US media vying with each other about developments in the USA of the "newest super-weapon"

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In an american newspaper The New York Times There was a material in which it is told about developments in the USA of new types weapons. In particular, we are talking about tests drone with six screws, which is a flying combat Robot. According to the developers, it is already being tested in the United States.

The first stage of testing, according to the NYT, was successful. Dron was able to detect armed with Kalashnikov assault people in the shelter and conditionally strike at them. Other details about the new type of weapons are not reported. There is no data either about its technical characteristics or about armament. It is not reported whether the mention of the Kalashnikov assault rifle is important here ...



The Journal National Interest There was a material about the attempts of the American "defense industry" to develop a different type of modern weapon, which is conditionally connected with the defense, to put it mildly. We are talking about the project "Swarm" (Swarm), which is a "controlled" group of drones, consisting of several dozen flying objects. According to the magazine, this "Swarm" should be used to suppress modern air defense systems. In particular, the task is to disorient the detection systems, which will lead to striking miniature drones, not US fighters.

US media vying with each other about developments in the USA of the "newest super-weapon"


However, Russian experts believe that in fact for the destruction of "Roy" no advanced air defense systems may not be needed. A system of dozens of drones, which Americans still have to learn how to control as a whole, can be discovered quite simply and even more easily destroyed - for example, with a variant of shrapnel ammunition, which, in all likelihood, could not be used in the United States, calling its Swarm "The newest super-weapon capable of radically changing the balance of forces."

There is an opinion that the American media are trying to impose another arms race on Russia with their messages, which is in the interests of Washington.
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  1. KOH
    +51
    27 October 2016 06: 53
    Destroyer swarm ...)))))
    1. +4
      27 October 2016 07: 58
      Here it is - the most reliable and affordable option.
      1. +3
        27 October 2016 08: 17
        By analogy with a bee swarm, in this swarm you need to find the uterus and destroy it. Without a uterus, a swarm is nothing. And for this, EW is useful. Shrapnel will not go, because this swarm will not fly in heaps, most likely it will be dispersed and getting into it, with this shrapnel, will be problematic.
        1. +7
          27 October 2016 08: 30
          There is no uterus. Roy is decentralized. He does not have a leader.

          The interaction between swarm drones is only necessary
          so that they do not collide in the air and attack
          several pieces on one target.
          1. +2
            27 October 2016 08: 59
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There is no uterus. Roy is decentralized. He does not have a leader.

            The interaction between swarm drones is only necessary
            so that they do not collide in the air and attack
            several pieces on one target.

            And I think there should be a queen-leader (like a small server). All commands are transmitted to it, and from it they are already transmitted to all drones. They must have a connection with each other and they will keep it through the "womb".
            1. 0
              27 October 2016 09: 07
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              And I think that there should be a uterus-leader (like a small server).

              1. 0
                27 October 2016 09: 15
                Vysotsky was 100% right!
          2. +3
            27 October 2016 09: 13
            How is it not? The uterus sits in a white hive.
            1. +5
              27 October 2016 09: 52
              The uterus sits in a white hive.
              There is no womb, there are drones.
        2. +1
          27 October 2016 11: 15
          Everything is as usual, at first Kerry announces a super-secret CIA attack on the Kremlin, now the secret idea of ​​suppressing Russian air defense is put forward for general discussion. Can we still separate the flies from cutlets and not attach serious importance to such stuffing? Because everyone knows that the latest developments, and even more so sabotage, are always classified in any country.
          1. +1
            28 October 2016 10: 20
            Flies are usually separated from cutlets by fly swatters or, for lack of such, a newspaper folded into a tube. This, of course, is an allegory, but the separation methodology, in my opinion, is the only correct one.
            By the way, the swarm of drones is also an allegory, that there is a lot of all kinds of x ... garbage began to "swarm" not far from the borders of Russia. This is understandable, in principle, flies are always there where it smells bad, but isn't it time to roll the newspaper into a tube?
        3. 0
          27 October 2016 19: 46
          Barrage balloons and between them pull the fishing net ... Or powerful fans - all blows :)
    2. +3
      27 October 2016 10: 17
      Apparently, the United States has no measures of influence left. Took on the old way of fanning a myth. Suddenly someone is scared. That is just what the visigoth of the liberals, provocateurs and underworlds will begin.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 17: 12
        Apparently, the United States has no measures of influence left. Took on the old way of fanning a myth. Suddenly someone is scared.
        I read recently that the United States has developed a new weapon based on the latest developments, a variant of the Jedi laser sword. And that in the near future he will go into service with the US Army and its allies. laughing
        1. +3
          27 October 2016 21: 43
          Quote: Orionvit
          In the USA, a new weapon has been developed based on the latest developments, a variant of the Jedi laser sword. And that in the near future he will go into service with the US Army and its allies.

          Not to life! To the Yankees reached the contact, especially HANDMARK - fantastic!
          Well, and if this still happens ... Our paratroopers with their small sapper blades will have fun!
          And God forbid their special forces to get to our construction battalion! Not a single NATO special forces has escaped from scrap!
    3. +1
      27 October 2016 13: 57
      US media vying with each other about developments in the USA of the "newest super-weapon"

      The same is news to me. US cutters worked, are working and will work tirelessly laughing
      So it was, is and will be.
  2. +1
    27 October 2016 06: 57
    We call guards and collectors with shotguns and on command ........ PLI
    1. cap
      0
      27 October 2016 07: 41
      Quote: McLooka-MacLeod
      We call guards and collectors with shotguns and on command ........ PLI


      An air defense hunting brigade is urgently needed!
      What a horror. They’ll destroy the arms race. laughing
    2. +3
      27 October 2016 08: 02
      A system of dozens of drones that the Americans have yet to learn to control as a whole

      Yes, probably now this is no longer a problem

      can be detected quite simply
      ???? Simply belay
      even easier to destroy - for example, a variant of shrapnel ammunition, the possibility of using which in the USA, apparently, did not think

      Baby talk.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 08: 21
        And the strong wind and range of this swarm? An interesting idea, the DRG pours out this swarm near the enemy’s air defense, and at this time the attack aircraft approaches the target. As a result, while air defense officers are trying to shoot a trifle, the main surprise arrives here. Or a drone spills a trifle in the air, right above the target of the strike. And taking into account the technology of a 3D printer, they can be made in the field.
        1. +1
          27 October 2016 08: 45
          Another option, a rocket, instead of a warhead container with drones.
          A shot, anti-aircraft maneuver, throw out the container, then fly as a target
          Roy builds the primary anti-aircraft defense network (REB), 1 hour barrage
          Moved towards air defense
          Shot of the next rocket with drones.
          We build the necessary network density for counteraction.
          We launch the main gift to the target.
          1. +8
            27 October 2016 10: 09
            That is, in your opinion, the air defense is so dumb that it will not distinguish between 20-100 objects with no EPR and a fly speed from an attack aircraft with an EPR of 10-20 square meters and a speed of hundreds of km / h?
            Roy builds primary air defense network (reb)
            What is he building there with such dimensions? How much kW of power is needed to stupidly clog the radar with interference (electronic warfare) and how much does this power weigh in kg? And how much capable of dragging these babies on themselves? And who said that this swarm needs to be fired off, and not stupidly undermine the EMI landmine nearby (not in the air defense position itself).
            Countering such an attack is simpler than creating a swarm. It is enough to include in the composition of the air defense position, in addition to the Shell, also the installation in the manner of a medium-sized multi-barreled or multiple-charge mortar with EMI ammunition. They spotted a swarm - they shot off another EMR charge and blew it up. All this trifle (and even larger devices) is incapable of bearing serious protection against such a blow due to insufficient load capacity. This means that it either shuts down altogether and falls like leaves, or while maintaining the operability of the engine power circuits, the brains will be scorched and there will be no more sense from the swarm than from the clouds.

            And by the way, how many drones and what sizes will the DRG be capable of dragging on itself or delivering quite a medium-sized missile? In order for each dron to have sane defense and payload for attack, they should be quite impressive in size. Otherwise, they will be unable to inflict tangible damage on the air defense technology of the position. But in this case, the question arises of hidden delivery for a sudden blow.
            1. 0
              27 October 2016 10: 30
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Countering such an attack is simpler than creating a swarm. It is enough to include in the composition of the air defense position, in addition to the Shell, also the installation in the manner of a medium-sized multi-barreled or multiple-charge mortar with EMI ammunition

              But are there any installations with EMR ammunition? not bad to give an example :)

              There is also protection from Amy, not from everything, but still

              Quote: abrakadabre
              And by the way, how many drones and what sizes will the DRG be capable of dragging on itself or delivering quite a medium-sized missile?

              just as an example
              Iskander-K warhead weight 480 kg, range 500 km
              The weight of a modern smartphone s7 is 157 grams, taking into account the screen and 8 vigorous processor

              that is, let 500 gr - total 1 Iskander-K fire 960 units of a swarm
              1. +4
                27 October 2016 12: 08
                But are there any installations with EMR ammunition?
                Explosive EMP generators are also available. Or, simply - EMP-land mine, which I mentioned. The radius of destruction of electronics is not as large as in a nuclear explosion, but for a swarm it will be enough - from 0,5 to 2 km, the radius of destruction, depending on the "condosity" of the electronics.
                The mass and size characteristics of such an EMR munition make it easy to shove it into a mortar mine or similar design. So the launch system is not a problem.
                There is also protection from Amy, not from everything, but still
                There is. And above all, on the positions of the air defense themselves. How much of this protection can be constructively shoved into the 500 gram drone you mentioned below, I have little idea.
                Iskander-K warhead weight 480 kg, range 500 km
                The weight of a modern smartphone s7 is 157 grams, taking into account the screen and 8 vigorous processor
                that is, let 500 gr - total 1 Iskander-K fire 960 units of a swarm

                And now let's calculate how much in these 500 grams of drone there will be a payload attack:
                1. Subtract the heaviest part of the structure - batteries and electric motors. I think that it will be at least half.
                Total remains 250 grams.
                2. Subtract the weight of the body and propellers. I think that it is in the range of 50-100 grams. Let it be 50 grams taking into account ultralight plastics, which is not a fact. Total remains 200 grams.
                3. Subtract the weight of the electronic brains, the transmitter for the exchange of information inside the swarm and outside, to the owner. Given the range of the signal for two-way communication with the owner of the swarm, not less than 50 grams. And then, this is already according to very conservative estimates.
                Total we have 150 grams.
                4. Subtract the weight of the control mechanisms (drives), orientation sensors (cameras) (multi-channel, by the way, so that in fog, in rain, and at night ...), aiming and the like. Let it all fantastically fit in 70 grams ...

                Total we have left at the remainder of 80 grams per payload. In these 80 grams you need to shove:
                1. constructive protection against any electronic warfare
                2. the weapon itself is a warhead, for example, or equipment for inflicting electronic warfare on a weapon.

                Well?..

                In the light of protection from EMP, what can fit there to overload a multi-ton installation, which operates in kilowatts?
            2. +1
              27 October 2016 11: 08
              [quote = abrakadabre] That is, in your opinion, air defense is so dumb that it will not distinguish 20-100 objects with no EPR and fly speed from an attack plane with EPR in 10-20 sq.m and a speed of hundreds of km / h? [/ quote]
              No, it just won’t notice him and when WHAT SHOULD fly, drones turn all this air defense into ashes.
              [quote = abrakadabre] How much kW is needed to stupidly clog the radar with interference (EW strike) and how much does this power weigh in kg? [/ quote]
              250 gram of TNT per locator.
              Drone-kamikaze will calmly drag it away
              [quote = abrakadabre] It is enough to include in the composition of the air defense position, in addition to the Shell, the installation in the manner of a medium-sized multi-barrel andwhether a multiply charged mortar with EMR ammunition [/ Quote]

              First, these drones need to be discovered and visited.
              I'm not talking about the EMP mortar belay
              1. +4
                27 October 2016 12: 52
                1. Small ESR does not mean that they will not be noticed at all. Just notice at a shorter distance. Given that ultra-small drones also can’t attack at long range, due to their low payload, this is not a problem. Selection of the target for difference from the attack aircraft is just simplified, due to the sharp difference between the EPR and the speed of the object.
                2. Hovering over a cloud of such drones is enough. In the case of the use of EMR ammunition, which strikes not just in areas, but in large areas (volumes, to be more precise), it is enough to launch in the right direction and undermine in a very approximate vicinity.
                3. The cost of such ammunition allows you to have a very decent ammunition to repel multiple attacks, swarm after swarm.
                4. I repeat for the demented and trying to mow under them: the mass dimension of such ammunition allows it to be shoved into a mortar mine or ANALOGUAL design. Shooting with similar ammunition has been worked out for a very long time. Therefore, to quickly create the appropriate multi-shot single-barreled or multi-barreled design (or a catapult in general) does not seem difficult even for garage workshops (you have a personal example of Kassama). Integration of its management into the general defense system of an air defense position is also not a problem for developed industry.
                1. 0
                  27 October 2016 13: 08
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  The selection of the target for the difference from the attack aircraft is just simplified, due to the sharp difference in the EPR
                  EPR can be changed in both directions

                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  4. I repeat for the demented and trying to mow under them: the mass dimension of such ammunition allows it to be shoved into a mortar mine or ANALOGUAL design.

                  It would not be bad to give an example of such a supply and its performance characteristics

                  Quote: abrakadabre

                  3. The cost of such ammunition allows you to have a very decent ammunition to repel multiple attacks, swarm after swarm.

                  he also costs a penny ... I'm shocked))))
                  and then such a mega weapon, and why is nothing known about him? :)

                  1. +1
                    27 October 2016 13: 12
                    It would not be bad to give an example of such a supply and its performance characteristics
                    First publish your admission form here and go to which department. Then maybe ...
                    lol
                    I can only say that there is information about this even in entertaining media stories on military subjects.
                    I also add that the design of such a device is simple. Does not require any extra expensive or rare materials. You can assemble an electrical circuit for demonstrating the principle of operation of a pulsed EMR generator at home, almost out of garbage. Unless you have to pick up a capacitor in the store.
                    The ammunition has a similar, I repeat specifically for trolls, similar (and not identical) design of the electrical (not even electronic) part. It's just that the main energy for the pulse is pumped up by an explosion of explosives.
                    1. 0
                      27 October 2016 13: 30
                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      First publish here your admission form and what department you go through. Then maybe ...

                      laughing
                      So you are that secret constructor belay
                    2. 0
                      28 October 2016 07: 10
                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      First publish your admission form here and go to which department. Then maybe ...

                      oh my gosh, as I understand your rank captain ... captain evidence :)
                      What is there to provide if, as you put it all there are open sources of information? no need to cast a shadow on the fence, provide TTX :)

                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      The ammunition has a similar, I repeat specifically for trolls,

                      what is the point of drawing conclusions based on some of your conclusions, if you are involved in a discussion then you are not too lazy to provide more intelligible reasoning for your position. Provide performance characteristics, estimates, cost, all that could be clearly compared to each other.
                      The fact that the principle of explosives itself has not been known for a long time and has a history of vooot with such a beard :)
                      There are various ammunition with the principle of amy, so they are all different and the type of defeat is different, they can have this not only a complete failure, but only a temporary, small ammunition has a lesion zone of several 10 meters, while this generate only a certain burst of amy.
                      A generator that can burn everything properly in a radius of several kilometers weighs dofig, it is likely to be delivered only by rocket and its cost is not small, it seems like it can be comparable to yao (but I'm not sure about the details here). In this case, the explosion will temporarily blind both yours and ours, for the period of exposure, you can get a gift neatly in the radar.
                      So do not drag different facts between themselves.

                      And now let's look at a slightly different angle, it turns out that this is a super weapon that can be assembled on your knees from a store, while the damaging factor is more effective than conventional ammunition for the modern world.
                      have you met a lot of information about amy terrorists? assault by riot police, terror blows up a small grenade and here are all the operas of the group without communication? An oil refinery, we blow up the cc behind the fence, the column electronics go out of the country, the process goes on the heels and the big boom Herax You can give a wagon of examples.

                      Another example,
                      real fighting, there is a tank battle storming the city, against the bearded. Bearded collect on their knees several powerful explosives (for explosives in abundance) firing around the territory is not even aimed and that’s all ... the tanks are mute since a powerful military should burn the main control and navigation of the tank

                      Well, about the cost of the swarm and the supply by which it can be destroyed.
                      I think that the concept of the swarm that is now being laid is the weight of one unit of 100 - 150 g, the cost is up to $ 100, the distance between the units of the swarm is 20 -40 meters (the radius of the action of low-power data transmitters)
                    3. +1
                      28 October 2016 07: 33
                      and by the way, if everything is so simple with vv and amy it will be mega air defense straight, burn rockets and planes no one will pass, while the accuracy of the hit is not critical .... and ??? no, have not heard :)
                      1. +1
                        28 October 2016 08: 44
                        Well, the opponent provided approximate calculations of the mass of the drones, and the drones in terms of mass and volume can not be compared in any way with the aircraft, and even more so with the air defense system. therefore, at least some protection from EMR will not be able to have by definition.
                      2. +1
                        28 October 2016 09: 31
                        Quote: gringo
                        therefore, at least some protection from EMR will not be able to have by definition.

                        can
                        consider the manufacture of the drone as in the photo, the material is plastic, we reinforce the case with a copper mesh (a compromise between strength and minimal shielding). It turns out almost a cocoon. Will work for certain frequencies. Weight + 10 gr
                2. 0
                  27 October 2016 13: 18
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  Small ESR does not mean that they will not be noticed at all. Just notice at a shorter distance. Considering that ultra-small drones also can’t attack at long range, due to their low payload capacity, it is not problem.

                  this is a problem

                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  I repeat for the demented and trying to mow under them: the mass size of such an ammunition allows it to be shoved into a mortar mine or ANALOGUAL design. Shooting with similar ammunition has been worked out for a very long time.

                  You can reference - citizen chief designer?
                  1. +3
                    27 October 2016 13: 22
                    You can reference - citizen chief designer?
                    Due to the fact that you are in the ranks of the Armed Forces of a probable enemy - no, you can’t ...
                    tongue
                    So you have to believe the word gentleman ...
                    hi soldier
                    1. +3
                      27 October 2016 23: 44
                      Quote: atalef
                      You can reference - citizen chief designer?

                      ... for you, Sanya ... please always, even with a quote:
                      After field tests, Russian specialists began to eliminate errors and work to increase the power, accuracy and range of radiation of the "Alabuga" complex.

                      One of the so-called "jammers", bursting at an altitude of 200-300 meters, turns off electronic equipment within a radius of 3,5 kilometers - enemy units remain without communication, control and guidance, and the equipment can only be abandoned.

                      According to a number of publications referring to an unnamed specialist from the Rostec concern, the Alabuga warhead is a high-frequency, high-power electromagnetic field generator. The pulsed radiation that occurs when a rocket ruptures is similar to a nuclear explosion, but without a radioactive component.
                      “Field tests have shown the high efficiency of the unit - the main communication headsets are disabled, blinding and stunning the enemy. The units remain without any local electronic control systems, including weapons. The advantages of "non-lethal" damage are obvious - the enemy can only surrender, and the equipment becomes a trophy, ”the expert explained.
                      The main problem of this type of pulsed electromagnetic weapon is the creation of an effective delivery system. For a charge having a large mass, a missile is needed, which, due to its dimensions, is vulnerable to air defense and missile defense.

                      Electromagnetic weapons cannot be called something "supernatural" for the Russian army. Back in the early 90s of the last century, specialists from the Research Institute of Radio Instrumentation (now a division of the Almaz-Antey concern) and the V.I. Ioffe presented an air defense project based on the effect of microwave radiation from the ground on air targets. Getting into local plasma formations, objects were destroyed due to huge dynamic overloads. The impact of such radiation was effective even against ICBMs.

                      A real-life prototype of electromagnetic weapons - the domestic Ranets-E complex - was presented at an exhibition in Malaysia in 2001. It provides guaranteed destruction of the electronics of a ground target, aircraft or guided projectile at a distance of up to 14 kilometers. Source: http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/perspektivnye_razrab
                      otki / alabuga_sdelaet_bespoleznoy_tekhniku_protivn
                      ika /
                      ... as for the detection ... this "swarm of flies" is detected by RTR / RER at a distance of tens of kilometers ... since they interact with each other and have a communication channel with the operator ... found something to scare the mattress covers ... swarm of flies ... but creative, come ... laughing
                      1. +1
                        28 October 2016 10: 00
                        Thanks, chewed on the forgiving. Until recently, I wanted people to not be lazy and search on the Internet themselves. And then give them free then: photos, drawings, TTX ...
                        For the purposes of the conversation, notes from the media are sufficient with them.
                        lol
                    2. 0
                      28 October 2016 10: 37
                      it was possible to personally provide everything and not wait until others did. And catch the fog to make a smart look .. and say, well, I told you .. like I'm smart :)
                      alas, does not roll)

                      Alabuga - could be delivered only by rocket, 3,5 km destruction zone, prototype stage. Something like a mortar does not fit? or am I not watching those mortars? :)
                      Now compare :)
                      The cost of a javelin rocket is $ 70k per piece
                      Caliber $ 6,5m per piece
                      Alabuga cost ??? Well, I think from 10m $

                      Swarm cost
                      let $ 2m per rocket as a procurer
                      $ 100 per swarm piece, the distance inside the swarm is 20 meters
                      radius of defeat Alabuga 3,5 km
                      swarm network density 175 in a row, 4 rows (take with a margin :)) 700 pcs = 70k $

                      I would love to see how the opposition goes in such an economic ratio :)
                  2. 0
                    28 October 2016 08: 48
                    The link in the article will be attacked by large individually guided drones that do not fly in packs, the swarm is not armed, is used to mislead air defense, a swarm must have an EPR similar to a dozen cruise missiles or aircraft, in order for the air defense calculations to open fire.
                    1. +4
                      28 October 2016 19: 47
                      Quote: ksa4004
                      Now compare :)
                      The cost of a javelin rocket is $ 70k per piece
                      Caliber $ 6,5m per piece
                      Alabuga cost ??? Well, I think from 10m $
                      Swarm cost

                      ... the accountant is straight ... well, really, we can compare ... Alabuga will "put" all the enemy's military equipment within its radius of action ... not only a "swarm of flies" ... Someone quietly missed the "Knapsack-E" between their ears ... well, there was even more interesting "gizmo" in 2001 at the exhibition ... suspended aviation container from 600 to 1 kg. ... 500 km. removal burns out the receiving path of the radar, as well as the receiving path of any control system ... called "Rosa-E" ... longing for you ... and if you just think ... "swarm of flies" is positioned by GPS .. . and, how without it? ... no matter how ... there is no inertial system ... ah, to "fill up" the GPS is already an old proven electronic warfare complex, maybe the same "Resident" ... that's all ... there is no positioning on the ground ... no "swarm of flies" ... no result ... "flies" knock each other ... hi
                      Quote: gringo
                      used to mislead air defense, a swarm must have an EPR similar to a dozen cruise missiles or aircraft, in order for the air defense calculations to open fire.

                      ... nonsense ... well, let's say you adjusted the EPR ... so what? ... ah, how will you speed up? ... 150 km / h for the UAV and 800-900 km / h for the Kyrgyz Republic and the plane ... you can also deceive the GOS missiles ... but not a combat radar ... People’s Indian hut - It’s called you ... laughing
                      1. +1
                        28 October 2016 20: 41
                        The radar receiving path does not even burn out the EMP from a nuclear explosion (tested by nature in the 1950's), since a peak power fuse is built in between the antenna and the receiving path.

                        The radar reboot time after EMR is from 5 to 15 minutes.
                      2. +3
                        28 October 2016 21: 13
                        Quote: Operator
                        The radar receiving path does not even burn out the EMP from a nuclear explosion (tested by nature in the 1950's), since a peak power fuse is built in between the antenna and the receiving path.

                        ... You have not been behind for 50 years from modern means of radar? ... and what does EMR have to do with it ... the conversation is about something else ... directed by the microwave ... and even now the AFAR, and not like in the good old days ... wink
                      3. 0
                        31 October 2016 08: 52
                        that is, it turns out if I know that flies fly at a speed of 150 km \ h. on the target that flies at this speed, you can not pay attention, but an interesting conclusion.
            3. +2
              28 October 2016 14: 08
              Quote: abrakadabre
              It is enough to include in the composition of the air defense position, in addition to the Shell, also the installation in the manner of a medium-sized multi-barreled or multiple-charge mortar with EMI ammunition

              And this is a lot of journalists filmed the "shell" from the quadric - this is such a small type of drone with a video camera, so it just flew into the target of the air defense missile system and immediately went out, rescued forcibly. I imagine its flight under the antennas with 300-there pulse power under a megawatt wink
          2. +1
            27 October 2016 17: 22
            I wonder what autonomy these drones have for about two minutes? How long can they deflect the air defense? Similar methods of counteraction have long been developed, in the form of elementary pieces of aluminum foil, but Americans always need the most expensive and fantastic option. Literate people, for a long time already at the mention of new developments of American military science fiction writers, simply smile.
        2. 0
          27 October 2016 09: 31
          From the text of the article, I realized that this "swarm" will be dumped quite far from the air defense, most likely at the border of the detection zone, they also position it as a false target, for premature opening of fire by air defense calculations, and if you dump the "swarm" near the target, it is not very successful thought large complexes cover the ZRAKi and I think from a short distance they will deal with it without missiles, but of course the thought is not stupid to overload the air defense with false targets, or at least increase the decision-making time
          1. 0
            27 October 2016 09: 33
            And if so, then ground-based electronic warfare will not be very effective.
            1. +2
              27 October 2016 18: 04
              The usual broadband jammer, and this swarm falls to the ground very beautifully. Moreover, if there is a communication channel, then it can not only be suppressed, but also seized control. The idea has long been tested in Hollywood, but Hollywood and real life are on different planets. I am not saying that the idea of ​​a swarm is not feasible, you still need to develop a concept for its application.
              1. 0
                31 October 2016 08: 54
                Broadband director works at a distance of no more than 15-20 km. therefore, how to deliver the jammer to a range of 200 and a height of 5 km?
                1. 0
                  2 November 2016 11: 16
                  Broadband director works at a distance of no more than 15-20 km. therefore, how to deliver the jammer to a range of 200 and a height of 5 km?
                  And why deliver it there? We are considering an attack of a swarm of ultra-small drones at an air defense position. No need to deliver anything anywhere. They’ll fly by themselves. The drones discussed above weighing 150-500 grams themselves are not dangerous at a distance of tens to hundreds of kilometers. Yes, even at a distance of 1 km. And this is more than enough for a broadband jammer.
      2. 0
        27 October 2016 08: 52
        Yes, such a weapon is certainly very dangerous ...
        1. +2
          27 October 2016 17: 29
          Yes, such a weapon is certainly very dangerous ...
          Certainly very dangerous. Especially when the "greatest" army on the planet starts to arm themselves in a toy store. Than that these statements remind me of Ukraine. I understand that anything can be put into the service of the army, even kitchen knives, but somehow you need to know the measure. Comedians.
      3. 0
        27 October 2016 09: 11
        In this video, drones operate according to a predetermined program. Those. they cannot decide for themselves what to do in a given situation.
        So the question is how do they destroy the enemy’s manpower? Firearms? Then the drone will not be so small. Yes, and the return.
        1. 0
          27 October 2016 09: 40
          as an example from a fan of a gunshot.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2nVM0eJ-pk

          the video above with a bunch of drones as an example of control, as far as I remember they are given a common command (basic), they maintain autonomous distance and orientation in space. When making a decision with the cars, look in the direction of autopilots. So all the components of the system are ready to one degree or another
      4. 0
        27 October 2016 11: 24
        Any object of the physical world created by nature or man is in one form or another an object of interaction with the environment, in the form of a swarm or an individual object, respectively, it is vulnerable. There are many options for influencing the object from electromagnetic radiation to physical impact, you can practice the enumeration, since the swarm system on one side is simple and the string side is complex for these vulnerabilities there will soon be many. From which we can conclude, this is a research and development, technology demonstrator, it is not known how it will be implemented in weapons. And now it’s just cut the budget in American.
      5. +2
        27 October 2016 11: 54
        Quote: atalef
        Yes, probably now this is no longer a problem

        I will supplement it. A video like 2012, then there was no problem.
      6. +1
        29 October 2016 08: 57
        at the moment, baby talk is to level out the tactical characteristics of a drone the size of a fist with an attack aircraft or ground-based installations of the reb. The same fantasies as a miniature nuclear reactor.
  3. +15
    27 October 2016 06: 57
    A system of dozens of drones, which the Americans have yet to learn to control as a whole, can be detected quite simply and even more easily destroyed - for example, a variant of shrapnel ammunition, which apparently did not seem to be thought of in the United States, calling its Swarm "The latest superweapon, capable of fundamentally changing the balance of power."

    And even easier, apparently, to suppress this "swarm" with the help of electronic warfare means.
  4. +5
    27 October 2016 07: 00
    Be that as it may, it is impossible to ignore such information and it is simply necessary to calculate options for suppressing it. They will not appear today, they will be tomorrow and it is highly desirable to be ready.
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 17: 45
      I don’t think that in Russian design bureaus there are round idiots who don’t know anything and don’t do anything. As practice shows, for all the "sensational" developments of the Americans in the field of weapons, in the USSR, and now in Russia, usually countermeasures have been developed long ago. Moreover, from an engineering point of view, this is always done much easier, more rational and cheaper. All this fuss with semi-fantastic weapons in the form of a swarm reminds me of an epic with the development of a ballpoint pen for space in the states, on which fucking money was thrown away, and ours used an ordinary pencil.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 18: 17
        Quote: Orionvit
        recalls the epic with the development in the states of a ballpoint pen for space, which was thrown to hell with money

        It was a little wrong, even, one might say, quite wrong.
        The story is really interesting! She was retold and reimagined an inconceivable number of times, but the most interesting thing about her is that she is completely real. Only a little twisted. But in general, with the exception of some nuances, everything was just that.
        But let's start with the simplest:
        1. Why can't you take an ordinary pen into space? In the absence of gravity, it will not write.
        2. Why can you take an ordinary pencil into space? For writing, he does not need gravity, he simply erases the lead on paper, leaving a mark - a stroke.
        3. Why is it undesirable to take a pencil into space? It's all about gravity. When writing with a pencil, the lead crumbles, and then flies around the ship in the form of dust, chips and crumbs.
        That is why the American astronauts decided to abandon the option with a pencil, and began to look for a solution to this problem in the field of technology. It was found quite quickly, and this technical solution really cost about one and a half million dollars. Only this money was not spent by NASA, but by Paul Fisher, a Nevada businessman. In the sixties, he invested about a million dollars in the development of a universal pen that could write in any, even the most unimaginable conditions: in a terrible cold up to -45С and in heat up to + 200С both under water, and on water, and on a greasy surface and upside down.
        And in 1965, Fisher received a patent for this technology. Its essence is as follows: Paul's “miracle pens” ink is in a special cartridge and squeezed out with compressed nitrogen under a certain pressure. In the normal state, they are solid and liquefy only by writing. And to avoid leakage, the writing ball is made of tungsten carbide and is installed in the rod with jewelry accuracy. Thanks to this technology, the handle is not afraid of either cold, heat, or even weightlessness. It is noteworthy that she appeared at the very moment when she was needed. And, of course, this pen was quickly noticed by NASA, and after a while they concluded a contract with Fisher, ordering 400 pens. It cost the Americans $ 1000.
        Moreover, after a while, the Soviet cosmonauts began to use these pens when the idea with pencils revealed its shortcomings.
        But, of course, Mr. Fisher himself felt the best, of course, who, after his hands suddenly began to purchase NASA, began to sell them on a cosmic scale.
        By the way, the company has already returned the million invested more than one hundred times. It still exists, and still produces cosmic pens. They are collected, oddly enough, not in China or in one of the third world countries, but in the United States themselves, with part of the assembly and verification carried out manually.

        Prior to this, the Soviet cosmonauts wrote in orbit with wax pencils, and the American astronauts used felt-tip pens in orbit.
  5. +13
    27 October 2016 07: 04
    It's strange: Koreans have always been considered fans of "zerg rush" (attacks on the enemy by weak units in huge numbers) in the world ...
    Do Americans no longer rely on the Schwarzeneggers, Stallone, Lundgren and other Willis? But what about super-soldiers? But what about nanobroning at the price of a destroyer?
    Where did the American movie dream go? laughing
    1. +4
      27 October 2016 07: 13
      And now they have a lot of movie dreams. But small. Small. fellow
    2. +7
      27 October 2016 07: 39
      Quote: Lord_Bran
      Do Americans no longer rely on the Schwarzeneggers, Stallone, Lundgren and other Willis?

      Now they are betting on the heroes of Marvel Production Studio. laughing
    3. +2
      27 October 2016 08: 02
      I was interested in the flight range of this "mosquito". The dimensions are too small.
      1. +2
        27 October 2016 10: 31
        And I was interested in this question:
        The video shows people with one drone in a suitcase. The fact that in terms of its geometric dimensions (including the upper ceiling), ONE drone fits in a suitcase, I have no doubt. But at the end of the video, when all 24 drones allegedly flew into the suitcase, I have big doubts that they could fit there. Unless in a very disassembled form. Moreover, the presenter at this moment takes a static position, convenient for maintaining immobility. To take a freeze-frame, change the contents of the suitcase and continue shooting to effectively leave the frame.
  6. 0
    27 October 2016 07: 05
    not surprisingly, the Yankees also master the loot ...
  7. 0
    27 October 2016 07: 10
    And if there is a wind of wind? And if there are birds of prey, they will attack this flock of drones? !!!
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 08: 53
      and if there is no wind or birds? What will you defend yourself with?
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 17: 49
        and if there is no wind or birds? What will you defend yourself with?
        Well, you bring down just like an exam. request
    2. 0
      27 October 2016 08: 57
      Do not think that birds of prey are without brains.
  8. +2
    27 October 2016 07: 14
    Eprst! We urgently need to do something! To begin with, rename "Kalash", and against "Swarm" to work out the operation "Dichlorvos" (this is not an advertisement) ...
    1. +3
      27 October 2016 07: 23
      Yes Yes Yes! I was also alarmed that the robot had detected an enemy with a Kalash. That is, if in the hands of AEK or M-16 (conditionally), then the enemy will not be detected?)))
      1. +1
        27 October 2016 10: 35
        That is, if in the hands of AEK or M-16 (conditionally), then the enemy will not be detected?)))
        Probably will be detected. But not attacked, but rather supported.
        And if both sides will be with M16?
        wassat
        1. +2
          27 October 2016 12: 17
          Quote: abrakadabre
          And if both sides will be with M16?
          Then fighters with sapper blades will win. There are no options.
  9. +3
    27 October 2016 07: 19
    “The latest superweapon capable of fundamentally changing the balance of power”

    If the site comes up with a conversation about our newest weapons, then immediately a flurry of criticism from "fans" of Russia and accusations of chatter, propaganda, etc. At the same time, it will definitely be mentioned that everything in Russia is rusty, smokes, but among the Americans ... I wonder what you say about American quirks?
    1. +5
      27 October 2016 07: 27
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If the site comes up with a conversation about our newest weapons, then immediately a flurry of criticism from "fans" of Russia and accusations of chatter, propaganda, etc. At the same time, it will definitely be mentioned that in Russia everything is rusty, smokes, but among the Americans ... I wonder what you say about American quirks?

      and the "military experts" from the ruins have long given their comments ... laughing
      1. +3
        27 October 2016 07: 31
        Soon enough, "specialists" will appear on the site to criticize our country, extolling American power. Probably from the same garden with those about whom you wrote.
  10. +3
    27 October 2016 07: 47
    And I think, from whom did dill take fashion every day to invent a superweapon ...
  11. +3
    27 October 2016 07: 53
    sometimes children’s squeals tire .. beat the dough, dichlorvos, the wind will blow ... etc.
    Firstly, this is a media report that in real life is not known. Striped ones are also smart enough.
    Secondly, remember our media, about AK-12, etc. also lacks various fakes about unique things.
    Thirdly, the idea of ​​a swarm is interesting in itself
    EW is not a panacea (I'm certainly not special in it), but most likely it works on specific signatures.
    Current technologies are close to making miniature devices stand-alone, i.e. if the reb suppresses the swarm’s network, then it’s not fatal for the swarm.
    If the radio channel is suppressed, there are optical communications. As a backup channel to determine the behavior of the swarm is enough or switching the basic behavior directive.
    Shrapnel is also not a mega weapon against the swarm, count the size to the unit of the swarm, the expansion of shrapnel, the swarm does not pile up at one point, the further the point of the explosion, the more likely it is to drop sharply.
    As an example of the use of the swarm principle, these are our RBK500-SPBE and PKR
    So the use of a swarm of simple, miniature and cheap units is a distant development. Given the possibility of organizing a network and increasing resources in this mode, a cool thing will be. As the first line of contact with the enemy, the very thing is, even as an option to counter the guidance system, the MANPADS will be fun to apply.
    1. +2
      27 October 2016 08: 51
      Quote: ksa4004
      sometimes children’s squeals tire .. beat the dough, dichlorvos, the wind will blow ... etc.


      Vladimir! hi I agree with you in the sense that the enemy should not be underestimated. But from the text of the article, he formed his opinion that the described super weapon would not seriously scare anyone. That is why I allowed myself a little banter in the comments a little earlier. I will explain my point of view.
      1. A 6 helical drone (such as a quadrocopter, more precisely a hexocopter) is presented as an anti-air defense system. But copters have a low speed and range. Therefore, they should be discarded from the carrier in the immediate vicinity of the air defense facility, which will try to prevent this. Such a drone will be easy prey. Or a big risk of media loss.
      2. The invulnerability or economic inexpediency of defeating a drone by air defense systems can be achieved by its small size. But how, then, to provide energy to the aircraft’s electronic warfare systems to counter a ground or sea air defense system that has sufficiently powerful radars? I am silent about aviation radars, because the copter cannot reach the heights and speeds of our IA
      3. A swarm of controlled copters is vulnerable to the effects of electronic warfare on communication and control channels. The optical communication channel is doubtful in smoke or fog. The presence of AI in each individual drone is an increase in size, cost, visibility. It will be much cheaper to destroy the air defense system in one gulp of the good old missiles with the RLGSN.
      4. If we consider this swarm as a means of countering MANPADS, will it not work "out of a cannon at sparrows"? Well, again, everything depends on the range of use, which depends on the fuel supply (battery charge), which, in turn, depend on the dimensions of the drone. Dimensions pull visibility.
      In general, the flag in their hands.
      1. +2
        27 October 2016 09: 31
        I think that a drone that identifies a person and a swarm are two different things.
        I would suggest the following gradation and application patterns.

        1. hexocopter or drone. Autonomous unit for patrolling the territory. I think for local fights in the east the most. Current pattern recognition systems have advanced tremendously. So to recognize the probable bororadach are quite high and at the same time not to substitute for yourself. It’s just that many do not think, but monitoring systems and pattern recognition have long been included in our lives and are actively used, here it’s just taken out locally.
        Will he be able to fire a drone, I think so. Most likely this will be an extreme measure, since the stability of the drone is in question.

        2. A swarm, or unit of a swarm. It should be something simple and small (cheap), as in the photo in the article.
        The main advantages are their mass character. A swarm unit is just a sensor. In such cases, the swarm can be considered, for example, as a spatial afar, here there are already questions about the speed of data processing from such an "antenna". This swarm is disposable, fired, formed a network, worked for scrap. The use of the swarm is a continuation and counteraction in line with how modern weapons "see" the target. After all, there is not only radar, but visual guidance, the same anti-aircraft missiles could visually identify an aircraft carrier for a long time. Those. the larger the swarm, the better it sees or resists, but it is not a panacea for all ills :)

        3. The combination of applications. Roy is the main battle unit. The drone as a network switch or repeater, accelerating the speed of communication, losing the drone will only reduce the speed of communication.

        4. The pile is small :). different type of swarm. The first type is fired and scattered over a large area like a cluster munition and simply lies on the ground radiating. It serves as a signal source for counteracting the electronic warfare system; a flying swarm is used first as a guideline or as an additional network for communication.
      2. 0
        27 October 2016 10: 16
        and about speed
        XK Stunt X350 Air - 65 km / h just as an example :)
    2. 0
      27 October 2016 10: 44
      EW is not a panacea (I'm certainly not special in it), but most likely it works on specific signatures.
      No EW. EMI landmine works on all electronics, especially without analyzing signatures. They hit him on the drum. And if all of our anti-aircraft defense is developed taking into account protection against electromagnetic radiation during a nuclear war (and the detonation of a high-explosive mine at the command gives an undeniable advantage to take measures against self-defeat), then all sorts of small drones are physically incapable of bearing such a powerful defense.
      And there it doesn’t matter anymore, the radio channel, optical matrix or motor windings will burn out at the drone. After EMR, he is not a tenant. Or at least not a fighter.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 11: 21
        EMI landmine is now only one, a few kilotons of charge, everyone will already be there anyway :)
  12. +1
    27 October 2016 07: 57
    The American newspaper The New York Times published material that describes the development of new types of weapons in the United States. In particular, we are talking about testing a drone with six screws, which is ...

    I dare to suggest that an inaccuracy has crept into the translation of an article from the New York Times. Perhaps it was about testing a drone with six bolts. Women's joy, however ... The relevance of such a development is obvious, given the recent trends in the US Army regarding the service of people of non-traditional orientation in it.
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 08: 37
      The train of your thoughts is interesting. What an unusual person!
      1. +1
        27 October 2016 09: 41
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The train of your thoughts is interesting. What an unusual person!


        Alexey! hi I hope you don't mean anything bad by “unusual”. For example "nasty". stop
        And the course of my thoughts regarding the options for using a 6-bolt drone was inspired by an old joke about a man (M), who came to a psychiatrist with the statement that everything was around the pi-si.
        Doctor (D) invited him to take a small test, for which he took out a pack of pictures / photographs, began to show them one by one, on condition that the peasant would, looking at them, say the first thing that came to his mind.
        D. pulls out the 1st picture. On it is a crane wedge in the sky. The man asks: Well?
        M. These are not birds, doctor. This is s-sy. Look here! They look at each other in the train.
        D. Okay, a bad example. Here is another picture. Circus, playpen, poodle, clown, laughing children.
        M. Doctor, yes this is ss. He reminded his lips, his cheeks reddened. He rubs with children. Ps, definitely.
        D. Annoyed: Okay. Here's another picture. Reproduction of painting "Three hunters"
        M. Doctor, yes this is s-sy. Look, they are in nature with vodka, without women. Chas get drunk and start pestering each other. Ps, 100%.
        D. Obaldev from this logic, says: my friend, you and I are among the p-ones.
        M. But what about? You, doctor, are the most important sir. Where did you get such pictures?
  13. +1
    27 October 2016 07: 58
    Whatever the mericatos would entertain, if only they would sit quietly and not rock the boat.
  14. +2
    27 October 2016 08: 05
    Well, judging by everything, the Americans have once again managed to create a "monstrous" weapon. The British came up with "shame" and these "swarm". Only now all this is most like a "howl" about his worthlessness in everything. fool
  15. +2
    27 October 2016 08: 10
    Yeah and the new super helmet))
  16. +3
    27 October 2016 08: 11
    wow, this is a twist .. "swarm", right? class. and you can also re-read Dick, the same super developments, kawaii kids with cubs. And of course the Marvels are cool there. And most importantly, it has nothing to do with the brain, but cutting and PR is powerful. And yes, how long does this miracle dron run out of batteries? They, #####, the sailors come out liquid at the sight of a single plane, but the soldiers without heated sorts throw tantrums, and instead of being enlisted, then gays are allowed to serve, then they play robots .. Thank you for the article, it is interesting to know , what else are the "partners" from zaluzheniya sick with.
  17. +2
    27 October 2016 08: 12
    There is an opinion that the American media are trying to impose another arms race on Russia with their messages, which is in the interests of Washington.

    Well, how could it be otherwise? And in general, when in the media (!?) In the public domain they begin to talk about some kind of "superweapon", then this, as a rule, is always empty chatter and order.
    Well, judge for yourself, does anyone who is in their right mind come up with the idea of ​​declassifying their military secrets?
    Superweapons are never advertised in advance. Whoever needs it will know about it after its application. As was the case with the atomic or hydrogen bomb.
  18. 0
    27 October 2016 08: 13
    The drone was able to detect people armed with Kalashnikovs in a shelter and conditionally strike them.
    Ok, what if the enemy is armed with FN FAL or MP-5 H&K? As then?
  19. 0
    27 October 2016 08: 19
    Hollywood steers, not enough.
  20. 0
    27 October 2016 08: 31
    US media vying with each other about developments in the USA of the "newest super-weapon"
    Storytellers from the city on the mountain, the hopes of the world. Yesterday, a military expert turned their tale on the show. Each of these devices needs individual control. And not Escander will shoot them down, but like in Star Wars., A bucket with rusty bolts and nuts.
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 10: 17
      Quote: BOB044
      And not Escander will shoot them down, but like in Star Wars., A bucket with rusty bolts and nuts.

      Perhaps so, but so far, only with our tongues are we shooting down a drone from a New York newspaper.
  21. 0
    27 October 2016 08: 48
    Shrapnel vs Drones - maybe not the most effective. Personally, I would test their resistance to thermobaric ammunition, especially if they are used as they used to use anti-aircraft guns - massively and covering the whole area. In shrapnel ammunition, the zone of complete destruction is not too large, and shrapnel flying from the sky is dangerous for its own, as drones fly low ...
    As an artilleryman, I would understand small caliber (60-70 mm) thermobaric systems fired from light portable systems, with remote detonation. The seeker is not necessary, the sights are needed good, with a ballistic computer. Well, for very small drones flying at low altitudes, something like a "Saiga" with a large shot. Well, the skills of clay trap shooting wassat
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 09: 41
      They, as I understand it, will throw out a swarm of kilometers for 300-400 km, you don't really shoot from the "saiga", and not really from the art either, a rocket with some kind of impulse electronic warfare container to the target area, and in theory, based on the size, the energy of these devices small. Electronic warfare in an impulse can give out decently, I think they will not only have a communication channel but also email. the engine shuts off and the battery explodes.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 10: 31
        Quote: gringo
        They are, as I understand it, a swarm will be dumped for 300-400 km


        Imagine the size of a drone-copter with a flight range, even one way, 300-400 km. About like MI-8.
        1. 0
          27 October 2016 11: 02
          since the task of this swarm is to distract air defense from aviation, the article says that drones from the swarm are not armed, they do not need to fly long distances, as I understand it, they need to be displayed on radars and reflect there for some time, then another question is at what altitude they fly .
    2. 0
      27 October 2016 10: 05
      You can lay a basic countermeasure.
      For a large network, when approaching ZR, disperse as much as possible, or in general disconnect and fall (for light weight it is not fatal). Not everyone will survive these countermeasures, but maybe more than when hit. A large swarm does not fly into the artillery range, at the entrance to the counter-action area disperse into small groups and fly dirty in one direction
      1. +1
        27 October 2016 11: 09
        If you are talking about a container with electronic warfare in a rocket, then first of all, how do drones know that it is flying? scatter, fall, off, etc. body movements from a powerful impulse will not save, will cover a sphere of a couple of kilometers, the fact that they were off, will not save semiconductors from breakdown of pn junctions, and electric motors from inter-turn short circuit.
        1. 0
          27 October 2016 11: 26
          Quote: gringo
          If you are talking about a container with electronic warfare in a rocket, then first of all, how do drones know that it is flying?

          With layered defense, there are long-range detection systems, they see, the drone needs only a team, or at least a chance to get it through the broadcast network.

          this counteraction in case of volumetric explosion or high explosive.
  22. +1
    27 October 2016 09: 14
    In the past, airplanes dropped beams of foil, which distorted the radar image beyond recognition. The Americans drank the money for the manufacture of "smart suicide bombers" (they are also disposable), which are more expensive not only fired heat targets, but even more so foil, with thermo-radio emitters attached to it ...
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 09: 15
      Quote: Redactor
      which are more expensive than just fired heat targets, but even more so foil with thermo-radio emitters attached to it

    2. +1
      27 October 2016 10: 49
      No foil ... Housewives require foil for baking.
  23. 0
    27 October 2016 09: 19
    As always, there is an asymmetric answer, Anglo-Saxon snobbery, our specialists have already foreseen options for the destruction of such flocks, so the Americans will have to "suck their paw."
  24. +1
    27 October 2016 09: 48
    It seems to me that a source of directed energy, for example. SHF-GUN / laser / electronic warfare will be the main destructive means for the "pack". And there is no doubt that DIFFERENT KINDS of WEAPONS working on a group principle will soon appear and, as the price decreases / miniaturization, they will become more and more massively individual at the same time and very effective in use - there is no doubt about it. Just imagine a swarm of android flies, capable of carrying micro-means for reconnaissance, individual destruction of people, incapacitation of equipment, etc., being completely resistant against defoliants, SANE CONTROLLED SWING on scales from hundreds to millions, capable of feeding like normal insects ... The biological weapon of the 20th century (plague-infected cockroaches) will seem like a kindergarten. Seriously, 100% - there will be no countermeasures, therefore only parallel-competitive development with the conclusion of agreements on limitation / prohibition. Although for special services micro-systems are an ideal means of reconnaissance / sabotage / ..., - there, prohibit, do not prohibit, - development will go further, right down to nano-structures ... The prospects are as technically fantastically beautiful as they are terrible, - from the scope. And all this will come very soon ...
  25. +1
    27 October 2016 09: 58
    Come on, that's a normal idea. How much time and effort it takes to "grow" a fighter. 18 years just wait until he grows up, then teach, put on shoes, supply, and so on. And this swarm can be printed and assembled on a 3D printer in 1 year.

    Considering the fact that robotics is much better developed in the USA (it is even very mildly said) than in the Russian Federation, the situation is not at all pleasant. Where will your special ammunition or electronic warfare systems be when hordes of cheap robots will nightmare the 16 summer and 50 summer volunteer reservists armed with old AKs and mosquitoes for days? A regular army over the entire territory is not enough, and their tasks will be to retain strategic objects / directions, and not lonely towns / villages
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 11: 08
      Outlets are not enough to nightmare for days ...
    2. +1
      27 October 2016 16: 52
      Perhaps I will surprise you, not 18 years, but 9 is enough. Have you heard of the pioneer heroes? And about such a distant country like Afghanistan? Robotics, it’s great, only trained personnel are needed. This is not in the hack. To teach to shoot, and to lay cc, is much simpler, and still cheaper. The only thing is less profitable to cut, and never PR. Only fanatics and those who defend their family and homeland go to self-sacrifice. And this is not pathos.
  26. +1
    27 October 2016 10: 03
    Quote: cniza
    and even easier destroyed - for example, a variant of shrapnel ammunition, the possibility of using which in the United States, apparently, did not think


    Share the author - what kind of ammunition ?!
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 13: 38
      anti-aircraft missile? or an explosive rocket?
  27. +1
    27 October 2016 10: 07
    We went through all this in 1945. There were those who shouted about "super weapons" and inevitable retribution. Where are they ? And there was no dust left.
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 10: 23
      Quote: starshina78
      ... There were those who shouted about "super weapons" and inevitable retribution. Where are they ? And there was no dust left.

      And who imposes sanctions? But the thought is true.
  28. win
    +1
    27 October 2016 10: 18
    It's about the Swarm project

    And if you take "SuperRoy" - a million drones, or even a billion ... Uuuuuu ...

    Something vaguely reminds me of Nazi Germany ...

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  30. 0
    27 October 2016 11: 06
    Such small drones should be in the air long enough. What interesting batteries will allow them to do this?
    1. 0
      27 October 2016 11: 14
      solar panels? Small only those that enter the swarm, to help break through the air defense, they do not need to hang for a long time.
  31. +1
    27 October 2016 11: 15
    funny Americans once again loot sawing and then such komenty abstruse))
  32. +1
    27 October 2016 17: 01
    Gentlemen, what are you discussing here. Yes, our "stool" smokes nervously aside in comparison with their generals. This is where the real "cut" and the removal of taxes from the population. Those who are older remember their notorious MX system. How did it end for them? Correctly, the trains with ICBMs "sweeping" across Siberia and the Far East. They will see enough of all the "crap" in Hollywood and think that we will begin to believe in this nonsense.
  33. +1
    27 October 2016 17: 05
    And, they still need to share their work with the "Ukrainians" from "Azov" ...
  34. Cat
    +1
    28 October 2016 07: 42
    You need to think about servos like muscles without buzzing in which the process goes on at a chemical level and make a scout "cat" look completely like an ordinary cat and launch it in city battles for reconnaissance or stuff it with explosives and the "cat" makes its way to terrorists with a soporific gas transmits intelligence, licking fluffy testicles, the terrorist is touched and then the terrorist is ready to gasp and then the terrorist is ready. Then you can use the scout's crow and, with the proper level of minutiarization, the sparrow can be launched on the white house lawn and listen to what they cook there for another dirty trick.
    1. 0
      28 October 2016 08: 52
      ISIS has already stopped making such cats, they are already conducting experiments on people.
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  36. +1
    28 October 2016 10: 16
    ksa4004,
    consider the manufacture of the drone as in the photo, the material is plastic, we reinforce the case with a copper mesh (a compromise between strength and minimal shielding). It turns out almost a cocoon. Will work for certain frequencies. Weight + 10 gr

    1. Your cocoon, as you said, will work for certain frequencies and fairly small capacities. The EMP is broadband and has high power.
    2. Your cocoon cannot shield communication antennas and various sensors of the device itself. Otherwise, they will not fulfill their function.
    3. The guidance of powerful Foucault currents in such a screen will heat up the device. At certain powers, up to the boiling of the thinnest screen wire. It is impossible to cram a thick lattice resistant to heat into the + 10 grams indicated by you into such a small device. That means there will already be damage to the device. That for such a small design, it is most likely fatal.
    4. And you still did not say what kind of payload dangerous for an air defense complex, consisting of a bunch of multi-ton installations spaced over a decent area, can carry an apparatus of 150-500 grams. Given the machine’s own defenselessness from technically simple attacks of electronic warfare and electromagnetic radiation.
    5. In the event of undermining of the EMP ammunition integrated into the overall system of the air defense defense system of the position, the exact moment of the explosion is known for the air defense, which allows the use of standard systems of protection against electromagnetic radiation. For the drone, this moment is unknown in order to switch to the desired mode in time even with the hypothetical presence of some measures to protect against EMR damage.
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      28 October 2016 21: 46
      EMP only affects radar antennas and transceivers. Electronic equipment is protected from EMP by means of power fuses and metal foil (rather than a grid).
      The duration of EMP is thousandths of a second. During this time, the foil does not have time to heat up. Foucault currents, significant in heating, are induced in linear conductors with a length of hundreds of meters or more (such as power lines and wire communications).

      Reboot after EMR transceivers is about a minute, radar - about a dozen minutes. At the same time, radar at small drones is not installed due to its size, power consumption and radio unmasking of the drone.

      At the time of the transceiver reboot, the drone is controlled by an autopilot according to a special algorithm embedded in the on-board computer. In reality, EMR ammunition is not used in a combat situation due to the simultaneous failure of its own electronic means.
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        1 November 2016 09: 53
        EMP affects not only antennas, but any conductive elements, and in our case, no actions for protection will help with drones, try to close a thin foil with a 1,5 volt battery, it will burn out, and you want the field strength induced by EMP to do the work on weak heating of the foil? IMHO nonsense, if this foil had the ability to process the EMP energy into some other then yes, but this time is not in the near future, the fuses will work of course, only electronic circuits will not get any easier from this, because the tension is induced not only in the input stages, but throughout the circuit at the same time, the electric motors will get a short circuit in the windings, regardless of whether they are off or on, so the drone is scrapped. at the epicenter of the UVG rupture, it is impossible to protect any modern technology, even one that has protection against the effects of weapons of mass destruction, it is another matter that the shock-wave generator stands like a trophy meserschmitt (approximately like a yadrena bonba), therefore, such targets are unlikely to be shot with such wunderdogs, and honestly they do not pull these drones are for superbugs, although if each "fly" is given a small adjustable bonba, then a rather dangerous weapon will turn out.
  37. +1
    28 October 2016 10: 20
    Quote: ksa4004
    EMI landmine is now only one, a few kilotons of charge, everyone will already be there anyway :)

    You are mistaken ... Look on the topic "Alabuga" ... And do not demand performance characteristics from me ... At least the next few years "-tsat" - "-sat" ...
    wassat
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    28 October 2016 21: 35
    Inok10,
    The satchel and Rosa are real toys in comparison with the EMP of a nuclear explosion, the power of their radiation is about four less than the power of the EMP. The maximum that the Knapsack and Dew can do is drown out the radar and then only in the version of a parabolic or slot antenna.
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      2 November 2016 11: 30
      The satchel and Rosa are real toys in comparison with the EMP of a nuclear explosion, the power of their radiation is about four less than the power of the EMP. The maximum that the Knapsack and Dew can do is drown out the radar and then only in the version of a parabolic or slot antenna.
      Quote: Operator
      The satchel and Rosa are real toys in comparison with the EMP of a nuclear explosion, the power of their radiation is about four less than the power of the EMP. The maximum that the Knapsack and Dew can do is drown out the radar and then only in the version of a parabolic or slot antenna.

      In the case under consideration, an attack of a swarm of ultra-small drones at an air defense position will not require more. For strategic tasks in the event of a full-scale war, undermining several dozen megaton-class charges in low orbit and closer to the aggressor will definitely solve the problems of any swarm of drones and not only them.
  39. +2
    29 October 2016 12: 24
    send to us, we’ll disassemble, please, we will make toys for children good
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  41. +1
    31 October 2016 08: 49
    ksa4004,
    EMP affects something like a lightning strike, which grid will help you from a lightning strike? the grid can be at least silver at least gold, after the impact of the EMP drone in the scrap.
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      2 November 2016 11: 33
      the grid can be at least silver at least gold, after the impact of the EMP drone in the scrap.
      Well, not really ... If you make a drone the size of a tank, but the grid from a rod into a finger is thick (preferably sheet), then it will stand ... wassat
      But how much can you equip swarms of such drones? And most importantly, how will they fly? .. A debatable question.
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        2 November 2016 12: 13
        0,05 mm thick aluminum foil protects against EMP.

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