Media: "Admiral Gorshkov" will be put on the audit of all systems and mechanisms

Transfer dates to Russian the fleet the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has not yet been determined, a decision will be made based on the results of an audit of all its systems, reports RIA News message source in the DIC.

The frigate is on trial with 2014 g, it was planned to transfer it to the fleet at the end of 2015. However, then the delivery of the ship was postponed to the end of this year. This is explained by the large volume of testing of the latest weapons and equipment.

“The frigate has completed state tests and will be on the revision of all mechanisms and systems. She will determine the terms of delivery of the ship ", - said the source.

According to him, "the next ships of the series will be built faster, since all the comments identified during the Gorshkov tests will be taken into account."

Earlier, the head of the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Anatoly Gulyaev, reported that the ship is scheduled to be handed over to the military in November 2016 g, but problems with anti-aircraft missile systems for frigates of this project may affect the transfer dates.

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[Giant thought]

Well, finally, the passing marathon is nearing the end, good luck to everyone who will participate in the reception-delivery.

[SRC P-15]

Earlier, the head of the Main Armament Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Anatoly Gulyaev, reported that the ship is scheduled to be handed over to the military in November 2016 g, but problems with anti-aircraft missile systems for frigates of this project may affect the transfer dates.

We have some kind of lack of coherence in military shipbuilding.

[OLD FART]

"The next ships of the series will be built faster, since all the comments revealed during the tests of the Gorshkov will be taken into account."

I hope that it will be so ... There is no time, for buildup and mistakes! Whoever says anything, but the Fleet for Russia is the primary task of survival ...

[mr.redpartizan]

The surface fleet never played a major role for Russia's security, after the Second World War the main role was assigned to the ground forces, the Air Force and the Strategic Missile Forces. Strategic Rocket Forces is the most reliable shield of our Motherland against an external enemy.

[Inok10]

Quote Article:

The timing of the transfer to the Russian fleet of the lead frigate of Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has not yet been determined, a decision will be made based on the results of an audit of all its systems, a source in the defense industry tells RIA Novosti.

... on RIA ... there is NO such news! ... RESET! ... and as usual, no one bothered to check the source of information ... and something started running through the pipes ... the screen is attached ... all-polypolymers, ay-ay-ay, how can it be ... Mommy, what will happen ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Inok10

... on RIA ... there is NO such news! ... THROW! ... and as usual, no one bothered to check the source of the information ... and something started rushing through the pipes ... the screen is attached ... all-polypolymers, ay-ay-ay, how so ... Mommy, what will happen .

Please https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161101/1480417170
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[Inok10]

Quote: Odyssey

Please https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161101/1480417170
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... here you are really ... select, right-click, "go to address" ... result ... time is Kaliningrad ... screen ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Inok10

... here really please ...

... and continued ... I used Google’s search ... the result is the same, it’s strange isn't it? ... Yandex and Google do not find such "news" on RIA Novosti ... screen ... Kaliningrad time ...

[Temples]

Monk, screwed up so have the courage to confess.
There is news on RIA.

and as usual no one bothered to check

Thank you, dear Inok10, that although you always check everything, you will not let the enemies powder our brains
How much Paphos, but actually zilch.

[Inok10]

Quote: Temples

Thank you, dear Inok10, that although you always check everything, you will not let the enemies powder our brains

... well, well ... I'm also laughing to this moment ... below I posted a video of unsuccessful attempts to find this "news" in the primary source of RIA Novosti, Yandex and Google ... it was today at 10.51 ... that's where rzhak, then in fact ... it seems someone got burned with a fake link ... and accordingly screwed up ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Inok10

here you are really ... select, right-click, "go to address" ... result ... time is Kaliningrad ... screen

I do not know why you should not be. I checked it again, found it in 30 seconds. Perhaps you have problems with the computer.

[Inok10]

Quote: Odyssey

I do not know why you should not be. I checked it again, found it in 30 seconds. Perhaps you have problems with the computer.

... well, does the built-in search of ria.ru by RIA Novosti also have problems, as well as Yandex and Google? ... watch the video below ... output there ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Inok10

... well, does the Ria News built-in search on RIA.ru also have problems, as well as Yandex and Google?

1) Select the first three words of the news-Source: deadlines, press the button Ctrl + C, then insert these words into the built-in search for RIA Novosti with the button Ctrl + V
2) .Next, click on the magnifier with the mouse (start the search). You will get the desired result.
The same news is easy to be anywhere. Here, for example, the Military Industrial Courier.
http://vpk-news.ru/news/33339
Good luck.

[Alex777]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Inok10

... on RIA ... there is NO such news! ... THROW! ... and as usual, no one bothered to check the source of the information ... and something started rushing through the pipes ... the screen is attached ... all-polypolymers, ay-ay-ay, how so ... Mommy, what will happen .

Please https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161101/1480417170
.html

There is a link.
Hover and mark the entire link of a colleague Odysseus. Right-click and the first position in the menu is to open the link.
The second is to open the link in a new tab. Choose any.
I hope I could help you.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

The second is to open the link in a new tab. Choose any.
I hope I could help you.

... you shouldn't "keep" people "for the narrow-minded" ... the screen is attached ...
... the result is described above, as well as an attempt to find this "news" on the original source through two search engines Yandex and Google, unsuccessfully ended with nothing ... the screenshots above are attached ...

[Alex777]

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

[media = https: //ria.ru/defense_safety/20161101/148
0417170.html]

... we go to the specified source ria.ru ... in the upper right corner we hammer into the search on the RIA Novosti website "Admiral Gorshkov will be revised" ... result: ... No matches found ... as they say, a control in the head of this "news" ... a search screen with time and date in Moscow and my local Kaliningrad in the lower right corner ... check and checkmate in one move ...

[Alex777]

Read below.
When you learn to follow the links, we will laugh together!

[Alex777]

It never occurred to me to take the text from the screenshots I enclosed for searching the RIA website?
This can help!

[Alex777]

Once again for Inok 10


Nobody is fooling you, you just got a little confused or caught on the crown.

[Alex777]

And this is an illustration of what I advised you to do to simplify everything:


I suppose I did my best to help!

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Alex777

Nobody is fooling you, you just got a little confused or caught on the crown.

Well! And the plot of American imperialism on the site was already almost revealed and Comrade Inok drilled a hole under the cookie. True, there is still the option that you are an American spy. If such a charge is brought, sign up to my agent network

[Alex777]

All the same, but the side view.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

All the same, but the side view.

... here I am about the same, the result is the same, that is, not any ... and a video of an attempt to find this "news" today, November 2 at 10.51 Moscow time on ria.ru, Yandex and Google ... date and time on RIA Novosti is clearly visible ... 2 minutes of video ... the result is yesterday ... so who is "hu" still needs to be figured out ... and none of the self-respecting News Portals has this news as well ...

[Inok10]

P.S. ... the video clearly shows all the failure of attempts to find this "news" on the specified primary source of RIA Novosti, as well as in Yandex and Google a link to RIA Novosti ... so the conclusion is very simple ... the link above is presented first Odysseus and later Alex777 ... to put it mildly, doubts its authenticity ...

[Yarhann]

So it is, even with the scoop, the foundation of our Navy was not the abyss, but the submarine forces - the task of which was mainly purely for fighting the enemy’s ship without the SPSK. Now thoughts are thinking about the development of the surface fleet, but thank God they are building an underwater fleet - the surface fleet in our army has no future in quality and quantity to pull the FMS of matrastane is unrealistic and it makes no sense to have a different doctrine. I hope that we will come to our senses if the aircraft carrier’s project is under way - it’s better to play with the kuzey further - and better, let it stand at the base. And here we need BFKs of the Mystal type, and it is precisely such ships that in the near future will be built by many countries of the world, and a lot of little things like the TFR and RTOs are needed to ensure the safety of the waters.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

We have some kind of lack of coherence in military shipbuilding.

Spawn this did not see, and here again! ©
In Soviet times, our BODs were accepted by the fleet without any regular air defense systems or with half of them.
Yes, and with so often recalled Joseph Vissarionovich, the delivery of ships to the fleet was carried out in a rather amusing way (especially the head ones in the series):
KRL "Kirov":

September 25, the commission signed an act on acceptance of the ship in the KBF. The next day, a naval flag was hoisted on a cruiser. In the act, the commission noted "a large number of unfinished work." In particular, the rate of fire of the main caliber guns turned out to be low, the armor protection of the torpedo tubes was not installed, the aircraft equipment and the MPUAZO system were not handed over, the paired device, the main turbine gearboxes, the fittings of the main and auxiliary steam pipelines of superheated and saturated steam were not replaced. The acceptance certificate was approved by the Deputy People's Commissar of the Navy, 1st rank flagship I.S. Isakov on October 16, 1938.
By April 1939, most of these deficiencies and defects could not be eliminated, which disrupted the planned campaign of Kirov at the opening of the International New York Exhibition. Some work continued on the ship for a long time. By the beginning of the Soviet-Finnish war, the cruiser as a whole was ready and took part in the hostilities.

LD "Leningrad":

... at full speed, the feed went under water below the deck level (with a differential of aft up to 1,5 m), and the bow lifted dangerously, which created an emergency situation and did not allow the weapons systems to operate effectively. In the middle course mode, the leader did not listen well to the helm, and in small moves did not listen at all.
After the installation of artillery of the main caliber, control firing was carried out on one side. Tests showed that the hull turned out to be too weak, and so much so that it was impossible to operate all the artillery at the same time. Dangerous stresses that occurred in the area where the forecastle and the hull docked created a risk of the ship breaking in half if these stresses dynamically increased, caused, for example, by a mine detonation, a shell hit, or even a strong storm. The need for reinforcement of the corps was revealed. In addition, the stability of the ship was only slightly higher than critical, and the buoyancy margin was so small that any damage to the underwater part could lead to disaster.
After the official surrender to the fleet on December 5, 1936 (on the day the Stalin Constitution was adopted), the ship stood at the factory extension wall until July 1938 (!), An incredible number of defects discovered during the first outings to the sea were eliminated.

[VladimS]

So do not build barges. Lots of systems. Debugging them and full interaction requires considerable time.
Children's sores and diseases will be corrected and eliminated - the next ones in the series will really give up much faster. The usual thing .. similar situations.
What we have, what the exceptional ...
Despite the fact that the technique is only getting complicated!

[avt]

[quote = Giant of thought] Well, finally, the delivery marathon is nearing the final, we wish good luck to everyone who will participate in the delivery. [/ quote]
And read everything to the end! ?? [quote] Earlier, the head of the Armed Forces General Directorate of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Anatoly Gulyaev reported that the ship was planned to be transferred to the military in November 2016, but problems with anti-aircraft missile systems for frigates of this project could affect the timing of transmission. [/ quote] Yes, even though first [quote] The timing of the transfer to the Russian fleet of the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has not yet been determined, the decision will be made based on the results of an audit of all its systems, a source in the defense industry tells RIA Novosti [quote]

[NEXUS]

Quote: avt

The timing of the transfer to the Russian fleet of the head frigate of project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov has not yet been determined,

If every 22350th will be surrendered like this, then on the surface fleet you can put a bold cross. We need frigates like air, and moreover in a large series, but they don’t moo and don’t calf.

[Dart2027]

Should not. The lead ship is always the most difficult.

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

It will only get worse. The cross can be placed now at the beginning of construction 20386.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Citizen of Mordor

20386

They only decided to install the gun mount A-190, not A-192 (130mm) ... universalization and modularity, its mother ...

[alexmach]

Why do you need frigates without air defense systems? Or with one appearance of this air defense system?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Thought Giant

Well, finally, the passing marathon is nearing the end, good luck to everyone who will participate in the reception-delivery.

They announced the end of the state tests, the result was silent, apparently there are significant problems that could not be solved, the president said that the ship would be ready by November, now, as they say, "who did not hide, I am not to blame." Against the background of how nuclear and non-nuclear icebreakers are being built, I rely on someone in the chain of building the navy to get a good spin.

[Alex777]

I would not cheat, but tore it off ...
Pretend that the tests have passed.
And Redoubt never shot back.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: saturn.mmm

They announced the end of state tests about the result were silent, see there are significant problems that could not be solved

So it’s written in plain text about the air defense system ... But, apparently, this is not all, for the revision of the units and mechanisms is coming ... on which there were questions during the surrender.

At the end of the passing sea trials of the ship, the main and auxiliary mechanisms and devices are revised according to the list compiled by the selection committee. The mechanisms and devices in the work of which shortcomings are noticed are listed. The audit consists in opening these mechanisms and eliminating the shortcomings noted by the commission.
After the audit, the ship goes to the control exit. If the commission has no more comments, then the deed of delivery and acceptance of the ship is signed.

In short, an autopsy will show!

[Alex777]

Before death do not breathe!
They didn’t even put the fluff 192 on 20386, although the VI allowed.
For example, I only heard that the electronic warfare was received in August-September. With a comment - first system accepted!
And what, in 2 months they passed everything else?
IMHO when they sort it out - it will be clear to whom and for what tails to tear. And then it will begin.
Miracles - a ship in service - I do not wait, unfortunately.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

IMHO when they sort it out - it will be clear to whom and for what tails to tear. And then it will begin.

... someone already needs a language ... well, this one ... have you checked the source of information? ... of course not! ... "Well, all together, hang your ears and better clap your hands for good" .... already unsubscribed above ... there is no such news at RIA Novosti! ... will we cut or trim someone's long? ... ah, Tearman ?! ... the whole discussion looks like in a classic: ... Bremen Town Musicians ... but there were four of them in total, and in VO there are now about a dozen 2 at least who cannot read, rather check what they read ... but they do not need it, they care about "constructive criticism" ... the dearest ones criticized ...turned VO into a booth ... A clown, on a clown ... video in the topic of discussion ...

[Alex777]

August 8, 09
The press service of the Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET) reported that the 5P-28 electronic warfare system installed on the head frigate of Project 22350 Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov successfully passed state tests.
The electronic warfare system developed by KRET significantly increases the survivability of the ship, protecting it from attacks by high-precision weapons of air, sea and ground-based and reduces the likelihood of electronic detection. The system also prevents the enemy from conducting electronic intelligence.
5P-28 - first from systems that have passed state tests. And, therefore, the adoption of the ship, which was waiting for the Navy and which the sailors are in dire need of, is not a very quick matter.

Your pathos Inok10 tiring.
Read the link:
http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/153892/

[Alex777]

By the way, when to wait for 11356 with Russian gas turbines?
The Hindus signed a contract with Zorea, and not 5, as you said, but 4 frigates. But I don’t put you to the wall of shame. I understand - anything can happen.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

I would not cheat and tore...
Pretend that the tests have passed.

Quote: Alex777

And what, in 2 months they passed everything else?
IMHO when they sort it out, it will be clear to whom and for what tails to tear. And then it will begin.
Miracles - a ship in service - I do not wait, unfortunately.

... whose is it ?! ... The ripper? ... can I start with your language ?! ... OBS solid ... specially marked in bold ... and, now look for Mil Friend. News about the revision of "Admiral Gorshkov" on the "source" of RIA Novosti indicated in the "article" - "source" ... I wish you good luck and a fair wind in your back! ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

The Hindus signed a contract with Zorea, and not 5, as you said, but 4 frigates. But I don’t put you to the wall of shame. I understand - anything can happen.

... a source of information in the studio! ... topic translation? ... old trick, hackneyed .... Bringing the source of information is the rules of good form in the VO from the centuries of its existence ...

[Alex777]

Here is one link:
http://interfax.com.ua/news/economic/379237.html
If, for some reason, the first did not like, then the second:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2016/10/26/840219.html

Good luck and good mood!
The answer to my post is essentially no longer waiting.

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

Here is one link:
http://interfax.com.ua/news/economic/379237.html

... the .ua domain ... very authentic ...

Quote: Alex777

http://www.vz.ru/news/2016/10/26/840219.html
Good luck and good mood!

... "Look", even that source for "information and reliability" ... refers to RIA Novosti ... and as usual in the case of Stuffing! ... as a result, the main page of RIA Novosti ... ... they really made fun of ... a screen with "Look" is attached ...

Quote: Alex777

The answer to my post is essentially no longer waiting.

... already answered more than once ... including about reducers ...

[Alex777]

And colleagues from another forum laughed, and sent me the above links.
Thanks to you, I learned about the group of Dawns VK And thanks for that.
Finally, what you could not find:
https://ria.ru/defense_safety/20161026/1480005373
.html

I hope I have exhaustively answered your doubts ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Alex777

I hope I have exhaustively answered your doubts ...

... the check showed that they did not answer ... select the address specified by you, press the right mouse button and select "go to address" in the context menu ... the answer is expected ... 404 this page is not on Ria.ru ... ... screen ...

[SOF]

I support Alex777. Stop the tantrums. The screen is attached :) You, apparently, have problems with the browser ...

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alex777

when they sort it out, it will be clear to whom and for what tails to tear. And then it will begin.

The press says that with imperfections, they say the adversary accepts the ships, and then "brings them to mind:

According to the popular Russian military blog bmpd, which is maintained by experts from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST), that long test periods are characteristic of modern air defense systems, including western ones. In particular, due to the protracted testing of ship-based air defense systems based on MDBA / Thales Aster anti-aircraft missiles, the first British type 45 destroyers (type Daring) were put into operation with the Naval Forces with a practically inactive Sea Viper (PAAMS) air defense system. Now the same situation is observed with respect to the air defense systems of the joint Israeli-Indian development of Barak 8 (Barak 2).

"
Well, as for the "caps will fly", so this is already ...

As previously reported, the unsuccessful testing of 9M96 anti-aircraft guided missiles became one of the main reasons for the failure to deliver the Admiral Gorshkov. As a result, the general director of NPO Almaz Vitaly Neskorodov was fired.

They found a scapegoat, but things are still there.
So, maybe it’s not a goat at all ???

[Alex777]

I believe that the point, of course, is not the goat that you mentioned. After all, someone promoted him to that position. Someone painted about how all sorts of concerns would work wonderfully.
I will try to justify why I think that there will be organizational conclusions.
The first example of a "systematic approach" to motivation at PRFVVP was demonstrated at the Vostochny cosmodrome. The director of the plant with the defective cable eventually left, while others, including the Deputy Prime Minister, were reprimanded. Those. did not get off with a goat. And after all "only" for a day or two the launch was postponed.
Everything is more serious here. The basis of the fleet - does not perform functions.
It is clear that I am not dedicated to the details, but time is a bit left. We will see.
I really look forward to and hope that things will improve in the Navy.

[Alex777]

The Barak theme is of particular interest to me.
It is very similar to Redoubt.
I do not exclude that the Indians do not buy 11356 with Calm-1 from a good life.

[xtur]

> They found the absolution goat, but things are still there.

if the problem is in poor architecture / design of radars, then this is at best for a year of extra work. somewhere at the navi shipbuilder I came across such a point of view

[gispanec]

Quote: Thought Giant

Well, finally, the passing marathon is nearing the end

... again, as always, the giant with his gigantic comments to all articles ...... where did you see the final of the marathon in the article ???? ... he is put on revision and air defense (redoubt) until he flies as it should ...... where is the finale ???? you are our thinker ..... plus :)

[sub307]

nsy7EA0.tmp
"Well, finally, the delivery marathon is nearing the final ..."
It would be nice ..., however, there is no need to rush as in the USSR. Then it was customary to hand over orders for some dates ... for the next anniversary of the "revolution", say. Let them accept it as expected, according to the "complete scheme" so to speak.

[Banishing liberoids]

As the fleet needs it, its Syrian land is waiting ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

As the fleet needs it, its Syrian land is waiting ...

Dear colleague, the sea and the ocean are waiting for him, ships do not go on land. And wait a moment to send everything to Syria, there is an impressive group there and let it, in the end, bring it to mind. With respect to the Colleague.

[Banishing liberoids]

vovanpain -Just Syria is now a very big splinter in someone's fray. Yours faithfully!

[Sagittarius]

Let's hope that the delay in the commissioning of the Admiral Gorshkov will be short-lived.

[tanit]

And now - it's time to think about ....
A cup of national patience (not. I believed, I was waiting for someone to say something about it) Not in this thread, but it sounded more than once .... Manuals to change ... Money is worth it. And the cup of national patience is years since 200 works flawlessly.
Pensioners in the trash ... I’m ready to confirm .... Yes, I saw more than once that the honored teacher of Russia, digging in the trash, was looking for a freebie. Pension 27 thousand rubles. To live without a freebie can not. Pension is not enough, you say? I’ll answer - that’s not the point (I’ll not answer without mat)
Enough? Or, should I look out again? So it seems that white worms always call, no?
Especially for those who do not consider the word "Armata" to be Russian - but what world do you live in?

[tanit]

Well, it's about time - about narrow-gauge railways, about something else .... No, I'm just awesomely curious that they can still drag in this news?

[tanit]

Well, I dragged first. And what did you think, all answer your vysery? Be more modest.

[_Ugene_]

What was it? Where are you from, miracle?

[Banishing liberoids]

tanit -Be so kind, explain what you are talking about, or what you wrote about ???

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

tanit -Be so kind, explain what you are talking about, or what you wrote about ???

He did not write, he outlined the flow of consciousness.

[tanit]

Overshot branch ... ((((

[In100gram]

Quote: tanit

Overshot branch ... ((((

It’s possible even the site

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Give up alcohol

[Ulan]

Let him drink what is sober on his mind, then a drunk on his tongue ..
So it is harmless and funnier.

[tanit]

Quote: SRC P-15

Quote: Exorcist Liberoids

tanit -Be so kind, explain what you are talking about, or what you wrote about ???

He did not write, he outlined the flow of consciousness.

I can’t compare with your flow))) I do not envy and do not worry. I thought before that patriots are not stupid people. Now - I see that I’m wrong. Tolley You are fucked up in the attack, then - in fact -... the one I wrote about.

[tanit]

Well, since one didn’t understand, the second time I didn’t understand another .... Maybe it’s about me? Or maybe - in "patriots"?
Something I do not see a reason for such arrivals. Sadly, in general.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: tanit

Tolley You are fucked up in the attack, then - in fact -... the one I wrote about.

And about whom did you write?

[tanit]

That's ... It happens ... Ellipse is obscene. Ellipsis obscene again.
Not about you, I wrote.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: tanit

That's ... It happens ... Ellipse is obscene. Ellipsis obscene again.
Not about you, I wrote.

Well, they would write: I cover you with obscenities so as not to shine!
Peace?!

[tanit]

World hmm ... obscene, that would not have shone ....))) Beautifully. I take it into service. .

[Bering Strait]

It should be placed on the land plot of the Minister of Defense, as a monument to his stupidity. The most useless ship in the entire history of Russia, with inoperable radar and air defense systems. Normal people first create a weapon, and then build a ship for it, and not vice versa ... A pot, it is a pot, and a night one ... `` As you call a yacht, so it will float ''

[tanit]

How many years? In the whole history of Russia, it’s not too sick, but ... Do you live forever ?!

[Igor V]

Quote: Bering Strait

It should be placed on the land plot of the Minister of Defense, as a monument to his stupidity. The most useless ship in the entire history of Russia, with inoperable radar and air defense systems. Normal people first create a weapon, and then build a ship for it, and not vice versa ... A pot, it is a pot, and a night one ... `` As you call a yacht, so it will float ''

Are you talking about the Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union S.G. Gorshkov right? Please provide arguments on which you can poke the honored naval commander in the shit. Moreover, he cannot answer you.

[Bering Strait]

Gorshkov deserved to be shot while he was still alive, it was his fault that the Italians blew up the battleship Novorossiysk, it was he who was Nikita Khrushch’s six and scribbled libels on a really great man, Admiral Kuznetsov, whom even socks are not worthy to wash ... ... and a political prostitute ... Under Khrushche, he scribbled denunciations on Kuznetsov and spoke out against the large fleet, and as the wind changed and Brezhnev came, Brezhnev began to gear up and build aircraft carriers, because Brezhnev was for the construction of large ships ... In general, he was an opportunist and a scoundrel who had to be shot for criminal negligence that led to the death of the battleship ...

[Igor V]

The army of workers of the NKVD, MGB, KGB could not see through the enemy. And finally the oracle in the last resort came and tore off the mask. Maybe it’s better to shoot you, maybe you’re a jerk compared to the admirals of the Soviet Union?

[Corvetkapitan]

For me, the insignificance received epaulettes from Nikita Khrushchev was not the admiral, but the enemy of the people, who wrote slanderous words about Admiral Kuznetsov. Bandera diaper your Pot ...

[Ulan]

Truth? That is, the ship is created once and for all only for certain weapons and equipment?
So you don't know the word "modernization"? It's funny.
In fact, the ship is a platform for weapons and it can serve for 30-40 years, but the weapon can quickly become obsolete.
And if new equipment and weapons cannot be put on the platform, then this is a monument to stupidity.
Actually you yourself erected this monument by writing this nonsense.
So dear, ships are created both for existing weapons and for perspective ones.
And this topic has already been discussed at VO.
An example from history, the British took the risk and laid down their superdreadnoughts "Queen Elizabeth" BEFORE the test of the newest fifteen-inch machines was completed. Risked and won, their superdreadnoughts took part in the battle of Jutland.
And the Germans, their "Bayerns", held back, waited for the 15-inch test. As a result, neither Bayern nor Baden was in the battle of Jutland.
Who knows. maybe they would have influenced the outcome of the battle.

[Haloperidol]

If a ship is built for weapons that are not functional and a series of ships are built for it not working weapons, then this is not modernization, but wrecking and undermining the defense of the state.

[mr.redpartizan]

Do not offend the prominent admiral, commander of the USSR Navy. The ship has a decent name, but it was built with a huge number of shortcomings. Otherwise, I completely agree with you.

[Holoy]

And what about the living conditions?

[tanit]

And this is - how are you going to hear? Like - "Yatam served 1000 years ago"? Or how is it now? About 10000 years and even about 100 years - read and cry - it will definitely knock you a tear))))

[Neputin]

In general, it should be stated that despite the victorious reports of the leadership of the Navy and the USC, we once again oborr .., sorry, got into a mess. In all likelihood, Polyment-Redoubt does not shoot, and if it does, it is bad and close. Now, to eliminate this hemorrhoid you need to think hard. So they think. , as they say, dumkoy richer. It's just not clear what all these oligophrenics were thinking when they laid the frigate back in 2006. The ships that the fleet needs are laid under the existing weapons, which have already been written about more than once by previous commentators. And you need to test new weapons on experimental ships. Bet and test, even to the point of blue in the face. Gorshkov could have with "Calm" and some sort of near-field air defense system. But no, they built 10 (ten years Karl!) And tested it for a year only to now understand that something is going wrong. Lavrov's golden words DBL BLT !!!!!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Neputin

Gorshkov could have with "Calm" and some sort of near-field air defense system.

No, it was just necessary to immediately lay the 11356 series for yourself, and not wait for its refinement. Now they would have 6-10 not ultra-modern, but quite combat-ready ships that could well plug a hole in their niche. And then, after factory repairs, they could be upgraded, or sold according to the situation.

[Zibelew]

11356 is also not very. Essen can’t leave for Sevastopol for six months. Now it’s in the Baltic, it’s supposed to be docked for two months.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Zibelew

11356 is also not very

But in general, the series was built much faster. If not for the engines.

[Sergey333]

He is already covered with poor rust, while his fleet is being handed over.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

Well, apparently, more or less serious surface ships to build in Russia have not learned. They did not tighten the nut there, they did not tighten the rifle themselves, but in the end a lot of changes had to be made. At the same time, nuclear submarines are being built quite successfully. Does staffing problems interfere or is ordinary sluggishness manifested?
It seems that in aviation with the new same mess, amers F-22 is already outdated, and the T-50 has also not gone into production. But it’s still mastered in combat units! The lag is almost 7-8 years! However, it would be necessary to hurry, it is painful that something from Washington pulls smoke ...

[tanit]

We all will die. And then for 7-8 years. For 78 years, write safely.

[Gerasim Donskoy]

When you have nothing to say, it’s better to shut up, you’ll look smarter.

[2-0]

What to write something? If the unfortunate trough of the "frigate" class is being tested soon for the third year (Chinese electronics cannot work normally), then what kind of nuclear destroyers "Leader" - "Fufleader" are talking about ... there is no GTE, no electronics, no weapons !!!

But mock-up workshops work tirelessly, no matter what the exhibition - mock-ups-mock-ups, stop fifty million layouts.

[vovanpain]

Quote: 2-0

If the unfortunate frigate-class trough is experiencing soon the third year (Chinese electronics cannot work normally),

But in Ukraine, two boats "Gyurza-M" were consecrated. Keep it up.

[VladimS]

[quote = Neputin]
Of course, you would easily settle all the problems there !?
Well, how many, like smart ones, even tinplate ...! Ugh!

[Alex777]

Inok10,
Colleague! Already in 2 cases you can’t use the links and take up a lot of space with all sorts of screenshots.
Believe it is not difficult. Just copy the entire link and paste at the top of the browser bar.

[Alex777]

Inok10,
What only you will not go, if only you would not worry:


All links to RIA and colleagues Odyssey and mine is and publicly available.

[Garris199]

If the redoubt does not work on the frigate, then the drill corvettes of the 20380 family are obtained without an air defense system?

[Alex777]

At 20380, the Redoubt fires through Puma.
But recently there was a tower with the Headlight of the Shell - with it everything should be better.
There is a suspicion that at 20386 in the Reduta launcher there are Tor-M2 missiles of the "chilled" one.
In the pictures, with an increase, it is clear that the missiles in the mine are 4. The choice is simple - either 9M100, or 9M338.
9M100 no one saw, or no one admits that he saw.
And then the presence of the Barrier and the absence of Polenta are clear.

[ordinary]

Quote: mr.redpartizan

The surface fleet never played a major role for Russia's security, after the Second World War the main role was assigned to the ground forces, the Air Force and the Strategic Missile Forces. Strategic Rocket Forces is the most reliable shield of our Motherland against an external enemy.

Now it’s just the opposite ... the presence of a modern fleet allows you to take a very effective part in key events of geopolitics in different parts of the world

[2-0]

I really have the Ukrainian flag, because I live here. But I will write about the Russian Federation, the homeland and the country of citizenship.
We would (in the sense of them, that is, rulers), morons, not to climb into all the cracks, but to take care of our own country. Effective participation in key events of geopolitics ...
For on ... we have this Syria, if not for the Qatari pipeline. After all, the last penny and orphans would be taken away, or substantially reduced.
True, they’ll take it anyway ... Assad is a pity, but not a tenant.

[Wolka]

glorious boat, God grant him seven feet under the keel and a long glorious life ...

[Alexey-74]

Well, that’s nice, even if the terms are slightly postponed - it’s not scary, the main thing will be beneficial, and already the finish line and the next new frigate will go into operation of the Navy !!!

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Not really with the death of Tsar Peter flew the Russian fleet? Ushakov from the northern seas Rushing into the SMOKE .......... NAVY AND NOT A SHAME FOR YOU? The Pacific himself, the Kamchatka flotilla, boats with antennas, with balls .....

[Manul]

It's time to upgrade already.