Knife scout HP-43 "Cherry": a historical mystery

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Perhaps the most famous domestic army knife is the HP-43 Cherry product. This sample is cold weapons became widely known and became the subject of interest of many collectors and users. In addition, many manufacturers of knives showed interest in this design, resulting in the release of numerous modernized replicas. Despite all the fame story The HP-43 knife is still the subject of controversy. Some circumstances of its appearance have not yet been established and, apparently, will never be known.

According to the most common and well-known version, the knife HP-43 was created during World War II as a replacement for the existing sample. Since 1940, the Red Army has been equipped with a NA-40 opener (the alternative designation of HP-40 is also found), created taking into account the operating experience of other similar weapons. ON-40 managed to establish itself as a military weapon and an economic tool. At the same time, there were some shortcomings that should be corrected in new projects. In particular, the specific shape of the knife cross, calculated for use in battle, made it difficult to cut various objects and materials with a straight grip.




Product HP-43 and its sheath. Photo Marianko A.A., Mack A.A. "Army short blade of the 20th century: on earth, in the heavens and at sea"


In 1943, a new army knife called HP-43 was adopted. “Knife scout arr. 1943 G. ”was a modified and improved version of the existing ON-40. The design of some parts was revised, and a completely new handle of non-standard material appeared. At the same time, however, the blade remained the same, only its shank, which is necessary for connection with the handle, has changed. In this form, the weapon went into series and soon became the regular armament of various military units, primarily, as its name suggests, reconnaissance.

Over time, the knife was called "Cherry". It is believed that this name appeared because of the peculiarities of the stamp put on the product. The stylized handwritten letter “P” on the stamp resembled the peasant fruit of a common tree. Such a similarity, noticed by unknown knife operators, has led to the appearance of an unofficial nickname. To date, the simple nickname of the knife has become a real brand.

Knife scout HP-43 "Cherry": a historical mystery
Stamp "P" on the blade, which became the reason for the appearance of the name "Cherry". Photo Guns.allzip.org


According to a number of sources, the HP-43 knife remained in service with the Soviet army until the sixties, after which, along with other similar products, it gave up its place to regular bayonet knives of machine guns. Special units of the army and security forces, however, did not abandon such weapons and continued to use them until the nineties. It is alleged that some fighters of individual structures, as well as a number of foreign units, are still using HP-43 and so far do not intend to abandon it.

In recent decades, the 1943 model knife of the year has become known to the general public. Lucky collectors managed to get the original knife, released for the Soviet armed forces, and for all the others, several companies started producing exact replicas of the product. To date, the knife HP-43 "Cherry" has become an integral part of the history of domestic cold weapons, of great interest to all interested in this subject.

The “classic” design of the HP-43 knife is as follows. The product retains the knife blade ON-40 with a length of about 150 mm, width 22 mm and thickness 2,6 mm. The blade has a one-sided sharpening and bevel oblique ("pike"). Blades bevels occupy at least half the width. Sharpening the blade leaves a small heel near the cross. In connection with the new method of mounting the blade in the handle, the shank underwent some changes: a short cylindrical protrusion with a thread appeared on it. In the heel area, the marks of the manufacturer were applied to the blade.


Modern knife HP-43 parsed. Photo Green7-62.livejournal.com


The most recognizable feature of the knife "Cherry" is the handle of the new design. Instead of the “anatomical” wooden one used on NA-40, a symmetrical plastic was used with a thickening in the central part reducing the thickness in the direction of the cross and the top. For convenient retention on the handle, five transverse grooves covering the part were provided, as well as cut flat side sections with three horizontal grooves. Inside the handle there was a channel to install the shank. The fixing of the latter was carried out with the help of a nut-pommel with a large cap having a flat slot. The “classic” look of the HP-43 implies the use of green plastic, but there are also products with black trim.

Unlike the HP-40, Cherry received a straight cross with a simple design. To protect the hand, a flat piece of small thickness is used, having triangular protrusions with rounded tops. The bending of the cross to the handle or the blade is not provided.


Various stamps found on the Cherry blades. Photo Marianko A.A., Mack A.A. "Army short blade of the 20th century: on earth, in the heavens and at sea"


The knife was completed with leather sheath, consisting of several parts. To store the blade, a device was used consisting of two leather parts connected with rivets. The enlarged leather band had holes for hanging the scabbard on the belt, as well as slots for installing the fixing strap. The latter should have covered the handle and not let the knife fall out.

The total length of the HP-43 knife was approximately 260 mm with a blade length of about 150 mm. Product weight - about 150 g.

According to the well-known version of the origin of the knife, the first serial HP-43 were released by the Zlatoust tool factory-combine them. IN AND. Lenin ("ZIK"). However, no valid evidence of this was missing. Moreover, the early history of the knife was based only on a few photographs and statements, not supported by facts. These circumstances forced the specialists of the Zlatoust weapons factory (as the former tool factory is now called) to sort out the situation and find out the true history of the weapons allegedly produced by their enterprise.


Employees of the "Vympel" and "Alpha", 4 October 1993 g. The fighter in the foreground can see the knife HP-43 in the sheath. Photo RIA News


The version of the Cherry linkage and the enterprise from Zlatoust originated on the basis of a single photograph of a knife with a stamp bearing the letters Zik 1943. Subsequently, similar products with stamps "IMZ 1945", similar to the designations of the Zlatoust weapons of a later release, appeared. Other similar knives with other symbols and marks also made themselves felt. However, gunsmiths expressed doubt about the possibility of producing such products during the Great Patriotic War.

The main reason for doubt was plastic handles. In the first half of the forties, the enterprise "Zeke" simply did not have the opportunity to produce such products. The NA-40 series knives were equipped with wooden handles and sheaths. Plastic of the neo-lekikorit type was used only with the release of premium and general cold steel. Bars of this material were brought from Novosibirsk in small quantities and then processed manually. Then they could not stamp the necessary plastic parts.


Modern replica of HP-43 from the Zlatoust weapons factory. Photo Zlatoust weapons factory / Zof.ru


The researchers also failed to find any references to the HP-43 knife in the archives. At the same time, it is known that the Zlatoust instrumental complex at that time had serious problems with labor, because of which it could not even fulfill the set production tasks. So, in 1943, the plant was supposed to supply more than 1,3 million ON-40 knives, however, only 388 thousands were handed over. In such conditions, the adjustment of the production of a new model of weapons looked unreal. Thus, in 1943 a year or later, the HP-43 scout knife was not produced in Zlatoust.

Nevertheless, gunsmiths from Zlatoust still worked on the development of knives. In 1944, work was underway to create a new army knife. For a number of reasons, this development has not reached the series. Only a few dozen samples were made, after which work stopped. The further fate of the pre-production knives is unknown. Apparently, they did not remain idle, and found some use.

Known information says that the HP-43 knives could hardly go into the series at a specified time. The design and materials of the handle clearly indicate that these products appeared after the end of World War II. There is a version that can explain this feature of weapons, as well as to justify the presence of stamps of the forties.


Product with black plastic handle. Photo Zlatoust weapons factory / Zof.ru


According to this version, which has not yet received a valid confirmation, in the seventies or eighties, the stocks of blades for the NA-40 knives were stored at the Zlatoust plant. These products were sent to some other enterprises, where they were equipped with a straight crosspiece and a plastic handle. This explains the unusual features of the weapon. Specialists from Chrysostom, in turn, make some adjustments to this version. They argue that in the seventies "Zeke" could not have a stock of blades, especially with the stamps of military acceptance.

Blades for "Cherries" were probably taken from warehouses. The stored knives of ON-40 were sent for rework, where they lost their old wooden handles and regular sheaths, instead of which they made new products. After that, knives with plastic handles and leather sheath began to be supplied to various units of the armed forces and security forces.

The version of the appearance of the knives HP-43 not earlier than the seventies receives indirect confirmation in the form of the time of the appearance of the first mentions of such weapons. The earliest references to the Cherry knife refer to the war in Afghanistan, where it was widely used by fighters of different types of troops. Subsequently, this army knife was repeatedly seen during other events.


Modern "Cherry" and its sheath with a strap for the handle. Photo Zlatoust weapons factory / Zof.ru


Despite the lack of complete and accurate information about the origin of the weapon and its history as a whole, the knife of the HP-43 scout “Cherry” is of great interest to the interested public. The answer to this was the emergence of many modern knife replicas produced by various enterprises. Modern "Cherries" are produced by both domestic and foreign (primarily Chinese) enterprises. Replicas differ from each other and from the original in the materials used, the shape and configuration of the individual parts, etc. As a result, there are differences in various characteristics.

One of the manufacturers of modern replicas of the "historical" knife is the Zlatoust arms factory. Consider the current version of "Cherry" on the example of its products. Zlatoust produces knives that look as close as possible to the original. At the same time, some measures were taken to change the classification of the product. New "Cherry" is not a cold weapon and belongs to the class of tourist knives.

Buyers are offered a knife with a blade of steel 40X10С2М (EI-107), the geometric parameters of which correspond to the original product. Blade hardness - 56-58 HRC. The handle is made of elastollan black or green. A characteristic feature of such a handle is softness with the ability to "adapt" to the user's hand. The knife is equipped with leather sheath with the possibility of suspension on the belt.


In addition to the brand "Zeke 1943" new products receive modern labels. Photo Zlatoust weapons factory / Zof.ru


Other manufacturers of knives and cold weapons produce products of similar configuration. Due to the numerous differences of modern replicas, it is possible to choose a product that most closely matches the views and desires of the customer regarding the color, shape of the blade, material, cost, etc.

Knife scout HP-43 "Cherry" is of great interest from a historical point of view. In addition, it is interesting for its fame in combination with other features. As it turned out, the well-known history of this product does not correspond to reality and, apparently, is a legend of a relatively recent appearance. At the same time, despite this, “Cherry” is widely known among professionals and amateurs, and also enjoys a certain popularity.

The history of the knife HP-43 looks different. However, this is not so important. The knife in the form of modern replicas is popular and is used in various fields, primarily as a household tool for one purpose or another. This fact indicates that the design of the knife "Cherry", which is a further development of the HA-40 product, has proven to be very successful and convenient to use. And if the tool is convenient and effective, then it does not matter when it appeared - in the forties or in the seventies.


Based on:
http://z-o-f.ru/
http://russianguns.ru/
http://holodnoe-oruzhie.ru/
http://green7-62.livejournal.com/
Maryanko A.A., Mak A.A. Army short blade of the 20th century: on the ground, in the heavens and at sea. - SPb .: “MAC”, 2007
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  1. +16
    25 October 2016 06: 35
    The main secret ... the indestructible steel from which the blade is made.
    I have a sapper blade 43 years old ... the soul does not rejoice ... does not rot, does not crack, does not bend ... sharpened and use instead of an ax when cutting shrubs and small trees ... and as an edged weapon an irreplaceable thing.
    1. +8
      25 October 2016 07: 55
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I have a sapper blade 43 years old ... the soul is not overjoyed ..

      I once bought a 75-year-old MSL from a peasant at a flea market, also pieces and a good one, imprisoned under a razor, I don’t take an ax in nature. And once I had to change the wheel on sandy soil, the jack goes into the sand, put a paddle, it did not even bend, the jeep was almost 3 tons.
    2. 0
      25 October 2016 11: 39
      Quote: The same Lech
      The main secret ... the indestructible steel from which the blade is made.
      I have a sapper blade 43 years old ... the soul does not rejoice ... does not rot, does not crack, does not bend ... sharpened and use instead of an ax when cutting shrubs and small trees ... and as an edged weapon an irreplaceable thing.

      also there are several sapper shovels Austro-Hungarian, but something steel is not very there. Is yours Soviet?
      1. +1
        27 October 2016 06: 37
        Soviet army shovels have steel armor. The Austro-Hungarian, apparently, ordinary structural steel.
        1. +2
          31 October 2016 00: 38
          LDC-2 “Swipe” is what everyone will like
          1. +4
            31 October 2016 10: 20
            No bells and whistles are needed. A shooting knife is a perversion.
            Need a simple, affordable, durable, reliable.
            So that you can always cut, cut, hit with the handle, tilt and quickly put into place.
            1. +3
              31 October 2016 11: 09
              Correctly. It depends on the task of the weapon carrier. The knife should be a knife and its efficiency without frills will be higher than heaped up.
            2. 0
              31 October 2016 14: 48
              yeah .. you really fall in love with this "perversion" in the city ... sitting in a room in the corner and everything else finished (((for a moose !! eprst
            3. +3
              31 October 2016 17: 05
              The value of a knife, in particular, its steel, lies in the fact that it can hold sharpening for a long time and at the same time is EASY TO SHARP, without any special difficulties and tricks.

              If the knife holds the sharpening, but there is no way to correct it, there is no possibility to grind it, then the knife is useless. Well, so-so.
              1. 0
                6 January 2017 07: 54
                Tell me how it turns out?
                if the knife holds sharpening well, then the steel is solid
                if the knife is easy to grind, then the steel is mild
                how can he combine this and that? miracle hard hard steel?
  2. +3
    25 October 2016 07: 51
    In my opinion, this knife has value only among fanatical collectors. The functionality is limited, cut-punch and all. It looks like a regular table knife, the view is not mesmerizing. New remodelers have expanded functionality, and the view is more creative.
    1. avt
      +11
      25 October 2016 12: 25
      Quote: almost demobilized
      The functionality is limited, cut-punch and all.

      laughing What else do you need from a knife?
      Quote: almost demobilized
      It looks like a regular table knife, the view is not mesmerizing.

      The most convenient knives are just household knives - their form has been worked out by practice, and the "functional" in general should be in the form of a skill in the owner's head, and he has already taken up a knife-hit, and not shaman's conspiracies in an attempt to scare the sight of an outlandish stray. dances always end with a lethal outcome for the dancer, and in 90% of their own "bewitching" pribluda. HP-43 is an excellent thing! good not a multitool, but a station wagon for the competent owner.
    2. +1
      31 October 2016 17: 09
      almost demobil

      Well you're right.

      But!

      It is necessary to leave a holiday to those who see something sacred in their cold weapons. These are traditions from past times. Tradition is important. By breaking them we destroy society.
    3. 0
      6 January 2017 07: 59
      if for products, it’s better to take a thinner knife, this is inconvenient. with this knife, due to its shape, it is most convenient to chop everything that you want. I have a similar knife, there’s nowhere to use it at all, it’s just lying around in the table. even you can’t take it anywhere with you, because it’s a melee weapon, not a household.
  3. +1
    25 October 2016 07: 59
    ... The design of some parts has undergone refinement, and a completely new handle from non-standard material has also appeared. At the same time, however, the blade remained the same, only its shank changed ...

    The shape of the blade has changed significantly.

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    The main secret ... the indestructible steel from which the blade is made.

    Is it still a secret?
  4. +2
    25 October 2016 08: 31
    Very interesting. The only modern requirement that this knife does not meet is a black, non-reflective blade.
  5. +5
    25 October 2016 08: 49
    The functionality of the knife (tool) is determined by the hands and head. A knife of simple concise design in skilled hands ensures survival in any conditions.
  6. +1
    25 October 2016 10: 11
    I don’t know about you, but I immediately got an advertisement.
    1. +3
      25 October 2016 11: 55
      We must take! laughing
      In general, I’ve been looking at this knife for a long time. Everything in it suits me, the optimal dimensions, as well as the handle design, are just what you need! Nothing more, the perfect knife for survival.
      1. avt
        +1
        25 October 2016 12: 35
        Quote: uskrabut
        In general, I’ve been looking at this knife for a long time.

        Like it
        Quote: uskrabut
        We must take!

        Just do not forget that he is still a "cold man" request Of course, replicas can be used ....
        Quote: uskrabut
        The perfect knife for survival.

        Well, if all the same for the type of biharling laughing That probably, Peregrine Falcon "from Melita ..... it would be nice from the flyers. Better yet, JP Peltonen M95 Sissipuukko, but he, too, like his own" Cherry "," holdnyak ".... hopeless, but really - fincabully
        1. 0
          31 October 2016 16: 02
          Quote: avt
          Just do not forget that he is still a "cold man"

          Chukchi is not a reader however, Chukchi is a writer.
          Quote: Ryabov Kirill
          Zlatoust produces knives that look as outward as possible to the original. However, some measures have been taken aimed at changing the classification of the product. The new "Cherry" is not a cold weapon and belongs to the class of tourist knives.

          Quote: zof.ru
          Based on the analysis of the test results, it was found that the tourist knife “Cherry” is a product structurally similar to a weapon, does not apply to cold steel. Conforms to requirements of GOST P 51501-99 "Tourist and special sports knives. General specifications ”and is a tourist knife.

    2. +1
      27 October 2016 11: 25
      The article is a regular advertising brochure. We had HP-43 knives with a black wooden handle in a shelf in our warehouses. And there were no cherries in the memory except for the serial number. The wooden handle was needed to hold the knife with the teeth when crawling. On AKM, a strap on the handle was provided for this purpose. "The knife is in the teeth and in the branch. The reconnaissance is moving forward."
  7. +1
    25 October 2016 12: 36
    There is a simplification of the design of the HA-40 in order to improve the manufacturability and assembly of the knife - "hand-to-hand" and operational (for a working knife a wooden handle, nevertheless, the best-IMHO), the functionality was reduced, alas. If I had to choose between NA-40 or HP-43, I would not even look at this "Cherry" wink .
    Threat For the military, the top of the handle should have at least a conical shape.
  8. 0
    25 October 2016 15: 31
    HP-43 is quite a nice thing. I had one in use. Later he presented as good friends in a young republic. I also got Glock FM 81 there. I can say one thing, they are almost identical. That is, the Austrians for their combat knife took exactly the NR-43.
  9. +1
    25 October 2016 16: 56
    Well, duck and we can:

  10. exo
    0
    26 October 2016 11: 29
    The knife is so comfortable in the hand that you don’t want to let it out. At the same time, it is much lighter than other combat knives. The only thing is that the scabbard does not have a mount on the mall. But this is fixable.
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  12. +1
    31 October 2016 21: 17
    Thanks!!! the riddle was solved for me. My grandfather went from the war of 1942 to the Victory, in divisional reconnaissance, I often asked him about the service, we talked about knives, and what they said, he taught me how to prick and cut correctly, and so I remember asking him about the "Finn ", and he told me that he only used a magpie knife, as now I understand NA-40, I think that if" Cherry "then there would have been my grandfather (the kingdom of heaven) would have mentioned this without fail
  13. 0
    30 December 2016 10: 49
    Quote: gladcu2
    The value of a knife, in particular, its steel lies in the fact that it can hold sharpening for a long time and at the same time is EASY TO SHARP, without any special difficulties and tricks ...

    Mutually exclusive requirements. Either - he will keep sharpening, or - well sharpened.
    In general, frequent sharpening is not good and is not needed. Only regular edits.
    "Sorokovka", by the way, is a very weak steel. Practically unsuitable for outdoor use. One cut of a tree and she sits down.
    I am using several finishes. These are from Austrian steels Elmaks and K340. Glass both scratch.
    1. 0
      6 January 2017 08: 08
      beautiful, by the way. what material handle?
    2. 0
      5 May 2018 07: 11
      A very successful “Cue for motives”, in which one can guess a kinship with both the HP-40 and the “Finka NKVD”, was made by the NOCS in his knife Fink-T (Steel AUS8, HRC58, blade thickness 3,5 mm, fulltang)
      https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/144/2283054.ht
      ml
      On the topic of Cherries - it is clear that the knife was made in the late 70s, from the remaining blades and knives of the HP-40 from the warehouse