China introduced the latest version of export tank

NORINCO (PRC) presented at the exhibition "Airshow China - 2016" a new version of its export tank MBT-3000 (VT-4). Ukrainian experts saw him as a strong competitor to the Oplot tank. This is reported by the newspaper. MIC.

“On the presented sample, a number of changes are seen in comparison with the base model. First of all, it is an installed remote-controlled machine-gun installation - apparently designed for a Pakistani customer, ”the publication of the commentary of the resource Defence.ru leads.

“In general, Oplot’s armor, engine remains less and less trump cards, especially against the current Ukroboronprom achievements,” Ukrainian expert Andrei Tarasenko writes in his blog.

MBT-3000 (VT-4) is a new generation export tank. According to the portal, “the 51 tonnage combat vehicle is equipped with a 125-mm smooth-bore gun, which can also fire missiles at a distance of up to 5000 meters, 12,7-mm anti-aircraft guns and 7,62-mm integrated machine guns, eight 76-mm smoke grenade launchers and four X-MUM machine guns, eight 76-mm smoke grenade launchers and four X-MUM machine guns, eight XNUMX mm smoke grenade launchers and four X-MUM machine guns mm "shrapnel" grenade launchers ".

Earlier in Beijing confirmed the ongoing development of the fourth generation tank. To date, the car already exists in the "gland" and probably represents something similar to the Russian "Armatu", concludes the resource.

Comments

[the most important]

China rushing at full speed! It remains only to envy ... It is a pity that in Russia for so many years the economy can not get on its feet ... The Chinese dragon is gaining strength and this is a big problem for Russia.

[olegfbi]

Ukrainian experts saw him as a strong competitor to the Oplot tank.

Well done Chinese!
Ukrainian "experts" anneal Any tank that is mass-produced in any country is a mega competitor to the "stronghold" for a very simple reason - Ukraine simply cannot mass-produce such a technological and expensive product as a tank!

[SRC P-15]

Ukrainian experts saw him as a strong competitor to the Oplot tank.

How Ukrainian it is: neither Russian, nor American, nor German, nor Israeli tanks, the "stronghold" seems to have no competitors!

[Muvka]

Do you think that the Chinese economy is much better than ours? We would have had 1,5 billion meat and we would have been no worse ...

[Temples]

There is no "1,5 billion meat" in Japan.
There is no "1,5 billion meat" in South Korea.

Do you consider yourself meat? Or do you belong to a higher race, and the Chinese are your meat?

It's hard to hide dope.

[Muvka]

I do not understand what does Japan or the South Caucasus have to do with it? It seems they talked about China ...

[neri73-r]

There is no "1,5 billion meat" in Japan.
There is no "1,5 billion meat" in South Korea.
Do you consider yourself meat?

Japan and South Korea live in debt, there is a frantic debt, only the SGA has it higher !!! So you can work, only if asked to give, the question is what will happen to the economy of Japan and South Korea ??? Huh? Tovarisch Temples!

[Blackmokona]

Nothing will happen, they have most of the internal debt, and they owe the other part to the United States, while lending a lot of money to the USA themselves

[neri73-r]

No need to ring out! Japan takes the 6th place in external debt, and in the first place in internal debt, by the way -

The table does not take into account the obligations of states on pension insurance, medical insurance, health care and other types of financing. Including hidden debt.

[Temples]

Comrade Neri73-r, economies in Japan and Korea are not bad either.
Regarding the debt, you tell your grandmother and try to hang noodles on her at the expense of the debt collection requirements.
Debts are serviced.
And so far, no one wants to take their money out of these "debt" economies.
Instead, they invest money because the economy is successful.
Maybe you tovaris neri73-r burned all your bucks, or do you know the best way to save your money during the collapse of the ruble?

Here's a picture of tovaris neri73-r.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: neri73-r

By external debt, Japan is in 6th place

And what? Why in general is this blah blah about anything, what difference does it make to you who has any debts? Normal people are interested in the standard of living and the economy, and Americans, Japanese, etc. never exchange their standard of living for the Russian one in return for the lower internal and external debts of the state, because this is a hemorrhage of the authorities of these countries, not citizens. And not everything is so rosy and in the Russian Federation with debts.

[co-creator]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Normal people are interested in the standard of living and the economy, and Americans, Japanese, etc. never exchange their standard of living for the Russian one in return for the lower internal and external debts of the state, because this is a hemorrhage of the authorities of these countries, not citizens.

What should Americans change it for?
If the Japanese, Koreans and Germans are satisfied with the life of the lackeys of the State Department, but the rich, this is their personal choice. This does not suit us and therefore we will rise ourselves, albeit slowly.

[karabas-barabas]

Well, about the "lackeys of the State Department", whoever hurts, the West Germans, the South Koreans and the Japanese are grateful to the Americans for not giving them at the disposal of the USSR and thus were able to avoid the fate of the GDR and the DPRK, and also helped them to unwind to the level of the leading industrial economies, with powerful science and a high standard of living, displacing the Americans themselves from many positions. Normal people are primarily interested in their standard of living and freedoms, and fools are talking about well-paid, living quite European-style, talking heads who tell them about a special way, enemies in the west, etc. You would not speak for the whole people, this is one, but two, to rise slowly ?? In fact, the opposite process is observed in a country rich in resources and people, which, in theory, should have a standard of living higher than that of the Eastern European countries. But for this, the country's leadership must be under the control of the people and be engaged in the development of the state, and not self-enrichment.

[neri73-r]

Normal people are primarily interested in their standard of living and freedoms.

What are you talking about? What nah ... freedom? What are you free from? Tell this little children !!! You have been tearing our economy apart for two years now, have you torn it apart? But if we lived like in Japan or in Holland, then the kirdyk would come to us !!! The storyteller is free!

[KaPToC]

Quote: neri73-r

only if asked to give, the question is what will happen to the economy

There will be nothing, they just will not give it back.

[dauria]

We would have had 1,5 billion meat and we would have been no worse ...

Strange argument. If my cat grows to the size of a tiger, I will be afraid. In the meantime, he rakes Luli. Yes, there are more. Yes, they work and can feed themselves. Yes, they come first in terms of GDP at PS parity. And they do not care that somewhere in Holland there is the world's most advanced chicken farm.

[co-creator]

Quote: dauria

Strange argument.

This is not an argument, but a fact. Kitami rose on cheap labor and its performance. If in the Russian Federation there were at least 300 million as in the USA, then our economy would be in a solid third place.
You just do not understand what total corruption in China is.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

How Ukrainian it is: neither Russian, nor American, nor German, nor Israeli tanks, the "stronghold" seems to have no competitors!

Last year, one Ukrainian expert generally argued that "... it was the competition from the VT-4 that forced Russia to start developing the Armata."
.It is so literally written )))

[Bloodsucker]

http://warfiles.ru/show-133805-v-kitae-vpervye-pr
edstavili-udarnyy-helicopter-z10k.html
The development of an attack helicopter was carried out by OKB im. Kamova. According to unconfirmed reports, the order for the creation of a new attack helicopter came from the Chinese government back in 1995.

The helicopter is capable of speeds up to 300 km / h and rise to a height of 6400 meters. The combat load is about 1500 kg. Z-10K is capable of carrying air-to-ground and air-to-air missiles.
You want to say that the Chinese do not think when certain weapons are made?

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Muvka

We would have had 1,5 billion meat and we would have been no worse ...

The economy of the Russian Federation depends on the price of raw materials, China on industry. Of course, the Russian economy, as well as the standard of living, should have been at a very high level, given the legacy of the USSR, human and natural resources, but this requires professionals in the government (and not matchmakers, colleagues, friends), or the authorities in general, public control and levers of pressure of citizens on power. There would now be 1,5mrd of the population in the Russian Federation, there would be a mass famine in Russia, and not an economy like in China, a pipe, and so it’s dealing with 140mio ..

[co-creator]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Of course, the Russian economy, as well as the standard of living, should have been at a very high level, given the legacy of the USSR, human and natural resources, but this requires professionals in the government (and not matchmakers, colleagues, friends), or the authorities in general, public control and levers of pressure of citizens on power

You’re raving again. In Russia, there are only 140 million people in a vast territory. For example, you have 80 million, and the territory is several times smaller than European Russia. For the economy to grow, it is necessary to build infrastructure in large quantities, and for this, people are needed. They are stupidly not.
In China, corruption is an order of magnitude higher this is for information, and nepotism developed many times stronger.

Quote: karabas-barabas

There would now be 1,5mrd of the population in the Russian Federation, there would be a mass famine in Russia, and not an economy like in China, a pipe, and so it’s dealing with 140mio ..

How old are you child?

[karabas-barabas]

You are not ham here! You rave and you write all sorts of nonsense. In Canada, everything is fine with the infrastructure. In order that it was necessary to build it, and not to plunder the allocated money for it. There are no people .. Everything is there, and people and money, there is no public control and responsibility of the authorities to the people. But in terms of the standard of living of officials, security officials, the number of yachts, conditions in offshore and western banks, as well as real estate in London in the first place, cheers!

[KaPToC]

Quote: karabas-barabas

But in terms of the standard of living of officials, security officials, the number of yachts, conditions in offshore and western banks, as well as real estate in London in the first place, cheers!

Are you talking about the USA?

[KaPToC]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Russian economy depends on raw material prices

The economies of ALL countries of the world depend on prices for raw materials, why should Russia stand out?

[Cat]

Hmm! Goose hybrid. I must admit that the "great copier" in its role. Our armament and chassis, the architecture of the tower is German, the fire control system is partly French. I wonder whose engine.

[Bloodsucker]

Actually what is your comment about?
Well, take Skoda, what is Czech there now when everything is German.
And who said that it’s necessary to create quite Chinese when there are already proven samples. What’s new to contrive with tracks, rollers, torsion bars?
And what's new with a triangular tower to put, that would be purely Chinese. And why?
To build a cannon out of bamboo, so did the Chinese really survive from the mind?
To build an engine out of 13 boilers on peat? Again, who do you think the Chinese are?

[marshes]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Well, take Skoda, what is Czech there now when everything is German.

Only assembly is possible, and it’s not entirely from parts in Russia and Kazakhstan that they are assembled.
HOW cars, no matter how-fictitious. The worst developments from Volkswagen are presented. Seat also refers to them. If the Audi 100, for example, still drives, the years 1990, then Skodes are already raining since the 2000s.

[KaPToC]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Again, who do you think the Chinese are?

There is Armata, soon the Americans will roll out the next general, the Germans pile leo3. What the Chinese did - for lack of a better ride.

[Zaurbek]

there are two options or three ...: licensed MTU, an analogue of our tank diesel and Ukrainian boxer (in Pakistan it stands)

[uncle]

China has many economic problems. There, even data on the production and consumption of electricity is classified so as not to detect a recession.

[Vladimirets]

"probably represents something similar to the Russian" Armata "", concludes the resource. "

Oh, these iksperdy, how can you make a conclusion about "similarity to" Armata "if no one has seen the car?

[User]

China is developing a tank, the Armata (T-14) is a tank, and all tanks are "similar" to other tanks. That's why they are experts, to see things about which we cannot even guess.

[just exp]

Did you even read that it was about China? given that China has never developed anything of its own, or stupidly copied without changes, or simply took part of one foreign product, part of another, part third, a kind of lego for the military-industrial complex and supposedly was going to own it. then what do you think will look like a Chinese tank if there are no analogues to Aramate in the west and you can take an example only from the Russian model?

[dauria]

given that China has never developed anything of its own

A strange statement. What do you mean "your" and "did not develop"? Even the selection of a replacement for the material of the copied product, calculation of strength, testing is already development. Their engineers learn, the technologies available to them are added. They teach and prepare the young shift, education is at the level. (take a look at the last Olympiads).
Want "Nobel Prizes" - will soon be. Stalin began with a copy of a Ford truck, and the Tu-4 and RD-45 were copied and recalculated for his own, he was not shy. Actually, in the whole world everyone steals and is not shy.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

that's right. moreover, such threatening terms appeared - "industrial espionage" and "brain hunters", or even intellectual robbery of countries where the patent office is not coordinated with the global

[cniza]

In general, Oplot has fewer trump cards (armor, engine), especially against the background of the current "achievements" of Ukroboronprom, ”Ukrainian expert Andriy Tarasenko writes in his blog.

And these are right there with their "written bag".

[Polite Moose]

Well, how do you like? The Chinese have jeopardized the function of settlement in Ukraine.

[rotmistr60]

“In general, Oplot has fewer and fewer trump cards (armor, engine), especially against the background of the current“ achievements of Ukroboronprom ”

Surprisingly, Ukraine did not blame China for industrial espionage. After all, all the best that you can be proud of and what to adopt, of course, in Ukraine. But the Chinese are great and you can’t get anywhere.

[loginovich]

Ukrainian experts saw him as a strong competitor to the Oplot tank.

Since when VO became the Ukrainian site. Seen missed something
.Ukrainian experts found authority, ridiculously by golly.

[Altona]

In the photo, some kind of "armatureopard" is presented. Bulwarks with a tilt for Armata, a tower with bait like Lyopa-2. Six rollers like the T-72. Chinese Kuin in one word.

[just exp]

This is an export conversion of Type-96,99, there is nothing fundamentally new there.
but what will be like Armata, its pictures are not here, but I think it is nowhere to be found.

[Banishing liberoids]

Ukroiny has a secret weapon - an armored self-propelled trash can called "manure"! next to the brainchild of the Ukrainian VPK, a Chinese tank is a cheap fake !!! because a Chinese tank will not fit as much garbage as in "manure"!

[taseka]

While an ally is good !!! But do not forget that this is a sleeping tiger !!!

[Mountain shooter]

Before "Armata" to the Chinese, as we have to China "back to front". Let them reach at least the latest modification of the T-90.

[APASUS]

It is worth recognizing that the Chinese tank can be considered a competitor to almost all countries, because the world requires very expensive cars and just as cheap. So, the segment of cheap and used equipment China will take very seriously soon. And the tank is not a competitor to the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, Ukraine does not have a military industrial complex in the field of tank building.

[alavrin]

In fact, this tank is a real competitor not to Ukrainians with their pitiful 10 "Strongholds" a year (at best), but to us, because the segment is the same: poor countries in Africa, Asia and Latin America

[Muzzle]

The tower is not impressive - instead of a round-robin reservation, only the front buzzer is possible, Oplot has more coverage with DZ already tested in battles. Turned the Tower on 45 gr. get a 100% breakdown in the side of the turret with an ATGM, and who knows, maybe the Chinese will be broken by an ordinary RPG)). On-board Screens, that is, that they are not, it is clear that this is an export version, but here is how they can withstand the RPG tandem heads. And the vaunted Chinese engine reliability, which everyone knows is worth it.
What can we talk about, what a Chinese. He had never received ATGMs. Ukraine already makes tanks taking into account the hostilities, but here, of course, the quality of production is lame, and the Chinese only sculpt with drawings. Here, the tarnished reputation of the quality of Ukrainian production, and the fulfillment of the contract by Ukraine will influence the choice more. BRICS will certainly influence, by its influence on the countries of the region, what they can buy now, they will point out and tell them, so my opinion is not so simple that Chinese or Ukrainian is better.

[marshes]

Quote: Muzzle

And the vaunted Chinese engine reliability, which everyone knows is worth it.

Who knows, Khovo, their 40 tonnage before overhaul, we have 400 thousand run over, the brakes are crappy. Kamaz cannot do that much. And for the money, for two years in leasing at a construction site, you can "beat off" another five or seven, you can then use it for scrap.
In China, there is a law, cars older than 12 years are disposed of, nevermind that a small car or a Ferrari. So they don’t want to create durable cars and do not deceive customers.

[ML-334]

I’ll say that it’s hardy front-end loaders, it doesn’t drive oil anywhere, the engine overheated a couple of times, it keeps it.

[co-creator]

Quote: Muzzle

Oplot has more coverage with DZ already tested in battles.

This is what battles he tested? In virtual if only)

[Crimean partisan 1974]

but what, and even a battle to call ...... not enough

[karabas-barabas]

He confused with Bulat. There was a battle near Debaltseve, T-72B3 against Bulat. According to the T-72B3 gunner’s story, a bullet was fired at with a crowbar, but DZ saved him and burned the T-72B3 with an answer. But it doesn’t change the essence; on the Oplot there is the same DZ Knife and Doublet and the level of protection is even higher.

[svp67]

Quote: karabas-barabas

But it doesn’t change the essence; on the Oplot there is the same DZ Knife and Doublet and the level of protection is even higher.

Let's just say that this is not entirely true, I mean about "Knife", photos of destroyed T-64E, aka "Bulat" is enough,






as well as stories about the fact that this "DZ", when triggered, itself puts the tank out of action. She has a lot of increased power.

[karabas-barabas]

One does not exclude the other. The battle near Debaltseve was described directly by the participants from both sides, from the side of the DPR it was the very burnt Buryat. And yet, the reflection of the crowbar in real combat is an excellent result. The photographs show damaged tanks in various situations. Probably the same as with various weapons. Bulat has little against an ATGM with 900mm penetration into the rear of the tower. But I am still inclined to believe that DZ "Knife" and "Doublet" are more advanced DZ than DZ "Contact 5".

[KaPToC]

Quote: karabas-barabas

was shot with a crowbar at Bulat, but DZ saved it

How does DZ protect against scrap? Something your gunner breshet.

Quote: karabas-barabas

he burned T-72B3

Apparently, the gunner who burned in this tank told you everything.

[Torins]

Quote: Expelling Liberoids

Ukroiny has a secret weapon - an armored self-propelled trash can called "manure"! next to the brainchild of the Ukrainian VPK, a Chinese tank is a cheap fake !!! because a Chinese tank will not fit as much garbage as in "manure"!

I would not have so much to scoff at the Ukrainian tank building, although everything is stolen to hell there, but let's remember that during the Soviet era, Ukraine was the main competitor of the Uralvagonzavod in the design and construction of tanks. Suddenly, they still have some fanatic-pensioner who has not escaped from the design bureau in the same Kharkov (like the others) and continues to design tanks. The same "Oplot" if you look not biased at all is not a bad combat vehicle))

[alavrin]

Yes, at least 20 fanatics-old farts (by the way, there are just no Bandera members among them - because all of them are graduates of the Soviet school with fundamental technical knowledge, which means they are organically incapable of jumping with a saucepan on their heads and with a joke "glory Ukraine") technical capability of the state to ensure the introduction of innovations. And this is impossible with the current Bandera Ukraine with Selyukov's thinking of the priority of the pigsty.

[burigaz2010]

Hmm, I’m embarrassed to even ask how many Ukroin made strongholds?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

The same "Oplot" if you look not biased at all is not a bad combat vehicle.
bad. and here's why - the stronghold is the same T-80, pretty heavier, (42 tons of T-80 versus 51 tons at the stronghold). Moreover, the chassis remained the same (roller tires, rubber-metal hinges, torsion bar tension), the mounted aprons and body kits added almost 10 tons and the specific ground load increased from 0.92 kg per square cm to almost 1 kg per square cm, which is comparable with tanks of the Second World War, a two-stroke counter opposite with injection blowing of the 6DT engine was not much gluttonous on the T-64 and even with a scanty resource of 200 hours (although the declared service life remained on paper at 1000 hours), no one strengthened the side armor, and even more so about any layering of the idiom it cannot be, so that it has 60 mm of homogeneous steel, which is sewn from 14.5 mm, and if between the 3rd and 4th rollers, then this is exactly in the ammunition rack, and from tandem shots from the "seven" this definitely will not save one hundred percent out of a hundred, there are still many complaints, but along the way, this is enough to send the Stronghold to the scrap

[just exp]

Is 60mm from 14.5 easy to sew? when did it happen?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

back in 1941. A 14,5-mm BS-41 bullet with a tungsten carbide core from a distance of 500 m pierced a plate of armored steel up to 50 mm thick, from 100 meters a thickness of armored steel was 70 mm, there were more workings out, but they didn’t go into series, but in vain

[d.gksueyjd]

It was so long ago that it was already forgotten (25 officially + 5 years of Gorbachev's "rule")! The severance of economic ties with the Russian Federation (and the "ties" themselves from 1991 to 1999) nullified the industrial potential of ALL former Soviet republics.

[dima mzk]

you are mistaken OMSK the main competitor of Nizhny Tagil was with the T-80, Kharkov is also strong but a maximum of 3rd

[aszzz888]

and why, ukrokaklovsky stronghold-navel of tank building? Or the same tank, ukrokakly came up with?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

they just managed to spoil the T-80, and they did it very sensibly

[Torins]

Quote: aszzz888

and why, ukrokaklovsky stronghold-navel of tank building? Or the same tank, ukrokakly came up with?

No, they just don’t have anything worthwhile)

[Crimean partisan 1974]

To date, the car already exists in the "hardware" and, probably, is something similar to the Russian "Armata" ", concludes the resource.

degenerative resource Defense.ru. if it cannot distinguish a pug from an elephant, the T-14 has what no one has, it is an uninhabited tower, and then even worse when comparing world MBT

[Torins]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

no one reinforced the side armor, and even more so about any layering of the idiom, it cannot be used, so it has 60mm of homogeneous steel, which is sewn from 14.5 mm, and if between the 3rd and 4th rollers, then this is in the ammunition rack exactly, and from tandem shots from the "seven" it definitely will not save one hundred percent out of a hundred, there are still many complaints, but along the way, this is enough to send the Stronghold to the scrap

Multilayer armor even with t-64 was, if not earlier, from where did the bulwark infa?) I do not claim that it is one of the best tanks in the world, but compared to the T-72 it is not bad either. Yes, and what for engine space resources if these tanks are still either just standing in hangars or brought by train to Donbass and there he is most of the time anyway)

[Crimean partisan 1974]

T-80 ON-BOARD ARMOR DOES NOT have any layering. The T-80 was created like the T-64, a tank for conquering bridgeheads, a breakthrough tank. on this everything was paid to make the frontal projection as secure as possible, and ..... and everything, they coped with the task perfectly, BUT. as a tank "for all occasions" neither the T-64 nor the T-80 are suitable, and this point was set in the Donbass, the code was deployed the backs and ammunition rack of the T-64 and Oplotam, militia fighters (later the DPR Armed Forces) from the PTRD and PTRS , it's a pity the damask steel broke down on the way to ata (probably intentionally), but they would also be unforgiving,
but compared to the T-72 the same he is not bad.,
The stronghold is bad, because it has lost an important chip-KUV !!!!! the optoelectronic unit was made in the Crimea (Feodosia), according to this entot shoot Toka Mogt classic, thus, the security is practically -0, the reliability of the power plant is 0, the latest weapons are 0, I don’t know who is bad, maybe it can drive a bulwark to a tank biathlon ??? there and see who and what

[Mentat]

Quote: Temples

Debts are serviced.
And so far, no one wants to take their money out of these "debt" economies.
Instead, they invest money because the economy is successful.

Very naive view.
You don’t even have any idea how these named economies were formed. You can add Germany here. Have you heard anything about Marshall’s plan? And what about the reverse course policy?

These are economic neoplasms artificially inflated with credit dollars under the complete external control of the United States, the dependence of which was fixed at the level of the Constitution and remains to this day.

[karabas-barabas]

Artificially inflated Greece, or some Chechnya. And Germany and so forth. South. Korea is quite a real industrial power. And can you please extract from the constitutions of these countries, where it is written about the management of these US countries?

[Holoy]

And who buys their tanks?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

among the Chinese, in ASEAN, among banderlogs in Pakistan, in Turku with a scimitar (nuked T-64) it didn’t roll into Malaysia and Indochina too,

[Mentat]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Artificially inflated Greece, or some Chechnya. And Germany and so forth. South. Korea is quite a real industrial power. And can you please extract from the constitutions of these countries, where it is written about the management of these US countries?

Greece is not artificially inflated, but artfully robbed with the help of a skillfully executed scam with the participation of local corrupt officials and not without the participation of the same Germany, by the way. Read, for example, about scams with submarines and the purchase of tanks. A separate story is the fleet of Greece.

Chechnya is not, by definition, an independent economic entity. You do not like such a quick restoration of the region? The Soviet delegation at the World Exhibition was once asked why the USSR was building it so quickly and how it did it.

As for the contents of the Constitution, as a resident of Germany, as far as I understand, you should have already run to Google and look for details, but you ask me instead? Many details are publicly available, for example, about the shameful right of perusal. Others are closed, for example, on the interaction of special services. Merkel's behavior, as it were, thickly hints at even thicker circumstances. In fact, the abolition of migration legislation without any hearings and adoption of documents within Germany speaks of external control signals and a closed part of those same agreements. Which in itself (the existence of parts closed to citizens) is a shameful fact, because the Constitution is the fundamental document of the very existence of the state. Naturally, this state of affairs cannot suit the German elite, its business. Something can be changed when the dominance of the USA weakens or Germany sharply intensifies. Strengthening Germany is possible through interaction with Russia, in particular. In the line of energy, intellectual resources, fundamental science.
All recent events with refugees and sanctions are aimed at hitting Germany’s strengthening and postponing its jump from the hook.

Then someone wrote that these countries would not choose sovereignty instead of a "convenient" economic situation. This is from misunderstanding. Because even with financial t.z. this is not true. Sovereignty is VERY expensive. Geopolitical dominance is easily converted even into gold, even into currency, even into real estate.



What do you think is the source of the increase in these numbers? If this is a deficit, then at whose expense is it increasing?

[dima mzk]

6 rollers, not that coat already. let the suckers sell in a row 72nd it will break!