In Russia, tested hypersonic missile "product 4202"

On Tuesday, the Russian military conducted a successful test of a hypersonic aircraft labeled “4202 product” (15Ü71), which reaches speeds up to 15 Max, according to News.

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The rocket, developed by the NPO Mashinostroeniya, was launched from the Orenburg Region and hit the target at the Kamchatka Kura range.

“The hypersonic aircraft 4202 is designed to be installed instead of traditional warheads on promising intercontinental ballistic missiles. The product begins to work at a height of about 100 km and flies to the target at a speed of 5 – 7 km / s. Before entering the dense layers of the atmosphere, directly above the goal of the USPP, it makes a difficult maneuver that makes it difficult to intercept it with anti-ballistic missiles, ”the article says.

The project of hypersonic units ("Albatross") appeared in the USSR in the middle of the 80-x. Then it was closed. Resumed in the middle of 90-x under the designation 4202.

According to a source at Roskosmos, “the successful flight tests of the 4202 product were preceded by a large-scale import substitution program: the task was to get rid of the management system previously manufactured by Kharkov enterprise Khartron and some other components.” The program was successfully completed, which made it possible to resume testing.

“On-board equipment, electronic systems, as well as the control system are now fully composed of Russian components. The product no longer has foreign components. A report on this will soon be submitted to the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the government, ”he said.

He noted that “the task of complete import substitution of the GZLA filling was set by the NPO Mashinostroenie already in the 2014 year, the deadline for completing the work was set before the end of the 2016 of the year”.

Editor-in-Chief of the Internet project Militaryrussia Dmitry Kornev: “In 4202, initially there were not so many foreign components, but the key element of the product, the control system that controls the flight of the HMLA, its hypersonic maneuver and targeting, was made by a Ukrainian enterprise. According to the information available, the NGO began to develop a new management system back in 2014. In all likelihood, it began to be tested last year, however, both 4202 launches in 2015 failed during the year. But the launch of 25 in October this year was a success, which testifies to the successful work of the NPO Mashinostroeniya on import substitution. ”

Comments

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

I feel soon someone will burn something. The main thing is that the Commander-in-Chief of the "persuasion-agreements" would not be fooled like a hump on the INF-87.

[Observer2014]

Inhabitant of Mordor

I feel soon someone will burn something. The main thing is that the Commander-in-Chief of the "persuasion-agreements" would not be fooled like a hump on the INF-87.

Will not lead! Wait "Status 6", this will be a topic for negotiations. And there is no point in new ICBMs without these blocks.

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

IMHO of course, but it seems to me that "Status 6" and a similar horror story. Realism, he is such realism, you know.
But I will be glad to make a mistake.

[cniza]

On Tuesday, the Russian military conducted a successful test of a hypersonic aircraft with the designation "product 4202" (15Y71), with a speed of up to 15 Mach

Howl will rise, but the negotiability of our "partners" will increase day by day.

[Red_Hamer]

but the negotiability of our "partners" will increase day by day.

Rather, the public will be handed out for "defense", when will such a case itself "fly in"?

[Observer2014]

"Status 6" is an excuse to grab your partners' heads and yell Russian barbarians kill! A great abstract topic for new ICBMs with "product 4202" on board. Our partners have an excellent democratic situation of choice. Either get "Status 6" in the gut or "product 4202" will fly over the head. Putin is able to negotiate! He rolled them essentially "Two Ways"
P / S Who can post an anecdote from YouTube about "Two ways"

[svd-xnumx]

P / S Who can post an anecdote from YouTube about "Two ways"

Hold

[i80186]

Yes, the RS-20 (R-36M among the people) already had maneuvering individually induced blocks. A familiar rockete told me a secret here. So don’t worry, everything is there.

[A jacket]

Everything is cool, but one "BUT" confuses:

the control system that controls the flight of the GZLA, performing a hypersonic maneuver and aiming at the target was made by a Ukrainian enterprise.

This means that everything that Ukrainians have managed to accumulate for two years already, as Americans digest.

[Observer2014]

A jacket

This means that everything that Ukrainians have managed to accumulate for two years already, as Americans digest.

If you found a cigarette lighter from a new car. That does not mean that you can find out at least something about this car. Besides the brand of this car.

[Shadow of darkness]

But this is you in vain. This is a control system, which means they will receive control algorithms. Ours will need to rework all the algorithms for calculating the trajectory, otherwise this rocket will be worthless.

[Temples]

Where did they get the algorithms?

The hard drive manufacturer knows in advance what information will be stored on it.
Such logic?

[Rus2012]

Quote: Temples

Where did they get the algorithms?

... well, let’s even suppose that they could know the composition of the 1,2 SU test model. The control algorithms were worked out on an equivalent-simulator with model test flight profiles.
Ну и что?

While experimental prototypes are becoming more expensive than serial ones, a lot of water will leak, and a lot of things in the composition and algorithms will change. Roughly like heaven and earth ...

[Shadow of darkness]

The control system is not a hard drive. I don’t know how the flight program is poured: before launch or at the production stage, I think that you don’t know either, but if you know by what algorithms the trajectory is formed when overcoming the air defense or missile defense system, you can create air defense programs that will be synchronized calculate the position of the rocket and direct anti-missiles on them with a high degree of accuracy. It's like playing cards on which the suit is applied on both sides.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Shadow of the Dark

on air defense systems that will simultaneously calculate the position of the rocket

... milchel, do you know anything about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? Try to build from it a "synchronous" trajectory of intercepting a maneuvering target with the available means (SM3, Patriot ... S400).

I think A135 will be able to intercept a dozen targets with selectable nuclear warheads with the whole arsenal ... and EVERYTHING! 11-I break through ...

[Rus2012]

GZLA - moves in space towards the target, randomly changing the flight parameters in pitch and heading. To destroy it, it is necessary to "block" the entire probabilistic "pipe" of its possible movement. Only "nuclear interception" is capable of this, and then with reservations.

[Shadow of darkness]

... didn’t, do you know anything about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

What are you rushing about with the theory written for the quantum particles of the microcosm? The rocket is not a quantum and belongs to the macrocosm, which means that all of its wobbling along its trajectory is amenable to conventional calculations based on known laws. The result of a rocket flight should also be unambiguous: this is a defeat of the target, which means that here too we must allow natural things. Therefore, the "random" trajectories of missiles are actually pseudo-random, respectively, formed by special programs, random number generators and algorithms. Not evading air defense means is the main task of the missile, but hitting the target, but how the missile will enter the target, knocking down the air defense guidance, along which trajectory - this is the algorithm of the control system. Knowing by what criteria and with the help of which programs this trajectory is formed, it is possible to calculate the maneuvers of the rocket after entering and starting the operation of these programs.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Shadow of the Dark

along which trajectory - this is the algorithm of the control system. Knowing by what criteria and with what programs this trajectory is formed, it is possible to calculate missile maneuvers after the entry and the beginning of the operation of these programs.

As you know, there is an 2 way to intercept:
1. to the "lead point", usually a radio command
2. "homing", with the withdrawal of the anti-missile to the target capture area.
Now imagine that to intercept a target "maneuvering" at Mach 15, you need to scan its trajectory not in "three points" (as for intercepting a ballistic target) to build an interception trajectory, but much more often (by orders of magnitude).

Moreover, even to intercept a simple ballistic head - the capabilities of RT / radar services were already "at the limit". Those. you will not be able to build a three-dimensional trajectory of the maneuvering GZLA in real time! This means that a probabilistic problem is looming on the horizon. Moreover, even if you know the amplitudes of possible yaw in roll and pitch (based on the strength constraints of the target), you will not be able to calculate and know exactly where the probabilistic "pipe" will be located. Because each object will have its own individual, non-repeating tracks. Depending on the final parameters of the carrier at the time of undocking, specific individual mass dimensions of the HZLA, individual control of the control system, the individual efficiency of the executive control surfaces (they burn out and erode, and the geometry of the HZVA with an ablation coating changes) ... etc. etc.

And for a "homing" antimissile aki SM3 - it is still more deplorable, it will have to maneuver with overloads at least an order of magnitude more than the GZVA goes to the goal and have energy 2-3 times more than the hour available (and this is the mass and dimensions will also limit overload sportiveness). Dot!
In general, all this is described by the Heisenberg equations in relation to the macrocosm :)

[Rus2012]

You don’t trust me, here’s the topic of the statement of a senior ex-chief of staff of the missile and space defense forces, Lieutenant General Anatoly Skolotyan -

“The fundamental difference between anti-aircraft missile and missile defense is that the combat calculations of the air defense system accompany the target almost to undermine the warhead of the anti-aircraft guided missile, and the anti-missile system (PRK) fires at a pre-empted point," Skolotyany explained.

According to the expert, the basis for missile defense is the hypothesis that the target moves uniformly along a ballistic trajectory. It is in accordance with it that the digital computer complex PRK calculates the point where the missile is aimed.

“However, if the combat block of an intercontinental ballistic missile flies at hypersonic speeds, and even maneuvers along the flight path, then this will make missile defense very difficult, and in most cases impossible.

This is even more true when there is an inter-atmospheric interception of a target, ”said Lieutenant General Skolotyany.

According to the military leader, in the case of maneuvering combat units, the missile attack warning system (SPRN) or, as it is called in the USA, the missile warning system will experience significant difficulties.

Usually, the SPRN after two serifs of the target “ties up” the track and determines the place and time of the fall of the combat unit. However, if the target begins to make unpredictable maneuvers, a continuous tracking mode of the combat unit is necessary, and determining the exact place and time of its fall is very complicated.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Shadow of the Dark

This is a control system, which means they will receive control algorithms. Ours will need to rework all the algorithms for calculating the trajectory, otherwise this rocket will be worthless.

...Well?
The theory and practice of creating UBB has long been known ...

From here - https://topwar.ru/80035-razmyshleniya-na-temu-obs
uzhdeniya-proekta-4202-v-zarubezhnyh-smi.html
The main implementation.
And as you know, it is impossible for an observer to predict at any moment the location of the GZLA or at the same time accurately describe the law of its movement (from the applied application of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) :)))
For he constantly maneuvers relying only on his guided logic and instantaneous values ​​of the measured flight parameters at a given time ...

[Vadim237]

One feature of the US missile defense and missile defense system will see all missile launches from our territory in real time, as well as conduct warheads and highlight them - they have a lot of satellites with infrared cameras and over-the-horizon radars - and every year there are more of them.

[Stas157]

Quote: Vadim237

One feature of the US missile defense and missile defense system will see all missile launches from our territory

So what? Let them see. They can’t do anything anyway! The same as seeing a bullet flying in your forehead, and with horror to understand the inevitability of this.

[Vadim237]

If they see them, it means they will have time to raise the planes and bring all the missile defense systems into a combat state - and you will not see the bullet comparing it with a far-fetched bullet.

[BARKAS]

The rocket, developed by the NPO Mashinostroeniya, was launched from the Orenburg Region and hit the target at the Kamchatka Kura range.

In hypersound? And what is the effect of the collision?

[Muvka]

It is believed that the power from shock in hypersound is about 1 Kt.

[Shadow of darkness]

It is believed that the power from shock in hypersound is about 1 Kt.

Where does this information come from? To get energy per kiloton, you need to spend energy on the same kiloton plus losses. What, the launch vehicle for launching this rocket weighed several thousand tons? Do not spread nonsense!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Jacket

This means that everything that Ukrainians have managed to accumulate for two years already, as Americans digest.

... It can also be assumed that the specific creators of these miracle devices, along with the documentation, have long been drinking teas from Pilyugins ...;)))

[vkl.47]

in that year they howled when they tested this 4202. and they tested it in space. It’s a war block and it will pass 《Sarmat》. How they will intelligently bring up this topic. No crap about it. Guaranteed destruction. If there is a threat to launch a rocket at launch from the mine, why don’t our engineers install any electronic warfare system in the rocket to disable the guidance heads of the interceptor missiles. I think you can do it. The rocket flies out and that's all ... nothing will stop it. Only the self-destruct button on duty will not care about their pro in europe

[sub307]

Inhabitant of Mordor
"The main thing is that the Commander-in-Chief ..."
The main thing is that the next "commander-in-chief" does not succumb ... the presidential elections are not far off, and the "product", as I understand it, will not be ready "tomorrow."

[Averias]

Russian President Vladimir Putin, speaking at a meeting of the Valdai international discussion club, said that the time for retirement had not yet come for him.

It seems to me that he said a lot.

[Kasym]

These missiles are for hitting an enemy missile defense system, the rest is Poplar, Sarmatians, etc. finish it.

That is why the Yankees bear teased (the Caucasus, Georgia, Ukraine, etc.) - now dust has to be swallowed in many directions. The Navy and Air Force are all that remain of the US advantage.
BTT with the advent of Almaty, Kurgan, etc. everything needs to be changed, modernization will not help to overcome the backlog. The US has new armored personnel carriers and armored cars, but this is a minuscule compared to the new wave in Russia.
The importance of air defense in Syria has all shown to add electronic warfare systems. Here, NATO is also lagging behind.
Even Trump says about nuclear weapons and carriers.
Missile weapons for all purposes. RF in the development of missiles for aviation, Iskander, anti-ship missiles, etc.
And how much should you pay to compensate for the lag? , after all, they should be the first everywhere - Syria showed them how much. And they needed it all! "Amazing iota id"!

[Vadim237]

Syria has shown only that our electronic warfare systems are useless against foreign technology, complete carelessness in organizing the escort of humanitarian convoys and military transport helicopters, as well as organizing rescue operations - the "Syrian knot" will not be unleashed for another year

[Smog]

And faster into service, as quickly as possible.
And for import substitution, we can when we want. (True, Wishlist occurs most often when a roasted cock bites in the ass) !!!!

[Wedmak]

True Wishlist occur most often when a roasted cock bites in the ass

Or a life-giving kick from the president. Everything is found at once, starts to work, "unsolvable" issues are solved. Here, like it or not, manual control of the country.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

Or a life-giving kick from the president. Everything is found at once, starts to work, "unsolvable" issues are solved. Here, like it or not, manual control of the country.

So the Voivode’s service life was extended THREE. Where else to renew it? In the year 20, the deadline ends, so by that time Sarmat should be tested and put into service. Moreover, few people talk about Sarmat's younger brother, Rubezh. And there will be enough surprises for the adversary too.

[nik-karata]

not so long ago, our generals became nervous that the American missile defense system can bring down non-hypersonic aircraft at the initial stage of flight. From the article it is clear that The product begins to work at an altitude of about 100 km ..... expert opinion is interesting ... Well, about the speed of 15Max, we can say that this is super gut !!!

[Inhabitant of Mordor]

When there are such problems in reality they are not talked about openly.

[VP]

No one was nervous. There was a fake.
How, damn it, to shoot down "at the initial stage of flight" a rocket launched from somewhere from Uzhur?

[Seaman77]

Thanks for the news, but we already know. Old 26 explained everything on Tuesday. When this very "Stiletto" was launched.

[Zubr]

Well this is absolutely wonderful. Well done, straight joyfully, they are quick, however. As the gene. Designer R-36M2 UTKIN: "We had no right to lose"

[Machete]

15 to 20 mach is cool.

[Muvka]

So that’s why the Stylet was launched on the 25th ...

[UnclePasha]

Oh, she, however, hello. As I understand it, missile defense systems are too tough for them .. !!! Bravo!!!!

[hydrox]

And not only ...
There, you still need to reach the carriers, but this is also not an easy task.

[NEXUS]

Quote: UnclePasha

Oh, she, however, hello. As I understand it, missile defense systems are too tough for them .. !!! Bravo!!!!

And even promising. The warheads then maneuver in hyper sound, while the ICBM itself flies most of the way in the atmosphere. In general, while the adversary will not be able to interrupt this card, either with railguns or a laser.

[rotmistr60]

developing speed up to 15 Mach

Here you can only wish good luck in testing and adoption.

[Vadim237]

Unless airborne missile defense carriers appear in the US and NATO.

[Rokossovsky]

the task was to get rid of the control system previously manufactured by the Kharkov enterprise "Khartron"

I suspect that Harton’s achievements are already being thoroughly studied by American experts ...

[Watchdog]

15 max ??? !!! Guys, 15 MOVES !!! And she still maneuvers when approaching the target?!?

[Vadim237]

In the early 70s, our missile defense missile - 5Ya27 was accelerated to such a speed, later on its base they created the 53T6 Gazelle rocket

[cedar]

"... “In 4202, initially there were not many foreign components, however, the key element of the product - the control system that controls the flight of the GLA, its hypersonic maneuver and targeting, was made by a Ukrainian company. According to reports, in 2014, NGOs began developing a new management system. In all likelihood, it began to be tested last year, but both launches of 4202 in 2015 were unsuccessful. But on October 25 this year, the launch was a success, which testifies to the successful work of the NGO engineering on import substitution»."

A very, very urgent task for modern Russia. Get rid of foreign "components" in the system of government ... the state, the economy, culture, the media, and, as a result, the power structures and the entire Russian society. Now these elements-agents in Russia are like fleas on Bobik. "They ride and laugh, chew Parmesan ..."
"... the task was to get rid of the control system ..." So, with the help of 4202, we must get rid of the control system, external control of Russia.
The unique GLZL glider has a decent goal-control centers. Let gay people know. No matter where in the Earth their cube is built, the snake snakes count osnew (Kolos) stick.
Russia, full speed ahead!

[parkello]

there are good news. hmm ... and then I was completely turned limp.

[vkl.47]

Quote: Observer2014

"Status 6" is an excuse to grab your partners' heads and yell Russian barbarians kill! A great abstract topic for new ICBMs with "product 4202" on board. Our partners have an excellent democratic situation of choice. Either get "Status 6" in the gut or "product 4202" will fly over the head. Putin is able to negotiate! He rolled them essentially "Two Ways"
P / S Who can post an anecdote from YouTube about "Two ways"

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[cap]

According to a source at Roskosmos, “the successful flight tests of the 4202 product were preceded by a large-scale import substitution program: the task was to get rid of the management system previously manufactured by Kharkov enterprise Khartron and some other components.” The program was successfully completed, which made it possible to resume testing.

The most difficult language is Russian. The Japanese still cannot translate the word "Arctic fox" correctly.
Toli is a person who writes, or maybe this is the end of the world.
Where is the logic?
In English, the translation in my opinion sounds something like this:

"For England and America came to an end".

This is in terms of commentary on the article.

[Scalpel]

Up to 7 km / s actually.

[Damir]

There are two conclusions: first, the "gas station" country has declared its undisputed world technical leadership in hypersonic technologies; second, we are waiting for the appearance of American anti-missile launchers in Ukraine ...

[kytx]

"it's too early to talk about the indisputable world technical leadership in hypersonic technologies", your urapatriotism is off the charts.

"launchers for anti-missile missiles in Ukraine" no, we do not expect. 1.such things will not drag to a country where a citizen is in full swing and finally a fierce mess 2. vacationers can go on a dark night to wonder what kind of wunderwolf this is 3. from a political point of view, this is arrogance, arrogance that will not leave

[Damir]

Nobody has 15 mach yet !!!! so - UNCONDITIONAL TECHNOLOGICAL PRIMESTY !!!!!!!
for the rest:
1. Donbass will be cut out and the "citizen" will stop or do you believe in the "humanistic ideals of American democracy" ???? By the way, a mess is treated in the same way ...
2. Protection, Protection and Protection again (and not in vain with a capital letter) ...
3. They do not give a damn about any other opinion .. from their point of view - there is the US OPINION and insignificant cries of local Indians who should be disposed of using the same .... someone from our political scientists counted the number of treaties and agreements violated by the USA and the like .... more than a hundred have happened in history ...

[kytx]

1. cheto 2.5 years all cut and not cut
2. protection is very expensive and tedious and not guaranteed
3. "meaningless screams of local Indians," and I really wrote a thread about local Indians?
tell me which thread the country is not a member of NATO and where there is no network of US bases but there is a global missile defense. Something I doubt what you call. probably for a reason.

[Damir]

1. And they will not cut it out ... the cutout has not grown (this is not a contradiction), just if they really need the territory .. yes, the current ukrohunta is already in the position of "what you please", given their values, this is called cancer !!!
2. There are specialists and they ..
3. Any attempt at a popular protest during the deployment of US weapons will be severely suppressed .. the launchers are from the ABM only on the site https://topwar.ru/102623-chetvertyy-element.html#
comment-id-6330416 ... "the deployment of US missile defense systems in Europe is a legend of cover for medium-range missiles equipped with nuclear warheads that have highly maneuverable properties throughout the entire flight path, which means they can easily overcome the enemy's air defense system" that is the gun is at our head ...

[kytx]

"deployment of US missile defense systems in Europe - a cover legend" what does Europe have to do with it? like they talked about Ukraine.
but how many people there have flies about it, they won’t write about it in VO.
amers over the rail have both aegis and means of communication are the best in the world only xs will there be any sense

[Damir]

About Ukraine ... only the settings will be the same if it comes to Ukraine and you don't need to be fooled by their missile defense system ... ordinary launchers for conventional medium-range missiles with nuclear equipment ... about the speed in MAX in the first lines of the article .. railgun it is expensive to build in ukraine with an eye on us ... launchers are cheaper .... the point is that if we have a weapon that cannot be intercepted at the final stage of the flight, then it must be hit on takeoff, because at no start it picks up 15 MAX - " Hypersonic aircraft (GZLA) 4202 is designed to be installed instead of traditional warheads on promising intercontinental ballistic missiles "- that means you need to move the launchers closer .... and again - Thinking about the consequences is not about the last years of American politics ... they are" exclusive " the instinct of self-preservation seems to have turned off completely ...

[demchuk.ig]

Quote: Jacket

This means that everything that Ukrainians have managed to accumulate for two years already, as Americans digest.

I think electronics is not as important as software.

[Watchdog]

Well guys, check and checkmate!
Russia has a Sarmatian.

[viktor.]

one hundred pounds in the west diapers soared in price

[MarioG]

Another diaper reader , in the "west" they work and not monitor your fuss with the next toy.

[the lord]

How thee bombarded!))) About how "in the west" they work heard a lot on the example of the processing of military plutonium - a lot of lards in their pockets, and the result is zero

[KLV]

How tired of "witty" commentators with diapers and diapers ...

[Darth Revan]

In fact, this is a finished kinetic weapon. At this speed, no warhead is needed - the warhead is so impressed with the target that it will be like in Hiroshima!

[demotivator]

Quote: Vadim237

We had such a speed at the beginning of the 70s that the missile defense - 5Я27 was accelerated,

We, as always, have a history of the creation of "hypersonic weapons" - a chain of scientific feats and bureaucratic crimes. In the USSR, such a system was independently (!) Developed by the "Raduga" design bureau back in the late 70s as the X-90 missile. In 1980, the Kh-90 prototype reached a record speed of Mach 3-4, after which ... the project was closed, although in 1983 it was already planned to be put into service. As you can see, "delayed a little", about 35-40 years ... But from the point of view of PR, of course, the action was a success - something flew there, and quickly, quickly. And clever words: hypersound, Mach number, warhead ... "Swift jack" ...

[Vadim237]

Unfortunately, the X 90 rocket was too large - now compactness is expected and expected.

[Sotskiy]

Well done! If it has flown where it should be, then the control problem in the plasma stream has been solved. The next stage is a training ground in Syria? Practice first!

[LVMI1980]

I ask you not to confuse the control system and the algorithm (similar to a PC and a program)

[fa2998]

Quote: Damir

Nobody has 15 mach yet !!!! so - UNCONDITIONAL TECHNOLOGICAL PRIMESTY !!!!!!!

I’m grieving you a bit - everyone who has an ICBM at such a speed attacks the targets. 7 km. \ S. Is the speed of war blocks. Here, instead of purely ballistic elements, an agile warhead was put on the ICBMs, although this is a good and useful business!

[Damir]

It is the maneuverable warhead ... Nobody can maneuver at such speeds !!!!! that's why PRIMESTY !!! I'd really like of course to please the device with an air launch and the ability to maneuver and such high-speed performance, but I think that everything is ahead ...

[Zomanus]

Well, as they say, with an initiative. Now work out the guaranteed stable operation of the delivery, breeding, target designation and other things.
Damn, this is how we depended on Ukraine until the 2014 year ...

[Old26]

Quote: vkl.47

in that year they howled when they tested this 4202. and in space they tested it. It’s a war block and it will pass 《Sarmat》. how they will intelligently bring this topic up.

How many emotions. They tested it already 4 times, but it seems that they tested it 20 times

Quote: vkl.47

they tested it. It’s a war block and it will pass 《Sarmat》. how they will intelligently bring this topic.

4202 is the same combat unit as I am the Chinese emperor. And what, will they put on Sarmat? Whispered Shoigu in your ear? 4202 - this is not a combat unit, the media do it out of it ....

Quote: vkl.47

why don't our engineers install some sort of electronic warfare system in the rocket. to disable the heads of the guidance of interceptor missiles. I think you can do this.

Another wunderwaffe connoisseur. And how will your electronic warfare work if the rocket you plan to install it ceases to exist in 3-5 minutes ....

Quote: Kasym

These missiles are for hitting an enemy missile defense system, the rest is Poplar, Sarmatians, etc. finish it.

In the title of the article RAVE, and you repeat it. With what dampness did 4202 suddenly become a rocket ???

Quote: Smog

And faster into service, as quickly as possible.

Which is faster? Technology demonstrator?

Quote: NEXUS

So the Voivode’s service life was extended THREE. Where else to renew it? In the year 20, the deadline ends, so by that time Sarmat should be tested and put into service. Moreover, few people talk about Sarmat's younger brother, Rubezh. And there will be enough surprises for the adversary too.

Andrew! "Rubezh" is the same younger brother of "Sarmat" as you are the younger brother of the heir to the English crown, the prince .... I don't remember the name, but he is 3-4 years old.
“Rubezh” has already been tested, “Sarmat” did not even have throws. The unborn "Sarmat" cannot be the older brother of the already existing "Frontier"

Quote: NEXUS

And even promising. The warheads then maneuver in hyper sound, while the ICBM itself flies most of the way in the atmosphere. In general, while the adversary will not be able to interrupt this card, either with railguns or a laser.

Well, Andrei, to be honest, you hit me. I have never noticed behind you a tendency towards drowsiness and hatred. And here it’s not a railgun, not a laser. What has 4202 become so "indestructible-indestructible"? especially with the use of missile defense on other principles?
Well, your phrase was amusing that rockets fly most of the time in the atmosphere. And where did she fly the first few minutes of the flight, when she had not yet reached the heights of space?
The warheads will then maneuver in hypersound, that's just what this maneuver will be. Most writers already imagine that she will work out aerobatics. At such speeds and accelerations?

Quote: Watchdog

15 max ??? !!! Guys, 15 MOVES !!! And she still maneuvers when approaching the target?!?

So 15 Machs or maneuvers when approaching the target? When approaching the target, it will have speeds 2-3 times less than 15M. It is constantly slowed down in the atmosphere ... When maneuvering at 15M in a PSA, it simply burns out

Quote: Watchdog

Well guys, check and checkmate!
Russia has a Sarmatian.

Russia has him, Sarmatia NOT YET

Quote: demotivator

was developed by KB "Raduga" in the late 70s as the X-90 rocket

I always bastard from the mention of the X-90. Journalists finally moved out, the more their roof went down, mentioning the X-90.
PANCAKE!!!!! In the Soviet Union and Russia, the X index for the air-to-ground class is given only in one case - WHEN INSTALLING THE PRODUCT FOR WEAPON. How can we talk about the X-90 rocket when it was not implemented.

Quote: kytx

and where there is no network of US bases but there is a global missile defense

Do not repeat journalistic cliches. There is no global missile defense and cannot physically exist. Not in terms of interception, not in geography. No country in the world has been given the chance to create such a system, if only because it is impossible to achieve 100% interception, especially with a massive strike and because of the nightmarish cost of such a system ...

Quote: Sovetskiy

Well done! If it has flown where it should be, then the control problem in the plasma stream has been solved. The next stage is a training ground in Syria? laughing Practice first!

And before there were control problems in the plasma flow? On the Buran, for example, or on the shuttle? Or is the problem with the controlled warheads coming from the plasma stream?
Well and how without reference to Syria. everyone is ready to put there for testing, including strategic nuclear weapons. Tell me, n.a.h.r.r.e.a and test it in Syria? Or just to blurt out something ura-patriotic ??

[voyaka uh]

This device is a new warhead for ICBMs, as I understand it.
Any ICBM warhead is hypersonic for 60 years.
Maneuver is possible only on a high, horizontal section of the trajectory.
The maneuver is very limited, otherwise the cone will deploy and it will go off the main track
irrevocably.
Warheads descend to the target with hypersonic speed along a steep ballistic
trajectories, gradually braking about the air. Here maneuver is no longer possible.
I did not understand what's new in this device?

[Operator]

You are a resident of Israel - and it explains a lot

The flight path of any BB is ballistic by definition (parabolic); they do not contain a single horizontal section. BB maneuvering is only possible in the final section of the trajectory after entering the atmosphere at an altitude of 100 km.

The angle of entry varies from 30 to 45 degrees depending on the firing range. The distance of BB decrease in the atmosphere is from 200 to 150 km, respectively. Deviation during BB maneuvering can reach 10-20 km in the transverse direction and 100-200 km in the longitudinal. BB speed decreases from 7 km / s upon entering the atmosphere to 3,5 km / s near the ground (for the case of firing at an intercontinental range).

Russian maneuvering BB 15Y71 created for the first time in the world. Why is no one else shmog - hands are crooked, apparently.

[voyaka uh]

"Maneuvering of the BB is only possible that on the final section of the trajectory after entering the atmosphere at an altitude of 100 km." /////

When descending to the target, the BB is almost no different from a hot meteorite.
In addition, the fuse will fire at a height of several hundred meters.
The cone goes strictly down, any maneuvering will cause the surface to overheat
on one side and the destruction of the cone.

[Operator]

The conical body of the BB does not go strictly down at an angle of 90 degrees, but flies along a parabola at an angle from 30 to 45 degrees. The surface of the body is heated to 3000 degrees Celsius without any maneuvering. Heat is removed from the body by ablation (sublimation) of a special coating.
The body in flight rotates slowly in order to evenly distribute the heat.

During an air blast, the fuse is triggered by an inertial GOS, which determines the height with an error of 150-200 meters. All other methods of determining the height are impossible due to the plasma cloud accompanying the BB from an altitude of 70 km to the ground itself.

[_Slavs]

Previously, on the surface of the cone (as well as the shield of the descent vehicle) there was a coating of tar (though not ordinary - from some kind of deposit) with ceramic filler. Ablation (sublimation) - the tar burns in Russian, and ceramic elements do not allow it to burn everything at once. The fluidized bed flies away, the next boils and flies away - the cone heats up less.

[voyaka uh]

Correctly. And the coating should fade evenly on all sides,
so that the cone could dive intact to the height of the blast.
Any maneuvering violates the uniform burning of the layer, its burning
through and through in some place, which will lead to self-destruction of the warhead.

[Operator]

BB during descent in the atmosphere rotates around its axis for uniform ablation of the protective coating.

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

Russian maneuvering BB 15Y71 created for the first time in the world. Why is no one else shmog - hands are crooked, apparently.

As it turns out, little is needed to increase self-esteem. BeAndrey! While the maneuvering unit of the project 4202, as it were easier to say, it is not known how and how much it can maneuver. It is not even known whether he even has an engine or maneuvers in non-motorized mode. Then the range of maneuver is further narrowed.
So far, only 3 countries are working in the direction of hypersonic flight in the interests of the Moscow Region. This is Russia, USA, China. It is possible that in the near future India will join this troika.
But if in the American X-51, in addition to the accelerator, the role of which in our case is played by a 15Y71 ballistic missile, there is also an engine, then

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

Russian maneuvering BB 15Y71 created for the first time in the world. Why is no one else shmog - hands are crooked, apparently.

As it turns out, little is needed to increase self-esteem. BeAndrey! While the maneuvering unit of the project 4202, as it were easier to say, it is not known how and how much it can maneuver. It is not even known whether he even has an engine or maneuvers in non-motorized mode. Then the range of maneuver is further narrowed.
So far, only 3 countries are working in the direction of hypersonic flight in the interests of the Moscow Region. This is Russia, USA, China. It is possible that in the near future India will join this troika.
But if in the American X-51, in addition to the accelerator, the role of which in our case is played by a 15Y71 ballistic missile, there is also an engine, then

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

Russian maneuvering BB 15Y71 created for the first time in the world. Why is no one else shmog - hands are crooked, apparently.

As it turns out, little is needed to increase self-esteem. Indeed, in order to think that this unit was created for the first time in Russia and has no analogues, it is enough to just delete from history all that the competitors did. And then we get the only one created in the world and having no analogues

Andrew! While the maneuvering unit of the project 4202, as it were easier to say, it is not known how and how much it can maneuver. It is not even known whether he even has an engine or maneuvers in non-motorized mode. Then the range of maneuver is further narrowed.

So far, only 3 countries are working in terms of hypersonic flight in the interests of the Moscow Region. This is Russia, USA, China. It is possible that in the near future India will join this troika.
But if in the American X-51, in addition to the accelerator, the role of which in our case is played by the 15Y71 ballistic missile, there is also an engine, then it is not known what engine the Yu-71 has and whether it exists at all. And about the fact that "not shmogli crooked" - read the materials online. And you will find out that Americans have been testing since 2000, with failures at times, but there are achievements

[Operator]

The fact of the matter is that the United States and China are only "working in the direction", while Russia's maneuvering BB is already flying. It has no analogues, period.

Give a link to the American trials of their miracle of Judah, plz.

[ride78]

It has no analogues and the point .. I patstalom. How do you want something, but ... Well, such as you, the main thing is to say that yes, there are, experienced, super wunderwaffle, and sleep already. Sarmatians and Almaty are already plowing space))

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

The fact of the matter is that the United States and China are only "working in the direction", while Russia's maneuvering BB is already flying. It has no analogues, period.

Do you seriously think that everything is fine with us, everything flies, and they only work for them?
The previous two launches before launch on October 25 were unsuccessful, although this was not said openly. For in general, they tried not to mention the final result, only the very fact of the test. And only in the last did they mention Kuru. So it flies with us "through the stump-deck"

As for the adversary. His work was more localized in terms of creating truly hypersonic missiles, and not just maneuvering warheads
The same Americans are working in parallel on at least 5 projects. And the same X-51 flies quite steadily, the range is already over 700 km. The Falcones were not tested very well, they reached a speed of 20M during testing, although they did not reach the declared range. And this has been since 2000. So they have, and not only curvature. And about 4202. There is no guarantee at all that it will be exactly on the Sarmat. It is quite possible that the product of the next, third generation, about which we do not know anything yet

[Operator]

Do not mix God's gift (maneuvering warhead) and fried eggs (hypersonic cruise missile). The former is over-relevant in breaking the missile defense system; the latter is fucking nobody needs.

It is well-known that the experimental product flew to Kura, and what kind of serial BB will take for ICBMs, SLBMs and RSDs is a secondary issue.

The domestic space and rocket industry rules, however.
Let's drive the 4202 aspen stake into the coffin of the adversary

[voyaka uh]

"It is not necessary to mix the gift of God (maneuvering warhead) and scrambled eggs (hypersonic cruise missile). The first one is over-topical for the missile defense breakthrough, the last one is not needed by anyone" ////

The usual simple (and universal) approach to problems: when something does not work out, you must loudly declare it "fucking useless."
And the fact that, at the very least, is advancing: "over-topical."

[Rus2012]

Quote: voyaka uh

the last fuck nobody needs

... by the way, my Jewish friends call the aircraft on the scramjet - "Jewish toys", try to guess why? ;))))

[fa2998]

Quote: Damir

I'd really like of course to please the device with an air launch and the ability to maneuver and such high-speed performance, but I think that everything is ahead ...

You Damir did not understand. To achieve such speeds, you need an ICBM power. If you want an air start, tie the Topol to the Tu-160, and you will have a speed of 15 M at the end section. In general, a hypersonic apparatus is considered if it develops 5-6 M And yet, no one wrote that the device maneuvers at maximum speed. It is gradually decelerated by the atmosphere (and burns like a car) and most likely it starts to maneuver at the same 5-7 M.

[cat hippopotamus]

Good news, good! Americans nervously smoke.

[Old26]

Have you been taking it since yesterday? Drop this thing. Alcohol in such doses has a bad effect on logical thinking.

Quote: Operator

Do not mix God's gift (maneuvering warhead) and fried eggs (hypersonic cruise missile). The former is over-relevant in breaking the missile defense system; the latter is fucking nobody needs.

You speak the truth. But our corrupt officials cannot prove this. N.I.H.R.E. and a hypersonic cruise missile is not needed, but they continue to do it with perseverance worthy of better use, moreover, they even try to push it into service, contrary to logic (after all, nobody needs it). They even gave it a name, "ZIRCON" is called ...
Oh damn. Absolutely reported. This is our hypersonic cruise missile. It is needed in order to drown the American AUGs, but the American GKKR - nobody really needs to fuck it. Oh well

And the American Falcon, is it needed, what do you think? Or AHW? I think probably also are not needed, based on the same logic ...

Quote: Operator

It is well-known that the experimental product flew to Kura, and what kind of serial BB will take for ICBMs, SLBMs and RSDs is a secondary issue.
The domestic space and rocket industry rules, however.
Let's drive the 4202 aspen stake into the coffin of the adversary

Of course not the point. Even if it will not be 4202. But the 4202 aspen stake must certainly be driven in ....

[Operator]

It’s not good to crop other people's quotes in terms of emoticons

CR "Zircon" is super-, not hypersonic.

[Old26]

Quote: cat hippo

Good news, good! Americans nervously smoke.

with their five designs being tested against our two? And who smokes nervously?

Quote: voyaka uh

The usual simple (and universal) approach to problems: when something does not work out, you must loudly declare it "fucking useless."
And the fact that, at the very least, is advancing: "over-topical."

Simple, but universal. We don’t do it, so it’s not needed. Hundreds of examples

[Operator]

The 15-year budget cut with the American X-51 is not our method.

Hypersound as a concept applies only to aerodynamic aircraft with an air-jet engine. Due to their relatively low speed, the UAVs have a much longer flight time to the target than the BB of ballistic missiles with the same weight return of the carrier structure.

At the same time, GLA shine in the infrared and radio ranges like Christmas trees on the entire flight path, in contrast to BBs, which are detected only after entering the atmosphere (1 is the percentage of the trajectory length, in airless space they are masked by a cloud of false targets).

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

CR "Zircon" is super-, not hypersonic.

What's the matter with you, Andrey? Have you already made the Zircon supersonic? Wow, but all the time "Zircon" was hypersonic, and now the friend has become supersonic? Or maybe you don’t want to admit that you have blamed nonsense by saying that hypersonic maneuvering BB is relevant, but cruise missiles are not?
There is nothing shameful in this if a person admits his mistakes, and does not "stand to the end", supporting the previously said stupidity

[Operator]

1. The problems of achieving super- (up to 5M) or hyper- (over 5M) sound speed lie in the engine:
- in the first case, it is possible to use a once-through exhausted back flow engine practiced in practice with a subsonic flow rate in the combustion chamber;
- in the second case, it is required to create ramjet with supersonic flow rate in the combustion chamber.
The second type of engine has so far failed to work out even at an experimental level. ASM "Zircon" flies at supersonic speed 3M.

2. But the American budget cut for the X-51 is different - starting with the 5M speed, plasma from monatomic oxygen, nitrogen and other air gases begins to form on the surface of the aircraft. When the 10M speed is exceeded, the plasma cloud blocks the operation of the airborne radar and the cruise missile no longer has the ability to hit mobile targets, including surface ships in motion.
Therefore, even in the case of successful development of hypersonic ramjet ramps (when cutting an additional amount of billions of dollars), anti-ship missiles based on it will have speed limits.

3. The most promising anti-ship submarine weapons are medium-range ballistic missiles with a rocket engine and a maximum flight speed of 3 km / s (10M).
When using as fuel a pair of NDMG + AT (spent as part of SLBM "Sineva") in the dimensions of the "Caliber" missile launcher, it is possible to create a two-stage ballistic missile with a flight range of 1000 km, an apogee of a trajectory of 260 km and an approach time of 9 minutes. When descending in the atmosphere, the BB is decelerated from 3 to 1,5 km / s, after which the onboard radar is switched on for homing to the surface target.
The weight of the warhead will be on the order of 200 kg, the power of the nuclear charge is 100 Kt (sufficient to vaporize the aircraft carrier’s hull with a direct hit).
In the case of the use of a nuclear charge with an increased neutron yield in an indirect hit, the radius of destruction of the electronic components of the ship, aircraft and their weapons will be 1,5 km.
A warhead with a conventional fragmentation charge in a direct hit will ensure the ship's failure due to the expansion of high-speed shrapnel (1,5 km / s) after breaking through the deck / superstructure.

[Old26]

Quote: Operator

The 15-year budget cut with the American X-51 is not our method.

And the 26-year-old sawed under the program, which is now called 4202? Or is it not cut?
The hypersonic winged aircraft occupies its own niche and does not pretend to be a controlled ICBM unit. And guarantees of its "evolutions", such which will make them (BB) invulnerable, are not yet foreseen. It is not yet known what evolutions such blocks will make ...

[Vadim237]

4202 is just a warhead, with speeds achieved back in the 70s.