Putin supported the proposal to adopt a law on the Russian nation

Vladimir Putin supported the idea of ​​adopting a law on the Russian nation, voiced at a meeting of the Council on National Relations, reports RIA News.

“Well, what exactly is absolutely possible and necessary to implement, right above this you need to think and start to work in practical terms, this is the law on the Russian nation”, - the president said, closing the meeting.

“Here, Vyacheslav Aleksandrovich proposed our strategy, which we worked out together with you, to transform it. Well, just need to work on this too, as it should, ”he added.

Putin also supported the proposal to hold in the country the Year of Unity of the Russian Nation.

During the meeting, he noted that the government is preparing a profile state program on national policy, which "should really become a single main document for everyone involved in the implementation of the national policy strategy." To carry out this program, it will be necessary to combine the efforts of all relevant structures.

Comments

[Vend]

It's a good thing, the main thing is to work out sensibly.

[Maksus]

Quote: Wend

It's a good thing, the main thing is to work out sensibly.

What good is that? Another demagogy of some kind. What's the point? How will it affect the quality of life and what is the punishment for the violation?

[IrbisRus]

come up with a punishment, do not hesitate. but otherwise the idea is from idiots. the nation in my understanding is Russians, Tatars, Mordovians, Chuvashs, Chechens, Armenians, Greeks, and even more than half a hundred of distinctive and well-recognized nationalities. we are strong and that we are different but like five fingers on a hand in case of trouble clenched into one fist. now they want to erase the differences. I personally do not agree.

[Eragon]

Quote: IrbisRus

nation In my understanding, these are Russians, Tatars, Mordovians, Chuvashs, Chechens, Armenians, Greeks, and even more than half a hundred of distinctive and recognizable nationalities.

Nation (from lat. Natio - tribe, people) - socio-economic, cultural, political and spiritual community of the industrial era [1].
There are two main approaches to understanding a nation: as a political community of citizens of a certain state and as an ethnic community (a form of existence of one or several ethnoses living together) with a single language and self-awareness.
In international law, it is a synonym for a nation state. The concept of "nation" should not be confused with the concept of "nationality".

[serezhasoldatow]

I agree with you. In the USSR, there was an expression that a nation "Soviet people" was created.

[Tatyana]

Interestingly, in this Law "On the Nation" there is a place at least for REMINDERING the existence of the Russian people in the Russian Federation, or will Russia remain after 1917 a state of "titular" national minorities and the Russians "donated" to them for their exploitation?

[Monos]

Quote: Tatiana

Interestingly, in this Law "On the Nation" there is a place at least for REMINDERING the existence of the Russian people in the Russian Federation, or will Russia remain after 1917 a state of "titular" national minorities and the Russians "donated" to them for their exploitation?

Now that's the point! The status of "Russian nationality" as a state-defining identifier must be fixed once and for all. Desirable in the Constitution.

[nikon7717]

The requirement of the Law on the Title nation and its protection from extermination and extinction is brewing.
I will explain. Why are there laws to protect nat. minorities, various peoples and small nationalities, created territorial districts, benefits for them. And what is the result for the Russians? the entry in the passport was previously - nationality. So how much has moved over the past century? Remained a pure nationality? How do Russians with a clan structure behave towards Russians? Who is in power. Look at the middle name. Conclusions?

[Stanislas]

Quote: nikon7717

Who is in power. Look at the middle name. Findings?

In power patronymic Vladimirovich. Suitable for my taste.

[Inquisitor]

Everything is correct !!!

[DVxa]

Exactly.
Everything is done so that there are fewer interethnic conflicts, of which there are now enough at the everyday level. Now nobody says "I am a Russian". Everyone is trying to show their originality and they put it above all else, putting national, for example, traditions above the traditions of the whole country (not the state). And all because there are none yet! For cohesion, an ideology is needed, which will partly erase the differences between nationalities at the level of the entire country, and for good reason, also outside of it ..

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: DVxa

To unite, an ideology is needed, which will partly erase the differences between nationalities at the country level

I am against blurring differences. I am Russian, and they will remain. And with whom do you propose to unite with me? With the Chichiks who drove out 300 Russians from the lands of the Terek Cossack army?

[Stanislas]

Quote: Sergei Medvedev

And with whom do you propose to unite with me?

Our choice is not very wide: either we will be a united people (the nature of a hybrid war requires us to be united long before the first nuclear strikes), or after 50 years about Russia all places from history textbooks will die out, as if it did not exist. The cohesion of Russians as a multi-ethnic civil nation is needed not only for external opposition to the enemy, but also for solving internal problems.

[Gardamir]

obliterate differences

wash. Prohibit Russians. I will be Vyatsky.

[Igor V]

Quote: serezhasoldatow

I agree with you. In the USSR, there was an expression that a nation "Soviet people" was created.

Then Brezhnev said: "... a new community - the Soviet people ..." After that it was difficult to find a public person who did not laugh at this phrase. In the late 80s, she constantly sounded in the speeches of nationalists and played a role in inciting hostility towards each other. In my opinion, Brezhnev had more grounds for such a concept than now, since ideology is prohibited by the constitution and it is possible to unite only on the basis of the memory of past victories. And the nation can be united only after the word "Russian" ceases to be abusive and "extremist."

[Gardamir]

new community - the Soviet people

That’s just community! Outside included all the peoples of the Soviet Union. And the Russian nation is the Yakuts, Chechens and Russians. The name Russian will disappear.

[Tatyana]

Gardamir
The name Russian will disappear.

Do you even understand what you said ?!
Russian is historically a state forming the MOST population of Russia !!! With what kind of hangover do you have it - the Russians - should disappear ?! Drink less and have a good bite! Or you yourself are non-Russian and the non-Russian chauvinist speaks to you!
If the Russians in Russia disappear, then the whole country will fall apart into pieces of territories! For national minorities are not self-sufficient in order to maintain Russia's integrity. They will not be further from their national apartments separately from the Russians !!!
You need to think with your head, not the lower end of your back!

[Gardamir]

Do you even understand what you said ?!

And you? For this, the Russians are created so that they do not pronounce Russian!

[Tatyana]

Yes "Russians" or "Russians" - this is the LOCAL name of the COUNTRY !!! It's like a "citizen of Russia"! And on the national level - nothing else!
And then comes the Russian Tatar - a Tatar from Russia; Russian Jew - a Jew from Russia; Russian Russian - Russian from Russia, etc. In principle, this is all as stated by Igor Berkut in his study for Ukraine.

See "Igor Berkut. Jews or Galicians? 28.04.2016 [Rassvet.TV] Published: 28 Apr 2016

[Tatyana]

Gardamir
For this, the Russians are created so that they do not pronounce Russian!

The whole trouble is that together with the so-called. The Great October Socialist Revolution in Ingushetia not only changed the social system, but also a geopolitical nationalist coup d'etat during the administrative division of the country's territory on the basis of the so-called. "titular" nationalities. At the same time, Russians everywhere in the territory of the former Republic of Ingushetia were removed by the Bolsheviks-Leninists-Trotskyists from the bodies of Soviet power and government. Those. politically and then economically, all national minorities in Soviet Russia - according to the Bolshevik project - became universally "more equal" than Russians.
In other words, Russia from a state of historically primordially Russian people, who took under their protection and guardianship peoples of other nationalities, has turned into a “Russophobic” state of national minorities. In Russia, political isomerism occurred. Namely, the national suburbs of the Republic of Ingushetia in Soviet Russia turned into the titular national colonial METROPOLIES in relation to the Russians, the central power was in the hands of the Jewish globalists - agents of British and American intelligence with the money of Rothschild.
Moreover, in the absence of a national proletariat in the former tsarist suburbs, where feudal and petty-bourgeois relations were preserved, representatives of the local national petty bourgeoisie and repainted feudal lords gained power from the Bolshoi. Industry in the national republics was built mainly by the hands of the Russian and Russian-speaking peoples - people with exactly the HOLD metal.
Thus, bourgeois deformations for the collapse of the USSR in the 1991 year and the collapse of the modern Russian Federation were laid down in Russia by the Bolshevik-Trotskyists from the very beginning of Soviet power.

See:
1. Starikov Nikolay. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. Hitler's fatal mistake .-- St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -368 sec
2. Zueva T.F. Russian question. National crisis and democracy: the administrative-territorial structure of Russia. - St. Petersburg: A.S. Suvorin of the Union of Writers of Russia, 1995. - 32 p. // [Electronic resource]. - Access mode:
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How the current government in the Russian Federation will correct the consequences is now - I do not know. But the law "On the Nation", apparently, is intended to somehow correct this Bolshevik legacy - or to completely gouge Russia before the civil war, depending on who will deal with it.

[igor1981]

Quote: Gardamir

For this, the Russians are created so that they do not pronounce Russian!

Personally, I do not want to be Russian, but I want to be Russian.
Why did they remove the nationality from the passport, I propose to return it. And I do not want Russia to be a cosmopolitan herd, as the United States wants to make Europe herd too.

[Tatyana]

Tatyana 17:20
See:
1. Starikov Nikolay. Who made Hitler attack Stalin. Hitler's fatal mistake .-- St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -368 sec

Oh! Dear forum users, I accidentally - out of carelessness - not the source pointed you! I apologize to you! Guilty!
You need to watch:
1. Starikov Nikolay. 1917. The answer to the “Russian” revolution. - St. Petersburg: Peter, 2015. -416 with

[Stanislas]

Quote: Igor V

And the nation can be united only after the word "Russian" ceases to be abusive and "extremist."

You are setting deliberately impossible conditions. The word "Russian" is "offensive and extremist" only for clinical idiots, and they are not translated.

[IrbisRus]

I do not dispute the difference, just if you tell me the meanings of this word in the context of the Russian language, I will remind you of the nation in the context of history, not long ago. under the USSR there was a common nation-the Soviet people !!! but there was reality in the form of 15 republics and national autonomous regions. united them united, united them united, and what in the end ???? the use of dissatisfaction of national elites conducted by the state of a national association under one comb, plus the economic situation and all !!!! no USSR !!! Now straight to the same rake with songs and dances ????? no dear, do not wait !!!

[Gardamir]

Now straight to the same rake with songs and dances

What do you want? The current president is a loyal follower of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin affair, and therefore they gave him the Crimea, so that they could destroy all of Russia in the wake of euphoria!

[Aleksander]

Quote: IrbisRus

the nation in my understanding is Russians, Tatars, Mordovians, Chuvashs, Chechens, Armenians, Greeks, and

This is a nationality.

Putin suggests making a Western model, where the concepts of nation and state are identical: in France, all are French, in the USA are all Americans, but there are African Americans, Hispanics, etc.

Those. in the future there will be a Russian-Russian, Tatar-Russian, etc.

In my opinion, nobody needs nonsense ....

[dik-nsk]

that's right, the right direction, although it is not copy-paste from the West with their Americans, we already had it - a Soviet person. Putin a couple of years ago talked about the lack of ideology - from there the notorious braces. With the collapse of the union, nationwide ideology did not become, for the unity of the nation it is needed, but the first step is to create the unity of the nation itself, and not as it is now - everyone pokes into nationality. Normal step, let's see what the implementation will be

[IrbisRus]

what, in your opinion, is the disunity of the inhabitants of Russia in your opinion, what methods of solution for unification into one Russian nation will be applied to those who do not want to be rams and go to the stall? how do you explain the fact that the authors of this idea (not specifically who submitted it and the group that created it rather wants to use it) themselves own assets, families keep them farther from Russia.?

[dik-nsk]

you confuse warm with soft. remember (if you lived then) - everyone proudly said in the Union - I am a citizen of the Soviet Union, there was an identification of a person primarily by belonging to the Country, hence patriotism and self-sacrifice for the sake of their homeland, and this was precisely instilled from the unity of categories - the Soviet person. In the states, a system of patriotism is built on the same. Putin talks about this.
ps if you think of our grandfathers who were dying for the country with rams going to the stall, I have nothing to talk about with you

[IrbisRus]

you don’t understand me, sheep are a metaphor. for me, the Russian nation existed and exists with us without additional definitions. in my understanding, we are united by our land, the land on which we live, we are united by the story that our ancestors lived on and we live now. our grandfathers were dying for the fact that the enemy did not enslave us and that we could live, of course, propaganda during the Second World War said that they died for Stalin, but I know for sure that they died for their homeland.

[dik-nsk]

accepted. I agree, exists and existed ..
The comrade above has already kindly explained, okay, I repeat.
from the parade of sovereignty in the early 90s and the subsequent collapse of the union, an emphasis was placed on nationality, not nation. The same notorious Article 5 of the Constitution - every nation has the right to self-determination "also stirred up the republics within Russia, including Chechnya. By the end of Yeltsin's reign, slogans about the Siberian Republic, the Urals, etc. were popular. The enemies played on nationalism, too, ruining us further, the local kings have already tried on the titles of presidents, it is not for nothing that with the advent of Putin they introduced the institution of plenipotentiaries - an element of building a vertical of power.
Our grandfathers just died for their Motherland, considering themselves Soviet, without distinguishing their nationalities, and now look - you just hear "fascist", "chock" .. That is why it is necessary to instill the concept of the Russian nation in every possible way.

[IrbisRus]

in the last paragraph of your commentary there is a part of the sentence, namely, “Our grandfathers were dying for their homeland, considering themselves Soviet — you don’t think that - considering Soviet - not everyone died with such concepts, I think most likely the last thought was still about the family, but not about the tractor factory. you just have to be realistic, the fighters went to the mortal battle for the Soviet Motherland, but everything else is .........

[IrbisRus]

The ideas of a nation itself are not my first problem. without any forms and circulars, I am firmly convinced that I am Russian. the question that is alarming is why now it needs to be raised? the government doubts the loyalty of the people to themselves? why, having such a percentage in the elections in support of the authorities, were they puzzled by this problem?

[IrbisRus]

and the last one. why I changed my attitude to the concept of Soviet. the fact is, living in the USSR, I was sure that our society was unshakable, our course was right. I then did not care for the party, but I knew that they are who determines everything. and hell, perestroika ,,,,, and those who were at the helm suddenly became rich and wealthy and the bulk of the people became poor. okay, this is more or less understandable, so to speak, but faith in our country, in our people (without national divisions) turned out to be fiction, just then division began according to national and religious differences. and as it turned out there is nothing wrong with that. there are costs, but there is no bad. Now I look at it all pragmatically. the state did not support the people, well, the people themselves will take care of themselves, when more or less without the support of the state people learned to live in modern realities, they again try to put on an ideological collar, it used to be Soviet, now Russian. we give a lot of examples in support of him, but if misfortune happened like with the USSR, then the whole ideology is down the drain. already taught.

[Gardamir]

Russian nation existed and exists

What are you all renaming us? The first European lover, Petya called Russia Russia, then to the west, one did not spell steel Russia. Just forget all the pronunciations of English, German, Spanish and read this word, as a Russian person would read Russia is read as Russia!

[dik-nsk]

no one renames, they just carry out self-identification of citizens with the state, and this is primarily through the name of the nation. You are absolutely right, it was Peter who laid the "bomb" in the eradication of the Russian nation, you will start to believe Fomenko here. If we were (by name) Russia now, everyone would be called Russians, regardless of nationality. those. formerly Russian was the identification of citizenship, homeland, land. They made us Russia and Russian became not a nation, but a nationality. something like this

[Stanislas]

Quote: Gardamir

read this word, as a Russian would read Russia reads like Russia!

First write this word as a Russian person would write it - Russ. And in the Dutch or Scandinavian style you want to read - a matter of taste, nmv.

[Aleksander]

Quote: dik-nsk

everyone in the Union proudly said - I am a citizen of the Soviet Union,

Remember, in real life, have you ever said this to someone (I'm not talking about how you felt)? But the fact that they are Russians, Tartars, etc. everyone has said so many times in their lives. And no one said to anyone: "Hey, Soviet!" they said: "Hey, hare!" , "Hey, ho-l!"

[Stanislas]

Quote: Aleksander

in France, all French, in the USA, all Americans

... in India, all Indians, and in China, all Chinese. So what? It is important to define yourself here, what is more important for you personally - belonging to the R1a1 group or Russia. For me now, genetic examination is of much less interest and significance than my native language, family traditions and the history of the state, although in my youth there were other priorities. Once Christ told the Jews, who were proud of their origin, that their haplogroup is nothing more than clay, a building material from which, through spiritual efforts, every person, be he a Hellene, a barbarian or a Jew, creates the Son of God out of himself ("from these stones to erect children to Abraham "). The chief priests did not believe him; they were convinced that being born as a Jew would guarantee inclusion in the electoral list. They, too, were not given the concept of spiritual kinship, which does not cancel blood kinship, but stands above it, morally limiting the ethnic egoism of the latter. Justice and other ethical norms are not carried by the haplotype, but by culture.

[korvin1976]

Dear, IrbisRus. Do not confuse a nation with a nationality. These are slightly different things.
For example, our "sworn friends" have about the same situation, they have a nation, but this nation also includes numerous nationalities.
The idea of ​​"creating" the Russian nation is taking place.
Many nationalities that urge on the territory of the Russian Federation position themselves as Russian, although they are fully aware that they are not Russian by nationality, but let’s say Tajiks, Tatars, Mordvinians, and so on. You can give a huge number of examples when my friends of other nationalities (Tatar, Armenian) call themselves Russian.
On the one hand, this is basically good, on the other hand, the edges are erased and the identity is erased, everything becomes blurred and gray. And here, in the presence of such grayness, radical nationalists just appear, for them it is fertile ground.
In this situation, in the presence of the Russian nation, everything is clearly laid out on the shelves. It will not be necessary to speak and prove that you are Russian, which in principle you are not, but you will be a Russian.

[IrbisRus]

and now to whom should I prove that I am Russian? rather for what? the police are not interested in my words about citizenship, show them the passport argument. Abroad, we are all Russian-speaking all from Russia and it does not matter that someone is from Minsk or Kiev. I am absolutely sure that when wolves begin to drive cattle into a herd, it is not in order to bring them good. you don’t like this metaphor, but the essence is the same - every association is ultimately done in order to exercise control with less expenditure of resources and time, it has been proven since the creation of the world. and beautiful wrappers and carrots that will seduce us in the process of implementing this idea in the end will lead to brutal decay

[Gardamir]

Do not confuse a nation with a nationality

You do not confuse anything? There are Russian people. The people of Russia.

[korvin1976]

One should distinguish between such interrelated, but not identical, concepts as “nation” and “nationality”. The concept of "nationality" in Russia and other countries of the post-Soviet space, expressing ethnic community, is only one of the factors of the nation and nationality. Therefore, it is narrower than the concept of “nation” [6]. This does not apply to other countries where nationality is membership of a certain nation on the basis of citizenship. The source of the ethnic connection of people is the commonality of cultural characteristics and natural conditions of life, leading to the differentiation of this primary group from another. Theorists of racism believed that genetic characteristics are the basis of an ethnic group, but this is refuted empirically (for example, Abkhaz blacks). A nation is a more complex and later formation. If ethnic groups have existed throughout world history, then nations are formed only during the period of the New and even the Newest Time.

A nation can be of two types: multi-ethnic (multi-people) or mono-ethnic [7]. Ethnically homogeneous nations are extremely rare and are found mainly in remote corners of the world (for example, Iceland). Usually a nation is built on the basis of a large number of ethnic groups, which were brought together by historical fate. Multi-ethnic, for example, Swiss, French, British, Russian [8], Vietnamese nations, and Americans generally do not have any pronounced ethnicity. Latin American nations are racially heterogeneous - created from whites, Africans, Creoles and Amerindians.

In some cases, a synonym for a nation is the concept of “people”; in the constitutional law of English and Roman-speaking countries - a term that usually has the meanings “state”, “society”, “the totality of all citizens”.

In the USSR, a nation was more often understood as any ethnic group within the state, and the term “multinational people” was used for a multi-ethnic community, which included, for example, Soviet, Indian, American, Yugoslav and others. In English-language terminology (and in most of the current Russian terminology), a nation is associated with the state, for example, “multi-ethnic nation” is written about Indians. Some researchers believe that the definition of ethnic groups as nations in the USSR was associated with the political and technological need to use the right of nations to self-determination to combat the multi-ethnic countries of the capitalist world

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[IrbisRus]

I want to supplement my thought, Putin once created a party as a united Russia. for what? Naturally, for the realization of their plans, firstly, after it became clear to everyone that you would not make your political career without becoming a member, the whole elite ran into it. then, under the banner of this party, both Putin and Medvedev said that it would be United Russia that would be the locomotive that would lead the Russian people to a better future (as if they didn’t divide the people by nationality, would they?). That is, they had a national idea, but there was no nation ?????? All respected fuss is due to the fact that Putin’s brainchild called United Russia has so much discredited itself that at the time he has to answer !!!! an answer for his promises, for his miscalculations in domestic politics. So the idea was born about the Russian nation, as if it was not there. that is, people went here over the country and thought wondered - and who are we ??? And be sure that if you are implementing this project, then who do you think will be the LEADER OF THE NATION ????????? We ALL know the answer before the project itself was born. and this is nothing more than autocracy.

[korvin1976]

Dear, IrbisRus. Based on your messages and opuses, only one thing becomes clear:
You do not care about the idea itself, the meaning of the idea, and not only that. You are simply an opponent of GDP, and everything connected with it causes a nervous tick, hiccups and uncontrolled diarrhea.

An AvtoVAZ worker, driving the last bolt with a sledgehammer into the Kalina’s building, finished the shift, got into his credit Solaris and drove home. Bouncing on potholes and bumps, he cursed obscenely DRSU, which built and repaired this road. So he drove past the foreman of the same DRSU, who laid asphalt directly into puddles and dirt a month ago, and even stibbled the rubble machine into his country house. Master DRSU stood near his brand new “Lada Priora” with an open hood. In the engine compartment of Lada, something was smoking and stinking, and the driver of the DRSU cursed obscenely the VAZ workers who twisted the car’s wiring “on the snot”.
Upon reaching home, the AvtoVAZ worker met a neighbor, a teacher, who complained to him, as today, in the hospital, the doctor at the reception took her only three minutes, without going into the problem, without examining, without examining, he wrote out some kind of “bullshit”, and put out of the office.
At this time, the doctor, leafing through his son’s diary, cursed obscenely at teachers who couldn’t teach his child normally, to find a proper approach to him, it was possible to explain the material of the lessons.
In the next, just built house, in one of the apartments, the chief technologist of the meat-packing plant swore curiously at the builders who built this new house, in which curved walls blow from all the cracks, and pieces of plaster fall off.
At this time, the foreman of the construction team that was building this house was sitting on the jerk for the second hour because he had inadvertently eaten the sausage produced by the meat-packing plant, whose chief technologist had bought an apartment in the house he was building. Through the closed door of the restroom, a list of places to send the meat-packing plant, its workers and their sausage was clearly heard.
And when Saturday came, all of them, AvtoVAZ worker, DRSU foreman, teacher, doctor, foreman and chief technologist of the meat processing plant, went to the rally “Russia without Putin”, which was organized by the opposition, and loudly shouted slogans that Putin was to blame for everything , power, oligarchs, Patriarch Kirill, and of course Sobyanin. But Putin is most to blame, because he is the most important.
And if not for him, then in Russia they would make great cars, build beautiful roads, build magnificent houses, have wonderful medicine, have the best education in the world, and produce delicious sausages.

If not for Putin ..

[Stanislas]

Quote: IrbisRus

Putin at the time created the party united Russia ... Putin and Medvedev said ... Putin's brainchild called United Russia ...

"They sing selflessly, sometimes they even go in" (c)

[Air Force Colonel]

Controversial statement. Here the main Russian people.

[Giant thought]

In theory, it would be necessary to bring this bill to the national discussion, and then to pass the parliament.

[vladimirw]

What disagrees and what differences are going to erase?

[IrbisRus]

I do not agree to unite under banners, under ideas, on appeal, under pressure coming from a party or group of people. and the differences will be erased because in America you have to sacrifice some common idea in NAME (American Indians, Mexican and African people who are even de facto people after the whites and not on equal terms) in NAME

[Samen]

Quote: Maksus

What good is it?

And, new committees / commissions / offices? To cut the budget "fat" into salaries? Is it bad?

[IrbisRus]

bad, oh how bad !!!

[Tusv]

Quote: Maksus

What good is that? Another demagogy of some kind. What's the point? How will it affect the quality of life and what is the punishment for the violation?

Trouble happened abroad, the board of the Ministry of Emergency Situations flies, or it may not fly, because it is not legal and not the purposeful spending of the budget of the Ministry of Emergencies

[Shuttle]

Violation of what? What are you talking about?

The good thing is that they undertook to revive the good that we had before under the USSR. Yes, yes - not everything in the USSR was bad. There was such a community - Soviet people. However, this community did not detract from such a concept as nationality.

[Gardamir]

the community is a Soviet person.

This community included Russians. and now Russians will be replaced by Russians, and Chechens will remain Chechens.

[Vend]

Quote: Maksus

Quote: Wend

It's a good thing, the main thing is to work out sensibly.

What good is that? Another demagogy of some kind. What's the point? How will it affect the quality of life and what is the punishment for the violation?

What's the point? Yes, in the fact that during the USSR the Russian concept was eroded to such an extent that there was no self-identity left. And the return of this self-awareness will be wonderful. In the USSR, republics that raised national identity were beaten, and only Russians lived in the RSFR. And only those who are unwilling to return Russian self-consciousness are afraid of this issue.
For a long time the concept of Russian has not turned into a nation, and not into a nation, but a state of mind. I remember Prince Bagration bequeathed to his son to be Russian. And this was back in the 19 century, before the USSR.

[Gardamir]

I remember Prince Bagration bequeathed to his son to be Russian

and President Putin bequeathed to become Russians. feel the difference?

[Skif83]

But we will become "proud" to the point of impossibility!
Where used to be, just now discovered who is who?

[Pirate]

Only a white man with a traditional sexual orientation and a penchant for atheism can apply all the points of all articles about the infringement of someone else's rights.

// I’ll be happy to study a life example that proves the opposite.

[Ulan]

So it’s not entirely clear to me. As if again some byakoy did not turn around.
I will wait with evaluations of this initiative.

[cniza]

It’s a difficult question to touch it - you can only do much harm, it’s better to solve people's problems and improve the welfare of every citizen, then the law will not be needed.

[ava09]

"The question is difficult" when there is a mess in my head. Then touching it is dangerous. If each "government" scoffs at the Wisdom of the ancestors and comes up with new definitions for a long-established nation and For Kony - expect ethnic strife and the final collapse of the State.
(c) better solve people's problems and improve the well-being of every citizen (c) These "every" have long been known by their last names ...) Until we become a single people, they will solve their own and our problems. As if Russia and its nation were formed in 1991, and not according to our calendar, today is the 7525th summer.

[St Petrov]

and what is your calendar hanging at home?

[dmi.pris1]

I am a supporter of the elimination of national republics as such. There should be formations without an admixture of nationality. All the same, as they are called — provinces, territories, federal lands ..

[IrbisRus]

one hundred percent civil war.

[Sergej1972]

In the case of Khakassia, Jewish Autonomous Okrug, Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, as well as Mordovia, Karelia and other Finno-Ugric subjects, where the "titular" ones are everywhere in the minority, moreover, they are rather passive by nature, this may pass. The same regions, where other peoples make up a clear majority, and the Russian minority, such as Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia, Tuva (and Tatarstan and Bashkiria, Chuvashia can be included here), from the change of names and status (and in general, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the regions, territories, republics are the same rights and responsibilities), de facto national entities will not cease to be. Even if their borders are changed and (or) they become part of the enlarged regions. Much depends on the activity, passion, residents. Here is the Republic of Adygea. A small five hundred thousandth subject, not the most developed, is surrounded on all sides by the territories of the huge five millionth Krasnodar Territory. Adygeans in the area of ​​a quarter of the population, the majority are Slavs. However, all state structures are dominated by the Adyghe.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Wend

It's a good thing, the main thing is to work out sensibly.

This is a good thing, only in the Russian nation, how many more nations and peoples?

[Rom14]

Nationality is your personal, and the nation is state and yours, if a patriot ...

[tractor driver]

Putin’s father fought with the Nazis

[gormih]

It is about a nation in the same sense as that of the Americans. They also have an "American nation" there. The main thing is that the matter does not come to "exclusivity".

[Komisare]

the main thing is that the friendship of peoples is MUTUAL

[Sergej1972]

They also have the nationality "US Americans", of which African Americans are also part. There are the so-called "Native Americans" - Indian peoples, Aleuts, Eskimos. Moreover, a significant part of US citizens do not belong to either the first or the second category.

[Gardamir]

Putin’s father fought with the Nazis

he forgot it long ago if he praises mannerheim.

[Komisare]

Once they wanted to create a Yugoslav nation, but what happened then is another story

[gray smeet]

Even I do not want to be a Russian nation ....
Absurd stupidity!
Unite the country will not succeed! And disconnect - one, two!

[Tambov Wolf]

What's good, your hand doesn’t rise up as a comrade. We’re writing anyway to score? Russian instead of Russian? They have already tried to make us Soviet, but everything has fallen apart. Are they stepping on the same rake again? Here's a new HSP for you all. Let us be Ivan, who did not remember kinship. Instead of making Russians the main frame of the country, we are again being led to the loss of our face. You are already starting to think if the same Russophobes are sitting in the Kremlin and the White House, since they are performing from the standpoint of wiping out such a people as the Russians from the face of the earth. It is evident that the "chosen by God" put their filthy hands on this. Even the great Stalin honored and put in the first place the Russian people. And what are these doing? Well, fans of the HPP, explain to the Russians what your "God-chosen" wants? Do you think that the same Bashkirs and Tatars will become Russians? Or will the Jews go to them? They will fool us again, so that Russian ancestors will be forgotten, so that they will become who knows who and what. And finally, the true face of the entire liberal gang, under the leadership of the chief liberal, has finally emerged.

[gray smeet]

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Even the great Stalin honored and placed in the first place the Russian people.

Perhaps this is the only ruler who, after passing the tests, paid tribute to the people.

“For the Russian people!” - a toast delivered by I.V. Stalin at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945.

When will the rulers of Russia say such a toast, next time? I suspect that not when!

Quote: Tambov Wolf

Do you think that the same Bashkirs and Tatars by the Russians will be patched up? Or will the Jews go to them? They’re cheating on us again.so that Russian ancestors are forgotten, so that they become who and what.So finally the true face of the whole liberal gang got out, under the leadership of the main liberal.

See the root! +++++++

[sa-ag]

Quote: gray smeet

“For the Russian people!” - a toast delivered by I.V. Stalin at the Kremlin reception on May 24, 1945.

Shooting like mad dogs "was in the 30s

[Tambov Wolf]

How mad dogs were shot by "loyal Leninists" - who destroyed the Empire for the good of the West, and the traitors to the Tukhachevskys, who betrayed once, betrayed the second time. And after that a new Empire was built, albeit a Red, but not a "crap" republic, which we now have, with a mess instead of order, with thieves who have carte blanche, with currying favor with the West and with an attempt to remove the Russian people from the face of history.

[Gardamir]

are the same Russophobes sitting in the Kremlin and the White

let’s explain the difference between the Kremlin and the State Department. The same agents.

[ava09]

(c) It's a good thing, the main thing is to work it out sensibly (c) One thing is not clear - Vend is a soothsayer or a provocateur? Or maybe just - d.u.r.a.k? What kind of "business" is this, why is it good and who is going to "work it out" "sensibly", again "the smartest nation"? I got a lot from their "studies" in the 90s ... It is enough that they turned Velikorosov into "Russians", then into "Russians" of some sort. As if it is not the People who transforms the territory into the State, but vice versa.

[kit-kat]

What is this? When will they do business?

[axel320]

And what is the law about ?!

[tractor driver]

The position of the President of the Russian Federation to cancel and enter the position of the Fuhrer of the Russian Federation.
pah, what nasty thing he wrote ...

[TsShVS]

What a strange law that everyone writes about, but no one knows anything

[Gardamir]

It’s not the law yet, but you can read the discussion on kremlin.ru

[Altona]

Is the "Russian nation" a derivative of the "Soviet man"? I didn't understand the meaning. One fig will unite everyone into one "vinaigrette". It is necessary to make a unified social standard and develop ALL Russian territories with its conformity, and they are all dealing with "suckers".

[Stas Snezhin]

And I'm Russian!
And I don’t want to be a Russian-Russian ..

[Sergej1972]

And I am also Russian, and proud of it! I am a citizen of the Russian Federation, a Russian, and I am proud of this no less! I do not see any contradiction here. Another person can be a Tatar and also be proud that he is a Russian.

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

What is this "Russian nation"? Where did you dig up this bullshit? Take it yourself and add in your passport that it is Russian, not Russian.

[Sergej1972]

Go online, or open an encyclopedia, and read what is meant by "political nation" or "civic nation".

[cast iron]

You just go and read that there is a "Russian nation" and that this nation is already several hundred years old. We don't need any "Russian nation". We already have a Russian nation.

[Million]

Offhand I see 3 options: something will rise in price, some new obligations will appear for the Russian nation, a new redistribution of budget money will begin

[oborzevatel]

Quote: Million

Offhand I see 3 options: something will rise in price, some new obligations will appear for the Russian nation, ...

The most important thing is not to be obliged to be "European-tolerant" ... and to value "universal human values" in the understanding of our sworn friends.
"Russia is neither the West, nor the East.
We are the North. "
(I don’t remember who said sorry)

[Kudrevkn]

In China - the Chinese, in the United States - the Americans, in France - the French, and in our country, for "Russians", or "every creature is an international"? Maybe it's time to teach everyone else in the world to pronounce the word correctly; RUSSIANS?

[Sergej1972]

In China, the Chinese. But each Chinese is either a Han (the main people), or a Mongol, or a Uighur, or a Tibetan, or a representative of one of dozens of other peoples of the PRC.

[Gardamir]

RUSSIANS?

Maybe then we will return to our country the correct pronunciation of Russia?

[Engineer engineer]

It turns out that now the nationality in the country of residence will be? How is it in psi? Indeed, according to OUR concepts, there is no such nationality "American"! That is, ethnic parameters on the side? I disagree!

[SOF]

on what basis do we have no "American" nationality? And how do you, forgive me, calculate the nationality of D. Kerry? ... or the Williams tennis brothers? And who is Zidane to you? Algerian? ... or is it French? The question is an ARCHIC one, as well as no less ARCHIVE one. When you ask a Dagestani who he is - what do you think he will answer - I assure you - not even a "Dagestan", but for example "Avar" or "Lezgin" ... And what will the Buryat, Chechen, Chukchi and Khant answer? This, then, already, if the brought international in a tour, where a thread in Nuyorka (local experts in "geography") will be interested and our people will call the city of Makhachkala - I don't know - Dagestan - don't understand - Moscow, then they will be unambiguously identified as RUSSIAN. And in principle, how should they be? They wear our flag abroad, but who should they call them ????

[sa-ag]

Quote: Engineer sapper

It turns out that now the nationality in the country of residence will be? How is it in p.i.n.d.s.i.i? Indeed, according to OUR concepts, there is no such nationality "American"

There they have in their passport a column of citizenship: american, that is, American citizenship

[Sergej1972]

I don’t know how, according to your concepts, but according to the concepts of ethnologists, there is a people called "Americans of the USA". Moreover, not all US citizens, that is, Americans in terms of belonging to a political nation, belong to this nationality.

[GEV67]

Another "good" idea for cutting money ...
It would be better to return normal education and medical care for the people!

[oborzevatel]

Quote: GEV67

Another "good" idea for cutting money ...
It would be better to return normal education and medical care for the people!

Ага.
Right now, some agency will file a file under this case.
With warm places and sky-high salaries.

[Ural resident]

What is the Russian nation? Maybe it meant the law on the Russian nation?

[Hort]

yeah, keep your pocket wider. They are afraid of the fire of such formulations.

[kolyhalovs]

Well, if the law on the Russian nation comes out, then all, drain the water.

[Observer2014]

Putin supported the proposal to adopt a law on the Russian nation

And the diasporas in Russia will now be canceled? Or "we are the Russian nation, but we are Armenians, Uzbeks, etc." for example. A total ban on national diasporas. And any printed materials not in Russian. Or it will be another law infringing on the rights of Russians. That beastly den 90s in the former republics of the USSR, no one has forgotten in relation to the Russians. And the most interesting thing is if we make a Russian nation. Anyone who remembers that he of a different nationality should be immediately deprived of the citizenship of Russia. Otherwise, what is the meaning of the Russian nation? We are all Russian citizens, Russians, are you ready for this? And this applies to indigenous peoples too. Are you ready to renounce your nationality? Otherwise, I repeat, it will be a law prohibiting only Russian.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

did not understand a damn ...

[sa-ag]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

did not understand a damn ...

On the one hand, the elections are coming soon, on the other a mess in Syria, well, support for the electorate is needed, in general, a media PR company is

[cast iron]

What's not clear then? If the concept of "Russian nation" is introduced, then Chechens, Dagestanis, Uzbeks, Tatars, Tajiks and Russians will live in Russia. The Russians will no longer be in the official documents. There will be a "Russian nation".

[indulf]

If this is a step towards the abolition of the division of the country into national enclaves, then I am in favor. There should not be any Tatarstan, Dagestanov, Bashkiria and so on. And it should be like this: Kazan region (province), Makhachkala, Ufa. Not Mordovia, but the Saransk region and so on on the list.

[kolyhalovs]

That's because PPC. What for? It looks very much like the already existing place to drive everyone under the signboard "rrraciane". It didn't work then, it won't work now. Trying to blur the differences between nations in our so multinational country is a slippery slope. And to nothing.

[Hort]

next tricks on the subject of inventing a common national idea ...
The simplest thing, in my opinion, is then to "bring back to life" the nationality of "Russians" and, accordingly, all the others will fit into the socio-economic concept of "Russians"

[weksha50]

It seems to me that this is an attempt again to unite the nationalities inhabiting Russia into a single nation ... Well, as the Soviet people used to be ... Another attempt to unite ...

However, they unite not on paper, but in reality ... A difficult, very complex question ... And how it will be solved on paper - only God (or Satan) knows ...

[Polite Moose]

All these are attempts to remove from the legal proceedings cases of conflicts arising out of ethnic hatred. If there is one nation, then what is such an ethnic conflict? Citizens just quarreled among themselves. Normal household. It happens to everyone?
And just then the proposal of the RF Ministry of Finance to reduce the budget of Chechnya for the next year came out. Kadyrov against.
Coincidence? I do not think.

[chemist]

Quote: kolyhalovs

That's because PPC. What for? It looks very much like the already existing place to drive everyone under the signboard "rrraciane". It didn't work then, it won't work now. Trying to blur the differences between nations in our so multinational country is a slippery slope. And to nothing.

It seems to me all the easier. Neither Ukrainians, nor Jewish Jews!

[sa-ag]

According to the article, this is a statement of the cart in front of the horse, they do not appoint a nation in the directive, the nation is formed around a unifying factor such as territory, ethnicity or an idea based on, for example, social justice, now the request for social justice is strong in the world ...

[sunzhenets]

[quote] [According to the article, this is a cart in front of the horse, they do not appoint a nation in the directive, the nation is formed around a unifying factor such as territory, ethnicity or an idea based on, for example, social justice. Now, by the way, the demand for social justice ... / quote]
I agree with you. There is no idea. Social justice too.
And the desire to unite in one nation with the hero-academician and his teip is also absent.

[guzik007]

HIM has nothing more to do? Are the problems over in the country?
the kings fought, fought, not smashed. The Communists fought, Homo-Sovetikus did not receive, the mouse came running, waved its tail ...
Who ever hands EMU such a malicious nonsense to sign and what should be based to sign it? Instead of clearly spelling out the law on the state-forming nation, as the backbone of the country, and the equal rights of the peoples living in it, we are slipping Americanism. Only the difference is enormous, because the USA is a bunch of aliens who came from the first time that captured an alien country, so let them be Americans, and I personally, having nothing against my neighbors of a different nationality, nevertheless want to remain a Tatar, with my traditions, customs and tongue.
what will be the next step? A ban on languages, literature? Or maybe they will come up with a common gibberish language for communication? Why do declarations about the common good, "spiritual bonds" diverge from deeds, inevitably causing growing irritation and hostility in society?
It seems that some people have started to "bronze"

[Rom14]

Something tells me, not at the time of the undertaking ... The one who pushed it into the review, clearly thought out "she" ... In the world, terrible strained and somehow it is necessary not from this side to think about peoples and his life.

[cannabis]

In Russian the word "nation" is borrowed from English. Everyone understands this. Like there in Virgin Land Upturned "English is like ours, only they emit a hiss at the end, like they are angry." Well, in English the word "ness" came from Russia as a converted "our he". We still divide people into ours and not ours. Stop believing the legends invented in Baskerville. Stop calling the Murmansk Sea the Barents Sea. Stop calling Russia Russia, and even with the addition of a foreign word federal. There will be Russia with peoples and tribes, clans and families living on it. We have strong roots, you just need to remember them.

[Burivad]

There is a country, Russia, and all who contribute to its positive development are Russians. What else does? And if someone wants official confirmation that he is Russian, or have any priorities, then I think that is not Russian anymore. It is superfluous.

[mikh-korsakov]

Absolutely crazy in old age! Is there nothing to do, besides starting to reason why the Chukchi is equal to the Mordvin, with all due respect to both, but it does not look like the Mordvin in the cultural field, and which of these equality and cultural differences does the Russian nation have? Now, thanks to the humanitarian nature of our president, the barmalei will select Aleppo, and the Americans will celebrate the victory in Mosul. Then the question will arise, what did we do in Syria, and did the threat of terrorism in Russia weaken from their stay. If separatism arose in a republic, then it will not stop from the law on the Russian nation. The eradication of separatism is the task of the competent authorities. IMHO.

[mikh-korsakov]

First, not you, but you. I didn’t pass the cows with you. Secondly, well, of course, where can we understand all the tricks of the GDP. But still, I seem smarter than many of our state media journalists, who are constantly asking each other why the aggressive NATO bloc surrounds Russia with its military bases, I know why! Thirdly, it’s not bitter to admit, to me personally, but apparently I’m right, instead of objecting to my comment, they begin to swear. And I would be glad if someone answered me what I’m wrong about, only in essence. rather than slogans, we've heard slogans ..

[Holoy]

The idea is Stupid!

[Holoy]

And in general in the Passport you need to return the line about Nationality!

[pts-m]

I have long been imposed a thought in my head about ... the Russian nation ... such as a pendostan. Finally, the dream comes true. Good luck in developing all the actions, otherwise the peoples of the North are going to separate from Russia. ALL should be EQUAL!

[voyaka uh]

In my opinion, a normal idea.
Address: "Russian", "Russian woman", "Russians", "Russian nation".

It will be harder to translate into English: in it russian
sounds both "Russian" and "Russian"

[Operator]

In English, the name of the legal nation of the Russian Federation (in passports) should be indicated as rossianin, so as not to be confused with the name of the Russian people russian.

I wonder how the Jewish citizens of Israel designate themselves in immigration declarations when entering third countries?

[garnik]

voyaka uh
I support you. Probably more visible from the side. I understand the Russians. When they achieve something, they are Russians, although other nationalities participate in any business. All peoples want to hear something positive in their address.
Putin is right in this law. If it continues as it is now, the Russians in the next 50 years will be in minority. And so there is a chance to create one people-RUSSIAN. In any case, by all the peoples of the world, the Russian will be associated as Russian. Of course, nationalists, peoples included in the composition of Russia, will be against this.

By and large, Russia, Russian, Russian is one and the same.

[Zubr]

It will be interesting to read and parse in detail. Naturally, it is rather dangerous to adopt such laws without a nationwide referendum.

[Sidel45]

An interesting situation is emerging. I remember that when we got full democracy, our democrats loudly criticized the damned commies for their assertion that a nation of "Soviet people" was created in the USSR, and now the same democrats are proposing to adopt a law on the "Russian nation." Is it on the principle that everything new is well forgotten old? Generally speaking, a nation is "a historically formed part of humanity, united by a stable commonality of language, territory, economic life and culture." And where will our legislators in our multinational country find the common language and culture of our peoples? Russian language? So this is just the language of interethnic communication. In the culture of the same Russians and Tatars, there are also many differences. Something stupidity gives it all away.

[Prince of Pensions]

Zhirinovsky probably beeps) Well, finally !!!

[Alex66]

The Soviet people were created on the basis of socialist property and went to the building of communism, they had a goal and ideology, and what will unite the Russian nation? The oligarchs, officials, they really want to unite with the people of Russia? Will the accounts be returned here, children, will they be treated with us, or will they have to be excluded from the definition of the Russian nation?

[cast iron]

The Russian nation will unite the love of money)))

[Sergej1972]

It seems that many middle-aged and older commentators have completely forgotten what they were told in the lessons of history and social studies. And the young are what they studied in the lessons of social studies and civics. It’s elementary to understand the difference between a political nation, nationality, ethnic group. High school knowledge.

[Altona]

Quote: sa-ag

There they have in their passport a column of citizenship: american, that is, American citizenship

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Here is Thoth. And there for them we are all RUSSIANS, that is, RUSSIANS. And not "dear Russians" at all, you know. I cannot explain abroad that I am some kind of Permian Komi, Chuvash, Mordvin, Karelian or Tatar. I will still be russian, soviet or commy (from "communist"). In general, we would have thought better of how to improve people's lives. Our regions in terms of living standards vary greatly. And there is no need to write laws on "icicles".

[oleg46]

I am a Russian person and an Orthodox Christian - this is the most important definition for me and I don’t feel like an amorphous “Russian” in any way! Just a Russian passport.

[oleg46]

Quote: Altona

Quote: sa-ag

There they have in their passport a column of citizenship: american, that is, American citizenship

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Here is Thoth. And there for them we are all RUSSIANS, that is, RUSSIANS. And not "dear Russians" at all, you know. I cannot explain abroad that I am some kind of Permian Komi, Chuvash, Mordvin, Karelian or Tatar. I will still be russian, soviet or commy (from "communist"). In general, we would have thought better of how to improve people's lives. Our regions in terms of living standards vary greatly. And there is no need to write laws on "icicles".

[asiat_61]

This is the main task now. There are no other problems. Glory to the Great Putin?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

The nation somehow existed all 204 without such a law.

[Gardamir]

all 204 years

and what happened?

[ALEA IACTA EST]

And before that, there were several dozen peoples held together by one crown.

[Operator]

Russia is a country where many peoples live (cultural and linguistic communities), its population consists of 80 percent of the Russian people and 20 percent of small nations.

If we call the population of Russia the English word "nation" (legal community), then I agree: "Russian nation" sounds good.

Meanwhile, it is necessary to work to reunite Russia with Ukraine and Belarus to increase the weight of the Russian people to 92 percent.

In the meantime

[Gardamir]

This is good! Our country is only 25 years old, although it is not clear where I was wearing this before 30 years. Now, finally, there will be a nation. And there you look and come up with the Russian language. I have written more than once that a Russian volunteer was replaced by a European volunteer. Not a single taxi in the country, but Taxi as much as you like. They are probably switching to the Russian language.

[Operator]

Don’t worry, the people are Greek ethnos, so you will designate yourself as an ethnic Russian in national documents, and as a Russian according to the legal nation in foreign documents.

The main thing is different - so that the number of Russian ethnic groups in Russia increases from year to year.

"Soviet people" and "Russian nation" sound completely different, agree

[Alikjan]

The word "Russian" is somehow jarring ... Maybe it should be as before: Great Russian, Little Russian, Belarusian. And all citizens are Russians, and foreigners think so, not highlighting Tatars or Chechens ... All together, the Russian people.

[Brave Schweik-2]

Then you have to be careful to be called a Russian? What will the Evenki, Komi, Dargins, or Avars say? in the sense of the Dagestanis ... Probably the generalizing form will be adopted - "Rusyaks"! (Uralians, Siberians, Steppe inhabitants!) The most difficult question ... Better not to touch it!

[Gardamir]

Sad to read the comments. A year ago, everyone turned on the word Russians, and now they are ready to forget everything. So the Soviet Union was destroyed more than one day.
First, the liberal tsar renamed Russia in the Dutch manner to Russia, at the same time destroying the Russian letter and the Russian calendar. Now, by the name of the country they want to name the people. Was it where? Usually, the name of the people called the area (country). Those who believe that the nation and nationality have different meanings are non-Russian people, because for the Russian it is one and the same. And the fact that in Europe they play with these words should be indifferent to us.

[Karabin]

“Well, what exactly is absolutely possible and necessary to implement, we need to think about it directly and in practical terms start working, this is the law on the Russian nation,” the president said, closing the meeting.

When cats have nothing to do, they lick their eggs. Militia to the police, doctors to fagots, a bear to pedagogues, and Russians to Russians. I am fucking off a galley rower and his team.

[Zubr]

Quote: Seidel45

An interesting situation is emerging. I remember that when we got full democracy, our democrats loudly criticized the damned commies for their assertion that a nation of "Soviet people" was created in the USSR, and now the same democrats are proposing to adopt a law on the "Russian nation." Is it on the principle that everything new is well forgotten old? Generally speaking, a nation is "a historically formed part of humanity, united by a stable commonality of language, territory, economic life and culture." And where will our legislators in our multinational country find the common language and culture of our peoples? Russian language? So this is just the language of interethnic communication. In the culture of the same Russians and Tatars, there are also many differences. Something stupidity gives it all away.

Absolutely agree !
There is one caveat, let them write and pre-publish, rather than stick to the signature of GDP. And there you will see who breathes what, who invented something. Personally, the wording itself strained.

[Knight Rider]

Recently in Ukraine Avakov and Saakashvili argued which of them is a real Ukrainian ... We even laughed at it here, they say, an Armenian and a Georgian argue in Russian which of them is Ukrainian ... Although none of them were born in Ukraine (Avakov was generally in Baku).
And now we ourselves argue about hz about what. Why complicate things? You were born in the USSR / Russia, you have a passport with a double-headed eagle on hand - you are a citizen of Russia, you are a Russian ... Even a baby born in the Russian Federation, or having parents with Russian citizenship, is considered a Russian and a citizen of Russia. And this has nothing to do with the issue of nationality. Please do not confuse soft with warm.
Here is our illustrious gymnast, Margarita Mamun, has half Bengal roots, but because of this she did not cease to be a Russian woman?

[Mikhalychch]

But what about earlier statements that the definition of territories belonging to the USSR by nationality predetermined the collapse of the USSR ... Will there be further disintegration even further into national apartments - the state of Chechnya, the state of Dagestan, the state of the Jewish Republic or Yakut Republic, etc. e. After all, this period has already passed, how many people were killed then. And maybe they want to make one nation-GREAT-territorial. As soon as the financial crisis begins, so the question immediately arises of self-identification, and then self-determination. Isn't it easier for the center to take money from the regions, and then distribute it, and leave it on the ground and just pay some percentage to the center. Then you will immediately see where the self-sufficient region, and where subsidized. It happened in the years 90-2000, where it all happened. Yes, they just started to centralize everything and everything because of the threat of the collapse of the country. They decentralized to the fact that the deputies became lawmakers and no one accountable, and in the upper house the senators became appointees. And who of what nationality, by and large, does not matter . Think about something else - how to survive a crisis. We’re near China, especially in the Far East, would have fled from this Far East a long time ago, although today people are fleeing to the west of the country to look for money, single-industry towns are empty, entire former military districts stand with broken glass and nobody needs this housing of any nationality.

[Mentat]

Quote: Igor V

the nation can be united only after the word "Russian" ceases to be abusive and "extremist."

And now we have the word "Russian" abusive and extremist? Are you interested in special varieties of mushrooms?

[cast iron]

We now use the word "Russian" in the media 1000 times less often than the words "Chechen", "Tazhik", "Uzbek", etc. It seems that there is no word "Russian" at all, but there is the word "Russian" and that's it other nationalities.

[Ahil]

It is about the cohesion of the entire Russian people. We all remain people of different nationalities, different cultures and traditions. However, we all live in one great country and it is one.

[OLD FART]

Quote: ahil

It is about the cohesion of the entire Russian people. We all remain people of different nationalities, different cultures and traditions. However, we all live in one great country and it is one.

And no one will separate us ... No matter how they are armed with our "partners" ...
Russia is unity and creation! This is what they fear in the west ...
Now we in Syria are showing this to the whole world! And then on ...

[Boris Suvorov]

As far as this law is understood, it is designed for people who know the history of Russia. But here I read terrible things. Who are we Russian. Among us, Rossov is not more than 10%. My great namesake is Suvorov of Turkic origin. Scythians, Huns are also of Turkic roots. in the south of Russia there are more R1a Aryans up to 51% in the north up to 35%. All know Russia of Turkic roots. Rurikovich of Swedish-Tuk roots, Romanov German-Türkic roots. Cossacks did not all forget their Turkic origin. It is ridiculous to talk about pure Russians, but in principle about any nation. You learn what language the prayers were said 1500 years ago by Christians in Kiev, then you will understand everything. You know that the Cyrillic alphabet was created by the Bulgarians (Turks) Methodius and Cyril on the basis of the ancient Turkic runes. How quickly the Cossacks became Russian for a maximum of 600 years after the collapse of the Golden Horde (actually called the White Horde). Read Leo Gumilyov those who, for truth, have been in prison for decades or even been shot. A very delicate and sensitive question is a national question, and God forbid, hands like Zhirinovsky’s will put their hands on it. This will be the path to the collapse of Russia - Great Russia. It is necessary that the process be similar to the one created as the Immortal Regiment movement, without shouting about the Russians or another special nation. The greater the nation, the wiser and stronger it is, the less it screams about itself. Only a weak nation is aching that it is not noticed. She is strong and wise, and so is, and only such can unite her neighbors' brothers around herself.

[Mentat]

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As far as this law is understood, it is designed for people who know the history of Russia. But here I read terrible things. Who are we Russian. Among us, Rossov is not more than 10%. My great namesake is Suvorov of Turkic origin. Scythians, Huns are also of Turkic roots. in the south of Russia there are more R1a Aryans up to 51% in the north up to 35%. All know Russia of Turkic roots.

Of course, the national question is delicate. However, the pseudoscientific nonsense that you have been heating up is not necessary here either. It is necessary to perceive the world objectively. And the surrounding reality suggests that the Russians are a nation-forming nation. It’s stupid to notice this because someone is offended somewhere because of ignorance or stupidity. Although behind such "grievances" as a rule there are completely stupid people, scorched intriguers, lascivious for money.

In the history of Russia, it was the Russians who were engaged in the construction of our state; to remember this historical role is simply to follow scientific facts.

Everything needs balance. No one in his mind screams about some kind of superiority on a national basis, but there is no need to indulge eternal offenders rolling in hysterics on the floor, if they are not constantly pissed over their "national question".

[Mentat]

The West solved its national question in completely different ways: cutting out “extra people” to the root. Let's not forget this too.

Nowhere else in the world there is no experience successful the creation of such a multinational united state in which the uniqueness of each nation and nationality would be preserved and maintained. The Russians went their own way, which is much closer to true humanity and democracy than what Western partners swearing these terms did. We Russians created it unity of peoples, in which we all work for common prosperity, as a single nation of our glorious, strong state, which has all the possibilities for creation.

[Boris Suvorov]

Mentatu. The fact that it was the Moscow kingdom (khanate) that created Russia no one objects to, and every Russian is proud of it, But we remember that Elena Glinsky mother of Ivan the Terrible was a direct descendant of the Crimean Khan Mamaia. Your speeches are surprisingly similar to those with a dad a lawyer and a Russian mother. And I do not shy from the fact that my roots can be from Polovtsy (i.e., translated sexually - pale-faced from the ancient Scythians - Aryans)

[Boris Suvorov]

And who are we Russian? Mostly descendants of the Scythians, Huns, Sarmatians, Turks and Ugrians, and this is practically the entire people of Russia and not only, even more than the territory of the USSR, partially the peoples of Iran, India, Europe also have the same roots. There was a lot of cruelty in the past and from us. Now we remember this Ukrainian brothers, only Belarusians, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and Armenians are looking for good in unity. No one will be offended even within Russia, only hatred from powerlessness will arise, it is clear what this will lead to. You do not have to exalt anyone above yourself, but also lower them below shouting - we are Russian, we are a nation-forming nation. It seems to me that we need to move away from imperial ways (in some cases, it even looks ridiculous) and look for our common roots. Seek good in a relationship, sow love for your close neighbors. Otherwise, nothing will work, Russia will fall apart. Think about why even Belarusians do not create a common government, budget with Russia and they do not want to be younger brothers. Whatever small people are, they must be equal, equal to any other people, otherwise there will be a bias in one direction or another. There should be a lot of transparency in everything. Any problem should be discussed and resolved, and not hushed up. And the worst thing is when someone tries to get political dividends by playing the most base nationalistic feelings of the population.