China acquires two Be-200 amphibious aircraft from Russia

At the Zhuhai China Air Show, United Aircraft Corporation entered into a contract with Leader Energy Aircraft Manufacturing Co Ltd (PRC) for the supply of X-NUMX's Be-2 seaplanes, reports bmpd with reference to the Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov.

“An agreement was signed on the supply of two plus two Be-200, the first delivery in 2018,” said Manturov.

The representative of the KLA clarified that "the agreement was concluded on the supply of two Be-200 and two more in the option."

“We hope that the first swallow will give impetus to further purchases. We hope to load capacity and get a total portfolio of orders somewhere 20-25 aircraft ", - said the Russian minister.

According to Vasily Kashin, an employee of the Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences, “apparently, Leader Energy Aircraft Manufacturing Co Ltd. It is associated with state-owned Chinese companies - aircraft manufacturing AVIC and the corporation of electronic technology enterprises CETC, while it has its own business in the provision of services aviation general purpose. "

Help bmpd: “The Be-200 seaplane was developed in the 90. and to date, purchased by the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Russia (6 units) and Azerbaijan (one unit). Now there is another EMERCOM order for eight cars and the Russian Ministry of Defense - for six units. Its production was initially deployed at the Irkutsk Aircraft Corporation "Irkut", then transferred to the Taganrog aircraft plant TANTK them. Beriev, the first machine of Taganrog production took off this year. ”

Comments

[mig29mks]

let the fires learn to extinguish, otherwise we all go to the rescue !!!

[Giant thought]

An excellent Be-200 aircraft, I personally witnessed its fire-fighting activities, I will say that it is amazing. The Chinese are not lost in the fact that they acquire these masterpieces from Russia.

[Maksus]

Well, soon it will be produced like some kind of Nanjing or DzhiFang, and we are not a penny ...

[bastard]

Quote: Maksus

Well, soon it will be produced like some kind of Nanjing or DzhiFang, and we are not a penny ...

Quote: Hunter

Do you know how much Russia earns from extinguishing fires, just using these aircraft? Well, of course, our country is rich, let the Chinese earn extra money now!

And they will copy, albeit shitty, and put up for cheap for sale right next to ours.

[Bath]

We are waiting for the appearance of the Chinese amphibian aircraft vigorous loaf of tea, chew suhach))))

[Hunt]

Do you know how much Russia earns from extinguishing fires, just using these aircraft? Well, of course, our country is rich, let the Chinese earn extra money now!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Hunter

Do you know how much Russia earns from extinguishing fires, just using these aircraft? Well, of course, our country is rich, let the Chinese earn extra money now!

please - voice the numbers! Is it comparable with the sale of an entire aircraft ?!

[siberalt]

Two aircraft for copycatch to the Chinese is quite enough. Soon the whole world will push fires with Chinese aircraft

[donavi49]

And what's the point then on the plane?

There is no export. Azerbaijan alone bought the load. There are no more export contracts. Indonesia jumped off - they signed their intentions, and then reallocated the budget and canceled the basic contract. There are no other customers.

The new production in Taganrog is rising with great difficulty (the designated aircraft was supposed to be delivered before the 2014 of the year, and it only made its first flight this year). But it still rises, and then what? Will they build 14 boards and all? Curl up? With difficulty recruited and trained personnel to disperse?

Selling a pair to China - will give hope in two directions:
1) Get additional orders from China.
2) Use a solid contract as an argument in promoting other customers.

Make a copy? They can. But the market for such aircraft is very small. Since they are expensive and are used infrequently. Especially large boats. From here, by the way, the current disastrous situation with the Be-200 export comes out. Most traditional customers simply will not raise such an aircraft and they do not need it. Wealthy customers are already sitting on someone else’s technology. And the place is full. Well, the rest is more profitable to rent / ask for help - when disaster and fires go. How to maintain your own fleet of large boats.

And yes, they have, for example, from yesterday’s topic 200 + Mi-8 - and they did not copy it, but order a little more. Also, the second Ka-32 foreign park - and they did not copy it, but order it again, although unlike the Mi-8 = they very much appreciate (in the sense of Mi - a workhorse, nothing surprising, but Ka) and use it in the most critical operations. For example, in the Antarctic.

[GSH-18]

China acquires two Be-200 amphibious aircraft from Russia

Again for copy paste?

[Kasym]

The Russian Federation has signed an intellectual property agreement with the PRC (something like that). I do not think that it is now beneficial for the PRC to spoil relations when the United States designated S. Korea, the Russian Federation and the PRC as the main threat. It’s easier for them to organize the assembly at home with the help of the Russian Federation. But I do not think that for such a specific machine they will establish production. They indicated their interest in Russia in the field of civil aviation: a joint helicopter and a wide-body.
The Be-200 is effective with a very trained and experienced crew. The speed of the aircraft during the discharge of water is higher than that of analogues. Therefore, experienced pilots are needed.
Interestingly, showing their fifth-generation fighter, they buy a Su-5.

[Bath]

China doesn’t give a damn what they think about them, only his own matters for him, and we won’t get anywhere from the submarine

[Observer2014]

China acquires two Be-200 amphibious aircraft from Russia

Take a couple. See for a divorce.

[Red_Hamer]

yeah, they took 2 Be-200s, and in a couple of years they will have just 200 of them, though it is no longer "Be", and not even "Me", but simply X!

[x.andvlad]

China acquires two Be-200 amphibious aircraft from Russia
One in order to disassemble to a screw and make a copy.
And the second, in order to compare with the original what they will succeed.

[78bor1973]

It makes no sense to copy it, the market for these aircraft is very small, and for a long time, it’s easier to buy, there are planes easier to copy!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Red_Hamer

yeah, they took 2 Be-200s, and in a couple of years they will have just 200 of them, though it is no longer "Be", and not even "Me", but simply X!

something our still can’t copy Ukrainian engines, for our frigates, and the Chinese will copy a whole plane in a couple of years! What nonsense in general ...

[x.andvlad]

Well, not in a couple of years, so in 5 or 7. What is the difference?
If they needed them for direct use, then most likely they would have taken not a couple of pieces.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Red_Hamer

in a couple of years they will have them just 200

Do you know how many years the Be-6s have copied?

[Warrior with machine gun]

so recently there was an article about their amphibian AG 600, so they took ours to disassemble and eliminate childhood diseases of their saucepan.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Warrior with machine gun

so recently there was an article about their amphibian AG 600, so they took ours to disassemble and eliminate childhood diseases of their saucepan.

the first delivery will only be in 2018, and even years will go on copying, as they are afraid. In the hangar for storage, or something to push their pepelats at this time?

[rotmistr60]

contract for the supply of 2 Be-200 seaplanes

By purchasing these aircraft do not lose, but only win. Beriev’s planes are truly unique. And the matter is not only in extinguishing forest fires, but also rescue operations at sea.
In the 70s, it was necessary to observe the development of take-off and landing on the water yet BE-12 (anti-submarine), a beautiful sight.

[Hunt]

What can I say, soon China will begin to produce very similar to our aircraft, their aircraft! Give technology at the price of two products with an option for two more ??? Is it too cheap?

[Stirbjorn]

what technology? Airplanes are sold without any technology. Or only sell oil and gas or what?

[78bor1973]

For this aircraft, this amount is the most acceptable considering that they are released in units!

[nnm]

disassemble, learn ..... and there will be a Chinese clone

[Mikado]

I wanted to say the same thing. Let our "dream" of 20-25 cars. Two is enough for the Chinese! They will disassemble it to a screw, copy it down to a screw, and, as they say correctly, there will soon be 200 of them, and they will also be cheaper than ours. And to all questions about copyright - "How dare you, this is our own Chinese development!"

[Stirbjorn]

Yes, it’s easier for them to issue planes with us under a license, less hemorrhoids with copying. These amphibians are piece goods in general, 200 pieces are not needed at all. We have only 6 of them, and in other countries they are also being driven

[Mikado]

wait and see.

[Olegmog]

We sell BE 200 to China and note the time required for production already
his car TYPE 200 .... !!

[lis-ik]

As correctly answered above, there is no point in copying and mass production, these are really piece-wise and highly specialized machines. It’s really cheaper to just buy, copying is also not cheap, and for this niche is pointless.

[exo]

Japanese Shin Maeve, already stolen. Next in line: Be-200. How easily we give, by and large, our developments.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Do you offer to refuse to sell? if they want it, they can easily be outbid from the carriage. I personally doubt that the benefits of producing 20-25 aircraft outweigh the costs of developing and launching production ...

[dauria]

I personally doubt that the benefits of producing 20-25 aircraft outweigh the costs of developing and launching production ...

then why not immediately order the entire batch of 25 aircraft? Want to try? There is a rental for this. Or let us try ...
If the plant is in a desperate situation, there is OWN state for this.
Little 130th Yak. So Be too unique car. And it will not become obsolete soon, so the Chinese will do it themselves. Why should they depend on someone?
And on occasion - "and live on what?" - so not a fig to buy hammers and asynchronous engines with cowards in China. It would be fine what we do not know how to do. The market itself was given away. We develop them - they give us a wagon of cowards, fun ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

they order to try, in order to look and dig (to test), on the one hand they will sort it out, study, evaluate, there will be food for the mind of their engineers, on the other hand they will compare it with analogs (they have Japanese analogues there) and decide what to buy, because to produce a specific technique is disadvantageous. and they simply can’t simply copy, what is visible in the finished product has already been patented, and there will not be and will not be access to production technology (plant)!

and in general, the be200 also has drawbacks, as far as I know from competitors it’s better to land with greater excitement, maybe it’s a lie, because it was said in the advertisements of competitors, so China will get the opportunity to check and evaluate ...

[gray smeet]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

Do you offer to refuse to sell? if they want it, they can easily be outbid from the carriage.

Outbid from Indonesia !!! They are BE-200 4pcs. purchased ....

First, Indonesia, now China .... And there for China, and others catch up ..

[donavi49]

Not. They concluded their intentions - and then they had money. It didn’t happen and hung up.

Here is the latest September news:
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160927/1477957447
.html
"I am aware of the interest of Indonesia (in the Be-200 amphibious aircraft - ed.) And discussions of this issue, however, this all involves research and consultations of certain ministries and agencies in Indonesia, so it’s too early to talk about any progress on this topic.", - said the deputy head of the Indonesian diplomatic mission in Russia.

Goreslavsky, in turn, noted that at the Hydroaviasalon exhibition in Gelendzhik, the Indonesian delegation showed interest in Russian amphibious aircraft, and preliminary negotiations were held there. He noted that Indonesian partners can visit aircraft manufacturing plants.

"Great work ahead... We will hope that their interest in our Be-200 vehicles will continue, "Goreslavsky told reporters.

[Kibalchish]

I don’t understand such comments! Does the article say that planes are sold together with documentation? If you argue like that, then you need to sit and don’t sell anything to anyone, so God forbid that you don’t copy anything. If we do not sell, then what kind of shishy factories exist? How much money to upgrade production, do new developments?

[gray smeet]

Quote: Kibalchish

I don’t understand such comments! Does the article say that planes are sold together with documentation? If you argue like that, then you need to sit and don’t sell anything to anyone, so God forbid that you don’t copy anything. If we do not sell, then what kind of shishy factories exist? How much money to upgrade production, do new developments?

Do not understand you on this site! Here it is necessary either or

[ancient]

Quote: Kibalchish

Does the article say that planes are sold together with documentation?

In an article from "aviaspela" it is just written that they are selling (like they signed a clontract), but in fact Manturov said .... "AGREEMENT signed" about this and that ... ...
Similarly, in Indonesia

[bardadym]

Yeah ... Chinese Aircraft (not rescuers, not military, not even carriers) the company buys TWO plane.

And after that the phrase sounds:
“We hope that the first swallow will give an impetus to further purchases. We hope to load capacities and get a total order portfolio of somewhere between 20-25 aircraft, ”the Russian minister said.

What do we have, Minister - * there was supposed to be a medical term for a person suffering from a deep form of mental retardation *?

[sergeyzzz]

Quote: bardadym

What do we have, Minister - * there should have been a medical term for a person suffering from a deep form of mental retardation *?

Otherwise, he would not have become a minister

[Titsen]

Quote: mig29mks

let the fires learn to extinguish, otherwise we all go to the rescue !!!

They do not learn to learn, but COPY!

Azatem to sell cheap fakes!

[Karaul73]

“We hope that the first swallow will give an impetus to further purchases. We hope to load capacities and get a total order portfolio of somewhere between 20-25 aircraft, ”the Russian minister said
Wait for the new Chinese amphibious aircraft. They will buy a maximum of 2-3 pieces, and then copies.

[Banishing liberoids]

Again a couple of pieces for learning and copying !!! In my opinion, it is better not to sell less than 30 units of any equipment to the Chinese !!!! just contact them, then we’ll tear off the hair on our heads.

[3vs]

"We hope that the first swallow will give an impulse for further purchases. We hope to load capacities and get a total order book of about 20-25 aircraft," the Russian minister said.
I think we don’t have to hope for it, one plane will be dismantled for spare parts for copying,
and there you see something Chinese appears, "remarkably similar" to our BE-200 ...

[Delink]

So soon we will see another copy of our plaques.

[Evil 55]

So, soon we are expecting another NEW model of a Chinese seaplane at the price of a plastic Pokemon with the name "Low-flying Dragon, drinking water from any puddle" and the abbreviation "BeKit-2018" ..

[Lumumba]

Most users of this site do not understand a few commonplace things:

1). There is a globalization. Among other things, globalization implies a gradual abandonment of the institution of copyright, patent law and the closeness of technology. Yes! Exactly! Welcome to the world Open Source и Open technology. Possessing such and such technologies is no longer a competitive advantage.
2). The competitive advantage will not be "unique technology", but quality, functionality and price. For example, this means that iPhones are the end. The iPhone is a bygone era: An inadequately expensive device with a deluxe set of features and closed technologies.
3). An interesting paradox will arise: the “steer” on the planet will not be the country with “thicker patents”, but the country that will be able to create fundamentally new ones. open technology, not a "long forgotten old" type of iPhone, which does not contain anything fundamentally new. These are, for example, optronics, nanotechnology, real artificial intelligence, fundamentally new sources of energy. And immediately behind it will be a country that knows how to put all this on a mass conveyor as quickly and cheaply as possible.
4). And finally, things like the principles of reverse engineering and reverse engineering are also, by the way, technologies.

It cannot be stopped, it is a matter of time. China realized this a long time ago. This is gradually reaching the American multinationals. And the sooner it gets to us, the better. The time "who has a thicker engine" has passed irrevocably, people wake up, and accept the new world. Otherwise, he will "accept" you.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Lumumba

There is a globalization. Among other things, globalization implies a gradual abandonment of the institution of copyright, patent law and the closeness of technology. Yes! Exactly! Welcome to the world of Open Source and Open Technology. Possessing such and such technologies is no longer a competitive advantage.

This is nonsense of pure water. On the contrary everywhere there is a tightening of copyright and an extension of validity.

Quote: Lumumba

The competitive advantage will not be "unique technology", but quality, functionality and price. For example, this means that iPhones are the end. The iPhone is a bygone era: An inadequately expensive device with a deluxe set of features and closed technologies.

Yeah, but the end. Probably, therefore, all manufacturers of all echelons constantly look at him and copy almost completely in their products.

Quote: Lumumba

An interesting paradox will arise: the “steer” on the planet will not be the country with “thicker patents”, but the country that will be able to create fundamentally new, open technologies

How does it steer it will be if all its development will be given to others for nothing?

Quote: Lumumba

This can not be stopped, it is a matter of time. China has understood this for a long time.

China has long understood that if you don’t have to pay, then why pay. What is successful and enjoys. And everything else is your fabrication.

[semuel]

Consequently, another Chinese novelty will appear under the index J -.....

[Brigadier]

Again, the Chinese comrades will start copying ...

[potterz]

Xs how a plant can make such a volume of production! Not long ago, the druh went to get a job there. There are few people in the workshops! More than half are idle. Met a classmate, he told him that the workload is sooooo big. There were 2 products in the workshop, one half ready, the second just started! (this is from his words) Many bears are repairing, both for us and for the Indians! Often we see them in the sky above the city!

[16112014nk]

All this is good that they buy the Be-200, it’s bad that we have such ministers as Manturov, a sociologist by training. What can he understand in technology? We need techies, and we have humanities, and even they are not in their places. And besides, kleptocrats suffering from xenomancy.

[Manul]

We have only 6 of these planes themselves. Forests burn, villages burn, disaster is simple. We need them ten times more at least. We are building Skolkovo useless, but there aren’t enough aircraft. If we can’t do it for ourselves, we need to buy bourgeois ones, because every year there is huge damage and human casualties from forest fires.

[Zlyden.Zlo]

https://topwar.ru/102912-kitay-predstavil-samolet
-amfibiyu-ag600.html Here is a Chinese plane .. Looks like they decided to copy ours too

[shosha]

China acquires two Be-200 amphibious aircraft from Russia

... and a carbon copy!

[Reserve buildbat]

It seems like there was recently an article about a new Chinese seaplane. Now they will buy the 2 Be-200 for study, and then they will go to rivet their seaplanes using our developments.

[DPN]

shitty, take apart the cog and make clones as usual.
in 90 years, with the help of these aircraft, the Kursk crew could be saved.

[skeptic31]

So many years have passed and we are all stepping on the same rake. In Soviet times, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of such draft contracts. They wanted to buy two electric locomotives, two diesel locomotives, two tractors, etc. Why two? Yes, elementary - one understands the cogs to make a full copy, and the second serves as a model to know how to put it all together. Usually, such contracts were wrapped up, but sometimes orders were issued to skip. Usually, if someone went to China on a visit, and someone had to make someone happy. On the other hand, some of our grief leaders believed (and still believe) that the Chinese would not be able to make copies, and then the time came when everything became light. Especially touching are the words about the high quality of our products that even the Chinese are buying as many as two aircraft (and why not just 20?). Moreover, the purchase of another batch is expected! Yeah, expected. They have repeatedly refused, if the deal was done, not only from some projections, but from already signed contracts. In the sense, own production has been established, and they no longer need samples. They are now approaching the implementation of their own project, which they promise to wipe their nose for the whole world, but apparently something is wrong, something needs to be clarified.

[Nikolai Bolotnikov]

Morons, China, you can’t sell anything at all from technology, they will take apart the planes and copy all the technologies, and then they will blur out hundreds of them creating competition.

[Manul]

Well, will we develop the manufacturer stupidly selling to others? There would be a state to protect their forests and people in villages that burn in one big fireball that rolls every hot season .. This is a strategic plane. Of national importance! Why can not we invest in the production of these aircraft, as in the Kerch bridge or Vostochny spaceport, or Angara ??? What does some self-sufficiency of the plant have to do with it ??