The Central Military District presented a field uniform for military priests of the Orthodox Church

Representatives of the military districts of the Russian Federation report that the troops finalized and approved field uniforms for military priests. We are talking about the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church. The form is inherently no different from the form of an ordinary serviceman of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, with the exception that special stripes (in particular, church orders) will be placed on it. In addition, military priests are given the opportunity to wear a cross over a military uniform.

Information Agency TASS cites a fragment of a statement on this matter from the head of the department for working with believers of the headquarters of the Central Military District, Igor Agafonov:

This form is very convenient for the work of priests during field walks, exercises, field visits and shooting, because it is inconvenient for military service to walk in a ditch all the time. This is a common form of a soldier, which is distinguished by stripes and emblems: on the place where there should be buttonholes with the type of troops, there is an Orthodox cross, and where the name and initials of the soldier should be written, the church dignity and name are embroidered.

Igor Agafonov journalists asked whether there are Muslim priests in the army? According to Agafonov, he is responsible for this question precisely in the Central Military District, and it is Orthodox Christians that prevail among the personnel of the servicemen in this military district.

Agafonov also added that after some time a similar field military uniform for Orthodox priests will begin to flow to other districts. This information is confirmed by the representatives of the departments for work with believers in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation headquarters of these districts.

It should be noted that Orthodox priests are very actively involved in the life of military units. The Russian Orthodox Church considers the defense of the Fatherland the most important mission of every citizen, regardless of his attitude to religion. Often during the exercises military field churches are used, which can be visited by any believing soldier during his free time from combat training activities.

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[Putinets]

God help them

[jjj]

Lord Give victories to Orthodox Christians over the opposite ones!

[just exp]

it’s better not victory, but peace, so that there’s no war at all (and victory is after the war all the same).
and so if there is no war, they themselves will die out there.
it is true that the devil populates the muslims so that they can then be moved to the drang.
they really can burn well in a nuclear flame. it’s true that they can also get it from the French service as an inheritance, but it’s not a fact that the monkeys can use it and if the West didn’t have to send white people there to manage nuclear weapons.

[cniza]

Of course the world, but you have to fight for it.

[parkello]

someone has a war with firearms, and someone also has a war, but his weapons are clear and have a cross, and prayer with fasting. what else is enlightened referred to as invisible abuse. and in this war they need victory. so he rightly wished them victories.

[Hunt]

Here in my unit (18 people) there were 11 Orthodox of all nations, 4 Muslims of different nations, 2 Buddhists of Buryat and 1 Jew! Specifically, we would intensify if we were added one priest, one mullah, one llama and a rabbi! in my opinion, this is stupid!

[Danil Laryon]

In the name of the fathers of the son and holy spirit or.

[portyanka]

the divine rodover drew with a double swastika ...
Danil, are you also a cousin and nephew of the gods?

[Danil Laryon]

The swastika denotes the rotation of the universe and it is found in all peoples of the world.

[Danil Laryon]

Prince Vladimir is a fascist in prison to prison immediately.

[parkello]

there is still an Orthodox symbol .suastika. i.e. reverse swastika. rays are bent to the other side. it is a symbol of good news. the Greeks painted it over the text, so that it would be clear that despite the contents of the text, its essence is good.

[Mikhail m]

But the minuses are not enough for Larionov.

[Operator]

The swastika (Sanskrit, glory. - Kolovrat) is a tribal sign of the Aryans, symbolizes the sun, is a stylized image of a rotating cross of four torches with curved tongues of flame. Known from the 6 of the millennium BC for archaeological finds of ceramics.

The Arians assimilated the inhabitants of Western Asia and India, after which their tribal sign began to be used as a religious symbol in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. In Judaism and Christianity, the swastika sign ceased to be used in the 1930 years.

For ideological reasons, the swastika sign ceased to be used in Russian embroidery and lace also in the 1930's as a result of a special operation of the NKVD of the USSR.

In the first third of the twentieth century, it was used on a massive scale in Europe and North America as a decorative and advertising symbol (mistakenly identified with the generic symbol of the Germans as a result of archaeological excavations in East Germany of the Slavs assimilated by the Germans).

In the second third of the twentieth century, the swastika was used as a state symbol in Germany and Finland, in the last - with the filing of the ethnic Swede Mannerheim (preserved to this day on the standard of the country's president).

[KVashentcev]

It looked like an award badge of the commanders of the Southeast Front Kr. Army in 1918-1920

[KVashentcev]

And so are the signs of the first years of Soviet power

[Bayonet]

Red Army Patches

[Mikhail m]

All sorts of scum trash our world. Spoiled swastika, rainbow, blue sky !!! Maybe it’s worth saving the world from these wastes, and the symbols should be left with their true meaning, and not what this dirty trick is trying to inspire. A gay cannot be as blue as the sky. He is closer to the color and smell of feces. The same goes for the rainbow, and the swastika, taken by rascals.

[KVashentcev]

Unfortunately, many characters are too de-credited. Years will pass until a generation grows up for which fascism will not be a painful word. I understand everything, but I can’t do anything about it - I still see the swastika on the flag of the Reich and on the banners thrown to the mausoleum in 1945. My grandfather was burning in the tank, I can’t treat the Order of Glory and the iron cross of model 1939 years with a swastika, although both awards for courage and stamina. Here is George and the Iron Cross for the First World War - similar rewards - to good soldiers in a terrible war ... I can’t explain my daughters to my daughter anymore, she’s a generation for which it’s not at all clear what this sign is like in the original, not poisoned. And her children will probably come to a normal worldview ... Who knows?

[a housewife]

And the stars as shtatovskoy symbolism does not offend you? But the flags of Nazi Germany red - come down? And I saw the most beautiful form of the Orthodox priest in my childhood. On May 9, a priest walked along the street, whose cassock was simply covered with awards. Do you think he deserved all this with prayers?

[rotmistr60]

military exercises are used during the exercises

Time changes, the country changes and priorities change. We used to leave with the field "Lenin's room". Military priests in the troops are needed so that opponents of the ROC do not speak.

[zoolu300]

Neither priests, nor mullahs, nor llamas are needed in the troops. We need deputy commanders of educational and political work units, as well as the ideology with which these officials will fill the heads of the personnel.

[Orionvit]

We need deputy commanders of educational and political work units, as well as ideology

Finally, someone expressed a normal idea. Russia, as I understand it, is a secular state and according to the constitution, the church is separated from the state. Why sculpt it in the army? What percentage of believers in the Russian army? Believer in the army, so wear a cross, or every day lost souls need to be set on the right path? Why is it always believed that the church is good? Look at the priests. On their way of life, what they drive, how they live, how much they earn on faith. It is clear that the chaplain (Western word, already disgusting), goes into battle with everyone, but still in the army this is superfluous. I don’t know how the Christian faith is among the soldiers, but women certainly love everything. So, according to the Western model (chaplains), let them even organize brothels.

[Bayonet]

Quote: zoolu300

Neither priests, nor mullahs, nor llamas are needed in the troops. We need deputy commanders of educational and political work units, as well as the ideology with which these officials will fill the heads of the personnel.

And here’s the corresponding poster, from your "educators"

[zoolu300]

Nice visual agitation!

[Dart2027]

Quote: zoolu300

We need deputy commanders of educational and political work units, as well as ideology

And what is the difference between the political officer for the better? And what is the ideology?

[zoolu300]

He is not attached to any religion (otherwise, if the part is an Orthodox priest, Muslims will demand a mullah, etc., and this is a source of conflict). The most appropriate ideology is imperial socialism.

[Dart2027]

Quote: zoolu300

The most appropriate ideology is imperial socialism.

They don’t really believe in socialism, so then it’s just imperialism.

[Dmitry X]

This is what I understand as a "secular" state ... some kind of game.

[Putinets]

And nobody, in fact, invites you to pray or receive communion. This is a voluntary matter.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Putin

And nobody, in fact, invites you to pray or receive communion. This is a voluntary matter.

And if the matter is voluntary, then on a fig in military units, worshipers?

[padded jacket]

Why all these disputes? They want people to let them believe in God; they want to let them not believe personally; I take this calmly. And for those who believe military priests are needed, in any case, in large formations.

[PHANTOM-AS]

I had the following picture: Red Square, the parade announcer announces with vigorous voice the connections passing through the square and here, in an even more vigorous but pacified voice: reports marching along Red Square, printing the Red Banner Regiment of military officers of all faiths, in the first line of the priest, behind them muftis, then rabbis, etc. .. Further, the announcer reads prayers in different languages.
From such a thought, I even froze the computer.
I don’t know whether to cry from emotion, or to laugh until you drop.

[parkello]

Actually, priests should be in the army. all the great generals were believers. the same Suvorov, the same Ushakov (generally a saint by the way. and in Greece is revered as a saint) and many others. that St. John of Russia. also in Greece of his power. body weight. the warrior was ... did not deny Christ, and thus conquered. if you are not a believer, then this is your personal matter. but Russia is an Orthodox power. we also have priests in the army, in each part there is a temple. and any priest with us has the rank of minimum lieutenant. and it is right . a single faith only holds people together. and schismatics and all sorts of sectarians always brought confusion and discord. the people and the church are one. and the army and navy there is no exception, because they also consist of the same people. strong spirit is the key to victory. and you can nourish the spirit by listening to the Word of God at liturgies and evenings. the matter is voluntary; no one is forcibly dragged into the temple. you’re just probably identifying all believers with some sort of personal hostility. as for example there are Jehovah's Witnesses and other sectarians sticky as a bath sheet. do not mix them with the Orthodox. Do you even know how much land in Palestine, Cyprus and Mount Athos Russia lost while the CPSU was in power? But these are not only lands. these are values ​​that only half the world can dream of. there were hospitals, and monasteries and wineries and oil mills, and the production of cloth and wool and a blacksmith's shop ... and there were no other small industries to count at all. But all this could serve the fatherland for many years, increasing its wealth and wealth. so in vain you disown faith. this is because you know absolutely nothing about it, but only build your speculations and guesses on the basis of any ideological rubbish and dirt that the enemies of Russia deliberately pour on the Russian Orthodox Church. remember at least sv. Alexander Nevsky ... why did he fight, for which he beat the crusaders? one rot comes from the West; do not accept the teachings of the West, for it is pernicious. this applies not only to religion, but also to the scientific world. Incidentally, Lomonosov was also a believer. and indeed, everywhere you go, people were Orthodox who achieved something there. Where it seemed that nothing was possible to do. because Lomonosov went to first grade at the age of 20 !!! and you could endure all these ridicule of youngsters and mockery and become a great scientist on behalf of whom threw all of Germany to tremble? but ... as I see it, it’s easier for you to rally with the enemies of Russia and pour mud on faith and the fatherland than accept the truth. You can continue to fan and deny the Lord, but ... the death of sinners is fierce. I do not scare you. I only remind you. so that later you don’t have anything to object and say. but they didn’t warn us, but they didn’t teach us ... you yourself have denied the Lord. consciously.

[Gardamir]

This is a voluntary matter.

In the army?

[parkello]

everywhere. what's in the army what's in the world.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Gardamir

In the army?

Yes, in the army. Who served, knows - the soldier has personal time. If you want to go to the tea room, you want to go to the temple (the political officer will not be grabbed by the hand, as before) ).

[goblin xnumx]

and therefore a lot of cadets of firemen and others were "voluntarily" driven to a prayer service with an unburned bush and its viewing outside Moscow ...

[dmi.pris1]

Game in the head can be when there is no ideology, no principles, no conscience. Here is this "game" and trying to "straighten" the Orthodox Church, to the best of its ability. Who does not like it, please do not go to services, this is not an obligation.

[kashtak]

Quote: dmi.pris

It is this "game" that the Orthodox Church is trying to "straighten", to the best of its ability. Whoever does not like it, please do not go to services, this is not an obligation.

I know how this "no obligation" happens. who does not want to load the cast iron. from here and until he desires. I am not against believers. and not against faith. but the approach to the matter of some churchmen alarms and repels. and there have been cases of extremist agitation more than once. correctly we have separated the church from the state. do you believe? in free time and in church.

[zoolu300]

Do not tell me, it all depends on the "leaps" of higher-ranking officials.

[Orionvit]

trying to "straighten" the Orthodox Church - to the best of its ability

The Church (Christian) at all times and among all peoples, was the standard of corruption and money-grubbing, simultaneously parasitizing on the souls of truly spiritual people. Why do some people think that the ROC is an exception? As the people say, "The closer to the church, the further from God." Russia lacks one thing, namely the state ideology, which would rally all the inhabitants of the vast country. For example, remember the Great Patriotic War. There was an ideology (maybe not quite ideal), thanks to which the soldiers went to the feat.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Orionvit

Russia lacks one thing, namely state ideology

As the centuries-old experience has shown, religions are the most persistent.

Quote: Orionvit

There was an ideology (maybe not quite perfect), thanks to which the soldiers went on a feat

It was. Only she was unsustainable. I am not saying that communism as an idea is bad, but people could not build it.

[Orionvit]

It was. Only she was unsustainable. I am not saying that communism as an idea is bad, but people could not build it.

There are two nuances. Firstly, it’s not that they couldn’t. Everything that happened after Stalin's death, and then in perestroika, is the result of the implementation of direct plans to destroy and plunder the greatest country in the world, which fell due to the usual betrayal of the then leadership. And secondly, they probably started building early. Humanity was not yet ready to implement such radical (in comparison with capitalism) plans. Although, they say that our ancestors have always lived according to the "communist" in a good way, the laws of universal equality.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Orionvit

There are two nuances.

Not two, but one.
Mankind is really unprepared for such changes, because whatever one may say, there is no getting away from our biology, and it is by no means ideal in the moral sense.
And betrayal, and it certainly was, is only a consequence.

[Homo]

Quote: Dmitry X

This is what I understand as a "secular" state ... some kind of game.

That's exactly the "secular state"! There is no ban on religion. And if there are believers, then it should be possible to perform rituals. Faith does not interfere with service.

[St Petrov]

A mattress pad barks at the Orthodox priests. This is probably normal.



There are such people - slippery - vile - pissing)

And there are normal men with the correct concept of honor and dignity and who have chosen the appropriate path

I think each of those who read these lines concluded for himself who the lapdog belongs to.

Bring me to life

To be kind and honest is more difficult than to be a jackal) yes my four-legged foe is a mattress?

[St Petrov]

The glorious history of the priests in the war. From generation to generation. Here they are roots)

[St Petrov]

through time) How can you bark at all at the priests in the army? They were with your grandfathers and great-grandfathers - and many generations ago - of this tradition over 1000 years

And here at the forum in 2016, half decided that this was not appropriate and the jackal with the British flag was especially eager for it)

The first time I turned to God when I made the 3rd jump from Ant-2. Something he went badly and I was very scared and I remembered God) Since then I have ceased to be a militant atheist)

I don’t go to church, but I don’t open my mouth on God, especially not on clergy - even those who chase on the white Gelenvagen

I think if you feel death next to you it will not matter what car "this fat pop" drives or as atheists usually say there)

[goblin xnumx]

ant 2? I do not believe...

[St Petrov]

t-extra. plus from me)

[Bayonet]

Quote: Leshy74

ant 2? I do not believe...

Yeah, quite a while ago it was ...
In May 1924, the first ANT-2 was completed and on May 26, 1924, pilot engineer N.I. Petrov first lifted the plane into the air.

[kashtak]

Quote: s-t Petrov

I think if you feel death next to you it will not matter what car "this fat pop" drives or as atheists usually say there)

Quote: s-t Petrov

I think if you feel death next to you it will not matter what car "this fat pop" drives or as atheists usually say there)

Quote: s-t Petrov

I think if you feel death next to you it will not matter what car "this fat pop" drives or as atheists usually say there)

so say not atheists but militant atheists. although I believe that the priest should first not forget the commandments. Well, okay, what a parish, such is ... I'm not going to throw stones, who is without sin? and what to remember for a thousand years. all the more so in the history of the church. both glorious and bad. let's talk about us. the church today could play a crucial role. no one will interfere. only help. then why doesn’t this happen? that's when the church will take care of not only itself but also for example the organization of charity then we’ll talk.

[kashtak]

I apologize for the number with three quotes I don’t know how it happened.

[St Petrov]

The church is engaged in charity permanently. Although I do not really delve into it, I constantly see messages about it

[kashtak]

Quote: c-Petrov

The church is engaged in charity permanently. Although I do not really delve into it, I constantly see messages about it

Yes, I saw a couple of such messages. but for the church it’s not a burden. when we take it in a systematic and organized way, we’ll talk about church tax, for example.

[aszzz888]

Presumably, and this is for the better.

[svp67]

Honestly - so I am AGAINST this. We have the STATE and the CHURCH separated. Accordingly, in the staffing of divisions and units there is NO position of the PRIEST. Then what kind of military uniform can we talk about? It’s more like PR.
But I will clarify that I am not against the PYATUS in the troops, as well as not against the IMAMS, REBE, but NOT IN SERVICE time, for the peace of mind of the fighters.
And they already have their own service clothes. I allow them to add a protective helmet with body armor, but always with the inscription "No combatant"

[Sarmat149]

You are mistaken, dear. There are just regular positions. The Institute of Military Priests in the RF Armed Forces was introduced by the Directive of the Chief of the General Staff of December 1, 2009 (I don’t remember the number, I forgot to blame). This directive introduced the position of assistant commander of the unit for work with believing military personnel. The priests appointed to these positions are executed as civilian personnel of the military unit. The first group of clergymen was sent where necessary for their intended purpose, that is, to the North Caucasus, bases in Armenia and Tajikistan. In Armenia, where my eldest son was serving in 2010, the priest also held the position of psychologist. Accordingly, coordination was carried out with all faiths. So, depending on the specific situation, representatives of other faiths may be appointed to these posts according to the situation.

[svp67]

Quote: Sarmat149

This directive introduced the position of assistant commander of the unit for work with believing military personnel

I agree, it has long been "not under the banner", but you see how. But all the same, the main thing does not change, this is not a military but a civilian specialist

Quote: Sarmat149

The priests appointed to these positions are executed as civilian personnel of the military unit.

and they, under an international convention, should be WELL DIFFERENT from military personnel ...

[Primipilus]

In the end, an extra pair of hands in the unit does not hurt. Wakes up to whom cartridges to give in which case.

[kashtak]

Quote: Primipilus

In the end, an extra pair of hands in the unit does not hurt. Wakes up to whom cartridges to give in which case.

for delivering cartridges the priest will be deprived of his dignity. the church has its own charter. maximum medical instructor.

[svp67]

Quote: kashtak

for delivering cartridges the priest will be deprived of his dignity. the church has its own charter. maximum medical instructor.

or to the funeral team.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: svp67

or to the funeral team.

You write them down as trophies

[svp67]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

You write them down as trophies

You know, to each his own. And it is the task of the priest and the physical and mental wounds to heal, and to sing ... So that they have a narrow specialization, and trophies are the work of others.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: svp67

And it is the task of the priest and the physical and mental wounds to heal, and to sing ...

Do you know that that according to church canons, a soldier who died in the battle for the Fatherland immediately goes to heaven? and there’s no funeral service for them is Rzzzz
And second, surgeons must deal with the wounded physically, and psychiatrists with the mentally injured.

[svp67]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

and there’s no funeral service for them is Rzzzz

... Yes? Better to see once ...

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

And second, surgeons must deal with the wounded physically, and psychiatrists with the mentally injured.

I agree. Specialists must work. That is why the priests were specially trained for the Imperial Navy at the courses of orderlies, since there are no "holidaymakers" on the warships ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: svp67

I agree.

Yes, you understand that any even very good
the idea can be brought to the point of absurdity.

[a housewife]

Of course, funeral is pointless. In general, it’s pointless to render any honors to them either. just dig in, and that's enough. How so it is possible! You would at least understand the meaning of the funeral service.

[kashtak]

Quote: svp67

Quote: kashtak

for delivering cartridges the priest will be deprived of his dignity. the church has its own charter. maximum medical instructor.

or to the funeral team.

Also an option. otherwise search engines are still unburied.

[Vato dobro]

It looks kind of wild, of course. Why should priests even go into military affairs? You would have started making armor crosses. Then it’ll reach the automaton bible ...

[Putinets]

You know, from my experience, and I fought in Afghanistan, and not on guard, but in combat units, there are no unbelievers in the war. And when the urge comes, not only that you start praying, you will not give up on the Automaton Bible.

[svp67]

Quote: Putin

You know, in my experience, I fought in Afghanistan, and not on guard, but there are no military units that disbelieve in the war.

So no one argues that military people who especially sniffed gunpowder are drawn to God. But then Batyushek then why wear military uniforms? They have their own bosses and their own traditions. What is the army climbing into them?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Guys, are you all crazy?
You still offer to fast in the army twice a year, and on Easter bypassed eggs to paint., And in the morning instead of military greetings, kiss according to the Orthodox tradition and knock eggs.
Obscurantism!!!

I’ll say right away that I’m particularly experienced religious colleagues and I have no intention of discussing my personal experience with Vera with Vera.
I have the honor.

[Bayonet]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

You also suggest fasting in the army twice a year,

The military has long ceased to wear armor and other bulky ammunition, but the restrictions on fasting do not apply to modern soldiers either. ... military service is public! and for believers a separate menu is not provided!

[a housewife]

And by the way, there is no post for military personnel. Travelers are also exempted from fasting. Sick. Small children. Old people. People in hard work.

[bi64]

I wrote that I also served as a tank commander in 83-85 in the DRA, the convoy was escorted, everyone prayed to myself. I saw the young political commander, the lieutenant, after school, the shelling began, he sanctified himself with the sign of the Cross. I don’t see anything wrong with the presence of priests. You don’t want to believe it, no one is forcing it. But in Afghanistan I don’t know how others do it, in extreme situations, the first thing that comes is the image of Mom, and then everything else.

[PHANTOM-AS]

svp67 or to the funeral team

.

Quote: bi64

in extreme situations, the first thing that comes is the image of Mom, and then everything else.

[Vato dobro]

I am not against believing in God in war. But what do church servants do there? They seem to be supposed to serve on the contrary as a counterweight, the guarantor of world peace. Here the soldier after the hot spot returns and sees the faces of the priests not touched by the war, they help him to acclimatize in a peaceful life. This is exactly what is required of the church. But in a war, the priests themselves will be immersed in the atrocities of war, respectively, they will become not the face of peace and spiritualization, but rather the war. Look for an example now what is happening in Ukraine and what calls come from ministers of the Ukrainian church, is it clear who the enemy is? And even if it’s clear, aren't there Christians among the enemies? Therefore, it is contraindicated for priests to intervene in the war. They speak on behalf of all the people of their faith.

[svp67]

Quote: Vato Dobro

It looks kind of wild, of course. Why should priests even go into military affairs?

That I will wildly agree with the military uniform on the Orthodox Father, but they don’t agree that they go into military affairs, it’s the MILITES who are trying to get into their business. So let it be, God the God, and Caesar - Caesarean and do not mix, do not shake ...

[Vato dobro]

Quote: svp67

this is the military trying to get into their business

Well, I don’t know the nuances of who is climbing to whom. Do commanders insist on field churches for convenience? This is even worse. Although you can always refuse the offer.

[V.ic]

"In addition, military priests have the ability to wear a cross over their military uniform." (Article)

Sorry, I remembered:
"Do you remember how it happened
Belly walked forward
And the cross shone
Belly on the people? "
A. A. Blok "Twelve"

[Sarmat149]

Yes, Blok, of course, took the revolution with all his heart. Already "in a wreath of roses in front of Jesus Christ." Yes, only the revolution did not really accept him.

And so, well, it's so right to walk on pot-bellied, yes with crosses, and in general ...

You read comments as you speak with non-Russian. The funny thing is that 90% of all Russian baptized. In this case, mom and grandmother, a mother-in-law secretly from her husband, were baptized, as it was in Soviet times) Well, as without a drunken pot-bellied priest, and even on a beh. (sarcasm)

[Dart2027]

Quote: V.ic

Sorry, I remembered

There are different things. In that chile and such:

[V.ic]

Quote: Dart2027

There are different things.

So, in fulfillment of the vow of obedience brought to the venerable hegumen Sergius! In fulfillment of HIS will.

[Dart2027]

Quote: V.ic

In fulfillment of HIS will

So what? Then all who were there did the will of the prince.

[cannabis]

An old army joke: Vesna.Kurily.The helicopter border guards leaving the snow charge made an emergency landing on a small island. They look - a parade ground, barracks, bearded sentries on the towers. It turned out from the Russo-Japanese War there is an infantry regiment. Forgotten. The flyers talked with the officers and flew away. Reported to Moscow, they say so and so, the regiment. Moscow decides - if it’s spring, then the spring check of the troops means, and sends a commission. The regiment commander assembled the officers and decided to conduct a drill, so that in all its glory so to speak .., but never shave the fords! We started the drill. The commission walks the bowlers checks and measures the length of the footcloths and suddenly, due to the barracks, something pops up in tatters, runs up and looks intently into the eyes of the Moscow general, and then sideways again behind the barracks. The regiment commander is embarrassed by what happened and he explains to the Muscovite: You, Your Excellency, Comrade General, do not worry in vain, this is our regimental pop, well, in your opinion, political officer, the priest went wild from idleness!

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Glory to you Lord! Glory to you! Thank you Lord! You gave your children, soldiers, in Christ brothers, brothers in arms of mine, the land of Russia protected by you, to serve you and fulfill your holy commandments, to be fed by thy shepherds! You did not deprive them of your Holy Mysteries! And if anyone who puts his soul for his own friends will have someone to say a prayer over the body that gave his life for Faith and the Fatherland! Amen. Thank God!

[Altona]

It’s somehow beyond the bounds of good and evil, in every sense. The priest, as it were, should not touch the weapon in any form (the form is still a military element) without necessity, in addition, he has vestments according to the charter of the church, the third church seems to be separated from the state. Something like this. And freedom of conscience should not be propaganda consumer goods. Well, we are waiting for kosher and halal uniforms.

[cannabis]

Leskov has an Enchanted Wanderer. So there it is about all of us, both saints and sinners, robbers and warriors, old and young. But we are all children of our land and our country with the name RUSSIA. And when the time comes, even under the leadership of Minin and Pozharsky, under the red banner or imperial eagle, we go to battle. Protecting our land from foreigners, foreigners and Gentiles, we do not become any more, we do not have time to multiply. Maybe this is the insidious plan of the enemies of Russia?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Altona

Altona

Well said! +100500

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Of course you know the verge of good and evil. You have every right to say what a priest in the army should do. You know all the statutes of the Church. You have every right to protect the freedom of your conscience. And you do not need propaganda consumer goods. That's what any person can say. Only for yourself! For thousands of Christians, your comrades in arms (I hope), no need to speak. http://kapellan.ru/pravoslavie-i-patriotizm-duxov
naya-osnova-suvorovskoj-nauki-pobezhdat.html

[Holoy]

That's why they are needed there?

[Andrewgross]

Why is it written "the field uniform for military priests has been finalized and approved", and even "in the troops", and even numerous representatives report, if all the differences from the standard are only stripes, buttonholes and a cross? Yes, always and everywhere the military chaplain wore a traditional uniform, with or without shoulder straps, with crosses in his buttonholes and a cross on his chest.
We invented a bicycle again ...

[Brother]

Hmm well, geeks priests and got to the army, and put a "cross" on a normal army. Oh, "The insanity grew stronger and the tanks surrendered to the priests not" geldings ""

[andr327]

and a cupola with a cross must also be in camouflage

[OLD FART]

In vain do you scold .... When people go to death, faith is the only thing that calms the soul!
Nobody is imposing the Orthodox faith on anyone, it’s all individual ... I’m baptized, but I don’t go to church (I see Soviet education), but I BELIEVE deeply in my soul! And no one picks this belief out of my soul with a dirty finger ... No matter how humiliated or defiled our church! Let the soldiers decide for themselves ...

[andr327]

And no one mocks. but no one canceled the disguise. or what would people be quicker to meet with God?

[OLD FART]

Quote: andr327

And no one mocks. but no one canceled the disguise. or what would people be quicker to meet with God?

Your "dome with a cross" gave me this idea ... You are our concealer ...)))))

[Lawyer]

For reflection - in the Great Patriotic War, we have a church here (it still stands) on a hill, and around the house there are a lot of houses. The Germans aimed at the church and marked, as in a landmark. But no matter what they did, or how they couldn’t get a bomb. All the houses were bombed, but she was standing. Only one bomb hit, but even breaking through that roof, it didn’t explode.

[andr327]

After all, they bombed the house, the goal was achieved, the personnel were destroyed.

[Voyager]

Pay attention to two points. The first - Faith in our country has recently begun to be imposed, for example, in schools. I respect the so-called believers, but unfortunately a lot of negative things are connected with this topic.
Second - the soul can be reassured by many things besides religious faith. Love for the family and understanding why a person goes to death. Now I do not argue what is right and what is not, I just supplement and expand the framework you have established.

[andr327]

And what kind of priest uniform was sewn? Field, everyday number 1 and number 2, front? And usually the Minister of Defense approves the order in the form of clothes, but the initiative of the rear of the Central Military District looks more like a show. There are no other matters. At least the existing forms of clothing led to a single model, otherwise in each part of the uniform, it is at the discretion of the commanders how God will put a soul on their hearts.

[Barakuda]

I don’t want to sound like a blasphemer. But which of the contract conscripts likes being sprinkled like holy water? Yes, almost everyone has an icon in the car, for example, and 160 can be squeezed out. Half, if not more, are skiers ... churches. What cars do they drive? what "houses" are they building? priests damn .. They would have asked the soldiers, and then from under the stick the faith is implanted.
I don’t argue, there are devotees, real ones, but they don’t sell candles and crosses in churches, or didn’t someone read the Bible, even though it’s as it is? And there is nothing to be done - GDP with the patriarch (we were monkeys) sidekick. And the form of them .. It would be better Kalash and an obstacle course.

[bober1982]

Half, if not more, ball-skiers .......
Ball-skiers have something to do with this, this category of citizens belonged to captured French soldiers of the Napoleonic era. What does it have to do with........ saints pancake

[Ferdinant]

Politruk he and in a cassock a political instructor

[Gardamir]

Well, soon the current government will return the princes and barons. No wonder they honor the general of the Russian army and the baron concurrently. I send all lovers of the current regime to the Internet, check how regimental priests dressed (chaplains in the west), before 1917, and then make the Orthodox out of yourself.

[erased]

Here's how you can put priests in a secular state in the Ministry of Defense? Religious institutions are separate from the state! And if some soldier is curled, that the administration under him in the territory of a part of religious rites is a humiliation of his dignity? Or can only Christians and Muslims say this? Do they only have the right?
Religion is a private affair of everyone and should not somehow interfere with others.
Although everything is possible in this country. If Moscow is blocked for prayers, then what can we talk about?

[kit-kat]

Crazy house. The secular state is called ....

[bober1982]

Crazy House. The secular state is called .......
Wow! Does your hair stand on end?

[St Petrov]

and the mane is smoking))

[pl675]

/hand face/

[Reserve buildbat]

Cool ... Previously, scientific ships were built, space exploration dreamed of, and now it is a floating "temple", then an airborne landing ...
In the USSR, instead of priests, scientists were, therefore, science still survives.

[kit-kat]

Now you, and me too, will be anathematized for our seditious speeches. Obscurantists. Already attacked two. Although, one comrade Stalin on the profile picture. Wonderful ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: kit-kat

Although, one comrade Stalin on the profile picture. Wonderful

On August 16, 1923, Stalin issued circular letter No. 30, “On Relation to Religious Organizations,” to all provincial committees of the RCP (B.), Demanding that the closure of churches be prohibited if they were involved in counter-revolutionary activities.
On September 4, 1943, Stalin accepted the leadership of the Moscow Patriarchate.
And indeed, his attitude to the church was difficult.

[RUSIVAN]

But before the USSR, Russia had no history and science stood, and in the USSR everything went and went on Solovki and in Siberian prisons, when most of the science was sitting, for example, recall the founder of the Soviet cosmonautics Korolev ...
September 25, 1938 Korolev was included in the list of persons subject to trial by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR. In the list, he walked in the first (firing) category. The list was endorsed by Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov and Kaganovich.

Korolev was convicted by the Military College of the Supreme Court of the USSR on September 27, 1938, the charge: art. 58-7, 11. Sentence: 10 years in prison, 5 years in rights. 10.06.1940/8/1944 the term was reduced to 30 years in labor camp (Sevzheldorlag), released in 1955. According to his statement to the Military Prosecutor’s Office dated May 18, 1957, he was rehabilitated “for lack of corpus delicti” on April XNUMX, XNUMX
And this is one of many examples when the whole world of science and culture sat in the dungeons of prisons ...
AND WHAT YOU ARE Proud OF IN SOVIET TIME WHEN GOD DID FORGET or you yourself would like to spend your life in the same way (I doubt it) and by the way I will say, G. Zhukov (I think you know who this is) always carried the image of the Kazan Icon of God with you mothers.
So here is your quote that in the USSR, instead of priests, there were scientists and therefore science survives now, I will say that under the USSR, scientists survived because they did not love the Soviet system, but their COUNTRY, and the priests did not disappear in Soviet times, but now scientists live and create, and the "priests" serve, and not as in your "approximate" USSR when the scientist and the "priest" were sitting in the same cell.
So that you were completely enraptured with your sarcasm and read at your leisure the story of how scientists shook camps, and when they needed to be released, but for how long, this is another question ...

[Stas Snezhin]

Ah, how intolerant I’ll say right now
contrary to the line of today's managers .. Religion - opium for the people.
And if simpler, then just another way to manipulate the masses. Forward to the past..

[Bayonet]

Quote: Stas Snezhin

Ah, how intolerant I’ll say right now
contrary to the line of today's managers .. Religion - opium for the people.
And if simpler, then just another way to manipulate the masses. Forward to the past..

[RUSIVAN]

Religion is the opium of the people. Many people have a "favorite" quote, and now I will ask you, YOU COUNT ALL RELIGIOUS CULTURAL WORKERS, ARTISTS, MUSICIANS, THEATERS, GREAT MILITARY FIGURES OF OUR HISTORY (I will not list because there is a huge list of them)
"opium" people, as you called that religion for which you gave your whole life many centuries ???
If you say no, then admit your opinion is erroneous, and if YES, then answer the second question, AND WHO ARE YOU AND HOW YOU PRAISED RUSSIA ???
Than hait religion, pay attention to your worthless life, or in other words, "There is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the face is crooked."

[a housewife]

When you quote something, then at least know the quote itself. "religion is the opium for the people, without it the life of the people would be unbearable." And this was said at the time when opium was used as a pain reliever.

[sounddoc]

I will say it with the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: “... there is no higher love, how to lay your belly for your friends ...” ... The Orthodox clergy has proved in practice what it means to love God and the Motherland! The fasting here are British and other liberals, is there anything sacred? I doubt, I doubt very much .... They have one principle: Homeland is where the ass and stomach are good. They are full of food, love each other in a tolerant place, watch a mattress movie or tolerant news - and on the side. No doubt, no moral torment, no true love .......

[Orionvit]

Orthodox clergy PROVED IN CASE

These are isolated cases, and judging by the photos in the Cossack unit, where traditions have always been very strong. The people won the war with the words "For the Motherland, for Stalin," and this is the merit of political instructors, not priests.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Malice blinds you. The proud Bolshevik spirit has inspired you that you alone know how the people won the war. This spirit lives in the "History of the KPSS", in the minds of those deceived by this spirit and makes them lie. The Internet is full of photographs, evidence of the Orthodox clergy and their participation in the war. http://www.pravmir.ru/veterany-svyashhenniki-i-mo
naxini /

[shultz21070]

uniform for feldkurat Katz ....

[Engineer]

For some reason, I immediately remembered the notes of Minister of War Kuropatkin written by him after a trip to Japan before the Russo-Japanese war. So, there he writes in particular, verbatim: the Japanese military do not receive any religious education and upbringing in military schools, there are no temples at schools, the military do not pray to God - this is a great weakness of the Japanese army, since without faith in God it is difficult to endure burdens and loss in war. In place of this, the highest moral standards are instilled in the military in schools: love for the motherland, the emperor and respect for the family. Kuropatkin, like a Minister of War and a deeply religious man, built 51 military churches with state money, while he came to the Port Arthur fortress with an inspection and imposed a resolution - the fortress could withstand any siege. Although in reality of the six forts only one was ready, but one fortification was not built at all. How all this helped the Orthodox soldiers during the Russo-Japanese War is not for me to tell you. Now many consider themselves Orthodox, but for some reason only about 7% of such Orthodox people attend, pray and receive Communion. And among young people of military age this percentage is much less ... what am I doing? Replacing a political officer in the army with a priest will not work in any way - this is a vicious system. In words, it’s all Orthodox, but in combat conditions the motivation must be real.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Engineer

I come with a check to the Port Arthur fortress, imposed a resolution - the fortress will withstand any siege

Do you think Port Arthur was taken by the Japanese from a half kick? As a result of the siege, General Feet committed suicide, and the fortress fell when all human and military resources were exhausted.

Quote: Engineer

In place of this, the highest moral standards are instilled in the military in schools: love for the motherland, the emperor and respect for the family.

This is true. But there is one more thing. From 1871 to 1945 in Japan, the church was part of the state. And their emperor is considered a descendant of the goddess.

[Stas Snezhin]

They do it in vain.
This stupidity causes new hotbeds of tension in society.
Look, even on our site how many posts and different opinions.
And if not for the framework of the communication format, it would be much hotter ..
And besides the primordial confrontation between believers and materialists,
interreligious friction is also likely ..
It’s all in vain.
Faith is everyone’s business in the soul, not window dressing ..

[Retvizan]

Quote: Engineer

Port Arthur imposed a resolution - the fortress will withstand any siege. Although in reality of the six forts only one was ready, but one fortification was not built at all. How all this helped the Orthodox soldiers during the Russo-Japanese War - I don’t tell you

Well, the sons of Amaterasu abundantly laid their heads in the assaults on Port Arthur without taking her by force. But they took the siege.
In general, the Japanese were very religious when they went on the assault. And they prayed and considered death a valor and generally abruptly our Orthodox were believers. However, as practice has shown, trust God do not hesitate. The Russian proverb to the Japanese was closer than RI!
I’ve grown up on stories about Suvorov, Ushakov, Stepanov Segey Tsensky, Stanyukovich and others - and I remember the phrase In each morning prayer and in battle with prayer. And in general, a lot of the Orthodox. But it was not faith that conquered; man and arms won. Idea, organization, leader!
the current state is depressing - we return to the stage when we lost everything and everyone ... at the beginning of the 20th century ... archaic.
A society of atheists with an idea close to religion (USSR), but atheists won the terrible war and became a superpower in a short period, united almost half of the world into allies and successfully competed with the other half of the world! What will we achieve with the idea (faith) and organization of the beginning of the 20th century ??? The number of priests and temples is growing - and the level of development of society and science is falling!
Depressing ....
How much opium for the people ....

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: Retvizan

The number of priests and temples is growing - and the level of development of society and science is falling!
Depressing ....
How much opium for the people ....

[cedar]

Quote: Bring me to life

In general, it was interesting to introduce a 10% church fee in Russia. See how strong your faith is)

Strelochnik .., if you notice, the article is about military, Orthodox priests.
A military man is not just fighting, he is continually between the two extremes of being. To be killed and to kill.
It is easy to get inhumane here; psychiatry knows a ton of examples. In order not to become insane and remain human under inhuman conditions of war, you need an Orthodox religion (religion-connection) connecting you with the eternity and infinity of the World, and not with a monkey nursery.
In war, they don’t give away church fees, but life and blood. The highest pay that people can pay for the freedom of their people and their homeland.
See at the root, dear.

[faiver]

what country is this? why these rushes from one extreme to another, but the ROC has a very negative attitude

[OLD FART]

Quote: faiver

what country is this? why these rushes from one extreme to another, but the ROC has a very negative attitude

She always had faith in Russia ... Even my dad is an ardent communist, and when pressed, he was baptized secretly! Yes, and in the Second World War they often turned to God as they knew how to attack ...
In general, Orthodoxy is one of the backbone pillars of Russia ... I’ve been baptized at the age of 30, what is it ...
And it’s not in vain that the West and the liberals are so angry at our ROC! They just feel the unifying power of Orthodoxy in Russia!

[Bayonet]

Quote: STARPER

In general, Orthodoxy is one of the backbone pillars of Russia ..

Hello! Well, you can say beautifully, otherwise everyone is angry, angry ... Support!

[OLD FART]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: STARPER

In general, Orthodoxy is one of the backbone pillars of Russia ..

Hello! Well, you can say beautifully, otherwise everyone is angry, angry ... Support!

Hello bayonet! Yes, it’s not beautiful, just from the heart ...! But I often get angry of course and sometimes brings it ... well oh well .. (I’m generally kind and conflict-free, but if I start, I’m afraid of myself)))))

[Orionvit]

Quote: Homo

Quote: Dmitry X

This is what I understand as a "secular" state ... some kind of game.

That's exactly the "secular state"! There is no ban on religion. And if there are believers, then it should be possible to perform rituals. Faith does not interfere with service.

First, there are only a few true believers. Secondly, then we need army mullahs, rabbis, and we must not forget about Rodnovers and other "pagans". And also many different sects and movements that are not prohibited by the state. You can bet on the allowance and the watching Scientologist. And they are all believers. Say nonsense? But why in a secular state, in the army, obscurantism is imposed. Defenders of "Russian Orthodoxy", can finally read the Bible. There is not a single Russian character. Moreover, there are practically no main characters of non-Jewish nationality there, and who constantly do all sorts of abominations. What does this book and religion have to do with the Russian people and the Slavs in general? Tell me the tradition? Well, let them go to church (believers can be given leave of absence), but in the army it is useless.

[a housewife]

The Bible - and Russian characters? Is there a mind? Russians - in what century? Meanwhile, God does not have a nationality. But it has to do with any people and people in the world. And the abominations in the Bible described a great many. Because, firstly, historical events are described there, but they are different. And secondly, it says not only how to live, but also how not to. Clearly, with examples.

[DerSamowar]

This is one of the most stupid Defense Ministry innovations in recent years. If you put on a uniform, be kind enough to wear it in accordance with the internal service charter. A shave beard? And on the head, what kind of balaclava? Delirium, delirium, and again delirium, as well as futile attempts to push religion into the army.

PS I would have looked at how this would be introduced in SEE. Especially in places of the former North Caucasian Military District, where there are black military units held by guests from the mountains.

[bober1982]

To distract from sad thoughts.

[OLD FART]

I don’t know the video, of course, many will not like it, but it takes my soul! Mother Russia is being reborn ... And Putin, "your hateful one," felt the string of the Russian soul in Russia! God bless him!

Faith Will Save Russia, no matter how difficult it is for us ...!

[LastLap]

An Orthodox Christian, especially a priest does not understand such a word as tolerance or tolerance, for him there are people, HUMANS. Regardless of religion, even a Muslim, even a Buddhist, an Orthodox will help in a difficult situation in life, and if the death hour has come, then he spends it appropriately.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

Well said brother! Save Christ!

[Salvodor]

Quote: Operator

The swastika (Sanskrit, glory. - Kolovrat) is a tribal sign of the Aryans, symbolizes the sun, is a stylized image of a rotating cross of four torches with curved tongues of flame. Known from the 6 of the millennium BC for archaeological finds of ceramics.

The Arians assimilated the inhabitants of Western Asia and India, after which their tribal sign began to be used as a religious symbol in Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. In Judaism and Christianity, the swastika sign ceased to be used in the 1930 years.

For ideological reasons, the swastika sign ceased to be used in Russian embroidery and lace also in the 1930's as a result of a special operation of the NKVD of the USSR.

In the first third of the twentieth century, it was used on a massive scale in Europe and North America as a decorative and advertising symbol (mistakenly identified with the generic symbol of the Germans as a result of archaeological excavations in East Germany of the Slavs assimilated by the Germans).

In the second third of the twentieth century, the swastika was used as a state symbol in Germany and Finland, in the last - with the filing of the ethnic Swede Mannerheim (preserved to this day on the standard of the country's president).

Which Kolovrat? No need to beat people brains, there was nothing like it.

[cannabis]

Prove with examples!

[Salvodor]

You write a blatant lie, why should I prove something to you?
The Nazi symbol called Kolovrat is a remake, refer to ethnographers, people have been engaged in the culture of our people all their lives, there are no Kolovrats and swastikas if they were not as common as they are trying to show, don’t put brains on people with your near historical references!

[cannabis]

What time! Ignorance, peremptory judgments, imposing one’s opinion without evidence, dictatorship is called fascism. Oh well....

[Salvodor]

Ignorance is with you, Kolovrat damn it.

[BISMARCK94]

War mages arrived

[Normal ok]

To this form, you need a camouflage cross. But seriously, why only Orthodox priests?

[Voyager]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

For no one has proved the non-existence of God. But the being of God is proved.

With all due respect, but the information is, to say the least, controversial and not true.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

It all depends on desire. Free will. To be convinced of the existence of the Creator, God, a sincere desire is necessary. Everyone can come and turn to God! Enter into fellowship with God in prayer. And God instantly responds !!! And then a person believes, is convinced of the existence of God. But very often a person does not need God. For faith in God makes it difficult to live unbridled, adulterous. After all, if God is, then I-tv.a.r.r. (created) and must fulfill its functions i.e. the commandments. But it is so difficult! Therefore, I will tell myself that there is no God and will lull my conscience with excuses, lies. Anyway. This is me all about myself. And the proof of the existence of God is here http://foma.ru/16-dokazatelstv-byitiya-boga.html

[Kahlan amnell]

With all due respect, such "evidence" is not. Philosophical speculations are not proofs, but only a play of the mind, akin to the logical constructions below.
1. No one can be simultaneously omnipotent and omniscient. For example, God knows for sure that in the future at time A, event B will occur. The question immediately arises: can God intervene in the course of things and prevent the above event? Any believer will answer without hesitation that he can. But then the "knowledge" of God about the future will turn out to be not knowledge at all, but, at best, a hypothesis, because in his omnipotence he always has several options for actions and cannot even foresee his own actions (if an action can be foreseen, then it is not free, that , of course, does not fit with the beliefs of believers about the deity). There is an obvious contradiction.
2. Even the ancients thought about the question of whether God can create a stone, which he then cannot lift (it is impossible to give an answer to this question within the framework of religious thinking). The philosophers of the 20th century formulated this problem even more gracefully: can God of his own free will cease to exist? If not, then he is not omnipotent, and if so, where is the guarantee that he has not done it or will not do it in the future, depriving his faithful followers of the kingdom of heaven? By the way, the fundamental ability of a person to commit suicide is not disputed by any sane person. It turns out that the fragile "thinking reed" in a certain sense is much stronger than the immortal god?
3. God is not free, since he is doomed for eternity to do only good and is incapable of evil deeds (in this regard, I remember Sodom and Gomorrah, but this fact is not directly related to the topic of the article). And at the same time, believers claim that it was God who endowed man with free will, that is, he gave him what he himself does not have. The double standards of religious thinking are obvious: on the one hand, believers are interested in creating a "positive image" of the object of worship, and on the other, the church wants to hold a person responsible for as many "sins" as possible and thus achieve control and obedience.
4. There is a good aphorism that the Absolute is unable to manifest itself. Indeed, how does modern science think about the concept of life? Living matter (like any other) must move, act, develop. Movement is the movement of an object from one point in space to another. God is omnipresent, that is, he is present at all points of space at once, so he simply has nowhere to move. For the same reason, he cannot act, since action is always directed outward, for him two are necessary - a subject and an object. Conclusion: "God's punishment" is terrible only for people who cannot think logically. It is also obvious that God cannot develop, because he already is Perfection itself and does not have any opportunities for growth. That is, only one thing can be objected to Nietzsche's statement about the death of God - the one that never existed (and inconceivable, moreover) cannot die.
5. One more question - why did God create the world? Believers will most likely say that he did not want to be left alone, wanted him to have a companion who could appreciate and even improve the creation. Firstly, they do not do this with companions (remember the story of Job). Secondly, the all-perfect is never bored (this is a problem for people - "there is no one to talk to"), he does not need anyone's praise or help, so the logic of believers is incomprehensible.
6. God, as you know, requires that his commandments be strictly observed. In case of disobedience, he is unspeakably upset and threatens the person with all kinds of sanctions. But, on the other hand, an all-perfect being should be ideally happy, and it is impossible in principle to spoil his mood, as well as to incur his anger. From this it follows that religion simply usurped the elementary norms of human society (which people, of course, thought of themselves, without a sign from the outside), mixed them with outright delirium ("who does not honor Saturday, will be put to death," etc.) and presented this mixture as divine will.

[Oleg Vyacheslavovich]

If these are your thoughts, you are not sorry! If strangers, then abandon them. To know God, you just need to recognize yourself as a creature, kneel down and turn to God with prayer. Decide what you pray for. But the most important thing is not for God, but for you. For find out why Christ came to the world, one of His names is the Savior. Find out from what Christ will save you if you come to Him. If you do not need salvation from anything, then you do not need a Savior. Decide for YOURSELF whether you want to be saved or not. It's simple. AND THIS IS THE MAIN QUESTION OF LIFE ON THE EARTH. That is why all Orthodox Christians are very pleased that in difficult times there is a priest-minister of God on earth nearby. And Christian warriors are no exception.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

If these are your thoughts, you are not sorry! If strangers, then abandon them.

To begin with, you prove the fallacy of my views.

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

To know God, you just need to recognize yourself as a creature, kneel down and turn to God with prayer.

I am a man, the daughter of my father and mother - this is obvious and objective, corresponds to reality and does not require the multiplication of entities beyond what is necessary. And my father and mother never required me to kneel before them. Respect for parents and mutual respect always, as far as I remember, were in our family.

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

Decide what you pray for. But the most important thing is not for God, but for you.

Sorry, but I don’t think I need to pray to the void.

Quote: Oleg Vyacheslavovich

For find out why Christ came to the world, one of His names is the Savior. Find out from what Christ will save you if you come to Him. If you do not need salvation from anything, then you do not need a Savior. Decide for YOURSELF whether you want to be saved or not. It's simple. AND THIS IS THE MAIN QUESTION OF LIFE ON THE EARTH. That is why all Orthodox Christians are very pleased that in difficult times there is a priest-minister of God on earth nearby. And Christian warriors are no exception.

The Bible is a collection of diverse texts from different writers and from different times, united by only one topic. Moreover, contradicting itself. And truth must be consistent with itself.
Sueslovia on the topic of salvation is as empty as prayers to the void.

[Voyager]

Do not waste time, it is useless .. These people only pretend to bear virtue, because if that were the case, then first of all, they would call to hear and listen to others, to love and value life, what you have, not the first thing is to hope for a super-being, which in primitive times was invented to explain the incomprehensible, and then used for political purposes.

[cannabis]

The Bible explains the origin of Christ, it is. But while reading the Bible you constantly find in it a contradiction of judgments and directions. Reason suggests that the Bible itself is a list from ancient Vedic books that directly or allegorically explained natural phenomena. Following this path, it can be assumed that the death of Christ overtook him at 33 and his subsequent resurrection is nothing more than knowledge about the coming of age of the soul. According to the ancient Slavic rules, a man was allowed to participate in decision-making (vote) at the popular EVENING only after the 33rd anniversary, that is, after the person’s degeneration. Well, and as an option, the assumption that Christ was a Russian sorcerer who, after traveling to India, went to the sons of Israel to try to explain to them the destructiveness of money-grubbing and aim at the spiritual aspects of life, has the right to exist. Based on the fact that all the ancient books are collected in the Vatican repository and we have been ordered to study them, we can only speculate. There are many truths, but the truth is one.

[Voyager]

If for some of the believers in the army the presence of a priest nearby can help, then this is a good thing. But everything should be in moderation, and bring to senility is not worth it. Such things can and should be done much more modestly. I personally am against the active introduction of the influence of churches (of all stripes) in all aspects of life: in the education and upbringing of children, in politics, in censorship, including in the military
- if a person wants to accept faith, let him do it himself consciously and in a mature state, and not under the yoke of education from childhood about "how to live correctly"
- he will want, he will find literature himself, and will not waste his time and energy at school when there are much more useful activities
- a person wants to watch, listen to what he wants and that he will not go beyond what is permitted by modern standards established in the state - no one should interfere with this. And then I recall the case when the Russian Orthodox Church began to drive to the first channel for advertising a savings bank, it seems where the main characters were ancient Greek gods. They did not like the pier, not canonical. Rave.

[cedar]

Quote: Voyager

If for some of the believers in the army the presence of a priest nearby can help, then this is a good thing. But everything should be in moderation, and bring to senility is not worth it. Such things can and should be done much more modestly.

To you, dear, they clearly wrote "In the Central Military District they presented a field uniform for MILITARY priests of the Orthodox Church." And in WAR, death and suffering go hand in hand, and you talk about some kind of insanity and modesty ...

"... You, dad, have erected a worthy monument to your one hundred and eighty-nine" bachatas "who laid down their young heads on Afghan soil from Kabul to Kandahar during the two years of your battalion command. Although this mournful list of losses is great, they have decreased by three times in comparison with your predecessors. Despite the fact that the battalion fought and more often and better. And the monument to the dead, without further ado, was sculpted from out of nowhere imported marble. The stone figure of a soldier was dressed in real military equipment, six combat grenades were hung on his belt. a Kalashnikov light machine gun was thrown over his shoulder.
The posthumous list of glories was opened by two heroes who saved at the cost of their own lives almost an entire company in one deadly-heavy reconnaissance. Then the bandit Khottab, a native of Tajikistan, took a hostage hostage. At night, two dehkanins, exhausted to the last degree, crawled to the baht with a plea for help. In their barely audible whisper, the translator could only make out: "In the name of children and Allah! ..."
Fighters of "The Seagull" brutally punished drug addict Hottaba, tearing the village from the clutches of the criminal.
Crouched in a vice by the four assault squads of The Seagull in a small adobe village, the bandit group snapped violently for three hours. The battle, which turned into a stabbing for every duval, window, roof, gradually shrank toward the center of the village, making it possible to get to Hottab. The leader, hiding behind a shield of women with children, grinning and howling “elling-bismally,” began to throw one child with his head off in the direction of the special forces.
Having rammed the rear wall of the APC closest to the bandits, two stormtrooper commanders jumped out of the car's hatch. Hottaba was tattered with knives, like in a meat grinder. Those bandits who managed to fall to the ground, surrendering, were left alive, the rest were carried out with bayonets.
One hot-hunter who tried to escape for a long time and was silently persecuted by a bater. And when, finally, the depleted "spirit" collapsed to the ground, it was "paved" with the wheels of a car.
Under a lonely tree, women howled, tore their hair in sorrow for their young children. In this battle, suicide bombers from the Hottab guard burned themselves with napalm, along with local children and two Russian officers. Later, the names of these senior lieutenants from Siberia and the Pskov region, who received the title of Hero for that battle, appeared on the obelisk near the headquarters of the "Seagull". Posthumously."
https://azbyka.ru/fiction/zhivyj-v-pomoshhi-zapis
ki-afganca / # n15

[cedar]

There have been Orthodox military priests in the Russian army and navy for centuries, which has always distinguished its more gracious attitude towards prisoners and civilians in the conquered countries. Ahead of the war, which has not yet happened. A return to the army and naval priests will only benefit the soul and body of the Russian wars.

The story of the "Picked Governor"

"... Under the smashed, smoking helicopter lay a young soldier with his head half cut off by a splinter like a blade. Nearby, holding in his hands dirty as machine rags, his guts, beating his feet on the ground, a senior lieutenant arched in an arc - a helicopter who had recently arrived at the Bracket base technician.
- Put his intestines back! - Andrey yelled.
- Shove it, otherwise we’ll step and tear it off. Take the legs, I - the hands!
Starley wasn’t brought to the dugout. The poor man's eyes rolled back and his tongue fell out from behind the purple foam. Therefore, in order not to risk in vain, they lay down so as to see the nearest approaches: from the side of burning helicopters they could not get close to them.
“That's it ... We leave it here, then we'll pick it up,” the friend officers decided. Behind them, the remains of combat helicopters hummed in flames and scattered from the bursting fuel and shells. The air filled with heat and burning, the stench breath of death filled all around. Victor felt his skin dry in his mouth. Suddenly, the "spirits" stopped shelling, but it was not believed that this was all ...
It always has been so: right after the retreating nausea, the most painful episodes of the past flashed for several moments in Victor's brain. And each time different. In the past there were many, many tormenting and terrible.
The old women, of the constant parishioners, were nestled with their purses and folding fishing benches along the walls. Some of them already recognized Victor and therefore nodded affably:
- God save you, son ... "

https://azbyka.ru/fiction/zhivyj-v-pomoshhi-zapis
ki-afganca / # n15

[cedar]

From time immemorial, Orthodox military priests have been in the Russian army and navy. Their beneficial effects have always distinguished our soldiers and sailors with a gracious attitude towards the captive enemy and the inhabitants of the conquered countries. Ahead of the war, which has not yet happened. The return of the priests to the units and to the ships is very timely.

Dad Blazhenko and his "bachata"

"... You, dad, have erected a worthy monument to your one hundred and eighty-nine" bachatas "who laid down their young heads on Afghan soil from Kabul to Kandahar during the two years of your battalion command. Although this mournful list of losses is great, they have decreased by three times in comparison with your predecessors. Despite the fact that the battalion fought and more often and better. And the monument to the dead, without further ado, was sculpted from out of nowhere imported marble. The stone figure of a soldier was dressed in real military equipment, six combat grenades were hung on his belt. a Kalashnikov light machine gun was thrown over his shoulder.
The posthumous list of glories was opened by two heroes who saved at the cost of their own lives almost an entire company in one deadly-heavy reconnaissance. Then the bandit Khottab, a native of Tajikistan, took a hostage hostage. At night, two dehkanins, exhausted to the last degree, crawled to the baht with a plea for help. In their barely audible whisper, the translator could only make out: "In the name of children and Allah! ..."
Fighters of "The Seagull" brutally punished drug addict Hottaba, tearing the village from the clutches of the criminal.
Crouched in a vice by the four assault squads of The Seagull in a small adobe village, the bandit group snapped violently for three hours. The battle, which turned into a stabbing for every duval, window, roof, gradually shrank toward the center of the village, making it possible to get to Hottab. The leader, hiding behind a shield of women with children, grinning and howling “elling-bismally,” began to throw one child with his head off in the direction of the special forces.
Having rammed the rear wall of the APC closest to the bandits, two stormtrooper commanders jumped out of the car's hatch. Hottaba was tattered with knives, like in a meat grinder. Those bandits who managed to fall to the ground, surrendering, were left alive, the rest were carried out with bayonets.
One hot-hunter who tried to escape for a long time and was silently persecuted by a bater. And when, finally, the depleted "spirit" collapsed to the ground, it was "paved" with the wheels of a car.
Under a lonely tree, women howled, tore their hair in sorrow for their young children. In this battle, suicide bombers from the Hottab guard burned themselves with napalm, along with local children and two Russian officers. Later, the names of these senior lieutenants from Siberia and the Pskov region, who received the title of Hero for that battle, appeared on the obelisk near the headquarters of the "Seagull". Posthumously."
https://azbyka.ru/fiction/zhivyj-v-pomoshhi-zapis
ki-afganca / # n15

[Voyager]

Quote: cedar

To you, dear, they clearly wrote "In the Central Military District they presented a field uniform for MILITARY priests of the Orthodox Church." And in WAR, death and suffering go hand in hand, and you talk about some kind of insanity and modesty ...

Not about some, but about quite real insanity, because the tendency to introduce religious influence on all fronts of life, including in the army, is clearly traced. I say again, if it helps someone, it’s good, but you should not fully hope for it. To defeat the army, first of all, love for the motherland, competent leadership, training and modern equipment help.

[cedar]

Quote: Voyager

Quote: cedar

To you, dear, they clearly wrote "In the Central Military District they presented a field uniform for MILITARY priests of the Orthodox Church." And in WAR, death and suffering go hand in hand, and you talk about some kind of insanity and modesty ...

Not about some, but about quite real insanity, because the tendency to introduce religious influence on all fronts of life, including in the army, is clearly traced. I say again, if it helps someone, it’s good, but you should not fully hope for it. To defeat the army, first of all, love for the motherland, competent leadership, training and modern equipment help.

At first glance, everything is correct ... BUT you forgot to emphasize the role of ideology, as a minimum, and religion, as a maximum. It is on them that morality and immorality, honor and dishonesty, mutual assistance and betrayal, and the whole spectrum of human behavior in battle and war are based, and ultimately the fundamental difference between state wars with one ideology and religion, from wars of another with a different ideology and faith.

"...TVNZ": You (Syrian President Bashar al-Assad) They said in one of their interviews that this is a difficult war because terrorists can be killed, but ideology cannot be killed. When I spoke with your officers at the front, they told me how to deal with a person who is not afraid of death. This is happiness for him, because 72 virgins in paradise are waiting for him. And our soldiers - normal people they fear death. So morale is not the same.[i] [/ i] The morale of terrorists is higher. How can you kill this ideology?
Komsomolskaya Pravda: I always felt something mystical in this fight for Damascus, and only after that I understood why so many mercenaries came here. One Islamic theologian explained to me that they really believe that in the Syrian city of Dabik (Damascus) there will be an Apocalypse, the main battle between good and evil. Therefore, they are now ready. I was, for example, in Bosnia, and many fanatics told me: we are going to Dabik. For them it’s mysticism, and I can’t even imagine how to deal with it.
B. Assad: That's right!
"TVNZ": Because there is a huge propaganda: go to dubik! Go to Syria! Because it is there that the Apocalypse will be.
B. Assad: This is like a sacred place for a battle. If you want to go to heaven, you have to go through Syria. Dying elsewhere, you can’t go to heaven. This is part of their ideology.
Komsomolskaya Pravda: Are they sure that if they die in Syria, they will immediately go to heaven?
B. Assad: They think so. For example, some of them are convinced that if they kill more innocents, they will have iftar (breakfast) with the prophet in Ramadan. They believe it. They were completely brainwashed, so you cannot blame them, they are simply ignorant. Many of them are teenagers. Their just use ... "

There are no unbelievers. All believe. The whole question is who, what and how? And as it turns out, everything is very, very difficult ...
See at the root, dear.

[Voyager]

Quote: cedar

and religion, as a maximum. It is on them that morality and immorality, honor and dishonesty, mutual assistance and betrayal, and the whole spectrum of human behavior in battle and war are based, and ultimately the fundamental difference between state wars with one ideology and religion, from wars of another with a different ideology and faith.

The foregoing is more suitable for times past, crusades and the like. I will not argue that even today there are ideological wars (are we talking about global conflicts?) And religious wars, but speaking about the effectiveness of the army, I did not primarily talk about graters in the east, but for example our country. Or the United States army, or other similar armies that may have different doctrines, fundamentally differ in structure and ideology (meet the interests of their state), but not religion. If it comes to religion, then we run the risk of turning into exactly the same animals as those animals that commit acts of terrorism in the east. How much blood was shed on religious grounds? If you reply to this message at all, I’m sure to omit this point. Or now don’t lower it, since I have focused on this. There is another danger when an ideology based on religion can impede one or another progress or development of society, because such is contrary to the scriptures. (we recall the story when a believing granny stole and burned his grandson’s prosthesis with a disabled person at night, because she believed that this was his burden and he should bear it without such “unclean” means) In this case, they are respected, and people (including the army ) loses some .. I will express myself so, mobility and flexibility in progress and in approaching various situations. Or, most likely given today's realities and common sense, these claims from the side of religion will be ignored. What do we have in the end? Religion can and in fact sometimes inhibits progress. And many people use this religion (they use it) but not sincerely, because they are considered compromises.
Let's face it. On paper, religion can carry its own foundations, a set of rules on morality and other things listed above, but if you look at reality, people often break the commandments and turn to higher powers only when they need to. Many generally believe in this for complacency, to know that after death there is something there, and not something, but paradise, and that for this you need only to go to church on time, to be honest in confession, not to miss prayers and so on ... Reminds duties, they say, but have you done your homework? Moreover, I’ll tell you that people who consider themselves believers in statistics commit immoral, illegal and dishonest actions more often than people who consider themselves atheists or people who still have not decided how this world works and are looking for. Guess why? You guess, because believers have a keen sense that if you have sinned (and you do it all the time), then you can just ask for forgiveness and they will forgive you all. This approach unties the hands, makes people more vulnerable to the temptation to do something similar. I am not saying that believing in God, or believing in something similar is bad, and that this should not be, in the army or elsewhere. If faith is there, it is primarily within man. But not in the supposedly sacred scriptures that people actually wrote. Not in temples built for a lot of money, taken from no where. And not in the codes of rules and sacraments, which, if viewed from the side and with no intent eyes, can be understood that they are no different from the rites of primitive tribes or people worshiping pagan gods. By the way, an excerpt from the Komsomol truth once again reminds of how dangerous religion is in a war, into what soulless and painless killing machine it turns a person. And true honor, morality, the ability to distinguish between good and evil, love and mutual assistance are primarily instilled by parents, reasonable, of course

[cedar]

Quote: Voyager

If it comes to religion, then we run the risk of turning into exactly the same animals as those animals that commit acts of terrorism in the east. How much blood was shed on religious grounds? If you reply to this message at all, I’m sure to omit this point. Or now don’t lower it, since I have focused on this.

Dear Voyager, I draw your attention to the essence of the word religion itself - this communication. Not only ALL wars, but ALL the life of man and mankind passes through and through communications. With what? With everything! In the limit with the World infinite in space and eternal in time, reflected ideally, in the form of ideas about it, in our consciousness. These ideas not only bind individuals in societies, peoples and countries, but also fight, fight each other, for the right to dominate and rule. That is, all wars, our whole life from beginning to end ... are religious and religious. And only the nature of specific, personal connections, your measure of perception, makes "your" ... religion personally yours ...
Currently, all of humanity, we are not an exception, is tied to the religion of money. How much blood has been shed and shed because of this religion you yourself see. You may not recognize yourself as an adherent of this religion, but this is the tenth matter. Temples, banks are. Priests and high priests are bankers available. Parishioners contributors and users .. are available. And above all this, the god of wealth of mammon. Neopaganism is complete, but in a new high-tech high-tech package.
Jesus' words: "No one can serve two masters: for either he will hate one and love the other; or he will be zealous for one, and neglect the other. You cannot serve God and mammon."
(Matthew 6:24).
Here is our specific today, imposed by the bankers .., the overwhelming majority, the scale of the perception of Divine eternity and infinity. Here's the "whole truth in the eye" about us orphaned and poor. We see at the root, dear.

[Voyager]

I have to inform you, dear cedar, that you are confused and began to contradict yourself. The contradiction lies in the fact that you cite the words of Jesus as a certain message for me (and other people in the street). But who do you serve, since you yourself recognized yourself as a slave to the "money religion", as you put it? Moreover, with such a clear distinction between a certain faith and another "faith" (in money), how is it that members of other confessions live in this world of money in the same way and use it? And literally. Donations are collected in money, candles are sold for money, but this is still understandable, but the performance of sacraments like baptism today is also accompanied by the collection of certain sums, isn't it?
Moreover, one should not confuse concepts and engage in puns. Religion can be a connection in its essence, but by definition it implies belief in a miracle, supernatural, in certain forces and / or beings. Money doesn’t fit here, it’s not a miracle. The usual material, the method of ordering and calculation. I would say that money is ancient of all modern religions; it appeared thousands of years before the birth of Christ. Everything else (banks, managers, etc.) arose gradually as a result of progress. Similar analogies with temples, clergy and a deity sound spectacular, but in reality there is nothing in common between them. Moreover, maybe your god himself is not against the existence of such a payment system in the world, since it exists? Yet according to his will, is not it? Or yes? There is nothing perfect, cedar. And much more can be called into question, and quite rightly. And including the buildup of the influence of religion in military affairs. It does not lead to good. The most fierce wars have always been during revolutions and during religious wars. Fact. So much for the root ..

[cedar]

"The war is going to establish world power in the interests of the global financial elite"
http://www.km.ru/world/2016/10/25/voina-v-irake/7
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[TsUS-Air Force]

the army also helped a lot, the church strengthened and supported very spiritually.

[Loki_2]

The discussion did not go quite in the right direction. The main question is whether it is possible to appoint a "titular" religion in a multi-confessional state or insist on the equality of all religions (including atheism)?
I believe that it is impossible. This is like nationalism. Start indulging him and you will receive death to any multinational state. The union, by the way, was also broken along ethnic lines ...

[TsUS-Air Force]

I agree! we, too, half of the unit were Bashkir Tatars. you just need a religious center with a unit that should be supervised by a commander no less than a company, where they will listen to the soldier, his state of mind. and as a rule we have one religious center where both the head and the head, the brain and mind are political!