Smoke "Kuznetsova" recalls his "sick heart"

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Smoke "Kuznetsova" recalls his "sick heart"


For several days now, Europe and Russia have been discussing the campaign of the only domestic aircraft carrier to the shores of Syria. One of the most noticeable, in the literal and figurative sense, of its features was the thick smoke left by the ship, along which the movement of the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser can be easily traced even from space. Why does a modern aircraft-carrying cruiser smoke like old ships?



All weekend Russian blogosphere discussed the passage flotilla led by the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov through the English Channel, which took place on Friday evening. The most heated debate on the Web was caused by thick smoke - both dark and light in color, which the aircraft carrier emitted in view of the British coast. The press service of the Navy has not yet explained the reasons for this - it is possible that the contingency situation on board.

As she wrote on the eve of "Lenta.ru," many web users laughed at the aircraft carrier. "Users paid attention to the fact that the ship left behind him streams of thick black smoke, and compared it with the eruption of the Icelandic volcano Eyyafyadlaylyukudl in 2010 year," - said the portal. The blogger Sergey Sigachev wrote the day before how the English Channel was puzzled by this smoke, seeing in this action a violation of the ecological balance of flora and fauna. “Social networks are also in complete panic. And some particularly sensitive English-minded citizens of the Russian Federation even sent a petition to the authoritative portal change.org demanding to change the color of the smoke. The petition will be delivered to the head of the TC-5 TAVKR demanding immediate execution, ”the blogger sneered.
A TV channel "Tsargrad", relying on the opinion of the chief military adviser of the Ministry of Defense, Admiral Ivan Vasilyev, on Monday unveiled a very original version: "The smoke column that stirred many people over Admiral Kuznetsov" is not connected with breakage, but with a tribute to maritime traditions. " The admiral made it clear that the mechanics of the aircraft carrier smoked deliberately - to let the English know about their appearance: "We will assume that these are elements of the tradition understood by the sailors."

What really happened to the Russian aircraft carrier? There is no consensus on this score, but experts agree on some things.

"My heart is contracting"

The chief of staff of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy in 1992 – 1997 years, Vice Admiral Peter Svyatashov considers a thick column of smoke to be the result of several factors. “There is a possibility of a weak working out of the boiler room of the team, which is only added to after the ship leaves, which has long been at the plant. It has an imprint. There should be no constant smoking. Yes, strong smoke is possible when the ship changes speed, making a maneuver, that is, it can temporarily lift, but not constantly, ”Svyatashov told the newspaper LOOK.

In addition, the vice-admiral did not rule out that, even at the design or manufacturing stage of the ship’s propulsion system, there were flaws that still affect. It is possible, however, that the equipment was not properly adjusted before the trip. “As a result,” the vice-admiral said, “the fuel oil supplied to the combustion chamber does not have time to completely ignite, and the unburned mixture is thrown out by the fans, which causes such strong smoke. And the third factor - the equipment is already outdated. But he shouldn't smoke all the time. My heart is contracting, it should not be so. I served on an older ship, and this was not. It is ugly, ”admitted Svyatashov.



According to the first vice-president of the Academy of geopolitical problems of Captain I rank Konstantin Sivkov, it seems that “the personnel of the ship just made mistakes” in servicing the machine-boiler installation, which resulted in enhanced fuel injection - he could not completely burn. “I don’t think that the smoke is connected with the breakdown of the machinery,” Sivkov told the VIEW newspaper, noting that a long pause in the use of the ship could have affected the appearance of smoke.
As Sivkov put it, “only an idiot can send a ship with a faulty machine-boiler installation on such a long journey.” “Our naval command is reasonable and prudent people. They are well aware that if the ship goes with a faulty installation, then the transition can happen trouble - it will fail. Then towing a ship of such a displacement and with such a sail will be very problematic somewhere. So no, it's not about the installation, ”he said.

"Charles de Gaulle" is already ten years old "

However, Admiral Valentine Selivanov, commander of the Mediterranean squadron, told 12 years ago to the newspaper “Tomorrow”: “The Kuznetsov was built on a kink, in 1989, it was the time of the decline of the Soviet Union. And Kuznetsov, figuratively speaking, had a “bad heart” from birth. From the very beginning, substandard pipes were installed in its boilers. ”
Selivanov recalled how he personally sent a team to the Urals to make tubes there. "Then with a sin in half in sovereign Ukraine in Nikolaev the pipes were bent appropriately. But still they continued to flow. Therefore, we could not bring the boilers to full capacity, - the admiral complained, adding: - During the 1996 campaign, I often had only two boilers, and how many times I stayed on one boiler at all, which is a speed of no more than four knots. With such a speed, the aircraft carrier does not obey the helm, it is blown away by the wind ”.

Fund manager historical research "Foundation", physicist Alexei Anpilogov echoes the commander: "Admiral Nikolai Kuznetsov" - a ship with an unfortunate fate from the very beginning. We can say that Kuzya was literally saved from Ukraine by a miracle, at the last moment, by the efforts of enthusiasts, they overtook the unfinished ship from the quay wall of the shipyard in Nikolaev to its present base near Murmansk. "

“Blue smoke is oil, white is water”

“When I worked with ships, ship mechanics taught me a simple rule of ship smoke classification:“ Blue smoke is oil, white is water, black smoke is fuel, ”the blogger recalls in his LiveJournal. The "old man" was asked to give full speed - the "grandfather" tried. Well, as I could, - suggests Anpilogov. - With smoke and with burning into the atmosphere of a huge amount of excess fuel. But - he gave the necessary move and managed for “Peter the Great”. What is, of course, positive news". Other options for the fate of "Kuzi" could be much worse than his current situation, he believes. "Could catch up near the mooring wall in Nikolaev, like the missile cruiser" Ukraine ".

Anpilogov also believes that the mechanics before the hike did not put in order the GEM (main power plant), or did not repair the GTPA (the main turbo-gear unit) and the boilers in scheduled repair before the hike. “But I am not the Admiral of the Northern Fleet and not the Minister of Defense of Russia. So ask them why the pride of the Russian Navy is still fired from the chimney and there is an emergency fire brigade on the deck, ”summarizes Anpilogov.

“I served at Admiral Kuznetsov.” In 1990, it was also called “Tbilisi” and passed sea trials by the Black Sea. And now he’s going through the English Channel, ”recalls the author of Dozhd TV channel Alex Dubas on Monday on Facebook, admitting that,“ unlike network experts, ”he doesn’t know why there is such smoke over him. “When we had sea trials - this was not, although fire engines stood from the very beginning of the history of the aircraft carrier. Other, of course, cars. But, probably, it should be so according to the staff list. ”
It is noteworthy that the author of a liberal television channel gives an emotional rebuff to all those who mock the aircraft carrier. “Imagine the most uncomfortable house you have lived in for a long time. I do not know what it could be: a boarding school, a barracks, a hospital, a maternity hospital in an urban-type settlement ... But this is your home. Part of you, whatever one may say, your history, your destiny. Imagine, now he is shown on all channels and laughing at him, ”the journalist lists, admitting that he is experiencing conflicting feelings. “They make fotozhaby on him. The haulers are glued to it ... And this can still be understood, but ... when the captain sketches the person with soot. When they publish photos of dirty freaks and sign that they are Russian sailors, warriors ... Suddenly you get hurt. They have something to do with it? ”Dubas rhetorically asks.

“I am writing this for one purpose only. To show respect to the crew: to the captain, pilots, officers, midshipmen and sailors, who in spite of everything, under the laughter of the “enlightened” world, fulfill their military duty, ”concludes Dubas.
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  1. +5
    29 October 2016 15: 26
    Admiral Kuznetsov's smoke is a warning to those who open their mouths to Russia. A warning comes to you and burns in a firebox as in a crematorium.
    1. +31
      29 October 2016 16: 37
      Just another confirmation of the thesis that a ship of such a displacement should have an atomic power plant.
      In the case of Kuzey, there is nothing to be done that we blinded them in the 90s and use them ... for now.
      I really hope that the matter will come to a normal nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, and our deck pilots will finally receive a real formidable ship over which no one would ever laugh Yes
      1. +7
        29 October 2016 17: 01
        Totally agree with you.

        But now the main thing is for Himself to return, without outside help, and carry out a combat mission!
        1. +5
          29 October 2016 17: 11
          Quote: Titsen
          Totally agree with you.

          But now the main thing is for Himself to return, without outside help, and carry out a combat mission!

          That is yes. 7 feet under the keel and so that everyone returns safely after completing a combat mission.
        2. jjj
          +11
          29 October 2016 17: 21
          About the fire truck on the deck. When there are planes, there should be a fire truck. In general, when the ship is refueling or loading / unloading ammunition, the fire extinguishing system must be started, the sleeves are rolled out, and water must be supplied from the water cannons under low pressure
          1. jjj
            +3
            29 October 2016 17: 49


            This is a photo of Reuters. They say that this is after the English Channel. Doesn't smoke that much
            1. +1
              29 October 2016 19: 53
              Quote: jjj
              This is a photo of Reuters. They say that this is after the English Channel. Doesn't smoke that much


              No longer in a hurry ...
            2. +1
              30 October 2016 10: 28
              They burned soot in the boilers. And the nozzles are adjusted. Everything is fine. Swims where it is necessary, with a given speed - and will sail, which is typical. And he will do what is necessary.
      2. +5
        4 November 2016 10: 03
        > In the case of Kuzya, there is nothing to be done that we were blinded in the 90s and are using ... for now.

        http://ak-12.livejournal.com/61695.html

        high-pressure boilers KVG-3 with a hydraulic automatic regulation system are installed at Kuznetsovo. The knowledge of how to bring this system to an ideal state by modern mankind has been lost no less than the knowledge of how to make fire by friction has been lost. :)

        I would like to note that the maintenance of complex hydraulic systems for automatic regulation of high-pressure boilers in perfect condition was not really coped with even in the 30-40s of the last century, when the "age of steam and electricity" was not yet over. Even the Germans could not cope.

        "In practice, the control system has shown itself to be very capricious and prone to frequent breakdowns."


        During the repair, which should begin in 2017, I am sure that the KVG-3 boilers at Admiral Kuznetsov will replace the KVG-3D (or KVG-6M) boilers with an electronic automatic control system. Boilers KVG-3D were installed on the aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov" during its restructuring into the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya". These boilers do not smoke:

        "The modern microprocessor automatic control system (ACS) ensures the operation of the boiler and the turbocharging unit in automatic or remote modes without a constant watch. The automatic control system of the boiler unit is adapted to the ship's upper level control system."

        When carrying out modernization work on ships in operation, instead of the KVG-3 boiler, a modification of the KVG-6M-1 boiler unit with steam parameters P = 6 MPa and Tpe = 470 ° C, currently accepted in ship energy, while maintaining a constant temperature, is proposed overheating at all operational loads. Such a boiler unit will be fully interchangeable with the currently used boiler unit KVG-3.

        The KVG-6M boiler unit developed by SKBK is a highly efficient modern design that is competitive with gas turbine and diesel units and meets modern requirements for ship power plants. "
    2. +10
      29 October 2016 17: 52
      in general, to drive a ship to war beyond the three seas, which is not in order — this is either sloppiness — incomplete official correspondence or a crime. Our aircraft carrier, for the most part, was always on the spot of combat duty in the northern seas or stood in the port, in short, those who were involved in the aircraft carrier could not know what he was and yet the order for a distant campaign was given. as a result, the country's prestige suffers. I hope that organizational conclusions will be made and those responsible will not escape punishment.
      1. +9
        29 October 2016 18: 49
        Quote: Thought
        I hope that organizational conclusions will be made and those responsible will not escape punishment.

        What other organizational conclusions? The ship initially had an unfinished boiler turbine installation and was not designed for such trips. And now he is being chased in the tail and mane because he is the ONLY aircraft carrier cruiser in the Russian Navy. And on this point, you need to draw conclusions. And preferably as soon as possible.
        1. +5
          29 October 2016 19: 11
          Quote: GSH-18
          The ship initially had an unfinished boiler turbine installation and was not designed for such trips.


          there was plenty of time to bring the ship in compliance, it was possible to replace steam turbines and generally change them to a nuclear installation and everyone knew about it, but drove the ship. and if they knew it means a crime was committed.
          1. +7
            29 October 2016 19: 27
            Quote: Thought
            there was plenty of time to bring the ship in line

            Indicate the time period, please.
            Quote: Thought
            it was possible to replace steam turbines

            To fat?
            Quote: Thought
            and generally change to a nuclear installation

            Which will come from ... Where? Nothing that RITM reactors have just been created?
            Quote: Thought
            and everyone knew about, but drove the ship. and if they knew it means a crime was committed.

            What does it consist of? He was not sent to war, but to train under conditions close to the combat ones. The barmalei do not have a fleet, and aviation too
            1. +1
              29 October 2016 20: 08
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Indicate the time period, please.


              5 years exactly since the "revival" of the army, but generally even more.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              To fat?


              anyone that hurts ...

              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Which will come from ... Where? Nothing that RITM reactors have just been created?


              and what is your rhythm? Nuclear engines are in submarines, on a rooster, on icebreakers, on container ships, did not know?


              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              What does it consist of? He was not sent to war, but to train under conditions close to the combat ones. The barmalei do not have a fleet, and aviation too


              Well, if Nata hits and have to fight for real? Or is this not a problem for you?
              In general, I have the impression that those who gave the order for the campaign just knew what would happen next, what would be the reaction of the world to this smoke, and therefore they gave the order.
              1. +8
                29 October 2016 21: 14
                Quote: Thought
                5 years exactly since the "revival" of the army, but in general even more

                Yeah. And now we turn on and think - THERE is NOT THERE yet, but there is STILL no similar simulator in Yeysk - they brought Kuznetsov into lengthy repairs, said goodbye to aircraft carrier - there is simply nowhere to train it in the absence of a deck. As a result, today there would be neither an aircraft carrier (a change in ES would drag on much longer than a five-year period) or aircraft for him. Great, right?
                Quote: Thought
                anyone that hurts ...

                Yes, it hurts. Because the Russian Federation does NOT have the production of boiler turbine units of equal power. The Russian Federation has NO production of gas turbine units of this capacity. And therefore, for nothing but the atom, we cannot change Kuznetsov’s EU alone. But it’s not independent - only to bow to the square. As a result, they spent the money, but did not receive the EU.
                Quote: Thought
                and what is your rhythm? Nuclear engines are in submarines, on a rooster, on icebreakers, on container ships, did not know?

                Nuclear "engines" from submarines will suit an aircraft carrier ... well, about the same as engines from "Lada Kalina". Nuclear "engines" of missile cruisers have not been produced for a long time as unnecessary, and this is yesterday, it is possible to reanimate their production, but this is a waste of funds to nowhere. And on the new domestic icebreakers (surprise-surprise!) Are the same rhythms, only, so to speak, in the light version. And this is correct, because this is the most modern reactor of the new generation and it is a crime to pump it into the largest warship of the fleet without preliminary checking.
                Quote: Thought
                Well, if Nata hits and have to fight for real?

                Then the fleet is not our helper - those one and a half ships that we have on the move today, even with Kuznetsov, even without him, can only show that they know how to die with dignity. The Navy now is not work for the current defense of the country, but for the Navy to be able to provide this defense again in the FUTURE.
                Quote: Thought
                In general, I have the impression that those who gave the order for the campaign just knew what would happen next, what would be the reaction of the world to this smoke, and therefore they gave the order.

                British Daily Telegraph, article title:
                "DO NOT LAUGH AT PUTIN'S RUSTY FLEET!"
                slightly lower, with letters a little less:
                "we don’t have that either ..."
                1. 0
                  29 October 2016 21: 37
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  And now we turn on and think - during this period THREAD IS NOT ALREADY, but there is STILL no similar simulator in Yeysk - they brought


                  don’t think of problems for yourself — these are not your problems; to build this thread is not to build a ship, that there is a springboard and a finisher; what complexity is needed.

                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  languid "engines" of missile cruisers have not been produced for a long time as unnecessary,


                  since there are ships, then an engine is needed.

                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  And this is right, because it is the latest generation of the latest reactor and it’s a crime to pre-test it without first checking the fleet’s largest warship.


                  the same thing, do not think of problems for yourself. There is an old saying
                  whoever wants is looking for a way
                  and who does not want a reason
                  Russia has built several nuclear icebreakers, which means that the structure of nuclear reactors on ships has not been lost, and indeed nuclear engineering is not much that today's Russia can boast of.

                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Then the fleet is not our helper - those one and a half ships that we have on the move today, even with Kuznetsov, even without him, can only show that they know how to die with dignity.

                  let them die, only with dignity, this is the fate of warships, but not as a floating fixed target.

                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  British Daily Telegraph, article title:


                  Well, the Angles may not, but the NATO fleet, even without the United States, is thought to be superior to the Russian fleet in terms of displacement and power of a salvo, but nothing to count from the United States.
                  1. +3
                    29 October 2016 22: 25
                    Quote: Thought
                    don’t think of problems for yourself –– these are not your problems, to build this thread –– this is not a ship to build, that there is a springboard and a finisher, but what complexity

                    such complexity that the simulator in Yeysk, the decision on the construction of which was made in 2007 and the creation of which was forced in 2008, when Ukraine banned us from using THREADS, has not yet been created
                    Quote: Thought
                    since there are ships, then an engine is needed.

                    That is yes. We DO NOT have the production of normal marine diesel engines, and in the USSR there was not, but we are trying to build the entire modern surface fleet around diesel engines - corvettes, frigates, Buyans, etc.
                    With RHYTHM - the situation is just adequate, it was created, then the state will go on icebreakers - I’m sure it will go to the navy right there.
                    Quote: Thought
                    whoever wants is looking for a way
                    and who does not want a reason

                    But just in order to preserve the Russian carrier-based aviation, it was extremely necessary not to permanently disable Kuznetsov for repairs. This was done. And rightly so. It is wrong that we still have not bothered to build a new AB in addition to Kuznetsov
                    Quote: Thought
                    let them die, only with dignity, this is the fate of warships, but not as a floating fixed target.

                    With the reactor, Kuznetsov will die in battle with the 6th Fleet as a floating mobile target. What is the fundamental difference?

                    SW I’m thinking, I understand your indignation, but we will be frank - the fleet is not only a military instrument, but also a political one. As a military man, Kuznetsov is not very good, but as a political one he’ll be completely fine.
                2. 0
                  4 November 2016 10: 16
                  > Because the Russian Federation has NO production of boiler and turbine units of equal capacity.

                  http://www.nationaldefense.ru/includes/periodics/
                  navy / 2011/0607/12236491 / detail.shtml
              2. 0
                3 November 2016 14: 07
                Yes, he smokes from the moment of its exhaustion, there is nothing terrible there problems with boilers all his life. So do not have to choose
            2. +1
              30 October 2016 09: 57
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Quote: Thought
              it was possible to replace steam turbines
              To fat?

              Saving your presence.
              The high-pressure gas turbine boiler KVG-3D is designed to provide steam to the turbines of the main ship power plant and is a modernized version of the boiler KVG-1982 developed in 3. Developed by OJSC Special Design Bureau of Boiler Building. Since May 2005, a series (nine pieces) of such boilers was manufactured at the Baltic Shipyard specifically for the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier.
              1. +2
                30 October 2016 10: 29
                Yes you are right. For some reason, it seemed to me that this was a screwdriver assembly.
              2. 0
                4 November 2016 12: 40
                The developer of the boiler and the chief designer of the SKBK was my teacher Vadim Grigorievich Pildesh. It has already been indicated here - the boilers are good, but capricious in operation due to the quality of the feed water (distillate). I served on 956 with similar boilers and other "steam" gadgets - it's TIN. Our "stokers" on the "Kuza" need to wish courage and patience! Hold on Guys !!!
          2. +5
            30 October 2016 00: 14
            Say this because you have no idea about the construction of this iron. Dock this colossus. (Which dock?) During the construction, this box did not have that tonnage, dimensions and other things. They are being completed on the water. To open the case, pull out one power installation, which takes up more space than your five-story house and insert another. 10 years to stretch this modernization, including design and testing. And at this time, lose the only airship. First you should think, and then there would be no such fantasies.
            1. 0
              30 October 2016 10: 19
              Quote: doubovitski
              Dock this colossus. (Which dock?)

              Put there where the Vikramaditya stood
              Quote: doubovitski
              . Open the case, pull out one power plant, which takes up more space than your five-story house

              You exaggerate a little, the mass of 1 boiler is 37,8 tons
              Quote: doubovitski
              10 years to stretch this modernization, including design and testing.

              You can stretch it for 20 years, how many years it takes Gren to freeze, the modernization of Admiral Gorshkov took 9 years, but there the scope of work is much more than replacing a power plant, the Baltic floor of Mistral riveted over the course of a year.
              Quote: doubovitski
              And at this time, lose the only airship.

              Until the age of 14, Ukrainians leased Nitka.
              Until the cock pecked in the ass, nobody needed it, they were friends with partners.
        2. 0
          29 October 2016 19: 54
          Quote: GSH-18
          The ship initially had an unfinished boiler turbine installation and was not designed for such trips.

          And why then is it needed if it is not designed for hiking ??? Then coastal aviation is quite enough! request
          Declared range with an economical course, miles - 8500
          1. +1
            30 October 2016 00: 17
            Is it without refueling? And who will cover the warrant of ships on a campaign from the air? Americans? Or send TU160 to drive F16 away from ships?
            1. +2
              30 October 2016 10: 21
              Quote: doubovitski
              Or send TU160 to drive F16 away from ships?

              This is how they will drive them away?
      2. 0
        29 October 2016 19: 54
        Quote: Thought
        in general, to drive a ship to war beyond the three seas, which is not in order — this is either sloppiness — incomplete official correspondence or a crime. Our aircraft carrier, for the most part, was always on the spot of combat duty in the northern seas or stood in the port, in short, those who were involved in the aircraft carrier could not know what he was and yet the order for a distant campaign was given. as a result, the country's prestige suffers. I hope that organizational conclusions will be made and those responsible will not escape punishment.


        It’s too early to draw conclusions!
    3. +2
      29 October 2016 19: 23
      When burning fuel in a heat-generating installation, one of the main parameters is maintained - the coefficient of excess air, it should be about 1,2. Apparently, the equipment is not adjusted.
    4. 0
      29 October 2016 19: 47
      Quote: BOB044
      Admiral Kuznetsov's smoke is a warning to those who open their mouths to Russia. A warning comes to you and burns in a firebox as in a crematorium.

      Really funny! You won’t scare anyone with smoke today! smile
    5. +3
      29 October 2016 21: 27
      Rather, the working moment. Even the Japanese can’t do without smoke.
    6. +1
      29 October 2016 21: 38
      "The smoke of Admiral Kuznetsov is a warning" - This is a warning that boilers and turbine-toothed units at Kuznetsov may fail at the most inopportune moment - with fire and explosion.
    7. 0
      30 October 2016 09: 49
      Quote: BOB044
      The smoke of Admiral Kuznetsov is ...

      Yes, we do not know what it is!
      Many different insinuations from the naval and distant from the fleet and all ...
      Does he always smoke or in certain modes?
      Well, a certain excess of fuel is supplied, or, conversely, a weak injection of air into the boilers in some operating modes ...
      Most likely, this is not such a serious failure, otherwise it would not have been sent on a long hike. They will eliminate a malfunction in the fuel supply equipment, it is possible that it is not even a mechanic, but a "failure in the program" and it will stop smoking.
      And Russophobic media are always trying to denigrate Russia and its armed forces: they say, the tanks are rusty, Kuzya smokes, the bombs are not selective.
      Until they are poured into their customers, then the tone changes: oh, oh, what an inadequate power against the poor barmaley, Georgian Saaki, Banderlog and "similar syphilis" as the famous literary hero used to say.
      And their laughs disappear, like the black smoke of Admiral Kuznetsov over the ocean.
    8. 0
      30 October 2016 12: 39
      Is it really not clear that the mercilessly gentle ship is a very strong anti-advertisement. Like, Russians even have low-quality aircraft carriers. I personally never liked when in Hollywood films they showed Russian astronauts with earflaps, sledgehammers repairing sparkling orbital stations. The tender aircraft carrier only strengthens such a philistine mood. You need to punish for this - send a ship with an unregulated engine on a hike.
  2. +4
    29 October 2016 15: 32
    Seriously, does anyone know the true cause of smoke?
    1. +24
      29 October 2016 15: 53
      Leaky boilers KVVA (8 for "Kuzi" and 4 for 956?), And the difference in the displacement of both? Boiler tubes burst from "salt", desalination plants do not work well, and in Mediterranean (where the salinity of water is even higher) it will be even worse (this has already been written and argued a lot). The broken pipes are drowned out, the boilers are working at the limit, but with maximum load - all the fuel oil in the firebox does not burn, therefore they "heat in black" (black smoke). In order to reduce the "blackness", add the RPM (turbocharging). In general, you will not envy the watch mechanics: "I could not stand the watch any longer"? Good luck to our courageous guys and strength to complete military service successfully! Good luck to you, "Admiral Kuznetsov"!
      1. +2
        29 October 2016 20: 32
        Quote: KudrevKN
        Leaky boilers KVVA (8 for "Kuzi" and 4 for 956?), And the difference in the displacement of both? Boiler tubes burst from "salt", desalination plants do not work well, and in Mediterranean (where the salinity of water is even higher) it will be even worse (this has already been written and argued a lot). Broken pipes are drowned out, boilers operate at their limit, but with maximum load - all fuel oil in the furnace does not burn,

        Hare tell tales-horror stories in the style of "retvisan-Varangian". The usual process of burning fuel oil, Pipes at a CHPP when burning fuel oil smoke even worse, no one shouts that the boilers are torn and the pipes are minted. just very good good psychological technique, as well as the passage of the AUG itself on the English Channel.
        Kuzi's normal heart ...
        1. +5
          29 October 2016 21: 01
          I envy you, Mark, or rather your youth! And I was not lucky, you know: an internship at the TARK "Minsk" and service as a watch mechanic under the echelon permanently at 956 (BS in the Persian Gulf for 7 months in 1988). Usually "wick" from the cap for "black smoke": "Take the galoshes off the deceased" !? Or, "Mechanics (oil droppers), do not drown with tires! They see you at the Pentagon"!
          1. +2
            29 October 2016 21: 54
            Thank you dear KudrevKN for complimenting my age, but this is perhaps more a state of mind than a body. Unfortunately, I didn’t walk the seas, the pipes of the thermal power station turned out to be closer to me according to my specifics. But why did I come to the conclusion about the more or less decent condition of the Kuznetsov power plant? Maybe this is very amateurish, but in my deep conviction V.V.P. it will never allow you to go off in front of everyone in such a tense moment and will not release a faulty laiba on a campaign (well, there is no urgent need for this, not a matter of momentary life and death) This smoke is clearly demonstrative so that "the Pentagon can be seen." The boilers, of course, were put in order before the hike, maybe even at the expense of the 0s
    2. +1
      29 October 2016 16: 46
      Home - "Kuzya" did not undergo major repairs, only small and medium-sized ones.
      It seems like one boiler is completely dead, and on the others, most likely, the boilers were configured for incomplete burnout of fuel, so that the pipes would be saved, And then they issued a full stroke - that’s the smoke that fell.
  3. +17
    29 October 2016 15: 35
    You can write and comment on anything, but every mechanic knows it's a shame !!! and God forbid "smoke" to the tug.
  4. +1
    29 October 2016 15: 39
    Hedgehog it is clear that the abundance of smoke is somehow connected with the engine, and the statement that this is a tribute to the tradition is only for primary school age to ride.
    Svyatashev’s opinion that flaws were made at the design or manufacturing stage are doubtful: haven’t anyone revealed these flaws in so many years?
  5. +3
    29 October 2016 15: 46
    "Could catch up near the mooring wall in Nikolaev, like the missile cruiser" Ukraine ".
    Rather, I would now fly under the Chinese flag ...
  6. 0
    29 October 2016 15: 50
    Whose diesel engines are there?
    1. +2
      29 October 2016 15: 56
      And another question - whose turbochargers of diesel boosts are there?
      If these are my "acquaintances", then you can tell a bunch of interesting stories about morals and fucking in this industry ..
    2. +4
      29 October 2016 16: 22
      Quote: JustMe
      who diesel stand there?

      Quote: JustMe
      whose turbochargers are diesel boosts?

      ... what kind of inna diesel ?!
      Power installation of a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser (TAVKR) “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov”
      Steam turbines - 4 × 50 thousand horsepower
      Number of boilers - 8
      Number of screws - 4
      Turbo Generator Power - 9 × 1500 Kilowatts
      Maximum Speed ​​- 29 Knots
      1. +1
        29 October 2016 16: 31
        I see - I was wrong
    3. 0
      29 October 2016 20: 09
      Quote: JustMe
      Whose diesel engines are there?

      . Four-shaft steam turbine power plant with a capacity of 20 thousand liters. with. GEM allows the ship to develop a full speed of 29 knots and go through an 18-knot course of 8 thousand miles.
      The installation consists of eight boilers, there is no auxiliary power installation.
      The movement is due to the rotation of four bronze screws
    4. +1
      29 October 2016 23: 01
      Where is there? on a fire engine on the deck unless.
  7. +4
    29 October 2016 15: 51
    That's why we need an atomic aircraft carrier !!!!!
    1. 0
      29 October 2016 21: 43
      We won’t even see a nuclear carrier in the distant future - a very expensive and complex ship.
  8. +7
    29 October 2016 15: 51
    In fact, it's a shame that it smokes so much.
    My opinion is not, post repost from Military materials.
    Guest Alexey October 23, 2016 09:58
    bullshit all this talk.
    Actually nothing.
    what a difference what boilers! As a heating engineer, I can say that there is simply a poor preparation of the gas-air mixture. the reasons may vary. from poor quality fuel, to an unadjusted (adjusted if you like) air pressure sensor in the boiler furnace, well, either dead at all, or put in the place of the dead, another unsuitable one. Or else, the charge fan does not work correctly, that is, it is not coordinated with the fuel pressure sensor on the burner. And there are many more reasons for the poor preparation of the gas-air mixture. That is why the fuel is underburned with the formation of all kinds of oxides and carbon monoxide "CO", in this case soot. As for the evaporators (if you understood correctly, this is the upper drum of the boiler), then it is necessary to solve the issue of water treatment for the boiler, in it (HVO-chemical water treatment), especially for steam, especially for boilers with fuel combustion with a significant excess of pressure in the furnace when burning, very high quality is needed. if it is not, let's say, modern (sodium cationization, deferrization, and so on, and even better - reverse osmosis), then in my opinion it is necessary to resolve the issue with the material of this evaporator so that scale and solid sediments do not accumulate. That's all.
    1. +5
      29 October 2016 20: 44
      Quote: sabakina
      In fact, it's a shame that it smokes so much.

      Do you seriously think that only Kuzya smokes like that?
  9. +11
    29 October 2016 15: 53
    I write this for only one purpose. Show respect to the crew: the captain, pilots, officers, midshipmen and sailors, who, in spite of everything, under the laughter of the "enlightened" world, fulfill their military duty
    I fully support the respect for the personnel, and I wish them a successful campaign, and that everything would be without technical problems, and that "Kuzya" would return home with honor in full force, having completed all the tasks! He is still the one and only! We just need our own experience to create new aircraft carriers.
  10. +3
    29 October 2016 15: 54
    Quote: adma
    Seriously, does anyone know the true cause of smoke?

    Who can know better than the operators? And so long ago I heard about problems with the power. An acquaintance served on Kuz in the 90s, and then there were problems, he said, behind Kuzey, tons of fuel oil spread along the surface. Since nothing has been fixed for so much time, it means innate ... By the way, I read that this power unit was unified with pr.956, so they too quickly left the system in the majority, and they also say because of the steam turbine installation ..
    1. +4
      29 October 2016 18: 14
      In my opinion, there is not enough air pressurization, or the chimney is narrowed, which is the same. If the tubes were burned out in the boiler, it would soar, white smoke would go. If the normal fuel oil would still regulate the fuel-air supply. At low load, the broaches are visible Strictly do not judge if something is wrong, judging by the boiler of an asphalt factory, also causes problems.
  11. +2
    29 October 2016 15: 58
    s ........ and with this smoke, the tavkr, under this tedious whine, will be in place from day to day, I propose to mock at the trace left for a moment 29
    1. 0
      29 October 2016 20: 21
      Quote: vanavate
      s ........ and with this smoke, the tavkr, under this tedious whine, will be in place from day to day, I propose to mock at the trace left for a moment 29

      Trying to make a good face with a bad game? smile
  12. 0
    29 October 2016 16: 14
    smoked in the strait, and now?
  13. +10
    29 October 2016 16: 24
    Yes, it's all clear ... and about the "heart" is sick, and about numerous other technical "troubles" and about the "stagnant" crew .... Personally, I don't understand now; first they gave on the "air" information about the planned combat work of the air wing in Syria, followed by infa that the "Kuzi" aircraft will not work in Aleppo .... Now, this obviously too long pause in the work of aviation ..., supposedly we are waiting for our American partners (as GDP calls mattress makers) supposedly deal with the breeding "on the sides" of all oppositions existing in Syria. Is it really not clear that the Americans are not going to breed anyone there, they will use every opportunity to achieve their own goals ... until the last ISIS suicide bomber. What is there to do "Kuze" with his "sores" if the pilots are not allowed to work, it is not at all clear. Demonstration of the flag ...? Yes, there is someone to "demonstrate" and without him. Some kind of ridiculous demonstration of a serious AUG allegedly existing in Russia.
    1. 0
      29 October 2016 23: 01
      It is necessary to demonstrate - then the children of today's flyers will receive a modern aircraft carrier.
      The potato growing cycle (90 days) does not coincide with the construction of aircraft carriers.
  14. +3
    29 October 2016 16: 36
    As Sivkov put it, “only” can send a ship with a faulty machine-boiler installation on such a long voyage. “Our naval command is reasonable and balanced people. They are well aware that if the ship goes with a malfunctioning installation, then trouble can occur at the transition - it will fail ... ” Unfortunately, such ones exist quite well and often have very high military ranks and positions.
  15. 0
    29 October 2016 17: 08
    I would not be surprised if it later turns out that this smoke was drawn in Photoshop. Ukrainians yes pin ... dosov not rust. All the prowlers now will lull this smoke for a long time. And do not grind your teeth, I also can’t put you a minus. laughing
  16. 0
    29 October 2016 17: 10
    "Kuzya was literally saved from Ukraine by a miracle, at the last moment, by the efforts of enthusiasts, they overtook the unfinished ship from the quay wall of the shipyard in Nikolaev to its current base near Murmansk." It's strange. I read an article about how Kuzya was hijacked from Sevastopol at night, without running lights, half of the team that was on the shore and aircraft. At the end of 1991
    1. 0
      30 October 2016 12: 38
      what are you p ... u in bast shoes !!!! I read a stoned one, Kuznetsov went to the KSF in 91st, accompanied by the Yamal PSK, to the Yamal MR-500, and so from Sevas in the 92nd they kicked out the sahaidachny skr on the raid, which he put on the head start "the fourth additional" is the beginning of debilitation on the Ukrainian military courts, then it only got worse, December 1992, there were no Ukrainian ships in Sevas
  17. +11
    29 October 2016 17: 15
    That is, our aircraft carrier is discussing everything, but the NATO ship is normal!
    1. +2
      29 October 2016 19: 33
      Moreover, the latest.
      1. 0
        30 October 2016 10: 50
        Quote: Siberia 9444
        That is, our aircraft carrier is discussing everything, but the NATO ship is normal!

        Quote: Boris Sorokin
        Moreover, the latest.

        The fact of the matter is that the NATO ship smokes, this is not normal.
        They have normal like this
        1. 2-0
          +1
          30 October 2016 11: 53
          Even Invincible does not smoke a type of Wasp, destroyers and cruisers do not smoke. NDA, NATO, lords of the seas. Go through this squadron, hobbling SF wave will wash away!
  18. 0
    29 October 2016 18: 29
    Yes As Chatsky said: "And the smoke of the fatherland is sweet and pleasant to us!"
  19. +3
    29 October 2016 18: 35
    "Kuzya" for some time, literally hijacked from Nikolaevsk. With an unfinished dviglom. In the north they tried to finish up, but the lack of qualified specialists, those who designed and built, affected. Understandably, no one from Ukraine to the North Pole wanted to move. Since then, these old sores have remained.
    It is painful and bitter to look at what in reality should embody the power and strength of the state before the whole world. on "this - chapat" over three seas, and even manage to carry out combat missions at the same time, says a lot.
    1. Cat
      0
      29 October 2016 18: 49
      Nothing to break through !!!
  20. 0
    29 October 2016 19: 23
    I recall the passage of the Baltic Fleet to the Japanese War, just across the English Channel !!
  21. 2-0
    0
    29 October 2016 19: 37
    Maleho shamefully of course ...
    It makes sense to show the flag, but if the ship stands up, it will be a shame - for a long time. And in Syria from him, no sense. Especially from "Peter" with an escort. Whom to scare? 6th fleet, this is not serious!

    Here in the article it was said that he gave "full", did not lag behind "Peter". The author, it has long been said that the squadron moves at the speed of the slowest. And the slow one is "Chiker", unfortunate 18 knots. This is how the detachment crawls ...
    1. 0
      30 October 2016 10: 57
      Quote: 2-0
      And the slow one is "Chiker", unfortunate 18 knots. This is how the detachment crawls ...

      So the American AUG with a speed of 18-20 knots go through the seas, you wrote something wrong.
      1. 2-0
        0
        30 October 2016 11: 37
        Is the AUG form written? Or they themselves measured ...
        1. 0
          30 October 2016 14: 33
          Quote: 2-0
          Is the AUG form written? Or they themselves measured ...

          The cruiser Ticonderoga and the destroyers Arly Berki with the GTU and the cruising speed of 18-20 knots go with the aircraft carrier, as part of the AOG, if they go faster, at a speed of 30 knots, they burn off all diesel fuel in an hour and take the engines with the transmission, it’s like an airplane, can fly on afterburner but uses it rarely and not for long.
    2. 0
      4 November 2016 10: 01
      Maleho shamefully of course ...

      to be honest, spit, well, smoke, twists the screws there or cooks pasta cook ..
      generation fb sucks another news feed
  22. +1
    29 October 2016 19: 43
    Let them laugh at the smoke of their newest vessels.
    I saw in the internet how they approached the city of their vaunted .. choked with black smoke, the only way! Like an ancient vessel, beginning of the 20th century! So do not be here.
  23. 0
    29 October 2016 19: 47
    Quote: 2-0
    It makes sense to show the flag, but if the ship stands up, it will be a shame - for a long time. And in Syria from him, no sense. Especially from "Peter" with an escort. Whom to scare? 6th fleet, this is not serious!
    Here in the article it was said that he gave "full", did not lag behind "Peter". The author, it has long been said that the squadron moves at the speed of the slowest. And the slow one is "Chiker", unfortunate 18 knots. This is how the detachment crawls ...

    And their latest with a loss of stroke, water in the engine .. Is it a shame or where ??
    Laughs half the world! So what?
    Nobody was going to "frighten" the 6th fleet. They go to complete the task, if there is such a need.
    Only they, already not so freely will feel themselves, having our group nearby.
    1. 2-0
      +2
      30 October 2016 11: 44
      Citizen "VladimS"! You probably forgot that "their" 69th "Burke" is in the bookmark. And even if 10 stops, the US Navy is on a roll.
      And then the WHOLE Northern Fleet hobbles, if it stops, a shame on the whole world. Once again.
      For the task ... And what task? I do not know the thoughts of the General Staff and personally the President and the former master builder, now in defense, are not aware, but I can assume. Thing than there is, that's all.

      About "feel at ease". And you look at the operational situation, even off the coast of Syria there is no one "them", who, what and where to feel?
  24. 0
    29 October 2016 20: 05
    it was a smoke screen ...
  25. 0
    29 October 2016 20: 45
    I’m not a sailor or a doctor, I don’t make a diagnosis, but I suppose - if I smoked, and it interested someone - the joke passed! Navy rules !!!
  26. 0
    29 October 2016 20: 54
    This boatswain threw pissing rags into the firebox, so that everyone would hysteria about the fucking heart and the dying Admiral Kuznetsov!
  27. 0
    29 October 2016 22: 56
    Anpilogov also believes that the mechanics did not put the power plants (main power plant) in order before the trip, or the GTZA (main turbo-gear unit) and boilers in scheduled repair were not repaired before the trip.
    --We are for iron or iron for us --- let it rot and fall apart at the seams. but it will fulfill its purpose. I allow him to smoke (like steamers of the 19th century) until the appearance of a new aircraft carrier (if there are no other commanders and commanders-in-chief for bloggers).
    Grimy: "do what you like, but get the launch from the bottom to the bottom" The move should be
  28. +1
    29 October 2016 23: 27
    Yes, already tired of reading about it! Does anyone even know how a fuel oil boiler works? I’ve been working in this area for ten years, so believe me there was smoke from fuel oil and it will be !!! In our village, we start a gas pipeline for prevention when we turn off a heating plant, there, by the way, the fraction is much lighter, it even smokes, so some people get a present !!!!
  29. 0
    29 October 2016 23: 37
    Sorry pah not a gift but a fire, of course! Android he is!
  30. +1
    30 October 2016 00: 23
    Well, smoke is smoke and what's wrong, the noise was raised as I don’t know what! Their ships also poison the smoke and what now? Let them smoke our smoke let them breathe a little!
    1. +2
      30 October 2016 02: 36
      In general, all this banter about the smoke of our ship reminds me of the Sochi Olympics. Then, too, spiteful critics climbed out of their hands to slander and fast. And the photo of the Olympic flame with black smoke, and toilets without partitions ... well, when the ring didn’t open, so some almost suffocated in ecstasy.
      But as with the Olympics the same way now, Russia will have the last word. And our aircraft carrier will sail where it is necessary, fulfill the order and return home. I do not even doubt.

      1. 2-0
        +3
        30 October 2016 11: 58
        Fhvty!
        After Russia's last word at the Sochi Olympics, Russia was shamefully partially admitted to Rio and not admitted to the Paralympics. No one began to listen to the last word. But Russia washed her spit and smiles ...
        1. 0
          30 October 2016 13: 40
          Duc we have tank biathlon, but YOU HAVE no, so it's easy, a shot from the Novorossiysk "seven" in your rolls !!!!!! tyk skat, for cleaning, and Kuznetsov eats and listens, he's not an aircraft carrier, he's a TAVKR that's more solid
  31. +2
    30 October 2016 02: 53
    Smokes as if he had a fire inside ...
    But no one in serious English-language publications especially laughs at the smoke.
    Specially searched on the net. They write quite respectfully, although many mention that he goes on hikes only with a tug, and some point to the smoke in this campaign, but respectfully. An old aircraft carrier, but still a significant force. Too lazy to insert and translate quotes. You yourself can search. Respectfully!
    Maybe they filled in some crude oil or something that does not completely burn out.
    The advantage of the ship is the ability to fill almost everything that burns (and that is not a pity).
  32. 0
    30 October 2016 14: 14
    Problems with the power plant of destroyers 956 and the aircraft carrier can be eliminated only by replacing the power plant with a new one, even a steam turbine one. A vocational school installation has some advantages over a gas turbine in terms of using cheap fuel oil, but it requires careful adjustment and water treatment.
  33. +1
    30 October 2016 19: 23
    Yes, everything is simple:

  34. +3
    31 October 2016 10: 14
    Old pimped. Collected all the ships that can swim further beyond the Barents, but noise. Units the real result of this campaign is that the militarists in NATO will knock out another budget for themselves. Nevertheless, they understand that the same planes would be thrown 100 times cheaper and more efficiently into Latakia. But no, we supposedly have an aircraft carrier. Man and Parachute. The projection of power - ridiculously real to tears - tears of sadness at what. You need to invest money - hundreds of billions of $ and not steal at the same time. That in princnip of course impossible task for the Russian Federation (
  35. 0
    1 November 2016 13: 39
    Quote: 2-0
    2-0

    Citizen 2.0 on the way out, with things ... you would be told at another time.
    Well, how much can I say. The entire northern fleet ... What kind of nonsense is Bandera ???

    The projection of power - ridiculously real to tears - tears of sadness at what. You need to invest money - hundreds of billions of $ and not steal at the same time. That in princnip of course impossible task for the Russian Federation (

    Who to invest in you ?? And do not steal, or the rank is not possible?
    Or ships of the ocean zone, according to pike, for a month, are being built ...?
    Most bribe-takers are just babies compared to the same amers, however.
    1. 0
      2 November 2016 15: 31
      Yes, I say what to invest. And not window dressing to do. To invest and not to steal) a simple truth - why hold it with her)
    2. +2
      2 November 2016 15: 37
      "kids compared to the same amers." Current they have 10 aircraft carriers alone. In the USSR, even this did not happen, we would have to steal so that after that the Atomic Nimitz would remain in the fleet)
    3. 0
      4 February 2017 13: 52
      Quote: VladimS
      Most bribe-takers are just babies compared to the same amers, however.
      If this were so, their economy, and at the same time the army and navy would not exceed ours 10 times.
  36. 0
    3 November 2016 11: 44
    How many speculators on the topic of smoke voted that! There may be several true reasons for excessive smokiness. But as the Colleagues wrote, the presence of black smoke in the boiler system means chemical underburning of the fuel, and the excess of this fuel is released into the atmosphere. The first thing to check is whether "Kuzya" is suffocating, whether it has enough air for the complete combustion of fuel oil. And then not the whole trip he smokes, mb a team of boiler workers set up the equipment. Has anyone started the car after the winter step? What, Euro 5 on the exhaust? And let the jokes be joked by those who do not understand the sofa hacks! Soon this smoke will be smelled out the window!
  37. 0
    4 November 2016 23: 26
    Quote: GSH-18
    Just another confirmation of the thesis that a ship of such a displacement should have an atomic power plant.
    In the case of Kuzey, there is nothing to be done that we blinded them in the 90s and use them ... for now.
    I really hope that the matter will come to a normal nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, and our deck pilots will finally receive a real formidable ship over which no one would ever laugh Yes


    and you in vain think that KUZYA is not a formidable ship. Look at its armament and defense only. he is very menacing and dangerous. And NATO understands this too. therefore tantrums roll up. plus it has a lot of new stuffed in. and in his launch mines I won’t be surprised if the calibers turn out to be))
    1. 0
      4 November 2016 23: 34
      Quote: warlock
      and you in vain think that KUZYA is not a formidable ship. Look at its weapons and protection only. he is very menacing and dangerous. And NATO understands this too. because hysteria roll up.plus there’s a lot of new stuff in it. but in his launch mines I won’t be surprised if the caliber turns out to be))

      indeed, there is something for all NATU to get right on the spot.
  38. 0
    4 November 2016 23: 56
    “When we had sea trials - this was not, although fire engines stood from the very beginning of the history of the aircraft carrier. Other, of course, cars. But, probably, it should be so according to the staff list. ”

    I am not special in diesels and aircraft carriers. But on fire engines, I think that this is a standard equipment from flight support.
    And through the smoke - as we are still smoking throughout the whole country, we have such adjusters and specialists from the liberals.
  39. 0
    5 November 2016 22: 34
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: warlock
    and you in vain think that KUZYA is not a formidable ship. Look at its weapons and protection only. he is very menacing and dangerous. And NATO understands this too. because hysteria roll up.plus there’s a lot of new stuff in it. but in his launch mines I won’t be surprised if the caliber turns out to be))

    indeed, there is something for all NATU to get right on the spot.


    respected sarcasm, or do you seriously think that "Kuzyu" is not afraid of NATO ??? it is not for nothing that they squeal like rabid. and how the states have admitted in all their hearing that their actions in many countries have brought only trouble. I think this is also connected with this, it is possible that a step in this region from a hot clash between us and the states.
  40. 0
    10 July 2017 15: 07
    He was familiar with the sailor who served on Kuznetsovo and he said that they themselves asked why such smoke? And they were told "so it is, when we pass along the borders of the alleged enemy"! There were no more questions and emergencies too!

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