The large-scale production of APKWS tactical missiles is forcing Russia to respond with a “Threat”

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The head with a semi-active laser homing head light tactical guided missile WGU-59 / B APKWS


The week before last, October 20, 2016, in the translated materials of the information and analytical resource “Military Parity” a small news article on the development of the program of light tactical controlled aviation air-to-ground missiles APKWS, with the title of the article ending "There are no analogues in the Russian Federation." With all due respect to the promptness of posting fresh news material on the military-political situation in the world on the pages of militaryparitet.com, it is simply impossible to agree with the title of this publication even with a stretch.



As it became known, 14 of October of this year at the White Sands (New Mexico) test site successfully passed the last stage of the tests of a light two-seat subsonic attack aircraft / tactical strike aircraft Scorpion, developed by Textron AirLand (composed of Cessna and "Bell") with technical support from the United States Air Force. The last stage consisted in testing the use of air-to-surface missile weapons, where AGM-114F Interim Hellfire missiles with a tandem cumulative warhead, as well as advanced short-range tactical missiles WGU-59 / B APKWS-II, showed their best side, previously tested from the onboard combat training version of the Bell 407GT helicopter.

APKWS (Advanced Precision Kill Weapon) missiles are the most famous modification of the 70-mm “Hydra” unguided missile (NUR), which BAE Systems specialists equipped with a semi-active laser homing head, and therefore upgrading tens of thousands of “Hydra” sets with semi-active laser seeker will cost dozens of times cheaper than the resource-intensive production of a smaller or similar number of Hefire missiles. At the moment, 7000 laser kits have already been supplied to the Navy, ILC and the USAF, and the rate of further supplies will increase to 5000 units. in year. Missiles will be one of the most important "tactical assets" of assault and helicopter attack aircraft of the United States.

In fleeting percussion operations, APKWS-II missiles may become the most serious threat to our military air defense missile and air defense missile-cannon complexes "Tor-M2E" and "Pantsir-S1": WGU-59 / B has an initial speed of about 1500 m / s (5400 km / h) and a low deceleration rate, which is why the target (when firing at the maximum range of 12-15 km) it remains at the level of 850-900 m / s. This is faster than the official speed limit of the Tor-M1 / 2 family of machines (700 m / s), and almost corresponds to the speed limit for interception of the Pantsir-C1 SCRA. In addition, the EPR of APKWS-II missiles barely exceeds the radar signature of the compact reconnaissance hex game, i.e. roughly 0,003 - 0,005 m2. To bring down such an air object, moving almost at hypersonic speed, is tantamount to intercepting a needle bullet flying at the speed of sound. And not every air defense system will be able to effectively counter such a means of air attack. Of course, knocking the WGU-59 / B carrier APKWS-II will be easier than working on a rocket, but here are your circumstances: the attacking Scorpion, Thunderbolt or any other tactical aircraft can approach the Tor at an ultra-low height, and if there are no C-35PS, C-300 Triumph or friendly aircraft within 400 radius, the Torah operators will have big problems. Even taking into account that APKWS, like any other semi-active laser-guided missiles, means that the enemy’s laser target designator is located near the target (may be in service with the United States Special Forces Special Operations Forces or at regular ground forces). its operators will be very difficult for two reasons.

First, they will turn on the target for illumination only a couple of seconds before the flight of WGU-59 / B, and there is simply no time to respond. Why so short a time? Yes, because the coordinates of the target will be transmitted in advance to the rocket carrier either from its own radar or airborne optical and radio reconnaissance systems of the E-8C "J-STARS" or "Global Hawk" type, and to open the positions of the laser target designation source in advance (before arrival rocket) will not make sense. Secondly, modern ground-based target designators are compact and provide radio command control over wires or a radio channel at a distance of up to several kilometers from the control device. Destroy one target designator, and then use the second, third, and so on.

A more or less proven and effective way to combat APKWS-II will remain active defense systems with positional detection radar and anti-Afghan anti-missiles and more modern means. The speed of the targets hit for KAZ “Arena” is only 700 m / s, and therefore the interception of the controlled Hydra 4-5-flywheel will be difficult to perform. Also, a good effect of countering the American APKWS will be realized by optoelectronic active protection complexes of the “Blind-1” type. But there is also a drawback: set for a couple of seconds before being hit, the smoke screen will not allow WGU-59 / B to hit the target with a circular deviation of 1-2 m, but even getting into the ground or building near the target can lead to significant damage to lightly armored units, disabling radar self-propelled air defense missile systems and loss of personnel. APKWS has a great future.

The main reason for the rapid and trouble-free development of the APKWS program is that since the 2008 year the Americans have a lot of groundwork for the similar ambitious project “Talon LGR” (“Laser-Guided Rocket”). The project was launched in the US city of Tucson 8 years ago, and its goal was to equip the armed forces of the allied states in Asia Minor with lightweight and unified M-260 and M-261 70-mm guided missiles based on the NUR "Hydra-70". The development and refinement of tactical missile systems was conducted by the American and Emirates corporations Raytheon and Emirates Advanced Instruments. At the same time, only the UAE AF showed interest in the Talon LGR rocket and its mobile launcher based on an armored car with a wheel formula 6xXNNUMX Nimr.

The Talon LGR rocket is equipped with a weaker than APKWS, solid-fuel rocket engine with a mass of 6,2 kg, which accelerates it to a speed of 700 m / s, and the rocket becomes vulnerable to military air defense. The range of this missile at the expense of ground launch is no more than 8000 m, but, thanks to the advanced onboard computer and data communication bus with the carrier, it has several flight modes. The standard mode using complex terrain is a “hill”: a mobile launcher approaches a hill (hill), and then launches the Talon LGR rocket at a large angle relative to the earth’s surface, the rocket rises to an altitude of 1,5-2 km and the semi-ballistic trajectory approaches the calculated coordinates of the target, after which the semi-active laser guidance is activated on the spot of the land or air-based target designator. Talons, like WGU-59 / B APKWS-II, have a great future not only in the US, but also in the Middle East, Asian and European arms markets, and then in theaters of operations. And what can we oppose? What promising and inexpensive rocket complexes can the Russian engineering thought boast of a new century?

The main strike armament of modern Russian tactical aviation, as well as combat helicopters, should be represented by rather expensive high-performance missile systems with X-31P and X-58USHKE anti-radar missiles, Uran as well as multi-purpose tactical missiles of the X family. -31, X-35MK and the Hermes helicopter complex. But almost all of these rockets are quite expensive, which is why very often the new “Drying” and “MiGs” can be seen with the old PRLR X-38ML / MR / MPU, and the “Black Sharks” - with the “Whirlwind” complex. And some helicopter regiments and IAP because of the small budget do not have enough precision weapons. Nevertheless, the chance to quickly rectify the situation is still in our hands.

Since the conduct of the MAKS-1999 air show, 17 years have passed. Nevertheless, it is impossible to say for sure whether the most interesting example of that long-time air show, the Threat threat missile system developed by Ametekh STC (Automation and Mechanization of Technologies), came into service for at least one helicopter regiment of the Russian Air Force.

This complex was conceived by the developer as an inexpensive and highly accurate short-range strike vehicle for the destruction of strongholds, training camps, shelters, as well as enemy armored vehicles of all types in the most weakened upper projections of the hull and tower. The main emphasis was placed on the unification of promising missiles with most types of aircraft launchers of the type UB-16 / 15-57UM, B-8 and B-13, due to which virtually any attack and impact transport helicopter (from the Mi-8 to the Mi-24PN and Mi-35) can be turned into an inexpensive high-precision complex of direct support of troops with large ammunition of 3-type compact missiles.

Three types of missiles were developed based on the well-known NAR C-5, C-8 and C-13, and therefore have similar calibers: 57 mm (C-5corp), 80 mm (C-8core) and 120 mm (C-13cor); "Cor" - adjustable. The main difference between these missiles from uncontrollable options is a two-stage version, where the first stage is a starter accelerator with a solid fuel charge and petal stabilizers, and the second is a combat one, with built-in semi-active laser homing head, pulse gas dynamic control nozzles, and petal stabilizers similar to the first stage. In fact, the combat stage is a corrected ammunition, similar to artillery counterparts. The reloading of the guides in launchers is considerably simplified in comparison with the reloading of heavy tactical missiles of the X-29T / L type. So, C-5 corps (weighing about 7 kg) can be in the amount of a part of the set delivered to the launch canister by just one person from the wing wing personnel. C-8 corps (weight 15,2 kg) can also be placed in PU with the help of one employee of the service personnel.

To safely load 122-millimeter C-13 with a mass of 70 kg, you need a human 2. The total recharge time of the entire ammunition complex "Threat" is several times less than that of heavy missiles. The launch of C-5 / 8 / 13korn rockets is based on the principle of their unmanaged variants, then the acceleration stage separates and after a slight deceleration, petal stabilizers open (C-5Coron opens them with a spring mechanism, and in heavy C-8core C -13kor - due to more powerful gas pistons). The construction of the “Threat” missiles is much more complex and advanced than that of the American WGU-59 / B APKWS and Talon-LGR. Target illumination is also carried out 1 a second before the approach, which practically guarantees defeat of the target, especially when launching missiles. In the role of target designators can be any means of sea, land or air-based, like the American missiles. Now about the launchers of combat qualities of the “Threat” complex.

The C-5 rocket can be used from the widest list of unguided rockets blocks (from UB-8-57 with 8 guides to UB-32М and UB-40 with 32 and 40 guides, respectively). This makes it possible to turn into a high-precision aviation complex not only any attack helicopter, but also fighter aircraft of the 2 and 3 generations, some of which are being mothballed. The cumulative warhead of this missile has a mass of more than 3 kg and is capable of penetrating steel armor plates with a size of 200 mm. The flight speed of the C-5core is 1620 km / h, which theoretically refers it to the list of targets of modern air defense missile systems, but in practice it is practically impossible to intercept it, since 57-millimeter diameter and EPR in ten-thousandths of a square meter does not allow to capture the BM- 5 for accurate auto tracking even modern radar with AFAR. In addition, a small caliber of an adjustable combat stage can lead to the fact that the radar equipment of modern KAZ of the type “Trophi” or “Iron Fist” or AMAP-ADS can detect BM-5 too late. The maximum range of the C-5core is 7 km, which will protect the carrier from being intercepted by self-propelled Avenger SAMs or Stinger MANPADS.

The S-8kor missile can be launched from various variants of the NUR units of the B-8 family, the main of which are B-8M-1 (for front-line fighters) and B-8V-20 (helicopter version). The cumulative warhead mounted on the BM-8 combat stage is almost 2 times heavier than on the BM-5, which provides the S-8correa armor penetration of 400 mm. This missile is capable of easily penetrating side and aft armor plates of modern modifications of the western main combat tanks "Leopard-2A7" and M1A2 SEP. The speed of this rocket is 1728 km / h, and the range reaches 8 km due to the longer operation of the first-stage solid propellant engine (1,28 s versus 0,84 s for the S-5core). The speed of the carrier aircraft for launching all three types of “Threats” should not exceed 330 m / s, apparently due to the beginning of the formation of the shock-wave structure of the air flow around the carrier and the NUR unit at supersonic speeds.


Combat stage with semi-active laser hs BM-8 adjustable tactical missile C-8 corps complex "Threat"


The corrected C-13 rocket with a mass of 70 kg has a more massive warhead (about 15 kg), a more powerful solid propellant charge and, accordingly, a range of 9 km, the speed of this rocket reaches 1800 km / h. On its armor penetration in official sources is not reported, but, given the standard anti-tank missiles of similar caliber, it ranges from 800 to 1000 mm steel envelope. The radar signature of a larger BM-13 combat stage does not allow breaking through the defense of modern active defense systems, and therefore specialized tactics are needed to destroy a combat unit. A salvo firing of two C-13 corps is required: the leading combat stage can be equipped with tungsten shrapnel, which 2-3 seconds before approaching the slave with a cumulative or powerful high-explosive fragmentation combat stage, will disable the radar sensors of the active protection complex. This is the most advanced method of fighting the KAZ of modern Western tanks, since the American long-range KAZ from Raytheon has not yet entered mass production. It is capable of intercepting attacking shrapnel shells (of anti-radar type) at ranges up to 850 m, i.e. to scatter the "deadly" tungsten balls. The C-13corp missiles are used from blocks of the type B-13L (for tactical fighters) and B-13Л1 (for attack helicopters); The bow of the B-13L has the shape of a pointed oval for ideal aerodynamic qualities at transonic and supersonic speeds, the B-13Л1 is “blunt”, completely cylindrical.

According to information from various sources, it is known that the Threat complex has a multichannel combat information and control system, and several (no exact numbers are given) of the work channels are present both on the rocket and on the target. For example, Su-35C with 4 blocks of B-13L carries 20 adjustable C-13kor missiles, and for a very short period of time it can be guaranteed to destroy an entire tank platoon.

At the beginning of the review, the Talon LGR ground mobile missile system was described with a modernized controlled version of the Hydra-70 tactical missile. This complex fits well in the armed forces of the United Arab Emirates. Our situation is even simpler: for the long years of combat use of unguided C-5 / 8 / 13 missiles both in friendly and now enemy camps. For example, in the military formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, we observe the artisanal conversion of the tracked launcher Strela-10М3 into the rocket launcher system. On the combat module of the machine 9K35МNNXX, instead of 3 TPK with anti-aircraft guided missiles 4М9, 333 of the NUR B-2М-8 1 guides were installed in each. The Kiev junta uses these "products" against the civilian population and the armed forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics. It is also known about the earlier, simplified, Ukrainian MLRS based on a small LuAZ-20М with an installed NUR UB-969-32 unit with 57 guides for C-57 missiles. To the horror, the “oak” guidance mechanism UB-5-32 was represented by a small “table” on an azimuth-rotating support with a gear-changing angle mechanism. Many similar machines fall into the lenses of amateurs and reporters who prepare material in hot spots in the Middle East and Central Asia. In the near confrontation of the MLRS on the basis of unguided aircraft rockets, they often have several times greater efficiency than systems such as the BM-57 Grad or BM-21 Uragan, since their minimum range is limited to several hundred meters.

In view of these circumstances, Russian missile developers have many possible configurations for designing a short-range tactical missile system with adjustable C-5 / 8 / 13 rocket missiles. Ground-based data missiles causes some tactical and technical flaws. So, their range will not exceed 5-7 km, and the flying speed of the combat steps will barely reach the sound level, which will facilitate their interception. But there are also many advantages of an operational and technical nature.

The first of these is a relatively small mass of missiles and NUR units for them, so that the combat modules can be installed on almost any vehicle: from a light SUV or BTR to MTLB or BMP. This allows the forces of military transport aviation to deliver dozens of such systems to the theater at once.

The second advantage is a higher transfer rate than that of such BM as MLRS and HIMARS to a particular area of ​​the theater of military operations, which, with a large saturation of the BRM and enemy infantry units, can be a decisive factor for the advantage in a separate section of the front line.

The accuracy of the three types of missiles of the “Threat” complex is absolutely not inferior to the American WGU-59 / B APKWS and Talon-LGR missiles. Circular probable deviation (QUO) of our products is approximately 1,5 m. The speed characteristics of the American APKWS, on the contrary, give it a head start in the potential for breakthrough military air defense with interception speeds up to 1000 m / s, but the standard non-detachable headgear increases both optical and radar rocket signatures.

In the Syrian company, the flight crews of tactical aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces often use standard bomb weapons, relying on the accuracy of the specialized computing subsystem SVP-24 “Hephaestus”. However, no matter how accurate and productive the computerized sighting system is, free-fall bombs continue to remain unguided weapons, which can only be used to effectively attack enemy stationary military targets. More frequent use of unmanaged weapons speaks about its partial deficit in our videoconferencing. And the only most correct solution is to defrost the production branch of the magnificent threat complex “The Threat”.

Information sources:
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/ugroza/ugroza.shtml
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/apkws-ii-usa/
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  1. +18
    3 November 2016 06: 59
    Budget and budget again. Crush thieves and fully invest in science and defense. Here is the main recipe for preparing all the answers to their development.
    1. +7
      3 November 2016 08: 15
      APKWS (Advanced Precision Kill Weapon) missiles are the most famous modification of the 70 mm Hydra unguided missile (NUR), which BAE Systems specialists equipped with a semi-active laser homing head, and therefore upgrading tens of thousands of Hydra sets with semi-active laser seekers will cost dozens of times cheaper than the resource-intensive production of a smaller or similar number of Halffire rockets


      in general, in order to make a guided missile from an unguided missile, one seeker is not enough, it is necessary to control the rudders-planes, and for this we need electric motors that operate from an on-board power source, which is also not available on the NUR and needs to be somehow adapted. Wow "cheap" alteration. Such a modification cannot be simple, and therefore cheap. In addition, as far as I know, NURs have a high-explosive fragmentation warhead, and not a cumulative warhead or some other armor-piercing one.
      In short, the creation of capable products by converting them from NURs into guided anti-tank missiles seems to me an unlikely event, more likely from the desires of American generals than from reality.
      1. +4
        3 November 2016 09: 57
        As far as I understand, initially they were not chasing cheapness.
        The power of the "Helfires" action when targeting is redundant for most targets on a modern anti-poppy battlefield.
        In addition, these missiles are lighter, therefore, a larger BC can "lift" the same Apache (76 guided Hydras or 16 Helfires - a big difference)
        1. +2
          3 November 2016 10: 18
          Quote: Spade
          In addition, these missiles are lighter, therefore, a larger BC can "lift" the same Apache (76 guided "Hydras" or 16 "Helfires"

          Or a couple on a drone, given the trend of uniting drones into links ...
          1. +4
            3 November 2016 10: 33
            Or a drone.

            But apparently, the Americans decided to make it easier, with a bunch of Apache plus a regular reconnaissance UAV. Which will first detect the target, then highlight it for the rocket. At the same time, the combat helicopter will not enter the enemy's air defense zone.
            1. +12
              3 November 2016 13: 15
              Quote: Spade
              But apparently, the Americans decided to make it easier, with a bunch of Apache plus a regular reconnaissance UAV.

              ... they worked out this tactic earlier ... in a bundle of reconnaissance Bell OH-58D and AN-64 "Apache" ... something else struck ...
              Of course, shooting down the WGU-59 / B APKWS-II carrier will be easier than working on a rocket, but there are circumstances: an attacking Scorpion, Thunderbolt, or any other tactical aircraft may approach Thor at an extremely low altitude, and if the S-35PS, S-300 Triumph or friendly aircraft are not within a radius of 400 km, the Torah operators will have big problems.
              ... how the S-300PS and S-400 are sideways to the air defense of the Ground Forces is not clear to me ... and how the author has disappeared from the air defense of the ground forces such an air defense system as "Buk M2" for example ... wink ... so that no extremely low altitude will save Scorpion and Thunderbolt from 9C36 on a 21 meter tower ... in the photo ... ... in this situation, the line of sight (radio horizon) will be 75-80 km. ... the affected area will start at 50 km. ... and besides, the anti-aircraft defense is - the system, and not a lonely BM "Thor" in an open field, like an unfortunate aspen ...
              Even considering that APKWS, like any other semi-active laser-guided missiles, provides for the location of an enemy laser target near the target (it can be both in the arsenal of the US Special Operations Forces special operations forces, and at regular units of the SV or ILC), eliminate the target and Its operators will be very difficult for two reasons.
              ... it’s very simple ... the leading edge is not a passage yard ... it’s not to crawl along the range ... just to provide laser illumination and will be the most difficult and non-trivial task ...
              Firstly, they will turn it on to illuminate the target only a couple of seconds before the flight of the WGU-59 / B, and there simply will not be time for retaliatory measures. Why for such a short time? Yes, because the coordinates of the target will be transferred to the rocket carrier in advance either from its own radar, or from the optical and electronic reconnaissance systems of the type E-8C "J-STARS" or "Global Hawk"
              ... well, who will give them that ... reveal the coordinates? ... they themselves will be "overwhelmed" in the first place, for that is the air defense of the ground + the means of RTV + the means of RTR in the unified system of the ACS of the air defense of the ground ... not everything is so "rosy" as the author described ... it was exactly on paper, forget about the ravines ... hi
              1. +4
                3 November 2016 13: 36
                Quote: Inok10
                they have worked out this tactic earlier ... in conjunction with the reconnaissance Bell OH-58D and AN-64 "Apache"

                There was a case. But they are actively either withdrawing reconnaissance Kiowas "to the reserve", or sawing them into reconnaissance-shock "Kiowa-Vorior" with an emphasis on shock.
                Well, the UAVs, which are now included in the staff of the army aviation units, will accordingly perform their functions. They even modernized Apaches for this business. It seems like directional antennas were installed to provide a stable communication line with the drones.

                Quote: Inok10
                and who will give them ... reveal the coordinates?

                Not about that. They have, as in our guided and adjustable shells / mines. Illumination of the target begins only when a semi-active LGSN is ready to receive a reflected signal, and not constantly. That is, in the last seconds of the flight. But not all the time. Which complicates the task of a complex of optoelectronic suppression targets
              2. +2
                3 November 2016 13: 49
                And so the oil picture is seen - for each enemy target-target drone with a red price of 1000 bucks, a brave military air defense of the SV rolls out of the bins of the Motherland along the Buku-M3 and 21-meter tower on a caterpillar track laughing
                1. +4
                  3 November 2016 14: 03
                  Quote: Operator
                  And so the oil picture is seen - for every enemy target-target drone with a red price of 1000 bucks, a brave military air defense of the SV rolls out of the bins of the motherland on Buku-M3 and a 21-meter tower on a crawler track

                  Why not? This target designator drone can do hundreds of times more damage than this Buk and its tower cost.
                  1. +1
                    3 November 2016 14: 10
                    Holy-holy-holy, how do you propose to stamp the number of beeches, commensurate with the number of company-level UAVs (10000 + units)?
                    1. +4
                      3 November 2016 14: 12
                      So it is necessary to stamp. Because the Buk missile is much cheaper than a dozen tanks, which can be destroyed as a result of a target designator drone.
                      1. +2
                        3 November 2016 14: 19
                        We already went through this 25 years ago - we stamped 60000+ MBTs, were left without pants and only now we are "getting off our knees" am

                        Maybe something in the conservatory to fix (drones, UB, robotics, etc.), not?
                2. +6
                  3 November 2016 14: 12
                  Quote: Spade
                  Illumination of the target begins only when a semi-active LGSN is ready to receive a reflected signal, and not constantly. That is, in the last seconds of the flight. But not all the time. Which complicates the task of a complex of optoelectronic suppression targets

                  ... that's why ours since Soviet times ... are engaged in KAZ for MBT ... well, the author's fantasy of combating the "Tor" air defense system using APKWS-II is simply amazing ... is it not easier to use the receiver or MLRS at such a distance of 12-15 km. ? ... and easier and more efficient ... than throwing a DRG hung with illumination equipment, lifting the aircraft carrier ...
                  Quote: Operator
                  And so the oil picture is seen - for each enemy target-target drone with a red price of 1000 bucks, a brave military air defense of the SV rolls out of the bins of the Motherland along the Buku-M3 and 21-meter tower on a caterpillar track

                  ... well, read the comment carefully? ... there actually is a conversation about the carrier ... "Scorpion", "Thunderbolt" ... and, at the expense of the target designator drone ... here and "Tunguska" or "Pine" will provide the proper reception ... CU can give "Rank" where to meet ... bully
                  1. +2
                    3 November 2016 14: 29
                    Quote: Inok10
                    that's why our people from Soviet times ... are engaged in KAZ for MBT

                    "Shtora" did this, but that is not the point.
                    The shorter the time the target is illuminated, the more likely it is that the CEC will not help.
                    1. +2
                      3 November 2016 14: 43
                      Quote: Spade
                      The shorter the time the target is illuminated, the more likely it is that the CEC will not help.

                      ... I agree ... here 50/50 ... but you also need to highlight something ... in different conditions of the battle there is a different probability of defeat ... there are more questions than answers ...
                      1. 0
                        3 November 2016 14: 57
                        Quote: Inok10
                        but you also need to highlight something

                        There are many means of illumination. Starting with powerful aviation systems, and ending with these:
                      2. +3
                        3 November 2016 15: 30
                        Quote: Spade
                        There are many means of illumination. Starting with powerful aviation systems, and ending with these:

                        ... in real conditions of a field battle, it is unlikely that, apart from the illumination of an aircraft carrier, others can be used ... synchronizing the launch and illumination will not be a trivial task ... and it is unlikely that during an attack using MBT there will be no medium and small air defense coverage range and aviation ... that is, 10-35 km. deep into the attacked area ... in such conditions it is not very easy to highlight ... therefore, a supporter of radio command guidance using an automatic target tracking ... or AGSN with the possibility of correction in the final section = smoke, dust, terrain ... Therefore, I think so "Threat" and was not met with applause by our Defense Ministry ... hi
      2. +2
        3 November 2016 11: 46
        Cheap because standard Hydra-70 missiles are used. In the field, personnel can turn their APKWS guided missiles by simply inserting a WGU-59 / B control module between the warhead and the engine, which costs about 30 thousand dollars (this is the cost of the initial stage of production and will decrease as series increase). For the American army, it’s a penny (compared with the cost of AGM-114 HellFire 68-98 thousand dollars per piece)
      3. +1
        3 November 2016 13: 20
        Quote: Thought
        In short, the creation of capable products by converting them from NURs into guided anti-tank missiles seems to me an unlikely event, more likely from the desires of American generals than from reality.


        I have not read the article, but please always comment. What do you see in place of letters? three-finger figure? It seems to be written in Russian: 7000 sets have already been tested and already made. And when it seems to you, cross yourself.
    2. +4
      3 November 2016 11: 17
      (c) Budget and again budget. Crush thieves and fully invest in science and defense (s)
      While any power, from the Kremlin to the district, will be a bunch of thieves, who will crush them? Are you inviting them to strangle themselves? This is unlikely ... Until you and those like you personally begin to Distinguish, all these your slogans are air shock, empty and even harmful.
      1. 0
        9 November 2016 09: 55
        Quote: ava09
        all these slogans of yours are a concussion, empty and even harmful.

        There are two more options ... Either keep quiet or act ... What are you up to?
  2. +3
    3 November 2016 07: 20
    Thank you so much for the analysis, read in one go. There is something to think and work for our minds and production.
    1. 0
      7 November 2016 13: 13
      But you don’t need to think for a long time. The simplest answer is an oncoming laser, which will illuminate and overload the guidance path. These lasers need to be equipped with Armor and, possibly, the T-14. In addition to the laser, you can add a projectile with shrapnel in the form of darts in a caliber of 30 mm for the Shell.
  3. +2
    3 November 2016 09: 29
    The "threat" complex, as I understand it, is a really real and cheap alternative to the expensive current ones. The author has laid out everything in a very intelligible and accessible style. The matter is small - to convey this to those who make cardinal decisions. And here, I'm afraid, patriotism and the interests of the country's defense capability are giving way to commercialism and lobbying of interests.
  4. +2
    3 November 2016 09: 48
    To begin with, Threat's control system is not "much more complicated" as the author claims, but much simpler than all the options for Western and Israeli controlled NURS.
    As a result, they are much cheaper. But there are also disadvantages.
    These are missiles with correction only in the final section. Unlike the western ones, controlled along the entire trajectory. Therefore, there is the problem of accurate guidance so that the rocket still falls into the target area, and the semi-active laser seeker is able to capture the target.
    1. 0
      3 November 2016 10: 20
      If there is a target designator, then it will be able to direct the missile "to the target area".
      1. +2
        3 November 2016 10: 31
        He does not direct.
        The "Threats" missile flies towards the target until the last second as uncontrollable. Accordingly, when launching it, it is necessary to fully take into account all firing conditions.
        There is no such problem for guided missiles throughout the trajectory.
        1. +1
          3 November 2016 11: 52
          Both APKWS and Project Threat have limited maneuvering capabilities due to design features. Guidance for the Uroza project is technically much more difficult to implement.
          1. +2
            3 November 2016 12: 03
            Turn on the brain!
            Technical problems that need to be solved for the "Threat"
            1. The laser receiver on the rocket needs to be protected from soot formed from the operation of solid propellant engines of previously launched rockets (read about the creation of APKWS, designers did not just bring sensors to control surfaces)
            2. It is necessary to calculate the separation of the striking warhead from the NURS, including taking into account the movement of the target
            3. It is necessary to implement a separation mechanism warhead
            4. It is necessary to conduct spatial orientation of the warhead towards the target
            5. It is necessary to capture (including catch) the laser beam reflected from the target after separation of the warhead
            6. It is necessary to correct the trajectory of the warhead by pulsed micromotors
            1. +3
              3 November 2016 13: 50
              Quote: Cympak
              1. The laser receiver on the rocket must be protected from soot formed from the operation of solid propellant engines of previously launched rockets

              Is that a problem? Cap, system of its dumping. The scheme has long been worked out

              Quote: Cympak
              read about creating APKWS constructors not just brought sensors to control surfaces

              It is more likely to increase the sensitivity of LGSN. In fact, these 4 receivers are a large lens that exceeds the diameter of the rocket caliber. The system has long been worked out in astronomy.

              Quote: Cympak
              It is necessary to calculate the separation of the striking warhead from the NURS, including taking into account the movement of the target

              Not necessary. Separation can be done immediately after the rocket engine has finished. Here it is rather necessary to think about the security of their units, rather than the movement of the target. The system has already been tested in rocket artillery.

              Quote: Cympak
              4. It is necessary to conduct spatial orientation of the warhead towards the target

              What for? Unless if there is a desire to hit the target from above, you can use a parachute. The system worked out in rocket artillery.

              Quote: Cympak

              5. It is necessary to capture (including catch) the laser beam reflected from the target after separation of the warhead
              6. It is necessary to correct the trajectory of the warhead by pulsed micromotors

              And this has already been worked out. Even under the USSR. "Daredevil", "Centimeter" - they work quite normally, including in real military operations.
  5. +8
    3 November 2016 11: 31
    Domantsev - verbiage and profane.
    Verbiage.
    This is not the first article of this "expert" in which everything is mixed in one heap: NURS, ATGM, KAZ, all our tactical missiles Kh-29, X-31, X-35. Why compare the incomparable. And most importantly, how to compare the existing and mass-produced APKWS and the "Threat" project. One is already actively used by the Americans in Afghanistan, the other was ONLY exhibited in the form of a model at the stand of JSC NTK AMETECH at MAKS-99. Google AMETECH and you will get: that the company did not pay wages for 2 years, the company did not fulfill the foreign contract of 2001 for the development of weapons (http://rapsinews.ru/judicial_news/20120305/26078
    1848.html),
    Chief Designer and Head of AMTEX - V. Vishnevsky died on January 04.01.2016, 81 (at XNUMX years of age), as reported by the company's website (http://ametech.ru/), there is no more information on the site.
    AMETEX staff is less than 10 people (https://www.zarplata.ru/company/view/9614302/inf
    o)
    What conclusion should be drawn? That at MAKS-99 NTK AMTECH tried to interest someone with his project "Threat". Apparently, the Ministry of Defense was not interested in the project. Perhaps there was a foreign customer, but the contract was not executed. All ... forget about the "Threat" - there is none and never was, did not shoot and did not fly.
    Profan.
    At the very beginning we read; In rapid strike operations, APKWS-II missiles can become the most serious threat to our Tor-M2E and Pantsir-S1 military anti-aircraft missile and anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems: WGU-59 / B has an initial speed of about 1500 m / s (5400 km / h) and a low deceleration coefficient, because of which the target (when firing at a maximum range of 12-15 km), it remains at the level of 850-900 m / s. This is faster than the official speed limit of the Tor-M1 / 2 family complexes (700 m / s), and almost corresponds to the speed limit for interception of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system. In addition, the RCS of APKWS-II missiles barely exceeds the radar signature of a compact reconnaissance hexacopter, i.e. approximately 0,003 - 0,005 m2. "
    1. WGU-59 / B - guidance kit, which is screwed between the warhead and the engine standard NURS Hydra-70
    2. Starting speed of 5400 km \ h. - hypersound! For comparison: the speed of existing armor-piercing submunitions of DM53 for the L-55 Leo-2 gun is 1750 m / s.
    Apparently, you don’t need to turn on the brain!
    1500 m \ s is the speed of fragmentation, and the speed of Hydra-70 missiles is 739 m / s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydra_70) This speed is indicated for a standard rocket, and in the case of APKWS it should be lower because the rocket got heavier due to the screwed-in control section WGU-59
    3. It is necessary to think of it - suppose to shoot down cheap APKWS missiles with expensive missiles of the SAM system Tor !!!!
    Just do not try to recalculate the cost of missiles at the dollar exchange rate. If our workers pay, just as they pay the Americans ....
    1. +3
      3 November 2016 13: 58
      Nevertheless, the relatively cheap RCIC technology is very, very promising. Moreover, in almost all areas, from tank shells to warheads for rocket artillery.
    2. 0
      4 November 2016 01: 20
      First, its speed today reaches the 1000 m / s (link: http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2016/10
      /electro-optical-laser-guided-smart-munitions.htm
      l) Secondly, with the installation of a more powerful engine, it can reach 1500 m / s. I don’t know what kind of brain you turned on when you unsubscribed that such missiles cannot be shot down with expensive "Torahs". And what, theoretically, will you have to do if 5 APKWS is approaching .. and for defense you only have modernized "Tora-M2"? Catch with your hands or will you be juicy? That's right, intercept the WTO with 9M331 and 9M338 missiles (R3VMD) hi
  6. 0
    3 November 2016 11: 40
    An excellent article and a promising type of weapon is the former NURS equipped with cheap passive laser seeker.

    In conjunction with a cheap target designator quadrocopter, this type of weapon becomes a unique means of direct fire support in the company / battalion / brigade (depending on the caliber of the URS) ground forces. At the same time, the URS can be implemented on the basis of both the Grada, Solntsepek and Smerch RSs, and the aviation NURS.

    In the latter case, URS carriers can be strike UAVs with a take-off weight of several tons (operating outside the anti-aircraft artillery fire zone), which will further increase the efficiency of aviation support, its scale and spatial scope, as well as reduce the cost of manufacturing and operating aircraft by sending for a well-deserved rest, the expensive and vulnerable Mi-28, Ka-52 and Su-25.

    Who is to blame that Strike is still not in Syria?
  7. +1
    3 November 2016 12: 36
    Any use of 57-mm NURS S-5 during civil wars is handicraft. It is impossible to seriously discuss the combat effectiveness of such "crafts" in a serious article.
    Apparently, the genre of the article is "fantasy".
  8. +3
    3 November 2016 14: 35
    Quote: Operator
    We already went through this 25 years ago - we stamped 60000+ MBTs, were left without pants and only now we are "getting off our knees"

    Why "churn out MBT"? Something I can’t cut. Do you seriously think that you shouldn't fight with drones?

    There is an air defense / missile defense system battlefield
    There are systems like "Infauna", capable of detecting and suppressing optics
    On the approach systems using microwave to damage electronic circuits of drones.
    There are REP systems that suppress the command line and signal of global positioning systems.

    The Buk is just one of the cogs in this large system. And its use against target designator drones is quite legitimate and at the same time economically justified.
    1. +2
      3 November 2016 15: 50
      "You have no methods against Kostya Saprykin" (C):
      - a drone with a coded communication channel is protected from interception:
      - a drone with a narrow communication channel is protected from jamming electronic warfare;
      - A drone with electronic shielding foil is protected from microwave and electromagnetic radiation;
      - a drone that runs an anti-aircraft snake on the machine, is protected from the illumination of optics with a laser;
      - the drone piloted by the operator based on the image coming from the onboard camera is protected from suppression of the satellite positioning system;
      - a small drone-quadrocopter, maneuvering with acceleration 10g at an altitude of 1000 meters, is protected from the effects of anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS;
      - getting into the 1000-dollar drone with an 300000-dollar missile from Buk should rightfully be considered a downing of a rocket by a drone;
      - 1 million units of 1000-dollar drones cost less than one nuclear submarine, while moving all the Ground Forces to a new level.
      1. +2
        3 November 2016 16: 46
        Quote: Operator
        "You have no methods against Kostya Saprykin" (C):

        Quote: Operator
        - A drone with electronic shielding foil is protected from microwave and electromagnetic radiation;

        ... well, so where are we to the raw and miserable versus the real guy in the foil cap ... laughing
        Quote: Operator
        - a drone with a coded communication channel is protected from interception:
        - a drone with a narrow communication channel is protected from jamming electronic warfare;
        - a drone that runs an anti-aircraft snake on the machine, is protected from the illumination of optics with a laser;
        - the drone piloted by the operator based on the image coming from the onboard camera is protected from suppression of the satellite positioning system;
        - a small drone-quadrocopter, maneuvering with acceleration 10g at an altitude of 1000 meters, is protected from the effects of anti-aircraft artillery and MANPADS;

        ... mdy ... here as they say there are no words ... just smile ...
        - even in the Russo-Japanese they pressed the receiving path ... just a hindrance of greater power ... and then no coding and "channel narrowness" will help you ... to detect such "cunningly made channels" in the RF Armed Forces there are enough SNRTR " Valeria "," Orion "," Avtobaza "," Vega ", etc. ... which give out three coordinates of the source ... then the electronic warfare simply puts a hindrance - stupidly and your drone no longer accepts anything ... the receiving path "lay down", no reception - no control ... further about the microwave this is a masterpiece, but will you also wrap the same receiving path with foil? ... the receiving path is burned out ... and ala-ulyu, there is no drone ... about 10 G drone and anti-aircraft snake ... friday like tomorrow ... wink ...
        Quote: Operator
        - getting into the 1000-dollar drone with an 300000-dollar missile from Buk should rightfully be considered a downing of a rocket by a drone;

        ... SAM "Sosna" and SAM "Tunguska" will land your drone at a distance of 8-10 km. in optical-location mode ... not emitting anything ... just ... bang ... and there is no drone ... and the Buk is not needed here at all ... but in general, this "bird" is enough battalion ZU 23-2 ... both in height and in range ... bully
        1. 0
          3 November 2016 17: 31
          Quote: Inok10
          here, no coding and "channel narrowness" will help you ... to detect such "cleverly made channels" in the RF Armed Forces, there are enough SNRTR "Valeria", "Orion", "Avtobaza", "Vega", etc. .. which give out three coordinates of the source ... then the electronic warfare simply puts a hindrance - it's stupid and your drone no longer accepts anything

          Dear, is rab now in every gateway? How many of them will be needed to block all the approach routes? How will it jam the stand-alone module on a simple controller?
          Quote: Inok10
          the receiving path "lay down", there is no reception - there is no control ... further about the microwave this is a masterpiece, but will you also wrap the same receiving path with foil?

          Will there be no satellite signal along the directional antenna? How scary to live. And this is at an ogggromny distance of 10 km lol
          Quote: Inok10
          SAM "Sosna" and SAM "Tunguska" will land your drone at a distance of 8-10 km. in optical-location mode

          And how many of these tungusks are needed to guarantee the interception of all approach routes? the regiment certainly isn’t enough, and here you are talking about battalions ... at a distance of 10 km, isn’t it funny again?
          1. 0
            3 November 2016 18: 03
            Inok is ready to give every motorized rifle company the Tungusok division - unlimited, so to speak laughing

            As for the foil, unbelievers let them study a physics textbook for the 6 class of Soviet high school.

            A directional radio link is overwhelmed by interference located on that radio link. Those interested can try to lift into the air between the ground operator and a drone flying at an altitude of 1 km, SNRTR Valeria, Orion, Avtobaza, Vega, etc.

            And for those who are good at "burning out" microwave ovens, SAM "Sosna", ZRPK "Tunguska", ZU-23-2, etc., a test video of the linear dimensions and maneuverability of the company-level target designator drone under the motto "I I'll kiss you later if you want "(C)

            1. +1
              3 November 2016 18: 48
              Quote: Operator
              Those interested can try to lift into the air between the ground operator and a drone flying at an altitude of 1 km, SNRTR Valeria, Orion, Avtobaza, Vega, etc.

              Why, the range is less than 8))))) A small drone with a jammer is enough.

              And by the way, from what side is "Avtobaza" here ???
              1. 0
                3 November 2016 21: 29
                An enemy drone with a jammer is an argument, but it is a goal for our drone with a jammer. Normal combat situation of forces and counterforce (tanks and ATGM, ATGM and KAZ, KAZ and shrapnel, etc.)

                Who knows why Inok10 focused on lifting Avtobaza into the air, or better RB-301B Borisoglebsk-2 with full minced meat R-330KMV, R-378BMV, R-330BMV, R-934BMV and R-325UMV laughing
                1. +2
                  4 November 2016 12: 04
                  Quote: Operator
                  A directional radio link is overwhelmed by interference located on that radio link. Those interested can try to lift into the air between the ground operator and a drone flying at an altitude of 1 km, SNRTR Valeria, Orion, Avtobaza, Vega, etc.

                  ... I recommend very strongly repeating the basis of the basics - the propagation of radio waves, I think there will be many discoveries for you ... wink ... and, in your opinion, in the case of using a "super-duper directional channel", they suddenly began to run only along a narrow straight line and not a step to the side ... in general, physics says the opposite laughing ... altitude here is not at all by any side ... all of the above means - radio intelligence stations ... they don’t need to fly, they are perfectly standing on the firmament of the earth eating any transmitting source located on the ground or in the air with a power of 1 W at a distance at least 50 km. ... about 1 W power - these are home Wi-Fi routers of this particular power and the power of household transmitters is limited by law ... their range is known to everyone ... bully ... in your case you will have to have a transmitter of at least 10kW of power, so you operate with a range of a kilometer or more ...
                  Quote: Operator
                  Who knows why Inok10 focused on lifting Avtobaza into the air, or better RB-301B Borisoglebsk-2 with full minced meat R-330KMV, R-378BMV, R-330BMV, R-934BMV and R-325UMV

                  ... well, well done read my post, the answer Lopatov at 20.05 about "Avtobaz" and thinking for 20 minutes scribbled at 20.29, and even spiced up the abscess in the tyrnet for greater importance with "indices" ... passed for a literate ... tongue ... my friend doesn’t roll ... since the development of the first electronic warfare stations, a simple law of +30 dB has been known and there is not a single communication channel ... even a super-duper directional ... bully
                  1. 0
                    4 November 2016 12: 24
                    You are behind the times: now a directional radio channel is primarily a directional (phased) antenna that operates on reception.

                    In this case, all signal sources (including EW stations) located not where the native signal transmission station is located are ignored, and the native signal is spatially allocated according to the three given coordinates of the source.
          2. +1
            3 November 2016 19: 04
            Quote: MarioG
            And how many of these tungusks are needed to guarantee the interception of all approach routes? the regiment certainly isn’t enough, and here you are talking about battalions ... at a distance of 10 km, isn’t it funny again?

            We have two anti-aircraft battalions in brigades for 3 motorized rifle battalions. Tied in a single automated control system. this is not counting the funds of the senior boss.
            Do not confuse us with the Americans, with their weak ground component of military air defense.
            1. +2
              3 November 2016 21: 05
              Quote: Operator
              And for those who are good at "burning out" microwave ovens, SAM "Sosna", ZRPK "Tunguska", ZU-23-2, etc., a test video of the linear dimensions and maneuverability of the company-level target designator drone under the motto "I I'll kiss you later if you want "(C)

              ... that's for sure I'm just like Leonid Ilyich in the gums ... if this "vzhikh-vzhikh" contraption, apart from pirouettes, can still use a thread ... well, illuminate it with a laser or provide target designation ... that is, carry a payload .. . at least 0,5 kg. ... and the pirouettes are certainly cool, but the speed is not higher than 150-180 m / s visually ... and even with such quirks, the flight time does not exceed 5-7 minutes. ... a beautiful toy no more ...
              Quote: Spade
              A small drone with a jammer is enough.

              ... here, the client "Leer-3" ... in a circle of 12 km. no connection in the 935-1785 MHz range ... and then I understand it depends on the removable container on the Orlan, who will tell us everything ...
              Quote: Spade
              And by the way, from what side is "Avtobaza" here ???

              ... yes, it’s me who was screwing up instead of Borisoglebsk-2 ... except you, no one noticed ... they are the Guys of High and Fast Flight ... wink
              Quote: Spade
              We have two anti-aircraft battalions in brigades for 3 motorized rifle battalions.

              ... and in every battalion there is an air defense platoon of its own ... hi
      2. +1
        3 November 2016 18: 45
        Decided to shield from the microwave? Cool. Go to the kitchen, look at the microwave door, you will understand what constitutes shielded optics from microwave 8))))))))))))))))

        A drone with a narrowly directed communication channel requires direct visibility, performing an anti-aircraft snake - a powerful stabilization system and a target tracking machine, piloted directly by the operator - a direct powerful and permanent control channel.
        A small drone-quadrocopter maneuvering with an acceleration of 10G still remains slower than ready-made striking elements or fragments.

        Quote: Operator
        - getting into the 1000-dollar drone with an 300000-dollar missile from Buk should rightfully be considered a downing of a rocket by a drone;

        Simply enchanting !!!
        The average E-SAPI you have praised repeatedly costs 495 bucks. 7.62 cartridge - 22 rubles. That is about 35 cents.
        You do not consider American body armor a good solution because of their economic inexpediency?
        1. +1
          3 November 2016 22: 01
          The microwave in the closed position during operation is fonit, since it does not have a solid screen. Protection against electromagnetic radiation should be continuous, like a shielded cable in the photo


          Optical surfaces such as aircraft cabin lights are shielded by spraying metal onto silicate or organic glass.

          A company-level target designator, hanging over a company strongpoint or an offensive zone at an altitude of 1 km, is by default in line of sight of the operator. In the video I presented, the quadcopter was in fact equipped enough to spin its pirouettes. "Automatic target tracking" is just one of the functions of the video camera software (modern smartphones not only track the "target" - a person's face, but also automatically recognize it, and do not have any "automatic").

          Maneuvers with acceleration of 10g or more are designed to ensure a quadrocopter missile missile or projectile missile, taking into account the radius of the destruction by fragments of their warheads.

          It is not necessary to compare the cost of 200 chest and dorsal plates of body armor of fighters of a motorized rifle company with the cost of one company level targeting drone.
          And by the way (without regard to the mass adoption of UAVs) - yes, I consider it extremely important to equip 1 million Russian motorized rifles with ESAPI-class bulletproof vests for 1000 dollars each.
          1. 0
            April 13 2017 11: 42
            In order for the drone to maneuver with such parameters, it will at least need an engine with the right power, and everything else to it.
            The classic model sports helicopter model can perform maneuvers with overloads as high as 6 G wink , while its engine has a power of 11 kW at the peak, it consumes a battery of 44 volts 5 amperes in 3 minutes of maneuvers, has a weight of about 5 kilograms and has no payload, and is also controlled by a qualified PILOT, and not a program with an operator, because with such maneuvers, the reaction should be instantaneous, otherwise crash per second is ensured. This model has a thrust of about +5 weight, and now, please, find such a drone with such parameters. laughing
            I’ll say an even funnier thing: if you push the quadcopter tap drone down and give the “slipper up” below, it will whistle with 2g acceleration until it yops, and all because the thrust on the edge due to the payload has been checked repeatedly. So either slowly and sadly, we save batteries, or quickly, but not for long, and if not in optical visibility with our own eyes, there are no quick maneuvers, otherwise, orientation loss and crash !!
  9. 0
    3 November 2016 15: 21
    Lopatov,
    For a company-level UAV target designator, a laser with a range of 1,5 km in dusty combat conditions is required.
    1. +1
      3 November 2016 15: 46
      One and a half kilometers is too small.
      But here the problem is not even in the laser itself. There are three problems: LCD power supply, a gyrostabilized platform, and a target tracking machine.
      I don't think it makes sense to put a lighting system on company-level infantry drones. A pair of spotters with a portable LCD, working in the interests of both artillery and aviation, will be enough there. Perhaps, they should be additionally equipped with light laser markers to illuminate targets "from around the corner" for work in populated areas and in the immediate vicinity of the enemy.
      Perhaps an infantry platoon commander should be equipped with a light marker.
      1. 0
        3 November 2016 19: 03
        Many commercial quadrocopters in the base are equipped with a gyro-stabilized suspension for video / IR cameras, on which you can optionally install a laser pointer.

        Moreover, the GS-suspension is not critical - there are already versions of drones with software firmware that allows for automatic tracking of the target chosen by the operator with its corresponding laser illumination.

        1,5 km range when flying at an altitude of 1 km is a circle with a diameter of 3 km - that is what is needed to control the area of ​​responsibility of a motorized rifle company. If necessary, you can launch a second drone in the depths of the enemy’s defense to reconnaissance artillery positions, for example. In an hour, he combed a few dozen square kilometers.

        Any body movements of the enemy are visible from above, so the quality of target designation will not be several orders of magnitude better than from the ground.
        1. 0
          3 November 2016 19: 16
          Quote: Operator
          Many commercial quadrocopters in the base are equipped with a gyro-stabilized suspension for video / IR cameras, on which you can optionally install a laser pointer.

          Yeah 8))))))))))))))) for how many meters will it work? From strength to ten?

          Quote: Operator
          Moreover, the GS-suspension is not critical - there are already versions of drones with software firmware that allows for automatic tracking of the target chosen by the operator with its corresponding laser illumination.

          Uh ... Do you understand what this is about? You can programmatically eliminate image jitter. But just to programmatically stabilize the laser pointer is simply impossible. For he is not a virtual thing, but the most real

          Quote: Operator
          1,5 km range when flying at an altitude of 1 km is a circle with a diameter of 3 km - that is what is needed to control the area of ​​responsibility of a motorized rifle company. If necessary, you can launch a second drone in the depths of the enemy’s defense to reconnaissance artillery positions, for example. In an hour, he combed a few dozen square kilometers.

          Yeah ... By default, an adversary cannot fight an UAV, should this be understood?
          1. 0
            3 November 2016 22: 19
            Here is the 1,5 km target designator with lots of unnecessary parts for the drone like battery, grip, etc. weighs 1,3 kg, I don’t think the drone version would weigh more than 200 grams


            Image jitter in DSLR cameras is compensated not only electronically, but also electromechanically, by shifting the optical unit to the right side. In the suspension of the drone’s camera, the entire camera weighing about 100 grams can be displaced in three planes.

            But how will the enemy fight a compact and highly maneuverable drone flying at an altitude of 1 km along a given route on autopilot (without using a control channel), without forgetting to perform anti-aircraft maneuvers?
          2. 0
            April 13 2017 11: 54
            Quote: Spade
            Uh ... Do you understand what this is about? You can programmatically eliminate image jitter. But just to programmatically stabilize the laser pointer is simply impossible. For he is not a virtual thing, but the most real

            Kayans for their drones produce a gyro-suspension, under a video camera weighing up to 1.5 kilograms, it costs a couple of hundred bucks, our lovers are already riveting on their knee-software freely distributed.
  10. +2
    4 November 2016 08: 24
    If the purpose of the article is to give an idea of ​​what an aircraft corrected missile is, then this is a good result. And so, in fact:
    The cost of the control unit for APKWS-1 was $ 5500, for the second APKWS - I do not know. So the pleasure is not cheap. Therefore, use blocks for a small number of missiles. What do we have:
    1. About the Threat - forget it. In addition to the layouts, there was nothing and will never be.
    2. Ask the Tula Alloy about the OCD "Bukva" - where the hell is OUR S-8KOR1 (http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1077129.html)
    One hope, maybe the experience of Syria will tell the Russian Defense Ministry in which direction it is necessary to concentrate resources
  11. 0
    4 November 2016 19: 53
    To shoot down such an air object moving almost at hypersonic speed is equivalent to intercepting by a bullet a needle flying at the speed of sound. And not every air defense system will be able to effectively counter such an air attack weapon.

    It depends on what path it moves.
    Quote: Operator
    But how will the enemy fight a compact and highly maneuverable drone flying at an altitude of 1 km along a given route on autopilot (without using a control channel), without forgetting to perform anti-aircraft maneuvers?

    Apparently a laser locator and a microwave module.
  12. 0
    7 November 2016 22: 19
    the data carrier itself, b / n, will still have to approach the launch distance, and this is only possible with weak operation of air defense and cover aviation systems
  13. 0
    1 December 2016 12: 12
    All this is certainly interesting, but I think that it is enough to equip our air defense systems with something like a "lever" or "president." There is a video in YouTube where a helicopter is fired at needles with missiles and they are blown up to the side around the car.

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