In the Rada recognized the differences with the EU on the sequence of the implementation of the Minsk agreements

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Indeed, Ukraine and Brussels have differences over the sequence of events aimed at preparing elections in the Donbass, reports UNIAN statement by the Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Irina Gerashchenko.





According to Gerashchenko, at the negotiations in Minsk, Kiev insists that “one of the key principles for the possibility of holding elections in the Donbass should be not only security, but security is not three days without shelling, but a stable world”, but also “withdrawing troops of the Russian Federation from the occupied territory ".

Also, “a prerequisite is to connect the Ukrainian media there so that possible elections can be held there in accordance with high OSCE standards.”

“So far, none of these points, neither on security nor on others, as a prerequisite for the possible holding of elections in the Donbas, is a compromise,” she said.

Gerashchenko noted that "the European partners insist on the parallel implementation of both the security point and the political point."

“The Ukrainian side was talking about consistency, because this story parallelism is not realistic, ”she said.

"While they are shooting at the Donbas, more than 40 thousand illegally armed persons are present there, of which more than 6 thousand are personnel Russian military, not one of the Ukrainian and European observers will go there" - said the deputy.

“If the European Parliament officially forbade its employees to visit the Donbass for one hour, because it’s dangerous there, how can there be elections?” She asked, adding that “if we need a paper diploma, just tick off that we all settled, it can be said today that they (elections) have been held. ”

“Ukraine also insists on the return of control over the border. The border with a hole in 400 km ... We want to ensure a safe Ukraine, so the border must be controlled, ”said Gerashchenko.

Recall that last week Daria Olifer, a representative of the Ukrainian contact group, said that holding elections on the territory of Donbass uncontrolled by Kiev is “not possible”.
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  1. +20
    1 November 2016 09: 58
    New numbers every time. Starting from 200 thousand, the figures are planned to be reduced. A week ago, the junta spoke about 9 thousand, and now it is talking about 6 thousand professional Russian military. I see it will soon slide down to the number "0" thous.
    1. +11
      1 November 2016 10: 03
      Indeed, Ukraine and Brussels have disagreements over the sequence of events

      Well, what's the question then? Enter sanctions against them, put them in a corner, declare ATO WEIGHT in the end, "sluggish vyalikoukry" Ugh di ... b .... negative
      1. +6
        1 November 2016 10: 05
        They apparently have their own number series and the number 11 goes immediately after the deuce. D. B. ..
        1. +7
          1 November 2016 10: 37
          Indeed, Ukraine and Brussels have disagreements

          Twenty-five again ... It seems that the stubborn Svidomo even cannot agree with themselves where to try with others. But they continue to bend their line with the obstinacy of an elephant wounded in the loin portion.
          "I will stretch the plaster, I will bend crutches - but I will boldly hang" Chkalov "on my chest." lol
        2. +1
          1 November 2016 12: 05
          The Verkhovna Rada, and with it the greater part of Ukraine, exists in parallel reality, so there is nothing to expect from them.
    2. Sly
      +2
      1 November 2016 10: 03
      Quote: Sith Lord
      Each time new numbers, now speaks of 6 thousand

      Yeah, I also noticed, it feels like every time just on the go they take from my head
      1. +7
        1 November 2016 10: 40
        Yeah, I also noticed, it feels like every time just on the go they take from my head

        They are not out of my head (there are sawdust), they are either from "Potolotsky's reference book" or from "the OBS news agency (one woman said)" wassat
    3. +3
      1 November 2016 10: 14
      All this from the comedy: "Find consensus! And kicking it, kicking it ...! " However, the more disagreements between Chapito and the EU, the better! In the end, the Donbass will hold the elections by itself, without the "high standards of the OSCE"!
    4. 0
      1 November 2016 10: 43
      the pedro always has different numbers. that will wander into the head after the next glass will blurt out
      1. 0
        1 November 2016 11: 13
        But what is he drinking interestingly? Viskar does not stick, vodka, either. you need not lowered moonshine, i.e., solid acetone (whoever does it for himself will understand)
    5. 0
      1 November 2016 11: 36
      These scum are so overgrown that they began to set conditions even for their patrons.
  2. +6
    1 November 2016 10: 01
    “The Ukrainian side spoke of consistency, because this story of parallelism is not realistic,” she said

    Parallel-sequential? There, on the territory of "404", everything is exclusive perpendicular common sense!
    1. 0
      1 November 2016 12: 05
      It will be correct-PENDICULAR.
  3. +3
    1 November 2016 10: 09
    As long as there is a fascist regime in Ukraine, there will be no security in the Donbass, and all the danger in the republics for all kinds of commissions comes from shelling from an ukrofascist state, until the Nazis dominate in Kiev and there can be no question of any there will be no peace.
  4. +1
    1 November 2016 10: 26
    one of the key principles for the possibility of holding elections in the Donbass should be not only security, but security - this is not three days without shelling, but a stable peace
    The main condition for ensuring safety is stalling the ukroverrmacht !!!! not a word not a word about the withdrawal of the ukroverrmacht from the line of contact, what else is there about guns over 100 mm. it was ... and most importantly - there is no political will to decide something peacefully, and this very political will is determined by orders from the American embassy ... that is. as they did not observe anything, so they do not intend to observe anything ... all this next screech to shake the air "on the topic" ...
  5. +2
    1 November 2016 10: 33
    in general, it was necessary to introduce a clause in the resolution so that in a place with the withdrawal of regular troops of the Russian Federation, observation posts and support services for Martian starships and their allies should also be withdrawn. and also that all blacks become white and the Chinese eyes become five rubles in size. failure to comply with these paragraphs, the Ukrainian side refuses all agreements previously signed by it.
  6. +3
    1 November 2016 10: 33
    “Ukraine also insists on the return of control over the border. The border with a hole in 400 km ... We want to ensure a safe Ukraine, so the border must be controlled, ”said Gerashchenko.
    This is Mrs. Gerashchenko’s hole in your ..... and in your head too. Negotiate with you like with a lamppost. True, there is a sense from him that people illuminate the road. And from you the Kiev authorities only death comes.
  7. +1
    1 November 2016 10: 34
    It is already impossible to read, these * pseudo-rational ones!
  8. +3
    1 November 2016 10: 36
    Gradually, the numbers "slide" to realistic. IMHO, on the territory of the LDNR there are no more than 500 "vacationers", most of all in the headquarters and technical intelligence. Nobody will deduce them - and it is quite difficult to calculate them. Nobody will give the border to the ukropskims, this is not discussed at all. And theirs media in Donbass, and so no one is watching, except to laugh wassat
    1. +1
      1 November 2016 10: 56
      Good afternoon!!!! to your IMHO, the instructor is still ... you need to be able to fight, but for this to learn !!!!
  9. 0
    1 November 2016 10: 40
    Sooner, they again started talking about disagreements. Also, they received a visa-free regime from Europe.)
  10. +4
    1 November 2016 10: 50
    What are the Minsk agreements? They have more important things to do ...
    "KIEV, November 1 - RIA Novosti. Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Andriy Parubiy signed a decree under which it is planned to double the salaries of members of the Ukrainian parliament, according to the website of the Rada."
    1. +3
      1 November 2016 11: 45
      the parliament increased its financial security by the 230th vote, and from November 1, the salary of the People’s Deputy, of course, will be 25 “minimum wages” - 36 UAH. (now he receives 250 UAH.). Deputy Speakers Syroed and Gerashchenko will receive up to 17650 minimum wages - 28 thousand UAH, and Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Andrei Parubiy - 40,6 "minimum salaries" (30 thousand UAH).
      Also, according to the decision made, for the remuneration of assistants-consultants to people's deputies, a total monthly fund is set within 16 minimum wages - up to 23,2 thousand UAH.
      But that is not all. The figures mentioned above are based on the current minimum wage of 1450 UAH. However, people's deputies can "get lucky" once again: after all, from December 1 in Ukraine ... the minimum wage is growing - 1600 UAH!
      Therefore, for the last month of this difficult year, servants of the people can put in their pocket from 40 thousand (ordinary people's deputy) to 48 thousand (speaker) hryvnia.
      And they also promise to raise the minimum wage to 3 thousand so they will start to receive under one hundred thousand ...
      Schaub, I lived like that ....
      And so good to start, with 6 thousand cut smile
  11. +2
    1 November 2016 10: 55
    "The withdrawal of troops of the Russian Federation from the occupied territory."

    How else to explain this stupid, or rather looped, that it is not possible to derive what was not introduced. And, characteristically, even the west began to understand this. But arrogance in begging (invented in Ukraine) puts pressure on it and therefore encourages everyone to make new scandalous statements.
    1. +1
      1 November 2016 11: 34
      So this is the meaning of the excuses: it is impossible to fulfill the impossible, therefore the situation will last forever.
      1. 0
        1 November 2016 12: 22
        This is the trump card. How nice and good that this situation is stretched out over time and cause as much harm to Russia as possible.
  12. 0
    1 November 2016 11: 04
    It is impossible to make concessions to the aggressor and terrorists. It ends in a big disaster. Ukraine must comply with all points of the Minsk agreements. And representatives of the junta should sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of the LPR and DPR.
    1. +1
      1 November 2016 11: 46
      Quote: 1536
      And representatives of the junta should sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of the LPR and DPR.

      you constantly repeat that Ukraine does not decide anything, but the United States. So what's the point then to sit down 2 puppets? What can they solve?
    2. +1
      1 November 2016 12: 14
      Quote: 1536
      Ukraine must comply with all points of the Minsk agreements. And representatives of the junta should sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of the LPR and DPR.


      Naive. This will not happen with the current rulers in Kiev. And LDNR will never be reconciled with present-day Ukraine, having lost so many people killed, mutilated and devastated by its actions. For Kiev, the recognition of the republics is legislatively equivalent to shooting themselves in the temple. From this situation, it is necessary to build forecasts and assumptions.
  13. 0
    1 November 2016 11: 07
    Old mare's songs about nothing.
  14. 0
    1 November 2016 11: 11
    To ensure security, you just need to withdraw the ukroviteli from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Regarding securing control over the border, where is it? Ukraine has not demarcated its borders until now. And apparently they consider the "Right Sector", "Azov", etc. to be illegally armed militants. rabble.
    1. +1
      1 November 2016 11: 53
      Quote: denk20
      To ensure security, you just need to remove the protectors from the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk regions

      it will not happen. Expanding gray areas is stupid.
      Quote: denk20
      Regarding control over the border, so where does it go

      those that are recognized by the Russian Federation in the treaties of Ukraine and the Russian Federation (starting from the Big Treaty and 2010)
      Recently, we recognize the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine. Demarcation is a visual process. Ukraine held a one-sided, but this did not suit the Russian Federation.
      Quote: denk20
      And apparently they consider the "Right Sector", "Azov", etc. to be illegally armed militants. rabble.

      They are officially included in NG. Both sides formalized their "illegal" into legal ones. But for Ukraine, all of its "enemies" are illegal. For Districts, similar.
  15. +2
    1 November 2016 11: 21
    Ukraine also insists on regaining control over the border
    so go and control request who doesn’t let that go? what
  16. 0
    1 November 2016 11: 33
    "On a stake it was wet - start over." As soon as Poroshenko returned from Berlin to his native land, talk about the return of the border went around the hundredth circle again. I think that it is necessary to take not only Poroshenko, but the entire Rada to Berlin for a meeting in the Normandy format, maybe then there will be a result. And as an additional incentive to put in the conference room ... a machine gun. And preferably two - so as not to overheat.
  17. +1
    1 November 2016 11: 56
    Minsk, all sides (and not even 2) read differently.
    EU curators - one variation (they would have been faster stability)
    RF-its side (to push the Regions and hang a weight on Ukraine)
    Ukraine- (will receive with reparations)
    Regions- (the illusion of joining the Russian Federation, but in fact into Ukraine as part of Minsk.)
    And the USA is perfect. There are problems for everyone, good.
  18. 0
    1 November 2016 12: 32
    While they are shooting in the Donbas, while there are more than 40 thousand illegally armed persons, of which more than 6 thousand are Russian military personnel,

    They would even agree on the numbers. Otherwise, one has 30000 Russian troops, the other has 40, this one has only 6 straight lines in that task, a flock of files flew west, one file had no handle, what would be the temperature in the apartment if the neighbor does not smoke? wassat
  19. 0
    1 November 2016 13: 13
    that's what thought came to me.

    Ukrainians, tell us how you think relations would have developed if the Russian Federation. said nothing and did not answer what happened in Ukraine. what would then be between countries, what kind of relationship would there be? Economical political, cultural, etc.

    I have my own opinion. which is shared by most Russians, I would like to know your vision of the situation. (That is, Crimea has remained Ukrainian, gas is also flowing, the association has been signed and the border of the Russian Federation is open for goods from the EU. And so on.)
    1. +1
      1 November 2016 14: 45
      Personally, my opinion may differ from other people:
      It seems to me that all the same, this power would unleash a conflict, because, to the kirdyk economy, the people are getting poorer and if they don’t fool him and come up with a horror story about occupation, then the people will go to Kiev. And since a coup (that is, a revolution) took place, the country accordingly rolls back 10-15 years ago, there would be no way out - unless the whole government went to the gallows!
      1. +1
        1 November 2016 16: 25
        Thanks for the answer! but I expected that you would give free rein to fantasy, and describe what would happen if Crimea remained Ukrainian, Yanukovych did not run away to Russia,
        Why did I ask such a question?
        If you read the inhabitants of Ukraine who write on our site and others, it can be understood from their words that if Russia had not annexed Crimea, helped Donbass, had not defended its interests, then there would have been such love and friendship as it had never been. and so Russia ruined everything.
        Asked a question. Now I will wait for answers.
        It is very interesting how they think in Ukraine, that if .... do not hesitate.
  20. 0
    2 November 2016 11: 01
    ... it’s not safe to hold elections because we are setting it up, but firing because we are not allowed to hold our elections, because it’s not safe, since security is a fundamental humanitarian right of a person, we will continue to shell civilians in order to achieve its complete security ...

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