Israeli military intend to upgrade the entire fleet of Apache helicopters

The Israeli Defense Ministry announced the launch of a program to modernize Apache helicopters, which are in service with the army, reports MIC with reference to defense24.pl.

According to the portal, in the coming years, the entire fleet of attack helicopters will be updated, consisting of modifications AH-64A and AH-64D. The vehicles were put into service in 1990. Currently, the Israeli army is, according to various sources, from 33-x to 48 "Apache"

“The export versions of these helicopters, created for Israel, are somewhat different from the modifications supplied to the armed forces of the United States and other countries. It is known that Peten (Israeli modification AH-64A) and Saraf (AH-64D) are equipped with increased fuel tanks, ”writes the resource.

It is reported that during the modernization of the machine will receive an updated avionics and electronic systems. The helicopters "will install new additional fuel tanks from the Ayit attack aircraft (the Israeli version of Skyhawk), and will also expand the range of ammunition." Apaches, for example, will be able to use the new APKWS (HYDRA 70 missiles with a laser-guided system) or their GATR-L counterpart.

In addition, “Saraf and Peten will receive an updated tracking and target recognition system that will allow them to find and hit enemy targets at a greater distance, beyond the reach of return fire,” the publication said.

Comments

[Giant thought]

Apparently, the time has come to modernize this old man thoroughly, and then the time is coming and the requirements for modern helicopters are completely different than they were 20 years ago.

[Aaron Zawi]

Yes, the UAV crossed the road for attack helicopters.

[Banishing liberoids]

Did Aaron understand that drone drones are your priority? And why? Indeed, according to the logic of things, turntables and drones can complement each other well? Explain, please

[Razvedka_Boem]

I believe this was facilitated by several factors, the first of course, the fact that there is no risk of losing a pilot. The second is more economical. Thirdly, it’s not so noticeable, it can stay in the air longer, cheaper, and given their success in electronics, it can receive intelligence of good quality.

[loginovich]

Oh, how fried it smelled. Canadians fpot, these are modernizing helicopters, but how is the Khokhloukropy modernizing, I am silent. Why all this?

[Sagittarius]

If there are grandmas, then you can do the modernization of the entire Apache park.

[padded jacket]

Quote: loginovich

Oh, like a fried smell. Canadians fpot, these upgrade helicopters

And what is surprising then?
Both Canada and Israel are allies of Washington and enemies of Russia, and they simply upgrade their weapons for a major war against our country and wait for them to receive an order from the United States - Forward to attack us ..
Why do you think Israel is increasing its nuclear arsenals? Iran does not have its opponent of nuclear weapons; Pakistan does not have a Muslim country, but it does not have delivery vehicles; Israel has only one enemy, and this is Russia.

[Wiskar]

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and enemies of Russia

No, Israel is not and was not an enemy of Russia.

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and they just upgrade their weapons for a big war against our country and wait for them to receive an order from the USA

It’s not funny for yourself?

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Why do you think Israel is increasing its nuclear arsenals?

For the same as Russia and the USA - so that the enemy knows that if he hits, he himself will cease to exist. The weapon of deterrence.

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Iran has no opponent of nuclear weapons

Israel has many potential adversaries, and not only potential ones. Iran can create nuclear weapons if desired. But the problem here is that Muslims often cannot live normally between themselves and constantly fight and kill each other, and as soon as information arrives that Iran has made nuclear weapons, other countries that are fighting for supremacy in the Muslim world, for example, Saudi Arabia and Egypt others - they will also begin to create it and the arms race will begin. So far, only Israel, which does not pretend and has not claimed in the territory of neighboring Muslim states, knows that Israel will not apply it, as it did not in the last war, although it already had nuclear weapons, except in cases of mortal danger to the state. That is, the meaning is simple - do not go to Israel and Israel will not apply it.
But nuclear weapons in Muslim countries, where religious fanatics and dictators rule and regimes fall, anything can happen.

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Israel comes out with only one enemy and this is Russia.

The logic at your kindergarten level

[padded jacket]

Quote: Wiskar

No, Israel is not and was not an enemy of Russia

And who is he if he supports terrorists in Syria and an ally of the United States?

Quote: Wiskar

It’s not funny for yourself?

Absolutely not funny, on the contrary, anxious for whom Tel Aviv has prepared more than 200 nuclear devices?

Quote: Wiskar

For the same as Russia and the USA - so that the enemy knows that if he hits, he himself will cease to exist.

But I think that you need nuclear weapons for a joint strike against opponents of the United States.

Quote: Wiskar

Israel has many potential adversaries, and not only potential ones.

In short, I started an eternal Jewish tale from the series - all around me are anti-Semites

Quote: Wiskar

But nuclear weapons in Muslim countries, where religious fanatics and dictators rule and regimes fall, anything can happen.

Yes, yes, yes, in Israel there are no religious fanatics in power
Only Jewish and not Muslim.
For example, Israeli Interior Minister Arie Deri

Quote: Wiskar

The logic at your kindergarten level

Yes, it just is. Although, of course, everyone who does not obey your "masters" from Washington are enemies for Israel.

[Wiskar]

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And who is he if he supports terrorists in Syria and an ally of the United States?

Israel does not support terrorists in Syria.

Russia for Israel is neither a friend nor an enemy, but ..

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Absolutely not funny, on the contrary, anxious for whom Tel Aviv has prepared more than 200 nuclear devices?

Jerusalem prepared them so that the Muslim comrades knew that even if they gathered in a whole bunch, there would be enough nuclear devices for everyone

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But I think that you need nuclear weapons for a joint strike against opponents of the United States.

According to the opponents of Israel, if they try to destroy Israel. I can recall that Israel did not always ask for US permission. It is enough to recall the blow to the Iraqi nuclear reactor.
Israel never entered the war with the United States.

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In short, I started an eternal Jewish tale from the series - all around me are anti-Semites

This is not a fairy tale or do you have information that the Muslim countries around Israel and not only suddenly do not want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth and make this land their own?
The Arabs do not hide that if they could defeat Israel, they would do so. The peace between Israel and Jordan and Egypt is based on the fact that they know that they cannot defeat Israel and that it is beneficial for them to cooperate with Israel since they have to live side by side. Therefore, Jordan will soon purchase gas from Israel, as well as Egypt, not to mention other cooperation.

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Yes, yes, yes, in Israel there are no religious fanatics in power

There are no religious fanatics in power in Israel.

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Only Jewish and not Muslim.

Stupidity.

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For example, Israeli Interior Minister Arie Deri

So what? The presence of religious parties in the Israeli parliament has never had a real impact on critical processes in Israel, its foreign policy and relations between countries.

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Yes, it just is. .

I am glad that you admitted that you have such logic.

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Although, of course, all who do not obey your "masters" from Washington are enemies for Israel.

Not. It’s your habit, apparently, to divide everyone into friends and enemies. But in the real world it’s not like in your fantasies.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Wiskar

Israel does not support terrorists in Syria.

Enough to invent Israeli terrorists support, and apparently not only in Syria.
Israel recognized that army assists Syrian militants
The Israeli news agency Ynet reported that the army continues to provide medical assistance to wounded Syrian militants.

Ynet published an interview with two girls - medical personnel serving in the 474th brigade of the IDF. They said that basically the wounded Syrian bandits are transported across the border to the zone of responsibility of this military unit stationed in the Golan.

After examination and first aid, the victims are transported to hospitals in northern Israel, including the Ziv Medical Center in Safed. One of the army nurses said that over the past 5 months of service, she has provided assistance to more than 100 Syrians.

Military doctors also reported that the wounded arrive every day. Recently, 6 militants in critical condition were brought to them at once. Journalist Ynet clarifies that we are talking about members of factions fighting against the Syrian government.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1468345462

Quote: Wiskar

Russia for Israel is neither a friend nor an enemy, but ..

What God's election again flooded. What about an Israeli Jew?

Quote: Wiskar

Jerusalem prepared them so that the Muslim comrades knew that even if they gathered in a whole bunch, there would be enough nuclear devices for everyone

That is, the Israeli regime wants to start a world nuclear war?
Here it is the peace of the Israeli Jews.

Quote: Wiskar

According to the opponents of Israel, if they try to destroy Israel. I can recall that Israel did not always ask for US permission

No need for fairy tales, the United States knew about your strike on Iraq.

Quote: Wiskar

Israel never entered the war with the United States.

But the United States supports Israel in all wars (well, maybe except for the aggression of Tel Aviv against Egypt in 1956) against neighbors and weapons and money.

Quote: Wiskar

This is not a fairy tale or do you have information that the Muslim countries around Israel and not only suddenly do not want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth and make this land their own?

Yes, no one needs you Israeli Jews, give back the Palestine that you occupied to its rightful owners, the Arabs and other lands seized by you.
And all the neighbors will forget about you.

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The peace between Israel and Jordan and Egypt is based on the fact that they know that Israel cannot be defeated.

The so-called peace between Israel and Egypt and Jordan is solely the merit of the United States which imposed these treaties on the corrupt politicians of these countries. Ordinary people of Egypt and Jordan Israeli Jews hate you.

Quote: Wiskar

There are no religious fanatics in power in Israel.

There is still as it is.

Quote: Wiskar

So what? The presence of religious parties in the Israeli parliament has never had a real impact on critical processes in Israel, its foreign policy and relations between countries.

That is, the religious fanatics of the Jews in power in Israel are all the same as you yourself now recognized.

Quote: Wiskar

I am glad that you admitted that you have such logic.

This is the logic of common sense.

Quote: Wiskar

It’s your habit, apparently, to divide everyone into friends and enemies.

Naturally, a third is not given if Israel supports terrorists against whom Russia is fighting, then he is the enemy of our country.

Quote: Wiskar

But in the real world it’s not like in your fantasies.

And this is just the real world.
But your constant screams - Around Antisemites - Save Israel Want to Destroy and so on are more like nonsense.

[Wiskar]

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The Israeli news agency Ynet reported that the army continues to provide medical assistance to wounded Syrian militants.

There was no such message.

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Journalist Ynet clarifies that we are talking about members of factions fighting against the Syrian government.

In fact, if you are not in the know, then not everyone who fights against the assassin and dictator Assad is a terrorist. This is recognized by Russia.

And Israel treats those whom the UN delivers and everything in accordance with international humanitarian law.

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What God's election again flooded. What about an Israeli Jew?

It’s like your anti-Semitism popped up.

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That is, the Israeli regime wants to start a world nuclear war?
Here it is the peace of the Israeli Jews.

No, those who read perfectly understood. This is the same as the USA and Russia. It's about containment. Russia uses nuclear weapons only if it is in danger of destruction. Israel will do the same.

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No need for fairy tales, the United States knew about your strike on Iraq.

What do you mean?

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But the United States supports Israel in all wars (well, maybe except for the aggression of Tel Aviv against Egypt in 1956) against neighbors and weapons and money.

As the Soviet Union supported the Arabs, and, moreover, unlike the Americans, who never fought for Israel, the Soviet military (the so-called advisers) died in the war against Israel. As Russia now supports Muslim and Arab regimes.

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Yes, no one needs you Israeli Jews, give back the Palestine that you occupied to its rightful owners, the Arabs and other lands seized by you.
And all the neighbors will forget about you.

One can immediately see complete ignorance of the realities and complete ignorance of the history of the conflict. Learn the mat part.

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Ordinary people of Egypt and Jordan Israeli Jews hate you.

Not all, but many as they are raised in hatred. Here you have been raised by anti-Semite. But fortunately, Arab leaders are not fools - they understand reality, not stupid hatred. Therefore, when members of the Jordanian government make stupid attacks on Israel and calls to break the treaty, the king of Jordan sends them to the forest because he understands that this will only lead to the collapse of their country.

I remember recently the Jordanian minister explained to the people of Jordan about why they are going to buy gas from Israel. Brains are washed there perfectly. But while at the head of Egypt and Jordan are those who understand reality - they will restrain the stupid attacks and stupid behavior of part of the people.

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That is, the religious fanatics of the Jews in power in Israel are all the same as you yourself now recognized.

What is their fanaticism then? Surprise me. And especially explain the influence of their so-called "fanaticism" on the real work of the government?

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This is the logic of common sense.

No, this is the logic of the child.

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Naturally, a third is not given if Israel supports terrorists against whom Russia is fighting, then he is the enemy of our country.

Israel does not support terrorists.
Russia supports Hezbollah terrorists and the terrorist regime of Iran, but Russia is not our enemy, but ...

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- Around the anti-Semites - Save Israel they want to destroy and so on are more like nonsense.

I haven’t written this anywhere. These are your inventions. Anti-Semites love to write like you did now to cover up your anti-Semitism.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Wiskar

There was no such message.

Everything was there by the link to the article.

Quote: Wiskar

In fact, if you are not in the know, then not everyone who fights against the assassin and dictator Assad is a terrorist. This is recognized by Russia.
And Israel treats those whom the UN delivers and everything in accordance with international humanitarian law.

So then Hamas and the valiant Hezbollah correctly kill you because you are invaders and aggressors?

Quote: Wiskar

It’s like your anti-Semitism popped up.

What kind of anti-Semitism is this?
The denunciation of the policies and conduct of the state of Israel is not anti-Semitism.

Quote: Wiskar

What do you mean?

So it was you without the permission of the United States that you yourself are simply afraid to do something.

Quote: Wiskar

As the Soviet Union supported the Arabs, and moreover, unlike the Americans, that they never fought for Israel

Are you volunteers from the USA in the 1948 war?
Yes, and after many sources, in particular, Jewish pilots from the USA participated in aggressive Israeli wars against its neighbors.

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One can immediately see complete ignorance of the realities and complete ignorance of the history of the conflict.

Che again Israeli delirium tell me how someone wants to throw you into the sea
Occupation of Palestine 1948 War of the Year

Quote: Wiskar

Not all,

Yes, everyone in the BV region is hated by Israel as a country of an invader and aggressor.

Quote: Wiskar

Here you were raised by anti-Semite

Yes, you have Israeli Jews ALL who say the truth about your regime are those anti-Semites.

Quote: Wiskar

Therefore, when members of the Jordanian government make stupid attacks on Israel and calls to break the treaty, the king of Jordan sends them to the forest because he understands that this will only lead to the collapse of their country.

Yes, all this because the King of Jordan Abdullah, as before the President of Egypt Sadat, simply sold out to the United States and Israel, and that’s all.
Only because of this, a peace treaty was signed between you.

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But while at the head of Egypt and Jordan are those who understand reality - they will restrain the stupid attacks and stupid behavior of part of the people.

The reality is that community elders are calling on the King of Jordan to create a militia and, at the head of her and the army, go to free Jerusalem from the Jews.
Another reality is that in the military academies of Egypt, the models of the Israeli Merkava act as enemy tanks, and cadets on posters and diagrams study how to destroy them best.

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What is their fanaticism then?

Why surprise you then? You yourself admitted that you have religious parties and their members are in the leadership of your country. That is, religious fanatics of the Jews are present in the government of Israel.

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No, this is the logic of the child.

Please do not compare me with yourself.

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Israel does not support terrorists.

No-no, he creates them.

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Russia supports Hezbollah terrorists and Iranian terrorist regime

You are confusing something with the valiant Hezbollah, a popular patriotic movement that is fighting for the territorial integrity of Lebanon against the aggressive regime of Tel Aviv.
But Iran is generally well done our ally in the antiterrorist coalition.

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but Russia is not our enemy, and so ..

That's why your regime stopped shooting for fear in the direction of Syria

Quote: Wiskar

I haven’t written this anywhere. These are your inventions.

Of course, of course they didn’t write, but who told the tales here that there are terrorists around you and everyone wants to destroy poor Israel.

Quote: Wiskar

Anti-Semites love to write like that

That is, there are anti-Semites who hate poor Jews?

[Simple]

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Yes, all this because the King of Jordan Abdullah, as before the President of Egypt Sadat, simply sold out to the United States and Israel, and that’s all.
Only because of this, a peace treaty was signed between you.

There, the Saudis lowered the oil price below the baseboard, that's all and began to conclude peace treaties.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: Parsec

Yah? What about the Golan?

Forget it, just forget it.

[Parsec]

Quote: Wiskar

So far, only Israel has nuclear weapons, which does not claim and did not claim in the territory of neighboring states

Yah? What about the Golan?

The presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is not confirmed, although the IAEA lists it among those possessing nuclear weapons.
The presence of non-aviation carriers, as well as their characteristics, is not confirmed.
Israel does not have a framework to support the estimated amount of UHF.

[Wiskar]

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Yah? What about the Golan?

So it was not necessary to try to destroy Israel.
Israel occupied the Golan in an attempt by Arab countries to throw Jews into the sea.
At the same time, I repeat once again - before the Arabs attacked Israel, Israel never declared anywhere that the Golan belong to Jews or that Syria occupies part of Israeli territory.
Moreover, a couple of Israeli prime ministers have already tried to exchange the Golan for peace with Syria, but as time shows correctly, what did not work out in the end, since the Golan is a strategic territory with which Israel fires well, and Syria, as we see, is very unstable, like other Arab countries and dictatorial regimes in these countries and possible coups do not add a desire to give the Golan.

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The IAEA lists it among those who own nuclear weapons

Like the SVR of Russia

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The presence of non-aviation carriers, as well as their characteristics, is not confirmed.

They are obvious. For example, Jericho 3 or Popeye Turbo SLCM, which can be put on submarines.
The US report openly says that, for example, Jericho-3 has the ability to launch a missile at a distance of 11500 km with a mass of military equipment of 1000 kg.
No one doubts that Israel can put nuclear warheads on such missiles.

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Israel does not have a framework to support the estimated amount of UHF.

Who told you that?

[Parsec]

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Israel occupied the Golan in an attempt by Arab countries to throw Jews into the sea.

So Israel does not pretend to foreign territory or occupied and held in defiance of UN resolutions? Your legal awareness is ... perverted.
You receive the SVR report on list No. 1, and in the Israeli government hold joint meetings of the Ministry of Defense together with the Ministry of Energy and the Department of Nuclear Physics? Do you know the frequency and scope of work with nuclear warheads and the materials and technologies required for this?

Do not overestimate your competence.

[Aaron Zawi]

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Quote: loginovich

Oh, like a fried smell. Canadians fpot, these upgrade helicopters

And what is surprising then?
Both Canada and Israel are allies of Washington and enemies of Russia, and they simply upgrade their weapons for a major war against our country and wait for them to receive an order from the United States - Forward to attack us ..
Why do you think Israel is increasing its nuclear arsenals? Iran does not have its opponent of nuclear weapons; Pakistan does not have a Muslim country, but it does not have delivery vehicles; Israel has only one enemy, and this is Russia.

Vatnik you propaganda dirtied all the topics. This one has nothing to do with politics, so go from here to another place.

[An60]

Better yet, that you should keep Vatniku company and leave in English without saying goodbye.

[Bayonet]

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.Oh, it smelled like fried. Canadians fpot, these are modernizing helicopters, but how is the Khokhloukropy modernizing, I am silent. Why all this?

And why such a powerful modernization of our army? Well, questions ...

[hirurg]

I did not understand the park upgrade or modernization.
But that Apache is for sure.
The Americans allocated money for the Israeli military-industrial complex, but with more stringent conditions than before. Jacob Kedmi talked about this.

[arcgrz]

the hero is already being sculpted for us from an Israeli intelligence officer, a saboteur who worked against the Russian Federation, the FSB closed his entrance to the territory of the Russian Federation for many years, but he managed to remove measures, and of course, he instantly got to the main political show in Israel .. oh, excuse me, to the main political show in Russia, in a transmission to the representative of the informational forces of the mossad, Comrade Soloveyka .. yes. Well, there he is competing, in the right to be considered the main patriot of Russia, now are Eskin, Satanovsky .. well, Soloveyka is beyond competition. The Information Mossad works smoothly, openly, and with our money, we pay for their work against ourselves and choose heroes from them .. yes
http://catmotya.blogspot.ru/2016/03/blog-post_21.

[hirurg]

Dear friend! Heroes are not sculpted, they become. This is the first.
2. It’s not a sin to listen to a smart person
3. This person was born and lived in the USSR
4. It is much more adequate than many inland experts.
5. I didn’t notice the lies behind him.
6. He is not the last resort.

[novobranets]

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The Americans allocated money for the Israeli military-industrial complex, but with more stringent conditions than before.

-Izya, how many tablespoons of sugar you put in tea? Five or six? - Three, but I saw a schaub.

[tanit]

The Israelis have lived for more than one year (century) in a state of "friends around". I think that even Jordan, insignificant in its current state, will easily violate all agreements if it smells of revenge.
I recall the Soviet anectode, but slightly pass it on ...
What is the connection between the Arab-Israeli conflict and relations between China and the EU? If the conflict is resolved in the direction of the Arabs, then the border between the People's Republic of China and the United Emirates of Europe will pass along the Ural Range.

[arcgrz]

The brightest at a certain moment can simply start to say such things from which the house of the Jewish Evil itself will begin to crumble, because if we say about the House of Evil at least 10% of the truth, there will be nothing left for the people of the world to recognize this house, the house of maniacs, what kind of light I’ve seen and with this nada buit cho to decide ... So, the Most Serene quieter did it. here the nonchi on the First about 911 said SUCH in a nightmare it was impossible to imagine injury, you know what the hell is moving on mouse heads slowly but surely ...
https://catmotya.blogspot.ru/2016/09/11.html

[voyaka uh]

Is it buggy? Hold on. It will pass by itself, if not aggravate .

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

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I recall the Soviet anectode

I like modern

There was a Jew. Most of all he liked to watch porn movies backwards. And he especially liked the moment at the end, where the prostitute gives the money back.

[padded jacket]

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I think that even the insignificant in the current state of Jordan will easily violate all treaties

And what kind of treaties can the occupier of Israel have with the country?
Do not forget that the population of Jordan is 50% Arabs of Palestinians whose homeland was seized and annexed by the Tel Aviv regime and made themselves refugees who are forced to live in camps in other countries.
Naturally, they hate Israel and Israel

[Wiskar]

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And what kind of treaties can the occupier of Israel have with the country?

The same as with the country occupied by Russia (hello to the Crimea), etc.
The occupation has long turned into a political concept and is used for their own purposes by those who benefit from the political point of view.

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Do not forget that the population of Jordan consists of 50% Arabs of Palestinians whose homeland was seized and annexed by the Tel Aviv regime

The Arabs who left the territory of the future of Israel (including for the most part at the call of their leaders to let the Jews be dealt with, and then return) until 1950 in our time, only a few tens of thousands - all the rest were no longer born in Israel.

It is not for nothing that the current Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas wrote (Filastin A-Thawra, March 1976): “The Arab armies forced the Palestinians to leave their homes”

Fictional Palestinian refugees - considered refugees under a special law that has never been applied to any refugees in the world - call refugees those who were already born in another country. This is an example of double standards.

After the war of 67, about 240 thousand Arabs fled from the territory of Judea and Samaria. That was 50 years ago. Today, there are several tens of thousands of these real refugees alive.

Therefore, those same Palestinian Arabs, these very millions, have nothing to do with Israel and its territory since they are citizens of Jordan (and other countries) and were born in these countries. Some still do not have citizenship there, although they were born there. This is how the Arabs brothers care about each other.

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and they themselves made refugees who are forced to live in camps in other countries.

It's ridiculous, because the reality is that the Arab countries refused to adapt for themselves those who left the territory of Israel and Judea and Samaria and forced them to live in camps and multiply there. Although some countries gave them citizenship, etc.
The UN helps this all because it has a ton of money on it.

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Naturally, they hate Israel and Israel

The funny thing is that not a single Arab country has ever intended to give states to the Palestinians. Jordan had been in possession of Judea and Samaria for 19 years, just like Egypt, and at the same time they were not going to give anything to the Arabs.
A statement stating that Palestine belongs to Syria, and that no “Palestinian people” existed, was also made by Syrian President Hafez Assad.
“Everyone knows that Palestine is nothing but the southern part of Syria,” argued in 1956, before the United Nations General Assembly, the founder and first head of the PLO, Ahmed Shukeyri, then the representative of Saudi Arabia at the UN.

[padded jacket]

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Same as with the country occupied by Russia (hello to Crimea)

We occupied the Crimea?
Stop inventing Crimea joined Russia as a result of a popular referendum in which most of its participants spoke in favor of this step.
Now tell me, was there a referendum in Arab Palestine when Jewish troops occupied it?

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Arabs who left the territory of the future of Israel (including for the most part at the call of their leaders

Nonsense you Arabs forcibly expelled from their land liberating the territory for the Jews whom you planned to bring from Europe and the United States.

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Therefore, those same Palestinian Arabs - these very millions have nothing to do with Israel and its territory

That is, you are Jewish immigrants who have never lived in large numbers on this land, have the right to it?
You remind me of the Americans who, when they came to America, exterminated its inhabitants of the Indians and drove the rest to the reservation and then declared these lands their own.
So you Jews there are only completely alien invaders who drove away or killed its rightful owners of the Arabs.

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It's ridiculous, because the reality is that the Arab countries refused to adapt for themselves those who left the territory of Israel and Judea and Samaria and forced them to live in camps and multiply there.

The reality is that the Palestinian Arabs have their own country called Palestine, but at the moment it is under the occupation of the Jews and someday they will definitely return it.

[Banishing liberoids]

And that Israel does not create its own helicopters - in the sense of an analogue of the same Apache?

[voyaka uh]

The mechanics of helicopters are unusual for us.
No experience.
It makes no sense to start such projects from scratch. It's easier to buy a finished box
and stuff it with your avionics and weapons.

[Banishing liberoids]

A warrior - nothing in Russian? Don't you think that someday you yourself will have to do the development of helicopters yourself? Life is a complicated thing, it can happen. Could now, so to speak, in an instinctive manner try to create your own prototype. Any experience in this regard is invaluable.

[Damir]

Don’t worry, you’re so so ... what will they buy from us ...

[voyaka uh]

It is impossible to do everything at once. Need something
specialize and become one of the best.
We have this software, scientific and military electronics, medical devices.

South Koreans, for example, specialized in shipbuilding,
consumer electronics. They became the best.
The Japanese make cars the best ... Why do we chase them?

[novobranets]

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Could now, so to speak, in an instinctive manner try to create your own prototype.

Israel is not such a big country to be sprayed in all directions. They selected several industries, and did well.

voyaka
It is impossible to do everything at once. Need something
specialize and become one of the best.
We have this software, scientific and military electronics, medical devices.

As a medical engineer. equipment, I can say - Israeli equipment, very decent quality.

[padded jacket]

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Israel is not such a big country to be sprayed in all directions

Well, firstly, it is highly doubtful that they themselves are able to create a helicopter, and secondly, who will allow them that?
The United States pays them $ 3 billion 800 million a year for a reason, namely, for Israeli Jews to buy planes and helicopters from them.

[novobranets]

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The USA pays $ 3 billion 800 million a year for nothing

But interesting, but what in return? What would the states give someone money just like that, I won’t believe it.

[padded jacket]

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But interesting, but what in return?

In return, Israel faithfully serves Washington is the gendarme in the region spawns terrorism in general he is "looking" at the BV from the United States
In addition, as many Jews live in the United States as there are in Israel itself, that is, about 6 million people.
A Jew is a friend of a Jew

[Wiskar]

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spawns terrorism

In your wild fantasies.

[Wiskar]

Quote: novobranets

But interesting, but what in return? What would the states give someone money just like that, I won’t believe it.

Instead
1) Work for the American defense industry for billions + the introduction of Israeli products and technologies in the American
2) Neutralization of competition in terms of military products (for example, Israel abandoned its aircraft, etc.)
3) The work between special services and the possibilities of Israel regarding intelligence in Muslim countries - for the United States it is very important.
4) Israel is a faithful and most importantly stable US ally in the Middle East. The presence of such an ally in the United States in the Middle East is very important and beneficial to the United States.

But Israel, with all this, receives not only money, but also access to technologies, joint projects, participation in development (for example, wings and helmets for the F35) and customization of the clientele. Although at the expense of the latter there is a problem because where Israel and the United States compete, the United States often likes to squeeze Israel or put VETO for sale to some countries for hundreds of millions of dollars.

For Israel, aid from the United States itself is not particularly beneficial, it is rather a sign of an alliance. Israel gains more from the technology and doors that the US opens.

Israel has nowhere else to take certain weapons and technologies, except for the United States. Israel, of course, cannot take them from Russia, but no one else has them. And Israel itself cannot produce the same ones, for example, aircraft of such a level as the F-35 - it is incredibly expensive and even for the United States pays off only with huge orders.

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Quote: Wiskar

Israel has nowhere else to take certain weapons and technologies, except for the United States. Israel, of course, cannot take them from Russia, but no one else has them. And Israel itself cannot produce the same ones, for example, aircraft of such a level as the F-35 - it is incredibly expensive and even for the United States pays off only with huge orders.

"Certain" ??? Yes, Israel buys almost all types of basic weapons. This is an objective reality. Like any other small state, Israel
physically cannot be independent in the sphere of self-sufficiency in types of weapons (and everything else: Israel has a negative balance in terms of the ratio of exports to imports, that is, it imports more than it exports and is not self-sufficient).

[Turkestan]

Well, firstly, it is highly doubtful that they themselves are able to create a helicopter, and secondly, who will allow them that?

And you do not doubt

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI, Hebrew תעשיה אווירית) - Israel Aviation Industry. The Israeli concern, the main office is actually located at the Ben Gurion Airport in the Greater Tel Aviv area. It is a well-known company in the Israeli military-industrial complex. The company was founded in 1953. Production of aircraft and avionics, production of instruments and equipment for space satellites, communications and reconnaissance. One of the world's leading developers and manufacturers of UAVs, some of them have no analogues in the world practice of aircraft manufacturing, they have produced and are releasing:

IAI E-HUNTER Tactical Reconnaissance UAV
IAI HARPY Anti-Radar UAV
IAI RANGER Tactical Reconnaissance UAV
IAI Scout Tactical Reconnaissance UAV
IAI SEARCHER Tactical Reconnaissance UAV
IAI SEARCHER II Tactical Reconnaissance UAV
IAI, RUAG, Oerlikon ADS 95 RANGER reconnaissance UAV
IAI Heron - Long range reconnaissance UAV
Actively engaged in the modernization of aircraft around the world. Aircraft produced: Nesher Fighter ("Eagle") IAI Nesher, Kfir IAI Kfir - an all-weather multirole fighter.

RQ-5 Hunter - tactical reconnaissance UAV
IAI Eitan - UAV reconnaissance
IAI's Bedek Aviation (Hebrew: ט מטוסים) competes successfully with Boeing in converting passenger aircraft to cargo aircraft. The Bedek division holds a Type Approval Certificate for Boeing 737-300, 767-200, 747-200 / -400 aircraft. The company is to receive a similar certificate for B-737-400 soon.

[Wiskar]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, firstly, it is highly doubtful that they themselves are able to create a helicopter, and secondly, who will allow them that?

It’s able to do it, but it will take years and a lot of billions to do it, but what's the point? It will be very difficult to sell them later, if at all, and for yourself, for the sake of a couple of dozen, investing huge funds and resources does not make sense.

Quote: quilted jacket

The United States pays them $ 3 billion 800 million a year for a reason, namely, for Israeli Jews to buy planes and helicopters from them.

Not to buy from Russia

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Quote: Wiskar

It’s able to do it, but it will take years and a lot of billions to do it, but what's the point? Selling them later will be very difficult, if at all

Israel is not capable of producing high-speed aircraft over the full production cycle — development, pilot production, testing, modernization — it has neither production nor technology, and never will be. This is due to geography, geology and population.

[Wiskar]

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Israel is not capable of producing high-speed aircraft over the full production cycle — development, pilot production, testing, modernization — it has neither production nor technology, and never will be. This is due to geography, geology and population.

I do not agree. Israel is able to organize the production of aircraft, but it will take time, resources and of course it will take YEARS and many billions. No one will throw such resources on it.
It is not a matter of ability, but of priorities and sense of producing what can be bought much cheaper.

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I don’t agree, that's all. Argument.

Those. what does geography, geology and population have to do with it?

[voyaka uh]

I was particularly intrigued by geology

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

Well, firstly, it is highly doubtful that they themselves are able to create a helicopter, and secondly, who will allow them that?

Vatnik will definitely not allow, but Vatnik’s opinion does not interest them

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: novobranets

Israel is not such a big country to be sprayed in all directions. They selected several industries, and did well.

Let's face it, we are a small country.
though there are certain advantages in this.

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Quote: voyaka uh

It's easier to buy a finished box
and stuff it with your avionics and weapons.

Not a box, but an aircraft that Israel itself cannot produce.

[voyaka uh]

An aircraft without avionics is exactly the box.

Lavi was once done. Technologically, it was a success, even ahead of the F-16.
But then it became clear that deploying production was an impossible task
and the project is unprofitable for the country.
From now on, we prefer to buy cases and engines, but start
their own devices, their software and weapon systems.

I see you can’t swallow that Israel is one of the largest in the world.
technology centers? Nevertheless, this is so. 4th place. In order: 1. Silicon Valley
2. Boston area 3. Tokyo area 4. Israel.
But the Chinese are crowded. And the South Koreans.

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Quote: voyaka uh

Lavi was once done. Technologically, it was a success, even ahead of the F-16.
But then it became clear that deploying production was an impossible task
and the project is unprofitable for the country.

A very bold statement, given that the project was minimized in favor of the F-16.

It is not clear then the expression "technologically it was a success." What is it like?
Since the phrase goes further and does:

But then it became clear that deploying production was an impossible task
and the project is unprofitable for the country.

which, as it were, hints that she "did not shmogla" ...
By the way, what kind of engine was installed on the Lavi? Your own, domestic, or foreign?

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: voyaka uh

It's easier to buy a finished box
and stuff it with your avionics and weapons.

it is not easier. This is a long and terrible negotiations with the United States, that would put something ours.

[Holoy]

The legendary helicopters of Israel. Many terrorists dunk!

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Quote: Holoy

The legendary helicopters of Israel. Many terrorists dunk!

As well as children of women and the elderly in neighboring countries

[Holoy]

Quote: quilted jacket

As well as children of women and the elderly in neighboring countries

I’ll tell you a secret, the war in white gloves is not being waged ... Israeli civilians, including our compatriots, are dying ...

About the Terrorists, I meant, first of all, the targeted Liquidation of their Leaders by Apache helicopters, for example, the spiritual leader of the terrorist organization Hamas, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Holoy

I’ll tell you a secret, war in white gloves is not being waged ...

What other gloves are that? Israel is a well-known aggressor in the BV who does not shun the killings of civilians.

Quote: Holoy

Israeli civilians are dying

Compared to the mass killings of Palestinians, casualties among Israeli civilians are negligible.

Quote: Holoy

including our compatriots ...

Well, nonsense, where are our compatriots among the Israeli Jews?
Or do you mean those Jews who accepted the citizenship of Israel and retained the citizenship of the USSR / Russia?

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Quote: Holoy

for example, the spiritual leader of the Hamas terrorist organization, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.

Why is he a terrorist?
In Russia, Hamas is not considered a terrorist organization. Hamas is a nationally patriotic movement.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: quilted jacket

Quote: Holoy
The legendary helicopters of Israel. Many terrorists dunk!
As well as children of women and the elderly in neighboring countries

as well as nemereno desert jerboas.

[Bayonet]

Quote: quilted jacket

Quote: Holoy

The legendary helicopters of Israel. Many terrorists dunk!

As well as children of women and the elderly in neighboring countries

Forgot teachers and doctors, benefactor

[Holoy]

By the way, Israel has a good defense industry ...

Look, for example, an excellent machine gun was developed by Tavor ... they refuse to give a cheaper American M16 ... I know that the Givati ​​Brigade is armed with Tavor. I wonder if all the IDF units switched to Tavor?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Holoy

Look, for example, an excellent machine gun was developed by Tavor ... they refuse to give a cheaper American M16 ... I know that the Givati ​​Brigade is armed with Tavor. I wonder if all the IDF units switched to Tavor?

Not all. not combat units, for example, it does not shine, with the M-16 and the ultrasound is like.

[voyaka uh]

All but the airborne brigade, which chose to stay with the M-4

[Holoy]

35th brigade Tsanghanim? Strange ... like Tavor is more convenient than the M-4 automatic carbine ...

The Tavor special forces appreciated ... many have already begun to buy it from you. Somewhere I even heard about Vietnam ...

[Holoy]

I found a curious photo:



Kfir brigade with M-4
Golani Brigade with Tabor
Brigade Tsanghanim Airborne Forces with M-4
Givati ​​Brigade with Tabor
Nahal Brigade with Tabor

[MACCABI-TLV]

Kfir switched to the brand.

[Incvizitor]

Well, this is an incentive for Iran to buy mi 28 and mi 35

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Quote: Incvizitor

Well, this is an incentive for Iran to buy mi 28 and mi 35

Iran until 2020-21 does not have the right to purchase offensive weapons. Rather, it has a BUT only with the permission of the UN Security Council, but he will not give it because the United States is sitting there, which will use the veto right at the "request" of Israel ..

[Incvizitor]

Well, that means they will buy C 350 and can 400.

[padded jacket]

Quote: Turkestan

Who's that? as a microscopic example

I understand your noble anger, but this is the fee that the Tel Aviv regime pays for the occupation of Arab Palestine.
Now, if your family had their land taken away from your house and driven into settlements, would you not have taken revenge on the invaders?
It’s another matter that killing civilians is bad by our standards (but keep in mind that the Jews and the Arabs have their own ideas about morality), but the Tel Aviv regime does this so that everyone is good there and it is not yet known which of them is worse.

[gladcu2]

The photo is beautiful for the article.

And the comments are stupid.

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Quote: gladcu2

The photo is beautiful for the article.

And the comments are stupid.

I agree. Your, just, a vivid example.

[OLD FART]

In principle, Israel is right, they will need these turntables percussion .... Everything in the world is changing and especially in the Middle East.! The iron dome will not save them ...

[Wolka]

and that the Jews can’t put our Black Shark on its feet anymore, why did they buy it, Apaches are more expensive, and in terms of performance characteristics they are somewhat inferior to the beauty

[tilix]

why then bought

what did the Jews buy?

TTX slightly inferior

Fight not TTH. In general, can you imagine what it is to change military weapons of this type?

[MarioG]

Even if desired, I strongly doubt that they will sell.
Usually in the contract, for deliveries to Israel, the possibility of a complete replacement for, electronics and weapons is stipulated, it is also even hypothetically unlikely to be allowed to turn the sharks ... well, maybe barter, drones to sharks

[MACCABI-TLV]

Change the UAV to a helicopter; change the flea.

[burigaz2010]

Quote: Wiskar

Quote: quilted jacket

The Israeli news agency Ynet reported that the army continues to provide medical assistance to wounded Syrian militants.

There was no such message.

Quote: quilted jacket

Journalist Ynet clarifies that we are talking about members of factions fighting against the Syrian government.

In fact, if you are not in the know, then not everyone who fights against the assassin and dictator Assad is a terrorist. This is recognized by Russia.

And Israel treats those whom the UN delivers and everything in accordance with international humanitarian law.

Quote: quilted jacket

What God's election again flooded. What about an Israeli Jew?

It’s like your anti-Semitism popped up.

Quote: quilted jacket

That is, the Israeli regime wants to start a world nuclear war?
Here it is the peace of the Israeli Jews.

No, those who read perfectly understood. This is the same as the USA and Russia. It's about containment. Russia uses nuclear weapons only if it is in danger of destruction. Israel will do the same.

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No need for fairy tales, the United States knew about your strike on Iraq.

What do you mean?

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But the United States supports Israel in all wars (well, maybe except for the aggression of Tel Aviv against Egypt in 1956) against neighbors and weapons and money.

As the Soviet Union supported the Arabs, and, moreover, unlike the Americans, who never fought for Israel, the Soviet military (the so-called advisers) died in the war against Israel. As Russia now supports Muslim and Arab regimes.

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Yes, no one needs you Israeli Jews, give back the Palestine that you occupied to its rightful owners, the Arabs and other lands seized by you.
And all the neighbors will forget about you.

One can immediately see complete ignorance of the realities and complete ignorance of the history of the conflict. Learn the mat part.

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Ordinary people of Egypt and Jordan Israeli Jews hate you.

Not all, but many as they are raised in hatred. Here you have been raised by anti-Semite. But fortunately, Arab leaders are not fools - they understand reality, not stupid hatred. Therefore, when members of the Jordanian government make stupid attacks on Israel and calls to break the treaty, the king of Jordan sends them to the forest because he understands that this will only lead to the collapse of their country.

I remember recently the Jordanian minister explained to the people of Jordan about why they are going to buy gas from Israel. Brains are washed there perfectly. But while at the head of Egypt and Jordan are those who understand reality - they will restrain the stupid attacks and stupid behavior of part of the people.

Quote: quilted jacket

That is, the religious fanatics of the Jews in power in Israel are all the same as you yourself now recognized.

What is their fanaticism then? Surprise me. And especially explain the influence of their so-called "fanaticism" on the real work of the government?

Quote: quilted jacket

This is the logic of common sense.

No, this is the logic of the child.

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Naturally, a third is not given if Israel supports terrorists against whom Russia is fighting, then he is the enemy of our country.

Israel does not support terrorists.
Russia supports Hezbollah terrorists and the terrorist regime of Iran, but Russia is not our enemy, but ...

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- Around the anti-Semites - Save Israel they want to destroy and so on are more like nonsense.

I haven’t written this anywhere. These are your inventions. Anti-Semites love to write like you did now to cover up your anti-Semitism.

Now I have one question? If Assad is a murderer and dictator, then who are the Saudi kings, for example? And why do they calmly bomb Yemen? We'll talk about human rights in Saudi Arabia next time! You unselected !!!!!!

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: burigaz2010

If Assad is a murderer and dictator, then who are the Saudi kings, for example? And why do they calmly bomb Yemen?

read about the theory of relativity and about relativism, there they explain it all.

[burigaz2010]

What about the God-chosen Jews? Where are the documents signed by god himself? If anything, the Orthodox himself!

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: burigaz2010

Where are the documents signed by god himself?

"- I hereby certify that the bearer of this Nikolai Ivanovich spent the aforementioned night at a ball with Satan, being attracted there as a means of transportation ... put, Hella, a parenthesis! Write" hog "in parenthesis. Signature - Behemoth."

present this type of certificate?