Vershbow said Russia should be grateful to NATO for eastward expansion

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The former deputy (he left the post just a few days ago) of the Secretary General of the North Atlantic Alliance and the former US Ambassador to the Russian Federation Alexander Vershbow gave an interview Deutshe Welle Zhanna Nemtsova (daughter of B.Nemtsov). The main part of the interview was devoted to the relationship of the North Atlantic Alliance with Russia.

Mr. Vershbow’s truly “outstanding” tirade can be considered his statement on the expansion of NATO to the east. According to Vershbow’s logic, Russia, first, has somehow somehow “provoked” the expansion of NATO to its own borders, and, secondly, Moscow should be grateful to NATO for the fact that as a result of the expansion, democratic states. "



Vershbow said Russia should be grateful to NATO for eastward expansion


From the statement of the former deputy secretary general of NATO:
The expansion of NATO has created a community of stable democratic states at the western borders of Russia, making this border safer. The instability, with which, in fact, Russia has to deal - it is in the south, not the west. However, it is beneficial for the Kremlin to portray NATO as an enemy.

But if the danger is in the south, then why is NATO expanding precisely in the eastern direction - in the direction of Russia? But this question was not asked to Mr. Vershbow. However, the former deputy secretary general of NATO received another question. He sounded like this:
The alliance may have destroyed its reputation because of operations in Afghanistan and the former Yugoslavia. You blamed the crisis on Russia. It turns out, NATO did not make mistakes?


Vershbow actually walked away from a direct response, saying only that Russia "was itself a member of the Kosovo group."

Was what? According to the logic of NATO, how can this be connected with the NATO bombing of Belgrade? Or Vershbow is trying to declare that Russia is to blame for the fact that NATO has begun to strike.

Well, if so, then it is not clear why NATO uses such harsh rhetoric towards the Russian Federation, because Russia today is trying to prevent NATO from repeating the Yugoslav “mistake” and not dividing other states. And this means that NATO should already be grateful to Russia for being in favor of stable democratic states in the Middle East.
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  1. +14
    26 October 2016 16: 50
    Russia is very grateful to the West for the fact that our eyes have finally opened, to your double standards ... And most importantly, to your "shitty crap"! True, a lot of blood was shed and losses were great, but we recovered in time .... Thanks Obamych and K!
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  3. +13
    26 October 2016 16: 54
    I see one reason why we can say thank you to NATO (well, how to say, so to spit "thank you" in their direction) - this is because we have begun to rearm our army at an accelerated pace. Train personnel and began to develop promising weapons with a vengeance. This is my personal opinion ...
    1. +5
      26 October 2016 18: 45
      You forgot to say thanks for the sanctions !!!! what is hard to overestimate !!! wink
  4. 0
    26 October 2016 16: 56
    This means that NATO should already be grateful to Russia for supporting stable democratic states in the Middle East.

    well, you will receive thanks from them. pathological hatred only am
  5. +2
    26 October 2016 16: 59
    And NATO should be thankful for much more. European values ​​are our merit. If it weren’t for the air defense and the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, then o5 would try to reduce the number of consumers in Europe. And so they formed a tolerant consumer society. Rejoice
  6. +22
    26 October 2016 17: 01
    Yes you wait with thanks for the expansion of NATO. Everything has its time. We have not yet thanked you for the collapse of the country in the 90s, for the huge external debt of that time because of IMF loans, for the 2 Chechen wars, for Gorbach and EBN, for the destruction of the TU-160 and OKA, for the Unified State Examination and many, many more for what. Take away all thanks immediately? Or prefer in parts?
    1. +8
      26 October 2016 17: 13
      Quote: Polite Moose
      Yes you wait with thanks for the expansion of NATO. Everything has its time. We have not yet thanked you for the collapse of the country in the 90s, for the huge external debt of that time because of IMF loans, for the 2 Chechen wars, for Gorbach and EBN, for the destruction of the TU-160 and OKA, for the Unified State Examination and many, many more for what. Take away all thanks immediately? Or prefer in parts?

      Everything has its own time ....! The generation we have is growing quite well, in the military enlistment offices there are queues (and they even offer bribes to the military commissar, if only they took them into the army))))) NATO expansion has reached the limit, it remains to poke with a needle and EVERYTHING! laughing
    2. +3
      26 October 2016 17: 44
      Quote: Polite Elk
      Take away all thanks immediately? Or prefer in parts?

      We are always grateful, Always remember Good.
  7. +4
    26 October 2016 17: 07
    Sick logic! I personally do not always agree with the interpretations of the Russian media, especially with the question of all political "SHOWs" in the Russian media. Where is the same question always posed "who is interested?" the answer is also the same "WEST". It always makes me laugh post hoc ergo propter hoc LOGICAL ERROR NOT ALWAYS "After this, then because of this." BUT a big BUT when I read arguments from NATO representatives, the only question really arises. Are they idiots, or is the whole world held for idiots? And you know, sometimes it seems to me both!
    1. 0
      26 October 2016 20: 31
      Quote: Lek3338
      Are they idiots, or are they still holding the whole world for idiots?


      What is the whole paradox of the situation ... Being clinical idiotami, they stupidly consider THEM all who do not want to dance to their stupid pipe ...
  8. +2
    26 October 2016 17: 09
    This Europe should be "grateful" now in the event of a major war, Europe will not.
  9. 0
    26 October 2016 17: 23
    What Russia owes something to the fascists?
  10. +10
    26 October 2016 17: 32
    Our thanks are now being produced at the factories and stored in arsenals .... we will be grateful round the clock ...
  11. +1
    26 October 2016 17: 32
    Yes, they have not only tolerance in honor, but insanity is also welcomed. And it’s very bad that those in power suffer from it, but we have a cure, it’s a poplar club.
    1. cap
      +4
      26 October 2016 18: 59
      Quote: Cyril750
      Yes, they have not only tolerance in honor, but insanity is also welcomed. And it’s very bad that those in power suffer from it, but we have a cure, it’s a poplar club.


      What a cure. Take a close look, medicine is powerless.
      http://tehnowar.ru/51114-tem-vremenem-u-klinton-n
      e-vse-v-poryadke-s-golovoy.html
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  12. +5
    26 October 2016 17: 42
    tolerance .... fi in decent society such words laughing
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  14. +3
    26 October 2016 17: 50
    Absolutely ohh ... was it chtoli? Well, the alaverdi will also not stay behind us on the "young stable" democracies ...
  15. +1
    26 October 2016 17: 53
    World has gone mad!
  16. +1
    26 October 2016 17: 54
    And everyone says that Clinton is not all right with his head! They lie.
    1. 0
      26 October 2016 21: 49
      They have an epidemic. The planet is a husk, someone poured some potion into their smoke. They are alive, just the brain is paralyzed.
  17. +1
    26 October 2016 18: 00
    are they cloned?
    Well, no way to explain request
  18. +3
    26 October 2016 18: 04
    Yeah. And the hanging member is better than the standing one. Everything is upside down.
  19. +1
    26 October 2016 18: 14
    1) "The instability that Russia really has to deal with is in the south, not the west."
    2) "But if the danger is in the south, then why is NATO expanding in the east?
    - towards Russia? "

    The danger in the south then exists not for NATO, but for Russia. What is incomprehensible to the author in the quote?

    In this I completely agree with the retired general.
    Russia needs a strong modern army.
    But it will be involved in the future precisely in the south and east of Russia.
    1. +5
      26 October 2016 20: 50
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russia needs a strong modern army.
      But it will be involved in the future precisely in the south and east of Russia.

      1. As for the Army, who would argue!
      2. As for the southern direction, this can happen if we do not catch flies and mittens in the ATS, and do not help our southern neighbors to crush this oddity at the border.
      3. About the East - this is still propaganda, the purpose of which is to "shit" the Bear and the Dragon. This is what the "white eagle" (Bald Eagle) wants very much.
      So, we can only hope for the wisdom of our foreign policy and the recognition by BRICS of the importance of rallying ranks before the threat of general democratization ...
      But such plans already exist. And before the 2018 year, we can face them closely.
  20. +8
    26 October 2016 18: 35
    Quote: voyaka uh
    1) "The instability that Russia really has to deal with is in the south, not the west."
    2) "But if the danger is in the south, then why is NATO expanding in the east?
    - towards Russia? "

    The danger in the south then exists not for NATO, but for Russia. What is incomprehensible to the author in the quote?

    In this I completely agree with the retired general.
    Russia needs a strong modern army.
    But it will be involved in the future precisely in the south and east of Russia.


    Fuh! Well, thank God. Well, if these two (voyaka uh + Mr. Vershbow) explained everything so intelligibly to us, we can calmly forget about our thousand-year history, close our eyes, ears, turn off our brains and look with a severe grin at the South. Well, to the extreme of the East. Turning his back to NATO. Fuck you, gentlemen, foreign well-wishers ...
  21. +2
    26 October 2016 18: 37
    Such a serious decent uncle and without an accordion. And who give birth to people like this. Psychiatrists work and work with them there.
  22. +1
    26 October 2016 18: 52
    Putin said about the participants in the blockade of Crimea that it’s * amazing go ... you *. And this quirky super-idiot demagogue.
  23. 0
    26 October 2016 18: 55
    Again, NATO skins under dope grass give interviews as much as possible already. stop
  24. +1
    26 October 2016 18: 56
    Well, thank you, on occasion. Thanks (in warehouses and military unit) for your entire NATO unit is enough!
  25. +1
    26 October 2016 19: 00
    God forbid us such stability and democracy
    1. win
      0
      26 October 2016 21: 14

      The problem with democracy in developing countries is that after it is "protected" by missiles and bombs, there are very few people left alive who really need it.
      1. 0
        27 October 2016 05: 13
        One country needs such democracy - and it is called America. She is glad to destroy everyone, only he would live. As the Russian army got stronger - immediately America began to live not comfortable. No one bothered her - you could calmly rob countries and kill. It wasn’t comfortable - you still have to negotiate, otherwise you can get it by hand. It’s hard to rob with bad hands - you have to persuade Europe. Help us maintain an army and fight for us. We’ll rob whom we don’t — we will take the meat for ourselves, and we will give the bones to Europe, we won’t let you die.
  26. +2
    26 October 2016 19: 10
    Vershbow said Russia should be grateful to NATO for eastward expansion

    What else can we expect from an organization whose name translates as "North Atlantic Terrorist Organization"? request
    They cannot even lie convincingly. All their "postulates" are designed for the same degenerates as themselves. Everything is according to the saying "people are judged by themselves." Yes laughing
  27. +2
    26 October 2016 19: 13
    Well, our gratitude will not know "borders" - state ones.
    Iskanders in Kaliningrad are already covering the backs of the "partners".
  28. +2
    26 October 2016 19: 20
    Something becomes alarming to me. For some reason, it began to seem that these statements are intended to draw us into the arms race. Well, judge for yourself, sanctions have been announced ... The economy has received a tangible blow. And then NATO began its eastward movement. We must respond ... And we respond, conduct teachings with tens of thousands of employees and thousands of units. technicians. Yes, not one or two - a lot. Who counted besides the General Staff? And this is not frail money spent. Urgent modernization of equipment and commissioning of a new one. Again not foreseeable urgent spending. Plans change and money again. You can list indefinitely. And the amounts are already measured in billions of dollars. And the expenses are increasing and increasing, and in the budget, so difficult for the country, the amounts are already astronomical. However, I understand everything. We need to survive in any situation. But do not fall apart under the burden of this race After all, money does not go to the development of the country. And from here stagnation first, and then default may occur. And despite the increase in GDP and the improvement of the economy, they still talk about difficult years ... Oh, I don’t know ... Let me be wrong. I’ll rejoice with everyone. In the meantime, alarming ...
    1. +1
      26 October 2016 20: 44
      Based on the facts known to me, I can assume the following - Napoleonic wars are prestigious wars, for Ponte. Imperialist wars of the beginning of the 20th century wars for colonies, straits, lands - territories. The complex of wars under the general name of World War II is a political, ideological war. What kind of war has not happened? Correctly! Religious Here are crooked and are preparing for this big war.
    2. +2
      26 October 2016 21: 20
      Quote: russmensch
      to drag us into an arms race.

      Woke up! Yes, she has been going for a long time! Only in our country this is called the planned rearmament, for which 20 trillion. was delayed when oil was on xnumx dull raccoons per barrel. And the Amy overslept this jerk, because Exotic engaged, toiled over different wunderwaffles. As a result, we overslept the competitor's jerk to technical superiority. Therefore, now the howl costs that we, in terms of the main types of weapons, either got them or even surpass them.
      Reaction? Sanctions, Anaconda loop from the bases around the Russian Federation, color revolutions along the borders, an attempt to excommunicate Europe from the gas needle. Hence the war in Syria, hence the barmalei in the Caucasus, etc.
      Quote: russmensch
      The economy received a tangible blow.

      Unfortunately it is so. But we are getting better: we are buying machines and technologies through third countries, we have switched to the Chinese element base, we are buying Samsung processing centers, etc. But not only! We began to make our own cars for ships, new engines for aviation and new ultramodern weapons (air defense, state defense missile defense, PLARK, rpkSNy, electronic warfare and ICBMs, tanks) And by this we stopped the economic decline. And agricultural has risen! 215 million tons of grain! Record. So, a slap in the face benefited ...
      Quote: russmensch
      stagnation first, and then default may occur.

      Stagnation is the passed stage. We are already going to end the crisis!
      But about the default (?) You obviously got excited. We have about 1400t gold, plus 68 billion in green, about the same in euros. State debt is scanty. So, about default - I see no reason for concern.
      Quote: russmensch
      after all, they still tell us about difficult years ... In the meantime, it’s alarming ...

      Of course it's alarming. The air smells of gunpowder, and this "does not contribute to pleasant digestion."
      Endurance, cohesion and patience ... What else can I say.
      IMHO.
    3. +1
      27 October 2016 04: 49
      What bothers you so much for Russia. We carry out modernization, we improve old equipment, where we deliver new. When the technique is reliable, then it is better to sleep. If you feel so bad, go to Europe, it will save you. When the liberals brought Russia to their knees, they forgot something about the army, when it was starving and there was nothing to fuel the equipment. Then the traitors of the Motherland were glad - how they sold the country of America, but the ghouls from there did not get out. The whole country was starving, and a handful of swindlers walked.
  29. +1
    26 October 2016 19: 55
    "Iskander" in the Kaliningrad region just as a token of gratitude.
  30. +1
    26 October 2016 20: 25
    The ghouls have invented something new for their people. Now they will also demand from us an official "thank you" for their concern for the tranquility of our borders.
  31. +1
    26 October 2016 20: 32
    ... Yershbou declared that Russia should be grateful to NATO for eastward expansion
    Fabulous. Why then shout that we "welcome" their expansion, our Iskander ???
  32. +1
    26 October 2016 21: 11
    Looks like a donkey
  33. 0
    26 October 2016 21: 17
    https://youtu.be/54raQD9FjQo
    That says it all.
  34. 0
    26 October 2016 21: 28
    Thanks especially for the banderlog. Did the geyropa miss her luli?
  35. 0
    26 October 2016 21: 39
    Without blinking, on a blue eye, habitually turns everything upside down and waits for ... applause!
    Just tin can!
  36. 0
    26 October 2016 22: 43
    NATO is strong only in the USA, and a bit in the UK ...

    Here on earth in Europe, NATO has no chance ... Especially unlucky in the Baltic states, Poland, Romania ...
  37. 0
    26 October 2016 22: 50
    aha, and the Japanese for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Iraq for the invasion and devastation, Yugoslavia for the "humanitarian" bombing, etc. etc.
  38. +1
    26 October 2016 22: 55
    Anglo-Saxons are cunning and resourceful - a game when opponents play according to different rules - this is the proven Anglo-Saxon method for centuries - to come up with rules that are advantageous for themselves and impose disadvantages on the enemy
    honesty between partners is not their credo
  39. +1
    27 October 2016 01: 54
    Wet UrRodov. NATO. Do not be a Soviet warrior. What is riveted
    , and ? Here are the asses.
  40. +1
    27 October 2016 02: 36
    The game is one wicket. Passed, remember everything.
  41. 0
    27 October 2016 04: 04
    Another amazing id ...
  42. +1
    27 October 2016 04: 24
    NATO has set up its bases near the border with Russia - and they are doing well. So why are there so many yells because of the Iskanders - they are also for this, so that life in Europe is stable and good. Why are there so many indignations - you are for us, we also prepare gifts for you. Russia should be happy - why does Europe frown and feel uncomfortable? This Europe is not to please.
  43. +1
    27 October 2016 05: 10
    It is not without reason that they say - keep silent, you will marry a clever one. Vershbow, it seems, had never heard of this. What was the point of this interview? For the Germans? So they believe their propaganda without it. For us? He will only hope that we will believe in this lying nonsense. Although for dispelling illusions about the All-Benevolent West - thanks.
  44. +1
    27 October 2016 05: 38
    Since Vershbow said that Russia should be grateful to NATO for expanding to the east, he is obliged to express his delight when a Russian military base is restored in Cuba.
  45. 0
    27 October 2016 06: 11
    It turns out that we should be grateful to NATO for approaching close to our borders ... Following such logic, it turns out that the USSR should be extremely grateful to Hitler in general, that in the 41st not only the DARKNESS came to its borders, but also attacked it later . Interestingly, in NATO such clinical idiots like Vershbow are specially cultivated, or they are simply hired by already fully formed schizoids ... what
  46. +1
    27 October 2016 08: 42
    Well ... proceeding from the logic of Alexander Vershbow, Europe should simply fall at the feet of Russia and kiss its sandals for placing the Iskander in Kaliningrad province ... after all, now NATO is under reliable cover from terrorists .. (Iran, North Korea ... not who cares ...) Well, how about the US missile defense in Poland, for example?
  47. +1
    27 October 2016 12: 32
    Oh, we'll be so grateful. Gratitude will undoubtedly be sent if the Western persistence does not diminish. I wonder which NATO country will be the first to broadcast the report: "The target is destroyed, the expense is one." ? laughing
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 15: 39
      In Europe, there is such a density that it’s enough - consumption 0.5
  48. 0
    27 October 2016 15: 32
    Theater of the absurdity performed by artist A. Vershbow. Liquid (literally) applause.
  49. 0
    27 October 2016 20: 28
    Yes, let's also thank them for exporting the gold reserves of the USSR (RSFSR) in the 90s and in "unknown" directions, especially a special thanks to America fool drinks