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Repair of С-300 air defense systems for Belarus completed in Russia

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At the enterprises of the Russian military-industrial complex, the overhaul of the C-300 anti-aircraft systems previously transferred to the Belarusian armed forces free of charge has been completed, reports RIA News post by Sergei Shoigu.


Repair of С-300 air defense systems for Belarus completed in Russia


"The measures taken to improve the combat duty on air defense will prevent violations of the airspace of the Union State",
The head of the Russian Ministry of Defense said on Wednesday after a meeting of the joint board of the Russian and Belarusian military departments.

He stressed that the military leadership of the two countries "pay great attention to the implementation of the agreement on the joint protection of the external border of the Union State in airspace and the creation of a unified regional air defense system."

Shoigu noted that “the main directions of increasing the effectiveness of the types of combat and technical support of the regional group of forces” were worked out.

To this end, the general staffs "are instructed to unify the technologies and documentation for creating topographic and geodetic information tools," he added.

The meeting also planned to conduct "special comprehensive exercises for the types of comprehensive support, including the involvement of troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection" in preparation for the strategic maneuvers "West-2017".

“In addition, we reviewed the prospects for improving national procurement legislation for defense and security needs. We plan to discuss these issues in detail with representatives of the Belarusian military-industrial complex within the framework of the scientific-business program of the Army-2017 International Military-Technical Forum, ”said Sergey Shoigu.
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  1. Inhabitant of Mordor
    Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 07
    +7
    Wasted time and money. The next "brothers" will be sold in the same way as horses. You won't have time to blink.
    1. crocodile25
      crocodile25 2 November 2016 16: 11
      +8
      Until the daddy is in power.
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        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 16
          +26
          Who would doubt that trolls will appear against Belarus at once. :) even here everyone got bored without the methodologists of the State Department.
          1. Inhabitant of Mordor
            Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 20
            +6
            Except for the "State Department training manual" is there not enough fantasy for anything? True, it cuts eyes.
            1. Dr. Sorge
              Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 25
              +14
              Rude somewhere on the politicus or other Svidomo site.
              And, yes, the truth cuts you. This is yes.
              1. Inhabitant of Mordor
                Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 28
                +2
                Doc if there is nothing to unsubscribe - do not unsubscribe. I have never been naughty, but about the fantasy of all of you uryakalok, as soon as there is no worthy answer, you remember the idiotic "State Department manual". Find something more interesting already. And the main thing is smarter.
                1. Dr. Sorge
                  Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 30
                  +11
                  "Skotobaza" is not rudeness for you, it is understandable, it is really very cleverly written by you, it is smarter than you can imagine.
                  In general, no one should report anything to you about the defense industry.
                  1. Inhabitant of Mordor
                    Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 34
                    +4
                    And what to call traitors and grabbers? Stockbase is. I didn’t address this to you personally.
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 2 November 2016 20: 09
                    +1
                    Until, do not pay attention to the spiteful critics! Let the cheeks swell.
                2. dmi.pris1
                  dmi.pris1 2 November 2016 16: 36
                  +6
                  Maxim, in any case, in Belarus they are rebuffing everyone who is "colored and not so", in contrast to the nursery arranged in Ukraine. And the dad behaves as he considers necessary, first of all for Belarusians, and for no one else.
                  1. Inhabitant of Mordor
                    Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 39
                    +5
                    For God's sake! Only then do not fight in hysterics (not about you personally) as in 2014: how can you eat something like that, yes "brotherly people" and so on and so on.
                    Those who have ears will hear; those who have eyes will see.
                    1. dmi.pris1
                      dmi.pris1 2 November 2016 16: 47
                      +12
                      As for the eyes and ears .. I lived almost there, nearby in Smolensk for almost five decades and saw everything perfectly. During the Soviet Union, I had the opportunity to work on business trips, I was in Uzhgorod and Mukachevo, there even then these .. did not consider themselves Soviet people, so I consider the Belarusians a fraternal people.
                      1. Inhabitant of Mordor
                        Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 54
                        +3
                        As idiots say, who do not understand what they say, "we have a free country."
                        Your right.
                      2. Dr. Sorge
                        Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 56
                        +4
                        Thanks for the support. I can partially understand my opponent, but I can't call him a cattle farm.
                        If, since the Voice of Mordor spoke everything, there would be no partisans, many things would not exist.
                    2. Dr. Sorge
                      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 57
                      +6
                      In 2014 ... actually ask Novorossiya. As you write, let him hear, let him know.
                      1. Inhabitant of Mordor
                        Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 17: 03
                        +2
                        You are not even interesting.
                        so there would be no partisans, many things would not exist.
                        what is this nonsense about? There would be no partisans and you would not be anyone. I would like to be rude to your imagination but I will not. You do not even understand what you are trying to express in anger at the truth. I will not answer you any more. It's pointless.
          2. Phosgene
            Phosgene 3 November 2016 15: 10
            +1
            The most important troll is your Luca! He remembers Russia only when he wants to snatch something from Russia!
            1. Dr. Sorge
              Dr. Sorge 3 November 2016 16: 53
              +2
              Calling a person doesn't need a lot of resources ...
        2. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 22
          +11
          Did the Belarusians “threw you” strongly? Hmmm, you are gloomy.
          1. cniza
            cniza 2 November 2016 16: 52
            +11
            Do not strain, politicians come and go, and the peoples live together, especially with the fraternal people.
        3. vagrant
          vagrant 2 November 2016 17: 58
          +3
          Just while the dad is in power, he can sell. And for the people do not write "resident of Mordor" you do not seem to know him well.
        4. Starik72
          Starik72 2 November 2016 21: 13
          +2
          Oh, you Resident of Mordor, why sell you, YOU AND SO SOLD!
      2. Giant thought
        Giant thought 2 November 2016 16: 20
        +6
        Good news. Now Lukashenko will have no reason to publicly blame Russia that we are not helping them to strengthen air defense,
    2. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 14
      +8
      Change the training manual, otherwise it won't take long to sell yourself :)
      Nobody will ever sell anyone.
      Don't read liberoids and more optimism.
    3. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 2 November 2016 16: 30
      +6
      Quote: Citizen of Mordor
      The next "brothers" will be sold in the same way as horses. You won't have time to blink.

      Your stupidity is equal to your ignorance.
      It's good that we have President Putin, MO-Shoigu, General Staff Gerasimov, President Lukashenko in the Republic of Bashkortostan, in Moscow Region Ravkov, in General Staff Belokonev, and not you and your ilk.
      1. Inhabitant of Mordor
        Inhabitant of Mordor 2 November 2016 16: 35
        +3
        And that's true. Good. laughing
        1. Bloodsucker
          Bloodsucker 2 November 2016 16: 52
          +2
          Today the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu visited Belarus to hold a meeting of the joint collegium of the military departments of the two countries. During the meeting, the topics of the unified defense system of the Union State will be discussed.
          "During the meeting, it is planned to sum up the results of the activities of the defense departments over the past year, the implementation of measures to ensure the military security of the Union State, to consider the results of the functioning of the Unified Regional Air Defense System and activities in the field of radiation, chemical and biological protection," the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, General Major Igor Konashenkov.
          Konashenkov also stressed that the defense ministers of the two states will discuss key approaches and tasks of the upcoming joint exercises "West-2017".

          Discuss on the author's website: http: //alexpashkov.info/blog/s ...
    4. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 2 November 2016 16: 56
      +2
      They will definitely sell it. We won’t even have time to think about blinking, and they will already sell it.
      Their uncle SAM is waiting in a strong senile embrace. The Belarusian elite and the authorities are not embarrassed that the West is friends today, and tomorrow they indiscriminately bomb you. Only Russia is permanent, eternal and fair.
    5. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 2 November 2016 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: Citizen of Mordor
      Wasted time and money.


      Yes, I agree, we are forced to pay tribute to Belarus, like Chechnya. But Chechnya is at least a part of the Russian Federation
      1. Bloodsucker
        Bloodsucker 2 November 2016 17: 35
        +6
        Quote: Humpbacked Horse
        Yes, I agree, we are forced to pay tribute to Belarus, like Chechnya

        Another son of an officer's daughter, a liberal family of mythmakers?
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 November 2016 17: 59
      +6
      Repair of С-300 air defense systems for Belarus completed in Russia

      Congratulations to Belarusians good Your sky became even freer from any encroachments of any democratizers Yes
    7. cold54
      cold54 2 November 2016 18: 27
      +6
      It’s because of people like you that everything started in Ukraine. Why are you climbing where you don't belong at all! Belarus, not Ukraine, come, shout, hands will quickly twist. And if the dad tries by any means to agree on the gas account, then well done. And you are proud that you were born and live in a great country, but you cannot dispose of your natural resources a bit. And thank God that you have an adequate president. Unleash you - Ukraine would have a rest like a country 404
    8. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 2 November 2016 20: 37
      +3
      A meeting of the joint board of the ministries of defense of Russia and Belarus was held
      The meeting took place in Minsk. At it, the heads of the military departments of both republics made a number of important statements. Here are some of them.

      Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu:

      - On the western borders of the Union State, the United States and other NATO members are actively building up their offensive capabilities, opening new bases and developing military infrastructure. Attempts to impose their will on other countries with the help of economic and political dictatorship, as well as military force, do not stop. These actions undermine strategic stability and force Russia to respond defensively, including in the Western strategic direction.

      Defense Minister of Belarus Lieutenant General Andrei Ravkov:

      “Every year we note the strengthening of the defense potential of the Union State, which is evidence of the positive process of military integration of the two states. Today we can say that the collective defense of Belarus and Russia is not only a reliable strong shield of bilateral relations, but also an important element of the collective security of the Collective Security Treaty Organization in the western direction. The coordinated military-technical policy of Moscow and Minsk guarantees the defense capability of the Union State.
    9. dima mzk
      dima mzk 3 November 2016 05: 16
      0
      And why are they needed in canned food? we are switching to the 400s for a long time already the 500s on state tests. let the Belarusians also use these are not Ukrainians
  2. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 13
    +8
    Good news! Thank!
  3. afrikanez
    afrikanez 2 November 2016 16: 23
    +6
    Interestingly, Belarus supplies something for free? recourse
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 26
      +7
      Are you measuring homeland defense with money?
      Trolling is not modern.
      1. afrikanez
        afrikanez 2 November 2016 16: 29
        +2
        In general, this is not trolling, but an idle question and nothing more. So. what words please choose.
        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 33
          +6
          I pick it up, but you didn't just throw it in here, the obviousness revealed itself. See economic reviews, read.
          And no one will answer you about the defense industry.
          1. Sergey K.
            Sergey K. 2 November 2016 16: 54
            +1
            Quote: Dr. Sorge
            I pick it up, but you didn't just throw it in here, the obviousness revealed itself. See economic reviews, read.
            And no one will answer you about the defense industry.

            ... you didn't just throw it in here ...
            - sorry, are you a psychic? What makes you think that the usual lively interest is somehow connected with the defense of the homeland, which is measured with money ???
            See economic reviews, read.
            - Thank you for the advice, but how many did not look, never saw or heard.
            You can get to the bottom of the post, but not in this case, when a person asks a completely adequate question, and you, dear, call him a troll, transferring the conversation into the mainstream of the defense of the Motherland, which is measured by money. Stupid.
            1. Dr. Sorge
              Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 17
              +4
              Yes, of course not a psychic. :)
              It's about something else entirely. The fact that today any help, mutual assistance from our countries is commented on from a certain angle. And the nature of the questions without psychics is obvious. That's all.
    2. Pirate
      Pirate 2 November 2016 16: 39
      +5
      An ally at the borders and a joint air defense system. It's enough. We have enough of our own, and it remains for friends. There is no need to compare the capabilities of countries.
      And since you want profit, you can perceive these gratuitous deliveries as a "probe". Like it, order more.
      1. Sagittarius
        Sagittarius 2 November 2016 16: 41
        +6
        It is good that we are fulfilling our allied obligations.
      2. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 00
        +6
        We are modernizing near the city and delivering something to Russia, the main thing is that politicians do not reflect their every minute ambitions on global issues.
    3. Sergey K.
      Sergey K. 2 November 2016 16: 43
      +3
      Quote: afrikanez
      Interestingly, Belarus supplies something for free? recourse

      Good question. Maybe it supplies something, but the media do not inform about it. As for the comments of the "Resident of Mordor", here about Lukashenka it is difficult not to catch his message. Whatever one may say, but sometimes Lukashenka allows himself quite loud words about Russia. When he gets good discounts, no matter what, he sits silently and talks about close cooperation, and as soon as something does not suit him, he begins to flirt with the EU. Not comradely somehow. Despite the fact that he is a good leader and is busy with his country, at the slightest incident it is not a matter of blackmailing our (Russian) authorities about revising cooperation relations in favor of other "partners" in any area.
      1. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 03
        +4
        On the other hand, it is necessary to look at specific cases.
        I agree with you.
        And how did Medvedev refuse to supply the C300 to Iran? It was different.
        We need to go forward. And take only the positive with you to build the future.
    4. dima-fesko
      dima-fesko 2 November 2016 18: 17
      +3
      Dear, I have already answered one commentator ... Sorry again for the sarcasm: Please - Belarusian oysters, shrimps and bananas!
    5. cold54
      cold54 2 November 2016 18: 36
      +2
      Do you supply anything for free? !!
  4. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 23
    +7
    The issue of procurement and expansion of cooperation is very important. We have a huge number of defense factories, as long as there are masters and apprentices we must look for. We need orders for our common cause of defense against the enemy.
  5. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 16: 35
    +6
    There is already a modern station near one of the major cities. So things are quietly going in the right direction.
    Now the Priboltika will howl. :)
  6. Franciscan
    Franciscan 2 November 2016 16: 46
    0
    Nobody just tells the truth how many "brothers" the Russians have gotten for repairs and on what supposedly "gratuitous" terms they handed over, plus they did not say how many decades these complexes were used.
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 06
      +5
      I have deep respect for Russia.
      They broke about everything, as you write, it can be a showdown of private companies.
      It's stupid without cooperation.
      About used - why are you asking this? It seems you are not a zmagar :) I hope.
  7. Franciscan
    Franciscan 2 November 2016 16: 47
    +1
    Quote: Dr. Sorge
    The issue of procurement and expansion of cooperation is very important. We have a huge number of defense factories, as long as there are masters and apprentices we must look for. We need orders for our common cause of defense against the enemy.

    As the dad said, you need to create your own air defense systems similar to the 300, go along the same path as with the polonaise. our machines and stuffing, Chinese missiles.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 November 2016 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: Franciscan
      follow the same path as with the polonaise. our cars and stuffing, Chinese missiles .

      Do not tell my slippers! lol Take on anti-aircraft missiles Chinese crafts? .. belay You obviously do not love your homeland.
      The Chinese do not have their own anti-aircraft missiles, they have copied S-300s, and what are they?
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 3 November 2016 02: 15
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        The Chinese do not have their own anti-aircraft missiles, they have copied S-300s, and what are they?

        Yes, the Chinese have enough missiles of a wide variety
  8. Franciscan
    Franciscan 2 November 2016 16: 49
    +1
    Quote: dmi.pris
    Maxim, in any case, in Belarus they are rebuffing everyone who is "colored and not so", in contrast to the nursery arranged in Ukraine. And the dad behaves as he considers necessary, first of all for Belarusians, and for no one else.

    in in.
  9. minus
    minus 2 November 2016 16: 49
    +6
    As usual, Lukashenko is not like that, the Belarusians will betray ... And where is he wrong? It is correct that it requires preferences for its state. Only Russia forgives everyone ... Everyone, without taking into account strategic interests. And the fact that some part of Belarusians oppose Russia is not an indicator. We have enough of our own anti-Russian subjects ...
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 08
      +3
      That's right, I agree.
      For some reason, everyone forgot about the news ...
      One policy.
      But the C300 is a cloud in terms of modifications!
      And NOBODY read about GIS systems in the article. And this is very important.
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  13. 31R-US
    31R-US 2 November 2016 17: 21
    +2
    Quote: Franciscan
    how many "brothers" Russians broke for repairs

    How can you measure "brotherly" feelings in monetary terms, because money is just paper.
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 2 November 2016 17: 25
      +5
      Yes, and I mean too.
      We should be glad that everything is going its own way little by little. Do you remember how they wanted to dispose of the Iranian С300 in general? Well Putin canceled this decision.
  14. 31R-US
    31R-US 2 November 2016 17: 25
    +4
    Quote: Citizen of Mordor
    The next "brothers" will be sold in the same way as horses

    What are we selling then?
  15. Holoy
    Holoy 2 November 2016 18: 34
    0
    All this is bespant! Sell!

    Our leadership is following the path of the USSR ...
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    1. Starik72
      Starik72 2 November 2016 21: 34
      +3
      Where did the HALU come from? Apparently from the smart-ass western God forgive me.
      1. Holoy
        Holoy 2 November 2016 22: 35
        +1
        HALUi is it you, and specific ... Refute the recognition of the Crimea? AND? Halui?
        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 4 November 2016 09: 46
          +2
          Svidomism blows from you thousands of miles away.
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    3. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 4 November 2016 09: 47
      +2
      Jump even higher, maybe he'll give him a cookie and serve :)
  17. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 2 November 2016 18: 43
    +6
    Resident of Mordor,
    Once my chief power engineer was offended by the Belarusians ... More precisely, at their gaytsov .. They stopped for exceeding near Mogilev .. I tried to "negotiate" - immediately in handcuffs and in the bullpen .. got administrative arrest, as a representative of the fraternal people ..
  18. noWAR
    noWAR 2 November 2016 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Holoy
    With this smart-ass Belarus you need to trade only at world prices!

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  19. proletarian
    proletarian 2 November 2016 22: 47
    +2
    Question: What is the "coverage" of this event for?
    I do not want to be "Mr. OBVIOUSNESS", but after the turn of the Belarusian "board" I suspect that a decision was made in the event of such an incident to "cover the board" with these complexes "to the fullest extent of the law."
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 3 November 2016 02: 10
      +1
      With 300 and so are in service with RB, that the object that the military
      turn the side to this no sideways
  20. ship
    ship 3 November 2016 00: 02
    +1
    "... to jointly protect the external border of the Union State in the airspace" - for this reason, I cannot forget the case when two foreigners, supposedly journalists, calmly flew over independent Belarus and scattered teddy bears.
    The ensign was to blame for everything.
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  22. Phosgene
    Phosgene 3 November 2016 15: 09
    +1
    How much can you feed the republics of the former USSR at the expense and to the detriment of the Russian Federation ?!
    1. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 3 November 2016 16: 58
      +2
      The State Department has not invited you to the new seminar? Maybe I gave you new training manuals, comrade Vosgen :)
      1. Phosgene
        Phosgene 10 November 2016 12: 08
        0
        And you are a friend, either live on your own money, with your independence, or do not stutter about it. I don't want to feed you at all, especially since you remember about Russia only when you need to snatch something in Russia. Shameless grabbers.
        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 10 November 2016 12: 23
          +1
          Who told you that? You are wrong, and deeply. :)
          How do you want our peoples to quarrel.
          Will not work. Don't even "stutter" about it. :)
          1. Phosgene
            Phosgene 10 November 2016 14: 56
            0
            And I don't need such friendship. You live on my money, and what does Russia need a chip, you are all so independent and immediately remember your rights and send Russia away ... Once the independent will have enough to eat Russian bread.
            1. Dr. Sorge
              Dr. Sorge 10 November 2016 15: 17
              +1
              Personally, no one goes with you for friendship and no one takes a piece of your bread.
              You better take care of your rains and ezltsincenters, that's where Russian money goes!
              1. Phosgene
                Phosgene 10 November 2016 18: 21
                0
                And I do not need you, or the Jewish Dozhdi, or the Yeltsin centers of the stealing Chubaisoid non-Russians, or Armenia, or Kyrgyzstan, or Kazakhstan. You all separated from Russia, in the Baltics, Russians are not citizens, and Israel does not even hand over criminals to Russia. Leave us alone, live in your countries, on your own money, let the Russians live in your Russia ... You drove us out of your republics, we have nowhere else to go, if you do not let us live peacefully on our land, we will only have to fight with you, with all of you.
                1. No login
                  No login 10 November 2016 21: 19
                  +1
                  Phosgen, I totally agree with you. I would really like to leave you alone with great pleasure, because the fact is that nothing depends on me. Depends on my and your guidance. And in the event that I gather with my fellow countrymen on the square to persuade my beloved president to take a different path, then in my country it is very possible for all sorts of polite people to appear. The result of the 22-year reign of our GREAT sovereign. And personally, we, ordinary citizens, do not demand anything from you, so leave the phrases about "leave us alone". Moreover, no one expelled anyone from Belarus and no one experienced any oppression (I mean, on a national basis). I repeat: who should keep whom, and who should let go of whom is decided at the highest level. At the level of the most cunning criminals of the state, eaters of human destinies.
                  1. Phosgene
                    Phosgene 10 November 2016 21: 43
                    +1
                    I will respect your choice, if it is civilized. Probably you need to decide your own issues, and so that people do not come to you from Russia, solve them like in Czechoslovakia, without blood, and not like in Ukraine, with genocide. I am not a Nazi, as some scumbags write to me, but I want good for myself, my country and my people. I think that the money that Putin spends on Armenia and other such independent ones would be more useful to spend on Russia, its army and the indigenous population. I am not against the fact that money is being spent on Crimea, it is now the territory of the Russian Federation and I am not against accepting Donbass into the Russian Federation, but if you are independent you should not live at the expense of Russia.
                    1. No login
                      No login 10 November 2016 23: 13
                      +1
                      In general, it is impossible to change my power in a civilized (civilized from your point of view). For this, civilization has come up with slightly different ways of holding this event.
                      I agree with you in one thing - independence must be independent. But when you say that:
                      Quote: Phosgene
                      if you are independent you should not live off of Russia.

                      , then again, send the claims to the GDP and the AHL. Ordinary citizens of Belarus have nothing to do with it. So write: if Lukashenka wants to be independent, then he should not live at the expense of Russia. "You will be 100% right.
                      1. Phosgene
                        Phosgene 11 November 2016 00: 54
                        0
                        Well, here you are lying. Far from everything that Lukashenka grabs in Russia, he spends on himself, the lion's share of the money goes to you, citizens. To begin with, Russia pays two-thirds in cash for the needs of the allegedly allied state with Belarus, which in fact does not exist and will not exist. This means that, roughly speaking, Russia pays your budget in cash by about 10%, add to this speculation in Russian gas and oil, which you get for a pittance and resell in the EU with a large profit. Add to this the free loans that Luka takes from RF and is not going to give. Add to this the weapon that Luka grabs for free in the Russian Federation and equips your army with it ... This is a lot ... The fact that the elections is a farce, I agree and not only with you ... But the fact that now in Ukraine is not the case ... That would have dispersed without shooting, as in Czechoslovakia, and everyone would have got what he wanted. You cannot make happiness against your will .... I talked with Ukrainians, including outspoken Bandera, so not all of them are sick to the head .. .. Some want to be a part of Poland, Romania. Hungary, Russia, others do not want to go anywhere ... So they would vote by the regions and who would like to ... why kill each other, who is easier from this ?! And you look at Ukraine and Czechoslovakia and draw conclusions for the future ...
                      2. No login
                        No login 11 November 2016 10: 23
                        0
                        Phosgene,
                        It seemed that everything was clear and the verbal conflict should have ended, but ...
                        Not everything that Lukashenka grabs in Russia, he spends on himself personally, the lion's share of the money goes to you, citizens

                        Open your eyes, Phosgen! Not a single citizen of the Republic of Belarus demands the issuance of loans from Russia, and not only from Russia. The problem is that over the 22 years of the usurper's power, he has not been able to create an independent economy (he did not even try) and as a result we have what we have. This means that the country's economy is not independent and requires constant subsidies. Including subsidies in the form of crises that Russia (as a result of the insolvency of our economy and its tight connection with Russia) is now exporting to our country. And using your logic, you personally, personally every citizen of the Russian Federation, are to blame for the war in Ukraine, Syria, tk. sanctions were imposed in connection with those events. And I will say more: your responsibility, as a citizen of the Russian Federation for the crisis, "donated" by the Republic of Belarus is direct, since you approve of the "party" policy. You are to blame for the decline in wages and the general standard of living, the purchasing power of the citizens of the Republic of Belarus. And I will hate you now. How do you like this alignment? I use your logic.
                        But the fact that now in Ukraine this is not the case ... They would have dispersed without shooting, as in Czechoslovakia, and everyone would have got what they wanted.

                        I am not lying. To judge the situation in Ukraine and Czechoslovakia, you need to carefully compare what is happening in these countries from the sources of history. And the situations are completely different. And polite people did not appear in Crimea to protect the population. The appearance of non-peaceful people in Donetsk and Lugansk is also not connected with this. And since you are talking about the types of change of power in our country, I will ask you a question: how do you imagine the peaceful process of changing the current power in Belarus? Just don't write about the elections in 4 years. This is a bluff.
                        And I would also like to clarify this:
                        Quote: Phosgene
                        .I talked with Ukrainians, including with outspoken Bandera, so not all of them are sick in the head .... Some want to be part of Poland, Romania, Hungary, Russia

                        some residents of Ukraine, of course, want to live in Russia (like, probably, most of the population of Crimea), but I don't quite understand about joining other states that you indicated. I work in a team where there are many Ukrainians from all over Ukraine. I have never heard of a connection with Romania or Poland, etc. Did you mean the European Union as a whole, apparently?
  23. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 11 November 2016 09: 13
    +1
    Phosgene,
    I do not understand what your phrase means that someone is feeding us personally.
    I am the third opponent in this conversation.
    Each of you said part of the sensible words.
    Historically and culturally it is impossible to separate Russia and Belarus. It is a fact.
    You are humiliating yourself with your rather primitive appeals, about enough to feed, first of all, because both Russians and Belarusians work hard from dawn to dawn.
    Do you want to light up the same Maidan that the Americans and co have done in Ukraine? Will not work.
    You naively repeat the calls of our local fighters for the people's happiness :) And this leads to some thoughts :)
    And further.
    Personally, no one takes anything away from you. You are very categorical. I would suggest that you get together over a cup of Zubrovka sometime and talk.
    Your categoricalness due to ignorance or unwillingness to understand What and Who we are.
    And you are all about money.
    Regarding Novorossiya - a question for the strongest in this tragic situation, for Russia. Why was August 2014? Indeed, the Americans would not have twitched and there would have already been a second Crimea and do not care at all. Words Would be bad
    yes, history does not tolerate subjunctive moods. But alas. Who, Old Man is to blame?
    I already wrote a whole article, the moderator will probably not approve. Advance forgiveness.