the country has put millions in an unnecessary war.
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                An article by Vladimir Lenin "On the defeat of his government in the imperialist war."

                What about at least the article, have you read, or have the heading understood nothing more?
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                In extreme circumstances, in a hurry, Russian industry managed. The businessmen took advantage of the circumstances. After all, not all of them were nationally oriented or, at least, supporters of the existence of Russia.

                Contradict yourself in the aforesaid, it’s just the very businessmen who boiled excessively, from cardboard boots and theft of smushka to hats, they stole as many as 17 versts, to frankly overpriced shells. They also demolished your Nikolai, The Bolsheviks until February 17? Was Lenin giving an ultimatum to Nikolai in the carriage of the tsar’s train, saying they should sign the abdication and basta?
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                "Treason, cowardice and deceit are all around." Nicholas II was unable to withstand the existing threats. Because fighting at the front is one thing, but fighting traitors, foreign agents and fools is another.

                In how, it turns out, you understand what his entourage passed him, if Prince VN Cyril, at the head of his Naval crew, ran to the Temporary ..
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                Again, Lenin and Trotsky will invite to save Russian civilization? From whom now must the defeat in the war be suffered for the victory of the "revolution"?

                You again fell into a hole ... the role of Trotsky in the revolution, seemingly "great" only in his own "works", but the fact that from February to October, the liberal parasites, along with the Socialist-Revolutionaries and other cadets, blabbed the country, an indisputable fact.
                So the choice is not great, we wish development, we change course, from above, well, from below, do not be offended.
                1. Nicholas C.
                  Nicholas C. 4 November 2016 20: 00
                  +6
                  Bloodsucker
                  You have shown blatant illiteracy and an inability to understand simple thoughts. All of this, in the absence of education, is multiplied by aplomb and rudeness.
                  About "women still give birth" in detail here: skeptimist.livejournal.com/827922.html
                  If someone else reads, then read to the end - there about Seryozha Mironenko is fun.

                  Lenin V.I. - About the defeat of his government in the imperialist war (July 26, 1915).
                  The article is short. Overpower anyone but you. Lenin is concrete, it’s hard not to understand what he writes about, but you could. Enjoy colleagues:
                  www.illuminats.ru/home/29-new/3734-lenin-the-defe
                  at-of-ones-own-government-in-the-imperialist-war


                  This is the answer for people. It makes no sense to comment on what does not make sense. And two points - a lot.
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 14: 40
                    +2
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    And two points - a lot.

                    For you, yes, and this is too much if you have not understood the idea of ​​Lenin’s article.
                    Whose will you be, I suppose, as always in dreams, not lower than the baron, but in fact the ancestors had the rank of driver?
                    I am amazed at the ability of some "retrained", like a cow saddle, to try on tailcoats ...
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    About "women are still giving birth" in detail here: skeptimist.livejournal.com/827922.html

                    The question is not about here or there, but the question of the attitude of the authorities of those pre-revolutionary times to the people itself - "we will not finish eating, but we will take out" - send another link.
                    Quote: Nikolai S.
                    It makes no sense to comment on what makes no sense

                    So, it is contraindicated for you, like some here else, to comment on anything, especially when citing "quotes" that are not in nature, like this figure Bug_Bug
                    .
              3. murriou
                murriou 5 November 2016 14: 03
                +6
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                the Russian army, having withstood the supply crisis in 1915, already in 1916 was basically provided.

                Nonsense.
                A report on overcoming shell and cartridge hunger in Tsarist Russia, starting in the winter of 1915/16. appearing strange laughing coincidence exactly at the time of a deep lull on the fronts, but with every exacerbation of the war an acute deficit was again revealed.

                "Brusilovsky Breakthrough", the only (!) Major success of the Russian army in the entire WWI, did not lead to the expected strategically significant results for the same reason: there was not enough ammunition. And the high losses of the Russian army during this offensive are also a consequence of the shell starvation. already in 1916.

                It was necessary to bombard the enemy with shells, as the Germans did — and in our PMV there was no shell for this. They threw meat with soldiers, and even the lower-ranking officer cadres were mowed down in the very first years of the war.

                Quote: Nikolai S.
                In extreme circumstances, in a hurry, Russian industry managed.

                She had failed at nothing. After 5,5 years of construction, the Sevas turned out to be practically incapacitated and practically did not participate in the war, the Ishmaels were not completed at least half. More than half of "Russian" machine guns, about 40% of "Russian" rifles, more than 30% of "Russian" ammunition, practically all "Russian" aircraft are the result of foreign supplies.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 12
                  +3
                  The Brusilovsky breakthrough did not receive strategic success also because it was not supported by two other fronts, the commanders of which were not sure of success and directly sabotaged the rate decisions. The tsar, by his indecision, did not insist, and could not force the commanders of the western and northwestern fronts to support Brusilov.
                  As a result, Brusilov’s offensive was stifled, the Germans were able to transfer additional forces to this sector and the offensive was stopped.
                  As far as I read, in the 16th year a general offensive was planned and the western front should have delivered the main blow. not Brusilov.
              4. Weyland
                Weyland 9 November 2016 00: 58
                0
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                The War Department was wrong with the planning. The mobilization stocks of weapons and ammunition turned out to be several times, if not orders of magnitude, less than the real needs of the world war


                I will add that the same was the case in ALL participating countries - no one expected to fight for more than 3 months! But the Germans and our allies had ready-made capacities, which they loaded - and we placed an order for shells in allied France. and when there were not enough shells, the "loyal ally" brazenly disrupted the supplies, sending all the shells made on our order to their own needs!
          2. V.ic
            V.ic 4 November 2016 07: 35
            +10
            Quote: Su24
            The church, the nobility and the peasantry are the historical pillars of Russia,

            ... and not only for Russia! Serving the king: First estate = priests (served with the Word), Second estate = noblemen (served as a sword), Third estate = those who are not a curé or a Chevalier (they served as a purse for everyone above them ... The country was called France. Google in I-net Leo Taxil's book "Funny Gospel" ... Here is the attitude towards shrines in enlightened France. Is the influence of the nobility strong in the "Fifth Republic" now?
            Quote: Su24
            for the sake of a false materialistic ideology.

            Introduce "true idealistic" ideology, who is stopping you? Just to get started, read the works of Ludwig von Feuerbach.
            1. poglydim
              poglydim 4 November 2016 18: 24
              +3
              I agree with you, a contemporary of the Romanovs and Lenin, Mayakovsky, wrote magnificently about these miracle writers: "... to you, you who are living for an orgy ...."
          3. sabakina
            sabakina 4 November 2016 08: 32
            +19
            Personally, one of our monarchists is enough for my eyes, which is called Alexander Romanov. The truth is not clear, why with a small letter? Shy of its origin, eh?
          4. avt
            avt 4 November 2016 09: 25
            +12
            Quote: Su24
            I honestly wrote.

            Well, yes.
            Quote: Su24
            It is very good that an official of this level is a convinced monarchist.

            Firstly, she is no longer an official, but an elected deputy, well, if you are going to live according to the principle - "people of servile rank are real dogs sometimes, the harder the punishment, the more dear the Lord is to them," so we have freedom and you can quite sign up to her in the slaves. Only a gallop of fright should others follow you? As that themselves ...; Secondly - in spite of the first
            Quote: rvRomanoff
            It is very bad that an official of this level does not include his head when he speaks.

            Well, as previously indicated - not an official, but an elected deputy, since she cannot be a full-fledged official according to the constitution - she can have a title, but to combine a deputy with a specific public position is not.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 35
              +6
              I agree with you, except for one, shouldn't a deputy have a head? The position is not supposed?
            2. dmi.pris1
              dmi.pris1 4 November 2016 18: 56
              +7
              There are no words .. And Nicholas II is listed in the Immortal Regiment .. And for us, Nikolai, Gorbachev and EBNuty, one field of berries ..
          5. Gardamir
            Gardamir 4 November 2016 09: 52
            +5
            The author thinks that having described the vices of tsarist Russia, he somehow whitewash Lenin?
            And you probably think that describing the flaws of the civil war whitewash the current?
          6. Oorfene Deuce
            Oorfene Deuce 4 November 2016 11: 39
            +24
            Poklonskaya, of course, is clever, beautiful, and generally nyasha ... But in my opinion she has some kind of abnormal shift in terms of monarchism and Nicholas II (frankly a weak tsar). Remember the all-Russian action "Immortal Regiment". Is that why she brought the icon of Nicholas there? With what fright? This makes no sense...
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 36
              +15
              Absolutely inappropriate act, although some manage to argue that Nicholas II is directly related to the Victory in the Second World War.
            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 4 November 2016 16: 49
              +14
              Clever Natalia!

              good And my family came out with portraits of the grandfathers-heroes of the Second World War and great-grandfather PMV disabled officer.

              And my great-grandfather and the Emperor did a lot to destroy the German invaders in WWI.

              And the German invaders in 1941 came the same amount that was destroyed by my great-grandfather and the Emperor of Russia in WWI.

              Thanks to them for that!
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 00
                +12
                Well then, you need a portrait of Peter the Great and Alexander the First, and certainly Alexander Nevsky.
                Better yet, start right away with Alexander the Great.
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 4 November 2016 21: 33
                  +4
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Well then you need a portrait of Peter the Great and Alexander the Great, and certainly Alexander Nevsky. And even better, start right away with Alexander the Great

                  WWIIcontinuation of PMV : with the same soldiers and the same opponents. Their inextricable link is obvious. And you about Macedonian ... request

                  By the way, we were not the only ones .....
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 4 November 2016 21: 41
                    +7
                    Yes, indeed, some Western historians consider the First World War and the Second one war with a ceasefire. And yet our war is the Great Patriotic War. although it was part of World War II, it was still isolated.
                    I do not detract from the prowess of our ancestors in World War I, but still consider it inappropriate. As they say, each has its own time and place.
                    I think in events dedicated to the First World War, and they begin to conduct a portrait of the emperor in Russia and those who fought in this war are quite appropriate.
                    But we note that we are quite a specific event on a particular day - May 9.
                    1. Aleksander
                      Aleksander 4 November 2016 22: 57
                      +4
                      Quote: Ulan
                      I do not detract from the prowess of our ancestors in World War I, but still consider it inappropriate. But we note that we are quite a specific event on a particular day - May 9


                      You will say this in the Donbass, where the widows carry on May 9 portraits of the heroes of the militias?
                      Or Afghans carrying portraits of their fellow soldiers?
                      And why is my great-grandfather, who lost his leg at the front in the battle with the German occupiers, not worthy to go?

                      Worthy! And passed!
                      IMHO
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 15
                        +4
                        Well, if Nikolai is worthy, then Stalin is all the more so, just try to go out with his portrait, such a tantrum will rise, and even the police will take it away.
                        Nikolai still has nothing to do with it.
              2. murriou
                murriou 5 November 2016 14: 06
                +6
                Quote: Aleksander
                the German invaders in 1941 came to the amount less that was destroyed by my great-grandfather and the Emperor of Russia in WWI.

                Nonsense.
                What is common for you, however laughing - and for other people there is a demography that tells how the population changes over time, and why any losses are compensated over time.

                And nikolashka's merits in "victories" during the RYAV and WWI should be known even to you lol
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 6 November 2016 15: 35
                  0
                  Quote: murriou
                  Nonsense. What is, however, a common thing for you - but for other people there is a demography that tells how the population changes over time and why any losses are compensated over time.


                  What did she specifically tell YOU in this particular case about the difference of come-not come in 1941?

                  Except the word "Nonsense" and it was she who, so far, said nothing to you. fool lol
                2. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks April 21 2017 06: 40
                  0
                  Quote: murriou
                  Nonsense.
                  What is, however, a common thing for you - but for other people there is a demography that tells how the population changes over time and why any losses are compensated over time.

                  Nonsense. Not any. Our after World War II did not compensate, and after the 1st World and Civil I doubt very much.
          7. Proxima
            Proxima 4 November 2016 12: 31
            +14
            Quote: Su24
            The author thinks that having described the vices of tsarist Russia, he somehow whitewash Lenin?

            Lenin is a consequence of the processes that took place in Russia at the turn of the century. Do not forget that the people who made the revolution of 1905, the February and October Revolutions are the children of slaves who were sold, executed, bodily tortured and exchanged for dogs. Let's hypothetically imagine that there are no Bolsheviks. What would change? The power could be taken by an even more radical party - the Socialist-Revolutionaries (everything went to this), maybe it could be anarchists, cadets, and so on. But most likely, no one would succeed in taking power and holding it, the Russian Civilization would not.
          8. Aleksander
            Aleksander 4 November 2016 12: 55
            +14
            Quote: Su24
            And the article is about nothing. The author thinks that having described the vices of tsarist Russia, he somehow whitewash Lenin?

            The article is a rehash of somnolent, dull communal whitles that smelled of naphthalene.

            The only thing that pleased me was the references to the white tape (of those times) abomination of Lemke, a propagandist and an ardent admirer of ardent Russophobes Herzen, Belinsky, and other "revolutionaries". They threw him out of the Stavka Press Bureau in 1916 for "unreliability", although, of course, it was simply necessary to destroy this insect. It immediately rushed to serve the Bolshevik usurpers with devotion and published a false propaganda booklet, which had so touched the author 1920 d, when it was already impossible to print something NOT Bolshevik.

            About the Russian Army: Russia WWI WINS, for the Entente defeated in the war, and Russia is the most powerful Entente state. Her losses were much less than the losses of both the Allies and the Germans. The cleverest policies of the diplomats and the Emperor managed to make the main blow of Germany fall on the allies, thereby saving millions of Russian lives (comparable to WWII, when Russia took the main blow)
            The defeat was signed by the illegitimate putsch-Bolsheviks.
            .
            The author continuously puts together unreadable in principle concepts "Lenin" and "Russian civilization". Let it show at least one such expression in the articles of this hoopoe.
            But he can’t, so let him doesn't invent juggling
            .
            This creature, who has never worked anywhere, who lived abroad for half his life (in the "terrible" West) NEVER in the West itself opposed such terrible Western capitalists, but behaved in the quietest way.
            But on the revolution in Russia, she wrote:

            "THE EXPERIENCE IS INTERESTING TO PARTICIPATE !!"

            Bolsheviks NOBODY, NEVER, ANYWHERE chose and instructed them anything: neither "save" the country, nor sign the Brest shame. Power was seized by force and led those countries to horrific misfortune and sacrifice.

            Natalya Poklonskaya - huge respect and gratitude for the truth. hi
            1. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 13: 32
              +15
              Quote: Aleksander
              The author constantly puts together the concepts of "Lenin" and "Russian civilization" which are incomprehensible in principle. Let him show at least one such expression in the articles of this hoopoe.

              Your nonsense is also unreadable and unintelligible due to your ignorance.

              Now, there is an unveiling of a monument to the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir, the Baptist of Russia. WHAT does the widow of VRLA, the traitor and informer Solzhenitsyn, have to do with the person who built the foundation of RUSSIA?
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 4 November 2016 17: 01
                +5
                Thank you!
                Thank God you write YOURSELF without theft and reprinting of long Strangers articles under YOUR name. Why so short? understand Yes , understand. you

                As for delirium, yes: maybe we can analyze the statement of a certain Kovopiytsa about "the occupation of the entire Baltic in FEBRUARY 1917? lol laughing
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 17: 15
                  +3
                  As for delirium, yes: maybe we can analyze the statement of a certain Kovopiytsa about "the occupation of the entire Baltic in FEBRUARY 1917? lol laughing[/ Quote]
                  Again, contrary to History, will you hysteria here that this is not so?
                  Or are you ready to write a long slander once again that they offended you?
                  However, continue your clowning. The pan is firmly nailed.
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                  1. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 4 November 2016 18: 00
                    +6
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    maybe we will analyze the statement of a certain Kovopiytsa about "the occupation of the entire Baltic region in FEBRUARY 1917? You again contrary to history will you hysteria here that this is not so?


                    Once asked, then get, as they say, t, a grenade:
                    = Bloodsucker
                    The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, completely occupied by German troops. On the territory of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia government bodies are formed.


                    Debriefing Comrade. Kr-i:

                    The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, fully (nonsense, only a small part) occupied by German troops. In Estonia (nonsense, there was no Estonia), Lithuania (nonsense, there was no Lithuania) and Latvia (nonsense, there was no Latvia) government bodies are formed (nonsense, no "state authorities" were formed)

                    Here is such a "historian" Bloodsucker- "teaches" members of the forum IN ....... history (!) (Parallel reality) belay

                    And, interestingly, RESISTING in their ignorance!

                    Doesn't know Comrade Kr-I even feast of the SA and the Navy February 23, appointed in honor of the battles of the crane guards in February 1918 r ..... Estland province, which in the version of the Bloodsucker is already like .... YEAR Occupied lol
                    1. the lord
                      the lord 4 November 2016 20: 11
                      +1
                      And his objections to the article, do you have any comments? Or in the Baltic jungle of the 17th year and then get in, as an argument for this article?
                      1. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 November 2016 21: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: znavel
                        And his objections to the article, do you have any comments?

                        AND HOW TO COMMENT:

                        Bloodsucker:
                        Your nonsense is also unreadable and unintelligible due to your ignorance

                        Again, contrary to History, will you hysteria here that this is not so?
                        However, continue your clowning. The pan is firmly nailed


                        Maybe you can? Yes
            2. rjxtufh
              rjxtufh 4 November 2016 14: 03
              +10
              Quote: Aleksander
              and Russia is the most powerful Entente state

              And Britain, the USA, Japan and France, what are they? Little bellies?
              Remind me of how the conflict between the "powerful state" of Ingushetia and the "trifle" Japan ended at the beginning of the century?
              Quote: Aleksander
              Her losses were much less than losses and allies

              This is what a fright?
              Quote: Aleksander
              The cleverest policies of the diplomats and the Emperor managed to make the main blow of Germany hit the allies

              It did not depend on the Tsar and the Bolsheviks. In WW1, France wanted to fight. In 2MB, no.
              Quote: Aleksander
              Russia WWI WINS, for the Entente defeated in the war

              Russia by that time had already left the Entente. At least that part of it that later entrenched in power.
              Quote: Aleksander
              The defeat was signed by the illegitimate putsch-Bolsheviks.

              How to say. For the Germans (and Finns), they were legitimate even in 1917. Those. still BEFORE (!!!) the Bolshevik reactionary coup beginning in January 1918.
              It is interesting that Finland and Germany had to recognize the Bolshevik states twice, first in 1917. they recognized the RSFSR, and then in 1923. - THE USSR.
              And already since 1924. these "figures" were recognized by all the leading countries of the world. That actually meant the world recognition of their state.
              Until that moment, "the world's first state of workers and peasants" existed only in the fevered brains of the Bolsheviks. And in Soviet history textbooks.
              Quote: Aleksander
              The author constantly puts together the concepts of "Lenin" and "Russian civilization" which are incomprehensible in principle.

              Perhaps one can agree with this.
              1. Cro-Magnon
                Cro-Magnon 19 November 2016 20: 45
                0
                You have the sweetest inflammation of the "brain" or whatever is in your head ... if you think that the state arises from the fact that some uncle from across the sea recognizes or blesses him !!! Do you know the measure of your groveling, you need to know, be ashamed ...
            3. 34 region
              34 region 4 November 2016 14: 29
              0
              12.55. Alexander! Was it really so gloomy? Nothing was impossible? But until the 1927 of the year it was possible to write out and read any white-emigrant press.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 4 November 2016 22: 04
                +2
                Quote: 34 region
                12.55. Alexander! Was it really so gloomy? Nothing was impossible? But until the 1927 of the year it was possible to write out and read any white-emigrant press.


                Read this: (PRO-communist site) http://istmat.info/node/47273- everything was blocked and controlled, with the rare exception of the highest party nomenclature.
                1. 34 region
                  34 region 5 November 2016 11: 15
                  0
                  22.04/18. Alexander! Well, what is there to read? Set of 5 English letters and XNUMX numbers. hi
                  1. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 5 November 2016 13: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Region 34
                    22.04. Alexander! Well, what is there to read? Set of 18 English letters and 5 numbers

                    Extremely detailed is written there and links to documents are given.
                    My opinion is that everything was blocked after 1920. with the exception of the top management of the party nomenclature. hi
            4. Ulan
              Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 38
              +3
              It is written a lot. The meaning is zero.
            5. Erg
              Erg 4 November 2016 16: 01
              +6
              Quote: Aleksander
              They seized power by force and led those countries to terrifying misfortunes and sacrifices. Natalya Poklonskaya - huge respect and gratitude for the truth.

              I completely agree. Thanks. And then, reading the posts of many Leninists, I already thought that I was in a "wonderland". hi
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 4 November 2016 16: 43
                +7
                Quote: Erg
                I completely agree. Thanks. And then, reading the posts of many Leninists, I already thought that I was in a "wonderland


                The TRUTH is with us, Dear Sergey! And Leninists always mortally afraid of her as vampires-ghouls of sunlight, and therefore mercilessly destroyed dissenters and even potentially possible dissenters, as well as ALL opposition newspapers and parties. Remaining the so-called. "truth" without news and "news" without truth.

                In the meantime, HAPPY HOLIDAY! drinks
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 16: 57
                  +9
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Remaining the so-called. "truth" without news and "news" without truth.

                  As it turns out in the newspaper PRAVDA, there was one hundred percent of the TRUTH regarding the descriptions of people like you and all kinds of different ones, as well as the politics of the WEST, and in Izvestia, it was the NEWS printed about life in the country and in the world, and not yellow bullshit from the life of fecal in most cases stories from the life of dubious quality of stars and stars.
                  So it’s a pity to look with very strained screams about the "holiday"
                  1. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 4 November 2016 22: 30
                    +5
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    As it turns out in the newspaper PRAVDA, there was one hundred percent of the TRUTH regarding the descriptions of people like you

                    Why are you so obsessed with my humble person?
                    "Pravda" did not write about me, she wrote all sorts of comments on 4 pages, which no one read. The news was a little more interesting, yes, due to the overview of foreign events and the last column on the last page about interesting facts ..
                    But on the whole, an all-aggressive agitation and total LACK OF FREEDOM, without a shadow to a different point of view, is a Grim Middle Ages.

                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    So it’s a pity to look with very strained screams about the "holiday"

                    1. Discussed article - NOT about the holiday: mixed up? belay
                    2. Insult the official holiday of Russia. OK, huh?
                    1. Bloodsucker
                      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 22: 44
                      +4
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      Why are you so obsessed with my humble person?

                      You and the person, the concepts are mutually exclusive.
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      But on the whole, an all-aggressive agitation and total FREEDOM, without a shadow to a different point of view, a DARK MIDDLE AGE

                      Confirmation of your level of intelligence is ZERO.
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      Discussed article - NOT about the holiday: mixed up?

                      So, discuss, you cannot fade to Moldova, discuss the motives for the disappearance of Moldova as a republic and as a state in general, being dissolved in Romania.
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      Insult the official holiday of Russia. OK, huh?

                      It’s abnormal for some foreign national to get into where they are not asking him and where his opinion is absolutely not interesting to anyone.
                      Get the next denunciation, you have it is the only type of activity that you own perfectly, hereditary?
                      1. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 November 2016 23: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        It’s abnormal for some foreign citizen to get into where they don’t ask him and where his opinion is absolutely not interesting to anyone. Do the next denunciation, is it your only kind of activity that you possess perfectly, hereditary?


                        In kak- preach discrimination .... nationality ?! belay Kindle in one word! Yeah, pretty little business!
                        But what about the comm "principles": Yes equality and so forth? Everything is forgotten! ,, lol Oh well, okay, discriminate! lol
                        For, do not believe it, it's nice to read you! Just like the music sounds. Yes
                        The only thing they forgot to remind me of corn, work in the field, etc. Antonescu is so communist! Yes?
                      2. Bloodsucker
                        Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 16: 22
                        +1
                        [quote = Aleksander In how- preach discrimination on the basis of .... ethnicity ?! Kindle in one word! Yeah, pretty little deal! [/ Quote]
                        Nobody is engaged in inciting social and national hatred, except for you here, probably due to the fact that you are inclined to lie and believe enemies, in your mind, the mosaic has developed in the form of a solid black hole, in relation to the USSR, although every sane person, unlike From you, the USSR understands, this is RUSSIA in its true geopolitical and geographical limits.
                        What is now indicated to you — judge the affairs of your Moldova — it is correctly indicated that you and the people like you have ruined the country now trying to sow confusion in Russia, with your vile myths, tales and gossip.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        But what about the comm "principles": equality, etc.? Everything is forgotten! ,, Well, okay, okay - discriminate!

                        In the principles of the Communists there is no principle of promoting lies, and even more so there is no principle of promoting your lies.


                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The only thing they forgot to remind me of corn, work in the field, etc. Antonescu is so communist! Yes?

                        By the way, I remind you that it would really be better for you to engage in hilling corn, planting apples and grapes, rather than messing up issues in which you have very, very mediocre knowledge.
                        The Communists taught you to write and read, but it’s trouble, you overlooked that an ignoramus grew up prone to lies, some kind of pathology ... Moreover, in matters of the Great Patriotic War, in your pearls, you just grumble like Antonescu, justifying the Nazis, Hortists and others Romanians, with regret that they could not defeat Red Russia, even your cries say that I, and we, and my grandfather fought, do not convince you of your sincerity, this is a kind of screen, pluses to collect, no more.
                2. the lord
                  the lord 4 November 2016 20: 15
                  +7
                  Those. everything was in RI hurt before the arrival of Leninists? Current, oops, between the Republic of Ingushetia and the arrival of the Leninists, a period of ten months, ah-yay, how so sir? Cognitive dissonance and only s))))
                  1. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 4 November 2016 22: 41
                    +6
                    Quote: znavel
                    Those. everything was in RI hurt before the arrival of Leninists? Current, oops, between the Republic of Ingushetia and the arrival of the Leninists, a period of ten months, ah-yay, how so sir?


                    Do not be hurt: there was a terrible war with the German invaders, there were huge casualties, wartime difficulties — no less than in the Second World War.
                    About the 9 months: It is a pity that they didn’t read Lenin — he did not see the big difference between the monarchy and the bourgeois Provisional Government — all had to be overthrown.
                    At the same time (holy simplicity!) He called Russia after the February revolution THE MOST FREE COUNTRY in the world... It would seem, why destroy "the most free?"
                    But he did not care about freedom — he wanted the DICTATURE of the minority, which he did by wild lies and terrible cruelty.
                    1. the lord
                      the lord 5 November 2016 01: 53
                      +7
                      You play in vain in vain. Difficulties were much less than in the Second World War, even to compare is ridiculous. Soyuznichki in WWI from the very beginning in Europe with the deutsche began to fight. Although yes, that level of combat readiness of our army was incomparably lower than during the Second World War. Weapons were collected for several months after the Deutsche declared war. Whatever you say, the young man was a nikolashka, a true saint. word and faith with the hell was going to fight)))
                      The fact that Lenin did not see the difference between the monarchy and the bourgeoisie, so this is only a plus to him, he saw the root. The entire 20th century is proof of his innocence. Neither the monarchs nor the bourgeois are able to solve problems, they don’t want to))) And on depressions and recessions you can make good money and come to power.
                      After the revolution, many have the desire that right now everything will go as it should. Well, he called the demshiz of the beginning of that century in this way once, it happens. She, then this demshiza then destroyed his whole conviction))) It’s their own fault ...
                      And since what time has the working people in societies become a minority, cursed? And what did he lie about? And to whom? Although here I suspect snot about freedom and human rights. Do you remember at what time he and his comrades muddied the revolution? In the days of colonial empires, when a person’s life is a turkey, and the soul is a penny. There, because of several bullets in the August body, the PMV was started there, 30 Lyamas buried a man, and you propose blasphemy and nobility in everything? Put yourself in his place. Do not be afraid - it is an honor to put yourself in the place of a great man. By and large, he was a battering ram for the whole colonial world, and the battering ram should not be elegant, although he succeeded. Bkz coming to power of the Bolsheviks, the next victims of the Entente would be us. And they would smash us with particular cruelty. And given that German scientists would fall into their hands, they would also beat us with the use of nuclear weapons. How do you like the prospect of becoming instead of the Japanese in terms of such experiments?
            6. Rozmyssel
              Rozmyssel 5 November 2016 08: 37
              +2
              Quote: Aleksander
              Her losses were much less than the losses of both the Allies and the Germans.


              Well, why lie then? Russia's losses are in second place after Germany, and this is according to unreliable data, because immediately after the WWII Civil began.
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%82%
              D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2
              %D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE
              %D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B5
              Quote: Aleksander
              Natalya Poklonskaya - huge respect and gratitude for the truth.


              Natalia Poklonskaya is a strange person, where did she come from and how did it happen that she has such a crazy career? Here, most likely, the conclusion is that someone is moving her.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 5 November 2016 13: 40
                +1
                Quote: Thought
                Well, why lie then? Russia's losses are in second place after Germany, and this is according to unreliable data, because immediately after the WWII Civil

                So do not lie, find the historian Volkov, the data of the Central Statistical Bureau and the General Staff.
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 13: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  find the historian Volkov,

                  And who perceives this "historian" as a historian, except for your kind?
                  Would you still refer to this tantrum from history
                  http://sputnikipogrom.com/history/23094/ww1-losse
                  s / #. WB78LdSLT4Y
                  I give a link, just by your ability to believe all sorts of nonsense.

                  Realities
                  Hunger and other disasters caused by the war led to an increase in mortality and a decrease in fertility. The population decline for these reasons in only 12 warring states amounted to over 20 million people, including 5 million people in Russia, 4,4 million people in Austria-Hungary, and 4,2 million people in Germany
                  http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/bse/119381/%D0%9F%
                  D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F
                  Losses during the Civil War in Russia (1917-1923)

                  A total of 2 were killed and died of wounds.
                  2 died as a result of terror
                  6 died of hunger and epidemics
                  Total killed 10 million
                  2 emigrated
                  [98] Erlikhman V.V. Population losses in the 2004th century. : Reference book - M .: Publishing house "Russian Panorama", 5. - ISBN 93165-107-1-XNUMX.
                  In the book of TsSU, the losses of the Russian army were estimated at 7 people, of which:

                  - 626 killed;

                  - 17 dead from wounds;

                  - 2 754 202 wounded;

                  - 3 638 271 missing and captured
                  http://www.moskvam.ru/publications/publication_12
                  04.html
                  The resistance coefficient for the Russian army is 0,75, the period of World War 1, the conspiracy of the army is 1 so keep quiet Mr. liar.
                  .http: //postoronko.com/interesnoe-v-smi/pobeda-il
                  i-pobeda-kak-my-voevali.html
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 5 November 2016 15: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster

                    In the book of TsSU, the losses of the Russian army were estimated at 7 people, of which:
                    - 626 killed;
                    - 17 dead from wounds;
                    - 2 754 202 wounded;
                    - 3 638 271 missing and captured

                    Here you need to be more attentive, and separate the prisoners, and then look at the "missing" again.

                    During the ROE, the "missing" was comparable to those killed in battle, usually 2-3% of the personnel in each battle, and those who died of wounds and injuries after the battle were generally counted separately. Due to this, official statistics tried to smooth out losses.

                    Now let's think about where the missing people could have gone:
                    1. Desert and run home.
                    In the WWII — possibly in the REE, in Chinese territory and with very limited railway connections with the metropolis — it is excluded.
                    2. Desert and stay alive at the scene of hostilities.
                    In the WWI it is unlikely, in the RPE it is completely excluded.
                    3. Partisan, being in enemy territory.
                    This happened often in the Second World War.
                    In the WWI, there were no such cases at all, although physically it was feasible. In REV it is impossible at all.
                    4. Independently, with a delay, get to the location of their parts.
                    In WWII there is also a mass version, but in WWI and RPE there are only a few such cases, and they are excluded from accounting for losses.
                    5. To be captured by the enemy, but not included in the known number of prisoners of war.
                    It is also possible, but also isolated cases in the REV and PMV.

                    And there are dozens of thousands of missing persons in the REV, almost equal to the officially recognized number of those killed!

                    And one has to admit, no matter how contorted by this recognition of the bakers, that in the REV the missing are almost completely unaccounted for the dead.

                    And taking into account this fact, the real number of killed in the battles of the REV is approximately twice as large as according to official Russian statistics.
                    I see no reason why the methods of official Russian statistics (and its correlation with real losses) in WWI were critically different from the WWII.

                    Sapienti Sat.
                    1. Bloodsucker
                      Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 16: 08
                      +1
                      Well, there’s nothing to argue about.
                      Quote: murriou
                      And one has to admit, no matter how contorted by this recognition of the bakers, that in the REV the missing are almost completely unaccounted for the dead.
                      And taking into account this fact, the real number of killed in the battles of the REV is approximately twice as large as according to official Russian statistics.
                  2. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 6 November 2016 17: 03
                    0
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Realities


                    Your communist "realities" are realities only in your fictional parallel reality like the well-fed "Kuban Cossacks" and "Volga-Volga"

                    Polovinkin clearly laid out the combid fraud of Urlanis and Krivosheev’s mistake.
                    The historian Volkov is not bound by Soviet censorship. His data:
                    The share of those mobilized in Russia was the smallest - only 39% of all men aged 15-49 years, while in Germany - 81%, in Austria-Hungary - 74, in France - 79, England - 50, Italy - 72. At the same time, for every thousand mobilized from Russia, 115 were killed and deceased, while Germany - 154, Austria - 122, France - 168, England - 125, etc.), for every thousand men aged 15-49, Russia lost 45 people, Germany - 125, Austria - 90, France - 133, England - 62; finally, for every thousand of all inhabitants, Russia lost 11 people, Germany - 31, Austria - 18, France - 34, England - 16.

                    http://swolkov.org/publ/27.htm

                    Urlanis-liars in the furnace.
                    1. Bloodsucker
                      Bloodsucker 6 November 2016 18: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      The historian Volkov is not bound by Soviet censorship.

                      In the circles of HISTORIANS Volkov’s hysterics aren’t quoted at all, and the war’s opinion doesn’t bother anyone at all.
                      There are studies by Krivosheev, where in what place did anyone refer to the opinion of the "historian" Volkov? Nowhere, as well as to the opinions of all sorts of hysterics-corned beef, sokolov and the like.
                      So keep quiet.
                      1. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 6 November 2016 18: 25
                        0
                        К
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        The hysterical Volkov in the circles of HISTORIANS is not quoted at all as, and as a hysterical based on war, the opinion of this wolf does not bother anyone at all. There is a study by Krivosheev, where in what place did anyone refer to the opinion of the "historian" Volkov? as to the opinions of all sorts of hysterics, corned beef, falcon and the like. So keep your mouth shut.


                        DIN historian Volkov kommkam-do not like it is their problem.
                        Krivosheev wrote WRONG about the losses of WWII, relying on WRONG comm of the demographer-pathological liar urlanis,
                        So keep quiet.

                        PS And do not write more like this:
                        they quickly occupy trenches in other places, as in the past in the "trenches" of the Tashkent front or in the service of the occupiers, no matter how they paint it here, saying that their ancestors fought in the Red Army,such and "fought

                        Is it possible to insult other people's ancestors?
                        I can’t answer you the same way-DO NOT do this.
              2. murriou
                murriou 5 November 2016 15: 11
                +2
                Quote: Thought
                Well, why lie then?

                They do not know how otherwise. From the truth, their laughing
            7. murriou
              murriou 5 November 2016 14: 21
              +3
              Quote: Aleksander
              The article is a rehash of somnolent, dull communal whitles that smelled of naphthalene.

              The worst thing about these "komagitki" for all of you is their veracity.

              You can hate these facts, as a dvoeshnik hates a textbook that does not give him.
              But neither the textbook nor historical facts will become less truthful even by a single letter from all the hatred of the illiterate ignoramus.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 6 November 2016 17: 24
                +1
                Quote: murriou
                The worst thing about these "komagitki" for all of you is their veracity.


                Kommagitki is lie, raised by brainless comedians to the rank of truth, if they did not know. They are terrible for you, after the end of the comm-authorities, they put comics in a laughing stock obvious lies and stupidity.

                Quote: murriou
                You can hate these facts, as a dvoeshnik hates a textbook that does not give him. But neither the textbook nor historical facts will become less truthful even by a single letter from all the hatred of the illiterate ignoramus.


                You can hate fact of dead communism as a two-man hates a textbook that does not give him.
                But neither the textbook nor this FACT collapse of comedians they will not become less truthful even with a single letter from all the hatred for it of the rapidly disappearing comedians-dull losers-losers, who have lost everything that is possible and impossible-a country, people, party, money, army.

                -
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 6 November 2016 17: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  You can hate the fact of a dead communism, just as a dvoeshnik hates a textbook that does not give him.

                  That is, you are a two-member?
                  For anyone who has at least a triple of knowledge will say that there was no communism anywhere, but there was socialism, the rumors about the demise of which are very exaggerated, otherwise you would not be so hysterical.
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  But neither the textbook, nor this fact of the collapse of the comedians will become less truthful even by a single letter from all the hatred for this rapidly disappearing comedians-dull loser-losers, who have lost everything that is and is impossible-a country, people, party, money, army.

                  Again, some unimaginable mixture of horror, fear, rumor, speculation. Why are you so scared? They started stuttering already, the letters were confused ...
                  Do you feel that History is turning against you, and here in the shamanistic dances with tambourines, mutter the shamanic mantras - died, died? What a funny man ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 6 November 2016 17: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    For anyone who has at least a triple of knowledge will say that there was no communism anywhere, but there was socialism,

                    But was socialism the same?
                    And what did he express himself in?
                    Let us compare the capitalist Luxembuig, Sweden, the countries of Europe and the USSR
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    the rumors about whose death are very exaggerated, otherwise you would not be hysterical so loudly.

                    well yes the dead cannot die
                    although Maduro disagrees with me
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    History turns against you

                    God’s so sorry story, that every new ruler of yo redraws for himself.
                    1. zoolu300
                      zoolu300 13 November 2016 05: 28
                      +1
                      Let's compare. A superpower influencing the destinies of the world, carrying out grandiose scientific and industrial projects, and, on the other hand, not influencing anything and nothing powerful places.
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 13 November 2016 06: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: zoolu300
                        Superpower influencing the fate of the world

                        Who is this? Is it really the USSR? You just make everyone laugh. A ridiculous state that was not thrown only by the lazy.
                        Quote: zoolu300
                        carrying out grandiose scientific and industrial projects

                        Which ones? Which ball and transmitter on a rocket developed "with the help of the Germans" threw into space? So little "achievement".
                        And then, what were these "achievements" for you? Have you smeared them on bread?
                        Quote: zoolu300
                        and on the other hand, places that do not affect anything and are powerless.

                        "Influence in the world" is one of the rituals of the adherents of feudal "developed socialism". Like, "and my master is cooler than yours." In fact, the main task of ANY NORMAL state is the level of welfare of the population. It is this indicator that should be guided by.
                      2. CorvusCoraks
                        CorvusCoraks April 21 2017 06: 52
                        0
                        Quote: zoolu300
                        Let's compare. A superpower influencing the destinies of the world, carrying out grandiose scientific and industrial projects, and, on the other hand, not influencing anything and nothing powerful places.

                        With the USSR, the entire 3rd world raped with beautiful eyes ... That's all the influence.
                  2. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 6 November 2016 18: 04
                    0
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    That is, you are a two-member? For anyone who has at least a triple in knowledge will say that there was no communism anywhere, but there was socialism, the rumors of whose death are very exaggerated, otherwise you would not be so hysterical.


                    Deutsche, my friend, this is you, not knowing even the stories SA and Navy Day 23 February even in his comm. interpretations lol How are the Germans in the Baltic States in February 1917-th-took Estonia already lol fool ?
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Again, some unimaginable mixture of horror, fear, rumor, speculation. Why are you so scared? You started stuttering, confused letters ... Do you feel that History is turning against you and here in the shamanic dances with tambourines you’ll mutter the shamanistic mantras - died, died? fun ...

                    You are not. (the rapidly disappearing comms, dull losers, losers who lost everything that is possible and impossible — a country, people, party, money, army).request
                    Why be afraid? lol
                    What a funny wink
          9. Ulan
            Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 28
            +10
            Are you a new "nobleman"? Well, we can clearly see what these new "nobles" have done with today's Russia.
          10. poglydim
            poglydim 4 November 2016 17: 54
            +5
            Quote: Su24
            Church, nobility and peasantry - historical pillars of Russia

            Another piece of something frozen there in amber, everything changes, time cannot be stopped, from which gas pipe do you creep out?
          11. Rastas
            Rastas 4 November 2016 18: 29
            +7
            What is materialistic ideology, excuse me? That there were class contradictions, no historian can deny. In addition, it somehow turned out rotten about the pillars. By that time, the nobility had turned into inhabitants of cherry orchards, capable only of crying for their former luxury, by the 17th the king was tired of them. The peasantry, another "pillar" of yours, began in the course of the revolution to actively take away land from the old owners. The same peasant uprisings against the Bolsheviks, which the monarchists like to refer to, took place under completely revolutionary slogans. So the slogan of the Tambov peasants was: “Long live Soviet power on the platform of the October Revolution!” The appeal of the insurgent commandant's office of Stavropol-on-Volga (now Togliatti), which became the center of the uprising, also said: “We do not deviate a step from the Constitution RSFSR and are guided by it "
          12. Lord blacwood
            Lord blacwood 4 November 2016 20: 14
            +6
            Quote: Su24
            The church, the nobility and the peasantry are the historical pillars of Russia, while the Bolsheviks did everything to get rid of them for the sake of a false materialistic ideology.

            You are clearly behind the whole world:
            The church was a pillar of the state in the Middle Ages (although in Europe it is sometimes the other way around), but it ceased to be a pillar in the era of industrialization.
            The nobility was also the mainstay of the state in the Middle Ages, but in the 19th century it ceased to be a support, since the nobles turned into a parasitic stratum of society, which treated the common people (more than 80% of the country's population) as "second-class" people, and therefore hindered development country and caused class contradictions.
            The peasantry ceased to be a "pillar" of Russia in the 20th century, when the country began to move from an agrarian to an industrial society (even if the Russian Empire had survived, the peasantry would have disappeared anyway, since the country needed industrialization).
            Thus, all the "pillars" of Russia by the 20th century had outlived their usefulness, and they needed to be replaced. But the emperor and his entourage did not want reforms, and kept the historical "pillars".
            In the end, it was these "pillars" that led the Russian Empire to the revolution and the Civil War.
          13. A.Lex
            A.Lex 5 November 2016 14: 45
            +3
            Quote: Su24
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Byordovvv1
            Or is she just more enlightened?

            In what? In your historical fantasies?


            I honestly wrote. It is very good that an official of this level is a convinced monarchist.
            And the article is about nothing. The author thinks that having described the vices of tsarist Russia, he somehow whitewash Lenin?
            The church, the nobility and the peasantry are the historical pillars of Russia, while the Bolsheviks did everything to get rid of them for the sake of a false materialistic ideology.

            This is not YOUR comment about anything. The article directly states - what is the reason for the collapse of RI. And you just brushed it off - like it's all a lie. But you did not give any facts. How similar it is to modern "Westerners" for whom everything in the country is bad, because it is in Russia, because it is a "scoop." Everything as usual.
          14. Vladimir Matveyev
            Vladimir Matveyev 22 May 2017 11: 17
            0
            Ram, learn the story! The Bolsheviks came and saved Russia! Russia was lying like a rag on the ground and no one needed a whole. Everyone in the West prepared to share and rob her!
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 4 November 2016 07: 04
        +14
        With all due respect to Poklonskaya, as a specialist, I can say one thing about her speech: she is enlightened by the West. Like most politicians.
        Quote: Byordovvv1
        Or is she just more enlightened?
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          1. V.ic
            V.ic 4 November 2016 12: 09
            +6
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Judge by yourself?

            Not at all! "Rear-wheel drive" I despise on a par with the sectarians. In the XNUMXth (eighteenth) century, people familiar with the works of encyclopedists were called "enlightened", and masons among them. In the XXI (twenty-first) century, this term is fully owned by the "Jehovah's Witnesses", "White Brotherhood", "Aum Shinrikyo". Where can one classify Ms. ex-prosecutor, a Freemason or a sectarian? This is me not for you, but for Mr. Byordovvv1 ...
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 4 November 2016 13: 40
              0
              Quote: V.ic
              I despise "rear-wheel drive" as well as sectarians

              - "rear-wheel drive" are not those who have a "flashlight". You are confusing something here, IMHO

              Quote: V.ic
              In the XXI (twenty-first) century, this term is fully possessed by the "Jehovah's Witnesses", "White Brotherhood", "Aum Shinrikyo"

              - yah? belay
              - thanks, I will know now (I did not know before)
              - And you definitely do not confuse anything (again)? wink
              1. V.ic
                V.ic 4 November 2016 14: 22
                +5
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                and you definitely do not confuse anything (again)?

                "We cannot predict
                How our word will respond
                And we are given sympathy,
                How grace is given to us ... "
                F. Tyutchev
              2. the lord
                the lord 4 November 2016 20: 19
                0
                Weak attempts at playing on phrases and semantic definitions of your opponents. It seems you mind something, but if you look closely, it’s useless trolling.
                1. V.ic
                  V.ic 5 November 2016 07: 36
                  0
                  Quote: znavel
                  It seems you mind something, but if you look closely, it’s useless trolling.

                  You know better from the sandbox.
                  1. the lord
                    the lord 5 November 2016 14: 31
                    0
                    Crap one's pants again? Come on, scream, call mom for diapers))))
                    1. V.ic
                      V.ic 5 November 2016 16: 05
                      0
                      Quote: znavel
                      Crap one's pants again? Come on, scream, call mom for diapers)

                      This is you about yourself feel kind? Why so much expression ... request ?
                      1. the lord
                        the lord 5 November 2016 23: 05
                        +1
                        This is about you little-cold, look at your tights, go call mom, otherwise it’s already soaked with you, it doesn’t wipe away))))
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                1. Rozmyssel
                  Rozmyssel 5 November 2016 08: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Hunter
                  For Cat Monula !!!

                  Poked a cat in the face!
                  All for not going there
                  Cat Manul, shit on the site


                  paid under the guise of cutters.
      4. Rozmyssel
        Rozmyssel 5 November 2016 09: 03
        +4
        the fact that many Romanov-criminals have already guessed, but how true is Samsonov’s phrase on the headline?
        Lenin and the Bolsheviks saved the Russian civilization


        Lenin, who received money from the Germans and, together with his Jewish kagal, did not save Russian civilization, but built his own Jewish order in Russia, when the Russian people, who had no rights under the Romanovs, should not have them under the Jewish Bolsheviks, it happened. So Samsonov again by.
        1. CorvusCoraks
          CorvusCoraks April 21 2017 06: 57
          0
          Quote: Thought
          I did NOT SAVE Russian civilization, but built my own Jewish order in Russia, when the Russian people who had no rights under the Romanovs should not have them under the Jewish Bolsheviks,

          Not that he didn’t save, he destroyed. And it will turn out whether or not to build a kaganate, it was not the essence anymore, it was important.
    2. Sharapov
      Sharapov 4 November 2016 08: 01
      +20
      Everyone has the right to their opinion.
      But in the article the author is "playing" with facts. It was the Bolsheviks who organized the agitation. company for the collapse of the tsarist army promising to give land (like, soldiers, rather home, otherwise you will not have enough), and then concluded the shameful Brest Peace.
      It is also strange that a handful of Jews, Georgians and Balts took on German money to save Russian civilization.
      Everyone can try to defraud the Romanovs - after all, they will not answer, and they will not be sued.
      Being essentially a "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise. After the putsch and the civil war - the complete collapse of the economy and the army, the restoration of which the Russian people were engaged in until 1941. And leave the tales about free labor and imaginary benefits for the people to Zyuganov.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 4 November 2016 08: 35
        +26
        Not a smart person Sharapov. Sorry, you can’t swear ...
        1. Sharapov
          Sharapov 4 November 2016 08: 47
          +8
          And Sabakina is probably not a person, since there are no arguments in return. Immediately she is drawn to her native swearing.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 46
            +9
            There are so many arguments here that just read, don't be lazy. Instead, you fell upon Sabakina.
            If you do not know what was the collapse of the army of Denikin, read. Have you ever read the article? There, incidentally, the testimonies of Brusilov and other Russian generals are given.
            It is strange that you did not understand that the collapse of the economy and the army happened before the October Revolution. The Civil War, unleashed by no means the Bolsheviks, this collapse aggravated it.
            Sabakina rudely said, but essentially true - your comment is illiterate.
            1. Sharapov
              Sharapov 4 November 2016 17: 13
              +10
              Ulan, did you discover America for yourself that any country waging a large-scale war for 3 years will ruin its economy and army? Congratulations.
              Indeed, the Russian army lost almost 3 of its composition over the 1,5 years of the war (1 million dead, 2,6 million wounded, 2,5 million prisoners). It is during the 2nd World War that the United States can make a profit and develop the economy; Russians do not know how.
              And you know very well that I meant the slogan of the Bolsheviks "Let's turn the imperialist war into a civil war." By their defeatist sentiments, actively implanted in the minds of soldiers and workers, they actually acted as Germany's allies.
              It was precisely these factors that caused the massive persecution of the Bolsheviks by the tsarist regime (closure of the Iskara newspaper, arrests, exile). Only inveterate Bolshevik-Leninists can argue with this, who are sure that it was not the Bolsheviks who unleashed the civil war.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 17
                +6
                But for me there is no need to decide what and when I found out. This is a petty trick of the demagogues to come up with something for the opponent to ascribe to him, and then start to smash it.
                So pay your congratulations on cheating.
                Labeling your interlocutors by you again does not add to your statements of correctness, but I do not call you a Vlasovites to give weight to my words.
                Before the February Revolution, the Bolsheviks in the army had absolutely no influence, and whatever slogans they promoted there, it did not matter, especially since the tribunals acted.
                But when the Provisional Government approved the Order of the Petrograd Soviet No. 1 and issued a decree on soldiers' liberties, then everything rolled downhill, although there were more than enough prerequisites for that.
                Read what Brusilov said about discipline and everything else ..
                So there is nothing to argue about, it was with the blessing of the Provisional Government that the army and navy soldier and sailor committees appeared that controlled the orders of the commanders, even removed them from their posts, and the opportunity for agitation appeared. which has already fallen on fertile soil, etc. Moreover, in the soldiers' committees, most often did not belong to the Bolsheviks at all.
                And please do not push the emotions, trying to prove something, they do not affect me.
                The fact that the Bolsheviks did not unleash a civil war is a fact and a slogan - we will turn the imperialist war into a civil war. only stupid people can directly perceive it.
                In what conditions the Bolsheviks adopted this slogan and why and when it was discarded as unnecessary, I already wrote here on the forum.
                Find and read, it’s easy, but I don’t want to repeat myself.
              2. Rastas
                Rastas 4 November 2016 18: 59
                +8
                Sharapov, why did Russia get involved in this criminal war? The war was fought for money, for dividing sales markets, for profit. Ordinary soldiers and officers were just cannon fodder in that slaughterhouse. Note that all the most famous works about that war are anti-war in nature. Read Henri Barbusse ("Fire"), Richard Aldington "Death of a Hero", D. Passos "Three Soldiers", Remark "All Quiet on the Western Front" and "Return", J. Hasek "The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik", Hemingway "Goodbye weapon ". All of them are imbued with anti-war themes.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 4 November 2016 19: 06
                  +6
                  Correctly soaked. Ordinary people did not need this war.
                  Who needed it clearly, as one of the English lords said - the war lasts only two days, and we have already earned several million pounds.
                2. Sharapov
                  Sharapov 4 November 2016 20: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Rastas
                  Sharapov, why the hell did Russia get involved in this criminal war?

                  Ask this question to Tsar Nicholas, when the time comes, what do I have to do with it?
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          2. RUSS
            RUSS 5 November 2016 16: 30
            +2
            Quote: Sharapov
            And Sabakina is probably not a man

            But Sobakin is generally a strange comrade or commodity, on his profile picture Piret Mängel is an Estonian actress, writes Sobakina from a masculine gender, but he is not Sobakin, but Sobakina .... request
      2. 34 region
        34 region 4 November 2016 09: 07
        +24
        08.01/1905. Sharapov! Very interesting! Lenin sold Russia? Did the Germans give Lenin money? Well, the Americans gave money to Kerensky and he even ran away in the car of the American diplomatic mission. But no one gave Lenin. Why? And White was given. Is the Brest peace a payment for the money Lenin received? And where is Lenin doing this money? Even Hitler did not say that the revolution in Russia was bought with German money. Why did Lenin call the Brest Peace shameful if he made money for Lenin (and money lovers never consider shame getting money)? Why did he send Trotsky with the task of neither war nor peace? If the Brest Peace was bought, why did the Germans attack after its conclusion? Attempt on Lenin is not terror? Release of officers under an honest officer’s word is a murder? Defeat in the 1905 war is Lenin to blame? After 60, did Stalin replace up to XNUMX% of the officers of the Russian army? If Russia developed rapidly under the tsar, why was it peasant and illiterate? How can this be explained? hi
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 4 November 2016 09: 51
          +3
          Quote: Region 34
          Why did Lenin call the Brest Peace shameful if he concluded for the money received by Lenin

          - cover operation? wink

          Quote: Region 34
          Attempt on Lenin is not terror?

          - Are you talking about Fanya Kaplanova, or what?
          - so it was an imitation ...
          - believe me, with the mess that was then, they would like to kill - they would kill. Twice. Especially if serious forces (at the level of, say, states) were puzzled by this Yes

          Quote: Region 34
          If Russia with the king rapidly developed, why was she a peasant and illiterate? How can this be explained?

          - Russia initially was peasant and totally illiterate
          - do not confuse "development" and "desired development result"
          - development is the process of transition from what is on hand to the desired result, I recall

          And there is such a word, compound: Dima-Gogia ... so this is for you hi
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 4 November 2016 12: 07
          +6
          Much allies, but maybe not ...
          - How so? - So. The Bolsheviks are not dumb.
          You sold the revolution. - You are a durole! The club is steroos!
          Tell me, to whom did we sell it, to whom ?!
          And who knows, to whom the tribute is won, they sold him.
          "Two comrades served"
        3. Sharapov
          Sharapov 4 November 2016 12: 48
          +8
          Quote: Region 34
          Lenin sold Russia? Did the Germans give Lenin money? Well, the Americans gave money to Kerensky and he even ran away in the car of the American diplomatic mission. But no one gave Lenin. Why? And White was given. Is the Brest peace a payment for the money Lenin received? And where is Lenin doing this money? Even Hitler did not say that the revolution in Russia was bought with German money. Why did Lenin call the Brest Peace shameful if he made money for Lenin (and money lovers never consider shame getting money)? Why did he send Trotsky with the task of neither war nor peace? If the Brest Peace was bought, why did the Germans attack after its conclusion? Attempt on Lenin is not terror? Release of officers under an honest officer’s word is a murder? Defeat in the 1905 war is Lenin to blame? After 1905, did Stalin replace up to 60% of the officers of the Russian army? If Russia developed rapidly under the tsar, why was it peasant and illiterate? How can this be explained?

          34th you are our region, your campaign is a dead end in life and hopelessness, since you have so many unresolved issues. It happens .... Try also to ask - in what way and for what purpose in April 1917 the worst enemies of Russia (Germans) smuggled the Bolshevik revolutionaries into cars? That's the way the composition of the passengers of the trailer. There are practically no Russians there.
          Lenin wagon
          ULYANOV, Vladimir Ilyich, clan April 22 [10], 1870, Simbirsk, (Lenin).
          SULISHVILI, David Sokratovich, kind. March 8, 1884 Suram, Tifd. lips.
          ULYANOVA, Nadezhda Konstantinovna, clan Feb 14 1869 in Petrograd.
          ARMAND, Inessa Fedorovna, clan in 1874 in Paris.
          SAFAROV, Georgy Ivanovich, kind. November 3, 1891 in Petrograd
          MORTOCHKINA, Valentina Sergeevna, born. February 28, 1891
          Kharitonov, Moses Motkov, kind. February 17, 1887 in Nikolaev.
          KONSTANTINOVICH, Anna Evgenievna, clan Aug 19 66 g. In Moscow.
          USIEVICH, Grigory Alexandrovich, kind. September 6, 90 in Chernihiv.
          KOH, Elena Feliksovna, kind. February 19, 93 in Yakutsk.
          RAVVICH, Sarah Naumovna, clan August 1, 79 in Vitebsk.
          TSKHAKAYA, Mikhail Grigoryevich [Micah], kind. January 2, 1865
          SKOVO, Abram Anchilovich, born. September 15, 1888
          RADOMYSLSKY, [G. Zinoviev], Ovsey Gershen Aronovich, September 20, 1882 in Elizavetgrad.
          RADOMYSLSKAYA, Zlata Evnovna, clan. January 15, 82
          RADOMYSLSKY, Stefan Ovseevich, genus. September 17, 1913
          RYVKIN, Zalman Ber Osherovich, sort. September 15, 83 in Velizh.
          SLYUSAREVA, Nadezhda Mikhailovna, clan 25 sept. 86 g
          GOBERMAN, Mikhail Vulfovich, kind. 6 sept. 92 g. In Moscow.
          ABRAMOVICH, May Zelikov, born. March 27, 81
          LINDE, Johann Arnold Johannovich, born on September 88 in Goldingen.
          BRILLIANT, [Sokolnikov], Grigory Yakovlevich, kind. August 2, 88 in Romny,
          MIRINGOF, Ilya Davidovich, born. Oct 25 77 g. In Vitebsk.
          MIRINGOF, Maria Efimovna, kind. March 1, 86 in Vitebsk.
          ROSENBLUM, David Mordukhovich, sort. August 9, 77 in Borisov.
          PAYNESON, Semyon Gershovich, sort. December 18, 87 in Riga.
          GREBELSKAYA, Fanya, kind. April 19, 91 in Berdichev.
          POGOVSKAYA, Bunya Hemovna, kind. July 19, 89 in Rikins (with her - son Reuben.)
          AIZENBUND, Meer Kivov, born. May 21, 81 in Slutsk.
          And even SAFAROV, Georgy Ivanovich (who was shot in 1942) had an Armenian and a Polish in his parents.
          Do not think that I am a nationalist, I just would like to know who saved Russian civilization.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 13: 39
            +12
            Quote: Sharapov
            Do not think that I am a nationalist, I just would like to know who saved Russian civilization.

            No, you are not a nationalist, you are limitedly educated, or rather not educated at all, quoting a long-running myth.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 4 November 2016 18: 25
              +6
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              more precisely, not educated at all, quoting foul myth.
              Oh?
              1. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 22: 46
                +2
                Yes. A private opinion, nothing more, Peskov already somehow justified himself on this occasion.
                1. sailor52
                  sailor52 5 November 2016 01: 07
                  +3
                  For you, Putin and Peskov equivalent figures?
                  Putin didn’t seem to justify himself to anyone before you.
                  1. murriou
                    murriou 5 November 2016 16: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: sailor52
                    For you, Putin and Peskov equivalent figures?
                    Putin didn’t seem to justify himself to anyone before you.

                    But Peskov is needed to justify himself for all the nonsense that the head of our state has publicly argued - not Putin personally had to apologize.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 5 November 2016 07: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Yes.

                  There is Andrei Dikiy, who analyzed in detail the composition of the Central Committee of the parties of Bolsheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks, etc. The composition of the Soviet government in the first post-revolutionary years. All with facts, surnames. Grigory Klimov in his book "God's People" refers to the works of the Wild. hi
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 18: 21
                    +1
                    That Klimov, that Wild, two wild authors in their writings. In the mountain of nonsense there are grains of truth there, but this nonsense, beneath it has nothing but an attempt to drag the donkey by the ears in the form of a terribly terrible myth that Jews are entirely to blame.
                    Who is to blame, for example, in Spain, after conquering America and pouring golden rain there, and the country ended up sinking deplorably in Europe, having lost its significance — the Jews or kings with Spanish grandees who stupidly rolled all the gold that they plundered instead of developing their kingdom?

                    In general, we read a detailed analysis of your myths and see that the myth composed by climatic, wild, and the like is a dirty myth, tailored to obvious goals.
                    http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/Evrei-Rossii_1917
                    -1924.htm
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 6 November 2016 13: 57
                      +1
                      Quote: The Bloodthirster
                      In general, we read a detailed analysis of your myths and see that the myth composed by climatic, wild, and the like is a dirty myth

                      But what about the facts - there are lists of members of the Central Committee of the revolutionary parties, and they coincide with the lists of A. Dikogo? And in analyzing the identities of the members of these Central Committees, most are of Jewish origin. In fact what? Or as in the catechism - all in all, all in all .....
                      P.S. By the way, the link does not open. request
                      1. Bloodsucker
                        Bloodsucker 6 November 2016 15: 39
                        +1
                        http://ldn-knigi.lib.ru/JUDAICA/Evrei-Rossii_1917
                        -1924.htm
                        It opens perfectly.
                        If you are already unable to open, look here
                        https://cont.ws/post/421508
                        So the lists of Wild, complete game.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 6 November 2016 17: 42
                        0
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        It opens perfectly.

                        The first is not, 404. In the second, Stalin is listed as Ossetian. and this is just a theory. Accordingly, the link does not cause trust. Like the first, JUDAICA is read at the address. Found a reliable source! lol
                        The history of the Jews is still remembered personally - when they wrote Russian in passports. Yes, and the Russian-speaking Catechism, printed in Tel Aviv, held in his hands personally.
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        So the lists of Wild, complete game.

                        Is Victor Marsden lying too?
          2. 34 region
            34 region 4 November 2016 14: 40
            +7
            12.48. Sharapov! In addition to the Bolsheviks, members of other parties rode there. There were already revealing articles about the Jewish general leadership.
          3. Ulan
            Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 51
            +4
            And voice party affiliation.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 20
              +2
              Clearly, there is no answer. Myths, myths, oh your sweetness. laughing
        4. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 November 2016 18: 15
          +9
          "Did the Germans give Lenin money?" ////

          Of course. This is a strictly established fact. Not for personal needs, but for agitation against
          war. And Lenin neatly wrote usage reports after receiving
          each serving. Lenin was not a paid agent of the German General Staff in the usual sense, but he entered into a temporary tactical alliance with him to pull Russia out of the war. And the Brest peace is part of it.
          Lenin was the cleverest man of incredible energy and charisma. However, he was extremely cruel, and to achieve his goal he did not shun by any means. He put on a social experiment in Russia.
          And, as you see, after 100 years there is still a debate about its success or failure.
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 18: 49
            +5
            [quote = voyaka uh] Of course. This is a strictly established fact. Not for personal needs, but for campaigning against [/ quote]
            Bullshit. You do not have documents confirming this.
            Moreover, you are already behind the new training manual, which states that London gave the money, adjust the fake hack settings.
            [quote = voyaka uh] "Did the Germans give Lenin money?" ////
            And Lenin neatly wrote usage reports after receiving
            each serving.
            Another nonsense, there is no evidence in this regard in nature.
            [quote = voyaka uh] Lenin was the smartest man of incredible energy and charisma. [/ quote]
            Yes it's true.
            [quote = voyaka uh] At the same time, he was extremely cruel, and to achieve his goal he did not disdain by any means. He set up a social experiment on Russia. [/ Quote]
            This is nonsense. [Quote = voyaka uh] And, as you can see, after 100 years, disputes about his success or failure are still raging. [/ Quote]
            Rather, there is a wild hysteria of people who understand perfectly well that behind the idea that Lenin professed the future, and in it, there is no place for any Chubais and other yasins.
            As there is no place for the Naglosaxon robbery around the world, together with their satellites.
            This myth is almost a hundred years old. We are talking about a legend according to which the Bolsheviks in 1917 were German spies. Allegedly it was with German money that the October revolution was carried out. Like, this coup did not allow Russia to end the “victorious” World War I, and as a result, the Brest Peace had to be concluded - as Kaiser Germany wanted.

            Today, this myth has been convincingly refuted by all serious historians, including even those who openly dislike the Soviet regime. And the story of the “German espionage” of the Bolsheviks is in fact a kind of black PR, designed to discredit the Communists themselves and the entire October Revolution. So who is the author of this myth?
            A colleague in the workshop, Edgar Sisson, who also found himself in Russia after the victory of the February Revolution, Arthur Bullard in March of the eighteenth year in his memorandum "On German Gold" noted:

            “The accusation of the Bolsheviks and Lenin that they were on the“ content ”of Germany is not new. It appeared and disappeared in the form of rumors until October 1917. After the Bolsheviks came to power, “dubious in appearance and mysterious figures” began to literally besiege allied missions in Russia with offers to sell information about the “German track” ... ”
            http://www.posprikaz.ru/2013/11/kto-vydumal-mif-o
            -lenine-kak-nemeckom-shpione /
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 November 2016 21: 45
              +7
              "Nonsense. You have no documents confirming this" ////

              Money was transferred through Sweden. There are courier receipts in receipt,
              and receipts for the delivery of money, and reports on the use.
              It was not for nothing that Lenin fled to the Spill when some couriers were arrested.
              and split.
              I'm not going to convince you. You are a staunch Communist Stalinist.
              ("Hopeless" as the doctors say).
              1. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 22: 48
                +3
                [quote = voyaka uh] Money was transferred through Sweden. There are also couriers' receipts in receipt,
                and receipts for the delivery of money, and reports on the use. [/ quote]
                Another nonsense. Where is the documentary evidence? You have nothing.
                [quote = voyaka uh] "Nonsense. You do not have any documents confirming this" ////

                Money was transferred through Sweden. There are courier receipts in receipt,
                and receipts for the delivery of money, and reports on the use.
                It was not for nothing that Lenin fled to the Spill when some couriers were arrested.
                and split.

                Another nonsense, this is not the reason.
                [quote = voyaka uh] I'm not going to overpersuade you. You are a staunch communist Stalinist.
                ("Hopeless", as doctors say). [/ Quote]
                It is better to be a communist, a Stalinist, an imperial than a shifter, a liar, and the like, which has always been perceived in society as baseness and abomination.
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 5 November 2016 16: 35
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                I'm not going to convince you. You are a staunch communist-Stalinist (“Hopeless,” as the doctors say).

                good
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 18: 23
                  0
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: voyaka uh

                  Caught in a lie, praised the second fan of lies?

                  Well, where are the documents that say that your pearls have at least some basis?
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 5 November 2016 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Lenin was not a paid agent of the German General Staff in the usual sense, but he entered into a temporary tactical alliance with him to pull Russia out of the war.

            In addition to the dough from nemchura, Lenin also brought the German infection to Russia, many have not yet been cured, he brought the infection in the form of the "works" of Marx and Engels, he read a lot of German books!
            1. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 5 November 2016 17: 00
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              Lenin also brought the German infection to Russia, many have not yet been cured, he brought the infection in the form of the "works" of Marx and Engels, he read a lot of German books!


              And what did Gaidars, Grefs, Yavlinsky Yeltsins bring to the country? Sobchaks, Starovoitovs, Afanasyevs, Travkins,
              Gavril priests? Zaslavskaya?
              What have these figures noted in the history of the country as positive or a passion for destruction, theft and lies with drunk?
              What good are your Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, black? Kasparov, bulk?
              Well, at least someone you have, comparable in mind and intellectual power to Lenin?
              At least someone is comparable to managerial talent and steel will, like Stalin?
              What praise, gentlemen, ignoramuses and lied, is there at least something that can be compared?
              Strain your "most powerful" intellect before you answer ... otherwise how to lie to Lenin, your soles are burning, as you have to fly ahead of your own screeching ... but what about the assessment of modern-YOUR destroyers, so you from something immediately and irrevocably a wedge of thoughts and constipation of the brain ...
              1. zoolu300
                zoolu300 13 November 2016 05: 53
                +1
                Unfortunately, you hit the wrong place. For these individuals the political, military, scientific and economic power of the country is "on the drum", for them access to food, "democracy" (the power of the few), the opportunity to go where the "priest" is warmer, and so on.
                1. rjxtufh
                  rjxtufh 13 November 2016 06: 42
                  0
                  Quote: zoolu300
                  Because for these individuals the political, military, scientific and economic might of the country is "on the drum," for them access to food, "democracy" (the power of the few), the opportunity to go where the "priest" is warmer, and so on.

                  These are the normal human desires of a normal person in a normal society. To compete with the coolness of the "master" with a neighbor is pure feudalism. Those. ancient savagery.
                  And the diverse power of the country should be built around the state serving these needs of the population. Then the state will be harmonious and stable. But there are no great states with a poor and half-starved population. These are the foes from the past.
                  1. zoolu300
                    zoolu300 16 November 2016 13: 32
                    +1
                    Yes, everything is clear with you. A bigger trough and a warmer place for your ass, that's all your "philosophy", and the fact that the country is lowered below the plinth is on your side. Well, let's wait for another civil war and find out who is more: imperials or liberals.
                    1. rjxtufh
                      rjxtufh 16 November 2016 17: 59
                      0
                      Quote: zoolu300
                      The trough is bigger and the "ass place is warmer", that's all your "philosophy", and the fact that the country is lowered below the plinth to you side.

                      To you and other inhabitants of the Looking Glass, I will reveal one big (for you) secret. Place in the rating "Level of the plinth" is determined by the level of well-being of citizens. Those. the country where the level of well-being is lower is also lower in the rating of the "plinth level".
                      And by itself, the "plinth level" is the average world level of well-being of the world's population. Those countries in which the level of well-being of the population is higher than it, those above the "plinth level". And vice versa.
                      How many and what feudal lord has rockets, tanks and slingshots with spears does not matter. Those. all this bullshit.
                      I will add that the USSR was SIGNIFICANTLY below the "plinth level". Because was inhabited by a virtually impoverished population. Who simply had nothing for his soul. In the Russian Federation, the population has become richer than in the USSR, which means that it has risen relative to it in the rating of the "plinth level".
                      So, I hope, understand?
                      Quote: zoolu300
                      Well, wait for the next civil war and find out who more: the Imperials or the Liberals.

                      Do not be famously while it is quiet. And then your calculations may be erroneous.
                      1. Bloodsucker
                        Bloodsucker 16 November 2016 18: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: rjxtufh
                        I will add that the USSR was SIGNIFICANTLY below the "level of the plinth

                        Well, if the level below the baseboard is yours, then what are you broadcasting from under the baseboard?
                        We have other songs and other estimates of the time.

                        This is still Ruin, but she remembers, unlike you, that she was Ukraine as part of a powerful country-USSR.

                        And this is remembered. And you will forget to sing only the songs of all voiceless pop music and other rainbow-colored squealing clowns.
                        And we had and will be
                    2. murriou
                      murriou 18 November 2016 02: 04
                      0
                      Quote: zoolu300
                      find out who is more: imperials or liberals.

                      The number of liberals is only relevant for online voting, and even there they cannot do without falsity and cheating in their favor.

                      And in any real business they are the last, because work is not for them, it is "for bbIdl".

                      If it comes to a fight, they are even less capable of risking their precious carcass, any resolute group of people will crush them, regardless of quantity.
      3. avt
        avt 4 November 2016 09: 28
        +9
        Quote: Sharapov
        But in the article the author is "playing" with facts. It was the Bolsheviks who organized the agitation. company for the collapse of the tsarist army promising to give land (like, soldiers, rather home, otherwise you will not have enough), and then concluded the shameful Brest Peace.

        laughing Are you even friends with numbers? Well, you don't want to see the dates by means of digits? Well, where is the Brest Peace that existed for half a year and ended with Shchors' campaign, and where is order No. 1 on the Army and, most importantly, WHOM is signed. Seek and find, then you will rise from head to feet. Well, the famous for "destroyed the army", again, look and find it - before the 1917 Bolsheviks, those who did not jump off the cordon, almost all were caught and specifically caulked in Siberia. - advice, reluctance to learn? Are you afraid that knowledge will squeeze the brain? laughing
        1. Sharapov
          Sharapov 4 November 2016 13: 26
          +11
          Quote: avt
          The world of Brest existed for six months and ended with a trip by Schors,

          Have you finished your emotional report at a party conference? Let's move on to the facts.
          Yes, the Brest peace existed from March 3 to November 13, 1918 (9 months and 10 days).
          Results for Russia:
          The Privislin provinces, Ukraine, the provinces with the predominant Belarusian population, the Estland, Courland and Livonia provinces, and the Grand Duchy of Finland were torn away from Russia. Most of these territories were to become German protectorates or become part of Germany.
          In the Caucasus, Russia was inferior to the Kars region and the Batumi region.
          The Soviet government ended the war with the Ukrainian Central Rada of the UPR, pledged to recognize the independence of Ukraine in the person of the UPR government and made peace with it.
          The army and navy were demobilized.
          The Baltic fleet was withdrawn from its bases in Finland and the Baltic states.
          The Black Sea Fleet with all the infrastructure was transferred to the Central Powers.
          Russia paid 6 billion marks of reparations plus payment of losses incurred by Germany during the Russian revolution - 500 million gold rubles.
          The Soviet government committed itself to stop revolutionary propaganda in the Central Powers and allied states formed on the territory of the Russian Empire.
          In addition, in Berlin on August 27, 1918, when EZHU already understood that Germany was on the verge of defeat in the war, Russia, in the person of the Bolsheviks, again humbled itself - it signed an additional agreement to the Brest Peace. Under this agreement, Soviet Russia pledged to pay Germany, as compensation for damage and expenses for the maintenance of Russian prisoners of war, a huge indemnity of 6 billion marks (2,75 billion rubles) - including 1,5 billion gold (245,5 tons of pure gold) and loan commitments, 1 billion deliveries of goods. In September 1918, two "gold trains" were sent to Germany, in which there were 93,5 tons of "pure gold" worth more than 120 million gold rubles.
          And no longer need to look how the Bolsheviks paid with their patrons.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 55
            +7
            Great. And the story ended on this? Well, for example, what was the territory of the USSR in the 22nd year? in 1941? In the 1945th? Germany did not take Moscow, but the Soviet government of Berlin - yes.
            This is to say that usually cheaters from history grab separate facts from a series of historical facts, from the general course of history, and consider them in isolation from others, which are actually interconnected and begin to draw global conclusions on this.
            Typical scam.
            1. Sharapov
              Sharapov 4 November 2016 16: 28
              +7
              Quote: Ulan
              Great. And the story ended on this? Well, for example, what was the territory of the USSR in the 22nd year? in 1941? In the 1945th?

              Ulan writes in the style of "If only to blur something out." I recall the topic of the article under discussion: "Lenin and the Bolsheviks Saved Russian Civilization" - No more.

              In general, he said a masterpiece - about that "the Soviet GOVERNMENT took Berlin." I vividly introduced Beria, Stalin, Voroshilov, Kalinin and others storming the Reichstag. Yes, not the GOVERNMENT, but the multinational Soviet people, having gone through all the torments of the Second World War, displaying mass heroism, bleeding to death took Berlin.
              Typical scam.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 26
                +6
                I did not understand, but that the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with Russian civilization in the 22nd year? in the 41st? At 45 ?.
                Alas, it turns out that it’s out of tune, it’s you who blurted out, but this distortion --- "I vividly imagined Beria, Stalin, Voroshilov, Kalinin and others storming the Reichstag." ... in the style of your constant scam, just pathetic an attempt to hide your illiteracy.
                Oh dear, the Soviet government is part of the multinational Soviet people, if you are not in the know.
                And it did everything to take the Reichstag, therefore a full participant in this event.
                Behind the attempts of yanking, distorting and trying to show supposedly wit, there is a void and lack of knowledge.
                By the way, wit you have problems too.
                1. Sharapov
                  Sharapov 4 November 2016 20: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Alas, it turns out that it’s out of tune, it’s you who blurted out, but this distortion --- "I vividly presented Beria, Stalin, Voroshilov, Kalinin and others storming the Reichstag."

                  Oboralsya - wrap silently.
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 4 November 2016 21: 48
                    +5
                    Thank. Rudeness is the clearest proof that the opponent was blown away.
                    Congratulations. love
                    If you are not respected, you expect that I will answer the same, then this will not happen, although life experience is large and I can answer so that it doesn’t seem enough. I just won’t go down to your level.
                2. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks April 21 2017 07: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Ulan
                  I did not understand, but that the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with Russian civilization in the 22nd year? in the 41st? At 45 ?.

                  They didn’t have it, just like the Jews who took power in the Khazars by manipulations, scams, cunning, cruelty to the Khazarian civilization had nothing to do.
              2. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 18: 32
                +5
                Quote: Sharapov
                Yes, not the GOVERNMENT, but the multinational Soviet people, having gone through all the torments of the Second World War, having shown mass heroism, bleeding took Berlin.

                You are either illiterate or really acting as an info-cheater.
                Tell us with examples, WHERE, WHEN, WHEN, IN WHICH COUNTRY, did the people themselves win something reminiscent of a war win from a brown beast?
                Based on your fraudulent logic, the events now taking place, for example in RUIN, were made by the "people", it is no coincidence that I put it in quotation marks, because exactly how the people, if blamed for something, then that they kept silent, bowed their necks under the yoke of oligarchs striking force, Bandera nationalists ..
                The actions of the Russian Federation in Syria, so the people took it on their own and trampled into Syria with the VKS and the Navy is an example of your fraudulent logic.
                1. Sharapov
                  Sharapov 4 November 2016 20: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Based on your rogue logic,

                  Unlike you, I do not fantasize, but I point out to the one who has landed on him.
                  And your sore imagination will lead you far now, I believe in you, go for it.
                  Only this is a bad sign.
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 22: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Sharapov
                    unlike you, I’m not fantasizing, but I am pointing out that I’m getting on him.

                    However, it does, and very pretty, from you.
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 30
                      +2
                      "Panic" is too polite.
                  2. murriou
                    murriou 5 November 2016 16: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Sharapov
                    I am pointing out that he is getting on him.

                    Yes, Lenin and Stalin personally cheated you in your pants - since then, it seems normal for you to measure all by yourself laughing
              3. avt
                avt 4 November 2016 20: 04
                +4
                Quote: Sharapov
                Oh, and the multinational Soviet people, having gone through all the torments of the Second World War, having shown massive heroism, bleeding took Berlin.

                Well, this mucosanidzevsky chewing gum for fool unable to build a causal relationship, already tired of listening. So suddenly
                Quote: Sharapov
                multinational Soviet people

                thumped into the bell and went. Some began to be at war, then the generals went in a crowd to persuade them to lead, others to make weapons to the machine, without any leadership, and Stalin with the members of the All-Union Communist Party of the Beria detachments only strove to prevent .. After all, it’s typical - even the same founders of mlechenosvanidza do not repeat this vomit. Only here are especially gifted apologists.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 4 November 2016 21: 51
                  +2
                  Probably many of these ... are sure that Stalin personally at night derailed trains going to the front to derail in order to prevent the Soviet people from winning. lol
            2. rjxtufh
              rjxtufh 5 November 2016 00: 09
              +3
              Quote: Ulan
              Well, for example, what was the territory of the USSR in the 22nd year? in 1941? In the 1945th?

              And what was the territory of Russia in January 1918? BEFORE the Bolsheviks accomplished their armed coup (coup).
              Weak to answer? I will tell you, then Poland and Finland were part of Russia.
              1. murriou
                murriou 5 November 2016 16: 39
                0
                Quote: rjxtufh
                then Russia and Poland included Poland.

                Is it nothing that they declared their self-determination shortly after the February Revolution, and the Provisional Government is wiped out?
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 34
                  +2
                  Moreover, the "allies" of Russia in the Versailles agreements, without asking permission from Russia, cut these countries' borders at their own discretion.
                  Apparently just referring to the decisions of the Provisional Government, favorably reacted to the self-determination of these former parts of the Republic of Ingushetia.
                  1. rjxtufh
                    rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Ulan
                    Moreover, Russia's "allies" in the Versailles agreements, without asking permission from Russia

                    Is that Bolshevik? The one who surrendered to Germany?
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 03
                      +1
                      What is the difference, and where does the peace agreement (and not surrender) with Germany?
                      Learn the subject, the Versailles agreements were not made by Germany.
                      By the way, the Entente promised Poland and Finland self-determination even before the October Revolution.
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: Ulan
                        What difference does it make

                        How is it, "what's the difference"? Who recognized the power of the Bolsheviks before 1923-24? Legally, before that they were nobody. And their name was nothing.
                        Quote: Ulan
                        Learn the subject, the Versailles agreements were not made by Germany.

                        Well, well, what deeply secret things you know. Who would have thought.\
                        Quote: Ulan
                        By the way, the Entente promised Poland and Finland self-determination even before the October Revolution.

                        And when was this October revolution? And in which country?
                        And what about "promised", did you come up with this right now?
                        Quote: Ulan
                        and where does the peace agreement (and not surrender) with Germany?

                        You are again confusing concepts. Surrender is unconditional. but it happens on certain, agreed in advance, conditions. This is the case with the Peace of Brest.
                2. rjxtufh
                  rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: murriou
                  and the Provisional Government is wiped out?

                  At least study the initial course of history. They received independence only in December 1917. From the hands of the Bolsheviks. Everyone had already forgotten about the Provisional Government.
          2. avt
            avt 4 November 2016 16: 31
            +6
            Quote: Sharapov
            Have you finished your emotional report at a party conference? Let's move on to the facts.
            Yes, the Brest peace existed from March 3 to November 13, 1918 (9 months and 10 days).

            Now go and check who and when, in what year, Niki # 2 pressed on the train at the Dno station and who belonged to which party belonged to those who knocked the letter out of it and went to the brother-in-law, terrified that he wouldn’t go to the regent , then sit and think what a fright and where Niki No. 2, and where the Brest peace after all that was in between. Restore the causal relationship, then we'll talk
            Quote: Sharapov
            at a party conference
          3. Rastas
            Rastas 4 November 2016 19: 25
            +2
            You know, Sharapov, in Germany in the 20s and 30s, the myth of "stab in the back" was also actively promoted. Like, Germany would not only not have lost, but on the contrary would have defeated everyone, if not for the damned Jews and socialists who overthrew the Kaiser. Hitler successfully earned himself points on this myth. Then, tell me, why did the Germans bribe Lenin? Wilhelm and his associates were hidden communists and wanted socialism? It seems not. It would have been easier and more reliable to work with someone from the royal family and arrange a classic palace coup, since the Romanovs had enough Germanophiles. In those years, everyone was suspected in general - Sukhomlinov, Myasoedov, even the Empress, but in another way, she is German. At the same time, they began to look for compromising evidence on Lenin after the July events of the 17th, they searched hard, but nothing happened. Then, if you are an agent, then why would you openly travel through Europe to Russia, like Lenin. some kind of non-professional agent.
            1. ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH
              ALEXEY VLADIMIROVICH 5 November 2016 13: 47
              +3
              V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin himself did not deny that in 1917 he officially traveled by train through Germany, at war with Russia, along with a crowd of socialists. This somehow hints ....
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 49
          +4
          At the same time, let him see who issued the decree on the soldiers' liberties.
      4. EvgNik
        EvgNik 4 November 2016 09: 44
        +10
        Quote: Sharapov
        Being essentially a "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise.

        A Maidan EBN should sing (which is done). Or is everything good from the West good and wonderful for you?
      5. bandabas
        bandabas 4 November 2016 09: 45
        +7
        Well, in general, anything was mixed in Nikolai’s blood, only practically nothing remained of the Romanovs.
      6. Gardamir
        Gardamir 4 November 2016 10: 01
        +15
        It is also strange that a handful of Jews, Georgians and Balts took on German money to save Russian civilization.
        Tell us about the "noble" Kolchak, what did he save and for whose money?
        Everyone can try to defraud the Romanovs - after all, they will not answer, and they will not be sued.
        Well, how did they (the Romanovs) even award orders of Poklonskaya. But the Soviet government can be poured mud.
        tales about free labor and imaginary benefits for the people
        I lived in those fabulous times. But what have you and your kind done to the country?
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 4 November 2016 10: 22
          +5
          Quote: Gardamir
          Tell us about the "noble" Kolchak, what did he save and for whose money?

          From wiki
          The supreme ruler of Russia, Admiral A.V. Kolchak, who transferred the supreme power to his deputy general A.I. Denikin on January 4, 1920 and was actually under the unspoken arrest of the Czechoslovak command, was brought to Irkutsk and on January 15, with the sanction of the French general Janen, was extradited by Czechoslovak representatives to the Socialist Revolutionaries -Menshevik "Political Center" [1] [2] and placed in a provincial prison.
          21 January "Political Center" transferred power in Irkutsk, and with it the arrested admiral, to the Bolshevik Irkutsk Military Revolutionary Committee.

          Well, real friends!
          1. MrK
            MrK 4 November 2016 11: 24
            +8
            Quote: EvgNik
            21 January "Political Center" transferred power in Irkutsk, and with it the arrested admiral, to the Bolshevik Irkutsk Military Revolutionary Committee.

            I agree. It’s also interesting that the General Prosecutor’s Office and the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation refused to rehabilitate the criminal Kolchak back in 2007
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 4 November 2016 11: 33
              +2
              Quote: mrark
              refused rehabilitation back in 2007

              And they erected a monument.
              1. MrK
                MrK 4 November 2016 20: 02
                +3
                Quote: EvgNik
                And they erected a monument.

                And they erected a monument to the criminal.
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 14: 59
          +13
          There is no need to pamper the Romanovs; they themselves did it perfectly. The fact that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief essentially defected during the war was a crime for which a tribunal was appointed.
          As one of the witnesses of the abdication said - he denied how the squadron surrendered ...
          Paul the First preferred death to shame of renunciation. Here he is a worthy emperor and man. Man of honor. Paul deserves the title of saint, and not Nicholas who surrendered all and all.
          1. murriou
            murriou 5 November 2016 16: 54
            +4
            Still nikolashka should not have been shot - too much honor to the parasite! - and hang on an aspen, for the shamefully blown away by his country RYAF, for his phrase "let people earn" in response to reports about 1000 +% of the profits of military factory workers on military orders during WWI and their obvious sabotage in order to increase prices.
      7. Uncle Murzik
        Uncle Murzik 4 November 2016 10: 42
        +14
        You my friend Sharapov look at the chronology by time The February revolution was a typical "Maidan", "orange revolution" and after it the country began to slowly fall apart. Who was in the Provisional Government? Liberals, socialists of all stripes. There can be no talk of any "fine-minded intellectuals", they were hard-core politicians. Guchkov saw himself as at least the president of the country.
        But to rekindle discontent, to throw off the government, is one thing, and to rule a country successfully is another. Look at Saakashvili.
        And in October 17, it was not the Bolsheviks who seized power, it was the "democrats and liberals" who were in power who lost the last threads of control over the situation and power passed to the Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies. To the Soviet, and not to the Bolsheviks alone. This further showed that the Bolsheviks, in contrast to the liberals, can rule the country.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas 4 November 2016 19: 31
          +2
          No, the February revolution was a normal, right revolution. But she didn’t go there. How it all happened - The Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies handed over power to the State. Duma, but she did not know what to do, for she was used to scratching her tongue only. Even the Bolsheviks were not initially against the cap. development of Russia as a republican bourgeois country, because they believed that there were no conditions for socialism in an agrarian country. Only here, Russian capitalism, unlike rebellious European capitalism, was firmly soldered to the authorities and scared of what had happened. The Provisional Government began throwing, backstage fights, they wanted to do everything to turn everything back, as before. As a result, the Bolsheviks had to take power.
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 4 November 2016 22: 05
            +2
            Quote: Rastas
            How it all happened - The Soviets of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies handed over power to the State. Duma, but she did not know what to do, for she was used to scratching her tongue only.

            And where did they get it? These 2 organizations did not exist in one place and at the same time.
            If you call the Constituent Assembly the "State Duma", then the Bolsheviks simply dispersed it, having carried out a coup d'etat (putsch). At the beginning of January 1918.
            Quote: Rastas
            The Provisional Government began throwing, backstage fights, they wanted to do everything to turn everything back, as before. As a result, the Bolsheviks had to take power.

            No, well, the stump is clear. Such things always happen "compelled". Like, "there was no other way out how to seize power."
            Quote: Rastas
            Even the Bolsheviks were not initially against the cap. development of Russia as a republican bourgeois country, because they believed that there were no conditions for socialism in an agrarian country.

            This was claimed by the Bolshevik-Leninists (on this site they are called Trotskyists). And since 1921. up to 1927 in the USSR formally built state. capitalism (called the NEP).
            However, in December 1927. a group of Bolsheviks completed a creeping reactionary coup, after which the construction of capitalism in the USSR was finished and the country returned to feudalism. The Bolsheviks who carried out this reactionary revolution called this feudalism the term "socialism". The ideological substantiation of this form of feudalism was indeed original. But TPO was typically feudal.
            Further, in 1937. from this group of Bolsheviks a group of absolutely "correct Bolsheviks" emerged. Which pochikalsya "wrong Bolsheviks". Moreover, both those who were wrong back in 1927, and some of those who in 1927. was correct. This process ended in 1940. the establishment in the USSR of slave-holding TPO. In the language of the "correct Bolsheviks" it was called "the expansion and deepening of socialism."
            Slave-farming TPO in the USSR was abolished (a feudal revolution took place) only in 1956, but not by the Bolsheviks, but by the communists. Further, they called their kind of feudalism "developed socialism".
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 38
              +2
              It was the Bolsheviks who did what the monarchy failed to do — industrialization, and this is one of the signs of capitalism, a highly developed industry.
              And only after that the Bolsheviks began to build socialism.
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 31
                0
                Quote: Ulan
                Just the Bolsheviks did what the monarchy failed - industrialization

                Done. Since 1943 And so what?
                Quote: Ulan
                and this is one of the signs of capitalism, a highly developed industry.

                You just make me laugh. Learn the political economy at your leisure. You need.
                Quote: Ulan
                And only after that the Bolsheviks began to build socialism.

                Actually, Yoshi announced the construction of "socialism" back in 1936. And he undertook to build "socialism" in 1927. At the same time, REAL industrialization in the USSR began in 1943.
                Something you have with the sequence of events is not right. Don't you find?
                1. the lord
                  the lord 5 November 2016 23: 21
                  +3
                  Are you raving there? In 1943, the war was in full swing. There was only the industrialization of the Siberian-Ural region, the current due to the western regions of the USSR, where the enemy was already. But industrialization was established in 1936 by the statement of Stalin on the construction of socialism.
                  Trim your pharmacy with specialty drugs - it affects your thinking
                  1. rjxtufh
                    rjxtufh 6 November 2016 11: 26
                    0
                    Quote: znavel
                    Are you raving there?

                    I do not have such habits.
                    Quote: znavel
                    In 1943, the war was in full swing.

                    I know.
                    Quote: znavel
                    There was only the industrialization of the Siberian-Ural region

                    And I am aware of this. The industrialization of the western regions took place after the war. On a trophy production base and trophy technologies.
                    Before the war, no industrialization took place in the USSR and did not happen. Although there was talk of this.
                    Quote: znavel
                    But industrialization was established in 1936 by the statement of Stalin on the construction of socialism.

                    Industrialization cannot be established. This is not a pillar. And not a steady cycle.
                    And as a "statement", and even more so.
                    Quote: znavel
                    she affects thinking

                    I even have it.
                    1. Ulan
                      Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 07
                      +1
                      .... "Before the war, no industrialization in the USSR took place and did not happen."
                      --------------------------------
                      This is where such nonsense is taught? You would first study the subject before writing something.
                      Stalin announced the construction of socialism "in the main."
                      Unlike you, he perfectly understood that in 10 years it was impossible to fully build socialism and many more tasks needed to be solved.
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Ulan
                        You would first study the subject before writing something.

                        I studied. Therefore, I write.
                        Industrialization of the early 30s existed only in the tales of the Bolsheviks.
                        Quote: Ulan
                        Stalin announced the construction of socialism "in the main."

                        This is yes. The next, 1937. he began to deepen this "socialism". Those. made another reactionary coup. As a result, a pseudo-religious dictatorship of the absolutist type was established based on slave-holding TPO. This shnyaga existed in the USSR until 1956, when Khrushchev made a feudal revolution in the USSR. Further, he also tried to abandon pseudo-religious dogmas. But the reaction then won once again, and Khrushchev was dismissed.
                        Quote: Ulan
                        in 10 years it is impossible to completely build socialism

                        God save us from this kind of "socialism" in the future. People deserve a different, happy and free life.
            2. zoolu300
              zoolu300 13 November 2016 06: 05
              +1
              What signs indicate the existence of a slave and feudal formation in the USSR?
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 13 November 2016 06: 46
                0
                Quote: zoolu300
                What signs indicate the existence of a slave and feudal formation in the USSR?

                Yes, that's all.
                Starting from the form of ownership, and ending with the usual serfdom, enshrined in law.
                1. zoolu300
                  zoolu300 16 November 2016 13: 25
                  +1
                  In slave and feudal society there was private property, but not in Soviet. Who personally belonged and what were the peasants of the USSR attached to?
                  1. rjxtufh
                    rjxtufh 16 November 2016 18: 12
                    0
                    Quote: zoolu300
                    In slave and feudal society was private property

                    Private property is an element of an EXCLUSIVELY bourgeois society. In all other formations, the property was PERSONAL. This is a slightly different category. She was in the USSR.
                    Quote: zoolu300
                    Who personally belonged and what were the peasants of the USSR attached to?

                    They are attached, and the workers too, from 1940 to 1956. were to the "farm". Managed by managers (directors, chairmen, etc.). Without the permission of the managers, on pain of criminal liability (by the way, from 5 to 8 years in the zone for 8 years out of 16), they could not leave their jobs. This is slavery in its purest form. And it's stupid to deny it.
                    They belonged to the slave owner, who is known by many names. The most common are "State" and "Party". But in fact, a certain Dzhugashvili was hiding under this guise.
                    Later, after Khrushchev's feudal revolution, slavery was abolished and the country switched to a feudal economic system. The feudal lord, unlike the slave owner, was greatly impersonal. And basically it existed in the form of "State" and "Party".
                    Serfs for this feudal lord were OBLIGED to work. But already without slavish attachment to the "economy" (ie, without enslavement). And those who did not want to work were again expected by the Criminal Code. But this time under the article "Parasitism".
                    It remains only to add that this feudal lord of serfs robbed mercilessly. And behind their souls, as a rule, they had nothing but a crystal vase and a woolen carpet on the wall. Yes, and he fed them no matter. That is why they lived a little and died early. In other words, unhappy people.
                    1. Bloodsucker
                      Bloodsucker 16 November 2016 18: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: rjxtufh
                      robbed this feudal lord

                      Illiterate .. as you are already tired of your hallucinations .. no matter what the topic, all around "shine2 with absolute illiteracy


                      And what are you talking about here, Khrushchev’s kind
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 16 November 2016 23: 34
                        +1
                        He again pinned up a blood drinker and traditionally lousy topic.
      8. rvRomanoff
        rvRomanoff 4 November 2016 10: 54
        +2
        It turns out that San Sanych Zinoviev was a storyteller when he wrote about those times? I will not quote him, because he wrote a lot, there is not enough space. But you read, maybe you'll find something new for yourself.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 02
          +5
          Quote, we have nowhere to rush. Maybe this is- "were tagged for communism, but ended up in Russia"?
          And now you continue to rush into communism, have not yet finished off Russia.?
        2. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 16: 18
          +6
          Quote: rvRomanoff
          It turns out that San Sanych Zinoviev was a storyteller when he wrote about those times?

          A. Zinoviev wrote a lot of things, only here the responsibility for writing is different, Zinoviev realized that he had done with his early writings, but Solzhenitsyn-NO.
        3. Rastas
          Rastas 4 November 2016 19: 58
          +2
          I got home late. I could not sleep. I thought about my life. Criticism recalled. When asked what time and place of life he would choose, if it were suddenly possible to repeat life, he answered: Russia of the Soviet period. And you, I asked myself, how would you answer this question? Same. I would answer without any hesitation, absolutely sincerely, without any back thought. And not by virtue of habit and some kind of ideological deception - I am a fairly educated person, I have an idea of ​​how people live on the planet, I was not ideologically deceived - but because of the free choice of a spiritually free person. I am happy that I was born in Soviet times in Russia, into this accidental exception in human history, during a realized social utopia. I am happy that I lived the best part of my life at this time. I am happy that I was able to appreciate my luck in life when I saw the death of utopia. Amen!
          A. Zinoviev "Russian Tragedy" (2002)
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 22: 55
            +5
            Quote: Rastas
            I could not sleep. I thought about my life.

            There is a law of adequacy: people who come to power in various institutions are adequate to the situation. If you want a brilliant person to lead the country, the social system itself must be folded so that his genius has the opportunity to work. As a result of the 1917 revolution, at first, genius really came to power. Lenin and Stalin are outstanding figures, the XNUMXth century is the century of Lenin and Stalin. These are the two most brilliant political and social figures in this era.
            Such a historical coincidence is very rare.
            Zinoviev 2012
            http://comradetribunal.livejournal.com/170389.htm
            l
            The Cold War was waged against us in exactly the same way by the whole West. Since 1917, the main task of the entire Western world has been the destruction of the communist tendency. And they did their job very patiently. Plans were drawn up for decades to come, they met them very meticulously, this work continues now.

            The Cold War has grown into a "warm" war, and now globalization is underway - this is a world war of a new type, which is described in my works in some detail.


            Zinoviev: ... As for specific events: I said without jokes that Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and Yakovlev had to be hung at twenty-four hours. They would hang, and we would now live under the Soviet system. This I absolutely say.

            Ibid.
      9. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 13: 38
        +11
        Quote: Sharapov
        But in the article the author is "playing" with facts. It was the Bolsheviks who organized the agitation. company for the collapse of the tsarist army promising to give land (like, soldiers, rather home, otherwise you will not have enough), and then concluded the shameful Brest Peace.

        You are not a smart person, Sharapov, who called you that, read Denikin who is to blame for the collapse of the Army.
        They are absolutely illiterate with regard to the Brest Peace, for you don’t just understand why they were forced to accept it, but why it was canceled only six months later, and then the reason for the existence of the so-called UPR in Ukraine disappeared due to its cancellation.
        Quote: Sharapov
        Being essentially a "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise. After the putsch and the civil war - the complete collapse of the economy and the army, the restoration of which the Russian people were engaged in until 1941. And leave the tales about free labor and imaginary benefits for the people to Zyuganov.

        What nonsense ... tell us a fairy tale about the great achievements in Ingushetia, in terms of auto and tractor construction, successes in aviation and shipbuilding, chemistry, glass making, optical production, electrical and hydraulic assembly of units, in general tell us without concealment how "violently" RI, under French, British and other loans.
        At the same time, remind me, why so with 91, 120000 enterprises were plundered, destroyed and taken out for scrap, Zyuganov has something to say, who is guilty, what fairy tales will be born to you?
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 06
          +11
          Many do not know that a significant part of the enterprises, if not the majority, in the Republic of Ingushetia belonged to foreign capital, which derived profits from Russia.
          An ordinary person in the Republic of Ingushetia from this supposedly rapid development of industry in Russia did not get ANYTHING.
          In fact, Russia was simply robbed.
      10. parusnik
        parusnik 4 November 2016 14: 18
        +12
        As a matter of fact "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise
        .
        ..And February 1917 is to be sung ..?
        After the putsch and civil war - the complete collapse of the economy and the army, the restoration of which was engaged in by the Russian people until 1941
        ..There, as I understand it, they did without the Bolsheviks .. the Bolsheviks and Hitler came ..
        that a handful of Jews, Georgians and Balts undertook to save Russian civilization with German money.
        ..That you are so about the Menshevik Chkheidze, Social Revolutionary Martov..the leaders of the Petrosoviet after the February Revolution ...
      11. the lord
        the lord 4 November 2016 20: 30
        +6
        And the fact that Russia was baptized by Greeks and Bulgarians, doesn’t you object?
        Is Lenin a "Maidan"? I thought such comparisons would not even arise in any adequate person. So any rebel in the past can be ranked as maydanutye. The same D. Washington with A. Lincoln. Toka somehow even the thought does not turn over in this direction. But the Bolsheviks saved the Rossiyushka, a fact. For example, before them, our sufferer as a German slut from an adult video was - what kind of foreign special service didn’t turn her on (the death of General Samsonov’s army alone is worth something). And the Bolsheviks came, banged one of the favorites of this play, Colonel Redley, and everything was over.
        Lenin and his comrades made a powerful evolutionary leap for our country — into industrial countries. And they rebuilt the country after the wars, not until the 41st year, but until the 32nd year, and then development went on. And in the 41st Deutsch, who crossed the Bug, met with the people's army crammed with specialists of various professions and qualifications, who are also masters of sports, with TRP badges, specialists in skydiving, radio communications, etc., etc.
        We will always and at all times glorify Lenin and his party — their merit is greater than your grating on them by orders of magnitude. Though kill yourself)))
      12. Lord blacwood
        Lord blacwood 4 November 2016 20: 36
        +5
        Quote: Sharapov
        But in the article the author is "playing" with facts. It was the Bolsheviks who organized the agitation. a company for the collapse of the tsarist army promising to give land (like, soldiers, rather home, otherwise you will not have enough)

        Who told you that? The Bolsheviks did not destroy the tsarist army, as the army was destroyed by the "Februaryists". On the contrary, the Bolsheviks helped to strengthen the army.
        Quote: Sharapov
        and then they made the shameful Brest peace.

        The Brest peace was concluded because:
        1) The army was unable to wage war because of the unrest (they were not organized by the Bolsheviks) in the country.
        2) Due to a series of defeats during which the Germans took control of part of our territories.
        Quote: Sharapov
        Being essentially a "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise.

        The Bolsheviks cannot be the "Maidan" of the past, since they did not overthrow the emperor. Lenin generally learned about the revolution while abroad. And the "Maidan" of the past were the organizers of the February Revolution, since even their composition was similar to the composition of the Euromaidan representatives (bankers, merchants, and the entire so-called "elite").
      13. A.Lex
        A.Lex 5 November 2016 15: 20
        +2
        Mmmm, can you tell me who was at the head of this people "... until 1941 ..."? Isn't that the mustachioed Georgian? AND? Or was the people on their own?
    3. Dim Bes
      Dim Bes 4 November 2016 11: 17
      +8
      She's hardly that stupid. People in such positions never make such blunders just like that, and they never do anything for nothing. What is the gesheft for her from such an opus - there are too many options. WHY does it do it - it tries to become a new elite, rubbing and trampling everything old into "substance" along the way. Roughly like today's holiday of forgetting one's own history.
      1. poglydim
        poglydim 4 November 2016 18: 34
        0
        But who without a gesheft in their right mind, would such a sign the State Duma deputy, PR with .... request
    4. larand
      larand 4 November 2016 13: 35
      +18
      Quote: Vladimir Matveev
      not expected. that she is so stupid

      The girl has ukropovskoy anti-Soviet education - this time. Although the Russian Federation in this sense is very close.
      A century of VOSR is approaching and a command has been given to ruin everything Soviet - these are two.
      The country is ruled by the bourgeoisie, with whom the Soviet period a bone in the throat is three.
      So there will still be a lot of slops.
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 09
        +8
        As they say - not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. The amount of d..ma in the USSR and VOSR, as it approaches the centenary of this event that changed the world, will increase many times, including from the highest power stands.
        There is no need to be a soothsayer. If the supreme power approves and encourages this, then diligent performers who are ready to break their foreheads will always be found.
    5. ava09
      ava09 4 November 2016 21: 04
      0
      She is far from stupid, but she’ll crawl into any hole without soap. In addition, the White Guard counter ... Although I myself do not like the commies, I know them too well ... The Bolsheviks are another matter ...)
      1. Passer
        Passer 4 November 2016 22: 35
        +7
        I read today's Wed ... sorry, discussion.
        Suppose the lady is a prosecutor (already a deputy), some of her admirers and other "aristocrats" are right.
        Question one: when are we going to demolish the monuments?
        The second question (organizational): to put a saucepan on your head, will they give it out on the spot?
        Question three: who will we install on the pedestals that are vacated? Nicholas II and associates, gentlemen of the White Guard officers, or other fighters with the Soviets?

        PS Nyasha - well done, outlined the vector of National Unity Day.
        It seems to me, gentlemen - the deputies think that the lackeys have missed the strong hand of the master. And many commentators sing along to them, probably in a past life (or in fantasies, possibly erotic ones), they were all solid princes and counts.
    6. murriou
      murriou 5 November 2016 13: 52
      +1
      Is this a fanboy? I suspect that the point is not in her personal stupidity - but in that. that it was for this reason that she was first pulled out to a high post, and then to the Duma, so as not to fight corruption at all — as the title, post and position require — and to carry such rubbish from the Duma rostrum.
    7. A.Lex
      A.Lex 5 November 2016 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Matveev
      not expected. that she is so stupid

      What did you want from Ukrainian education? Everything is turned inside out there, including history. with logic at all
  2. Hunt
    Hunt 4 November 2016 06: 16
    +10
    Our Nyasha is certainly a heroic woman, but with Nicholas 2, she’s clearly bending the stick! What did he surrender to her? Very often they see Poklonskaya in Yekaterinburg, at the site of the murder of the royal family in the Ipatiev House and the place of the first burial in the Ganina pit.
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2016 06: 29
      +7
      Quote: Hunter
      Very often they see Poklonskaya in Yekaterinburg, at the site of the murder of the royal family in the Ipatiev House

      belay belay belay wow ... how does it get there? Yes, she is a MAGIC ...
      1. Hunt
        Hunt 4 November 2016 06: 36
        0
        I meant the Temple, on the site of the Ipatiev House and the Temple in the Ganina Pit.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 4 November 2016 07: 12
      +17
      Quote: Hunter
      Our Nyasha is certainly a heroic woman, but with Nicholas 2, she’s clearly bending the stick! What did he surrender to her?

      Alexey Alexandrovich, every person has their own cockroaches in their heads. And here you can feel complete ignorance of history. "So he read the necessary books in childhood" - Vysotsky. She read the wrong people, and they taught her the wrong way. One can only regret it.
      1. My address
        My address 4 November 2016 07: 53
        +26
        Evgeny Nikolaevich hi !
        About ten - fifteen years ago I read information similar to this article about the collapse / devastation in tsarist Russia. About the Bolsheviks who "took over" the crumbling country. About the "glorious" intelligentsia, which contributed to the collapse, and responded to the proposals of the Bolsheviks to work with a contemptuous "fi". About the Red Terror, which was a belated response to the White Terror.
        And now, for the tenth time, I will repeat that teacher Martynenko told us all this in lectures on the history of the party at the Ural Polytechnic Institute, and in 60-s! Martynenko told us that the Bolsheviks, who in 1917 were from the power of 30 - 40 thousands, saved the country, made it the second power. And all contrary to external threats and internal intellectuals. And Poklonskaya ordinary intellectuals. Sorry, but I am prejudiced against modern humanities. In the bulk they are useless talkers, among them there are many liberals, and just enemies of the country.
        "Even the most refined physical or moral virtues cannot atone for the social sin - participation in consumption without participation in production." George Bernard Shaw.
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 4 November 2016 09: 50
          +6
          Quote: My address
          I am biased towards modern humanities. In the bulk they are worthless talkers, among them there are many liberals, and simply enemies of the country.

          Alexander, I agree with you. But exactly what is in the bulk. But there are also quite decent, intelligent, understanding the essence of what happened and what is happening.
        2. MrK
          MrK 4 November 2016 11: 28
          +10
          Quote: My address
          Poklonnaya ordinary intellectual.

          I agree. In my opinion, Yu. Mukhin said: Of course, “degenerate” - it sounds rude, where the “intellectual” sounds much more elegant.
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 11
        +1
        They have already correctly noticed that she is a product of upbringing and education in "independent" Ukraine.
    3. avt
      avt 4 November 2016 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: Hunter
      at the site of the murder of the royal family in the Ipatiev House

      Well, if you take into account the fact that being, I do not remember what secretary of the CPSU in Sverdlovsk, Yeltsin demolished this very house, with a "basement", which seemed to be not there, but was quite a basement floor, well, the maximum was drawn to the name - semi-basement. THEN, yes
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, she is a MAGIC ...

      Straight time traveler. bully
  3. Cartalon
    Cartalon 4 November 2016 06: 20
    +14
    Gangs of traitors and murderers, for the most part, Jews who hated Russia, saved Russian civilization by destroying it, cool.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 November 2016 09: 10
      +12
      06.20. Cardboard! Whom did the Bolsheviks betray and kill?
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 4 November 2016 09: 53
        +11
        Regi, hi. He will not answer, because he does not know. But the fact that they were killing everyone in a row was already injected into his head.
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 4 November 2016 11: 28
          +3
          They betrayed their country to the defeat of which they worked, and 600 thousand only officially executed for you is certainly not a figure.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 4 November 2016 11: 38
            +12
            Quote: Cartalon
            They betrayed their country to the defeat of which they worked.

            Before that, they were supposed to have won the Great Patriotic War. And no one counted how many people died and died after the Yeltsin coup. Perhaps more will be.
            1. Bloodsucker
              Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 42
              +11
              General demographic losses of Russia since 1991 to 2010 amounted to about 32 million people. Let us prove it.
              Population decline under Yeltsin (excess of mortality over fertility) = 5767922 people
              The migration increase under Yeltsin is 4266033 people (only official migrants). Bringing the value of this increase here is necessary, so that it would be clear why the population of the Russian Federation has not decreased much.
              The population loss after Yeltsin’s departure and the consequences of the economic genocide unleashed by him, especially from the consequences of default (excess of mortality over birth rate) amounted to 7372918 people (including 2010)
              Migration growth under Putin-Medvedev 1623171 people (only official migrants
              http://red-army-1917.livejournal.com/23076.html
              According to the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, Army General N.I. Rodionova: “The listed and other acts of liberal democrats are subject to capital punishment. Moreover, in accordance with the UN Convention, such acts fall into the category of international crimes. The transformation of Russia into a raw material base of the West, the robbery of the indigenous population, the creation of conditions for the extinction of the peoples of Russia is a crime against man, and depriving the people of inalienable means of livelihood is genocide, with all the ensuing consequences for the perpetrators of this crime, which rightfully deserved to be committed over them the Moscow process, similar to the Nuremberg ".

              Source: http://www.chitalnya.ru/work/1199502/
              1. EvgNik
                EvgNik 4 November 2016 15: 23
                +6
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                General demographic losses of Russia since 1991 to 2010 amounted to about 32 million people.

                In addition to the above, I found a schedule, though not to this day, but the trend is being traced:


                The increase in clinics in our time, let it not be deceiving, these are paid clinics.
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 20
            +12
            When executed, in what period, on what basis? Terrorist Savenkov also executed innocently.?
            Interestingly, the legendary border guard Nikita Karatsup, only he alone detained more than 400 border violators. and most detentions in clashes. Is it that all were lost mushroom pickers? And I never read how many one of the ROVS saboteurs and spies sent to the territory of the USSR?
            And that the Western countries after the creation of the USSR suddenly abruptly loved our country and stopped shitting?
            Or maybe killers, robbers, rapists, instantly reforged and became respectable citizens?
            Do you know that the notorious 58th article contains not only political crimes?
            The subject must be known to a young man so as not to fall into a stupid position.
            1. rjxtufh
              rjxtufh 4 November 2016 23: 57
              +3
              Quote: Ulan
              Terrorist Savenkov also executed innocently.?

              Nifiga himself a "terrorist". The man won the elections to the Constituent Assembly and was going to become the legally elected and legitimate head of Russia. Here the Bolsheviks, led by Ulyanov, nicknamed Lenin, stuck in, staged an armed coup (putsch) and kicked him in the ass. At the same time, Savenkov's struggle for their LEGAL rights was declared terrorism by them.
              And now you are relaying all this nonsense.
              Quote: Ulan
              Interestingly, the legendary border guard Nikita Karatsup, only he alone detained more than 400 border violators. and most detentions in clashes.

              And you do not mind that the overwhelming majority of these "violators" tried to "make legs" from the USSR. From "a wonderful country of workers and peasants." Departure from which was for some reason prohibited. And for an illegal attempt they were given from 10 years before the execution. Apparently, so that all the slaves do not run away.
              And this "border guard", detaining these unfortunates, transferred them from the usual semi-camp detention (as they lived in the USSR in those years), to a strict camp regime.
              Quote: Ulan
              And I never read how many one of the ROVS saboteurs and spies sent to the territory of the USSR?

              What's this. In 1937-38, spies in the country turned out to be visibly invisible. Moreover, they somehow went in a jamb. Before that, somehow it wasn’t. And after, somehow everything was transferred.
              Apparently the same story was with the "saboteurs and spies of the ROVS".
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 5 November 2016 18: 50
                +1
                The first thing is that terrorists win elections to some bodies, this is not news, this does not stop being terrorists, and the fact that Savinkov carried out terror on the territory of the USSR is a fact and the Constituent Assembly has nothing to do with it.
                Nobody dispersed your founding, after the deputies of the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries left it, the assembly lost the quorum and, therefore, all its decisions had no legal force.
                It is unclear why this guard was supposed to not sleep and not eat due to the fact that the deputies did not want to disperse.
                Nobody prevented them from gathering the next day in another room, but only at their own expense and chatting as much as they like.
                However, they did not gather, but went home.
                Nobody shot them and pushed them with rifle butts.
                And figs such a meeting, which willlessly and voluntarily dissolve itself, as soon as the freebies were deprived.
                Just the majority broke through with weapons to the territory of the USSR, there was no need to distort, in the twenties, and in the early thirties one could leave the country quietly, there was no need to break through the border with a fight.
                And the last - "apparently" proof cannot be.
                1. rjxtufh
                  rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Ulan
                  The first is that terrorists win the election

                  And why did you decide that the Socialist Revolutionaries are terrorists? Who told you this? The Bolsheviks?
                  Clear. You decided to make everyone laugh.
                  Quote: Ulan
                  but the fact that Savinkov carried out terror in the USSR is a fact

                  When and how? By the way, what do you know about the "Red Terror"?
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Nobody dispersed your founding, after the deputies of the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries left it, the assembly lost the quorum and, therefore, all its decisions had no legal force.

                  Well yes. Only now some of the deputies were arrested by the Bolsheviks. And some of the derutats died "at the hands of malefactors."
                  Moreover, the absence of a quorum is not at all a reason to carry out an armed seizure of power.
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Nobody shot them and pushed them with rifle butts.

                  Take an interest in at least the basics of history.
                  Quote: Ulan
                  in the twenties, and even the beginning of the thirties, it was possible to leave the country calmly, there was no need to break through the border with a fight.

                  It’s not right with your story.
                  1. the lord
                    the lord 5 November 2016 23: 28
                    +1
                    Those. the loss of the quorum of the founding assembly in the conditions of a belligerent country (troops are at the fronts, and not at their permanent locations) is not a reason to close this shop so as not to lose control over the country's leadership? I think you also think that when all sorts of hoppers and mmm began to fall apart, people should have quietly and in order of priority approached only at their interest, not demanding the return of their deposits - the deadline for their payments had not yet come ...
                    1. rjxtufh
                      rjxtufh 6 November 2016 11: 33
                      0
                      Quote: znavel
                      Those. loss of a quorum for a foundation in a belligerent country

                      But the fronts, before the appointment by the Constituent Assembly of new bodies of power, should have been dealt with by the Provisional Government. But at the end of 1917. the Bolsheviks pushed him over and took his place. Tell you how they "dealt with the fronts"?
                      Quote: znavel
                      there is no reason to close this shop,

                      No, of course. The absence of a quorum required to understand why it was not there. And, if necessary, hold by-elections. Here is the procedure was legal.
                      Quote: znavel
                      so as not to lose control of the country's governance?

                      The Constituent Assembly could NOT lose control of the country simply because it had not yet established this control over it. Only the Bolsheviks could lose control of the country, and just in favor of the Constituent Assembly. Therefore, it was dispersed.
                      Quote: znavel
                      I think

                      Do not.
                    2. Ulan
                      Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 17
                      +2
                      Correctly done that covered. In the absence of a quorum, the meeting turned into an illegitimate one, an empty talking room.
                      That is, it was necessary to hold the elections of the new Constituent Assembly again, which in the conditions of the civil war was simply idiocy.
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Ulan
                        In the absence of a quorum, the meeting turned into an illegitimate one, an empty talking room.

                        Not only is your story bad. You still have bad legal issues.
                        Quote: Ulan
                        That is, it was necessary to hold elections of the new Constituent Assembly again

                        From what? It was enough to inquire about the location of some of the deputies. Search in Bolshevik prisons.
                        Moreover, the voting was based on party lists. And even if a deputy from some faction died (and there were cases of deaths of deputies "at the hands of unknown persons"), then his place was taken by the next one on the list. And without any "new elections" there.
                  2. Ulan
                    Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 14
                    +2
                    Alas dear, all by.
                    These are yours - "And why did you decide that the Socialist-Revolutionaries are terrorists?" .... "You decided to make everyone laugh." .... "Ask at least the basics of history." .... " history is bad. "..... arguments cannot be, it is something like" himself d ... "only in a more polite form.
                    With such childish statements, you are on the forum of kitty lovers,
                    In general, no offset.
                    1. Bloodsucker
                      Bloodsucker 6 November 2016 17: 24
                      +1
                      The Socialist Revolutionary Party did not emerge as a disciplined and centralized organization. There has always been a lot of anarchy and initiative of individual leaders and circles. For this reason, the Social Revolutionaries for a very long time (until 1905) could not convene their first congress. The Central Committee, which arose almost spontaneously, without election, did not enjoy great authority. Due to frequent arrests, its composition was constantly changing. In the first years of its existence, party unity was maintained mainly by the efforts of three energetic leaders: G. A. Gershuni, E. F. Azef and M. R. Gotz.

                      Gershuni, by profession, is a modest pharmacy worker, who once was fond of cultural and educational work, and then he adopted the ideas of extreme radicalism and moved to an illegal position. Azef combined his studies in Karlsruhe and Darmshat with participation in the work of foreign revolutionary circles. Having received an engineering diploma, he completely immersed himself in affairs connected with the revolution and became one of the founders of the Socialist Revolutionary Party. M. Gotz, the son of a millionaire merchant, was the main organizer of all the foreign work of the party and generously financed it.
                      At the same time, Yevno Azef was a full-time security agent with Zubatov.
                      By the beginning of the first Russian revolution, it numbered 2,5 thousand people. Of this number, about 70% were intelligentsia, about 25% were workers, peasants accounted for just over 1,5%, although the party was created as a peasant. The Socialist-Revolutionary Party inherited the tactics of individual terror from Narodnaya Volya.
                      http://biofile.ru/his/27758.html
                      Quote: Ulan
                      With such childish statements, you are on the forum of kitty lovers,
                      In general, no offset.

                      They answered correctly, it’s a child’s view of the problem and it doesn’t stand off .. with such knowledge, it goes to a serious site, you need to have a lot of arrogance and even more not understand what it is writing about.
                    2. rjxtufh
                      rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Ulan
                      With such childish statements, you are on the kitty forum

                      Mandatory. But not now, later.
                      1. Ulan
                        Ulan 6 November 2016 21: 50
                        0
                        Yes, do not wait, you will be welcomed there.
                      2. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 8 November 2016 15: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Ulan
                        there you will be welcome.

                        Will you protect me? Does everyone know you there?
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        2. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 13
          +4
          Moreover, they "killed" hundreds of millions.
  4. anfil
    anfil 4 November 2016 06: 28
    +6
    Again rEvolutionaries expose themselves white and fluffy. Shooting children means saving Russia, cool. And for some reason they never indicate whose grandees the coup made. The winner writes the story, and we descendants then teach it.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 4 November 2016 07: 20
      +25
      Quote: anfil
      And for some reason they never indicate whose grandees the coup made.

      And on whose grandees did the EBN revolution take place? And the history in Soviet times was treated more carefully than now. What in tsarist times, what is now - the West wrote and writes us. What is an example of Poklonskaya’s trick with a portrait of Nicholas II in the Immortal Regiment, to which he has not the slightest relation.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 4 November 2016 07: 30
      +4
      Alas, this is so.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 4 November 2016 09: 20
      +14
      06.28. Anfil! Well yes! Is this about the revolution of the 91-93th? What story is being told at the Yeltsin Center now? Why did Dzerzhinsky fight with homelessness? And what about the coup question? Which was in February? And in October, events were organized by the Russian General Staff, headed by Potapov. He survived until 1946 and died his death. so there are no grants. What grants did Morflot support in October? Many officers for which grants supported the revolution? In Petrograd (maybe they lie) signs; Except soldiers, sailors and dogs (wonderful warm relationship !?).
    4. parusnik
      parusnik 4 November 2016 14: 25
      +8
      anfil.The executions of officers began in March 1917 immediately after the democratic revolution .. The interim government either didn’t want to stop these executions, or it couldn’t .. If it couldn’t be what kind of power .. If it didn’t want, it’s interesting who worked for .. Lenin still drank beer in Switzerland, at that time ...
  5. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2016 06: 36
    +27
    If "dear and kind Nicolas" was not such a RAG and did not lead the country to revolution, then no matter how many lives he would have saved, including his family. And so, he is VERY GUILTY before Russia.
    And something else it seems to me that soon we will have a NEW party, with a clear monarchist bias ...
    And I would recommend Poklonskaya to be more careful in her statements, she seems to be in the SECURITY committee, and there is nothing to shake the situation in the country with her statements, and remember that she is also responsible for the fight against CORRUPTION, so let it be better in this field of herself will show, or even the identified corrupt officials, somehow magically come out "dry"
  6. base66
    base66 4 November 2016 07: 05
    +18
    correct article for all 100
  7. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 November 2016 07: 08
    +26
    The article is a plus. A beautiful woman does not have to be smart. She's excusable. Well ... with the upcoming anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution!
    PS Romanov was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. Well, how much can you?
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 4 November 2016 07: 30
      +21
      Quote: sergo1914
      Romanov was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. Well, how much can you?

      Sergey, you won’t prove this to the victims of the EG. They don’t even want to hear about the February Revolution, about the abdication of Nicholas. Especially think about it. They do not know how to think.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 4 November 2016 07: 46
      +12
      Quote: sergo1914
      Happy Anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution!

      By the way, this is the birthday of Lev Davidovich Bronstein!
      Quote: sergo1914
      PS Romanov was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. Well, how much can you?

      Simple truths cannot be explained to YG-Schnick and liberman by definition, for it is said for them:
      “3 And why are you looking at the speck in your brother's eye, but you don’t feel the beam in your own eye? first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see how to remove the speck from your brother's eye. " Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 4.
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 44
        +6
        Quote: V.ic
        By the way, this is the birthday of Lev Davidovich Bronstein!

        Accidental coincidence and no more.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 4 November 2016 14: 56
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          By the way, this is the birthday of Lev Davidovich Bronstein!

          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Accidental coincidence and no more.

          Here, those, and time! What a sharp turn! The great October Socialist Revolution is in honor of Trotsky! wink This is to Alexander Bessarabsky and the historian from Perm a note!
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 16: 15
            +2
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Here, those, and time! What a sharp turn! The great October Socialist Revolution is in honor of Trotsky! This is to Alexander Bessarabsky and the historian from Perm a note!

            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Quote: V.ic
            By the way, this is the birthday of Lev Davidovich Bronstein!

            So it’s with him, such a joy, and I have a footnote that the day coincided and no more, what relation Trotsky has to the revolution clearly has, like the one whom they used and no more, unlike his claims to something more. more .... Trotsky had the wit only as a busoter, a talker and organizer of all the dirt and crimes in the USSR, along with accomplices.
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 4 November 2016 16: 43
              +1
              There was a Mammoth "Here, there, and again! What a sharp turn! The Great October Socialist Revolution was made in honor of Trotsky!"

              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              So it’s with him, such a joy, and I have a footnote that the day coincided

              I haven’t published this, It’s yours!
              1. Comrades, I am honestly not to blame for the fact that David Leontyevich Bronstein - Anette Lvovna Bronstein (nee Zhivotovskaya) "inserted" at the wrong time!
              2. And then, who said “Yesterday it was early, tomorrow it will be late”? Here: all claims please to him. Maybe he wanted to make a birthday present to the former "Mezhdistrict"? Where this comrade is currently, I hope you both know ...
              3. All Orthodox with the Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God!
              1. Was mammoth
                Was mammoth 4 November 2016 18: 46
                +1
                Quote: The Bloodthirster
                So it is with him, such a joy

                Quote: V.ic
                I haven’t published this, It’s yours!

                wink
                Pancake! You are "conquered!"
                Quote: V.ic
                All Orthodox with the Day of the Kazan Icon of the Mother of God!

                Join.
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 18: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: There was a mammoth
                  Pancake! You are "conquered!"

                  We’ll stop the elephant for a gallop and tear off its trunk !!! laughing
                  1. Was mammoth
                    Was mammoth 4 November 2016 19: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    We’ll stop the elephant for a gallop and tear off its trunk !!! laughing

                    I wish you to successfully resist the slanderers. Unfortunately, I do not have such knowledge. And time.
    3. Sharapov
      Sharapov 4 November 2016 08: 11
      +8
      Romanov overthrown by armed means? Stormed and fired? Here's the news, I thought that he voluntarily abdicated the throne .....
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 4 November 2016 08: 46
        +5
        Ambiguous. Did they detain him on the way to Petrograd by persuasion? Formally, he was put in such conditions that the word "voluntarily" looks strange. And if he had arrived?
      2. avt
        avt 4 November 2016 11: 01
        +9
        Quote: Sharapov
        Romanov overthrown by armed means? Stormed and fired? Here's the news, I thought that he voluntarily abdicated the throne .....

        Study, study and study again . He was actually overthrown by an armed method, starting from the mutiny of the reserve regiments in the capital and practically the arrest of the family by a guards naval crew headed by the Grand Duke, ending with the arrest of Nika # 2 on the train at the Dno station with his OWN convoy demanding to sign a renunciation, he wrote nonsense in the form letters to the chief of the general staff, which were then issued for the reproach, and the same Alekseev simply put the SECOND letter in his pocket, according to his own statement. Nicky # 2 was a heavy drinker, but he didn’t know exactly what the manifesto and abdication were and actually signed one in 1905, I think. Maybe you have a few victims in the February days? Well, the Bolsheviks also quietly took the Winter Palace, without storming like in the movies - they jumped out of the cannon a couple of times, Aurora's hair was blank. AND EVERYTHING! The temporary C was bloated at once and wandered to Petropavlovka, from where they were later peacefully released.
        Quote: Sharapov
        Here's the news, I thought that he voluntarily abdicated the throne .....

        bully
        Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
        Prepare an enlightened spirit,
        And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
        And genius, the paradoxes friend
        You will still find out toli if you really will not learn from the Mlecenosvadze and Poklonskaya.
    4. sabakina
      sabakina 4 November 2016 08: 42
      +6
      sergo1914
      PS Romanov was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. Well, how much can you?

      Romanov is cherished for the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution!
      1. rjxtufh
        rjxtufh 4 November 2016 15: 01
        +2
        Quote: sabakina
        Romanov is cherished for the 100th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution!

        Was there some kind of "socialist revolution" in October? Yes, and "Great"!
        This is where, in which country did such passions occur?
        By the way, the construction of socialism in the USSR began in December 1927. After the completion of the reactionary coup carried out by Dzhugashvili (then still with his comrades). Therefore, until that time, no "socialist revolution" in Russia / RSFSR / USSR could exist by definition.
        With some stretch and very figuratively "socialist revolution" can be called the XV Congress of the CPSU (b). True, to call a reactionary coup a revolution is complete rubbish. But the reactionary coup can be called a "socialist revolution".
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 4 November 2016 16: 01
          +7
          Quote: rjxtufh
          Was there some kind of "socialist revolution" in October? Yes, and "Great"!

          Somehow shameful with such comments under the Soviet flag. "Stick" would be imperial. Ask. Today, just right
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 4 November 2016 16: 18
            +1
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Somehow shameful with such comments under the Soviet flag.

            And where does the flag come from? The flag does not affect historical events in any way.
            Do you essentially have anything to argue with?
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 4 November 2016 18: 32
              +8
              Quote: rjxtufh
              Do you essentially have anything to argue with?

              Yes. Only a provocateur can write such comments under the Soviet flag.
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 4 November 2016 20: 37
                +1
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                Only a provocateur can write such comments under the Soviet flag.

                Do you think it’s shameful to know the history of your country under such a flag?
                Once again I ask, do you essentially have any objections? If not, stop trolling.
              2. Ulan
                Ulan 6 November 2016 22: 14
                +2
                Yes, there is actually nothing to object, because the master under the Soviet flag, in fact, did not say anything. He just comments, the troll of others.
    5. avt
      avt 4 November 2016 10: 19
      +11
      Quote: sergo1914
      A beautiful woman does not have to be smart.

      Well at home, yes.
      Quote: sergo1914
      PS Romanov was not overthrown by the Bolsheviks. Well, how much can you?

      How much do you need . Well, in order for the slaves to realize and the majority themselves went to the serf stall to the new "masters" who threw off their bast shoes yesterday ..
  8. iZVerG
    iZVerG 4 November 2016 07: 27
    +25
    It seems that ZAO ROC thoroughly brainwashed the young lady. It is unfortunate that such statements come from a deputy of the State Duma. Especially now, when the fragile world is balancing on the verge of yet another madness. It is impossible to confuse the fragile minds of the inhabitants with such posts. And comparing Lenin with Hitler is like spitting on the grave of his ancestors.
    1. MCMLX
      MCMLX 4 November 2016 11: 57
      +3
      Well, then you yourself, dear "ISVerG", calling our holy Orthodox Church, on the ideas of which our civilization is based, "ZAO ROC", so you just shit at our past, and the future.
      So change your avatar to a jackal or hyena to be sure to match.
      1. iZVerG
        iZVerG 4 November 2016 12: 23
        +13
        To begin with, our civilization was born long before Christianity and the baptism of Russia. And it was TRUE equality and fraternity. Rusich were free people who did not know slavery, and called their Gods Native. It’s not at all what the church is preaching, is it, my Christian friend ?! And the jackal avatar, or keep the hyenas for yourself. I somehow do not suit!
        1. MCMLX
          MCMLX 4 November 2016 13: 04
          +2
          were free people who did not know slavery, and their Gods were called Native.

          ... And native gods from free people demanded human sacrifices from among the most beautiful girls ...
          Monster, start with yourself if you are such a loyal adherent of Rodnoverie (neopaganism, genotheism) - namely, slaughter yourself or burn at the stake or drown ritually. Be consistent in your faith. Or have you prepared all this savagery for us?

          "Your civilization" perished 1000 years ago and did it naturally, unable to withstand competition.

          Have you already received the baking from Victoria?
          1. iZVerG
            iZVerG 4 November 2016 13: 22
            +7
            I am sincerely sorry for you, dear! Well this is how the brain should be formatted .... I won't even ask where you got this nonsense about bloody sacrifices. I am not a native believer, although in spirit it is closest to me. I am for the Light of Truth. In this matter, the Truth is that you, and others like you, have been feeding parasites for 1000 years. And they have power over you. And this is a VERY profitable business! Do not break your forehead, dear, bowing before such a "HOLINESS" !!! By the way, did you want to treat yourself to cookies? !!
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 29
              +5
              EVERYTHING needs to be respected in my story, and I agree with you on this. That is, the one that was before the forced planting of Christianity in Russia according to the Byzantine rite.
              This is our whole story and sharing it means let it go nowhere.
              1. iZVerG
                iZVerG 4 November 2016 15: 40
                +1
                I agree! I am quite tolerant of all sorts of quirks, religions, passions and vices! Everyone goes crazy in his own way. But we deviated from the topic. Public people need to double monitor their language! It is forgiving milkmaid Glashka from the village of Zazhopino who forgively blur out a thoughtlessly. Poklonskaya made an inadmissible mistake.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 35
                  +5
                  I’ll say another hundred, everyone rushed to discuss what Poklonskaya said about Lenin, BUT! She did say something else, she compared Mao Zedong with Hitler!
                  But this generally does not go into any gates.
                  Okay, our internal squabbles, she said stupidity and she’ll say something, but this is already an international scandal.
                  This statement may cause legitimate indignation of China, the Chinese, unlike us, do not forgive anyone for disrespectful attitude to their history.
                  This stupid lady. maybe his unrestrained and stupid language. provoke tension between Russia and China.
            2. MCMLX
              MCMLX 4 November 2016 15: 39
              +2
              I repeat, she supplies cookies to people like you, Victoria Nuland.

              We know about human sacrifices from historical sources that have come down to us, unlike your pagan ontology, which is sucked from a finger in San Francisco and abandoned to us in the form of toxic dogmas for morons that can always be found everywhere.

              At the expense of parasites and opium for the people, we have already passed this and the second time to suck in this stale goods will not work.

              And I agree with the general content of the article. That is how things were and even worse, now history is cynically repeating itself in the form of farce, in the form of a new oligarchy, comprador and cosmopolitan on the one hand, and on the other hand, deceiving the bydalization of peoples through Rodnoverie, sectarianism, Wahhabism, or simply naturalism preached through all channels of a-visions in the form of tear series, boorish talk shows and even just advertising.

              Monster, do not like Victoria N. cookies. You can always buy MacDonald-Douglas feces (brown water and gas) and a ham burger, or some other compound feed in your American vomit.
              1. iZVerG
                iZVerG 4 November 2016 20: 29
                0
                This hag has not honored me with a visit! Fakburgers with cola are for the unfortunate victims of globalization. And according to your "historical sources" (Karamzin ?!) - THIS IS A FULL PARASHA !!!! So we stay with our own people! And by the way, the meaning of the word "monster" has long lost its true meaning. But that's a completely different story! I have the honor!
              2. the lord
                the lord 4 November 2016 20: 54
                0
                Nevertheless, I will stand up for my ancestors, but do not imprint what scientists know about human sacrifices among our pagan ancestors there?
  9. Grbear
    Grbear 4 November 2016 07: 29
    +10
    No wonder she was called Nyasha ... Fire, water passed, and tripped over copper pipes. A politician in such a post should not meddle in the jungle of History. A set of the same facts, but presented by different people, is always subjectivism. The adoption of one point of view and its promotion will always cause a reaction of another. I would do what I can (if I can) today, now and with full dedication. The rest is from the evil one. hi
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 4 November 2016 10: 02
      +7
      Quote: GrBear
      No wonder she was called Nyasha ..

      First Zakharova, now Poklonskaya. There is no place for women in politics (Clintonsha is also climbing).
      It seems that they are simply substituted (if you yourself ....)
  10. Alexdark
    Alexdark 4 November 2016 07: 34
    +13
    Of course they did. So they saved that the priests were burned, the Russian churches destroyed, the language changed, they renamed everything that was possible, overwriting history, made "(at) the outskirts of (Little Russia) Russia" separate states, dividing one nation .. you and me. The Saviors did their best ... And here the words about "a" planted bomb "look extremely wise. Everything that is happening now is not only because of the collapse of the USSR, this could not have happened if the" saviors "had not" planted their bomb "metaphorically. more weighty arguments? But some people, looking at such arguments, prefer to plug their ears and yell "lalalala, lalaala, I don't hear anything." request
    PS Maybe the king was a rag, or worse. I do not know. But the people who came after are real Russophobes.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 4 November 2016 09: 32
      +15
      07.34. Alexdark! If people were so pious, why did they destroy the church? Maybe the church already got everyone? Yes, and churches on every corner as outlets today is not too much for the faith? The church supported the abdication of the king, opposed the Soviet government. Did you have to love her for this? Today the church supports the Memorial Society, which is funded from abroad. On the outskirts of the martyrs, the Soviet regime was already supported. Why do we need such a church? After demolishing the temples, we split the atom and flew into space. How did the church develop science? Well, about the mine laid down by Lenin, Putin bent it! National republics means mine, and territorial formations are good. But in Afghanistan and Iraq, for some reason, Putin’s desire conflicts in armed form. hi Accusing the Bolsheviks of destroying churches, they somehow did not notice many buildings that stood all over Soviet power. One of them is on Red Square. Or just left St. Basil’s Cathedral, and the others blew up?
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 37
        +8
        In fact, the churches began to collapse even before the Bolsheviks and this is a fact. The peasants were very annoyed that the church had a lot of land, and the peasants of the land were exhausted.
        Peasants labored on church lands, and clergymen explained that this order was fair, unchanging, and sacred.
        Be patient and do not rock the boat. So the people burned the church and killed the priests, and this was not only at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century.
        Peter the Great also ruined churches, but the monastic forced the ships to build, roads, canals to dig and even fight.
        Few people know that Catherine, who erected the monuments and called the Great, closed almost two hundred monasteries, and put the monks on the street without a livelihood.
        But there is no monument to Stalin, who stopped persecuting the church and returned the patriarchate.
        So not everything went well in the "Danish kingdom".
      2. Alexdark
        Alexdark 4 November 2016 19: 08
        0
        As for St. Basil's Cathedral. Stalin was offered to demolish it to expand the area. And in this form, it’s blasphemous, absolutely disregard for history, for the value of such an architecture. But common sense prevailed. That is, if with such ease and without regret in one fell swoop they wanted to demolish this, is it not Russophobia? Contempt?
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 19: 18
          +3
          These your myths are already rotten.

          Emperor Nicholas II in February 1917 was overthrown by the liberals. It was the liberals in 1917 who overthrew the Russian Tsar and divided the country into dozens of “states” that were in conflict with each other.
          It was after February 1917 that the country broke up into many territorial entities. It was in February 1917 that internecine wars, famine, devastation, and infectious diseases that mowed people came to the country. Unfortunately, many in Russia do not know this and do not understand the essence of the events of 1917. And who did not understand the events that took place in February and October 1917, he is not able to figure out the further history of our state.
          Why February became possible? Because the country has accumulated contradictions that the liberals used for their own purposes, and their goal at all times was the same: to destroy the Russian state and exterminate the Russian nation.

          http://zavtra.ru/blogs/kto_v_1917_godu_sverg_impe
          ratora_nikolaya_i_i
    2. parusnik
      parusnik 4 November 2016 14: 30
      +6
      Alexdark..
      I do not know. But the people who came after are real Russophobes.
      .. They created the USSR for evil, defeated Nazism, flew into space ..
      1. Alexdark
        Alexdark 4 November 2016 18: 50
        0
        Well, if Nazism defeated then yes, of course. One would think otherwise they would not have won. It’s okay, but on the account they flew into space, I was always proud of the scientific and technical achievements of the USSR. I'm not pouring mud here. But the fact is the fact, Russophobia. And we would have flown into space ... a year earlier, a year later. Yes, let them build the USSR, okay, for God's sake, but not on Russophobic principles. Alien values, alien ideals.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 19: 02
          +4
          Quote: AlexDARK
          One would think otherwise they would not have won.

          And if there wasn’t evidence, but REALITIES say one thing, the USSR was there, he did what RI was not capable of, because it had exhausted itself.
          In turn, the Soviet Union fell not because of the inferiority of the Idea, but because of the rebirth of the so-called elite, the fish rots from the head.

          "There is a process of destruction of education, out of stupidity or deliberately - in this case it does not matter. I think that both are present. Once the intelligence officer Leonid Vladimirovich Shebarshin noticed that one should not look for malicious intent where stupidity reigns. objected: stupidity is the best disguise for malicious intent. Remember, as Schweik at Hasek: "I dare to report!" "https://cont.ws/post/345812
          1. Alexdark
            Alexdark 4 November 2016 19: 11
            0
            And in general, I was talking about Russophobia (not about, we would not have won, we would not have flown), because some consider it, on the contrary, Russophilia. Where did they consider it there with all the above-described historical moments? And I emphasize, I am not one of those people who throw scoops, the word is derogatory and unacceptable. And not one of those who throw mud at everything, everything connected with the USSR. Even the greatest achievements to be proud of.
            P.S. Nazism defeated the people, the common people. And the path into space was opened for us by Tsiolkovsky.
            1. the lord
              the lord 4 November 2016 21: 05
              +4
              The common people surrendered Moscow to the Poles, and the Soviet defended. The Communists helped the people to reveal their abilities to the maximum. This miracle is possible when you do not disdain science in the affairs of government. But pre-Soviet Russia often sinned (and right now begins) with all sorts of mysticism. Remember why Rasputin was magnified, and why they took the grishka otrepyev for the king?
              You can continue to drive an empty child against the Bolsheviks, in such a large society as our people, you will never be able to get rid of such individuals. I just want to remind you, if you take the Bolsheviks for Russophobia, then how do you assess the Christians of the Bulgarians and Greeks who carried out the baptism of Russia? Let me remind you, after this act, Russia ceased to carry out its expansion into the Balkans in order to liberate the Slavs from the rule of the Turkic Bulgarians. But this is exactly what Svyatoslav, the father of Vova the Baptist, did until his death.
  11. Monarchist
    Monarchist 4 November 2016 07: 55
    +6
    For all that, reverence for Natasha Poklonskaya should be slightly corrected: 1 put on the same board: Lenin, Mao, and Hitler, unmistakably. 2. Nikolai Alexandrovich was a tragic figure and he was very sorry, but his main trouble was that he was weakly characteristic and loved his wife. Under his father, Alexander Alexandrovich, none of the V.K. would dare to be arbitrary. 3. Industrialization and modernization was conceived even under Alexander 3. And the performer was S. Yu. Witte, a man of great intelligence, but he was undeservedly forgotten by us.
    The murder of P. A. Stolypin is the greatest misfortune !!!
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 48
      +10
      Quote: Monarchist
      3. And the performer was S. Yu. Witte, a man of great mind, but we have justly forgotten him.

      Yes?
      Is this the same Witte to whom Russia owes the "gold standard" as a result of which money was washed out of the country at once, and the country was put on loans from the French? Is this the same Witte who was nicknamed after the Portsmouth Peace, Count Witte-Polusakhalinsky? did not forget about myself ...
      Quote: Monarchist
      Industrialization and modernization were conceived even under Alexander 3.

      And they did it, not Nikolai and Witte, but the Bolsheviks hated by some here.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 40
      +1
      In fact, love for a wife and children cannot be a disadvantage, it is rather happiness.
      But being a henpecked man on the throne is a disaster.
      And I agree that no matter how you relate to Nikolai, this is truly a tragic figure.
  12. baudolino
    baudolino 4 November 2016 08: 03
    +1
    The author forgets that the word "monster" in this case is not a curse, but a statement of extraordinary cruelty. The worthlessness of Nicholas the Last as ruler does not affect Lenin's responsibility for the "Red Terror" and the civil war. Killing one person is a crime, and ordering the destruction of thousands and thousands is government policy. Then what questions can there be for today's am? They, too, simply support the greatness of their state.
    Either you are responsible for the deaths of millions or the killing - this is normal. There are no other options!
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 51
      +5
      Leni is NOT responsible for the outbreak of the Civil War.
      To whom, to whom, and the Bolsheviks did not need it.
      They began to prepare for the overthrow of the Bolsheviks by armed means almost immediately after the revolution. This happened in early November of the 17th year, that is, almost two weeks after VOSR, when General Alekseev arrived in the Don and founded his committee, a military organization was immediately established, and in January General Kornilov was appointed commander of the army, which was called Volunteer .
      I hope there are no naive people who think that it was created to make firewood?
      That's how the Civil War began and Lenin had nothing to do with it. And then came the uprising of the Czechoslovak corps inspired by the British, who circulated a fake about Trotsky’s alleged order of mass execution of Czechoslovakians.
      Many enthusiastically repeat Lenin's thesis as evidence - we will turn the imperialist war into a civil war, absolutely not understanding in connection with what it was voiced and what goals it pursued and that priorities may change over time.
      This thesis was voiced by Lenin for one purpose - the overthrow of the monarchy and the coming of the Bolsheviks to power.
      The monarchy was overthrown by the liberal bourgeoisie in February 17th and the Bolsheviks came to power in October and therefore this slogan lost its relevance and after October 25th, it was NEVER voiced by the Bolsheviks again. They achieved their goals and they did not need a civil war.
      At that time, they already had another slogan - the world revolution and civil war only interfered with this goal.
      1. avt
        avt 4 November 2016 16: 25
        +4
        Quote: Ulan
        Leni is NOT responsible for the outbreak of the Civil War.
        To whom, to whom, and the Bolsheviks did not need it.

        wassat laughing To the captain, mana, and who proposed the imperialist transfer to civilian ?? I give a hint - in Sweden. Not really our Pushkin? wassat You don’t need to fall into insanity. we will drive humanity into happiness with our hand. ”Actually, this slogan was picked up by common people and is being ignited all over the planet.
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 16: 31
          +5
          Quote: avt
          To the captain, mana, and who proposed the imperialist transfer to civilian ??

          Against whom, if you started talking, then finish, AGAINST WHO it was written. And it is written against those who, using the IMPERIALIST WARs, first of all decided their selfish interests, redistributed colonies, redistributed spheres of influence, but were absolutely not preoccupied with the needs of the common people.
          So Civil, unleashed by WHITE and supported by ATNANT, in fact, a continuation of the 1st World War, in the format of redistribution of the territory of RUSSIA.
          Quote: avt
          Lenin, with his party, was on his way to his goal.

          Yes, it is, but everything else is already dishonest conjectures.
          Quote: avt
          “We will drive humanity into happiness with an iron hand.” Actually, this slogan was picked up by common people and ignited all over the planet.

          But this, is called a substitution of concepts, to which the global humanists drive and what Lenin called for, absolute antagonism in goals and consequences.
          1. avt
            avt 4 November 2016 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            But this is called a substitution of concepts,

            Nothing of the kind, since I'm talking about METHOD, and it’s quite Trotsky’s in the form of a permanent movement, because for the most part the current universal people are the same left-wingers raised by Trotskyism who have completely become globalists, but you won’t be able to live by nature and habits.
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            that is already unfair speculation.

            Not speculation, but ... revolutionary expediency.
            Quote: The Bloodthirster
            - AGAINST WHO it was written. And it was written against those who, using the IMPERIALIST WARs, first of all decided their selfish interests, redistributing the colonies, redistributing spheres of influence, but was absolutely not preoccupied with the needs of the common people.

            "Sophistry pastor." Yes, and I did not say who first started, but the actual question here is who won in the end, but, let the defeated cry, cursing his fate. "
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 18: 39
          +2
          Lord, what is it .... dear you read my message, please. TOTALLY, I was just talking there about this slogan and why and for what and under what conditions it was accepted and when it was abandoned.
          But what are you saying - I look in a book and see a fig.
          Well, be careful.
      2. rjxtufh
        rjxtufh 4 November 2016 22: 42
        0
        Quote: Ulan
        Leni is NOT responsible for the outbreak of the Civil War.
        To whom, to whom, and the Bolsheviks did not need it.

        Zraste, and who else bears? Isn't the one who unleashed her? Those. not the Bolsheviks?
        Quote: Ulan
        They began to prepare for the overthrow of the Bolsheviks by armed means almost immediately after the revolution.

        Actually, the revolution in the first half of the 20th century. in Russia there was only one. In February 1917 The next one was already in 1956, i.e. in the second half of the 20th century
        In addition, there was a whole chain of reactionary coups (an action opposite to revolution). In January 1918, in 1927, in 1937. As a result, it was already the last, society in the USSR degraded to a slave state. What was officially documented.
        Quote: Ulan
        This happened in early November of the 17th year.

        In November 1917 the Bolsheviks were of little interest to anyone. The country was preparing for the elections to the Constituent Assembly. The Bolsheviks were also preparing. But in a strange way, with the expectation that the election may lose. Which actually happened. Then, in January 1918, they committed the state. coup.
        Quote: Ulan
        that is, almost two weeks after VOSR

        VOSR, what is this? Who and in what toilet is SR?
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 5 November 2016 19: 10
          +2
          Not interested. If you want to jerk, instead of having a normal conversation, then this is not for me. I have long gone out of this age, when the discussion is conducted at the level of podgolki.
          You have stated your point of view and it is erroneous. Not the Bolsheviks unleashed the Civil War and this is a fact.
          Civil war is the struggle of part of the population against power. for the return of power that they lost.
          Did the Bolsheviks lose power? No.
          Power lost the Provisional Government and its supporters, it was they who wanted to return power.
          You can ignore the facts, but they do not disappear from this anywhere.
          The fact remains immediately after the October Revolution. the coup, the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks, whatever you call it, General Alekseev, Kornilov and others began to prepare armed resistance. Two weeks after the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks.
          Already in December 17th, a military committee was created, at the beginning of Kornilov, on November 2, 17th, Alekseev and Kornilov announced the formation of the Volunteer Army, and in January 18th Kornilov was appointed commander of the Volunteer Army.
          To deny these undeniable and documented facts is the same as denying that the Sun rises in the East.
          And no fussing will help here.
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: Ulan
            Not the Bolsheviks unleashed the Civil War and this is a fact.

            This is not a fact, this is faht. For fruits like you.
            Quote: Ulan
            Civil war is the struggle of part of the population against power. for the return of power that they lost.

            And what is the name of the struggle for illegally appropriated power? This is just the case of the Bolsheviks.
            Quote: Ulan
            Power lost the Provisional Government

            The interim government in any way existed before the convocation of the Constituent Assembly. Regardless of his showdown with the Bolsheviks in the Winter.
            Quote: Ulan
            General Alekseev, Kornilov and others began to prepare armed resistance. Two weeks after the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks.

            yeah. Still, you recognize the armed seizure of power by the Bolsheviks. Already good.
            Quote: Ulan
            and in January 18th Kornilov was appointed commander of the Volunteer Army.

            So in the early days of January 1918. the Bolsheviks carried out their coup. Of course, immediately began to appear centers of anti-deed to them.
            1. the lord
              the lord 5 November 2016 23: 36
              +2
              Well, if you still assume for a second that the Bolsheviks began a civilian, then from what moment did this happen?
              You are so happy about the recognition of Ulan as an armed way of seizing power by the Bolsheviks)))), but tell me foolish, but in your opinion, revolution = what is this way of seizing power?
              Regarding the "centers of resistance" since January 18, Ulan pointed to November 2, 1971, when the volunteer army began to form. Do you think this happened before January 18th or after?))))
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 6 November 2016 11: 43
                0
                Quote: znavel
                Well, if you still assume for a second that the Bolsheviks began a civilian, then from what moment did this happen?

                Formally, since the armed Bolshevik coup in early January 1918. But they began preparing for this at the end of 1917. And the first stage (preparatory) was the displacement of the Provisional Government.
                Of course, neither the displacement of the Provisional Government, nor the putsch itself, i.e. the dispersal of the Constituent Assembly was not a revolution. Well, there are no signs of revolution there, no matter how puffed up the "Soviet historians".
                But the signs of a reactionary armed coup (action opposite to the revolution) are just there.
                Quote: znavel
                You are so happy about Ulan's recognition of the armed way of seizing power by the Bolsheviks

                You confused me with someone.
                Quote: znavel
                but tell me foolish

                Are you talking to yourself?
                This is a very bad symptom. Tell the doctor about this.
                Quote: znavel
                and in your opinion revolution = what is the way to seize power?

                Any. In different countries it was different.
                Quote: znavel
                Ulan indicated on November 2, 1971, when the volunteer army began to form. What do you think happened before January 18th or after?

                And who told you that a volunteer army began to form to fight against the Soviets?
            2. Ulan
              Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 26
              +2
              Well, there are no arguments, and rudeness immediately started. And you don’t know how to read, Alekseev and Kornilov began to form the Volunteer Army in November December 17th. Read my dear carefully ..
              Of course, the Bolsheviks illegally seized power, but from whom?
              This is why the Provisional Government was legitimate?
              If the Bolsheviks illegally seized power, then they seized it ALSO from the illegal government, but they forgot that the temporary emptied the LAWFUL emperor ..
              So the same revolutionaries who were going to take power from the Bolsheviks were illegal.
              Generally not an argument, and if I'm fruit, then you are undoubtedly a vegetable.
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 58
                0
                Quote: Ulan
                Alekseev and Kornilov began to form the Volunteer Army in November December 17th,

                So what?
                Quote: Ulan
                Of course, the Bolsheviks illegally seized power, but from whom?

                The legitimate Provisional Government. Created by decree of Mikhail Alexandrovich (Nikolai 2 transferred the throne to him) on the basis of the Provisional Committee of the Duma. And with the participation of the Petrograd Council. The Provisional Government, recognized as the legal authority in Russia by the leading countries of the world (France, Britain, USA, Italy). This Provisional Government was supposed to function until the appointment of the new authorities by the Constituent Assembly, the elections to which were to be held at the end of 1917.
                Quote: Ulan
                then they seized it ALSO from the illegal authorities, al they forgot that the temporary ones threw off the LAWFUL emperor ..

                Learn the history of your country. At least sometimes briefly.
                Quote: Ulan
                So the same revolutionaries were going to take power from the Bolsheviks.

                Yes Yes. These pure and innocent Bolshevik lambs wanted to take everything and everything. And they wanted to kill them. This is a well-known fact.
                Therefore, they, just preventively, did the first. Played ahead of the curve, so to speak.
                Lord, as in my time, I was tired of these tales. I thought I would never hear them again. And here you go ...
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 4 November 2016 08: 08
    +8
    Here's how you can relate to the fact that the legitimate monarch was overthrown, executed, staged a bloody revolution, then no less bloody terror and civil war? I just described the events of the late 18th century in France. But they celebrate this event.
  14. cedar
    cedar 4 November 2016 08: 26
    +8
    "If it weren't for the Bolsheviks, Russian civilization would most likely simply have perished."

    She died. It was destroyed by the Bolsheviks, the Leninists ... BUT ... the Bolsheviks, the Stalinists rejoiced in a new incarnation, destroying the Leninists. So that the Bolsheviks discord Bolsheviks. The cult medal of Lenin has two sides ...
    The obverse of the Lenin medal is visible to everyone and is well known, but with a reverse it is tight, and it is monstrous.


    14 Quotes from Lenin’s Grandfather, From Which Blood Runs Cold

    We have collected excerpts from the multi-volume works of Lenin and the declassified telegrams of Ilyich:
    1. “…Great plan! Finish it with Dzerzhinsky. Under the guise of "greens" (we will blame them later), we will go 10-20 miles and hang kulaks, priests, landowners. Prize: 100.000 rubles for the hanged man…”
    Litvin A. L. “The Red and White Terror in Russia in 1917-1922”
    2. “A life-and-death war for the rich and hangers-on, bourgeois intellectuals... they must be dealt with, at the slightest violation... In one place they will be put in jail... In another, they will be put in to clean toilets. In the third, they will provide them with yellow tickets upon departure of the punishment cell... In the fourth, they will be shot on the spot... The more varied, the better, the richer the overall experience will be...”
    December 24 - 27, 1917 (Lenin V.I. Complete collection. Op. T. 35. P. 200, 201, 204. - From the work “How to organize a competition?”)
    3. "... Can you still tell Teru to prepare everything for burning Baku completely, in case of an invasion, and to announce it in print in Baku."
    June 3, 1918 (Volkogonov D.A. Lenin. Political portrait. Lenin handwritten order to the chairman of the Baku Cheka S. Ter-Gabrielyan)
    4. “Penza, Provincial Executive Committee. ... to carry out a merciless mass terror against kulaks, priests and White Guards; doubtful ones to be locked up in a concentration camp outside the city.”
    August 9, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 143-144).
    5. “To Comrades Kuraev, Bosch, Minkin and other Penza communists.
    Comrades! The revolt of the five volosts of kulak should lead to ruthless suppression. The interest of the entire revolution requires this, for now the "final decisive battle" with the kulach has been taken. Sample must be given.
    Hang (certainly hang, so that people can see) at least 100 notorious kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers.
    Post their names.
    Take away all the bread from them.
    Appoint hostages - according to yesterday’s telegram.
    To make sure that people see, tremble, know, shout for hundreds of miles: they will strangle and strangle the bloodsucker of kulaks.
    Wire receipt and execution.
    Your Lenin. "
    (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996.P. 57.).
    6. “Saratov, (to the Commissioner of the People's Commissariat for Food) Pikes. ... I advise you to appoint your superiors and shoot the conspirators and those who hesitate, without asking anyone and not allowing idiotic red tape.
    August 22, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 165).
    7. “Sviyazhsk, Trotsky.
    Surprised and alarmed by the slowdown in operations against Kazan, especially if it was correctly informed me that you have the full ability to destroy the enemy with artillery. In my opinion, you can’t spare the city and postpone it longer, because merciless extermination is necessary ... ”
    September 10, 1918 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T.50. S. 178).
    8. “As for foreigners, I advise you not to hurry with expulsion. Wouldn't it be better to go to a concentration camp ... "
    June 3, 1919 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 50.P. 335).
    9. “All foreign nationals living on the territory of the RSFSR from the ranks of the bourgeoisie of those states that are conducting hostile and military actions against us, at the age of 17 to 55, should be imprisoned in concentration camps ...”
    (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996, S. 56).
    10. “… far from all the peasants understand that the free trade in grain is a crime against the state. “I have produced bread, this is my product, and I have the right to trade in it,” — this is how the peasant argues, out of habit, in the old days. And we say that this is a state crime.”
    November 19, 1919 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 39.P. 315).
    11. "T. Lunacharsky
    ... I advise you to put all theaters in a coffin.
    Education should not be engaged in theater, but literacy. ”
    Lenin, August 26, 1921 (Lenin, V.I.
    12. “... I come to the unconditional conclusion that right now we must give the most decisive and merciless battle to the Black Hundred clergy and crush their resistance with such cruelty that they will not forget this for several decades ...
    The greater the number of representatives of the reactionary clergy and the reactionary bourgeoisie we are able to shoot on this subject, the better. ”
    March 19, 1922 (Bulletin of the Central Committee of the CPSU. 1990. No. 4. P. 190-193).
    13. “... Take military measures, i.e. try to punish Latvia and Estland in a military way (for example, “on the shoulders” of Balakhovich, cross the border somewhere for 1 verst and hang 100–1000 of their officials and rich people there)”.
    Lenin, August 1920 (Latyshev A.G. Declassified Lenin. M., 1996).
    14. “…The court must not eliminate terror; to promise this would be self-deception or deceit, but to substantiate and legitimize it on principle, clearly, without falsehood and without embellishment.
    May 17, 1922 (Lenin V.I. Poln. Sobr. Soch. T. 45.P. 190).
    Etc. etc ....... See at the root.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 4 November 2016 09: 15
      +4
      I think Lenin's phrase "Hang 100-1000 officials" unites both monarchists and communists.
      1. Sobol
        Sobol 4 November 2016 10: 32
        +10
        Quote: sergo1914
        I think Lenin's phrase "Hang 100-1000 officials" unites both monarchists and communists.

        Well, this phrase is still relevant. It can be said that it is especially relevant.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 4 November 2016 09: 35
      +1
      Very good selection. But that's not all! Penza alone has a very large correspondence about whom, how and how much. But then people were justified by the complexity of the situation and the fact that the world revolution would blame all the mistakes and cruelty of the vanguard.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 4 November 2016 09: 48
      +5
      08.26. Cedar! And what Grantoedovsky sources then? This is all from there. From enlighteners. Was the word concentration camp already under Lenin?
      1. Snakebyte
        Snakebyte 4 November 2016 10: 45
        +2
        The concentration camps were used by the Americans in their Civil War. Both sides. And the British in the Boer. So, the word has long been.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 15: 55
          +2
          There was a word, but in Russia it was not used. Prison, hard labor, deportation. The word camp came into circulation later and without any "end".
          Forced labor camps, that’s what they were called.
    4. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 10: 02
      +11
      Well, what is there to ripen at the root?
      Quotes taken out of context, invented quotes, with an attempt to say that, oh, oh, look what a villain?
      http://forum.17marta.ru/index.php?topic=10609.15
      Now about the fabrication of quotes
      http://www.proza.ru/2016/02/02/2586
      So you can see what the actions of Belykh were. Yes, even not whites, you can look into the near past, from citation, "to soak in toilets," to what else and what then?
    5. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 November 2016 14: 59
      0
      Quote: cedar
      See the root.

      Interesting links! Especially if not from the complete collection wink
      Quote: kalibr
      Very good selection.
      wink
    6. Alexander Alatyrev
      Alexander Alatyrev 5 November 2016 16: 48
      +2
      Why are you quoting Latyshev? Is it known that this is a collection of fakes created at different times by dissidents and put together in a bunch of KGB? You may be interested in them, but other people are just ridiculous.
  15. erased
    erased 4 November 2016 08: 30
    +22
    According to Poklonskaya - another fool on a par with Zakharova, who blessed everyone with a revelation of Stalin and the USSR. Now the Crimean nyasha has born a pearl. Well, she prays to Nikolashka, so let her quietly, at home. No, I cut out a lovely mouth and let's spit shit! Neither mind nor wanting to get acquainted with the documents and at least work a little head. Well, yes, working with your mouth is easier and more familiar.
    In fact. The decaying imperial power of Russia showed itself in all its glory. And naturally she died. The feral revolution should be called a coup, for Nikolashka first denied in favor of his son. and then brother. That is a family option. And only then did the brother deny. And the power passed to the same nobles and bourgeois.
    And in October, the parties falling into the abyss decided to save the party of the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries and anarchists. But it was Lenin who headed this movement! And although until 1927 it was officially called the October Revolution, but then it was justly and honestly called the Great October Socialist Revolution!
    You need to learn history and know! And if there is no desire and mind - then keep quiet !.
    The author is very grateful for chewing common truth! Now it is very necessary.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 4 November 2016 08: 57
      +5
      Quote: erased
      And in October, the parties falling into the abyss decided to save the party of the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Socialist Revolutionaries and anarchists. But it was Lenin who headed this movement!

      - yeah, yeah ... but until October 1917, the Bolshevik party quietly stood on the sidelines and did nothing (that is, absolutely nothing!) to provoke the so-called. "revolutionary situation"
      - also the parties of the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and especially the Socialist-Revolutionaries were not what is now commonly called "terrorist organizations"
      - also there was no Kamo and his assistants (um), who stupidly robbed banks, etc. "for the needs of the revolution." After that very revolution, such "revolutionaries" were quite rightly driven by "robbers" and "especially dangerous criminals", no?
      - something is wrong? Three haha Yes
      1. erased
        erased 4 November 2016 09: 22
        +10
        Do you have a hysteria, my dear? Drink valerian.
        Who, for what purposes and how helped (or prevented) the Bolsheviks from rebuilding the country is a separate, though very interesting, question.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 4 November 2016 20: 27
          +1
          Quote: erased
          Do you have a hysteria, my dear? Drink valerian

          - where, I wonder, you saw my "hysterics"
          - this is pure banter ... over yours, dear, fictionalism
          - cats valerian contraindicated. Like you - vodka. The effect is the same, practical laughing
      2. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 10: 07
        +12
        Again appeared and on the move .... as it should be for the cat ..
        In the program installations of the Bolsheviks there are no installations on terror, unlike the Socialist-Revolutionaries.
        Aren't those who "stupidly" robbed the country since 1991 annoying?
        Do not bankers "stupidly" rob depositors annoy? Ah ... well, these are yours, they can ...
        Still would have thrown a quote, they say the cook can’t ...
        Well, that’s what it could, but you didn’t lie, its text is completely
        “We are not utopians. We know that any unskilled worker and any cook is not capable of taking over the government right away. We agree with the cadets, Breshkovskaya, and Tsereteli on this. But we differ from these citizens in that we demand immediate a break with the prejudice that only the rich or officials taken from wealthy families are able to govern the state, to carry out the everyday work of government.We demand that training in government be carried out by class-conscious workers and soldiers and that it should be started immediately, that is, all working people, all the poor, were immediately involved in this training.

        We know that the Cadets are also willing to teach the people about democracy. The cadet ladies agree to read, according to the best English and French sources, lectures for servants on women's equality. And also at the next concert-rally, in front of thousands of people, a kissing will be arranged on the stage: the cadet lady of the lecturer will kiss Breshkovskaya, Breshkovskaya, the former minister Tsereteli, and the grateful people will be taught in this way clearly what republican equality, freedom and brotherhood are ... "
        Doesn’t it remind of anything of modernity?
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 4 November 2016 15: 40
          +1
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          In the program installations of the Bolsheviks there are no installations on terror, unlike the Socialist-Revolutionaries.

          Are you kidding everyone ???
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 16: 10
            +5
            Quote: potroshenko
            Are you kidding everyone ???

            Stuff the pan deeper.
            Or vice versa, remove it all depends on who you consider yourself to be, if the first, then you will die in the complete clouding of reason with Bandera, if the second, then understand that terror as a means to an end is a party attitude of the Socialist Revolutionaries.
          2. EvgNik
            EvgNik 4 November 2016 16: 29
            +6
            Quote: potroshenko
            Are you kidding everyone ???

            Unlike you and your colleague below, Vlad always speaks carefully and with knowledge of the subject of discussion. But hysteria will not help you. Got something to say? then speak.
        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 4 November 2016 20: 23
          +1
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Still would have thrown a quote, they say the cook can’t ...
          Well, that’s what it could, but you didn’t lie, its text is completely ...

          - talking with yourself is one of the signs of schizophrenia, no?

          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Doesn’t it remind of anything of modernity?

          - Bloodsucker, you are incorrigible request
          1. Bloodsucker
            Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 20: 31
            +2
            - Bloodsucker, you are incorrigible request[/ Quote]
            Hamim?
            Actually, in addition to rudeness in the head of a kote, there is still what?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 4 November 2016 20: 34
              +1
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Hamim?

              - Nope ... we state the fact. As distorted, and distorted. A sharpie you ... Bloodsucker negative

              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              Actually, in addition to rudeness in the head of a kote, there is still what?

              - there are a lot of things there, but not about your honor hi
              1. Bloodsucker
                Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 20: 58
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                there is a lot that is there, but not about your honor

                Well, to your honor .. as a Beijing lobster.
                As for my honor, it’s not for you to judge her, a warrior's sofa sitting in the armchair of a banal office guard.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 4 November 2016 21: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  there is a lot that is there, but not about your honor

                  Well, to your honor .. as a Beijing lobster.
                  As for my honor ...

                  - soooo ...
                  - you obviously didn’t read Russian fairy tales in your childhood ... there is this expression - not enough in every second:

                  Not about your (your, etc.) honor - Ustar. Neglect Not for you (you, etc.). What, no (vodka)? incredulously asked Peter. Yes, but not about your honor. Forbidden now. Strictly about this (An. Ivanov. Overlord)

                  - Are you not Crimean, Bloodsucker? The one that daughter chamberlain officer?
                  - Yes, and the manners are similar - a typical salary troll laughing

                  Quote: The Bloodthirster
                  As for my honor ...

                  - ... either you carefully hide its presence, or you do not have it. Completely Yes
                  - I think the second option is preferable ...
                  1. Bloodsucker
                    Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 21: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    - Are you not Crimean, Ta, that the daughter of the chamberlain officer?
                    - Yes, and the manners are similar - a typical salary troll

                    This-Cat Man Null is undoubtedly so.
                    There are no thoughts, the mind is not far away, it prefers to cling to users, but does not have its own position, the troll is by vocation.
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    either you carefully hide its presence, or you do not have it. Completely

                    You speak correctly about yourself; you do not have it.
                    Without options.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 4 November 2016 21: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: The Bloodthirster
                      You speak correctly about yourself; you do not have it.
                      Without options

                      - everything is clear with you
                      - How much do they plot in dollars, daughter of an officer? laughing
                      - You’ve just been caught on the hot ... not to know the expression "not about your honor" a Russian simply cannot No.
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    2. kalibr
      kalibr 4 November 2016 09: 45
      +2
      And now, dear former marshal in kind, let's recall the foundations of sociology, which have not been canceled. Since the end of the Paleolithic era, people of three social structures have lived on Earth. Higher, middle and lower. The higher ones manage, the middle ones provide their management. The lower ones feed both the higher and the middle ones and themselves. That is, they work both for themselves and for that guy, therefore they work hard, are poorly educated (otherwise they would have fallen into the middle class), but ideas of equality and justice roam among them. Over time, the higher ones lose their "grip on life" and degenerate (an example with Tsar Nicholas and others like him one on one!). Or they drink too much, because you get used to good things quickly.
      Then the average understand that their time has come, go to the lower and say that they know how to achieve universal happiness. The lower ones believe them, die on the barricades, overthrow the higher ones, after which the middle ones themselves become higher, some of the lower ones fall into the middle ones, after which all the rest are thrown back to where they were called from. Their situation improves only insofar as there is technical progress. In reality, lower ones can never come closer to social justice, no matter what rivers of blood spill.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 4 November 2016 11: 29
        +14
        Quote: kalibr
        Higher, middle and lower

        Well, yes, in nature, higher and lower, plebs (or loser in your opinion), and you are in the middle. The buzz. The upper ones smell nice (but what!) And the plebs stinks (how could it be otherwise?). All summer I went to the garden twice a day. It seems that in the evening, after working in the sun, the smell should still stand. But it wasn't! There was no smell of labor sweat, There was a smell of freshness, herbs, flowers. But when (occasionally, but it happened) a lady from those who did not work drove a couple of stops, and her husband had money, it was a nightmare. The stench from old sweat and deodorant on top. It's good to poison cockroaches. This is the smell of money for you. This is the "elite". This is yours.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 4 November 2016 15: 02
          +4
          Quote: EvgNik
          Well, yes, in kind, higher and lower, plebs (or your loser), and you're in the middle.

          No, he is now the "elite"!
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 4 November 2016 16: 31
            +3
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            No, he is now the "elite"!

            No, he said that he still does not reach the elite, although he seeks, seeks.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 4 November 2016 12: 58
        +7
        Quote: kalibr
        three social structures. Higher, middle and lower.

        Very philosophical. We look further ...
        Quote: kalibr
        Over time, the higher ones lose their "life grip" and degenerate

        Transition of quantity into quality. We look further ...
        Quote: kalibr
        after which the middle ones themselves become higher, some of the lower ones fall into the middle, after which all the rest are thrown back to where they were called from.

        The law of negation of negation. The finish.
        Why stir up philosophy? Conduct an experiment: stir up water with earth in a glass jar. Find foam on the surface of the liquid. She has the most benefits in the form of sunlight and fresh air. So, the foam is your so-called. "higher". Among them there is a lot of that object that "does not sink" but floats. The foam, as a rule, settles after a while, degenerating into the middle layers, which receive what is left of the foam, these are your so-called. "average". "That does not sink" is still floating on the surface, slightly tinkling. Since all processes proceed with an increase in entropy, after a while "what floats" gradually erodes and begins to slowly poison the middle, and subsequently the lower layers, sinking into the sediment. Visual experience?
        1. potroshenko
          potroshenko 4 November 2016 15: 48
          +1
          Quote: V.ic
          Why stir up philosophy? Experience: in a glass jar, stir up the water with the ground.

          Why print this nonsense?
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 4 November 2016 16: 09
            +1
            Quote: potroshenko
            Why print this nonsense?

            Yes, malekho just "joked" over the "calibrated" delirium ... lol Nothing personal, just a thought experiment of the type that lovers of medieval scholasticism, directed to the future, are trying to "impose" on us here. Yes
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 November 2016 10: 31
              0
              For some reason, it turns out that I am reading the comments in the wrong order. Too many comments are interrupted by advertising. I liked the experience about the bank. A lot of sense in this process. Philosophy, however.
              And about the elite, I think so ---- having important important communist older relatives, and in a small town ----- he belonged to this provincial elite from childhood !!!!!!! Maybe I’ll be mistaken in numbers, sorry, I’m not prepared especially to this comment ------ it seems that since 1982 (?) the party’s history was taught, therefore, it was a communist, born in 1954 (?) Stepfather ----- Polish military, special officer. The steepness is inconceivable! !!!!!! All the merits of the ancestors .And then perestroika ---- and the communist ancestors are already useless to the new elite
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 7 November 2016 19: 45
                0
                There were problems with the network. Of course, I want to be near
  16. Basil50
    Basil50 4 November 2016 08: 44
    +18
    An amazing picture is obtained, cause-and-effect relations by no means fit into the heads of not only Poklonskaya, but also many in the government. It is impossible to suspect a lack of education, therefore we are faced with deliberate lies. When events occur, we can’t * jump * over the event and immediately go to * pleasant * or * unpleasant * events, bypassing the entire chain of events, and everything connected with these events. Of course I write the simplest concepts, but why, knowing all this, such performances continue?
    In relation to B and Lenin and Stalin, there is so much hatred just because of their success. In Europe, the colonial powers have committed so many crimes and all the same for * democrats * they remain * the beacon of democracy *. Doubts about the adequacy and simply decency of liberal democrats do not appear from scratch.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 4 November 2016 11: 37
      +5
      Inspired.
      The defining feature of a liberal democrat is his desire to attach himself, anyway, to what, to the idea, to production, to any ACTING business. They cannot create anything, only criticize and at the same time * take over *.
  17. sabakina
    sabakina 4 November 2016 08: 47
    +12
    Eh nyasha nyasha .... Was ours, became ....
  18. parusnik
    parusnik 4 November 2016 08: 51
    +8
    Today's Samsonov does not look like yesterday ... In terms of style, there are two different articles .. I wrote two different authors, but under the same name .. Poklonskaya ... she just PR ... she sniffed what it smells in the ruling elite .. And it adjusts .. I’m my own bourgeois, take me to your bourgeoisie ... Priorities will change at the top, priorities will change at Poklonskaya ..
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 4 November 2016 18: 34
      +1
      Samsonov is the collective alias of a group of authors.
      Today's Samsonov is a Bolshevik-Leninist. Yesterday is a monarchist. The day before yesterday the third.
      Strikingly different. As in Russia, 100 years after the event, they are directly fighting because of
      his grades, as if it were yesterday. A country looking to the past ... sad
      1. the lord
        the lord 4 November 2016 21: 19
        +1
        Does this tell us a citizen of a country that is fighting the Arabs for the Golan Heights because they once belonged to the king Solomon?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 November 2016 21: 54
          +1
          "which for the Golan heights fights with the Arabs because they once belonged to King Solomon?" ////

          Not therefore, of course. King Solomon in this matter we absolutely sneeze.
          Golan - a mountain plateau from which half of the north of Israel is shot.
          If Syria was a developed democratic country, the Golan would be calm
          given away.
          1. the lord
            the lord 5 November 2016 01: 57
            +3
            Oh, don’t rub all of us here for Jewish generosity, let alone in terms of territories)))). Only the Russians are capable of such a thing in the whole history of mankind, and sometimes ... And sometimes even with the support of the Jews. that hang around under the leadership of Russia))).
  19. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 08: 57
    +8
    Quote: Vladimir Matveev
    not expected. that she is so stupid

    And this is said in the most benevolent way.
    It seems that the years of independence and Ukrainian education had the influence conceived by Soros ...
    Not to know about war criminals not only in Germany, but also in Japan, not to name the abominations created by Paul Then, not to burn with hatred for the former General Vlasov, not to remember the meanness of the Churchill or Truman allies ...

    It seems that such domestic politicians are even more trouble than open enemies.
    It seems to have its own, and even a good deal behind it, but as it says .... I swallow air.

    Very annoying.
    Goodbye love ...
  20. Delink
    Delink 4 November 2016 09: 05
    +4
    Not knowing the story, writing something without comprehending the consequences for itself, this is stupid.
    She lowered herself below the baseboard. A completely different attitude has become towards her.
    Or maybe the opposition slipped her manuscript so that she published it? As one of the options.
  21. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 4 November 2016 09: 20
    +1
    Lenin is always "ALIVE".
  22. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 09: 23
    +13
    Quote: cedar
    She died. It was destroyed by the Bolsheviks, the Leninists ... BUT ... the Bolsheviks, the Stalinists rejoiced in a new incarnation, destroying the Leninists. So that the Bolsheviks discord Bolsheviks. The cult medal of Lenin has two sides ...

    What a mess!
    The cruelty of a person is determined not so much by his character as by the situation.
    I explain.
    Very often, real fiends are at the same time affectionate family men.
    And vice versa, domestic tyrants in the production environment are the lambs of God.

    For this reason, to oppose Lenin and Stalin in this case is stupid, senseless, and, most importantly, not scientific.

    I would look, for example, what would be done on the site of Lenin, during the formation of the state in conditions of complete hostility of the general bourgeois environment, with the occupation of the country on the outskirts by all the leading powers of the world .... humanists such as Sakharov or Mother Teresa.

    By the way, be careful.
    History tends to play different scenarios of development and return to the optimal and progressive.
    Soon the collected works of V.I. Lenin will again be studied in schools.
  23. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 09: 31
    +6
    Quote: Su24
    The church, the nobility and the peasantry are the historical pillars of Russia, while the Bolsheviks did everything to get rid of them for the sake of a false materialistic ideology.

    No one will argue with this, if we attribute everything to the XVIII century.
    And already in the XIX century the peasantry turned out and did not want the oppressed fate of the "pillar" for nothing.
    After the "liberation" of 1861, another famine happened in Russia - many peasants were plowing only with the expectation of themselves ...

    The nobility by this time has largely degenerated. Even many landowners performed their duties from St. Petersburg, Baden-Baden or Paris.

    Only the church remained ... Together with Rasputin and specific mercantile interests. Although there are no complaints here, except for one - yesterday's parishioners turned out to be carriers of "false materialistic ideology."
    So no one is false ...
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 10: 13
      +9
      Quote: Sergey S.
      The nobility by this time has largely degenerated. Even many landowners performed their duties from St. Petersburg, Baden-Baden or Paris.

      At the same time, having mortgaged and re-mortgaged their estates in banks, while the peasants, who were put into the conditions of the redemption of the land, were squirming as best they could.
      The size of the payment was determined based on the amount of the rent that the peasants paid before the reform of 1861.

      The loan provided by the state amounted to 75-80% of the debt. The remaining 20-25% of the peasants had to pay themselves, and not for 49 years, but at a time. But in reality, the peasants, of course, could not pay the full amount, and the landowners were allowed to do this by installments, for 3-10 years. And often the landowners replaced this duty with work on his land.

      Peasant reform defended the interests of the landlords. Redemption payments were much higher than the real value of the land. So in the chernozem landowners received a total of 342 million rubles with the real value of land - 284 million. You see, what is the difference - and this all fell on the shoulders of the peasants.
      http://poznaemvmeste.ru/index.php/126-terminy-ist
      oriya / 572-vykupnye-platezhi
  24. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs 4 November 2016 09: 34
    0
    "Democracy" vs "Capital" is a philosophy ... an eternal struggle .... and in a spiral. The pluses of "one" are the minuses of the "other" and vice versa.
  25. Boris55
    Boris55 4 November 2016 09: 37
    +7
    The Bolsheviks not only saved Russian civilization, but also freed the whole World from overt slavery.
    Many people remember Lenin’s phrase that there is such a party, but not everyone remembers what it was said about - Ciritelli, the chairman of the Duma, announced that everything was lost, Russia cannot be saved ...

    The Bolshevik party was small in number, many others joined its ranks, including the Trotskyists, which gives the right to the current Trotskyists to blame the Bolsheviks for all the atrocities committed by them.

    For clarity. Shot from the film Chapaev:


    A. Samsonov. November 7 - the day of the forgotten counter-revolution on November 7, 1927 was the first day of the Stalinist revolution from above, leading to changes and upheavals comparable to the events of 1917. I would like to see your article on this subject. Thank.
    1. rjxtufh
      rjxtufh 4 November 2016 14: 07
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      the day of the forgotten counter-revolution on November 7, 1927 was the first day of the Stalinist revolution from above, leading to changes and upheavals comparable to the events of 1917.

      In fact, in 1927. "Dzhugashvili and his comrades" carried out a reactionary coup. A reactionary coup is the opposite of a revolution. What kind of "Stalinist revolution from above can we talk about"?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 November 2016 15: 42
        +1
        Quote: rjxtufh
        In fact, in 1927. "Dzhugashvili and his comrades" carried out a reactionary coup. A reactionary coup is the opposite of a revolution. What kind of "Stalinist revolution from above can we talk about"?

        Stalin stopped the genocide of the Russian people carried out by the Trotskyists in the name of the world revolution. You can find fault with terminology, but it depends on who is looking at certain events from which side.
        1. rjxtufh
          rjxtufh 4 November 2016 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Stalin stopped the genocide of the Russian people carried out by the Trotskyists in the name of the world revolution.

          It’s just that I’ve gotten into a goiter. You seem to really live somewhere in the Looking Glass. In some other world.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 4 November 2016 18: 14
            0
            So to speak. We are on opposite sides of the mirror, and I guess which of us is not on that one. laughing Here below cedar Today, 11:47, posted an interesting picture. Read my koment to her.
  26. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 09: 38
    +2
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    How are things now with this? Will we invite Lenin and Trotsky again to save Russian civilization? From whom now must the defeat in the war be suffered for the victory of the "revolution"?

    You have expressed interesting thoughts.
    I suppose that very soon we will discuss the candidacies of ideological leaders.

    You just need to take into account historical experience and not bring all the problems together.

    But it will be necessary to separate oneself.
  27. Hapfri
    Hapfri 4 November 2016 09: 47
    +5
    State Duma deputy, ex-prosecutor of Crimea Natalya Poklonskaya wrote a post in LiveJournal in which she called Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong “monsters of the XNUMXth century.”

    Written correctly. Clever woman. And beautiful)))
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 4 November 2016 10: 15
      +10
      And what about Troykiy forgot? She mentioned him too. In general, a fool. Its ideal is the Romanovs, who introduced slavery (serfdom) and Russia turned into a completely illiterate population. If this is her ideal, then she will do everything to put it into practice. I feel sorry for those voters who elected her.
  28. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 09: 48
    +17
    Quote: Sharapov
    Anyone can try to swindle the Romanovs - they won't answer, and they won't be sued. Being essentially a "Maidan" from the past, Lenin and Bolshevism are not subject to praise. After the putsch and the civil war - the complete collapse of the economy and the army, the restoration of which the Russian people were engaged in until 1941. And leave the tales about free labor and imaginary benefits for the people to Zyuganov.

    It is not necessary to spoil the Romanovs, they have spoiled themselves beyond measure.
    If you don’t understand how, I’ll clarify.
    And you try to find the descendants of the Rurik and Gedeminovich;
    The Romanovs plagued all the ancient clans of Russia.
    This argument is not even about Nicholas the bloody ...

    Maidan - Maidan ...
    Yes, today, Maidan sounds disgusting.
    But the laws of nature cannot be undone.
    And as soon as the power is lost from the scientifically substantiated path of development of society, tensions will accumulate in society ... and at a certain moment it will explode !!!!!
    So it’s not the revolution or the Maidan that the words are not correct, but the concrete leaders that the people were shamed and the country was destroyed.
    I hope there’s no need to explain about Yanukovych?
    So, Nicholas the bloody brought much more harm to our Fatherland.

    Lenin and Stalin are not fluffy, not saints.
    But they knew how to do business and, most importantly, brought to a specific result.
    For this, sincere thanks to them from working people.
  29. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 09: 53
    +10
    Quote: sergo1914
    The article is a plus. A beautiful woman does not have to be smart. She's excusable. Well ... with the upcoming anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution

    I agree to all 100%

    That's just about beautiful women something stuck ...
    It just so happens that in the spring of 2014 there was one beauty, and in the fall of 2016, it already faded ...
    At least for me personally.
    Maybe I'm getting old ...
  30. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 4 November 2016 10: 03
    +5
    Quote: AlexDARK
    So they saved that the priests were burned, the Russian churches were destroyed, the language was changed, everything was renamed, overwriting history, they made "(at) the outskirts of (Little Russia) Russia" separate states, dividing one nation .. Something recent reminds, but no, this is you and me. The Saviors did their best ... And here the words about the "planted bomb" look extremely wise.

    And Mazepa, too, the Bolsheviks came up with?

    If you argue so primitively, then the recent leader with the opposite worldview is to blame.
    This logic is also demonstrated by those who today see all troubles in V.V. Putin.
  31. KBR109
    KBR109 4 November 2016 10: 08
    +9
    Is it good, is it bad, but in time - to the so-called National Unity Day. In Ukraine - Savchenko, in Russia Poklonskaya, also, incidentally, the Ukrainian flood. Not a word about her work in the committee, but to judge the great ones - she is the first. Extremely untimely self-PR. Come on, bring down Lenin, and we will erect monuments to local ideological Bandera (Vlasov A.A. or what?) A theme that is appropriate for the historian, but not for politics. Dizziness from success. One word is blonde.
  32. Iskander Sh
    Iskander Sh 4 November 2016 10: 10
    +1
    I beg you, Lenin did not save anyone, he had an idea for which he fought and won, destroying millions of lives.
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 52
      +9
      Quote: Iskander Sh
      Lenin did not save anyone, he had an idea for which he fought and won, destroying millions of lives.

      So those who fought against, are these innocent like lambs?
      Those who invited ANTANTA to their land, white and fluffy and Lenin is to blame? Those who are 41, fought in the ranks of the Wehrmacht and the SS are innocent, and Lenin is again to blame?
      Let me inquire, from which ranks and estates will you be, in the sense of your ancestors by the year 17, who were you?
  33. Sergei 68
    Sergei 68 4 November 2016 10: 21
    +3
    Or maybe she is the granddaughter of "Princess Anastasia"? and soon the grateful people will pray and return everything that is due by right? laughing
  34. cedar
    cedar 4 November 2016 10: 24
    +2
    Quote: Sergey S.
    The cruelty of a person is determined not so much by his character as by the situation.


    Your tales, to your children ...
    Lenin prepared, led and controlled, the very bourgeoisie surrounded by which he and his legion "turned out" ...
    The selection of leading cadres according to their business ... qualities was, is and will be the main task of the organizers of all, without exception, revolutions, wars and crises. With the hands of Lenin and Leninists, the foreign financial bourgeoisie, as a result of the coup and civil war, completely cut out the Russian bourgeois elite, i.e. leadership of the country. This bloody historical process is called-Competitive war of nations for resources. True, on Stalin, the foreign bourgeoisie slipped greatly and this saved Russia.
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 55
      +9
      Quote: cedar
      Your tales, to your children ...

      How often do you tell such tales to everyone, including your children?
      Quote: cedar
      Lenin prepared, led and controlled, the very bourgeoisie surrounded by which he and his legion "turned out" ...

      Where, how and by what facts is this your writings confirmed?
      Quote: cedar
      With the hands of Lenin and Leninists, the foreign financial bourgeoisie, as a result of the coup and civil war, completely cut out the Russian bourgeois elite, i.e. leadership of the country. This bloody historical process is called-Competitive war of nations for resources.

      Winder Christmas trees, thinking ... well, how is this tale confirmed? NOTHING, speculation.
      Quote: cedar
      True, on Stalin, the foreign bourgeoisie slipped greatly and this saved Russia.

      Another razvodilovo on the topic, the opposition of Lenin and Stalin, began Trotsky, continued in the 90 A. Yakovlev, how long will you write such tales?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 5 November 2016 07: 27
        0
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        Quote: cedar
        Lenin prepared, led and controlled, the very bourgeoisie surrounded by which he and his legion "turned out" ...
        Where, how and by what facts is this your writings confirmed?

        Aren't you confused by the fact that the end of the 2nd Congress of the RSDLP took place in London? Moving delegates, their accommodation, renting premises for the aforementioned congress ... Big money! Where did that "good uncle" come from? By the way, Leiba Davidovich, no matter how the nephew of the banker Zhivotovsky, began his activity at the same time!
  35. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 4 November 2016 10: 26
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir Matveev
    not expected. that she is so stupid

    well, here jokes about blondes just fit ... this enlightened "blonde". But seriously, there is no one in power to shove her so that she could cover her mouth and not disgrace No.
  36. runway
    runway 4 November 2016 10: 53
    +18
    She is not a fool she is a stupid fool, and this is much worse.
    At the same time, lying, lied that some veteran asked her to take out the portrait of Nikolai on May 2, 9 ....
    Spitting on the Soviet past, it aroused frank joy among those who are trying very hard to equate our country with fascist Germany. The prosecutor's office again did not see in her words the propaganda of fascism? One can only hope that the Chinese comrades will teach this fool to apologize for his verbal diarrhea.
    Now about the post Iskander Sh:
    Do you really think that the idea for which V.I. Lenin fought was not close and understandable to the majority of people of different nationalities, not only in Russia? We do not need to convince us that the idea of ​​building a state of workers and peasants is the idea of ​​a loner. Moreover, this idea has already been transformed into theory and confirmed in practice.
    As for the destruction of millions of lives, you should not forget about your saved lives in your court of law.
  37. EvgNik
    EvgNik 4 November 2016 11: 00
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Higher, middle and lower

    Well, yes, as usual with you: the elite and the smelly plebs (or losers, as you wish). Well, yes, and you are in the middle.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 4 November 2016 11: 37
      +2
      Yes, you are right, socially, university professors are in the "middle" category. Someone above, someone below - there are strata, i.e. school teachers are lower than teachers of the Armed Forces, and teachers of Moscow universities have a higher position than in regional ones, but on the whole you are right. And yes, again, you are right, there is a smelly plebs, and there is not a smelly one at all, but a lot (and very much!) Of decent working people for whom I have great respect. I have no respect for the stupid at all levels. And you?
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 4 November 2016 11: 44
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        But I don't feel any respect for stupid people at all levels. And you?

        Similarly. You are smart, but an enemy.
        1. rjxtufh
          rjxtufh 4 November 2016 14: 39
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          You are smart, but an enemy.

          He may be smart.
          But you don’t look smart, just think in such categories and make such statements.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 4 November 2016 16: 42
            0
            Quote: rjxtufh
            But you don’t look smart, just think in such categories and make such statements.

            rjxtufh, do not talk about what you have no idea. This is our fight with a caliber and there is no third place in it. He is my enemy and I said it directly. Do you have something against?
            1. rjxtufh
              rjxtufh 4 November 2016 20: 42
              +1
              Quote: EvgNik
              Do you have something against?

              Yes, I am against dividing the world into friends and enemies.
              The world, it is mainly composed of halftones. Even on old TV screens.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 4 November 2016 21: 55
                +2
                Yes, I am against dividing the world into friends and enemies.
                I know a world where there are no friends, no enemies, only partners ...
              2. EvgNik
                EvgNik 5 November 2016 05: 34
                0
                Quote: rjxtufh
                Yes, I am against dividing the world into friends and enemies.

                For God's sake, live in an illusory world, Where, as Leonid (Gardamir) said, there are only partners. But I live in real, and I don’t see partners at point blank range, I see enemies. And half-tones (in life both yours and ours?) Are good only in art, painting, for example.
                1. rjxtufh
                  rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 48
                  0
                  Quote: EvgNik
                  But I live in real, and I don’t see partners point blank, I see enemies.

                  You do not have much time left. Figuratively speaking.
                  1. EvgNik
                    EvgNik 6 November 2016 05: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: rjxtufh
                    You do not have much time left. Figuratively speaking.

                    I myself know that I have little time left, and to remind about this is at least tactless. Well, God be with you. I don’t understand the other thing, what the hell are we, people in general of the same opinion, though not always (judging by your comments) clinging? It would be because of what.
                    1. rjxtufh
                      rjxtufh 6 November 2016 11: 46
                      +1
                      Quote: EvgNik
                      and at least tactless to remind about it

                      Actually, I expressed FIGURALLY and not at all relative to age. It says there, you just had to carefully read what was written.
                      Quote: EvgNik
                      we people, in general, of the same views, though not always (judging by your comments) grappled

                      Yes, I did not grapple with you. Just discussing.
                      Let's interrupt if it is a burden to you. Yes
                      1. EvgNik
                        EvgNik 6 November 2016 11: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: rjxtufh
                        and not at all relative to age

                        I also not only mean age

                        Quote: rjxtufh
                        Let's interrupt if it's a burden to you

                        I agree.
  38. vowa48
    vowa48 4 November 2016 11: 15
    +6
    Fiends are people (or nonhumans) who have sent millions of people in the name of an idea (good or not) to the next world. And whitewash them with high ideas is not worth it. A revolution is always a sea of ​​blood and the Bolsheviks succeeded in this: two examples: the first Crimea 20 years 120 people were executed or drowned, the second 21 years Tambov province, the uprising of peasants more than 50 people. shot and poisoned with gas, about 100 people were exiled, the first used gas against their own population and took hostage members of families and children aged 1 to 10 years, and they shot every 10 of every 5 for participating in the uprising. The Tambov province as the largest peasant formation in Russia is divided between 4 regions and the division lasted until 54 years with the creation of the Lipetsk region. The peasantry as a class ceased to exist in Russia. These are two examples of Lenin’s personal orders. Whether he is a monster or not, anyone can decide now, taking into account history, and one does not have to be a monarchist or a liberal or a communist saying that Lenin, Trotsky and so on are Bloody. In the first period of the war, the Russian army always retreated, escaped, and it was still moribund in 1812 and in 1914 and 1941 until tough measures were taken, this is simply a fact and there is nothing surprising here.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 4 November 2016 16: 18
      +5
      Sent, of course sent to the other world. tens ... not hundreds of millions.
      Sent to the other world during the Great Troubles, I know for sure that the Bolsheviks did it. For the sake of the great goal - to cut a window into Europe, they also sent, and according to some estimates, almost half of Russia's population to the other world. And again the Bolsheviks.
      I remember there were some Razin, Bolotnikov, Pugachev. how many kings were sent there?
      Oh yes, these were the Bolsheviks.
      And in Civil so that you were aware that the whites sent to the next world almost more than the Reds, the Kolchakites in Siberia were especially atrocious, which caused an uprising of Siberian peasants, who began to go over to the Reds on a massive scale.
      And how many princes in Russia killed in their internecine showdowns, the blood in the veins gets cold. And they killed each other like pigs.
      Probably all of them were Bolsheviks.
  39. user3970
    user3970 4 November 2016 11: 20
    +7
    Regarding Poklonskaya ... Does she have children? Age? Climax? They say the women hit the brain great? The absence of a man in a bed? Damn, what else can explain such a suit at such a position? Vova the Dark One again as with a Serdyukov’s brain twisted. I would appoint Nyasha as ambassador to Japan! Yapps would overthrow the emperor and choose Nyasha.
    1. the lord
      the lord 4 November 2016 21: 31
      +4
      Yes, she is married, even a married one, I don't know who her husband is. Maybe just one of the notorious? So she tries to make the metric of her children one day from a piece of paper become a security. As in that vaudeville - "My famous princely title, this, mind you, is also a commodity. To hot feelings money in addition, well, otherwise, orevoir"
  40. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 4 November 2016 11: 22
    +3
    If Nicholas II was even a little bit like Nicholas I, who decisively suppressed the performance of the British agents in the person of the Decembrists, Russia would have fought with Germany against Britain in the WWII, the imperial fleet would have been in Constantinople, and the imperial soldiers would have been walking around Tower and Buckingham Palace. But alas - History does not tolerate subjunctive moods.
    And my opinion about Poklonskaya has changed for the worse sad
  41. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 4 November 2016 11: 28
    +3
    Mao is truly a criminal. By his policy, he killed people no less than the Japanese invaders, and drove the country's economy into even deeper ....
    If not for Deng Xiaoping, today there would have been neither China nor the Chinese.
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 4 November 2016 11: 58
      +8
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Mao is truly a criminal.

      Not for you to judge.
      The Chinese, namely Deng Xiao Ping, as the architect of the reforms in China, accepted the postulate that the MAO had 30% errors and 70% valuable and necessary for the development of the country, all this question has been closed in CHINA.
  42. MrK
    MrK 4 November 2016 11: 33
    +5
    Quote: svp67
    But I would recommend Poklonskaya to be more careful in her statements, it’s kind of like in the SECURITY Committee

    What to do. Every young woman has regular critical days. But not every woman turns her brains on such days
  43. cedar
    cedar 4 November 2016 11: 47
    +3
    Quote: vowa48
    Fiends are people (or nonhumans) who have sent millions of people in the name of an idea (good or not) to the next world. And whitewash them with high ideas is not worth it. A revolution is always a sea of ​​blood and the Bolsheviks succeeded in this: two examples: the first Crimea 20 years 120 people were executed or drowned, the second 21 years Tambov province, the uprising of peasants more than 50 people. shot and poisoned with gas, about 100 people were exiled, the first used gas against their own population and took hostage members of families and children aged 1 to 10 years, and they shot every 10 of every 5 for participating in the uprising. The Tambov province as the largest peasant formation in Russia is divided between 4 regions and the division lasted until 54 years with the creation of the Lipetsk region. The peasantry as a class ceased to exist in Russia. These are two examples of Lenin’s personal orders.


    The result of the Civil was monstrous! 12 750 000 victims brought to the New World Order ... in Russia.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 4 November 2016 15: 06
      +7
      Modest, some kind of sign. Without scope. The classics of anti-communism consider the "victims of the communists" to be tens of millions.
      And, the combat losses of the Bolsheviks, of course, "women give birth."
      "Lie, so lie" - Goebbels himself bequeathed wink
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 4 November 2016 15: 56
        0
        Judging by the table, the Trotskyists who carried out the genocide of the Russian people surpassed the whites ... Who forgot, Trotsky fled to Turkey only in the 30th year, and how many of his followers remained in power ...
        1. rjxtufh
          rjxtufh 4 November 2016 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Judging by the table, the Trotskyists

          It is not entirely clear why "Trotskyists", why not "Leninists". If my memory serves me in those years, the main leader was a certain Ulyanov named Lenin. It was he who prepared and directed the Bolshevik putsch of early January 1918. And then, almost until his death.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 5 November 2016 09: 11
            +1
            Find on the Internet the number of the Bolshevik party before and compare it after - then you will understand that behind the Bolsheviks stood the villains who today attribute all their atrocities to the Bolsheviks.
            The Bolsheviks are those who fought for the interests of the majority. In principle, they could not destroy those for whose happiness they fought.
            The Trotskyists have one peculiarity - they always find the sacrificial sheep and put it to the slaughter while they themselves remain in the shade. In this case, Bolshevism acts as a sheep.
            1. rjxtufh
              rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 51
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              behind the Bolsheviks stood the villains who today attribute all their atrocities to the Bolsheviks.

              Read above, there are the sayings and demands of Ulyanov named Lenin. What then can be "attributed to the Bolsheviks"?
              Quote: Boris55
              The Bolsheviks are those who fought for the interests of the majority.

              That's what this gang was doing in the last turn, this is it.
              1. the lord
                the lord 5 November 2016 23: 40
                +1
                Those. in the last turn, they provided the country with industry accessible by science, education, medicine. Yes, the Bolsheviks did not care. All this was already in Russia.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 6 November 2016 09: 23
                  0
                  Quote: znavel
                  Yes, the Bolsheviks did not care. All this was already in Russia.

                  Does this statement by Churchill tell you about anything: "Stalin took the country with a plow and left it with an atomic bomb"?
                  Industry in tsarist Russia was in its infancy. 80% of the population are lawless, illiterate peasants.
                  1. rjxtufh
                    rjxtufh 6 November 2016 12: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Does this statement by Churchill tell you about anything: "Stalin took the country with a plow and left it with an atomic bomb"?

                    Churchill was a clever man. Therefore, he did not say that.
                    As for "with a plow", Dzhugashvili got the USSR for himself (still with his comrades) in 1927. Prior to that, the Bolshevik bacchanalia continued for 10 years in the country. Who is to blame for this?
                    Besides, with the "atomic bomb" in 1953. The USSR was not. Work on atomic weapons was still underway. After the death of Dzhugashvili, it was the atomic bomb that was created. And only Khrushchev left the USSR with atomic weapons in his hands.
                    Those. the concepts of "nuclear explosive device", "atomic bomb" and "nuclear weapon" are not the same thing.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Industry in tsarist Russia was in its infancy.

                    What nonsense. Russia at the beginning of the 20th century built squadron battleships. The top of high-tech products in those years. Yes, they were poor. But in those days they were built by no more than 5-7 countries in the world.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    80% of the population are lawless, illiterate peasants.

                    And again, nonsense. The peasants felt quite normal in the early 20th century. in Russia. The catastrophe occurred later, when part of the peasants was scorched by fire, and the rest were turned into collective farmers.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 6 November 2016 12: 31
                      0
                      Quote: rjxtufh
                      And again, nonsense.

                      Then explain: why did the people surrender the tsar, but stood up for Stalin as a mountain? The enemy was the same.
                      1. rjxtufh
                        rjxtufh 6 November 2016 22: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Boris55
                        why the people surrendered the tsar, but stood up for Stalin

                        Did you stand up for Dzhugashvili? But what for did he surrender to him (the people, for the most part non-party)?
                        And the people did not give up the king. There is a much more complicated story.
                2. rjxtufh
                  rjxtufh 6 November 2016 11: 54
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                  Quote: znavel
                  Those. in the last turn, they provided the country with industry accessible by science, education, and medicine

                  Exactly. You are amazingly accurate in your definitions.
                  True, the Bolsheviks of the USSR did provide some of the science and industry. But it cost an incredible amount, almost 30 million lives of fellow citizens. Absolutely unacceptable price.
                  But with education and medicine in the USSR there was a complete blockage. All this was in its infancy. Although these areas had their ascetics.
              2. murriou
                murriou 8 November 2016 16: 55
                +1
                Quote: rjxtufh
                Read above, there are the sayings and requirements of the Ulyanov nicknamed Lenin.

                If you really knew how to read something besides your own nonsense, you would notice that you have been repeatedly pointed out to the rigging: the "quotes" in this list do not at all correspond to the sources from which they are allegedly taken.

                But to you, the bakers, all of God's dew: you were caught lying in one place, they went to another one to spoil it.

                Quote: rjxtufh
                What then can be "attributed to the Bolsheviks"?

                The most ordinary laughing on which you are constantly caught, but you change the training manual less frequently than the homeless sweatshirt - and it stinks with you no less. lol
                1. Bloodsucker
                  Bloodsucker 8 November 2016 16: 59
                  +1
                  To me these characters "fierce" here in lies, remind me of this miracle
                  "Russian civilization does not give people anything except filth, alcoholism and the abomination of desolation. By its nature, it can give nothing."

                  "Until then I hate, I can’t even eat."

                  “Russia is evil. Enchantingly stupid country ruled by enchantingly stupid corrupt officials. "

                  "Village Soviet, stupid man at the moron."

                  "Russia must be weak and fragmented."

                  “Don't let this country rise from its knees, under any guise. Then you will regret it, but it will be too late. Only weak. Only shattered. Russia is evil. "
                  The name of this angry citizen is Mikhail Verbitsky.
                  Today, he is nowhere, as they say, not working, but for some reason he lives not in Harvard or Glasgow, but in Moscow. He strives mainly in the field of the Internet, calling himself a network publicist.
                  https://cont.ws/post/423407
                  Quote: murriou
                  The most ordinary on which you are constantly caught, but you change the training manual less frequently than the homeless sweatshirt - and it stinks no less.

                  Precise definition

                  Seriously, he is an employee of the HSE Laboratory of Algebraic Geometry, address: Moscow, ul. Usacheva, 6. On the laboratory's website https://ag.hse.ru there is a schedule of seminars. You will find photos of him on the Web in quantity. Keep in mind, teaching love of Russia does not imply murder. Good luck
                  1. rjxtufh
                    rjxtufh 9 November 2016 01: 06
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                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    The name of this angry citizen is Mikhail Verbitsky.

                    I didn’t understand. Am I Verbitsky?
                    This is something new. As soon as I was not called on this site. But M. Verbitsky, for the first time.
                    Bloodthirsty, you traditionally got your finger in ..., well, I'll tell you later where. Next time take a piece of paper thicker.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 4 November 2016 16: 21
      +3
      It is terrible of course, but not the Reds who started the Civil War.
      This is understandable, the war was unleashed by those who wanted to regain the lost power. Ie those who swore allegiance to the Provisional Government.
      This, of course, is their right, but also the right to defend their power, no one can take from the Bolsheviks.
      1. rjxtufh
        rjxtufh 4 November 2016 21: 00
        +2
        Quote: Ulan
        It is terrible of course, but not the Reds who started the Civil War.

        Opanki!
        Is it like that? And who in January 1918. committed an armed seizure of power (putsch), overthrowing the legitimate Constituent Assembly? After losing the election to it.
        Quote: Ulan
        Ie those who swore allegiance to the Provisional Government.

        Do you know at least a little history of the country under whose flag you write? It’s a shame to know nothing at all.
        The Provisional Government existed ONLY before the Constituent Assembly elections. These elections were held at the end of 1917. The Bolsheviks lost the election, and then in early 1918. they carried out an armed coup and dispersed the legitimate Constituent Assembly.
        As a result of this, Russia, as a single state, fell apart. And also the Civil War began.
        It’s amazing. But they don’t know the whole history of their country.
        1. the lord
          the lord 4 November 2016 21: 40
          +2
          And it is not from the activities of the white whites that they begin the civil war? And according to the experience of our recent history, the dispersal of the foundation, the great feat of the Bolsheviks. It’s even scary to imagine what in such an assembly the talkers could have heaped up a completely warring country and with what consequences. Many of the Russians right now and Russian would not know at all. And how many Russians right now would be under the absolute external control of the colonialists. In the north, we especially felt it well, with a pull.
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 5 November 2016 20: 57
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            Quote: znavel
            It’s even scary to imagine what in such an assembly the talkers could have heaped up a completely warring country and with what consequences.

            Really. It’s even scary to suppose.
            Whether it is the Bolsheviks. They just took and modestly knocked out before Germany. And without any consequences, probably?
            Quote: znavel
            And how many Russians right now would be under the absolute external control of the colonialists.

            And what, the Bolshevik foreign colonizers are somehow closer to your body?
            1. the lord
              the lord 5 November 2016 23: 49
              +1
              When you are delirious, turn to your psychiatrist, where did you see "foreign" Bolsheviks. Do you mean Bela Kun? Well, recruit a couple of thousand volunteers from all over the world, the rest of our dear ones. So to speak, Russian citizens. It is thanks to them that we communicate in Cyrillic in Russian, and not in the Deutschedialect.
              Regarding the Brest-Litovsk Peace Treaty that you so often commemorate, what alternative did Russia have? And why don't we recall Lenin's notes about its necessity? Why do not we refer to his assertions that this is only a respite (i.e., not for long), that it is necessary for the strength to save up? Here we shyly keep quiet about the statehood of thinking of the "usurper" so hated by all dwarfs. Is it unpleasant to realize that such a peace was determined by the simple inability of our troops to continue the war?
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 6 November 2016 12: 20
                +1
                Quote: znavel
                where did you see "foreign" Bolsheviks

                A whole carriage arrived from abroad. "Make a revolution." At the same time, which is typical, already AFTER the bourgeois revolution in Russia. Those. in fact, these scoundrels went to Russia (that is, they were sent into the country by the enemy, Germany) with banal sabotage goals. And, I must say, in the future they quite succeeded in their endeavors.
                Quote: znavel
                It is thanks to them that we communicate in Russian in Cyrillic, and not in a do-it-yourself dialect.

                What about the Bolsheviks? The Soviet people fought with the Germans. Non-partisan in its bulk.
                Quote: znavel
                Why not refer to his claims that this is only a respite (i.e. not for long), that it is necessary for the forces to accumulate?

                I'm tired of your Bolshevik nonsense back in the days of the USSR. Here, honestly. Even then, everyone "in the kitchens" laughed at these quirks of lecturers.
                Quote: znavel
                Is it unpleasant to realize that such a world was determined by the simple inability of our troops to continue the war?

                Well, and about this, why lie? Until the Bolsheviks spread out the army and dispersed it, it kept itself in front of itself.
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 4 November 2016 22: 00
          +3
          Really amazing. I already wrote everything about this before. Armed resistance to the Bolsheviks Alekseev, Kornilov began to organize immediately, in November-December 17th in the Don, BEFORE the Constituent Assembly was convened and dispersed, it was not at all an occasion for the creation of a Volunteer Army.
          These are such a shit.
          1. rjxtufh
            rjxtufh 5 November 2016 21: 00
            +1
            Quote: Ulan
            Armed resistance to the Bolsheviks Alekseev, Kornilov began to organize immediately, in November-December 17th in the Don,

            In fact, the Bolsheviks ousted the consensus Provisional Government. Who gave them the right to do so?
            Quote: Ulan
            and its dispersal was not at all an occasion for the creation of a Volunteer Army.

            Those. like this? An armed coup (putsch) took place in the country, but is this not a reason for resistance to it?
            Do you sometimes hear yourself from the outside?
            1. the lord
              the lord 5 November 2016 23: 59
              +3
              And this funny word "consensus" was known in those days?))) Will you also state why human rights to slaves were not extended in Rome?)))) It was the world of colonial empires, "consensus" brought the country to the handle. So when the Bolsheviks came to power in St. Petersburg, Provence remained for three days ...
              The overthrow of the temporary led to the establishment of Soviet power in most of the country. when this happens, of course. opponents have a desire to resist, but in conditions. when the country is still at war, it looks at least like treason. And what could be worse than treason? That's right, stupidity at the state level. Which is all white-celled and manifested. One could indulge about the wickedness of the Bolsheviks, if there had not been a civil war or if it had lasted a couple of months, well, six months. But, to your misfortune, it lasted much longer and very specifically set all the points regarding the law of one or another Russia. Here the Bolsheviks, as in judo, have Ippon and Sorry-mat! Clear victory!
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 6 November 2016 12: 26
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                Quote: znavel
                Was this funny word "consensus" known in those days?

                Educated and competent people before the Bolsheviks were found in the camp, do not hesitate.
                Quote: znavel
                So, until the Bolsheviks came to power in St. Petersburg, there was only three days left for ....

                Yes, what can I say, for 3 hours. Or better for 3 minutes. So it will be creepy.
                Quote: znavel
                The overthrow of the temporary led to the establishment of Soviet power in most of the country

                It is a pity that "most of the country" did not know about this.
                Quote: znavel
                And what could be worse than treason?

                To confront the Provisional Government, valor. Resist the Bolsheviks, exactly in the same conditions, treason.
                What do you drink or smoke?
            2. Ulan
              Ulan 6 November 2016 17: 32
              +2
              And who gave the right to those who created the Provisional Government to overthrow the legitimate emperor?
              All on this, the Provisional Government cannot be considered any legal; it is the government of the coup plotters. If the February putschists had the right to resist, the October putschists, then the October putschists had the right to defend their power.
              The good thing is that you admitted that it was the Februaryists who started the resistance, that is, the civil war.
              1. rjxtufh
                rjxtufh 6 November 2016 21: 24
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                Quote: Ulan
                And who gave the right to those who created the Provisional Government to overthrow the legitimate emperor?

                You at least learn the basics of history. The interim government did not overthrow anyone. After Nicholas II renounced power (and the benefit of his brother), the latter instructed to determine the fate of power in Russia by the Constituent Assembly. The elections which were to be held at the end of 1917. Until then, power in the country was transferred to the Provisional Government. Which was formed on the basis of the Provisional Committee of the Duma. Interestingly, the composition of the Provisional Government was agreed, incl. and with the Petrograd Soviet.
                In March 1917 The interim government was recognized by Britain, France, the United States and Italy. Those. it was a normal legitimate authority in Russia. Temporary, before the election to the Constituent Assembly, which was to form the new authorities.
                The Bolsheviks lost the elections to the Constituent Assembly (won by B. Savenkov, later declared by the Bolsheviks a "terrorist"), after which in early January 1918. they carried out an armed coup d'état (putsch).
                Quote: Ulan
                The good thing is that you admitted that it was the Februaryists who started the resistance, that is, the civil war.

                Where could you subtract such nonsense from me? You have something with eyesight.
                The Bolsheviks began the civil war, having made a coup.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 6 November 2016 21: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: rjxtufh
                  In March 1917 The interim government was recognized by Britain, France, the United States and Italy. Those. it was a normal legitimate authority in Russia.

                  I do not understand what inferiority complex or what? What do these same countries have to do with the legitimacy of the Provisional Government?
                  1. Ulan
                    Ulan 6 November 2016 22: 26