"These allies will sell me ..."

KP Belov. Preliminary arrest of Kolchak. 1965

According to the memoirs of Major General M.I. Zankiewicz (in November 1919 - January 1920 - Chief of Staff of the General Headquarters of the Eastern Front), said Admiral A.V. Kolchak, agreeing to go east from Nizhneudinsk in a wagon under the flags of Great Britain, France, the USA, Japan and Czechoslovakia ...

December 7 1919 of the year. Arrival in Nizhneudinsk

The drama in Nizhneudinsk was played out against the backdrop of the retreat of the troops of the Supreme Ruler of Russia (from November 18 1918) to Admiral Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak. At the same time, the Czechoslovak units were breaking through to Vladivostok in an effort to save their lives and looted property. At the beginning of 1919, the commander of the Czechoslovak Corps, Major General J. Syrovy, announced the section of the main line between the Novonikolayevsk and Irkutsk operational sections of his troops. So the Trans-Siberian Railway was actually under the control of the Allies, commanded by French General M. Janin.

27 December 1919, two trains of the Supreme Ruler (his own and a train with a gold reserve) arrived at the station Nizhneudinsk. Two days later they were detained by the Czechs. The "Nizhneudinsk seat" began, which lasted about two weeks and was described by the biographer Admiral PN. Zyryanov (based on the memoirs of General Zankevich).

“Not far from the station, the trains were stopped by a semaphore. Soon a Czech officer approached, according to the order of the headquarters of the Allied forces, the Admiral’s trains were delayed“ until further orders. ”The Major also announced his intention to disarm the Supreme Governor’s convoy. He was denied this, and he I went for new instructions. At the same time, it turned out that a new government had already been established in Nizhneudinsk.

A few hours later the major returned and briefed General MI. Zankevich, chief of Kolchak's marching headquarters, with instructions received from the allies:

The trains of the admiral and with a gold reserve are under the protection of the Allied powers.
When the situation allows, these trains will be exported under the flags of England, USA, France, Japan and Czechoslovakia.
Station Nizhneudinsk declared neutral. Czechs should guard trains with an admiral and a gold reserve and prevent the newly formed government in Nizhneudinsk from entering the station.
Admiral's convoy does not disarm.
In the event of an armed clash between the forces of the Admiral and the Lower Udinsky, disarm both sides; otherwise, give the admiral free rein.
The trains were escorted to the station and cordoned off by Czechoslovak troops. Communication with the outside world could be carried out only through their mediation "1.

One of the latest photos of the Supreme Ruler. Admiral A.V. Kolchak (left) and Rear Admiral M.I. Smirnov (center) on the way to Tobolsk. Autumn 1919

December 29 1919 of the year. Detention

Under the guise of guards from the guerrillas ’attack“ allies ”(now this word can be written that way, in quotes), they actually took the Supreme Ruler hostage. By that time, a rebellion broke out in Cheremkhovo, and behind it in Irkutsk. It was unacceptable to pass Kolchak "to the rear of the revolutionary troops that had encircled Irkutsk. It was necessary to hold diplomatic negotiations with the Czechs, threatening to destroy the road, to stop it in Nizhneudinsk," testifies the report of the authorized Cheremkha political center I.S. Alco.

About the same mentioned G.K. Hins (chief executive officer of the Supreme Governor and the Council of Ministers): "... the forces of the" Lower Udinian Republic "were so weak that one Admiral convoy could cope with the" republic "if the Czechoslovakians did not close access to the city" - a quote from the book of the historian S.P. Melgunova2.

In the echelon of Kolchak were about 500 soldiers and 60 officers of the convoy, staff and military officials. The Allied Command offered the admiral to leave Nizhneudinsk in one of the cars without convoy and accompanying persons. But it was impossible for Kolchak. Through General Zankevich, he sent a telegram to the Commissioner of Japan, Kato:

"The admiral insists on exporting the entire train, and not just one of his cars, since he cannot throw his subordinates to the mercy of the crowd. If the request cannot be fulfilled, the admiral refuses to export his car and share the fate with his subordinates, as terrible she was neither "3.

Considered and the option of care in Mongolia. Kolchak offered the soldiers of the convoy to make their own choice on their own - and most of them went over to the side of the Bolsheviks. Was such a “democracy” necessary in a dramatic situation? Contemporary historian A.S. Kruchinin explains the admiral's behavior in the following way: "... Alexander Vasilyevich was not only a military man, but also an experienced traveler, and he was well aware that every participant in such an expedition should be reliable - especially when there was a equally strong" temptation ": with difficulties, not only to turn back, but also to give out his officers to the enemy (this is how Baron Ungern would die, for example, a year and a half later) "4.

Nevertheless, the refusal of the soldiers to support him was a terrible moral blow for Kolchak.

4 January 1920 of the year. Renunciation of power

Another proposal was born - to get into Mongolia only with officers. Zankevich recalls how one of the “senior naval officers” addressed Kolchak with a proposal to leave Nizhneudinsk on the train, and to dissolve the officers: after all, no one would pursue them. "So you're leaving me," admiral snapped. "No, if you order, we will go with you." When we were alone, the admiral said bitterly: "Everyone left me." After a long silence, he added: "There is nothing to do, we must go." Then he said: "These allies will sell me." 5.

Kolchak was well aware of the fateful nature of his decision. But he understood, writes A.S. Kruchinin, and another: "The environment of the Supreme Ruler did not want any active actions at all - it wanted allies to take them out; but the allies spoke of one admiral ... and therefore everyone, for an anchor of salvation, grabs him. And the admiral, rescuing his subordinates [the author’s italics - N.K.], goes to the "Allied" carriage with a bitter premonition ... "6.

Naturally, Kolchak also rejected the proposal to be saved in one of the Czech echelons together with the adjutant - Lieutenant D.S. Trubcheninovymxnumx.

And the Irkutsk rebels increasingly insistently demanded from the Czechs the issuance of Admiral, Viktor Nikolayevich Pepeliaev (Chairman of the Council of Ministers in the Government of Kolchak) and the gold reserves, traveling with him. All this - in exchange for the possibility of the Czechs free to evacuate to the east. At the same time, negotiations were underway between the Political Center that headed the Irkutsk uprising (a coalition of Social Revolutionaries and Social Democrats with the tacit participation of the Bolsheviks), Zhanin and the Council of Ministers to hand over the last power to the Political Center.

3 January 1920, the Council of Ministers sends a telegram to Kolchak demanding the abdication and transfer of power to A.I. Denikin. The admiral had no choice but to fulfill this requirement, having issued his last decree the next day.

The commander-in-chief of the Allied forces in Siberia, General M.Janen, and the commander of the Czechoslovak Corps, Major General J. Syrovy.

Early January 1920 of the year. Betrayal

The train with the car painted with the flags of the "Allied Powers" moved to Irkutsk. General Zhanen cynically betrayed Alexander Vasilyevich, stating: "We are psychologically unable to take responsibility for the security of following the admiral ... After I offered him to transfer the gold reserve to my personal responsibility and he refused to trust me, I did not can do "xnumx. In addition to selfish interests and fear for their lives, the crime of the "allies" had one more, more important reason, which A.S. Kruchinin. "And if there was even a fraction of the danger that, stepping on the" hard land ", the Supreme Ruler would raise his voice against the iniquities created under the leadership of Syrovy and with the connivance of Janin," Admiral Kolchak "denied" and also better - would have disappeared in some "democratic" prison "8.

The Ataman of the Trans-Baikal Cossack Army G.M. tried to come to the rescue of the admiral. Semenov (with whom the admiral had a very difficult relationship). In 20 December, a group of three armored trains under the command of the captain KI left Chita. Archegov. One of the participants of the events wrote that her commander "... was verbally ordered to break into Nizhneudinsk by any means, without stopping to use weapons"10. 25 December, the detachment concentrated on the Baikal station. Here the Semenov learned about the uprising in Irkutsk. On the night of December 31, Archegov set off towards Irkutsk, two days in the city were fighting. But the Czechs forced the Russian units to stop fighting and withdraw to Baikal stations. Here 9 January 1920 was disarmed by the “allies” 11.

And it was the only attempt at real assistance to Admiral Kolchak.

The headquarters carriage of General Maurice Janin. Omsk 1918-1919

15 January 1920 of the year. Arrival in Irkutsk

Echelon High approached Irkutsk. At the Cheremkhovo station, the guard of the revolutionary workers joined the Czechs guarding the Kolchak. Kolchak's associates, who had managed to leave Irkutsk for Chita, were still trying to put pressure on the allies in order to save the admiral. Maritime Minister of the All-Russian Government, Rear Admiral M.I. Smirnov and Lieutenant-General N.A. Lokhvitsky sent telegrams to Paris to the Minister of Foreign Affairs S.D. Sazonov. In vain. The "formal number" was performed by the Japanese. "Colonel Fukuda [the commander of Japanese troops in Irkutsk - N.K.] sent Colonel Mike to the Czechoslovak General Syrova with a proposal to transfer the guard to the admiral battalion of the Japanese troops stationed at Irkutsk, but Syrovoy replied that it was too late since the admiral had already been handed over to the rebels, then Fukuda sent colonel Mike to the rebels with the same offer, but they refused to hand over the admiral to the Japanese "12.

The circle is closed. And even more so he could not break the "Protest of the former members of the Russian Government gathered in Harbin, presented to the representatives of the Allied States" 13.

In the evening of January 15 the train arrived in Irkutsk, where Kolchak, Pepeliaev, A.V. Timirev and another 113 people who remained in the train were imprisoned in the Irkutsk provincial prison. Further events are well known.

7 February 1920 of the year. Decoupling

7 February 1920 Admiral Alexander V. Kolchak and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the All-Russian Government Viktor Nikolayevich Pepeliaev were killed without a trial and sentence near the mouth of the Ushakovka River at its confluence with the Angara River.

POET VIEW

The betrayal in Nizhneudinsk and the tragedy of Kolchak was dedicated to the poem by the famous poet of the Russian Diaspora (and officer of the Kolchak army) Arseny Nesmelov (A.I. Mitropolsky). It was first published in the collection "White flotilla", published in Harbin in 1942
In Nizhneudinsk

The day flourished and was crystal,
A step creaked in the snow.
Hung over the station building
Helplessly non-russian flag.

And I remember the links of the train
Calmed down as inanimate
Standing at the blue car
Rosy Czech watch.

And it was exactly the funeral
Guard gloomy ring,
But suddenly, for a moment, in the glass mirror
Flashed a stern face.

A mouth, already without a drop of blood,
Sternly compressed mouth! ..
Eyes, broken eyebrows,
And between them is His line, -

That fold of pain, tension,
In which the fatal is ...
The hand itself came into motion
And passing, I saluted.

And this gesture in the frost fierce,
In that nacreous silence, -
My last salute was
Salute the heart and soul!

And he answered me with a slope
Your beautiful head ...
And the locomotive is a distant moan
Someone called out of the blue.

And it was bitter to me. And forge
Snow creaked in front of the car:
That with a tilted rifle
A ruddy Czech stepped over to me.

And the brakes rumbled, -
Clank approached, flew,
The Admiral's Czechs
In Irkutsk - for torture and execution.

1. Zyryanov P. Admiral Kolchak, the supreme ruler of Russia. M., 2006. C. 551 - 552.
2. Melgunov S.P. The tragedy of Admiral Kolchak. Of stories Civil war on the Volga, the Urals and Siberia. Prince the second. Part III. M., 2005. C. 432.
3. Zankevich [MI] Circumstances accompanying the issuance of Admiral Kolchak to the revolutionary government in Irkutsk // White case. Chronicle of the White struggle. Prince Ii. Berlin, 1927. C. 151.
4. Kruchinin A. Admiral Kolchak: Life, Feat, Memory. M., 2010. C. 510.
5. Zankevich [M.I.] Decree. cit. C. 152.
6. Kruchinin A. Decree op. C. 511 - 512.
7. Bogdanov K.A. Admiral Kolchak. Biographical novel-chronicle. SPb., 1993. C. 265.
8. Hins G.K. Siberia, the Allies and Kolchak. The turning point of Russian history 1918 - 1920 (Impressions and thoughts of a member of the Omsk Government). M., 2008. C. 559.
9. Kruchinin A. Decree. cit. C. 514 - 515.
10. Gordeev M.N. Attempt to save Admiral Kolchak (From a participant’s memories) // Ray of Asia. 1938. N 42. C. 41.
11. Ibid.
12. GARF. F. P-5881. Op. 1. D. 473. L. 13.
13. Ibid. L. 15-16.

Comments

[dgiguli1962]

There he is dear.

[Aleksander]

Quote: dgiguli1962

and he is dear.

the road to Aleksadr Vasilievich in immortality and glory. Bolshevism disappeared ignominiously and forever
The memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people.

[fif21]

Quote: Aleksander

road to Aleksadr Vasilyevich in immortality and to glory

?? In the Urals, this admiral is still remembered! Eyewitnesses go about how, in order to save ammunition, captured Red Army men were killed with a sledgehammer in the head. And burn him in hell! If in truth the royal ghouls were so good (as they try to present them to us), then the people would hardly support the Bolsheviks. The memory of this ..... will live in the memory of the people for a long time, but not as a great admiral, but as an enemy and a murderer.

[Mavrikiy]

fif21 today, 08:50
What a hot one! Drink some water. And if not with a sledgehammer, but with bayonets, sabers, drowned, then it is allowed, as in the Crimea, white prisoners? Or can you just shoot? Inefficiency froze.
So what about the royal ghouls out of suit, Bella Kun and Zemlyachka (how do you feel about the granddaughter) did not learn from them. About the people do not. Liberation is not a people.

[cedar]

Forgot to include in the list of Chinese, and there were 50! On the fronts of the civilian did not fight. They were used as part of special purpose units (CHON) to suppress rebellions and uprisings. They were distinguished by exceptional cruelty and a special sophistication of torture, which is not surprising, given the centuries-old practice of keeping this large people under the control of emperors, with the help of terror, special torture and executions.

[Bloodsucker]

And recall the list of ANTANTA contingent?
The Japanese, for example, were distinguished by incredible cruelty, the Americans, the Aenglish, with their concentration camp on the island of Mudyug?
Parts of the CHON from the Chinese, where do you dig up myths from, a credible source, will you bring?
Myths are composed by the master, as far as the case is concerned, and the sources are all broken and the authors in the triangle refer to each other and there are no more confirmations, and therefore, FALSE

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Myths are composed by the master, as far as the case is concerned, and the sources are all broken and the authors in the triangle refer to each other and there are no more confirmations, and therefore, FALSE

Here is the argument. Yes, all your links are exactly the same triangle, quadrangle, pentagon ... enough?
The Chinese were, were.
. “As a Cossack, he will catch a Chinese, he will certainly kill him and make fun of him,” wrote the red commander I. Yakir, one of the first to form a Chinese detachment of fifty thousand soldiers. A typical incident occurred near the Village of Lugansk: the Chinese battalion was defeated, after which two hundred prisoners, including U Er-Khu, the battalion commander, were executed. The Chinese themselves were distinguished by cruelty: for example, in the spring of 1919 in Odessa, the Chinese massacred captive volunteers.
And the internationalists were Hungarians (as much as 30-70 thousand hours), the Czechs were also. By the way, Latvia has been an independent state since 1918. Yes, this is not a task, Latvian regiments crawled across Russia before and were in no hurry to go home. Lithuanian, Estonian, Finnish .... internationalists were few, what can you say about decent people. Got independence and get home. But Latvians are interested in letting blood, do not tell anyone?

[Bloodsucker]

About 50 thousand Latvians and about 70 thousand Chinese in all of Russia, this is horror, horror, horror,

Quote: Mavrikiy

The Chinese were, were.
. "Cossack as a Chinese catch, be sure to kill yes

And with these what to do, who are so frolic by killing Russian people and robbing the country, by helping WHITE?
http://maxpark.com/community/8/content/1291762
American troops served as punishers.
Over 50 thousand Soviet citizens (more than 10% of the total controlled population) were thrown into prisons in Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Pechengi, and Yokang.
Only in the Arkhangelsk provincial prison, 8 thousand people were shot, 1020 died of hunger, cold and epidemics.
{http://www.navy.su/navybook/kozlov_shlomin/03.ht
ml ...
Kozlov I.A., Shlomin V.S. The Red Banner Northern Fleet. - Moscow: Military Publishing, 1983.}
Due to the lack of prison space, the battleship Chesma looted by the British was turned into a floating prison.
The United States transfers to Kolchak loans issued and unused by the Provisional Government in the amount of $ 262 million, as well as weapons worth $ 110 million.
In the first half of 1919, Kolchak received from the United States more than 250 thousand rifles, thousands of guns and machine guns. The Red Cross supplies 300 thousand sets of linen and other property.
On May 20, 1919, 640 wagons and 11 steam locomotives were sent to Kolchak from Vladivostok,
June 10 - 240 pairs of boots,
June 26 - 12 steam locomotives with spare parts,
July 3 - two hundred guns with shells,
July 18 - 18 steam locomotives, etc.
These are just isolated facts.
{TsGAOOR, f.200, op.3, l.9, f.143, d.71, l.64, f.187, d.23, l.68}.

[Was mammoth]

Zulus were also

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Was Mammoth

Zulus were also

What are you saying? I need to see what VIKI will say on this issue. Or you have already stamped the material and cut the dough, prankster

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Mavrikiy

What are you saying? I need to see what VIKI will say on this issue. Or you have already stamped the material and cut the dough, prankster wink

He himself saw a spear of a zulu. In the museum. I think that Kolchak personally took it from the Red Guard Zulu, but maybe from the Chinese. Do not ask for evidence, is it really necessary?
I wanted to look for evidence in the VIC about "a sexual psychopath, a sadist." Something all articles from one "nest", as a blueprint. Here, there would have to look for the author. How to drink, from the camp of "winners." And maybe even from Perm

[Bloodsucker]

Well, they have to suck out the "facts", and there are few of them in relation to the atrocities of the Whites, but what the Whites did
A.V. Peshekhonov, a former minister of the interim government, wrote abroad about white terror:

A.V. Peshekhonov. Why didn’t I emigrate? - Berlin, 1923. - S. 32
http://magazines.russ.ru/novyi_mi/2001/8/pom-pr.h
t ...
But public executions - in the order of white terror - were practiced in other places ...
And the pogroms! And the massacre in the cities recaptured from the Bolsheviks, at least, for example, in Maykop! ”
Hudleston Williamson. Farewell to Don. The civil war in Russia in the diaries of a British officer 1919-1920. - M., 2007. - S. 195
“Followed the troops to Varvarovka, which was taken by the 6th Infantry Brigade last night. Two field guns, 16 machine guns and 300 prisoners were captured in the village. The prisoners were terrified because they expected - and, as it turned out, quite rightly - that they would be shot by those who captured them.

they were taken out of the city and all shot from machine guns. So not only the Reds committed brutality. It was these battles that characterized this war. Death from a real meeting from a meeting in the midst of a battle with a bullet or shell was not such an everyday thing, but the massacre of prisoners or city dwellers, hunger and, even worse, the epidemic of typhus and cholera - these were real enemies. The impression was terrible, but the hatred generated by the Civil War excluded all mercy and, in our opinion, they didn’t ask for it, the most reasonable thing was to try not to see what was happening ”
The death toll was often in the thousands:

[Cat]

There they are expensive !!!?
Civil wars have never been simple and straightforward. It is necessary to stop dividing everything into red and white.
Just admit:
Kolchak Russian admiral - yes.
In the Urals, his white army created, terrible terror - yes.
Reds executed white officers in Crimea - yes too.
One of my great-grandfather’s brothers died in the civil war at the hands of the white whites and White Guards, the answer is yes too.
And that because of the change in the pattern at the top, I have to forget a kind of story - no.
On May 9, 2015, my subordinates and I guarded the Mikhailovskoye cemetery in Yekaterinburg from possible cases of vandalism. The cemetery houses a memorial to the White Czechs who died during the Civil War. Late in the evening we were approached by an elderly foreign woman with her grandson to help find the burial place of the Czechs. Out of idleness, I took my colleague and the watchman who escorted us to the memorial. When they approached, she laid flowers and told her grandson that her grandfather was buried here. Her grandson began giving us a lecture on the Red Terror. The guard began to snap, but then the grandmother intervened, she sharply told her grandson that his great-great-grandfather had not been invited to this land "twice." The first time with the Kaiser, and the second time with Kolchak. She took a pinch of earth from the grave and apologized to us for her grandson. After the watchman gave us all tea. We talked about history, she unexpectedly told us: "Thank you Russians for the victory and patience. God is with Russia."
Tears broke us all.
The lesson of this story is to be able to forgive and to be able to remember.

[zoolu300]

Remarkably, and in their Czech Republic they destroy monuments and cemeteries to our wars who died in the Great Patriotic War. Let us forgive them, but then do not be surprised when our feet are kicked out of us again.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: zoolu300

Remarkably, and in their Czech Republic they destroy monuments and cemeteries to our wars who died in the Great Patriotic War. Let us forgive them, but then do not be surprised when our feet are kicked out of us again.

Listen, go and turn in front of the mirror. I assure you that no one has wiped or wiped his feet about you, unless of course you yourself are lying in a puddle.
"There are no fools in the Kremlin. We will fly at night."

[zoolu300]

So our "oligarchy" in a puddle and climbs according to your own words.

[RUSS]

Quote: zoolu300

It’s wonderful, but in their Czech Republic they destroy monuments and cemeteries to our wars who perished in the Great Patriotic War

Not in the Czech Republic, but in Poland.

[Mavrikiy]

Kitty Today, 11:05 ↑

Actually + from me, but ....
There they are expensive !!!?
What did you want to say with that? Three !!!, this I understand emotions, bezopelatsionnost "and other excesses", but after that suddenly ?, reads like a doubt in the chosen line. Or Klava again, or emotions again? Understand and do not bring doubt into the slender ranks.

[fif21]

Quote: Mavrikiy

What a hot one! Drink some water. And if not with a sledgehammer, but with bayonets, sabers, drowned, then it is allowed, as in the Crimea, white prisoners? Or can you just shoot? Inefficiency froze.

I have not heard a single story that the Reds killed pigs as white (a sledgehammer in five heels) and burned Lazo in the furnace of a locomotive alive white, not Yurovsky. The remaining methods of murder were used by both. I’m talking about something else. Demolishing monuments by one and installing others, we swing the pendulum of history. Has the civil war really taught us nothing? There cannot be heroes and victors in a fratricidal war. Therefore, my opinion is that when demolishing monuments to one, you should not install monuments to others;

[Mikado]

I have not heard a single story that the Reds killed pigs as white (a sledgehammer in five heels) and burned Lazo in the furnace of a locomotive alive white, not Yurovsky.

read what was happening on the seaplane transport "Romania" and transport "Truvor", also the cruiser "Almaz". At least one officer was burned alive in a furnace.
I also recommend the materials of Denikin's "commission on the investigation of the atrocities of the Bolsheviks." They are freely available.
And about the pendulum, you are absolutely right. And that both sides were not angels. Yours faithfully,

[2-0]

"Mikado", about an officer on "Romania" ... Whose memories, write me?

[bober1982]

The main executioner during executions on the "Romania" was this girl, her name was Varvara, the surname Grebennikova (Nemich) is a sexual psychopath, a sadist.

[andrew42]

Very much like the modern "patriot of Ukraine" Savchenko is similar. The look and facial expression are exactly the same. Demons.

[bober1982]

There was such a legion, take a look at Zemlyachka (Zalkind), it will not be so at ease. It wasn’t all of Marxism-Leninism. Whom the white people did not shoot, they shot, but still studied at the seminary, although they did not finish it.
About demons was in the know.

[Bersaglieri]

Zemlyachka had a party nickname - Demon. Moreover, this was back in the days of "party youth", 20 years before the Civil War.

[Bloodsucker]

All the fuss comes from the scribble of this
http://archive.is/3vC5
This refers to the writings of some Berg, an emigrant, a result of lies.
This is his site.
http://swolkov.ru/
And finally, the best confirmation that any anti-chaining is Russophobe, here is this material - note this was published as an OPEN letter, as an assessment of the activity of this shifter
http://rosworld.ru/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=123
An ordinary changeling, conjuncture, the more they pay, the more opuses emerge from the pen of this "historian".

[Bloodsucker]

The bustle of the bakers like S. Volkova ..
The historian-white man Sergey Vladimirovich Volkov. In Soviet times - an expert on the early history of Korea, an employee of the Institute of Oriental Studies. However, during the years of “perestroika”, the Korean historian became interested in fashion for the study of officers, developed connections with Russian emigration, began to publish collections of white emigrant memoirs and was so inspired by the spirit of the Russian Communist Party that he became almost the main Russian specialist in the history of the White movement.

Apologetics of the White Guard and numerous factual errors in the works of S. Volkov are criticized by a number of historians (A. Emelin A. Emelin. About S. V. Volkov's book "Officers of the Navy and the Naval Department" // Genealogical Bulletin. Issue 24. SPb, 2006 S. 58-65., M. Igumnov M. Igumnov. Unexpected historical "discoveries." Review of the book by S. V. Volkov "Why the Russian Federation is not yet Russia" // Rodina №8, 2011., R. Abinyakin R. M . Abinyakin. Former officers - prisoners of the Oryol concentration camp. 1920-1922 // Questions of history. No. 11, 2010. S. 80-93., N. Manvelov [http://www.vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum / 0 / archive / 1786/17
86174.htm N. Manvelov. About the works of the historian Sergei Volkov.], Y. Bakhurin and others).

But, the above thesis is carefully cut out from the text of Pedivikia. Of the FOUR authors, one Abinyakin burst into the stub, and from his criticism there were literally a few words - of the most herbivorous character. Other critical objections are rejected on the most far-fetched pretexts.

A detailed guide to Volkov’s criticism is here: http://yadocent.livejournal.com/401656.html

[Aleksander]

The Bloodthirster Today, 14: 02 ↑ New


You’re a deceitful one, go and do something useful, for example, wash the porch, from the dirt you brought

Merged bloodsuckers who presented to the German occupiers in February 1917 "Latvia" and "Estonia", existing only in his strange imagination.: there is NOTHING to object.
Rude, rude, nice.

[Aleksander]

Bloodsucker:

Blah blah blah.
can't read, better keep quiet

Rude and nervous, but in vain: you just need to retype the ALIAS LITERATE sheets of any diligent but illiterate communbots to check them and learn MOST, then you won’t get into trouble.
And then you won’t write delirium that The Provisional Government recognized the Kingdom of Poland created by the Occupants, and Finland was recognized in November 1917.

And, also from the main thing: print less ALIEN article sheets (and even without the author’s instructions, and this plagiarismby the way ), but try to speak, nevertheless in your own words and thoughts, even if they

The bloodsucker .. completely coincide with the thought ...

other

Good luck!

[Bloodsucker]

Apart from you, with your rudeness and clowning, there are no one like you here.
Your knowledge on the topic-ZERO.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Your knowledge on the topic-ZERO.

Comrade Crap !! What are you doing ?!

You WHY deleted your famous comment that you posted in already in ten articles, deprived of this all readers of your valuable knowledge ?!

Indeed, for my comments to him you called me a liar ten times, zero, you sent me to clean the corn, wash the porches!
AND TIME - removed! How so? Did you really read the textbook and understand what deepest puddle you got into?

So honestly admit that you froze nonsense and apologize, at least.

If not, then I make a brief analysis of the so-called. The "facts" stated by you in it, in the context of "was / was not" and I ask all recognized signs of the VO to impartially say "yes / no". There are not seven, but 12 non-existent facts.

Tired of, you know, your endless "liar, liar, shut up, corn, etc."

In the meantime, I post it, because he is in a dozen other articles, let everyone look:
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Quote: The Bloodthirster

Who arranged the collapse of the country, the Provisional Government

Poland. 5 November 1916 year, the creation of the Kingdom of Poland, recognized by the Provisional Government 17 March 1917 year.

Finland. 2 March 1917 years - the termination of the Personal Union with the Principality of Finland. In July, 1917 of the year announced the restoration of independence of Finland. Final recognition of Finland coming out in November 1917.

Ukraine. 4 March 1917 years - the formation of the Ukrainian Central Rada, 2 July 1917 years The Provisional Government recognizes the right of Ukraine to self-determination.

Belarus July 1917 of the year, the Central Council was formed in Belarus and the Declaration of Autonomy was drawn up.

The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, completely occupied by German troops. On the territory of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia government bodies are formed.
Bashkiria (Ufa province). July 1917 of the year, the All-Bashkir Kurultai creates the Bashkir government, which is charged with formalizing the autonomy of the region.
Crimea. On 25 of March 1917, the All-Crimean Muslim Congress was convened in Simferopol, in which 1500 representatives of the Crimean population took part. The Provisional Crimean-Muslim Executive Committee was elected at the congress, which was recognized by the Provisional Government as the only plenipotentiary and legal administrative body representing all Crimean Tatars.
Tatarstan (Kazan province). The 1-th All-Russian Muslim Congress in early May 1917 in Moscow adopted a resolution on territorial autonomy and federal structure.
Kuban and the North Caucasus. May 1917 of the year. Creation of territorial self-government bodies within the framework of autonomy.
Siberia. The conference in Tomsk (August 2-9) of 1917 of the year adopted a resolution "On the autonomous structure of Siberia" within the framework of a federation with self-determination of regions and nationalities

[Cat]

But there were others who, despite deep resentment, but remained loyal to the Fatherland.
I’ll give you only one example - Rachmaninoff.

[Bloodsucker]

ONEs. Yes, they are worthy of respect. And only.

[Mikado]

we don’t talk about those who swore allegiance to Hitler - they are traitors unambiguously, and they received a fair sentence.

[Bloodsucker]

And what's the difference in this case, if they justify Mannerheim and Krasnov?
They served Hitler. Together with them tens of thousands of privates, will they justify the same?
Semenov, served the Japanese with him, thousands, will they justify the same?
They all fought against the motherland in foreign troops, killed our people, in the name of what?
In the name of what "homeland" and what kind of blood would there be in the country if this rabble, on the bayonets of others, managed to gain the upper hand?
Have you thought about it?

[Mikado]

Mannerheim cannot be justified for all those who served Hitler, the Japanese (Mannerheim generally got off cheaply, as did Finnish war criminals. The main thing is to catch the wind of change on time). I'm just saying that you should not confuse Denikin and Krasnov. In the Civil War there was everything. But if the offended went against his homeland along with the Nazis - a completely different conversation.
To your comment on the recollections of the Italian Marshal - did he talk about the quantity or quality of the atrocities? That is, about how many people were killed, or in what way?

[MrK]

Quote: Mikado

I also recommend the materials of Denikin's "commission on the investigation of the atrocities of the Bolsheviks." They are freely available.

About Denikin’s commission is better not necessary, colleague. Otherwise, Goebbels commissions will be needed further.
Denikins found 20 bodies of the executed, and screamed about thousands. Feature films were filmed about the atrocities of the Bolsheviks. And these films were then shown before the war in bourgeois Poland under the title Bloody Terror. Life drama against the backdrop of the horrors of Bolshevik domination ”(premiere of January 19 1920 of the year, at the height of the Soviet-Polish war). In Nazi Germany, this film was called “Die bolschevisten-grequel vom 21 august 1919 oder Kiews schreckenstage”. In the Soviet territories occupied by the Nazis, the film was titled: Through Blood to Revival (Kiev Intake) and Living Shooting Gallery in the Dungeons of Soviet Intermittent.
Better read about it in A. Kurlandchik's book "Damned" Soviet power ... on Proza.ru. He examined all these fakes in detail.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Mikado

I also recommend the materials of Denikin's "commission on the investigation of the atrocities of the Bolsheviks."

Materials of the "Denikin Commission"? And these facts are included there?
Mariinsky
“The informational reports of counterintelligence dispassionately recorded the terrible facts of vandalism of punishers. “In the Pose of Marianovka (Atbasar Uyezd), the uprising was finally liquidated, the gangs of red were surrounded, more than 1100 people were shot, the village was burned”
(P. A. Golub. The White Terror in Russia (1918-1920). - M., 2006. - P. 389; GA of the Russian Federation. F. 147, Op. 8, D. 34. L. 81)
Votkinsk
Private letters of the Civil War era // Unknown Russia: XX century. Part 2 / Moscow City Association of Archives. - M., 1992. - S. 235
http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/0905/6b/c8e7523a2d25.j
P...
The White Guards intimidated the population that the Reds were slaughtering everyone and everything, but it turned out the other way around: during a 2-month stay, they gouged out 2000 women and children in Votkinsk, even buried women for being the wives of Red Army soldiers. Are they not monsters, murderers. "(Vyatka province, Votkinsk, July 25, 1919)
Mariupol
William G.Ya. The conquered // Archive of the Russian Revolution. T. 7. - Berlin, 1922. - C. 208, 229
http://bibliotekar.ru/belaya-armiya/5.htm
I remember one officer from the Shkuro detachment, from the so-called “wolf hundred,” who was distinguished by monstrous ferocity, telling me the details of the victory over Makhno’s gangs that seized Mariupol, it seems, even choked when he called the number of unarmed opponents who had already been shot:
- Four thousand!..
He tried to alleviate the cruelty of the message.
- Well, they don’t sow turnips too, when you get to them ... But still ...
And he added in an undertone so that they would not notice his hesitation:
- Don’t write about four thousand ... God also knows that they will talk about us ... And without that they hang dogs for everything! ..

[Mavrikiy]

fif21 today, 11:44
I have not heard a single story that the Reds killed white pigs (a sledgehammer on the heels) and burned Lazo in the furnace of the engine live white
I also did not hear, and what does it change? I heard that the white stars on the backs of the red ones were cut out, and the red ones were white epaulettes. I understand their epaulets are small, which means it is more humane.
Look at the post above "cat", everything is clear there.
Demolishing monuments by one and installing others, we swing the pendulum of history I completely and completely agree, but ... "I am tormented by bad suspicions." Something with my memory has become ... Remind me please, when the last time the monument was demolished alone? By the way, in the complete absence of monuments to others. So it turns out that justice or balance is being restored on the territory of the Russian Federation. Or we will now begin to rename Ul. Frunze in st. Chestnut (God forbid in Noble), and Lenin Ave. in Kurinny Ave. This is where it starts. I suspect of a desire to rock the situation, alas, just for you.

[svp67]

Quote: Mavrikiy

I have not heard a single story that the Reds killed white as pigs (sledgehammer in heels)

In 1917, in Sevastopol, sailors killed naval officers with a blow with a sledgehammer ... Of course, it is not a fact that some of them were red, while others were white. but what was, it was. In the Civil War, as there are no "white and fluffy", brutality comes from both sides. It is then that the winners try not to remember their own and in every possible way to remind of the enemy.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: svp67

In the Civil War, as there are no "white and fluffy", brutality comes from both sides.

Yes, that’s true, but if we compare the loss of WHITE and the loss of RED, then the beast from the side of the White tried to get so cool how to destroy mostly Russian people. It is impossible to deny this fact.
As well as the fact that on the side of the Whites in the zones of occupation, the Angles, Franks, Japanese, and other Italians with the French, Greeks, the same did not cease, plundering the country along the way.
The rampage of banditry after the Civil one, how can you not dig up the material — former white, partly anarchists, Socialist-Revolutionaries degenerated into outright crime — you are the same as innocent people?
Remember the movie State Border?
The film is based on REALITIES, remember that officer and his mother who cursed him for choosing to serve Russia, albeit under the Red Banners.
Remember those who came from Poland, consisting of the gangs of Bulak-Balakhovich and Savinkov, killing our people, basically beaten Bely plus Socialist-Revolutionaries, crime of various kinds, is there anything to regret about them?

[svp67]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Yes, that’s true, but if we compare the loss of WHITE and the loss of RED, then the beast from the side of the White tried to get so cool how to destroy mostly Russian people. It is impossible to deny this fact.

And forgive RED whom destroyed? What nationality were officers, Cossacks? But what is there, what nationality were the inhabitants of Yaroslavl, destroyed during the suppression of the uprising by the red-Latvian arrows. What nationality were the defenders of Kronstadt? And those soldiers of the red regiments who were shot for the failure of the first assault?

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Remember the movie State Border?

I remember what? And how many films have we shot from that side?

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Remember those who came from Poland, consisting of the gangs of Bulak-Balakhovich and Savinkov, killing our people, basically beaten Bely plus Socialist-Revolutionaries, crime of various kinds, is there anything to regret about them?

You know, from our side, armed detachments also switched to that Polish side in order to raise the World Revolution. And they also killed not only police officers, but also those who supported power from ordinary people. Not only would they hide the fact of penetration, at least once they killed our border patrol. Do you think someone was punished? No, attributed to necessity. This is how to evaluate?

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: svp67

And forgive RED whom destroyed? What nationality were officers, Cossacks?

And they destroyed those who resisted the NEW government, then what can you say? Are you trying to replay the events of a hundred years ago?

Quote: svp67

I remember what? And how many films have we shot from that side?

Yes, the fact that filmed from that side-crap, such as Goebbels handicrafts. MRAK colleague gave you the answer.

Quote: svp67

You know, from our side, armed detachments also switched to that Polish side in order to raise the World Revolution.

No, I don’t know, because it wasn’t.

Quote: svp67

Not only would they hide the fact of penetration, at least once they killed our border patrol. Do you think someone was punished? No, attributed to necessity. This is how to evaluate?

The fact, the link, where, or as always at the level of OBS and PD?

[svp67]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Yes, what is shot on the wrong side, like Goebbels crafts.

Well, free will, only a one-sided perception of history has already led us to the tragedy of the 90s.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

The fact, the link, where, or as always at the level of OBS and PD?

Dig through materials about "active intelligence". Read the biographies of Kirill Orlovsky and Stanislav Vaupshasov ...
And this is so for the seed

“Moscow, the Kremlin, to Comrade Stalin.
From the Hero of the Soviet Union
lieutenant colonel of state security
Orlovsky Kirill Prokofievich.

Renovation application.

Dear Comrade Stalin!

Allow me to hold your attention for a few minutes, to express to you your thoughts, feelings and aspirations.

I was born in 1895 in the village. Myshkovichi of the Kirov region of the Mogilev region in the family of a middle peasant.

Until 1915, he worked and studied in his agriculture, in the village of Myshkovichi.

From 1915 - 1918 he served in the tsarist army as commander of a sapper platoon.

From 1918 to 1925 he worked in the rear of the German invaders, White Poles and White Lithuanians as commander of partisan detachments and sabotage groups. At the same time, he fought four months on the Western Front against the White Poles, two months against the troops of General Yudenich, and studied for eight months in Moscow at the 1st Moscow infantry training courses for command personnel.

From 1925 to 1930 he studied in Moscow at the Komvuz of the peoples of the West.

From 1930 to 1936, he worked in a special group of the NKVD of the USSR for the selection and training of sabotage and partisan personnel in case of war with the Nazi invaders in Belarus.

1936 worked on the construction of the Moscow-Volga Canal as the head of the construction site.

The whole of 1937 was on a business trip to Spain, where he fought in the rear of the Nazi troops as commander of a sabotage and partisan group.

1939 - 1940 he worked and studied at the Chkalovsky Agricultural Institute.

1941 was on a special mission in Western China, from where, at the personal request, he was recalled and sent to the rear of the German invaders as commander of an intelligence and sabotage group.

Thus, from 1918 to 1943 I was lucky to work 8 years behind enemy lines of the USSR as a commander of partisan detachments and sabotage groups, illegally cross the front line and state border more than 70 times, fulfill government missions, and kill hundreds of notorious enemies of the Soviet Union as a military and in peacetime, for which the Government of the USSR awarded me two Orders of Lenin, the Gold Star medal and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor. Member of the CPSU (b) since 1918. I have no party penalties ...

[i] [/ i]

and so...

The partisan, and in fact, sabotage, movement in Belarus began in the summer of 1921. Here is a list of operations of only two detachments: Kirill Orlovsky and Stanislav Vaupshasov, operating in the eastern part of Polesie and the southern part of Novogrudok voivodship:
- in May 1922 a police station was destroyed in the area of ​​Belovezhskaya Pushcha;
- June 11, 1922 10 partisans captured and burned the Good Tree estate of the Grudnitsky District;
- from June 15 to August 6, 1922, 9 military operations were carried out on the territory of the Grodninsky and Ilitsky Povets, during which the partisans defeated three landowner estates, burned the palace of Prince Drutsk-Lyubetskiy, blew up two steam locomotives on a narrow-gauge railway,

owned by a French company, and the railway bridge, destroyed on a large extent the railway on the line Lida - Vilno. Moreover, in one of the battles 10 Polish lancers were killed;
- On October 14, 1922, partisans burned the Strug estate of the Stolin District.
In 1923, the partisan movement intensified:
- on the night of May 19 to 20, 1923, 30 partisans defeated the police station and the commune government in Chuchevichy of the Luninets district;
- On August 27, a similar operation was carried out in the village of Telekhani of the Kossovsky district. In this case, two policemen and voig (headman) were killed;
- On August 29, 10 partisans attacked the Molodovo estate of the Drogichen County.
The list of operations of these units, carried out in 1924, is as follows:
- On February 6, 1924, a detachment of 50 partisans with two machine guns captured the Ogarevichi estate of the Krugovichsky commune;
- On May 18, 1924, 29 people defeated a police station in the town of Krivichi of the Vele County.
...
However, not all actions of the partisans can be called unmistakable and successful. Partisan detachments suffered tangible losses in early November 1924. On November 3, 35 partisans seized a train on the Brest-Baranovichi railway line. At the same time, they killed one policeman and injured two officers. In pursuit of partisans, more than a thousand people were thrown. On November 6, surrounded by partisans in battle broke through the cordon and left. However, on the night of November 12 to 13, 16 people were seized, four of them were shot, and four were sentenced to life imprisonment.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Yes, this is true, but if we compare the loss of WHITE and the loss of RED, then the beast from the side of the Bely tried to do so cool how to annihilate mostly Russian people. This fact cannot be denied. Like the fact that the White side is in the zones of occupation, the Angles, Franks, Japanese, other Italians with the French, Greeks, didn’t stare at the same time, robbing the country along the way. The rage of banditry after the Civil, as you can’t dig up the material, they were former white, partly anarchists, Socialist-Revolutionaries degenerated into outright crime, you’re the same write to the number of innocents? Remember fil State border? The film is based on REALITIES, remember that officer and his mother cursing him for choosing to serve Russia, albeit under the Red Banners. Remember those who came from Poland, consisting of the gangs of Bulak-Balakhovich and Savinkov, killing of our people, basically beaten White plus Socialist-Revolutionaries, crime of various kinds, is there anything to regret about them?

Bullshit, and rotten from old age ...

[Bloodsucker]

Well, if you have nonsense, and even from old age, then what are you doing here?
Do you have any arguments? You have none.
Do you have counterfacts?
And you don’t have that, so why are you bustling around in futile and futile attempts at dancing with a pan and a shamanic tambourine, not even trying to refute what I wrote, but simply to arrange a clowning?
All the same, I recommend that you do corn breeding using the square-nesting method, I believe that you will succeed, if not worse than all your trepidation lying here, then at least blame that there is no crop, you will only be yourself and no one else.

[Bloodsucker]

Okhti ekhti, do you associate yourself with the Whites, beautiful-hearted and intelligent?
Well, for those of you, examples from your ...
Novorossiysk
http://bibliotekar.ru/belaya-armiya/5.htm
Burachek was silent for a moment, then again began to tell.
“They drove out the Reds,” and how many of them were put then, the passion of the Lord! - and began to establish their own rules. The liberation has begun. At first the sailors were slaughtered.
Those foolishly remained: our business, they say, is on the water, we will begin to live with the Cadets ...
Well, everything is as it should, in a good way: they drove them out of the pier, forced them to dig a ditch for themselves, and then they brought them to the edge and from the revolvers one by one. And then now into the ditch.
So, do you believe how the crayfish moved in this ditch until they fell asleep. And then, in that place, the whole earth moved: therefore, they did not finish, so that others would not be discouraged.
“And everything in the back,” the crest added, with a sigh.
“They are standing, and the officer is alone, very young lad, now click from the revolver!” - he flies into the pit ...
Thousands and a half were killed ...
The eldest son smiled and looked affectionately at me.
- They also shot with explosive bullets ... Doom-doom ...
If it hits the head, the half-skull will turn off. Swings one, while others look, wait. Something separate!
“Welcome,” Burachek went on again.
- Only after this went such a stench that at least leave the city. It is known heat, fell asleep shallow. All residents had to submit a petition to allow
dig and shift to another place. And the commandant: what does he say to me, at least cook the jelly from them. Then they began to raise them from the ground and to the cemetery.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Mavrikiy

What a hot one! Drink some water. And if not with a sledgehammer, but with bayonets, sabers, drowned then it is allowed, as in the Crimea white prisoners?

White? Oh .. well, why lie.

N.V. Voronovich. Between Two Lights // Archive of the Russian Revolution. T. 7. - Berlin, 1922. - C. 96-97
http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/h/shatsky_2/Belyj-ter
r ...
“Nightmare rumors about the brutality of volunteers, about their reprisals against captured Red Army soldiers and with those residents who had at least something to do with Soviet institutions, spread in the city of Sochi and in the villages.
Members of the Sochi Food Council, who were accidentally in Novorossiysk at the time of the occupation of the city, spoke about the mass executions without any trial or investigation of many workers of the Novorossiysk cement plants and several hundred captured Red Army soldiers.
These executions were carried out day and night near the train station, in the so-called “Tsemessky swamp”, where workers and Red Army men convicted by administrative order prepared their own graves.
On the streets of the city, in broad daylight, sailors were shot or, rather, just shot, remaining in Novorossiysk after the sinking of the Black Sea squadron.
A sufficient reason for the execution was the anchor burned by gunpowder on the arm or the denunciation of some venerable layman about the sympathy of one or another person for Bolshevism.
Kerch
Shidlovsky S. N. Notes of a white officer
http://ava.telenet.dn.ua/bookshelf/Shidlovskij_S_
N ...
By evening, the city was liberated - all the surviving quarrers fled, hiding in the city. Searches, arrests and executions began, they took all the suspects, following the rule: it is better to destroy ten innocent people than to release one guilty person; at the same time, the publisher of the Menshevik newspaper "Volna" was drowned, all the while writing against volunteers.
This story went on for three days and at the same time the last exits of the Adzhimushkay quarry exploded.
During this time, up to 3000 people were killed in Kerch, most of them Jews.

[Bloodsucker]

That's right. And then the whole kolchak as there are traitors to the servant of the English crown
http://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43037031170/1.-K
olchak? page = 2

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

That's right. And then the whole kolchak as there are traitors to the servant of the English crown
http://sovsojuz.mirtesen.ru/blog/43037031170/1.-K
olchak? page = 2

Dear The Bloodthirster. Drink some water, don’t drink blood, your complexion will deteriorate.
And you have amused me, thanks dear. The Italian affairs in Russia put everything on the shelves. Well, he’s neither the ear nor the snout, well, then you’re the local one and retype the crap.
In support of my thoughts, I will cite the curious “scale of villainy” of various foreign formations that fought on the territory of Soviet Russia:
1-place - Russian Whites;
White Guards - foreigners, Italians - 6th place. But red or pure angels, or local Papuans, and therefore are not considered. By the way, the Italian general conducts social surveys during the fighting, well, smile.
Submit for objectivity pictures of the Civil War, the same abundant references to the extermination of tens of thousands of white prisoners in Crimea. (in terms of mass and speed of extermination, this act pulls by all laws on genocide)
We look forward to the Ghouls, Bella Kun and Zemlyachka, information from BLOOD.

[Rastas]

Why measure the degree of cruelty of the parties. In my opinion, the question for what the white and red fought is of much greater importance. Tell me the program of the white movement? what kind of Russia did they want to build? What political system did you want to create in Russia? How were you going to solve the land issue? What socio-economic policy did you want to pursue? Did they want to create in Russia universal free education and medicine, an opportunity for every person to have a decent job, and eliminate harsh exploitation? I do not deny their patriotism, but this is where it all ends. Because the ideologists of the white movement did not create anything interesting, worthy of attention, no clear ideas, miserable propaganda in the form of vague formulations "for a single and indivisible", a civilian leadership fleeing abroad at the slightest danger. God forbid Russia from such leaders.

[andrew42]

Well, one might think that the peasants received land from the "loyal Leninists". And the workers are factories. Until industrialization began, it’s ridiculous to talk about factories. Who got what there. And as for the land - well, yes, the peasants received the land, and nailed them with the collective farm fortress to this land. This is a fact, regardless of the harsh necessity and intraparty struggle.

[Rastas]

They got the opportunity to work on it, since private ownership of land was liquidated, it could not be sold, alienated in favor of the private owner, which, incidentally, the peasants sought. And do not talk badly about collective farms and state farms; they worked splendidly throughout the Soviet time, and today's farms are far from effective. And people were not against collective farms as such, they advocated a more even redistribution of production.

[Bloodsucker]

Guys, before you show your "knowledge" in history, you should give links to the source when citing.
This is the first, and the second, serious people do not pull out a quote from the source, but comment in the context.
You never wondered why before staging another coup (somewhere), with a pronounced anti-Russian orientation, monuments to Lenin always begin to be dumped (of course, for the purposes of anti-Soviet politics).

Or have YOU forgotten how the attempts of color revolutions began (Hungary 56, Czechoslovakia 68), and then the "color revolutions" themselves (starting with Poland and ending with Ukraine)?
So they began with the overthrow of Soviet monuments (or maybe memorial boards to Mannerheim and the like are closer to you in spirit)
Published in issue No. 41 (656), October 26, 2016
Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/33166

[Aleksander]

Quote: Rastas

. Call me a white movement program? What kind of Russia did they want to build? What political system did you want to create in Russia? created no clear ideas miserable propaganda in the form of vague formulations "for one and indivisible",

The program was very short and very simple:

Convocation of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, whose deputies should be elected by ALL citizens of Russia on the basis of universal secret suffrage. EVERYTHING!

This Parliament was supposed to solve ALL issues, both land, and the structure of the country, and legal, etc.

Any the decision of the UC was implicitly taken by the leaders of the White Movement: they themselves refused to decide anything in advance. Although ... the dictatorship of the proletariat, but - by decision of the CSS, and not a bunch of madmen.

Why are you not satisfied with such a statement of the case? Everything is fair and without slaughter.

But the Bolsheviks categorically did not like it: they knew that the election will loseAs lost the first election in the CSS. Therefore, these criminals, the usurpers of power, organized a civil massacre, trying to prevent the elections.
Therefore, there were no more elections — all the dissenters were simply destroyed by the Bolsheviks, and the elections themselves were not more than 70 years old ....

[Rastas]

And what could this Constituent Assembly decide? Who would enter it? Those who sat in the Provisional Government? Thank you, they have already demonstrated everything to everyone back in Tsarist times, being a bunch of talkers in the Duma. And at this time they would have to pacify the peasant demonstrations (the redistribution of land was already in full swing in the village, and the peasants were not going to return the land to the former owners), who would suppress Old Man Makhno? How did the US have to fight nationalism on the outskirts when they proclaimed independence? Everything would spin in the second round in the form of the Provisional Government-2. How much do you hate, Alexander, Russia, in order to wish her such a fate.

[Aleksander]

Quote: Rastas

And what could this Constituent Assembly decide? Who would enter it?

Those whom the PEOPLE have chosen. ALL could decide.
Accelerate today's Duma and - let's - decide on fists (first), then with art.

Quote: Rastas

At this time, they would have to pacify the peasant demonstrations (in the village, the redistribution of land was already in full swing, and the peasants were not going to return the land to the former owners

US managed to accept the Socialist Revolutionary Land law, and the Bolsheviks stole the decree in many ways among the Social Revolutionaries. The landowners had in 1917 and 10% of the land — who did they save ?, especially since almost all of them became state farms?

Quote: Rastas

How did the US have to fight nationalism on the outskirts when they proclaimed independence?

Proclamation independence nat. outskirts happened AFTER OCT and ACCELONANCE US-read the history of Latvia, Est, etc.

Quote: Rastas

How much do you hate, Alexander, Russia, in order to wish her such a fate.

The wonderful fate of Russia without the Bolsheviks, i.e. without 10 million civilian victims, without 14 million starvation (in no Africa!), without millions of dispossessed and deprived, without gulags and without the extinction of the Russian people by the end of their reign.

PS Someone gave you the right to determine who loves or dislikes Russia "and throw" hate "?

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, fully occupied by German troops. On the territory of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia government bodies are formed.

You are an ignorant ignoramus, (somewhere from the 1 class)who does not know not only the history of the Baltic states, but even .... history Holiday 23 February 1918 of the year when the Red Guard on the territory future (again DO NOT know that they were not then) Latvia and Estonia fought with the Germans-and you -on .... occupied a long time. But come on, so many tens of liters of vodka were drunk at the celebration, right?

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Poland. 5 November 1916 year, the creation of the Kingdom of Poland, recognized by the Provisional Government 17 March 1917 year

Delusions and liesInterim Government NEVER recognized what was created by the German occupiers in the territory they occupied by the Republic of Ingushetia. Kingdom of Poland .

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Finland. 2 March 1917 years - termination Personal union with the Principality of Finland

Delusions and lies-There was never any personal union between Russia and the Principality of Finland-give the document of the union, signed by the parties to the "union". - In the summer of 1917, there was an attempt to restore by the Sejm only INTERNAL independence in the likeness of the one that was in RI, but even for this the diet was occupied by Russian troops and overclocked
.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Tatarstan (Kazan province). The 1-th All-Russian Muslim Congress in early May 1917 in Moscow adopted a resolution on territorial autonomy and federal structure.

Second All-Russian Congress in July 1917 Mr. Already, in KAZAN (not in Moscow), delegates from many Muslim peoples of Russia unanimously The Declaration on nat.-cult. autonomy Muslims Ext. Russia and Siberia. Her tasks:public education, religious education, public charity etc.
Etc.

AND THIS --- continuously copy-paste someone else's ravings, "teaching" parallel, existing only in the inflamed comm. "brains" , "stories" .

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Aleksander

You are an ignorant ignoramus, (somewhere from the 1st grade), not only not knowing the history of the Baltic states, but even .... the history of the February 23, 1918 holiday, when the Red Guard was in the territory of the future (again DO NOT know that they were not then ) Latvia and Estonia fought with the Germans, but you have it .... it has been occupied for a long time.

Do you know history at the sewer level, which is probably why you are so squabbled with mud so loudly? Is it for you in Ukraine
http://francis-maks.livejournal.com/324658.html
This is for you in Poland
The Provisional Government and its Legal Conference were faced with gradually increasing nationalism and a desire for autonomy or full state independence on the part of representatives of several nationalities of Russia. The Polish question was one of the most acute. It is known that even on the eve of the World War, as part of the general plan of the post-war system in Europe, the Russian government had in mind the creation of a strong independent Polish state, as Russia's strategic partner in Europe. The Provisional Government in the Manifesto of March 16 (29), 1917 announced the recognition of the independence of Poland [2], making an important decision on the national question.
https://etnokonf.astrobl.ru/document/1512

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Delirium and Falsehood - The Provisional Government NEVER recognized the creation of the German occupiers in the territory they occupied by the Republic of Ingushetia. Kingdom of Poland.

Your nonsense, you think. Why would you have such sore nonsense on the basis of a complete misunderstanding of that situation and those events.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Nonsense and lies-there was never any personal union between Russia and the Principality of Finland-bring the document of union, signed by the parties to the "union". - In the summer of 1917, there was an attempt to restore the Diet only INTERNAL independence in the likeness of the one that was in the Republic of Ingushetia, but even for this the Diet was occupied by Russian troops and dispersed

Another twist of Russophobe consciousness.
In March 1809, even before the Friedrichsgam Peace Treaty was concluded with Sweden, Alexander I convened a meeting of representatives of the four estates of Finland in Borgo (Porvoo). The emperor made a solemn promise not to violate religions, indigenous laws, rights and privileges enjoyed by the subjects of the principality "according to constitutions." The "constitutions" meant the Swedish laws "Form of government" of August 21, 1772 and the "Unification and Security Act" of February 21 and April 3, 1789, which were in force in Finland before the Russian conquest. Thus, Finland retained a special set of civil, criminal and procedural, known as the General Code of the Swedish Kingdom (Sveriges Rikes Allmanna Lag). The code was adopted by the Swedish Riksdag in 1734 and approved by the manifesto of the Swedish king Frederick on January 23, 1763. Changes and additions, which were made by later Swedish legalizations, were mostly published in 1807 together with the Code itself, in the form of a collection of additional regulations, in the languages ​​of Swedish and German.
Thus, Finland integrated into the Russian Empire, taking into account its own specifics.
http://samlib.ru/a/alkar_d/finlyandiya.shtml

Quote: The Bloodthirster

And THIS is --- continuously copy-and-paste OTHER nonsense, "teaching" parallel, existing only in inflamed comm. "brains"

Your hysteria only confirms that you have nothing to object to written.
Keep on fooling around.

[Hapfri]

The collective farm is a collective farm, in general, a form of communal ownership.

Only ordinary collective farmers did not decide anything. They lowered the plan and try not to fulfill. Who opened his mouth is declared a counter and went to die to the settlement to the Arctic.

only 45 collective farms were unprofitable despite your cries of collective farm insolvency.

It depends on who considered profitability. I made a low target - here’s your profitability.
USSR bought bread in Canada - modern Russia sells wheat

[Rastas]

Learn, dear, history. peasants opposed private ownership of land in the form in which they wanted to keep it. I can even assume that the Bolsheviks would get the majority, because the leaders of the US, apart from chatter, could not decide anything, and there was no one to choose from. The 18th presidential election was generally phenomenal when they simply asked someone to vote for several. Moreover, parliament does not mean that everything will be without blood. During the time of the French Revolution, the most democratic was the Convention, which was generally elected by universal suffrage (then there was no such thing anywhere else in the world). And just at the time of the Convention came the years of terror. Eserovsky’s decree on land was developed during the years of the Provisional Government, when Chernov was the Minister of Agriculture, but only with the removal of Chernov it all ended, because he was too radical. Regarding the national suburbs: the UPR was formed in June 17th, the nationalist governments of Transcaucasia began to take power before October 17th. And yet, why did you decide that the CSS was in the interests of the people? Where did such an organ come from and who came up with it? And why not tips, for example?

[Aleksander]

Quote: Rastas

Learn, dear, history. peasants opposed private ownership of land in the form in which they wanted to keep it

Yes, nevertheless, it seemed that you had an attempt to LEARN and figure it out, but ... I was mistaken: read the Law on the land of the CSS for a start.

Quote: Rastas

The election in 18 was in general phenomenal when they simply asked someone to vote for several

The elections were in 17 year the most DEMOCRATIC elections in the world, TOTALLY supported by your Bolsheviks, their official, declared by them, the goal is the CONSTITUTIONAL ASSEMBLY, and their torn srvnarkom was TEMPORARY GOVERNMENT BEFORE Uch. Meetings - and you don’t know ....

Quote: Rastas

And yet, why did you decide that the CSS was in the interests of the people? Where did such an organ come from and who came up with it? And why not tips, for example?

the official goal of the Bolsheviks (read, finally, the first Decrees of your Soviet power!) is the Constituent Assembly, and their tattered srvnarkom was the TEMPORARY government BEFORE Uch. Assembly. When they messed around in the elections for the CSS (and this is under their machine guns!) The CSS became objectionable.

[Aleksander]

The Bloodsucker Baltic. February 1917 of the year, completely occupied by German troops. Government bodies are formed in Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia

RAVE. You are sad copywriter, FRAW articles, ignorance, and therefore for the tenth time you stubbornly print someone else's BAD, and not knowing basic things, you can’t check .

Bloodsucker Poland. 5 November 1916 year, the creation of the Kingdom of Poland, recognized by the Provisional Government 17 March 1917 year

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Nonsense. You are a dull copywriter of ALIEN articles, an ignoramus, and therefore for the tenth time you stubbornly print someone else's BAD, and without knowing basic things you can’t check

The bloodsucker Finland. 2 March 1917 years - termination of the Personal Union with the Principality

RAVE. You are a sad copywriter-ignoramus, and therefore for the tenth time you stubbornly print someone else's BAD, and without knowing basic things you can’t check

The Bloodthirster Take care of the history of Wallachia, Bessarabia

In general, study the history of Moldova, do not go into Russia, or go on to describe Antonescu's exploits with others

Take care of studying the ELEMENTARY events of the history of OUR country of Russia (from the Prut to Sakhalin) so as not to grind the BAD and not to look .. a um that you have been poked repeatedly, is it really not a shame?

[Rastas]

And yet, Alexander, do you forget or do not know how Kolchak in Omsk ordered to simply shoot the members of your so beloved US, this is not the sailor Zheleznyakov with his humane "guard is tired, please disperse." By the way, many old members of the US and DG were already abroad by that time. Nobody invited them to Russia, the population had a negative attitude about them by that time. They were politically bankrupt. Therefore, it is not clear how they were going to save Russia.

[Hapfri]

Nobody called them to Russia, the population had a negative attitude about them at that time. They were political bankrupt.

It seems that you are now writing about faithful Leninists.
That's just they had a Cheka and machine guns

[MrK]

Quote: Aleksander

Any decision of the UC was implicitly taken by the leaders of the White Movement: they themselves refused to decide anything in advance. Although ... the dictatorship of the proletariat, but - by decision of the CSS, and not a bunch of madmen.

Respected. Too shy to ask. Why Kolchak in 1919 shot a significant part of the constituent deputies.

[bober1982]

Kolchak did not tolerate the Socialist-Revolutionaries, in his opinion, they deserved it, they fell under his hot hand, and they interfered with him. They shot each other, with particular cruelty, why condemn Kolchak.
Sorry to interfere in the conversation.

[Aleksander]

Quote: mrark

Respected. Too shy to ask. And why did Kolchak in 1919 shoot a significant part of the deputies of the founding

Feel free to READ to find out.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Drink some water, don’t drink blood, your complexion will deteriorate.

Have you messed up already?

Nothing, it will deteriorate even more, the answer is higher, at the expense of your so-called "knowledge"

Quote: Mavrikiy

Submit for objectivity pictures of the Civil War, the same abundant references to the extermination of tens of thousands of white prisoners in Crimea. (in terms of mass and speed of extermination, this act pulls by all laws on genocide)

WHERE is the confirmation of your words? There were no "tens, and not those who chatter hundreds of thousands" - there were no, the execution of 12 thousand Whites implicated in the crimes, payment for the blood of the common people.
And at the expense of ghouls, this is to kolchak, Semenov ungern and other red with skin and mamantovoy.
Assessing later the results of Mamontov’s raid, Denikin wrote: “Mamontov could do incomparably more: use the exceptionally favorable environment of being in the rear of the Bolsheviks of horse mass and, preserving their corps from collapse, search not for prey but for the defeat of the enemy’s manpower, which would undoubtedly cause a new large fracture during the operation ”(White movement: beginning and end .., p. 121). And he added: “Burdened with a huge amount of acquired property (the apologists calculated the convoy carts at 60 versts), the corps could no longer develop energetic combat activity” (ibid., P. 120). Colonel V. Dobrynin, head of the operational management of the Don Army headquarters, later admitted Mamontov’s actions as erroneous. He wrote: "Unfortunately, it is necessary to acknowledge the rotation of the corps to the south as erroneous." A move to Moscow would give, in his opinion, an incomparably greater result (see: Dobrynin V. The Struggle with the Bolsheviks in the South of Russia. - Prague, 1921, p. 81).
SO who robbed this White "hero"? And I will tell someone - churches were taken out at ZERO, property of even the rich - under ZERO, property of a Jew - under ZERO. What was taken from the Reds? So all your "heroes" are essentially bandits ...
Well, for a snack, the situation at that time.
http://www.great-country.ru/content/library/knigi
/ istoricheskaja_proza ​​/ golub_pravda_i_lozh_o_raska
zachivanii_kazakov / golub_kazaki_004.php

[igordok]

Quote: Aleksander

The memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people.

While there are debates about whether or not the unrehabilitated war criminal Kolchak A.V., known under the criminal nickname "Admiral", can hang memorial plaques, left-wing activists from the RSD hung such a plaque on a house in St. Petersburg, located at Bolshaya Zelenina Street, 3. A clear plank that you need!

http://ru-polit.livejournal.com/10548533.html

[Aleksander]

Quote: igordok

left activists from RSD hanged such a tablet in time

Janitors came and cleaned the foam trash: just business.
Although to force to repair the facade, filthy with marginals, of course it would be necessary to get dirty
Rђ RІRѕS, bronze plaque in Irkutsk station. All metric points were scrupulously marked on it, when Alexander Vasilievich was here passing through or stopping - just as before with Lenin's trips.
People study genuine history of their country, not 70 -year-old lie

[Mavrikiy]

Cool monument, some complexity of composition, but not sustained ideologically. It turned out Kolchak is standing above the Civil War. But in theory, he is a victim of this war, but not her hero. He is a Hero of Russia, but not of the Civil War.
And until it is clearly divided in the minds of the people, the Civil War will blaze. Liberasty will rub their paws, and we will beat duckweed to each other.
In short, I changed my mind. Monument to remelting. Author - to shoot. Governor - to Kolyma.
"Bolshevism has vanished ingloriously and forever" - dropouts in the second year, without the right to graduate the next year. Dumbass, he's gone underground and is concentrating.
The civil war is horror and it is coming. It seems that in "The rich man, the poor man" they punched a peasant's head with a mug for praising the northerners, after 100 years. And we have 100 years on the way.
The monument should be trying on. Kolchak in the coffin, and above him are the mourning white and red.

[Bloodsucker]

Kolchak Alexander Vasilievich, the beloved “romantic hero” of the modern “intelligentsia”. Kolchak, breaking the oath of the Russian Empire, was the first in the Black Sea Fleet to swear allegiance to the Provisional Government. Upon learning of the October Revolution, he handed the British Ambassador a request for admission to the English army. After consultations with London, the ambassador handed Kolchak direction to the Mesopotamian Front. On the way there, in Singapore, he was overtaken by the telegram of the Russian envoy to China, Nikolai Kudashev, who invited him to Manchuria to form Russian military units.
So, by August 1918, the armed forces of the RSFSR were completely or almost completely opposed by foreign troops. “It would be a mistake to think that throughout this year we fought on the fronts for the cause of the Russians hostile to the Bolsheviks. On the contrary, the Russian White Guards fought for OUR business, ”Winston Churchill wrote later.
White liberators or killers and robbers? Doctor of Historical Sciences Heinrich Joffe in the journal "Science and Life" No. 12 for 2004 - and this journal has managed to be noted for its ardent anti-Sovietism in recent years - writes in an article about Denikin: "There was a real revanchist sabbath on the territories liberated from red territories. Old masters came back, tyranny, robberies, terrible Jewish pogroms reigned ... ”
About the atrocities of the troops of Kolchak are legends. The number of people killed and tortured in Kolchak dungeons did not give in to counting. Only in Yekaterinburg province, about 25 thousands of people were shot.
“In Eastern Siberia, horrible murders were committed, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as I usually thought I would not be mistaken if I say,” the American general William Sydney Grevs later admitted as an eyewitness to those events, “that for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were 100 people, killed by anti-Bolshevik elements. "
The “ideology” of whites in this matter was clearly expressed by General Kornilov: “We went to power in order to hang, but we had to hang in order to come to power” ...
The topic of the connection between the White Guards, anti-Soviet emigration and the Nazis has not been sufficiently disclosed in Russian history. But there is where to dig. The Russian "philosopher and thinker" Ivan Ilyin testifies against himself:
"Patriotism, faith in the identity of the German people and the power of German genius, a sense of honor, readiness for sacrificial service, discipline, social justice and extra-class, fraternal nationwide unity ... In a word, this spirit makes German National Socialism akin to Italian fascism. However, not only with him, and also with the spirit of the Russian white movement ... The point is, first of all, that we ourselves correctly understand, think over and feel the spirit of the National Socialist movement. Unjust slander and slander of it interferes with correct understanding, sins against the truth and harms all of humanity ... Did they not slander the white movement? Did they not accuse him of pogroms? Did they not slander Mussolini? And what, did Wrangel and Mussolini become less because of this? "
The relationship between the White Guard and fascism and Nazism noted by Ilyin should be emphasized. After all, no philosopher here pulled the language; he expressed the opinion of a person who knew both questions from the inside. But since Baron Wrangel is sincerely and voluntarily placed on a par with Mussolini and Hitler, then obviously Kolchak, Denikin, Kappel, and other White Guard chieftains cannot be excluded from this series.
In connection with my question to the fans of the beaten White Guards: why do you repeat the gossip of the German secret services that Lenin was a German spy? And is it not YOU specifically better to shut up about cooperation with German imperialism?

[avt]

Quote: Aleksander

The memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people.

Keena had seen enough of a woman's snot, a la "The Russia We Have Lost"?

Quote: fif21

In the Urals, this admiral is still remembered! Eyewitnesses go about how, in order to save ammunition, captured Red Army men were killed with a sledgehammer in the head. And burn him in hell!

Well, the first singer about that Russia - Govorukhin already told himself quite under the camera that he was ashamed of that film, called all the singers of that time as prostitutes, and when asked, “And you?” He honestly admitted that he is the same Well, you see, he was forgiven and now he is directing the staging of mass events at the VVP, starting with the campaign headquarters of the last presidential campaign, and to pay tribute - professionally and quite successfully.

[Aleksander]

Quote: avt

Keena had seen enough of a woman's snot, a la "The Russia We Have Lost"?

I’ve read a school teacher in primary school and do you think that’s enough?

[avt]

Quote: Aleksander

I’ve read a school teacher in primary school and do you think that’s enough?

Specially for young people, a la Mitrofanushka (note this was written by Fonvizin in imperial Russia) - in the elementary grades and even in school education of the Soviet times they didn’t write about the atrocities of concrete atrocities, not to mention the fact that Leninism was communicated to the University of Marxism already to receive specialized higher education in a particular specialty, optionally so to speak, well, if they were not involved in party work. And they taught themselves quite qualitatively with admission to the profile archives, and not by getting a subscription to the cinema for viewing campaigns.

[Aleksander]

Quote: avt

Specially for young people, a la Mitrofanushka (note this was written by Fonvizin in imperial Russia) - in the elementary grades and even in the school education of the Soviet era they did not write about specific atrocities

"what" atrocities of the whites "? We talked about Kolchak. In this regard, especially for undergraduates of the elementary grades (or already sclerosis?) - USSR textbooks on the history of the USSR for elementary grades : http://fremus.narod.ru/schoolbk.html There is a whole page dedicated to the "bad" Kolchak!

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Aleksander

Quote: avt

Keena had seen enough of a woman's snot, a la "The Russia We Have Lost"?

I’ve read a school teacher in primary school and do you think that’s enough?

Come on, please, textbooks. He is a literate man, only sick and very angry, to the point of disgust. And due to his deafness from pain, he does not understand that "the truth spoken spitefully is like a poisoned lie." You should have picked apples for him, or something.

[Aleksander]

Quote: Mavrikiy

He is a literate man, only sick and very angry, to the point of disgust. And due to his deafness from pain, he does not understand that "the truth spoken spitefully is like a poisoned lie."

Guilty, I didn’t know .....

Quote: Mavrikiy

Would you pick him apples there?

It is always possible ....

[Hapfri]

-Govorukhin already told himself quite under the camera that he was ashamed of that film, called all the singers of that time as prostitutes, and when asked, “And you?” He honestly admitted that he is the same prostitute

And the other day the Surgeon said something the other day about Kostya Raikin.
So what?
The workers of the pen and film cameras have always been out of their minds, and all your Eisensteins and Aleksandrovs directly served the then power for kilometers by distributing films in the style of "Soviet popular prints" to the mountain, which had neither cultural nor artistic value and naturally no connection with reality (which is such a creation as the KUBAN COSSACKS or, say, LENIN in the 18th) and instantly forgotten by the people immediately after the fall of the communist regime.

[avt]

Quote: Hupfri

And the other day the Surgeon said something the other day about Kostya Raikin.
So what?

And nothing, everything, too, according to popular wisdom - "to teach fools is only to spoil." So when Kostya Raikin is busy denouncing himself, then come on in.

Quote: Hupfri

and immediately forgotten by the people immediately with the fall of the communist regime.

If they are NOT shown, it does not mean that it is not interesting, and ... they show Soviet films regularly - see. TV program. What is it for ?

Quote: Hupfri

, and all your Eisenstein and Alexandrov

Well, WHO of your current ones, at least with an analogue, "Battleship Potemkin" not only surpassed recognition on a global scale, but just stood next to it? For 25 years, it was "freedom" from tyranny. Only gmosyatinu "Servant" recognized do not offer to a specific audience in Europe,

[Hapfri]

... show Soviet films regularly

Only nobody naturally looks at them. In prime time they are never shown

, Battleship Potemkin "not only surpassed recognition on a global scale

Are you a victim of the struggle against cosmopolitanism? Everything and everyone was invented in the USSR or, at worst, in Russia, and there are queues of bourgeois wishing to join cultural values ​​at "Bronetemkin Ponosets".
Schach. Read sovetski newspapers less especially before dinner.

[zoolu300]

Yeah, before the Soviet film adaptation of "The Quiet Don" to all other film adaptations of the "free" EEP as cancer before Mars. And "Kuban Cossacks" is a masterpiece, songs from the film are still sung while drinking.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: zoolu300

Yeah, before the Soviet film adaptation of "The Quiet Don" to all other film adaptations of the "free" EEP as cancer before Mars. And "Kuban Cossacks" is a masterpiece, songs from the film are still sung while drinking.

Yes, everything is correct both about the Don, and about the Kuban, and about the fact that liberalism is impotent by definition.
Writing only bothers me Eref and composition "" free "EEP as cancer before Mars". Here they will take the enemy, pulled out of context and remain extreme. (by the way, I hope I’m not behind Yale? Just kidding, just kidding)

[zoolu300]

Not Yale. My Motherland is the USSR, and EREF is the largest of its remnants, ruled by the "oligarchy" - the junior partners of the Fed owners.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: zoolu300

Not Yale. My Motherland is the USSR, and EREF is the largest of its remnants, ruled by the "oligarchy" - the junior partners of the Fed owners.

Don't be complex. Not "junior partners of the Fed owners" and not the rest of the USSR. We lost the battle, while the winners whipped "cocoa with tea", we pumped up 10 lives and left for the sixth dimension. Why have we flooded indestructibility? They shook off the outskirts that sucked juices like puppies' mother's milk. And I feel sorry for their stupid, who exchanged mom's milk for condensed milk, but it is high-calorie, yes, sweet, but thick ... Only the teeth will quickly pop up, but there are problems with the riser, but that is later. And the mother got stronger, put on weight, and became prey.
And write the Russian Federation correctly. "ErEf" - well, where did you get this? Exactly Yale. In the USSR, they did not write that way. Or the RSFSR, or the Russian Federation.

[zoolu300]

I write as I want. You have strange fantasies about some kind of "victories" of the "oligarchy". Are you by any chance an adherent of "Edra"?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: zoolu300

I write as I want. You have strange fantasies about some kind of "victories" of the "oligarchy". Are you by any chance an adherent of "Edra"?

1. You will find in my post the word "victory" three times, I will send a can of condensed milk.
2. You will find in my post the word "oligarchy" I will send the second one.
3. Well, if you learn to read, then the third, you will need to feed a thinner.
4. Who is the Edra sect? You agitate, advertise, and cut bobs for promotion to the market. I serve only on Saturdays and only after the bath.
PS Che is so modest: "I write as I want." Do not be shy:
Where I want there and write. What I want and write. I want to write to whom I want. What I want and write about.
So that’s how they become writers ... I’m sorry, but that’s not for me.

[Hapfri]

And "Kuban Cossacks" is a masterpiece, songs from the film are still sung while drinking.

But what about real life, excuse me, what does this have to do?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Hupfri

And "Kuban Cossacks" is a masterpiece, songs from the film are still sung while drinking.

But what about real life, excuse me, what does this have to do?

You do not sing on booze? Excuse me, and you have a real life? Do not tell my slippers.

[Uncle Murzik]

Aleksander Well, you Moldovans know better for the Russian people!

[Hapfri]

It is better to have such Moldovans as Aleksander than such types of Russians as Murzik

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrid, you do not care for the Russian people, but for their liberal anti-communist views ! only one of your posts "I hope the traitors got what they got, served in the camps as long as they should, and if they survived, they ended their days in the collective farm pigsty"! this is you about those soldiers who refused to defend the western puppet of Kolchak, so only moral ones can write about their compatriots ...! you reminded me of another liberal Solzhenitsyn who called on the US to bomb the USSR with nuclear weapons

[Aleksander]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Aleksander Well, you Moldovans know better for the Russian people!

For Murzilok: there has never been any Moldova in Russia: it was Bessarabian province.
where citizens of the Republic of Ingushetia lived, regardless of nationality.

Moldavia that never existed before, like the so-called "Ukraine" was artificially created by the killers of Russia - the Bolshevik criminals (and no one even asked them!), who cut it into dozens of pieces.

Flag change, alas, is not allowed ....

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Aleksander

Moldavia that never existed before, like the so-called "Ukraine" the killers of Russia were artificially created by Bolshevik criminals (and no one even asked for them!), cutting it into dozens of flaps.

"Said it suddenly and bluntly!" Well yes! There were two "nationalities" in tsarist Russia - Orthodox and foreigners. "Bolshevik criminals" came and "painted" Moldovans and Ukrainians, Tatars and Bashkirs, Kazakhs and Uzbeks, ..., and so more than two hundred nationalities, in short, "laid a mine under the USSR."
It's true!

Quote: bober1982

... sex psychopath, sadist.

Quote: bober1982

There were such a legion on Zemlyachka (Zalkind)

If only the plate was changed. perverts, slanderers.

Try to compose so for interest, a "portrait" of your idol from the comments. The most crystalline man, patriot, admiral, geographer and traitor, "servant of four masters", executioner, voluptuous, ....
PS For an hour, the article does not come from Perm, from under the wing of one "historian."

[Aleksander]

Quote: There was a mammoth

"Bolshevik criminals" came and "painted" Moldovans and Ukrainians, Tatars and Bashkirs, Kazakhs and Uzbeks, ..., and so more than two hundred nationalities, in short, "laid a mine under the USSR."

Bolshevik criminals WITHOUT quotes, yes. The MSSR created the Supreme Council of the USSR, which NOBODY NEVER requested from the Bessarabians.
Bessarabia was forcibly, without asking anyone, arbitrarily cut by the borders between never existed "urina" and "moldavia" - the Bolsheviks practiced, embodying their delusional theories - even small communities of Bulgarians and Gagauz were cut into pieces. And the wonderful multinational Russian-speaking Bessarabia was deprived of its glorious Borodino, Maloyaroslavets, Tarutino, Berezino and turned into a mono-national "country"

Quote: There was a mammoth

Try to compose so for interest, a "portrait" of your idol from the comments

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Aleksander Well, you Moldovans know better for the Russian people!

Yes, to be honest, I would ochchchchen many "Russians" pushed aside from solving the problems of the Russian people. By the way, kiss the iPhone, it seems that his registration is all right.

[Uncle Murzik]

Mavrikiy, well, you can register your Moldovan friend Aleksander and kiss him for sweetness! Maybe you can make repairs!

[Bloodsucker]

The foolish leader Alexander, in order not to look completely illiterate, scribbles denunciations, removes comments in which all his trepidation is shown as it is-ZERO in knowledge.
And now we are watching how people like him tell us the horrors of the Gulag and repressions.
Newspapers enthusiastically quoted the organizers, who noted: "the horror of the monstrous political reprisals did not pass over many families." The publications were accompanied by photographs of demonstratively sad activists with black and white posters in their hands. On each poster was written the name and surname of the next "victim of the bloody regime." St. Petersburg dusk emphasized the tragedy of the moment ...
According to the activist in the hood, Ivanchenko Nikolay Nikolaevich is a scientist engineer and professor, who was shot on October 2, 1937.
Wikipedia has a different opinion. Ivanchenko Nikolai Nikolaevich really was a professor. True, he became them 30 years after the purges - in 1966. And Ivanchenko taught until 1986. How he managed to make such a dizzying career after his execution, it is worth asking the organizers of the Immortal Gulag .https: //cont.ws/post/416734
And so in everything that these liberal liars, that this one in this article, not having the courage to admit that he is lying, uses the usual work of them-denunciations to write, lie and clown, to arrange that these fire victims from the Memorial and similar structures lie unnoticed, how shameful it is.

[parusnik]

Bolshevism disappeared ignominiously and forever

.... Consequently, my relatives who died during the Great Patriotic War, as communists did not earn any glory ...? As current Ukrainian historians write .. Stalin asked S. Bandera for troops and he gave him the Ukrainian fronts ... Chkalov, Karbyshev, Gagarin also urge you not to be proud ..? My great-grandfather, paternal grandfather from the village of Sedelnikovo, Sedelnikovsky district, Omsk region ... when the Civil War began, the Sedelnikovsky district immediately became the center of the partisan movement that fought against Kolchak. The commander of the militia was chairman Izbyshev A.I. Now in Sedelnikovo on the central square you can see a monument in honor of Izbyshev, also one of the streets of the village bears his name. Here are monuments of history, architecture, archeology and monumental art of the district
- mass grave of 16 partisans and the commander of the partisan detachment A. I. Izbyshev, who died in battle with the White Guards, the village of Sedelnikovo
- an obelisk to fellow soldiers who died during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945, was installed in 1966, the village of Sedelnikovo
- a monument to the partisans who died during the Civil War, was installed in 1968, the village of Sedelnikovo
- the house in which the volost executive committee of the council of peasant deputies was located, ul. Izbysheva house of pioneers Sedelnikovo village
- the house where A.I. Izbyshev lived, the organizer of the partisan movement in the north of the Omsk region, ul. Izbysheva 57 village Sedelnikovo
- a bust of Hero of the Soviet Union M.V. Kropotov, installed in 1966, ul. Soviet 1 school number 1 village Sedelnikovo
- a bust of A.I. Izbyshev, installed in 1961, the village of Sedelnikovo
- bust of the commissar of the Red Guards partisan detachment G. F. Zakharenko, installed in 1961, the village of Sedelnikovo
- "partisan huts" - the location of the Red Guard partisan detachment, 10 km south of the former village of Dmitrovka
- the battlefield of the Red Guards partisans with the White Guards, the village of Verkhnyaya Baklyanka
- mass grave of the Red Guards partisans who died in the summer and autumn of 1919 in battles with Kolchakites in the center of the village, the village of Keyesess
- the place of execution of the Red Guards partisans by Kolchakites, ul. Kirova village of Keysess
- mass grave of the Red Guards partisans who died in battles with the White Guards and shot them, the village of Brick
- an obelisk to the Red Guards partisans who died during the Civil War, was installed in 1967, the village of Brick
- mass grave of partisans who died in battles with the White Guards, Alekseevka village
- the grave of Zakharenko G.F., commissar of the Red Guard partisan detachment, Rogozino village
- the place of execution of the Red Guard partisans by Kolchakites, 1,5 km from the village of Rogozino towards the village of Alekseevka
- the obelisk of the Red Guards partisans who died during the Civil War, was installed in 1967, the village of Elnichnoe
- the obelisk of the Red Guards partisans who died in the civil war was installed in 1938, the village of Unara
- a mass grave in which 75 Red Guard partisans who died in battles near Unars in June 1919 are buried, was installed in 1938, the cemetery of the village of Unara
- the battlefield of the Red Guards partisans with the White Guards at the bridge over the Uy River in 1918-1919, the village of Unara
- the battlefield of the Red Guards partisans of the detachment of A. I. Izbyshev with the White Guards at the bridge over the Uy River on July 27, 1919, the village of Unara .. Yes, the memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people, in the Sedelnikovsky district ....

[Aleksander]

Quote: parusnik

Consequently, my relatives who died during the Great Patriotic War, as communists did not earn any glory ...?

What kind of twisted logic? But non-communists who died for their homeland, didn’t they earn the same fame as the communists? All of them (both communists and non-communists) were citizens and patriots of their country. And among the non-communists there were Socialist-Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and other citizens.

Quote: parusnik

the battlefield of the Red Guards partisans of the detachment of A. I. Izbyshev and the White Guards at the bridge over the Uy River on July 27 of 1919, the village of Unara .. Yes, the memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people, in the Sedelnikovsky district ....

In a civil slaughter took part 5% the country's population, participated in the elections of the All-Russian Constituent Assembly 50% of the population.
Admiral Kolchak defended the legitimate rights of Russian citizens, violated by usurpers of power by the Bolshevik putschists. His goal was the Constituent Assembly and submission to his decisions.

The deputies of the Uch. Assembly were Dutov, Kaledin, Petliura, Kerensky, Lenin and Spiridonova — why not there, at meetings, by consensus, decide the fate of the country, and not in the wild massacre? The Bolsheviks who lost the elections — the overwhelming minority — dispersed the Assembly, forcibly imposing their atrocious power on the others, which unleashed a civil war.

For the death of the Red Guards, as well as the whites, the Bolshevik criminals are RESPONSIBLE

[Hapfri]

and in August 1917 secretly fled to England.

Not secretly escaped, as Uchpedgiz writes, went on an official business trip.
And he could have stayed there, but returned to save the Motherland when the Bolsheviks delivered a treacherous blow to her back

Swear allegiance to the Provisional Government, get a promotion from him and betray him too!

What a love for Kerensky! It was at a time when the country was bleeding in the fight against the German invasion and the Bolsheviks staged riots in St. Petersburg

Kolchak was recruited by British intelligence when he was still a captain of the 1st rank and commander of a mine division in the Baltic Fleet.

Enchanting nonsense.
Though you read that copy-paste. A naval officer of the Russian fleet is recruited by Allied intelligence. For what purpose? Allies could receive the necessary information through official channels.

[Bloodsucker]

Come on, waggle his tongue and vainly clave Klava-Kolchak-betrayed the oath to the Emperor, the oath of the Provisional, signed a paper on the division of the country into 4 zones of occupation, so that the image of this traitor as not varnish-traitor, the killer was, is and will remain.

[Hapfri]

signed a paper on the division of the country into 4 zones of occupation

4 occupation zones in Germany were in the 45th
Kolchak certainly has nothing to do with this

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Hupfri

4 occupation zones in Germany were in the 45th
Kolchak certainly has nothing to do with this

Have you shown your absolute illiteracy?
Kolchak signed a document on the division of Russia.
So liar, shut up, you look very, very pale.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Kolchak was recruited by British intelligence when he was still .... etc.

Arrogant again copy-paste sheet ALIEN opinions, ALIEN articles without one word -Shameless violation of the Site Rules, also without reference to the source.
The commentary serves, (according to the Rules) to express HIS opinion, and not "his", to a single comma coincides with a stranger

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Aleksander

Again, a blatant copy-paste sheet of ANOTHER opinions, ALIEN articles without YOUR OWN word, a shameless violation of the Site Rules, also without a link to the source.

You simply have nothing to answer, but lie to yours. false, a counterargument will be presented, to which you, besides such a miserable reaction, have no words.
Copypast? What is the basis of this statement? On your inability to refute?
In general, study the history of Moldova, which, as it turns out, you do not know at all, at the same time study the dubious "exploits" of Antonescu and his fellow tribesmen, about which you have already been told more than once.
REFUT, but you can’t, then compete in the bulk of FALSE with your assistant Humphrey, you are so coolly praising each other, without using any interest and support from the majority of those reading the material.

Quote: Aleksander

The commentary serves, (according to the Rules) to express his opinion, and not "his", to a single comma coincides with someone else's

A comment serves as a STATEMENT of one’s opinion, and if the OPINION of a SCIENTIST coincides with mine completely, then why do you have such a reaction as not that, unlike your writings, my comment is TRUE, but you have a solid FALSE.
So there is nothing to do with the RULES, rather, you need to apply the RULES for an endless flood, with an attempt, A) to hurt your opponent, B) provoke Ban., And this only indicates your complete inability to challenge the above.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Copypast? What is the basis of this statement?

Quote: The Bloodthirster

In general, study the history of Moldova, which, as it turns out, you do not know at all, at the same time study the dubious "exploits" of Antonescu and his fellow tribesmen, about which you have already been told more than once.

Learn the history of RUSSIA, which you do not know and get all the time in a hurry.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

REFUT, but you can’t,

Opprverg, but you and the wasps .... um, stubbornly posting RIDDEN TEN times about the completely occupied Baltic region in February 1917 and the mythical "bodies there", proving another nonsense about "the independence of Latvia, Estonia, which (your other ignorance), then NOT was in general. Three nonsense in one statement

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Commentary serves as a statement of your opinion, and if the opinion of the scientist coincides with mine completely

That's exactly YOUR opinion, not ALIEN, expressed by copy-paste sheets of ALIEN articles

Quote: The Bloodthirster

in my comment, the TRUTH, and you have a solid FALSE

in my comment, TRUTH, expressed by YOUR words, and you have a solid FALSE, and even ripped off from others

Quote: The Bloodthirster

RULES, rather, you need to apply the RULES for an endless flood, with an attempt, A) to hurt your opponent, B) provoke Ban., And this only indicates your complete inability to challenge the above

Alas, the Rules do not apply to you, endless rudeness (go pick up corn, shut up, go antonescu, etc.) -Do not notice the endless flood (not related to the sheet sheet), copying other people's articles without indicating the author and without a single word- also. And you are trying to provoke endless rudeness to the same answer, but here is an Indian house to you,

Quote: The Bloodthirster

about your complete inability to challenge what has been said.

Repeat 11 times about the fully occupied Baltic in February 1917g-na BIS!

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Ignorant, read and shut up

Isn’t it really embarrassing, huh?
You are caught dead to rights at sheer ignorance, and you don’t know elementary things, stating:

The Bloodsucker Baltic. February 1917 of the year, fully occupied by German troops. In the territory Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are formed government bodies Management

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THREE Ignorance in ..... ONE sentence, but, as with goose water, the bloodsucker does not recognize!
Funny......

[Bloodsucker]

I caught you red-handed on ignorance of the issue, I’ve only caught it here three times, so that I’m lying on the trash, go and do something useful, for example, wash the porch from the dirt you brought.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster
Poland. 5 November 1916 year, creation Kingdom of Poland, recognized by the Provisional Government 17 March 1917 year...

Ignorance. But what was stated in the aforementioned Provisional Government Appeals 17 March 1917 years on created by the invaders "Kingdom of Poland":

The old government gave you hypocritical promises that it could, but did not want to fulfill. The middle powers took advantage of her mistakes to occupy and devastate your land. Solely in order to fight Russia and its allies, they gave you ghostly state rights and not only for the whole Polish people, but only for one part of Poland, temporarily occupied by enemies. At this price, they wanted to buy the blood of a people who had never fought to maintain despotism. And now the Polish army will not fight for the oppression of freedom, for the separation of their homeland, under the command of his centuries-old enemy.

WHERE is the recognition of the "Polish kingdom" created by the occupiers? Here it is-conviction. NEVER VP recognized him
It is necessary to check the copy paste of the combots (though for this you yourself need to know, but this is unlikely )

Quote: The Bloodthirster
Finland. 2 March 1917 years - termination of the Personal Union with the Principality of Finland

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Let's start with educational program: personal union - the union of two or more independent states into an alliance with one head, who thus becomes the head of each member state of the union. THERE WAS NO independent "state" Finland. According to the Treaty of Friedrichsgam:

Art. IV. His Majesty the King of Sweden, both for himself and for the successors of his throne and the Kingdom of Sweden, refuses irrevocably and permanently in favor of His Majesty the All-Russian Emperor and the successors of His throne and Russian Empire, from all their rights and the claims in the province below are indicated, conquered by His Imperial Majesty in the current war from the Swedish Power

Transferred 6 Swedish PROVINCES, but NO "state" ,. But the Principality of Finland Alexander and created himself and endowed him with whatever he wanted in 1808-09. He finished the creation of the principality, by the way, only two years later, in 1811, annexing the usual Russian province with Vyborg. Representatives of all classes and signed him an oath twice, but not the "state". Did not have no union between states, as there is no document on this.

[/ quote] [quote] In July 1917, it was announced about the restoration of independence of Finland

. restoration law autonomous (even only autonomous!) rights of Finland, adopted by the Diet 18 July 1917, was rejected by the Provisional Government, the diet was dissolved, and its building was occupied by Russian troops

Final recognition of Finland coming out in November 1917

Nobody recognized anything in November. Criminal Lenind admitted in December, after the October coup

[Bloodsucker]

Blah blah blah.
They answered you, you read, but don’t know how to pretend to be what you are not, better not to be silent, to make comments of the same type, a sign of flooding, are attempts to insult me ​​in some way, only your recognition of your complete failure as an opponent.

[Bloodsucker]

Kolchak - a traitor and a traitor, a double agent - says Colonel E.M. House
Interesting facts are reported by A. Kolchak himself in letters to A. Timireva:
"December 30, 1917. I am accepted to the service of His Majesty the King of England"

"Singapore, March 16th. (1918) Met by order of the English government to return immediately to China to work in Manchuria and Siberia. It found that it was preferable to Mesopotamia to use me there in the forms of allies and Russia. ”
http://alexandr-palkin.livejournal.com/4552618.ht
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Go ahead and lie to Mr. Alexander, try again to write a clause to delete comments in which your writings are refuted, and you look very, very pale.

[Hapfri]

In general, deal with the history of Moldova, which

But what about proletarian internationalism? Do you respect Lenin?

[Bloodsucker]

Poke, you will be in a cucumber, the only thing you have in mind and abilities.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Aleksander

But non-communists who died for their homeland, didn’t they earn the same fame as the communists? All of them (both communists and non-communists) were citizens and patriots of their country.
For the death of the Red Guards, as well as the whites, the Bolshevik criminals are RESPONSIBLE

No. Or cowards, or a cross. Or general reconciliation and amnesty, or prove your very dubious truth to the grave. And through people like you, Russia will still be washed with blood. And then don't scream: "I didn't know. After all, I told the truth, and everyone has bananas in their ears."
Are you dumb? Around you, too, they tell the truth, and you have bananas. Maybe the truth is one, but nobody knows her. And you may be farthest from her.

[Aleksander]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Not. Or cowards, or a cross

What no? Can't go above the cowards?

Quote: Mavrikiy

Either universal reconciliation and amnesty, or prove your very dubious truth

No, really. The murder of just a person has no statute of limitations, and even the murder of the country, all the more. The Russian people, one of the fastest growing in the world, inherited by the Bolsheviks in 1917, by the end of their miserable reign already dying out. Nobody is responsible for this?

Quote: Mavrikiy

And through people like you, Russia will still be washed with blood

With a fright? Who wins the election and should rule the country, even if it’s a comedian, although it would be disgusting, but what to do? Although given their fall more than twice in three years, this does not threaten

Quote: Mavrikiy

And then don't scream: "I didn't know. After all, I told the truth, and everyone has bananas in their ears."

Yes, you yourself yelling, how ...- Can't you see? So listen!

Quote: Mavrikiy

Are you dumb?

Judging by your manner of communication, not me.

Quote: Mavrikiy

Around you, too, they tell the truth, and you have bananas. Maybe the truth is one, but nobody knows her.

Bullshit. In my truth, the whole world lived and lives (not at all perfect, of course) -built, taught, flew into space and created an unattainable social network and atom, with errors, quacks and other things. But, mind you, WITHOUT tens of millions destroyed OUR citizens. Yes, and led to WWII, in many ways, the Bolshevik Brest shame

Quote: Mavrikiy

And you may be farthest from her.

You are just further away from her, between two "truths", you hang out like ... um ...

[Bloodsucker]

Raving?
Especially-

Quote: Aleksander

In my truth, the whole world lived and lives (not at all perfect, of course) -built, taught, flew into space and created an unattainable social network and atom, with errors, quacks and other things. But, mind you, WITHOUT tens of millions destroyed OUR citizens. Yes, and led to WWII, in many ways, the Bolshevik Brest shame

An idle chatter that, with minimal consideration, is called delirium of the inflamed imagination and the Oedipus complex.
Cosmos and Atom, the UNION created on the basis of its own forces, flew to COSMOS first, the Atomic program, which the West took the Union to at least 20 years to obtain any results, was decided in two years.
Socialism, There was no better than what was created in the Union, all that the West boasted so about when creating a window display in Western Europe is depreciated by the backyards of the West, where poverty and the absence of any social sphere takes place at the level of the Middle Ages.
Tens of millions of KILLED 1 world war, Munich conspiracy and the Second WORLD, unleashed at the instigation of the Anglo-Saxons, the fact is indisputable. Vietnam and Korea, Libya and Iraq, Syria and Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and Yemen, Chad and Nigeria, blood, destruction, death is the price of your peace.
The impoverishment of the population in Romania and Bulgaria, the outflow of the population from the Baltic states, the Nazi rebellion in Ukraine, this is the price of your peace and your LIE on this resource.
Mr. lie, all your myths in Russia are already causing rejection, perhaps in Moldova, as they are in Ukraine, but for the most part we have already been ill with all this black liberal consumption of you.
Continue racing in the pan and on, in the Ruin we have already jumped ...

Quote: Aleksander

You are just further away from her, between two "truths", you hang out like ... um ...

This is exclusively your role here, now and in general on this resource.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Raving?

If my opinion is interesting, then YES, just what are you about yourself in the plural? "We bloodsuckers .....

Quote: The Bloodthirster

we are already ill

This has long been understood without recognition (again, "we" ), but the consequences of this unpleasant moment greatly affected your comments ....

[Bloodsucker]

Aleksander + Hapfrey = rave both.
Second, in the vanity of your futility, you write slanderous words, well, he’s understandable, you have zero questions in your knowledge, there are no references to anything, myths, tales and gossip, long beaten, attempts to irritate your opponent, just Your explicit demonstration of your impoverished intellect.
Third, your races in this material or another on similar topics resemble races on the Maidan, there are exactly the same in pots, they rode, shouted, howled, then the monuments were demolished, so here is Russia, not Maidan, the maydaunas in Russia are superfluous, take care of landing in the square-nested way in Moldova, arrange dances of the Maydan ignoramuses there.
Your entire activity here falls clearly under the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Arousal of hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity
Source: http://ppt.ru/kodeks.phtml?kodeks=20&paper=282

(as amended by Federal Law of June 28.06.2014, 179 N 06.07.2016-ФЗ) are punishable by a fine in the amount of three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of two to three years, or by forced labor for a term of one to years to four years with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years, or imprisonment for a term of two to five years. (as amended by Federal Law of 375 N 2-ФЗ) 06.07.2016. The same acts committed: a) with the use of violence or with the threat of its use; b) a person using his official position; c) by an organized group, - shall be punished by a fine in the amount of three hundred thousand to six hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of two to three years, or by forced labor for a term of two to five years with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years, or imprisonment for a term of three to six years. (as amended by the Federal Law of 375 N XNUMX-ФЗ)
Source: http://ppt.ru/kodeks.phtml?kodeks=20&paper=282
That’s for sure, the realization of your efforts.

[Uncle Murzik]

Rosstat data:
The average monthly salary in the RSFSR was: 1980 in 174 rubles, 1981 in 178,3 rubles, 1982 in 184 rubles, 1983 in 188,3 rubles, in 1984 193,2 rubles, in 1985 199,2 rubles, in 1986 206,1 ruble, in 1987 214,4 ruble, in 1988 233,2 ruble, in 1989 263 ruble, in 1990, 303 ruble.

[Hapfri]

Socialism, There was no better than what was created in the Union, all that the West boasted so about when creating a window display in Western Europe is depreciated by the backyards of the West, where poverty and the absence of any social sphere takes place at the level of the Middle Ages.

Yah! Munchausen is resting. This is 120 r per month of pension is the best that is created in the world? And how many toilers went to rest abroad. Probably only in the film Diamond Hand, was this, Simon Semenych. For example, foreign pensioners crawling around the Kremlin I saw personally.

[MrK]

Quote: Hupfri

And how many toilers went to rest abroad.

My niece during the Soviet era traveled 4 times. Normal work.
And the pension is 120 p. This is good when a communal apartment 5 rubles. Yesterday, the official figures for Russia were announced on TV in the program: 30 million of the poor, who don’t have enough for food. Of these, 5 million beggars. These are the ones who are starving. The heirs of Kolchak did a nice job.

[Hapfri]

My niece traveled 4 times during the Soviet era

Congratulations to your niece, this is a record.
Let me guess. The regional committee? Gorkom? Where did she get rations? In the sense of a grocery set

And the pension is 120 p. It’s good when a communal apartment is 5 rubles

But it’s bad when the color telly 700. Even worse when the Lada 6000.
This is if by appointment. And if out of turn, then 10 pieces of wooden
And if I do not want a Lada, but I want Ford, then how? But no way. Figures. Eat what they give.

of which 5 million are poor. These are the ones who are starving.

And how many homeless people? You did not count homeless people. How many beggars? Add trinkets here and gypsies with harmonica. And there will be even more. Beggars are everywhere. Lifestyle. Loafers

In the USSR there were no fewer beggars, just writing about it was forbidden. Who wrote, he sat.
But 5-6 million people annually go to the south. Cyprus, Turkey, Spain. On a white sand. These are not the described beaches of Novorossiysk.

[Uncle Murzik]

Humphrey yeah 30 million poor are lazy and beggars, isn't it a lot for 140 million! "But we travel 5-6 million annually to the south. Cyprus, Turkey, Spain. On the white sand" as you wrote! This is how these 30 million should live from hand to mouth for the sake of these five million! and you consider yourself a man?

[Uncle Murzik]

Rosstat data:
The average monthly salary in the RSFSR was: 1980 in 174 rubles, 1981 in 178,3 rubles, 1982 in 184 rubles, 1983 in 188,3 rubles, in 1984 193,2 rubles, in 1985 199,2 rubles, in 1986 206,1 ruble, in 1987 214,4 ruble, in 1988 233,2 ruble, in 1989 263 ruble, in 1990, 303 ruble.

[Hapfri]

Yes, the memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people, in the Sedelnikovsky district ....

Despite all efforts to forget the Admiral.
By the way a good little list. A magnificent example of Bolshevik agitation.
The people do not care about them, but the pioneers on holidays drove them. The pioneers spat and counted the raven, and the bald, courteous uncle from the district committee that there muttered a piece of paper about the great Lenin. Then, sitting in a member of the cart, he was leaving for lunch at the Obkomovsk canteen with caviar and cognac, and the pioneers, swearing, wandered around their homes on broken roads. That's the whole memory of the heroes of the revolution

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey, you aren’t even smart enough to see how many advantages they put to you. , here is a specific attitude towards people like you and people like Kolchak, you are always in a clear minority, and if you remove the Moldovan and other foreigners who sing along to you!

[Hapfri]

see how many advantages they put to you

Who are the judges? Such as you, the former party organizers and sharks of the local committees who lost their rations and past influence. .... so it’s not scary. I'm not for the pros.
I'm for the truth

[Uncle Murzik]

Aleksander Well, yes you are the same truth-seeker as Goebbels!

[Rastas]

Oops. Alexander, as a true liberal, proclaimed "the end of history". Do not be afraid, in the Middle Ages, feudalism also seemed unshakable, and capitalism, after the defeat of the Italian republics, seemed to be destroyed. Therefore, do not bury socialism, especially since you have no idea about it.

[RUSS]

Quote: Aleksander

the road to Aleksadr Vasilievich in immortality and glory. Bolshevism disappeared ignominiously and forever

There is a monument to Admiral Kolchak in Irkutsk (pictured), I hope and will open it soon in Omsk, as well as Wrangel in the Crimea!

[Ham]

nothing ... prank a little squirrel ... our great-great-grandfathers swept your monarchist trash out of the country and we will finish their work if necessary
so that there would be no more bloody murderers like Kolchaks and other "atamans" and "rulers" eating from western feeding troughs on the neck of our people

[Basil50]

A lot lately appears about * nobility * * knights of the white movement *. And they don’t lie about * chivalry *. These were exactly the knights who were proud and with impunity for their own deeds, the foundation * of the culture * of Europeans. And betrayal is quite in the spirit of all these * monsieur * and * gentlemen *, the most important thing is to be saved. Here is the fact that the representatives of RUSSIA in the white movement were quite a match for import owners trying to * omit *, as something insignificant, raises questions.

[baudolino]

Any revolution is a "scolding of suckers" by a handful of activists. That in Paris, that in St. Petersburg in the 17th, in Kiev in the 14th. And it's amazing that fuckers in a hundred years continue to believe in the "ideals of the revolution."

[Colonel]

Quote: baudolino

fuckers in a hundred years continue to believe in the "ideals of the revolution"

And they continue to repeat the horror stories and absurdities of the sponsors of these revolutions. Much more can be said about the "adherence to principles and lack of behavior" of commissars "in dusty helmets". A.V. Kolchak - our history, normal people study history, and debies ..... abnormal spit on.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: colonel

A.V. Kolchak is our History, normal people study history, and deby ..... abnormal spit.

Kolchak is YOUR story, the story of betrayal and sale of the country, and therefore, one who does not understand this, takes himself out of the circle of NORMAL people into what he is trying to hang on others.

Quote: colonel

And they continue to repeat the horror stories and absurdities of the sponsors of these revolutions. Much more can be said about the "adherence to principles and non-compliance" of the commissars "in dusty helmets".

You can’t tell anything, except for LIES, but the realities are different.
I called on the Cossacks, Krasnov showed in court, to an organized struggle against the Bolsheviks, stating that Don could have no choice but to rally with all the counter-revolutionary forces and wage a decisive struggle against the Soviet regime. Even then, I asked the “Circle” the question of the dismemberment of Soviet Russia and the creation of an independent state on the Don, which later became known as the “Great Don Army”, with old laws and structures.
Immediately after coming to power, Krasnov hastened to establish the most friendly relations with the Germans, who by that time had occupied Ukraine and stood on the border of the Don region. The Don Government exchanged permanent missions with them. The representative of the occupiers at the Don Army was von Kockenhausen, with whom Krasnov coordinated all issues relating to the joint actions of the German units with the Don, as well as the supply of Don Army weapons.
Krasnov, to please the German imperialists, tried to create a vassal state on the richest and most fertile lands of Russia, turning the southern regions of the country into a German semi-colony.
The "ruler" of the Don region, with cynical frankness, outlined his anti-Soviet plans in a letter to the German Kaiser sent in July 1918.
At the trial, Krasnov said the following:
- I sent Wilhelm II a top secret letter in which I welcomed his Imperial Majesty as the mighty monarch of Germany and informed me that with the direct support of Germany, the struggle against the Bolsheviks on the Don was drawing to a close. In my letter, I asked Wilhelm to assist me in dismembering Soviet Russia and joining the Russian army: Taganrog, Kamyshin, Tsaritsyn, Voronezh, and the Liski and Povorino railway stations, which I headed the state “The Great Don Army”. I informed the Germans that I had concluded an agreement with the leaders of the Astrakhan and Kuban Regions, Prince Tundutopy and Colonel Filimonov, that an iodine federation named “Don Caucuses Union” would be formed in Russia, into which the powers should enter: “The Great Don Army ”, The Astrakhan army with Kalmykia, the Stavropol, Kuban regions and the North Caucasus.
I asked the German leaders to strengthen my assistance with weapons, engineering property, build gun, weapons, shell and ammunition plants on the Don ... I pledged to give Wilhelm II the full right to export agricultural products, leather goods, wool, fish, from the Don to Germany fats, livestock and horses. I also granted the right to German industrialists to place their capital in Don industrial and commercial enterprises and to operate water and other means of communication.

This is your, yours and only yours-ability to betray, sell and lie, trying to make you believe in "purity and integrity, infallibility and heroism" of this white rabble.
Kolchak was lowered under the ice, Krasnov, the ss-ataman, hanged like a scoundrel dog — this is the TRUTH and the Sentence of the PEOPLE.

[Hapfri]

Kolchak was lowered under the ice, Krasnov, the ss-ataman, hanged like a scoundrel dog — this is the TRUTH and the Sentence of the PEOPLE.

Do not lie
Krasnov was not a member of the SS.
The sentences were not people, but closed courts, without lawyers and press coverage. When do you stop lying?

[Uncle Murzik]

Well, by lies Hapfrey has not yet surpassed anyone!

[Hapfri]

With uchpedgizom and Sovinformburo - your favorite sources I have to compete. ...

[Uncle Murzik]

Humphrey well, after you wrote that "Smersh" shot 700000 people, you even surpassed Goebbels with his office you liar liar not surpass no one

[Hapfri]

that "Smersh" shot 700000 people "

And how many people do you think were shot for certain violations during the war?

[Uncle Murzik]

and on yours "somsh" was engaged in executions? Well, for a visionary, this is normal!

[MrK]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

It seems that again the case will end with the cutting out of the gentlemen. But God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless. And the blame for everything will again be lordly and bourgeois greed, just as meaningless and merciless.

I agree, colleague The Bloodthirster
In the meantime, one consolation remains: God is not a fraer, he sees the whole truth, although he will not say it soon. Old Aleksander’s tears will pour out to these Aleksander and Hapfram, and impoverished men ’curses are powerless, and prayers not heard by all homeless, unemployed and destitute.
Hatred is a material power. Faith and hatred move mountains. Faith and hatred obliterated huge states. The people hate you. And the belief that you will die will not go anywhere. Russian revolutions are not velvet. If both the knife and the barrel still protrude. Only a serious crisis is needed. And he is not far off. Read, all read the story of 1917 of the year!
How amicably they will fly across the border in their planes, drinking whiskey and smiling at their wives: well, okay, everything worked out, we are starting a new life! And how they will be shot at their azure-marble villas - in the back of the head, through optics!
Link: A. Kurlandchik in the book “Damned” Soviet power ... on Proza.ru.

[Aleksander]

Quote: mrark

Quote: The Bloodthirster It seems that the matter will again end in the cutting out of the gentlemen. But God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless. And the blame for everything will again be lordly and bourgeois greed, just as meaningless and merciless.
I agree, colleague The Bloodthirster

Of you with a collection of the Bloodlet of Cassandra, like a bullet: bulging eyes, swollen cheeks, formidable carrr-And no one is scared, moreover, it's funny.

Quote: mrark

Hatred is a material power. Faith and hatred move mountains. Faith and hatred obliterated huge states. The people hate you. And the belief that you will die will not go anywhere. Russian revolutions are not velvet. If both the knife and the barrel still protrude. Only a serious crisis is needed. And he is not far off. Read, all read the story of 1917 of the year! How amicably they will fly across the border in their planes, drinking whiskey and smiling at their wives: well, okay, everything worked out, we are starting a new life! And how they will be shot at their azure-marble villas - in the back of the head, through optics

Oh-oh, what to do, where to run from these formidable, merciless, spent moths, HOMYAKOV ?!

[Uncle Murzik]

Aleksander you do not worry, sit exactly on the pope in the impoverished Moldova!

[Colonel]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

You can’t tell anything, except for LIES, but the realities are different.

Are Bronstein and Zemlyachka a lie? Dekulakization and dispossession - is it a lie? Western concessions across the country in the 20s - also a lie? What does Krasnov have to do with it when talking about Kolchak? Or should I, using your methods, poke Vlasov in your eyes? Yes, Kolchak is MY history, the history of MY country. I do not separate myself from it and, unlike you, I am not going to "cut out" anyone in this country.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: colonel

What does Krasnov have to do with it when talking about Kolchak?

Despite the fact that one field of berries. Both white, both sold the country.

Quote: colonel

Scraping and dispossession is a lie?

The drowning began KRASNOV.

Quote: colonel

Is Bronstein and Countrywoman a lie?

What is the lie? In their existence? So they definitely existed, then what do you have to say on this issue?

Quote: colonel

Are Western concessions nationwide in the 20s a lie too?

Now there are none? Until 1917, there were none? 60% of all industrial production in the RI-Intogog capital was not there?
What did you want to say?

Quote: colonel

Or should I, using your methods, poke Vlasov in your eyes?

You can poke anywhere, but with regards to Vlasov, the same traitor as Kolchak and Krasnov.
They don’t erect monuments to him, but you are capable of it, if you rush to defend the English officer Kolchak and the German SS General Krasnov.
The next stage of your fall will be the protection and installation of monuments to Hitler, as the most effective killer of Russian people who were former citizens of the USSR.

Quote: colonel

I do not separate myself from it and, unlike you, I am not going to "cut out" anyone in this country.

You defined yourself as the spiritual heir of those whom the country expelled from itself in 1920, considering them superfluous. MOST of the country thought so.
And your boisterous minority, erecting monuments to the Jews who came in a foreign army with the war to the MOTHERLAND, shows you because you are a minority capable of surrendering the country once again, as in February 17, as those who served Hitler, as in August 91.
What else do you have to say, besides the tragedy in tears about the killers of ordinary Russian people - Hitler, Kolchak, Krasnov, Mannerheim, Vragel
e, Semenov and other Ungernah and Skuro?
Think of yourself as an heir to the bakers?
And by origin far from them, what a strange consciousness aberration you have ...

[avt]

Quote: colonel

History, normal people study history, and deby ..... abnormal spit.

Well, try to become normal and teach the whole story and how Lenin paid for the Brest Peace with gold, which then settled in France in the form of an indemnity, from the principle that we will stir up the whole world revolution and return. Well, how Kolchak poured gold into Japan and America, well, except that the Czechs did not take out and then created their own "Czechoslovak economic miracle" with Legia's bank on it, and then they said that if you drown in Baikal - dive. So eat a loaf whole whole, and do not pick out the raisins.

[Hapfri]

and how Lenin paid the price in Brest peace,

Here is the story itself and teach. And about gold, and about the Bolshevik revolt in the rear of a warring country, and about a mine laid under Russia by Lenin in the form of a republican structure of the USSR that rests solely on terror of the Cheka.
Tie with Uchpedgiz.

[Gardamir]

rebellion in the rear of a warring country,

this is when the white generals in February betrayed the white king?

about a mine laid under Russia

Tales of a sapper who mined the Donbass!

[Hapfri]

this is when the white generals in February betrayed the white king?

This is when the socialists staged February.
You somehow separate the red days from the others. Comrade Kerensky is also a socialist. Eser. That is, a "trudovik". Supporter of the socialist revolution in the countryside.

[2-0]

True Citizen "Humphrey" so their fly agarics. These Bolsheviks, Jewish wolves, also overthrew the tsar.

[zoolu300]

For average minds. The structure of the USSR is not a mine, but a brilliant open structure to expand influence, which allows any territory to be accepted into the country (even Catholic, even Muslim). Sam I.V. Stalin realized this, although he was initially opposed and did not change anything during his reign.

[Hapfri]

The structure of the USSR is not a mine, but a brilliant open structure to expand influence, which allows any territory to be accepted into the country (even Catholic, even Muslim)

But there was no admission to the structure. But the collapse of the ingenious structure I personally observed. The Cheka disappeared and everyone ran. For local communists dreamed of becoming rulers.
Like the current Belarusian. And after all, the son will leave the crown. You will see.

[zoolu300]

But what about the "pro-Baltic" republics and Moldavia? During a crisis of any system, desertion begins. I have nothing against Old Man. By the way, he turns our "oligarchy" on the reproductive organ quite well.

[avt]

Quote: Hupfri

Here is the story itself and teach.

That's how long I live - I teach, and I try to compare the facts in accordance with the reality of the time, well, but these are ... Humphrey solely according to the proverb of the folk - "A silly dumb gets rich", they already know everything from birth, so they are talking nonsense like true intellectuals, not burdened with intellect, since it interferes with carrying adorable nonsense. But if he were smart, and even the materiel would teach, then nonsense about

Quote: Hupfri

kept solely on terror by the Cheka to the structure of the USSR.

I wouldn’t write, because it’s not only that the Cheka, but also the Cheka, ended its formation with the formation of the USSR in 1922 and then the USSR from 1923 rested on a completely formalized political structure of the GPU-OGPU right up to 1934. Learn the materiel before knocking on the clave.

[Hapfri]

The Cheka, as well as the Cheka, ended its existence with the formation of the USSR in 1922 and then the USSR from 1923 rested on a completely formalized political structure of the GPU-OGPU

Yah?
And how did these organizations differ from each other?
GPU from the NKVD, NKVD from the NKGB, and from the MGB.
There, even the employees were the same. Not for nothing did the KGB officers continue to call themselves Chekists, and the Dzerzhinsky idol stuck in front of the head office

, and even the materiel would teach

Do you have your own thoughts, scientist?

[Rastas]

The question is, what do you mean by the word "revolution". If what happened in Kiev is considered a revolution, then palace coups in Russia can also be considered revolutions, since the legitimate monarchs were overthrown with the help of the guards.

[Basil50]

The strange thing is that today they proclaim the traitors of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and frank bastards as heroes, and can not forgive the Bolsheviks for the fact that they built the STATE and managed to create the SOVIET UNION from the wreckage of the EMPIRE.
And Kolchak is really * unique *, managed to take the oath to FOUR states. The last three oaths during the year

[avt]

Quote: Vasily50

The strange thing is that today they proclaim the traitors of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE and frank bastards as heroes, and can not forgive the Bolsheviks for the fact that they built the STATE and managed to create the SOVIET UNION from the wreckage of the EMPIRE.

Neobars from non-contemporary noble families, since the printing houses work and have stockpiled diplomas about the nobility - they’ve bought it, there aren’t enough servants for Hepenis, so far their brains are being diluted by the estate society, and better by caste.

[Hapfri]

here the brains are then liquefied while the estate society, but better immediately caste.

Right There was the level of the Central Committee, the level of the regional committee, city committee, district party committee, and each had his own rations, boarding houses, huts from the special fund, then the level of the KGB, well, of course the generals.
And below the "sovetsky narodishko" recognized to feed all these freeloaders and backers

[Gardamir]

There was the level of the Central Committee, the level of the regional committee, city committee, district party committee and

these tales were well heard in the 90s, and now who is better than the current Kolchakites or Soviet secretaries ..?

[Hapfri]

these tales were well listened to in the 90s,

Figas tales! You dream of repeating these tales. And all over again ....

[Hapfri]

, and they just can’t forgive the Bolsheviks for

The fact that at first they ruined the country by a civil war, destroying millions, destroying entire estates, then robbed those already robbed with their industrialization, plunging the country into the Second World War nevertheless completely unprepared and allowing, as a result of mediocre leadership, uncountable multimillion losses, giving the enemy vast territories

[Gardamir]

The one that first ruined the country ... giving the enemy vast territories

so what about the current government?

[Hapfri]

so what about the current government?
Yet...

Liked?
But it was just such a new state with a new type of party headed by

[fif21]

Quote: Vasily50

Here is the fact that the representatives of RUSSIA in the white movement were quite a match for import owners trying to * omit *, as something insignificant, raises questions.

Once again, they are trying to deceive the Russians! Show bloody ghouls with innocent victims. It will end with the flame flaring up again. Again the same rake is stepping on, these parasites living at the expense of the people.

[Hapfri]

It will result in the flame flaring up again from the spark

Rather, it will be different. The last Bolshevik ghoul will soon be taken to the churchyard and the Marxist little idea will die safely.

[Bloodsucker]

M.V. Frunze in Orenburg on September 20, 1919.
The speech itself is very vivid, but I singled out a fragment from it that is best suited to those uneducated people who were taught to see Russophobes in the Bolsheviks.

“If you open any White Guard newspaper, you will see that Kolchak, who says that he defends the unity of Russia, that he is for its national revival, this Kolchak has help from all the imperialists of the world. You will read triumphant notes in such a newspaper about that the British are advancing very successfully in the North of Russia, that they have taken Arkhangelsk and that not today tomorrow they will advance closer to the center of Russia.Here you will read that Estonia and Finland are beating the Bolsheviks, that Petrograd will be taken tomorrow, that their troops are working very successfully In the west, the Bolsheviks are also successfully beaten and the Polish troops are advancing. In the same way, the Romanian troops are advancing successfully in the south; the English and French fleets are operating very successfully, bombarding the Black Sea cities and also beating the Bolsheviks. Then you read that Baku is in the hands of the British, the Bolsheviks the ships are also smashed by the British fleet, and in the east the Japanese troops are also beating the Bolsheviks and are also operating successfully.
Comrades, compare all these statements that you read, and think about where the Russian people are here — everywhere on these many fronts are the British, French, Japanese, Poles, Estonians, etc., and where are the Russian workers and peasants? They are here, inside the country, they are the Bolsheviks whom all these Japanese, British, Poles and others beat.
And I think, comrades, that everyone should understand that there, in the camp of our enemies, there can be no national revival of Russia, that it is from the other side that there can be no question of a struggle for the well-being of the Russian people. because of their beautiful eyes, all these Frenchmen, the British help Denikin and Kolchak - naturally, they pursue their own interests. This fact should be clear enough that Russia is not there, that Russia is with us. Although we have in the presence of representatives of other nationalities, but at the core we have the Russian working people. "
Published by: M.V. Frunze. Unknown and Forgotten:
journalism, memoirs, documents, letters. -
M .: Nauka, 1991 .-- S. 172-181.

[Aviator_]

Very competent performance. Thanks for this great quote.

[Hapfri]

M.V. Frunze in Orenburg on September 20, 1919.

Well done, I learned to copy-paste all garbage, let's get the collected works of Brezhnev here, fuck it up.
The wisdom of the paramedic Frunze is somehow not impressive

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey, as practice has shown, paramedic Frunze turned out to be more talented than many white generals!

[Hapfri]

paramedic Frunze was more talented than many

With millions of bayonets and a muzzle of terror, the rear is easy to be a talent. Other similar talents showed themselves during the Second World War. They ran ahead of the troops they had abandoned. Voroshilov, Budyonny, Kulik, Tymoshenko, and other glorious equestrians of the First Horse

But talent did not help him. He was too impudent and removed.

[Bloodsucker]

We compose fairy tales?

Quote: Hupfri

They ran ahead of the troops they had abandoned. Voroshilov, Budyonny, Kulik, Tymoshenko, and other glorious equestrians of the First Horse

Do not lie, dear.

[Hapfri]

We compose fairy tales

Could it be that in the 41st they met a German near Moscow and Leningrad. How did they get there then? Where is Moscow and where is the border?

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey, weren't the USSR wars raised the red banner over the Reichstag!

[Bloodsucker]

Under Soltsy, your Masters were draping, throwing everything. So keep quiet.

[Uncle Murzik]

and what prevented the white generals from gathering millions of bayonets? apparently the peasants and workers did not want to be flogged at the stables

[Rastas]

The creation of a noble image of the White Guards was greatly facilitated, oddly enough, by Soviet cinema. How not to admire the works of Strizhelchik, Lanovoy, Vysotsky, Dvorzhetsky Myagkov, Strizhenov, Ivashov, Dzhigarkhanyan? Even pre-war cinema did not always paint white people as idiots, remember the same attack in "Chapaev" or the image of Lieutenant Moldavsky performed by Babochkin ("Defense of Tsaritsyn"). They watched a movie and thought, well, what noble they are, they sing arias and romances, beautiful manners, politeness in their circle, courage.

[Basil50]

There was no question of White’s idiocy; everything * revolves * around morality. It is strange that other arguments about honor and dignity were mentioned about * chivalry *, but the fact that Kolchak took the Oath FOUR four times to four different states was not mentioned. So everyone knows this and discards it as an insignificant and simply * fleeting * fact from the life of one person. But there were many such among the whites. Of course, it is attractive that a person speaks foreign languages ​​or plays music, or has a higher education, but all this has been used AGAINST RUSSIA and its PEOPLE.

[Basil50]

beaver
So, you know how to play music, how to behave manneredly, and that's all, you have the right to betrayal and other * charms * of Western culture.
Bulgakov tried from his bell tower to realize and comprehend what happened and why these representatives of the nobility turned out to be traitors to RUSSIA.

[bober1982]

for Basil50
Why did Stalin like it? and why is the ability to play music and behave manneredly the way to treason? and they were not representatives of the nobility, and moreover they were not traitors.
You read, the book is thin, but interesting, not for nothing that Stalin liked it.

[Basil50]

beaver
The fact that sometimes you need to think and think about your place in current events Bulgakov tried, to the best of his ability, to describe and analyze. Bulgakov wrote that the officers of the former army of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE thought about how it turned out that they suddenly appeared among the enemies of RUSSIA?
The fact that the nobles with education and * culture * turned out to be improvised by the occupiers and other * integrators * robbing RUSSIA is not a * phenomenon * but a completely regular worldview.

[bober1982]

Dear Vasily50, in the novel "The White Guard" the officers of the former Imperial Army did not think that they suddenly found themselves among the enemies of Russia. So to speak, it's just the same: Oh my God! What henchmen? What invaders? the novel describes the events that are now taking place in / in Ukraine, one to one, although 100 years have passed.
The book is about something else, believe me, you just got stuck in the class struggle.

[bober1982]

Stalin was very fond of Bulgakov's play "Days of the Turbins" based on the novel "White Guard" - it had everything: arias, romances, beautiful manners, politeness, courage.
If you haven’t read it, I recommend it.

[Bloodsucker]

A strong country, confident in the rightness of its cause, can and should show the enemy as it showed Soviet cinema in due time.
It is a pity one, coupled with this, did not show the really bloody face of these Bely, with documentary evidence.

[Hapfri]

Even pre-war cinema didn’t always paint white idiots,

That is amazing ......
It’s strange. It does not look like a pre-war movie.

[Bloodsucker]

Amazing your ignorance and tendency to lie.
And equally, your tendency to justify either the Nazis, the Entente army, or some other terrorists and criminals.

[VDV1985]

everything is not as simple as it seems. And do not think that Kolchak was a good choice for Russia - he wanted a return to the old order and way of life. And the fact that he declared the return of land to their owners did not add to his popularity among the peasants.
The most important thing in the article is that when the country weakens, all kinds of rabble come flying in, calling themselves "friends". to grab more.
And the government, like the modern one, is only trying to give them this opportunity to the detriment of its own citizens ...

[Hapfri]

that he declared the return of land to their owners did not add to his popularity among peasants

In any case, honestly. He declared what he wanted to do
The Bolsheviks promised land to the peasants of the factory workers, but in reality did not give anything, but on the contrary robbed

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey, and for whom did the factories and plants in the USSR work? Yes, it seems, and free education, medicine, rest on free permits, apartments are free! There was no unemployment, drug addiction!

[Hapfri]

and for whom did the factories and plants in the USSR work?

Really to whom? To the war? To the world revolution? Not for the people, that's for sure.

medicine, vacation on free trips, apartments are free! there was no unemployment, drug addiction!

Apartments are not for everyone, trips to the elite, alcoholism was incredible .....
Now-earned-bought. Use it.
And no shortage

[padded jacket]

Quote: Hupfri

Apartments are not for everyone, trips to the elite, alcoholism was incredible .....

Well, why are you making this up? Troll or what?
The apartments were given in order of priority.
Vacations free especially for children were true in the South not so often but I myself went there in childhood.
the situation with alcoholism was clearly better than in the years when various liberals came to power, led by Yeltsin and the "team" of Gaidar Chubais and the rest of the Abramovichs.

[Hapfri]

Well, why are you making this up? Troll or what?

Am i making up Here Khrushchov gave his grandfather a one-room apartment for four (before that he lived in a barrack - there were only 38 lavatories in XNUMX rooms), grandfather, grandmother, my father, his sister .... my father married and brought my mother, then I was born ..... Do you think? Give a calculator?
Then the father went to the boss and said either you are giving housing or I'm leaving. And there was a father a great specialist and launched Tereshkova. They gave him a room.
In the communal apartment. And we began to live in a little room, well, plus 4 neighbors. After a few years no one gave anything to his father.
And the father went to the cooperative. 7000 Brezhnev rubles per kopeck piece on the outskirts. Father received 200, mother 130 ..... give a calculator?

the situation with alcoholism was clearly better than in the years when various liberals came to power

Well what can I tell you? I’ve been practicing at a military factory, there a master by the name of Shmakov used a glass for lunch .... much further

[Uncle Murzik]

Well, yes, a loan in the USSR for an apartment was given at 0,5 per annum! and now at least 15-16% and all kinds of insurance! At a cost of at least 1,5 million in Omsk, with an average real salary of 15000! You don’t even need a calculator! Apparently your dad was such a "specialist", my friend worked as a bricklayer in the USSR, so he got a one-ness in three years!

[Aleksander]

Quote: Hupfri

Apartments are not for everyone

The apartments were not given to ANYONE: they were all STATE, were surrendered on social hiring. How many tragedies, crimes, speculations, abominations, comedies, idiocy on this! And God forbid, they did not have time to register a relative, and the employer died, and the apartment was again at the state. And the employer who honestly earned it-children did not leave ANYTHING, like it didn’t work at all ...... Cool, yes ....

[Bloodsucker]

What a fantasy ... go tell tales to America, they will believe you there.
http://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/10001
879 /
Mr. deceit, you do not misinterpret the laws.
http://www.alppp.ru/law/grazhdanskoe-pravo/nasled
ovanie / 2 / zakon-sssr-ot-08-12-1961.html

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

What a fantasy ... go tell tales to America, they will believe you there. Http://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/d
oc / 10001879 / Mr. deceit, you do not misinterpret the Laws. http://www.alppp.ru/law/grazhdanskoe-
pravo / nasledovanie / 2 / zakon-sssr-ot-08-12-1961.htm
l

You, in fact, about what, are you our comical?

[Uncle Murzik]

Aleksander well again, your fantasies! We are waiting for fantastic stories about the "gangs of black reuters" during the USSR!

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

Aleksander well again, your fantasies! We are waiting for fantastic stories about the "gangs of black reuters" during the USSR!

Only in this article, this note liar, is caught at least three times in a lie, but look, he finds, however, assistants and those who, contrary to the realities of History, manage to put the pluses and try to mutter something else in the wake of his lies, and without it even any reliable facts.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Only in this article, this note liar, is caught at least three times in a lie, but look, he finds, however, assistants and those who, contrary to the realities of History, manage to put the pluses and try to mutter something else in the wake of his lies, and without it even any reliable facts.

And that says the ridiculous comedian poked SEVEN times with his nose only in this article in those puddles that he has done, lied to: in his utter ignorance and ignorance even .... of the feast of February 23 (this is beyond general.
The individual is constantly lying, awkwardly dodging, constantly rude, but constantly fasting long, dull FOREIGNERS THOUGHTS and articles due to the lack of one completely.

"Caught" - three times ?!
Yes, and FUNNY.

[Uncle Murzik]

Yes, such Moldovan experts as Aleksander, even piss in the eye!

[Aleksander]

Quote: Uncle Murzik

yes to such Moldovan experts as Aleksander, even pisses in the eye

A procedure familiar to your eyes, judging by the confidence of the statement.

[Uncle Murzik]

the fact is that now the bulk of people live in apartments that they received and built under the USSR, although almost 30 years have passed already!

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey or just Mr. liar! Who did not go on a ticket to the pioneer camp? many twice a summer

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey is lying again, now with a minimum wage of 7500 rubles, and a living wage of 9900 he bought everything?

[VDV1985]

it actually worked for people. People were forcibly drawn to knowledge, but you. apparently, they studied under your so beloved capitalism. where "buy" replaced "know" - for information, deficiency is written through E :)))

[Rastas]

Hapfrey, read you, this creates the feeling that the Bolsheviks were Martians who decided to occupy Russia. "Land for peasants, factories for workers - this is a slogan. But in fact, the classes of private owners were eliminated, broad strata of the population received education and were involved in the system of power and management, over time, basic living needs were satisfied, even those for which in the West you have to pay Many Marxists, by the way, were disappointed in the result, because it was not according to Marx's theory that everything was done. But it could not be otherwise in an agrarian country with an illiterate population. Some researchers even developed the concept of "Russian communism", which, in addition to the teachings of Marx and others directions of Western socialism, included the ideas of the Russian peasant community, the populist movement, anarchism.It arose as a result of the historical creativity of millions of people who either had no idea about Marxism or knew about it very vaguely and interpreted it in their own way.

[Hapfri]

In fact, the classes of private owners were eliminated,

Moreover, eliminated in the literal sense. Physically so to speak.

general population educated

It's hard to argue, millions of people have learned to read from warehouses. It's right.
Then part of these literate people were sent to institutes by Komsomol ticket. Where from semi-literate students did semi-literate engineers

not according to Marx's theory, everything was accomplished. But it could not be otherwise in an agrarian country with an illiterate population.

Well, why did all this have to be done? They wanted the best, but it turned out as always?

over time, basic necessities of life were satisfied, even those for which the West had to pay

Yes? And before that, the people lived in limbo and their needs were not met. Well, there was no life until the October coup - and that’s it!
Moreover, of course, they paid for everything here too. Only from public funds.
Only funds were scarce and therefore lived in barracks and communal apartments
You also do not take into account at all that the Russian Empire would also have developed if such a catastrophe had not happened in the 17th. Many projects could be implemented in the Republic of Ingushetia.

[Gardamir]

The Bolsheviks promised land to the peasants of the factory workers

as promised, it was, but the current liberalism who has sat in the Kremlin has taken everything away

[Hapfri]

as promised it was

Schaz. A hard worker, as he was a beggar, he remained a beggar. He could not dispose of "his" plant in any way, but only bent his back for a pittance.
Except, of course, the party pack, which did not deny itself anything

[Bloodsucker]

Regular fairy tales, where did you study, myth-creator?
Where does this "knowledge" come from?

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey, you'd better not write any crap, you would look smarter! The main visitors to VO lived under the USSR, and we know the truth!

[Uncle Murzik]

hard workers, as you call people, got the opportunity to have education, medical care, relax in sanatoriums, have housing with a minimum rent, trade unions, and so on! The average life expectancy in 1913 was 31 years and in 1939 42 years!

[VDV1985]

Exactly, under capitalism, both land and factories were distributed to workers and peasants :)))

[parusnik]

"These allies will sell me"

- What, son, did your Poles help you? ... "Soyuznichki" put the "Supreme Ruler of Russia" A.V. Kolchak on the throne, they handed him over ... They did not need him at all when the "fried" smell, not even as a mine specialist ... But before that he was hired by the British Navy ..

[ValeraKrasovski]

I stopped respecting Khabensky when he heroized this traitor and bastard in a vile film. They are now trying to make this creature a patriot of Russia, but in vain. Participated in the exploration of the Arctic, but as one of the officers of the fleet. Nothing special, except for drunkenness and sleeping among the dead sailors, did not distinguish himself in the Japanese war. With his husband alive, he made his wife a mistress. He was a complete drug addict. or as they said then as a morphine addict .. He appropriated the successes of the mine flotilla and after the death of Essen, as a result of intrigue, managed to achieve the appointment of the commander of this flotilla in the Baltic, pushing Stark aside. When he was appointed commander of the Black Sea Fleet, he did nothing special. Although there is no profuku "Empress Mary" and failed the Bosphorus operation. He quickly repainted - a monarchist, socialist, executioner and traitor. He faithfully served the foreign invaders, drove them tsarist gold for weapons and very successfully destroyed his own people. The same patriots were Krasnov and Semyonov, who labored in the service of one for the Germans, the other for the Japanese. They say about such - a dog, a dog's death.

[2-0]

People!
What do you browze and increase your blood pressure?

B-L-A-S-T-T CHANGED !!!!!!!!
There was "Nicholas the bloody", God forgive me, Saint Nicholas with his wife and children. There was "the executioner Kolchak" - there was "Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak, admiral and geographer". Was "the beast Denikin" became the "last idealist".
There was an intervention and looting by the country's invaders — help was made to the troops loyal to the Provisional Government.
It was the Great October Revolution - it became a coup d'etat.

Everything is fine, what is the fuss about?

[avt]

Quote: 2-0

There was "Nicholas the bloody", God forgive me, Saint Nicholas with his wife and children. There was "the executioner Kolchak" - there was "Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak, admiral and geographer". Was "the beast Denikin" became the "last idealist".

Hitler was an ally of Mannerheim - became almost a Soviet intelligence intelligence officer , for a geographer and a Russian general, and I do not speak, of course I was, and "George" has served himself quite well. The question, "new" research by Igor Chubais and Gavrilka Popov about Vlasov? Well, the fact that he, broke through with the 2nd shock army to Leningrad, organize and lead the resistance to Stalin, "well, when the monument will be erected by the de-Stalinists ??? Maybe immediately and a commemorative plaque to Alfred Rosenberg in Moscow at the current MSTU. Bauman ? Well, all the same, when it was the imperial MTU, he finished it, but the figure is historical - you can’t get anywhere. There is no limit to perfection in .

[Hapfri]

Maybe immediately and a commemorative plaque to Alfred Rosenberg in Moscow at the current MSTU. Bauman

With Rosen, this is superfluous, but the name of the Bauman terrorist from the name must be removed

[2-0]

I will add about Kolchak and the court. Ha ha ha. And if Frunze or Tukhachevsky had been captured, would they have been provided with an attorney at law? Or "chopped into cabbage" without going far?
But the Kolchak was also interrogated and not tortured, and even nobody gave a butt to the face.

By the way, about "chop into cabbage". This cheerful and harmless term appeared just at the Kolchak front. And white started. They started with the fattest prisoner, hung them up by the arms, and began to chew the meat off the man with sabers. The thinner they cut, the longer the person suffered. Cossacks came up with ...

[fif21]

Quote: 2-0

There was "the executioner Kolchak" - there was "Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak, admiral and geographer". Was "the beast Denikin" became the "last idealist".

Sometimes it’s smarter just to turn the page of the story. But we don’t know how. We need to rewrite the story! And what it can lead to, do not even think about it. What was Obama thinking when he publicly humiliated Russia, calling it a weak, regional country? What was he thinking when he declared that the United States defeated the USSR in the Cold War? There was a friend Bill, partner Obama, and now who is Obama for us?

[Hapfri]

What Obama was thinking when he publicly humiliated Russia

It all started earlier when Serbia was bombed, and for Russia there was no place in the world in the 90s.

[parusnik]

B-L-A-S-T-T CHANGED !!!!!!!!

..It’s for sure..It’s like during the restoration of the Bourbons in France .. Louis XVIII attended classes at the school and asked the student: Who won at Marnoy? .. When Marengo was defeated by General of His Majesty Bonoparte, who later betrayed his king .. Now about the same...

[Aviator_]

Loyal nonsense "On February 7, 1920, Admiral Alexander Vasilyevich Kolchak and Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the All-Russian Government Viktor Nikolayevich Pepelyaev were killed without trial or sentence." And where did the Kolchak interrogation protocols come from? Fake Stalinist villains? Article minus.

[bober1982]

Kolchak’s interrogation was, like his protocols (one could even read in Soviet times), but there was no trial and sentence. They were in a hurry, they had to divide the gold, and there it was a line for him.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: bober1982

They were in a hurry, the gold had to be divided, and there a line lined up for him.

Is there any documentary evidence of your fabrication? You do not have it. But revered as gold appropriated by Kappel and his foreign assistants.
GOLD OF THE EMPIRE

The next day, when Kappel was inspecting the seized arms depots and sorting out another regular conflict, he rushed in and announced that the Empire’s gold had been discovered in the vaults of the Kazan bank! Kappel rushed to the bank, met with employees, ordered to strengthen security and prepare for the transportation of treasures. It was part of Russia's gold reserves, previously brought to the rear from the Petrograd, Moscow, Tambov, Voronezh, Yelets, Kursk, Mogilev, Syzran, Penza and Samara branches of the People’s Bank. In addition to the values ​​of private owners, which were previously stored in Kazan, now the city has accumulated a gold reserve of 657 million rubles and silver by almost 200 million rubles, about 30-35% of the total Russian gold reserve!

From various sources it follows that the entire gold reserve of the state by the end of 1914 amounted to approximately 1560 million rubles. (1200 tons). It was kept in the branches of the State Bank in a number of cities. In addition, a significant amount of gold was held in banks in Berlin, London and Paris as a guarantee for loans. Therefore, it cannot be argued that the "gold reserve of Russia" was kept in Kazan. There was about a third of it. It is more appropriate to call it "Kazan part of the reserve" or "Kazan gold".

On August 9, a telegram was sent to the commander of the Volga Front, now Colonel S. Chechek: "After a two-day battle, on August 7, units of the Samara detachment of the People's Army and the Czechoslovakians, together with our combat flotilla, captured Kazan. The trophies cannot be counted, the gold reserves of Russia have been seized 650 million The loss of my detachment is 25 people, the troops behaved perfectly. Lieutenant Colonel Kappel. August 9, 1918. "

[bober1982]

Kappel contacted the Socialist-Revolutionaries (COMUCH), what can I say if the People’s Army had orders like under Kerensky — epaulettes are forbidden, citizen soldiers, notorious committees and commissars, etc.
Therefore, in the queue for gold, even these scoundrels (socialist revolutionaries) were lined up.

[Bloodsucker]

Let's continue the educational program
On November 18, 1918, a coup took place in Omsk and A.V. Kolchak was proclaimed the Supreme Ruler of Russia. "Kazan Gold" became "Kolchak's Gold". A special guard detachment was created. A train of 28 cars with gold reserves was constantly at the headquarters of the Ruler of Russia. For a long time, the admiral forbade touching it, considering it a national property. He believed that his fate should be decided by the Constituent Assembly. But money for the war was badly needed. We decided to spend the gold, formed the "golden echelon" No. 1 and sent it for sale to Vladivostok under the British flag. Atamans, hunghuzes and red partisans were afraid to attack the Entente trains.

In Vladivostok, only after the fall of tsarism opened branches of foreign banks. On May 26, 1919, the first sale of gold to the Indo-Chinese Bank took place. After sending this train, in May 1919 a group of employees of the Ministry of Finance and the State Bank under the direction of senior cashier N.P. Kulyabko conducted an audit. Received the exact numbers: 645 rubles. taking into account 410 boxes exported from Kazan by the Bolsheviks, in the form of a Russian gold coin, a foreign gold coin, gold bullion, gold stripes and circles. Physically 610 tons and 100 kg of gold in coins and bullion.

For fourteen months this gold was at the disposal of Kolchak and was spent on the needs of the White Army. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th echelons left for Vladivostok. The second sale took place on July 24 to the Industrial Chinese and July 28 to the Hong Kong-Shanghai banks. The third and fourth sales took place on July 30 and August 2 to Yokohama Hurry

[bober1982]

The realities were as follows, I will quote N. Starikov (the book "Protocols of Kolchak's interrogation is the most important evidence of history")
Kolchak took the secret of gold with him. No one knows how much of it was originally, how much was paid for military supplies to the "allies", how many of these supplies were ...
There were a lot of white leaders. Only Kolchak was transferred for reprisal.

[Bloodsucker]

You are struck by your ignorance.
The Russian liberal-democratic legend says: the paranoid and terrible villain Stalin at night (when the rest of the good people sleep) pondered his plans. If you believe our libdem, then at night a person has three options: sleep all night without hind legs, along with the road and the only one to do what he loves, listen to various foreign and very knowledgeable radio stations (this option has recently almost completely left fashion and is rare). In fact, every night, millions of people are busy with various important things: they work in production, operate planes, trains and ships, they are on duty in the army, air defense, police, security, transport and hospitals, they sneak through smuggling across borders, rob outlets or banks, as a last resort, expect customers or watch TV.
Learn
http://zema.su/blog/palachi-i-zhertvy-massovykh-r
epressii-1937-1938-gg-v-sssr
In addition, by the verdict of the Tribunal, they were hanged like scoundrel dogs Krasnov and Shkuro, Semenov and Ungern were shot, so that everyone found their fate.

[bober1982]

If this comment is addressed to me, then I did not understand anything. Enough, it’s better to watch football.

[Hapfri]

Kolchak invited the convoy soldiers to make their own choice - and most of them went over to the Bolsheviks.

I hope they got their traitors, served in the camps for as long as they should, and if they survived, they ended their days in the collective farm pigsty.

[andrew42]

Someday, I believe in it, a memorial will be erected on our land in memory of that terrible Civil War. Both white and red. You don't even need to invent the ososo composition: in the center there are people in identical greatcoats chopping and stabbing each other, behind them sobbing widows and children dying of hunger, on the right, satisfied "allies" - the interventionists and a couple of bourgeois in top hats, on the left grinning uncles in leather jackets with goats beards, and also a couple of bourgeois. In Russia, the authorities are changing, but I draw your attention to the fact that NOBODY dares to nail the disgraceful tablet "anti-Russian coup, genocide of Russians as a people" to the events of 1917-1921. The Whites were cruel, the admiral is not an angel, Semyonov is even trickier, but! If Stalin had not nailed all this new Jewish red nobility, all these Trotskyists who enjoyed endless power over the "Russian herd", then there would have been neither the USSR, nor today's Russia, nor you and me, even the "detractors of Kolchak", even the "fans" ... The worst thing is that the discussion on the article shows: WE ARE STILL THERE. As a people, we are still in that war. And there are many "well-wishers" in the world to stir up the "Russian" murder itself, which, yes, with Russian hands, but not with Russian orders.

[skeptic31]

An amazing thing is the ability of individual individuals to abstract from everything that is not included in their ideas about this or that event, an activist. Trying to wash Kolchak is one of such abstractions. There is nowhere to put a mark on it, and it is in a certain hero and martyr. There is a mass of uncontested information about what Kolchak did with accomplices in the Urals and Siberia. By the way, for fans to admire the "white movement", it was these acts that led the common people to rise and, if they did not finish fishing rods in time, would show them what's what. In fact, the participation of the Reds in everything that was happening then in these places is minimal. In any case, the whole life of this “hero” is a continuous chain of betrayals and betrayals. Everywhere you throw dark stories everywhere. There are also strange behaviors during the command of the Black Sea Fleet and the death of "Empress Mary." And the transfer to the British maps of minefields in the Baltic. Our "allies" dreamed of turning Kronstadt into a new Gibraltar, in order to permanently block Russia's access to the Baltic Sea. And here is such a gift, although it is quite possible that he had already worked for the British before that.
So all these “whitewashers” have to describe how he loved, how he adored his servants or accomplices, and how his poor was executed, without delving into the specifics. Yes, you can write about anyone you want. For example, the Fuhrer was a vegetarian, loved dogs and children. So what?

[andrew42]

Is the black paint running out? Hitler's ears probably became like an elephant, after being drawn to Kolchak :)) There were no civilian heroes in that war. There were irreconcilable opponents, but it is disgusting to write down the entire white movement “in the Judas of the Russian land”.

[Hapfri]

There is a mass of uncontested information about what Kolchak did with accomplices in the Urals and Siberia.

You know what the Red Terror is. They took hostages from among the "ruling classes", several hundred people and shot them for whatever reason. Then they took the next batch of unfortunates. Completely innocent, innocent people. Or they raked out all the grain from the peasant, and if the robbed was indignant, then they shot him as a counter. And so everywhere. And arranged in St. Petersburg and Moscow .... but by the way everywhere where the Bolsheviks were in power hunger. And here there are already hundreds of thousands ...

[Hapfri]

Having made fun of the defenseless workers, they cut off their heads at the end, "wrote in April 1918. Izvestia of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee

What are you saying! But Sovinformburo, Sovinformburo Chevo wrote? For rations in hunger, you write whatever you want

Moreover, torture was often used in prisons, even special torture instruments were made

Was it about the Cheka now?

The whites did not fight with the people. There were excesses.
And the Reds terrorized the people. That is the difference

[Hapfri]

In June-August 1918, KOMUCH’s power extended to

KOMUCHA - this is generally red, just another spill. Socialist Revolutionaries, Mensheviks

[skeptic31]

Was there a red terror? Yes there was. But for some reason, the people in Siberia did not rise against the red, but precisely against the white terror? Were there peasant rebellions against the surplus appraisal? Yes they were. But for some reason, the Reds realized in time how the matter could end, and turned it off, but Kolchak and his associates never realized that how many villages were not burned, how many weren’t shot, the people would not calm down.

[Hapfri]

But for some reason, the people in Siberia did not rise against the red, but precisely against the white terror?

Because the authorities there were white. Here the uprisings were against the whites.
Then, when the Reds arrived, they did not almond.
All the leaders of the heroic struggle with the whites died in obscure circumstances

realized in time how the matter could end, and curtailed it,

Not at the right time, but when the general hunger began, the men stopped sowing. Then there was the NEP

[Uncle Murzik]

And here is the Southern Front, the usual pogrom.

Excerpts from the message of the Russian journalist Ivan Derevensky about the pogrom, which was carried out by the Cossacks of the 2nd Terek Plastun Brigade, the regiment is its commander. Belogortsev in Fastov, near Kiev, in September 1919:
... They talk about one case when a living person was thrown into the fire. Some Kixman’s tongue was cut off and a wound with a bursting bullet was discovered (he died). Everyone speaks about the use of explosive bullets, including persons from the medical staff of the Zemstvo hospital. The wounded Markman's ears are cut off. One of the Markman found 12 wounds with sabers, the other - 8. The corpse of the girl M. Polish was found burnt. In one list of those buried (the bailiff’s clerk has it) there are the names of two six-month-old children - Avrum Slobodskaya and Ruvin Konik ...

[andrew42]

And for those who fire Kolchak and his "gang" in the tail and in the mane, I advise a simple action: come to the Perm Territory, to Cherdyn, to the local history museum. There, under the glass, lies the PRESENT, signed on paper, Pepelyaev's appeal to the people regarding joining the ranks of the Kolchakites. And what is interesting, many apparently went. Therefore, then the once rich Verkhnekamsk cities became empty. So, in this address you will not find anything that would be ashamed to say a modern person who is not deprived of conscience. so everything is much more complicated, Red comrades and White gentlemen.

[Hapfri]

then let the "rooster" "

Letting a rooster is another thing.
How about putting here the works of the unforgettable Leonid Ilyich?

. Lenin denied the usefulness of individual terror in the political struggle.

Lenin denied that? Poor you know your godfather
Lenin called for "mass" terror. According to the current genocide

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Hupfri

Lenin called for "mass" terror. According to the current genocide

Where, how, is your lie confirmed?
Why are you lying?
And this is REALITY
Excerpt from the order of the Special Commissioner Kolchak in Krasnoyarsk dated March 27, 1919: To the chiefs of military units operating in the area of ​​the uprising:
1. When occupying villages captured earlier by robbers, demand the extradition of their leaders and leaders; if this does not happen, but reliable information about the availability of such information is available, shoot the tenth.
2. The villages, the population of which will meet government troops with weapons, burn; adult male population to shoot without exception; property, horses, carts, bread, and so on, selected in favor of the treasury.
Note. Everything selected must be carried out by order of the detachment ...
6. Among the population to take hostages, in case of action of fellow villagers directed against government troops, shoot hostages mercilessly.
General Grevs, commander of the corps of American interventionists in Eastern Siberia, wrote in his memoirs in 1922: “Terrible murders were committed in Eastern Siberia, but they were not committed by the Bolsheviks, as they usually thought. I’m not mistaken if for every person killed by the Bolsheviks, there were a hundred killed by anti-Bolshevik elements. ”

[Hapfri]

Where, how, is your lie confirmed?
Why are you lying?

I lie? But shame on you.
“Working people,” wrote Pravda on August 31, 1918, “the hour has come when we must destroy the bourgeoisie if we do not want the bourgeoisie to destroy us. Our cities must be mercilessly cleansed of bourgeois rot. All these gentlemen will be registered and those who pose a danger to the revolutionary class will be destroyed. <...> The hymn of the working class will henceforth be a song of hatred and revenge! "

In a secret circular dated September 17, Dzerzhinsky suggests that the local Cheka “speed up and finish, ie liquidate unresolved cases ”15. In reality, the "liquidations" began on August 31st. On September 3, Izvestia reported that in the previous days, the local Cheka had shot over 500 hostages in Petrograd. From KGB sources it is known that during September 800 people were shot in Petrograd. This figure is greatly understated. An eyewitness to the events describes the following details: “As for Petrograd, then, with a cursory count, the number of executions reaches 1300. <...> In their statistics, the Bolsheviks do not take into account hundreds of officers and civilians who were shot in Kronstadt by order of the local authorities. In Kronstadt alone, 400 people were shot in one night. Three large pits were dug in the courtyard, 400 people were put in front of them and shot one after another "

[Hapfri]

“The White Guard uprising is clearly being prepared in Nizhny,” Lenin telegraphed on August 9, 1918, to the chairman of the Nizhny Novgorod Executive Committee, Fedorov, in response to his message about the unrest of peasants who were not satisfied with the requisition, “all efforts must be exerted, the“ troika ”of dictators (you, Markin, etc.) must be tensed, immediately bring about mass terror, shoot and take out hundreds of prostitutes, soldering soldiers, former officers, etc.
Not a minute of delay. Carry out mass searches. For carrying weapons - execution. Organize the mass expulsion of the Mensheviks and other suspicious elements. ”2
The next day, August 10, a telegram of the same tonality was sent to the Penza Provincial Executive Committee:
“Comrades! The revolt of the five volosts of kulak should lead to ruthless suppression. The interest of the entire revolution requires this, for now the "final decisive battle" with the kulach has been taken. Sample must be given.
1) Hang (certainly hang, so that people see) no less than 100 notorious fists, rich, bloodsuckers.
2) Post their names.
3) Take away all the bread from them.
4) Appoint hostages - according to yesterday's telegram.
To make sure that people see, tremble, know, shout for hundreds of miles: they will strangle and strangle the bloodsucker of kulaks.
Wire receipt and execution.
Your Lenin.
Find people harder. "

[Hapfri]

The inhuman cruelty with which Lenin instilled the Red Terror is known, sending out directives to the Bolshevik leaders: “It is necessary to carry out a merciless mass terror against the kulaks, priests, White Guards. (and not just a legally narrow) provision motivating the essence and justification of terror ... The court should not eliminate terror ... but justify and legitimize it in principle, clearly, without falsehood and without embellishment. " As the head of the government, Lenin constantly demanded tougher repression: "To bring about mass terror, shoot and take out hundreds of prostitutes, solitary soldiers, former officers, etc. Not a minute of delay" (to Nizhny Novgorod); "Shoot conspirators and hesitants, without asking anyone and not allowing idiotic red tape" (to Saratov); "to hang under the guise of" green "(we then blame them) officials, the rich, priests, kulaks, landowners. Pay the murderers 100 thousand rubles each"; "I propose to appoint an investigation and shoot those guilty of blatant behavior"; "It was a shame to hesitate and not shoot for failure to appear"; "to appoint their superiors and shoot the conspirators and the hesitant, without asking anyone, not allowing idiotic red tape" (to the Narkomprod representative); "Hang (be sure to hang, so that the people can see) at least a hundred notorious kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers. Publish their names. Take away their bread. Appoint hostages ... Make sure that people can see for hundreds of miles around, tremble, know, shout: strangle and strangle bloodsuckers-kulaks "(indication to Penza). In the resolution on the letter to Dzerzhinsky about thousands of captured Cossacks: "Shoot every single one."

[Bloodsucker]

Tom, page, quote, when to what occasion it is said, in the other case, all this is regarded as nonsense.

Quote: Hupfri

In the resolution on the letter to Dzerzhinsky about thousands of captured Cossacks: "Shoot every single one."

And that you are lying, make sure here
http://frallik.livejournal.com/213184.html
and here
http://felix-edmund.livejournal.com/609898.html?t
hread = 3863658

[Hapfri]

make sure here

By the way, the Cossacks were no more no less than a million

[Uncle Murzik]

http://siberia.forum24.ru/?1-12-0-00000080-000-80
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We climbed into the carriage and found 2 more dead people lying on the upper bunks among the living. Almost everyone in this carriage was emaciated, half-dressed, with sunken eyes. They were tormented by a terrible cough. The seal of death lay on them. If help does not come soon, then they will all die. We looked in only a few cars, and at one window we saw a little girl of about 11. According to her, her father was mobilized into the Red Guard. Now father, mother and child are all on this train and everyone will die here.

Something similar was found in other areas. For example, the other day I came across an example of how in 1919 the White Estonians killed the captive commander of the 49th Gdovsk regiment, Ivan Nikitovich Bogomaz. For some reason (obviously, as hostages) they took his family, consisting of his wife and three young children, to the "prisoners of war" camp. This is quite funny, considering that later Estonia had to explain why not only prisoners of war are kept in the camps for "prisoners of war". It should be taken into account that the three children of IN Bogomaz were: son Vsevolod - 5 years old, daughter Nina - 3 years old, daughter Tanya - less than a year old. According to the recollections of Vsevolod Bogomazov, who later wrote a book about this, even an Estonian official was embarrassed when little Tanya had to dip her fingers in ink and take prints on instructions. Although the conditions in the camp were monstrous, the family managed to survive - no one died (see: V.I.Bogomazov. Father. Lenizdat, 1982).

[Uncle Murzik]

I will add that it was not uncommon that the children of the Red Army and Communists, the soldiers of the White armies, were killed in the course of spontaneous reprisals, or, as modern historians prefer to put it, "excesses".

"The White Guards very much offend the population, especially the mothers of the Red Army soldiers were whipped with rods, and the workers' wives and children were loaded with two barges, sent inland and burned when they began to retreat. The residents were very glad that their Red saviors came" (Nizhny Novgorod, July 2, 1919. )
***
“Now I have seen what the whites are doing in Vyatka province. In 30 houses they left one horse, otherwise they all took it. Workers were shot, and corpses were burned at the stake. The peasants there pay heavy taxes; they take 1000 rubles from the poor. White slaughtered more than 300 people, regardless of their wives and children, who have a son, they cut out the entire family ”(Vyatka province, Izhevka, July 14, 1919)
***
“The White Guards intimidated the population that the Reds slaughtered everyone and everything, but it turned out the other way around: for 2 months of their stay, they stabbed out 2000 women and children in Votkinsk, even buried women because they were wives of the Red Army. Aren't they murderers? ”(Votkinsk, July 25, 1919)

[Uncle Murzik]

And here is the Southern Front, an ordinary Jewish pogrom.

Excerpts from the message of the Russian journalist Ivan Derevensky about the pogrom, which was carried out by the Cossacks of the 2nd Terek Plastun Brigade, the regiment is its commander. Belogortsev in Fastov, near Kiev, in September 1919:
... They talk about one case when a living person was thrown into the fire. Some Kixman’s tongue was cut off and a wound with a bursting bullet was discovered (he died). Everyone speaks about the use of explosive bullets, including persons from the medical staff of the Zemstvo hospital. The wounded Markman's ears are cut off. One of the Markman found 12 wounds with sabers, the other - 8. The corpse of the girl M. Polish was found burnt. In one list of those buried (the bailiff’s clerk has it) there are the names of two six-month-old children - Avrum Slobodskaya and Ruvin Konik ...

[Uncle Vova]

Truths for.
Characteristic article. After reading the impression that Kolchak was not a military officer, but a limp-and-dirty mess. Let me describe my version of those sad events. And first you need to examine the entire disposition .. The Bolsheviks, that is, the 1st and 5th armies of the Red Army under the command of Eihe and Tukhachevsky advance along the Trans-Siberian Railway somewhere in the Omsk region, that is, the captivity and execution of Kolchak, the Bolsheviks have nothing to do. Opposes them the 2nd White Army under the command of Kappel, which accordingly retreats along the Trans-Siberian Railway. In the rear of the Belykh, in the Irkutsk region, is the Czechoslovak Corps, Kolchak with headquarters, a golden train. At this time, in Krasnoyarsk, in the rear of Kappel, between him and Kolchak, on the Trans-Siberian line, the Krasnoyarsk garrison of the White Army revolted against Kolchak. The uprising is led by Major General Zinevich Bronislav, along with his headquarters and all the officers. (This is precisely why the Great Ice Campaign of Kappel, shown in the movie, happened, he had to, after unsuccessful attempts to storm the city, go around on foot in Krasnoyarsk). At the same time, an Siberian political center raises an uprising in Irkutsk and leads the uprising of the Central Committee of the Socialist Revolutionary Party. The 53rd Siberian Rifle Regiment, the 38th Infantry Trans-Baikal Army and two battalions of the Irkutsk Territorial Brigade spoke on the side of the rebels. The parts remaining loyal to Kolchak were separated from the rebels by the Angara. The Kolchak government declared Irkutsk in a state of siege. Military units under the leadership of the head of the garrison, General Sychev, took up defense in the city center, awaiting the approach of Semenov and Japanese troops. Immediately after the start of the uprising, the Kolchak counterintelligence began mass arrests of those suspected of participating in the preparation of the uprising. According to various sources, from 60 to 150 people were arrested during the day. The allies, that is, Czechoslovakians at that time stupidly wanted to leave east. None of them wanted to die as heroes. The Circum-Baikal tunnels of the Trans-Siberian Railway were in the hands of the rebels. In addition, the rebels consisted of workers and miners of Cherembass, that is, those people who built these same Circum-Baikal tunnels and, in general, the entire Trans-Siberian Railway. Naturally, the Czechs received an ultimatum to free the captured activists of the Political Center, leave the golden train and get out with Kolchak and all the White parts through these tunnels to the east. Otherwise, the workers promised to blow them up. Kolchak could not allow the 40 thousandth Czechoslovak corps to disappear from the theater of war. He wanted the Czechs to fight and turn into 300 Spartans. And in order to prevent the retreat of the Czechoslovakians, Kolchak takes an adventure in order to provoke the rebels to blow up the tunnels. He gives the order to destroy the captured Social Revolutionaries. Which takes place on the Angara River. 30 people were beaten with clubs and lowered under the ice of the river. Among the brutally murdered were such prominent Socialist Revolutionaries as B.D. Markov, P.Ya. Mikhailov, N.P. Petrov, Ya.F. Tereshchenko, M.P. Khrabrov and Ya.Ya. Aunen, father of the outstanding historian of Siberia, academician A.P. Okladnikova - teacher P.S. Okladnikov, who served in Irkutsk as an ensign of the 56th Siberian Rifle Regiment. However, the rebels, the tunnels do not blow up, but add to the Czechoslovakia the requirement to give them Kolchak. The Czechs agree and "betray" the Supreme Ruler.

[zoolu300]

There is one small unpleasant detail for all Bulkokhrustas who admire Kolchaks, Mannerheims, Denikins, Nikolai No. 2 and "Edrom". In the 20s of the last century, the Bolsheviks in the minds of most of the people won an honest victory, that is, as a result of a bloody "showdown" (war). And you won a victory in the 90s by betrayal and "scammer", that is, dishonestly (not according to "concepts"). So early you talk about your final victory, because until you defended it in the war.

[Hapfri]

For all bakery crunches

I advise all collective farmers to finally realize that they had to pay for the victory "honestly" with millions of victims and the complete de-industrialization of the country.
How the people treated the "winners" - it would be nice for the collective farmers to recall the Tambov uprising and the uprising of the Red Guards in Kronstadt. That is, the common people hated the winners. And when the Chekist yoke fell, then everything collapsed. Lies cannot reign forever.

[zoolu300]

Anarchism is not bad on the scale of the village (this is about the Tambov and Kronstadt uprising), but on the scale of the country, death. But who then carried out industrialization, the Martians?

[Hapfri]

. But who then carried out industrialization, the Martians?

Russia was a country with an AVERAGE level of development of capitalism. That is, a significant industrial base already existed. Then someone, probably Martians, destroyed this base with his reforms.
And already the industrialization of the 30s was repeated, albeit at a terrible price

[Hapfri]

Despite the fact that the models of Russian designers began to be launched into mass production, the lack of a developed engineering industry led to the fact that foreign engines were used in the first Russian aircraft

You would not climb into this subject.
Question to you as a fan of climbing the network. What imported engines did the USSR buy or steal from Western developers?
Hispanic Suiz, BMW, Wright Cyclone.
M62, BK 105, M105.
See for yourself, or suggest. And by the time of implementation, the motors were already outdated, but there were no specialists of their own.
They were either shot or they fled. Seversky, Kartveli and Sikorsky made half of American aviation.
ALL THAT WAS IN THE USSR HAD WESTERN PROTOTYPES
Everyone was sitting here except Yakovlev. Tupolev, for example, sent to America the drawings of a fighter (for Messerschmidt) in the wing of the plane, which was piloted by Chkalov. Tupolev was so beaten that he signed everything. Bartini was shot. Sat Myasischev, Petlyakov, Korolev, Glushko .... Polikarpov .. Langemak shot ....

For 10 years, to do what RI was not capable of for a hundred years, from 1817 to 1917.

Yeah ...... RI really was not capable of such atrocities.

[Hapfri]

LET THE LIST SUBMIT.
Ok so sit
Roberto Bartini, aircraft designer;
Valentin Glushko, designer of rocket and space technology;
Dmitry Grigorovich, aircraft designer;
Kondratyuk, Yuri Vasilyevich - designer of wind power plants;
Leo Kopelev, writer, literary critic;
Korolev, Sergey Pavlovich, designer of rocket and space technology;
Kerber, Leonid Lvovich, specialist in long-distance radio communications;
Myasishchev, Vladimir Mikhailovich, aircraft designer;
I. G. Neman, aircraft designer;
Petlyakov, Vladimir Mikhailovich, aircraft designer;
Polikarpov, Nikolai Nikolaevich, aircraft designer;
A. I. Putilov, aircraft designer;
Lev Sergeyevich Termen, creator of thereminvox;
Tupolev, Andrey Nikolaevich, aircraft designer;
Chizhevsky, Vladimir Antonovich, aircraft designer;
A. M. Cheremukhin, aircraft designer;
D. S. Makarov, aircraft designer;
N. I. Bazenkov, aircraft designer, deputy Tupolev
A. S. Fanshtein, major chemist;
Shpitalsky Evgeny Ivanovich, professor chemist, member correspondent USSR Academy of Sciences, organizer of work on the creation of chemical weapons.
THIS IS ONLY ACADEMICS

[Hapfri]

GENIALLY NOT SO

[zoolu300]

Yeah, the Russian Empire was a state with a very average level of development of capitalism. Please remind me how much Russian industry produced its own tanks and aircraft engines during the First World War?

[Hapfri]

, The Russian Empire was a state with a very average level of development of capitalism.

WITH AVERAGE.
This is information from the sovetsky history textbook. Russia had every chance to catch up with the advanced countries.
Germany also did not produce tanks. Yes, and the aircraft did not do enough. We have already discussed all this.

[Uncle Murzik]

! First of all, Russia even lagged behind the USA, England, Germany and France in industrial production volumes. Its share in the total industrial production of the five powers listed above was only 4,2%. In world production in 1913, the share of Russia was 1,72%, the share of the USA - 20, England - 18, Germany - 9, France - 7,2% (these are all countries with a population 2-3 times smaller than Russia ) And this despite the fact that in Russia in 1913 there was a record (80 million tons) grain crop. In terms of per capita gross national product, Russia was inferior to the United States - 9,5 times, England - 4,5, Canada - 4, Germany - 3,5, France, Belgium, Holland, Australia, New Zealand, Spain - 3 times, Austria-Hungary - 2 times.
Russia not only "pulled away", but continued to lag behind - in 1913 its GNP correlated with the GNP of Germany as 3,3 to 10, while in 1850 the ratio was 4 to 10.

[Hapfri]

Russia not only "pulled", but continued to lag

YOU USE A COMMUNIST PRESS, THE ONLY PURPOSE OF WHICH WAS TO PROVE INSUFFICIENCY OF THE ECONOMY OF RI.
But it is not
From 1900 to 1913, exports of Russian goods doubled, significantly exceeding imports. In 1913, export amounted to 1,52 billion rubles, while import amounted to 1,37 billion rubles (in previous years the difference was greater). Due to the positive trade balance, there was a constant increase in gold reserves (on the eve of World War II, it amounted to 1,7 billion rubles and became the third in the world).
. "Backward" agriculture.
Between 1908 and 1912, compared to the previous five years, wheat production increased by 37,5%, barley - by 62,2%, oats - by 20,9%, and corn - by 44,8%. It was Russia, and not the USA, Canada or Argentina, that was the main world exporter of grain: in the years of a good harvest (for example, in 1909-1910), their export accounted for 40% of the world export, in the years of a poor harvest (1908 and 1912) it decreased to 11,5 ,1913 %; in 30 - 8,1% (XNUMX million tons).
Moreover, not only agriculture, metallurgy, oil and forestry sectors have successfully developed, but also the most advanced: chemistry, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering (from 1909 to 1913 the production of internal combustion engines grew by 283,5%), aircraft construction (suffice it to name the most powerful in the world aircraft “Vityaz” and “Ilya Muromets” I.I. Sikorsky).
In 1908, universal free primary education was introduced and 10 schools were opened annually (already in 000 there were more than 1911, of which 100 were parish), as a result of which, by 000, the illiteracy of the young generation was to disappear. (In 38, according to Soviet data, 000% of youth from 1922 to 1920 years old could read and write, and they learned this before the revolution, and not during the years of the Civil War)
On the eve of the war in Russia there were more than one hundred universities with 150 students (in France - about 000 students). Many universities in Russia were created by ministries or departments (military, industrial, commercial, spiritual, etc.). Education was inexpensive, for example: at prestigious law schools in Russia it cost 40 times less than in the USA or England, and poor students were exempted and paid scholarships.

[Uncle Murzik]

And again, back to industry. Remember on which aircraft Utochkin and Nesterov shone? Nieuport, Farman, Bristol-Bulldog, Sopwich, Fokker. England, France, Belgium ... but not Russia. For 1914-1917. only 94 "Ilya Muromets" were assembled, and the engines and devices were imported.
What about cars? Ford, Mercedes-Benz, Fiat, Renault, Peugeot. And where are the Russian companies that manufacture cars completely (from raw materials to the finished product), they are not.
German and Swedish turbines, English gyrocompasses and rangefinders were mounted on Russian destroyers, cruisers and battleships.
I’m analyzing Russia's lags in such detail in order not to savor them. No. I am no less proud of D.I. Mendeleev, K.E. Tsiolkovsky, many other talented scientists and engineers. I remember that the first diesels and motor ships were created in Kolomna, I remember that the destroyers of the Novik type and Russian steam locomotives were considered the reference, I remember that Russia is the birthplace of the radio, but, unfortunately, these were only rays of light in a general joyless the picture.
Recall that Mendeleev and Sechenov (the pride of Russia !!!) were balloted at the Academy of Sciences (if only they were Germans ...), the inventor of radio communications Popov remained a modest teacher at the naval school.

[Uncle Murzik]

here you have Hapfi, eat with a bun, not from Soviet sources! At 24472 factories there were only 24140 electric, steam, diesel engines (with an average power of 60 hp). That is, not even every plant had at least one engine. Here you have the "advanced technology." Russia was 10 times behind the United States in terms of energy and mechanical availability, 5 times behind England, 4 times behind Germany, Belgium and New Zealand. Let us add one more interesting fact: in 1913, there were 3,035 million telephone network subscribers in the USA, 797 thousand in Germany, 536,5 thousand in England, 185 thousand in France, and 110 thousand in Austria-Hungary ., in Sweden - 102 thousand, in Denmark - 98 thousand, but in Russia - 97 thousand subscribers. And this is at Russian distances ...
In 1913, Russia imported from other countries more than 1 million tons of steel and 8,7 million tons of coal.
Here are a few more figures. In 1913, the USA smelted 25 million tons of steel, Russia - 4,2 million tons, over 5 years in the USA steel production increased by 5 million tons, in Russia by 1,7 million tons (average 1 million ., and 0,34 million tons per year). 1% of the increase in steel production was pulled in the USA by 200 thousand tons, in Russia by only 25 thousand tons - in 8 times less.
The level of labor productivity in industry in Russia was less than: in the USA - in 9 times; in England - 5 times; in Germany - 4 times.
In 1909-1914 the British riveted 64 large surface ships, the Germans 47, the French 24, the Italians 16, Russia, with attempts, completed and re-created 10 surface ships of the class battleship-cruiser. And this despite the fact that in Russia military spending in 1908-1913gg. accounted for 32 - 33% of the total state budget.

[Uncle Murzik]

In 1911, Colonel of the General Staff, Prince Bagration, wrote that of the three guys it’s difficult to choose one suitable for service, and forty percent of the new recruits, as it turned out, ate meat for the first time in their life ... ”
“From 1908 to 1913, about twenty-two thousand peasant uprisings were recorded in the country. Revolutionary agitation has absolutely nothing to do with it ... Every third peasant farm is horseless and plowed upon itself. Means of cultivating the land - 5,5 million iron plows, 3,6 million wooden plows, and 8 million wooden plows ... "
"For 1914, there are more than 14 epidemiological infectious patients in the country, in acute form - tuberculosis, gonorrhea, syphilis, leprosy, cholera, typhus. And more than 037 latent carriers. Registered only in the European part - in the remote regions of the Great Empire there is no one to register, it is tight with both doctors and paramedics. "
"In 1912, there were 1747 metalworking enterprises in Russia - from factory to workshop, with 283 employees. Some of them did not produce any marketable product - tram, carriage and locomotive depots, ship repair plants. In Germany at the same time - 771 factories and mechanized workshops and 2 workers. "
"Germany was Russia's main trading partner in the West; in 1913, the pre-war year, 30% of all Russian exports, up to 47% (almost half) of all Russian imports over several years came from Germany, and with Austria-Hungary taken into account, more than half."
reference from the book of M. Galitsky “Foreign capital in Russian industry before the war” (M., 1922): “Coal mining in 1912 at the mines of 36 joint-stock companies of Donbass amounted to 806,78 million pounds. 25 JSCs had almost exclusively foreign capital, they mined 95,4% of the coal from JSC production. The boards of 19 of these 25 AOs were in Belgium and France. More than 70% of the total coal production in the Donbass was in the hands of foreign companies ... About 90% of the platinum production in Russia was in the hands of foreign companies ... In addition to the concentration of more than 3/4 of the oil trade in Russia, in 1914 foreign financial syndicates had their own oil production in about 60% of the total imperial production ”
“At the beginning of the reign of Nicholas II, foreigners controlled 20-30% of the capital in Russia, in 1913 - 60-70%, by September 1917 - 90-95%”
“Minister of Finance, I. A. Vyshnegradsky:“ We must export (bread), even if we die ”

[Uncle Murzik]

HERE YOU ARE ALREADY ABOUT THE EXPORT OF GRAIN GENTLEMEN VRAL HAPPY Very interesting data on the export of bread abroad. In 1910-1913, grain harvest in Russia averaged about 82 million tons per year (with a yield of 8 centners per hectare !!!), the annual grain export - 10 million tons. At the same time, bread consumed per person per year in Russia was 345 kg, in the USA - 992, in Denmark - 912, France - 544, Germany - 432 kg. Sugar in Russia consumed only 6 kg, in the USA - 30, in England - 32, in Germany - 16 kg.

[VDV1985]

just in the subject - even the heroic cruiser "Varyag" was built in England.
And according to Hapfrey - giving percentages without numbers, you can even make a locomotive of development (in%) from Lesotho by bringing several tractors to process the fields. By the way, this way people are stupefied today, when they carry out data on economic growth of 7% in India - they began to use excavators in construction instead of workers, and immediately crazy growth

[rjxtufh]

Quote: VDV1985

even the heroic cruiser Varyag was built in England.

1. What is heroic in Varangian?
2. It was built in the USA.

[VDV1985]

I agree, in the usa. And what about heroism - not surrendering and speaking in the minority against the enemy of your country is this your way? is it normal for you to immediately raise your paws? just do not immediately need to talk about imperial wars - ordinary soldiers show heroism when they fight for the HOMELAND. not for a king or a tyrant.

[rjxtufh]

Quote: VDV1985

And what about heroism - don't give up

Yes? But what then served in the Japanese fleet under the name Soya (宗 谷)?
Isn't that the one that didn't give up?
As far as I remember, the Korean did not give up. This is how one should sing, "... Our proud Korean does not surrender to the enemy ..." And not fantasize.

[Uncle Vova]

That is, Kolchak himself is to blame for his own death by provoking the Socialist-Revolutionaries when he executed 30 prominent figures on the Angara. The Bolsheviks, contrary to popular belief, were not involved in his execution, at that time they were several thousand kilometers in the west. In general, during the entire Civil War, only 1 prominent figure of the White movement - Baron Ungern, who was demonstratively tried in compliance with all formalities, was captured by the Bolsheviks. The rest was caught only at the end of 2MB.

[VDV1985]

You just need to leave history alone and avoid harsh assessments of the actions of such outstanding personalities. As a geographer, he was an outstanding personality. As "the king of all Russia" - most likely not. Where was he when the provisional government removed the tsar from power (just don't say that the Bolsheviks did it)? By the way, that provisional government is a complete analogue of Yeltsin's rule - anarchy, nepotism, lawlessness of hucksters and breeders. So why did the honor of an officer leap up to him only after this booth was removed by the Bolsheviks ??? Is it because the blue blood did not want to rub shoulders with the "cattle"? And according to the Soviet regime, I would advise you to read open sources, and not the personal opinions of liberals or patriots, but, for example, data on electricity generation in Russia and the United States in 1914 (which is presented to us as the heyday of Russia), and data on the same indicator in 1923m. And also the volumes of steel and pig iron smelting. And since the nomenklatura ate in 3 throats on the sly and impunity allowed them to think that it should be so, they wanted to legitimize it, which led to the year 1991 and, later, to the Yeltsin Center.

[Grim Reaper]

I read the comments with interest. And Humphrey is a Cossack sent - so beautiful pi ... cough, to speak 10 percent of the truth, spicing everything else with outright lies .... These are not emotions, there is a "furry paw" here.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Ecilop

I read the comments with interest. And Humphrey is a Cossack sent - so beautiful pi ... cough, to speak 10 percent of the truth, spicing everything else with outright lies .... These are not emotions, there is a "furry paw" here.

There are two of them, Humphrey and Alexander.

[Hapfri]

There are always few decent people. Around mostly bastards

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Hupfri

Hapfrey Today, 11:17 ↑ New
There are always few decent people. Around mostly bastards

Well, you yourself are decent, obviously in a hurry to reckon.

[Hapfri]

I just turn to common sense.
Deny dogma, look at life with an open mind

[Hapfri]

here you can feel the "furry paw".
..

What else does it seem or seem to you there.
The ghost of communism?

[Uncle Murzik]

Hapfrey no you your dad Goebbels seems

[Rastas]

Aleksander,
And what kind of democracy was there in the elections in the CSS? during the voting itself, both the casting of votes on an empty sheet of paper and the prohibition of women from voting, the destruction of the Bolshevik lists and the distribution of only campaign materials from the right parties were noted. In a number of localities, by willful expression of the old administration, ballots were issued only literate, individual factories and villages simply lost their right to vote. But even under such conditions, the left pariahs of the Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries received a majority compared with the right. Given the attitude of the white to the left, it is doubtful that they would have come to terms with such a CSS. Civil war was inevitable.

[Hapfri]

Given the attitude of the white to the left, it is doubtful that they would have come to terms with such a CSS. Civil war was inevitable.

That is, now civil war is inevitable.
You have already stocked up with salt and matches, hurry up.
Vague assumptions about the future and another rebellion in the rear of a warring country are one thing.

[Aleksander]

Quote: Aleksander

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Ignorant, read and shut up

Isn’t it really embarrassing, huh?
You are caught dead to rights at sheer ignorance, and you don’t know elementary things, stating:

The Bloodsucker Baltic. February 1917 of the year, fully occupied by German troops. In the territory Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia are formed government bodies Management

.
THREE Ignorance in ..... ONE sentence, but like a goose with water, the bloodsucker does not recognize!

Funny....

[Bloodsucker]

Download further, you have shown yourself to be a complete ignoramus.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Download further, you have shown yourself to be a complete ignoramus.

How does your nose feel in the odorous pools you made, and where did I poke you, so ignorant?
Have you finally studied the feast of February 23? Shame .....

[Bloodsucker]

The only thing you did was leave a puddle beneath you, and now you are in miasma. You are hallucinating.
Download further, correct the saucepan.

[Aleksander]

You breathe the miasma of YOUR lies that you are trying to fill in with.
Poisoned miasma, I must admit, since you post that "Latvia" and "Estonia" were occupied in .... February 1917.

[VDV1985]

Absolutely right - there was no occupation in 17m. all Baltstrans have not ceased to be golden for Germany since the time of Alexander Nevsky

[Mikado]

Bloodsucker,
if we talk about the number - here the Italian grandfather is clearly lying. And it is very interesting - italians are in last place (why not Slovaks? Not Spaniards?). Where did he get the information about the Finns, whom he interviewed, the Finns fought on a slightly different sector of the front (I agree about their atrocities). And the bulk of the Russians were, it turns out, killed by the White Guards ?? A very convenient position of a EUROPEAN (while referring to a nation that is pathologically unable to fight, as in that joke, "give the fool a glass ...") - the Russians destroyed the Russians. The bulk of civilians were killed by the Germans and "Soviet citizens", for it is very difficult to distinguish who is more to blame - a German officer ordering the burning of the village, or well-wishers from the nearest shotsmanschaft, consisting of former kulaks, criminals, nationalists and Soviet prisoners of war (probably among them and former communists met).
God be with him, even if the White Guards were all so bad - you regret that any of them survived during the Civil? That is, it was necessary to cut them all? Regardless of gender, age and sexual orientation? I am writing these words now, and I am scared. I do not know the answer to this question. In terms of effectiveness, yes, it was. And white officers should not sit in the Crimea, while Slashchev defended Perekop, do nothing, and wait by the sea for the weather and mercy of the Bolsheviks, for the war was to destroy classes! From a human point of view, I would not want to be in their place.

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Mikado

the last place he has Italians

Because in World War II, the Italians, unlike the Hungarians and Germans, did not differ atrocities

Quote: Mikado

the bulk of the Russians was, it turns out, interrupted by the White Guards ??

Exactly. And no other way.

Quote: Mikado

Do you regret that any of them survived during the Civil?

I regret that the main culprits of the Civil among the Whites arrived too late, the rest is your imagination.

Quote: Mikado

And white officers should not sit in the Crimea while Slashchev defended Perekop, do nothing, and wait by the sea for the weather and mercy of the Bolsheviks, for the war was to destroy the classes!

You probably don’t know that Frunze, proposed to Vrapngel, to solve the problem bloodlessly, surrender the troops, promising life. Wrangel refused, forbidding to bring this to his troops, but managed to rush off leaving hopelessly opposed, as a result, if the enemy does not surrender, they destroy him .

Quote: Mikado

From a human point of view, I would not want to be in their place.

From the point of view ... it was not necessary to fight against the people.

"It seems that the matter will again end up cutting out the gentlemen. But God forbid to see the Russian rebellion, senseless and merciless. And the blame for everything will again be the master's and bourgeois greed, the same senseless and merciless. It is best if this most odious part of the comprador and criminal bourgeoisie and Putin will deal with the nomenclature in a planned manner. But, apparently, not destiny, he has some kind of agreement with them YET. This agreement breeds permissiveness and impunity, even more corrupts the gentlemen and the bourgeoisie, and all this abundantly feeds and stimulates corruption. infuriates honest people regardless of social status, standard of living and education. What the working class says and thinks about it in kitchens and over a "glass of tea" is simply impossible to convey in the language of normative vocabulary. But mankind has accumulated tremendous experience in fighting corruption throughout its history and a presumptuous oligarchy. "The author of this quote is often published here. He already understands all the law it starts.
https://topwar.ru/75312-kazaki-v-vermahte-i-ss.ht
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And so, go through the comments, read the links.
And take into account, for 1000 books of all kinds of different liars, such as the cutter, corned beef, falcon, and others like them, only 1 ONE is allowed to print, in which all their trembling is decomposed into components and it is clear that they LIE like breathing, for a good fee, burping 90 ....

[Mikado]

The Italians did not know how to fight, from the word "completely."
I ask you to clarify on the facts of the cutting out of the civilian population by the White Guards. Again, which ones? Who were in the Soviet Union and were waiting for the Germans to come? These are already Soviet citizens! Okay, let them be White Guards too. Or those who came along with the Nazis? Then how many should have been. I have not heard anything about the formation of units from the White Guards. The topic is very dangerous, we are "blocking" the Germans.
I do not want to shield anyone among whites. But .. Do you think that in the 17th year there were no lynching, killing of officers, robberies and expropriations? I imagine the situation: an drunk comes to me who regularly urinates on the stairwell, and says - by the decision of some incomprehensible committee, you must refuse this, the third. And with him a group of comrades, including a number of clearly criminal faces. Do you know which building was first destroyed during the February Revolution? The building of the Petrograd District Court, and with it a file cabinet! Given the "open" Crosses (the main prison), several thousand criminals appeared on the streets, who immediately became "freedom fighters", and, for example, actively participated in the "searches". About sailors - a separate issue, their anarchy eventually led to the Kronstadt rebellion.
I’m just talking about the fact that time was vague, and we wouldn’t want to live with you then. and each side had its own truth. IMHO, those who committed war crimes and helped Hitler are clearly subject to conviction.

[Cat]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Kitty Today, 11:05 ↑

Actually + from me, but ....
There they are expensive !!!?
What did you want to say with that? Three !!!, this I understand emotions, bezopelatsionnost "and other excesses", but after that suddenly ?, reads like a doubt in the chosen line. Or Klava again, or emotions again? Understand and do not bring doubt into the slender ranks.

Yes, emotions are possible. For he was brought up in the Russian tradition "about the deceased, either good or not." Is it easy to judge everyone and everything after almost a hundred years? Yes, simpler, simpler. Who are the good red or white? And if my great-grandfathers fought for both the Reds and the Whites, my blood is mixed up to the revolutionary intelligentsia, the Ural Cossacks and the Ural workers. My ancestors served in the gendarmerie, the RI police, the NKVD and the police. They built the Belomor Canal, were repressed like kulaks and guarded Stalin's headquarters. Yes, what can I say, I am a descendant of my grandfather, who participated in special operations for the expulsion of both the Volga Germans and the Chechens and Crimean Tatars. My relatives perished from the White Terror, and one great-grandfather managed to fight for the Whites and the Reds.
I just fulfill the covenant of my duty, to remember everything and to be able to forgive my conscience.
Regards, Sorry for the emotions!

[Retvizan]

ran over the comments, rather heatedly discussed. And this is life and there is no black and white in it ... all are colored ..
In the United States, it seems that they reconciled the parties to the civilian, but they had it a century earlier. The Britons generally slaughtered the Scots and fought with them for many years, still do not really like each other but live together.
But Russia always has its own path, we can remember for a long time, and be vindictive and forgiving.
We love alternative alternative ..
And what was, was, and was scary .. civil is the worst war .. it was only a hundred years ago ..

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Aleksander

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Your knowledge on the topic-ZERO.

Comrade Crap !! What are you doing ?!

You WHY deleted your famous comment that you posted in already in ten articles, deprived of this all readers of your valuable knowledge ?!

Indeed, for my comments to him you called me a liar ten times, zero, you sent me to clean the corn, wash the porches!
AND TIME - removed! How so? Did you really read the textbook and understand what deepest puddle you got into?

So honestly admit that you froze nonsense and apologize, at least.

If not, then I make a brief analysis of the so-called. The "facts" stated by you in it, in the context of "was / was not" and I ask all recognized signs of the VO to impartially say "yes / no". There are not seven, but 12 non-existent facts.

Tired of, you know, your endless "liar, liar, shut up, corn, etc."

In the meantime, I post it, because he is in a dozen other articles, let everyone look:
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Quote: The Bloodthirster

Who arranged the collapse of the country, the Provisional Government

Poland. 5 November 1916 year, the creation of the Kingdom of Poland, recognized by the Provisional Government 17 March 1917 year.

Finland. 2 March 1917 years - the termination of the Personal Union with the Principality of Finland. In July, 1917 of the year announced the restoration of independence of Finland. Final recognition of Finland coming out in November 1917.

Ukraine. 4 March 1917 years - the formation of the Ukrainian Central Rada, 2 July 1917 years The Provisional Government recognizes the right of Ukraine to self-determination.

Belarus July 1917 of the year, the Central Council was formed in Belarus and the Declaration of Autonomy was drawn up.

The Baltic states. February 1917 of the year, completely occupied by German troops. On the territory of Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia government bodies are formed.
Bashkiria (Ufa province). July 1917 of the year, the All-Bashkir Kurultai creates the Bashkir government, which is charged with formalizing the autonomy of the region.
Crimea. On 25 of March 1917, the All-Crimean Muslim Congress was convened in Simferopol, in which 1500 representatives of the Crimean population took part. The Provisional Crimean-Muslim Executive Committee was elected at the congress, which was recognized by the Provisional Government as the only plenipotentiary and legal administrative body representing all Crimean Tatars.
Tatarstan (Kazan province). The 1-th All-Russian Muslim Congress in early May 1917 in Moscow adopted a resolution on territorial autonomy and federal structure.
Kuban and the North Caucasus. May 1917 of the year. Creation of territorial self-government bodies within the framework of autonomy.
Siberia. The conference in Tomsk (August 2-9) of 1917 of the year adopted a resolution "On the autonomous structure of Siberia" within the framework of a federation with self-determination of regions and nationalities

Lies, this INFORMATION is not in dozens of articles, LATER where did you study? But only in those where I posted it, and its primary source is a comment of my friend, in another resource, so you stop clowning around
In addition, deleted comments, in your opinion, say only about your failure to answer them, jumping in comments, just not to answer, repeating comments requiring an answer to your jumps are troll receivers, which in essence you are.
So in the mirror yourself and more often, Mr. liar.
With regards to corn, here it is grown in sunny Moldova, what do you care about the internal problems of Russia?

[Hapfri]

With regards to corn, here it is grown in sunny Moldova, what do you care about the internal problems of Russia?

So, after all, your Khrushchev, the secretary general, unforgettable planted corn wherever possible and impossible. So God himself told you to do corn. So to speak, to continue the work of the party.
You Communists should repent to the people for the crimes committed.

[Bloodsucker]

[quote = Happfree] Happfree [/ quot
Lawyer?
Or something else? However, your opinion, because of your absolute ignorance, does not bother me at all.

[VDV1985]

As for repenting - the mouth is obstructed, since who should repent in the first place is still unknown. Yes, and change the flag - and then ugly, when you live and shit in one place.
And for all the stubborn Communistophobes - this is the story of MY HOMELAND (not yours). AND SHE IS ALWAYS RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOMELAND!

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Lies, this INFORMATION is not in dozens of articles, LATER where did you study? But only in those where I posted it, and its primary source is a comment of my friend, in another resource, so you stop clowning around

Any article is the property of the author. The individual who prints them WITHOUT the instructions of the author is a crook and a thief deceiving both readers and the author. You posted an ALIEN article in SEVERAL articles on WITHOUT the author’s instructions.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

In addition, deleted comments on your clause

Do not have enough mind to realize that SUCH your comments are a TALE in order to lower you below the floor? Why should I delete them ?! .
You yourself wipe up your "ambrose" puddle .. lies.

In fact my question

So honestly admit that you froze nonsense and apologize, at least

do not want to answer. Okay, I act as I promised: I will send your nonsense to VO experts and they will impartially confirm your ignorance and get wet an individual — it's not about evaluations (they are different), but about FACTS.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

repeat comments requiring an answer to your

So ANSWER ONCE once in essence. But you are afraidonly meaningless rudeness in response

Quote: The Bloodthirster

So in the mirror yourself and more often, Mr. liar.

It's nice when you are so

Quote: The Bloodthirster

With regards to corn, here it is grown in sunny Moldova, what do you care about the internal problems of Russia?

Russia, my friend, this is not what the communist ghouls slaughtered, inventing the urine and Moldavia, but much more (see the textbook for the 4 class)

[Bloodsucker]

Quote: Aleksander

Russia

Russia is not Moldova, so we’ll do without your advice.
As regards communism, which has never been seen before, what you are talking about is not clear, there would be one of the attempts to build socialism, a temporary defeat is not the end of the Idea.
And finally, the words of K. Shahnazarov deserve much more faith than some Moldavian scribbler by the nickname Alexander, and he said, two ideas are fighting in the world Socialism and Liberalism, and so the victory in any case will be for the first.

[Aleksander]

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Russia is not Moldova

Moldova (part of Bessarabia), conquered and improved by Russia, is RUSSIA.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

so do without your advice

Without ridiculous unlucky loser commies, we will definitely do.

But one like you, you must save: as a member Red Book endangered squad true ideological communists. That is, not those who were eager for power through any party (VKPb or the SR, LDPR, they do not care what) and not those naive ordinary communists who were fed stupid tales of communism. And those who are well aware of the wild victims of his comm mode, but who justify them and are now ready for the same. But-rejected them, disappear.
Therefore, we urgently need this - on the reddest velvet, under thick glass, to the museum and - to pin it forever. Below is a sign: "I was scary, I became funny. But, remember."

Quote: The Bloodthirster

With regards to communismthat you haven’t anywhere else, what are you talking about.

Why do I need this rotten junk ? we are not talking about that.

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Byda is one of the attempts to build socialism, a temporary defeat is not the end of the Idea.

This, however, this-end

Quote: The Bloodthirster

Socialism and Liberalism, and so the victory in any case will be for the first.

Wait

But according to the comment, you did not answer ANYTHING.

You, sorry, DO NOT RESPONSE for your words. They filled the articles of the site with ignorance (also stolen from other authors), printed them, and then - into the bushes - I'm not me and not my hut.

Something is missing, apparently: responsibility for YOUR actions, honesty and ....

[VDV1985]

Dear, it’s time to decide - either the damned communists are the enemies of the whole progressive, or they pulled the dummies by the ears in the 20th century. And such hatred of communism is surprising - apparently. brains are well washed (or sat behind currency fraud, but now businessEsmEn ) capitalism will have a dirty track record more authentic. But, apparently, those who write like that love drovers over them - since attempts to equalize people without regard to their matstate of people like you are annoying. I want to be an overseer and spit on those below.

[RUSS]

Good news.
At the site of the death of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich, a stone was laid at the base of the memorial cross.

01.11.16/1905/1918, laying a stone in the base of the memorial cross at the Nikolskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin at the site of the death in XNUMX of the former Moscow Governor-General of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich. The Russian military-historical society will restore the monument, which was here until XNUMX.

[Reptiloid]

Well, the news is that it’s not gratifying to think of it. It seems that this is a military-historical society that keeps Mannerheim’s board in St. Petersburg.

[VDV1985]

rjxtufh,
So are we talking about the Japanese or about the "Varangian"?

[Ilja2016]

"And the Irkutsk rebels more insistently demanded that the Czechs extradite the admiral"
The author calls his people rebels. Well, we arrived

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Aleksander

Quote: dgiguli1962

and he is dear.

the road to Aleksadr Vasilievich in immortality and glory. Bolshevism disappeared ignominiously and forever
The memory of the great Russian Admiral is alive among the Russian people.

Monarchist probably. Oh sorry for me you monarchists

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Mikado

The Italians did not know how to fight, from the word "completely."
I ask you to clarify on the facts of the cutting out of the civilian population by the White Guards. Again, which ones? Who were in the Soviet Union and were waiting for the Germans to come? These are already Soviet citizens! Okay, let them be White Guards too. Or those who came along with the Nazis? Then how many should have been. I have not heard anything about the formation of units from the White Guards. The topic is very dangerous, we are "blocking" the Germans.
I do not want to shield anyone among whites. But .. Do you think that in the 17th year there were no lynching, killing of officers, robberies and expropriations? I imagine the situation: an drunk comes to me who regularly urinates on the stairwell, and says - by the decision of some incomprehensible committee, you must refuse this, the third. And with him a group of comrades, including a number of clearly criminal faces. Do you know which building was first destroyed during the February Revolution? The building of the Petrograd District Court, and with it a file cabinet! Given the "open" Crosses (the main prison), several thousand criminals appeared on the streets, who immediately became "freedom fighters", and, for example, actively participated in the "searches". About sailors - a separate issue, their anarchy eventually led to the Kronstadt rebellion.
I’m just talking about the fact that time was vague, and we wouldn’t want to live with you then. and each side had its own truth. IMHO, those who committed war crimes and helped Hitler are clearly subject to conviction.

Oh, how anti-Sovietism is rushing out of man You drink drops

[Ilja2016]

I am calm towards anti-advisers. I regret their poor. I advise you to drink sedative droplets

[mvbmvbmvb]

To dogs - a fair punishment !!!!