The developers first published the image of the Sarmat rocket

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State Rocket Center. Makeeva published an image of a promising heavy ballistic missile RS-28 "Sarmat", reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The developers first published the image of the Sarmat rocket




The image is accompanied by a short text: "In accordance with the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation" On the state defense order for 2010 and the planned period of 2012-2013. " JSC "GRTS Makeeva" instructed to begin the development of the ROC "Sarmat". In June, 2011 was signed a state contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for the development of the Sarmat design and development work. The prospective strategic missile system (SSCR) "Sarmat" is created in order to guarantee and effectively accomplish the tasks of nuclear deterrence by the strategic forces of Russia. General Designer V.G. Degtyar, chief designer Yu.A. Kaverin.

The two-stage 5 generation liquid-propellant rocket “Sarmat” should be replaced on the “Voevod” duty. It is reported that the new missile from its predecessors is distinguished by a "powerful missile defense system, a suborbital trajectory and hypersonic warheads."

As Jane's resource noted earlier, “warheads maneuvering at speed in 6 are invulnerable to air defense and missile defense systems, with their help, Russia will be able to deliver targeted strikes within local wars for the first time using non-nuclear warheads.”

In the classic version, “Sarmat” can carry 10-15 blocks, each with a power of 750.
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  1. 0
    24 October 2016 08: 47
    Not special, but judging by the image, the rocket launches "on the mortar". And I wonder what else it can tell the specialists? After all, even its size cannot be recognized by it ...
    1. +2
      24 October 2016 09: 16
      Yes, like all mine-based missiles and TPK use mortar launch?
      1. +1
        24 October 2016 09: 23
        At the bottom of the rocket, a "drum" - it "pushes" the rocket out of the mine. Then it fires back to the side.
        1. +9
          24 October 2016 09: 25
          I want to add. Why put warheads in non-nuclear equipment on an expensive rocket? There are other ways for point strikes ..
          1. Arh
            0
            24 October 2016 09: 50
            Bach and there is no one! ! ! )))
            1. +5
              24 October 2016 10: 33
              Serious contraption, the US will try to catch up - everything is as it was before.
          2. +3
            24 October 2016 11: 07
            What kind of others, if, for example, you suddenly need to urgently bang someone in the region of Australia or Argentina?
          3. 0
            24 October 2016 11: 25
            Quote: dmi.pris
            to put warhead in non-nuclear equipment?

            And in addition, according to the START Treaty, the number of carriers of strategic nuclear weapons is limited. So why waste media so irrationally? After all, it will not be possible to say that this particular "Sarmat" is not nuclear, that you, the Americans, do not include it in the START list.
          4. +10
            24 October 2016 11: 35
            Mount the cassette of anti-satellite blocks. They are non-nuclear, there are generally explosives like in an anti-personnel mine. And self-guiding. That is the sacred bucket with bolts and scrap metal. It is shot into orbit into the satellite passage zone and after the separation of the guiding blocks by detonation, a cloud of metal striking elements is created. Our The answer was to their SDI.
          5. +6
            24 October 2016 12: 06
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Why put warheads in non-nuclear equipment on an expensive rocket?

            This is an old and very strange dream of the Americans. At the end of 90 - beginning of 2000 they tried to push through this at home. We barely discouraged them from this idea, said that we would consider any unconditional launch as a nuclear missile attack and what kind of warhead was on the drum.
          6. +1
            24 October 2016 12: 27
            Quote: dmi.pris
            . Why put on warhead missiles in non-nuclear equipment?

            For accuracy, speed of delivery, overcoming missile defense systems and causing minimal damage to the object. After all, strikes can be applied not only for destruction, but also for partial incapacitation, subsequent capture and the possibility of use. For example, airfields, ports - why the hell is there radiation. hi
          7. 0
            24 October 2016 14: 40
            can carry 10-15 blocks, with a capacity of 750 kilotons each
          8. +2
            24 October 2016 16: 34
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Why put warheads in non-nuclear equipment on an expensive rocket? There are other ways for point strikes ..

            According to the sparrows from the gun, or what !?
            And this will not work for the simple reason that the US missile defense missile defense system at the start of such a "toy" will squeal like a koban on the slaughter!
            I think that we will not reason to provoke amers. And they threw a quote to show * accuracy * P-28. Like, and with conversion zarad, we pick out everything we want. Although, given the kinetic energy of the BB on the 6M, it is possible to plow any bunker or ZKP without charge. Yes
            IMHO.
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    2. 0
      24 October 2016 09: 27
      The original dimensions should be standard. There is a mine with fixed dimensions. Remodeling everything is expensive.
      1. +4
        24 October 2016 10: 15
        "TTX missiles:
        (approximate geometric dimensions based on the expected diameter in 3 m)
        Length:
        - missiles with PAD - approx. 32 m
        - PAD - 2.15 m
        - 1 step - approx. 9 m
        - 2 step - approx. 8.9 m
        - 3 step - approx. 6 m
        Case Diameter - 3 m

        Weight:
        - not less than 100.000 kg
        - 120-160 tons (forecast, source)
        The mass thrown:
        - 4300 kg (source)
        - up to 5000 kg (source - Yesin V., tape.ru)
        - up to 10000 kg (Deputy Minister of Defense Yu. Borisov, data is not considered to be correct by us)
        - 5000-5500 kg (forecast, source)

        Range - about 10000-11000 km
        KVO - 150-200 m (estimated) "
        http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-435.html
        1. +3
          24 October 2016 10: 32
          Most likely, 10 tons of combat load, as 15 warheads weigh 7500 kilograms.
        2. +4
          24 October 2016 16: 51
          Quote: sub307
          Range - about 10000-11000 km

          The article in plain text says: she is orbiting!
          And this means that the range is not less than 16 000 km. Or it will generally fly around the ball until it receives a braking command and attacks the designated target. This, if by analogy with the Cliff orbital. (P-36 orb, product 8K69). There was an 3 regiment, but according to OSV-2 they were put under the knife in the 1983 year.
          1. +1
            24 October 2016 18: 39
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            The article says in plain text: it is orbital!
            And this means that the range is not less than 16 000 km. Or it will generally fly around the ball until it receives a braking command and attacks the designated target.

            ... alas, the revolutions of more than one around the "ball" are recognized as "putting weapons into space." Therefore, only one incomplete revolution: through the North or South Poles ...
            Bye taG
            1. +1
              24 October 2016 20: 09
              A full revolution is 40000 km range.
              Incomplete - 39000 km bully
            2. +2
              24 October 2016 20: 24
              Quote: Rus2012
              ... alas, the revolutions of more than one around the "ball" are recognized as "putting weapons into space."

              Of course you are right!
              But, when it comes to launching such * gifts *, I think it will no longer be sentiment. That is probably why the Shtatovs are adopting super new telescopes to identify the object before it hits you (that is, it!) On your head.
    3. +1
      24 October 2016 10: 13
      "Launcher - probably, it is supposed to use silos similar to silos for missiles R-36M / R-36M2. For example, according to the source, silos of the 15P718 complex at 106/109 site of the Baikonur range as of 2009 are planned for technical re-equipment, the customer is NPO Mashinostroyenia.
      Storage, transportation and launch of the rocket are supposed to be from TPK developed and manufactured by Avangard OJSC. In 2011, Avangard OJSC started the development of directive technology and a feasibility study for the production of the Sarmat TPK body "
    4. +1
      24 October 2016 11: 33
      Quote: svp67
      but judging by the image, the rocket is launched "by mortar". And I wonder what else it can tell the specialists?

      Veteran s russianarms.ru suggest -
      "15A28 - quite expected 2,5-3 meters in diameter and about 25-30 meters in length. Mortar launch.
      DU-2 "drowned" (placed in the environment of the 1st stage propellant) with the stages disconnected by the frame deckhouse with an extended charge. "Illuminator" in the upper part hints at SPR, successive to 15SH51. Mass, tons 170 ... 200 ".
      1. +1
        24 October 2016 20: 31
        Quote: Rus2012
        with undocking of steps chopping the frame with an extended charge.

        Well, why the * ax * something !? belay
        Is it really impossible to solve the problem with pyro-bolts and blow-out charges? what
        Or will it still be more reliable for strength reasons?
  2. +11
    24 October 2016 08: 49
    Our beauty, we are waiting for it to enter service.
    1. +14
      24 October 2016 09: 09
      Our beauty, we wait when it goes into service

      I would call such a rocket, not "Sarmat", but "Alyonushka" love crying
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 10: 36
        I would call this ICBM "Scorcher".
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 11: 35
          Externally - an ordinary pipe, and what was there to hide? )))
  3. +2
    24 October 2016 08: 49
    Opensource projects, now it is clear what the "nuclear club" will look like !!! Faster would have shown the rocket itself, and not the picture!
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 11: 10
      I share your joy and pride in such a missile, but I am afraid of one thing - the missile is very vulnerable at the time of launch, especially since the coordinates of the launch mines are known to the enemy.
      1. +2
        24 October 2016 20: 46
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        the missile is very vulnerable at the time of launch, the more coordinates of the launch mines are known to the enemy.

        1. She will have an accelerating section of the trajectory (AUT) through the Gobi / Himalayas, where the partners have no ABM yet (well, RKR and EM URO with Ijis don’t float there!) Or through the Arctic Ocean, where we will try to prevent anything partnership from floating at the time of launch!
        2. All hope for the early warning system. We must warn in advance so that by the time the partner greets arrive, our products are already on the route ... This is called a "return and oncoming" hello!
        3. Well, the Gapy Sarmatians will have to cover our Near Missile Defense, and systems like KAZ Mozyr ....
  4. 0
    24 October 2016 08: 50
    Is black color for heavy ICBMs traditional?

    And that, 15 warheads on 750ct. What is it like?
    1. +4
      24 October 2016 08: 56
      Is black color for heavy ICBMs traditional?

      Yes, even in pink color, the essence will not change.
      And that, 15 warheads on 750ct. What is it like?

      15 warheads at 750 kilotons each. What is not clear? Given the stated accuracy (maneuvering warheads !!), that's enough for yourself.
      1. +5
        24 October 2016 21: 07
        Quote: Wedmak
        Yes, even in pink color, the essence will not change.

        In pink unobtrusive!
        Against the background of a bottomless black space will be noticeable!
        Well, and besides, LGBD people will be offended! And we are terribly tolerant in this matter! Therefore, in order not to frighten the shy pi ** ditch from the Pentagon, you have to step on your own song in the throat. .. and painted with matte, glossless black with a radio-absorbing effect ...
        How else! fellow
    2. +8
      24 October 2016 08: 59
      demiurg hi
      And that, 15 warheads on 750ct. What is it like?
      Yes, that's right. One launch and 10-15 cities of a likely partner in the stuffing.
      1. +1
        24 October 2016 21: 17
        Quote: Observer2014
        Yes, that's right. One launch and 10-15 cities of a likely partner in the stuffing.

        Oh no! Do not poison the soul and the wounded heart!(C)

        The Yankes simply will not bear this: they have officially adopted "unacceptable damage" - the loss of 20 cities with a population of 500 thousand inhabitants!
        So what does it do? Two Sarmat and the States smoking bamboo sadly? Well, it's not fair! But what about the exclusivity, the descendants of European scum?
        Yes, damn it, bad luck!
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 23: 53
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          So what does it do? Two Sarmat and the States smoking bamboo sadly? Well, it's not fair! But what about the exclusivity, the descendants of European scum?

          They definitely won’t smoke bamboo. In Afghanistan, drug production has skyrocketed.
          https://topwar.ru/102550-oon-proizvodstvo-opiuma-
          v-afganistane-vyroslo-na-43-.html
    3. +1
      24 October 2016 09: 14
      here the truth for some reason did not write that some of them will be false.
      1. +1
        24 October 2016 09: 38
        No ... they’re talking specifically about 10-15 combat. And 750 ct is the power in the version of the 10 warhead. How many false and other means of overcoming missile defense are there - only the designer and the customers know.
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 18: 18
          Quote: Wedmak
          No ... they’re talking about 10-15 combat ones.



          Hardly ... There will be from 3 to 5 combat, the rest will ensure the passage of enemy missile defense ...
          1. +1
            24 October 2016 21: 51
            Quote: weksha50
            Hardly ... It will be from 3 to 5 combat

            On the tass.ru posted a digest on the theme of the day - the publication of the appearance of Sarmat.
            And here is what finally looms:
            - BB maximum m. to 15 (KTLCs enter there - there is no data, although the ratio of BB to KTLC can be m. and 1 / 10)
            - equipment m. "mixed" or "individually different", for example, part of the Sarmat with 15BB IN each, some quantity - 3 GZBB each or 3 BB each with a scramjet engine, or even a monoblock with one PCB
            - the "bunch of grapes" is mentioned
            - due to a decrease in the KVO BB by 2 orders of magnitude (!) in relation to the "Voevoda" (instead of 250m - up to 10 !!!), perhaps the power of the BB will be no more than 300mT or less. These standard BB can "maneuver" (most likely they have their own steering systems and "steering wheels")
            - part of the "Sarmat" can be equipped "kinetic warheads", for the destruction of "specially fortified targets"
            - the maximum program of equipping "Sarmatians" - 154 preserved and suitable mines. How much will be real is not yet known.

            Fully - http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3729507
    4. 0
      24 October 2016 10: 13
      Good day!!! 15 warheads of 750 kilotons are very good !!!!
    5. +2
      24 October 2016 10: 38
      Yes, but this is not due to the color scheme, just the anti-radiation and thermally stable coating should be ordered by the military so that it could take off without interference being in the zone of the enemy’s explosion.
  5. +3
    24 October 2016 08: 52
    Another picture ... Projects, projections ... How strong we are ... "in the picture"!
    1. +8
      24 October 2016 08: 55
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      How strong we are ... "in the picture"!

      Judging by the flag "raised" by you, you are writing from Germany. So isn't everything in her so bad that she is only strong with "pictures"? As it is better about her always had an opinion.
      1. +2
        24 October 2016 08: 57
        I was already tired of answering the asked question - in Germany I am on a long official business trip. And so - I'm Russian.
        1. +16
          24 October 2016 09: 03
          in Germany I am on a long business trip

          Stirlitz probably. Therefore, it is encrypted and writes deliberate stupidity on the Russian site.
        2. +5
          24 October 2016 09: 08
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I was already tired of answering the asked question - in Germany I am on a long official business trip. And so - I'm Russian.

          So, take this into account in your comments, and you will be on the same "rake" ...
          So I want to say that in "pictures" all countries are strong. But the fact that this rocket is not only built and tested, but also they will begin to produce and put on the database. We simply have no other choice.
          1. +1
            24 October 2016 09: 12
            I agree with that. There is no other way out. And as for the pictures, I have always been realistic. Regardless of the countries, blocks, etc. ... As for the prototypes. What is beautiful and convenient in the drawing or in the exhibition hall is not always so good at the landfill, and even more so in everyday use.
        3. +2
          24 October 2016 11: 59
          On a long business trip along the Deutsche Welle line.
        4. +1
          24 October 2016 15: 36
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          And so - I'm Russian.

          By passport or by ...?
        5. Oml
          0
          25 October 2016 02: 27
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I was already tired of answering the asked question - in Germany I am on a long official business trip. And so - I'm Russian.


          Apparently a long trip affects, you start to hate everything Russian? Or is he not happy in life?
    2. +12
      24 October 2016 09: 15
      yes, yes, somewhere we already heard it, the cardboard reinforcement, PAK FA will not fly, the Nord Stream will never be built. cut ... cut ... cut ....
      there is nothing good in Russia.
      1. +4
        24 October 2016 09: 16
        There is. People. With a capital letter.
      2. +9
        24 October 2016 09: 22
        Quote: just explo
        yes, yes, somewhere we already heard it, the cardboard reinforcement, PAK FA will not fly, the Nord Stream will never be built. cut ... cut ... cut ....
        there is nothing good in Russia.

        hi They also forgot the Kerch bridge, "Vostochny", "Angara", PD-14, .. Yes, we have a lot of "cardboard" laughing
      3. +4
        24 October 2016 09: 48
        You distinguish constructive criticism from libel, please. Too many loud statements and zilch then, silence. And in the place of joyous cries again about a new miracle. The defense industry requires silence, and you can rejoice already at the parade in Moscow or seeing equipment at the training grounds.
        1. +4
          24 October 2016 10: 35
          Quote: NordUral
          You distinguish constructive criticism from libel, please. Too many loud statements and zilch then, silence. And in the place of joyous cries again about a new miracle. The defense industry requires silence, and you can rejoice already at the parade in Moscow or seeing equipment at the training grounds.

          So we are not discussing the death star (Status-6, Leader, etc.). We are discussing the fully anticipated military unit, which is not from the realm of fantasy, but from priority tasks.
    3. +2
      24 October 2016 18: 47
      Normally we are strong. Hundreds of yards enough?
  6. +3
    24 October 2016 08: 55
    "Sarmat" can carry 10-15 blocks, with a capacity of 750 kilotons each.
    Wow yourself! One rocket against all of England for example! Well or Japan winked
  7. +6
    24 October 2016 08: 57
    Quote: demiurg
    Is black color for heavy ICBMs traditional?

    And that, 15 warheads on 750ct. What is it like?

    it's fucking ... :)))
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 10: 08
      Interestingly, "candy bar" will be? Megatons per 100? fellow
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 10: 26
        Vryatli - all thermonuclear monsters are a thing of the past.
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 11: 02
          Firstly, 750 Kt is also thermonuclear, and secondly, there are a couple of targets there, just under tens of Mt, "if the cook doesn't lie to us" (c)! wink
        2. +1
          24 October 2016 21: 36
          Quote: Vadim237
          all thermonuclear monsters are a thing of the past

          Are you serious?
          Well, well ... Blessed is he who believes!
          1. 0
            25 October 2016 22: 49
            The larger the charge, the faster it undergoes degradation, now 300 kilotons is more than enough to destroy any military base and industrial facility.
      2. +2
        24 October 2016 11: 36
        Quote: engineer74
        Interestingly, "candy bar" will be? Megatons per 100

        20-30 quite, for Armageddon. There were such wishes ...
      3. +1
        24 October 2016 12: 01
        10 tons of weight is about 25 Mt of power of a combat monoblock.
        1. +1
          24 October 2016 12: 39
          Quote: Operator
          10 tons of weight is about 25 Mt of power of a combat monoblock.

          Did you divide the AN-602 in half? smile Since then, science has stepped far forward! good
        2. +2
          24 October 2016 17: 54
          For the best charges, the ratio of power to mass reaches 5,2 ct / kg. This is an indicator with technologies of the early 60s, today this value is even higher due to the use of new materials in charge design.
        3. +2
          24 October 2016 18: 51
          not much less
          1. 0
            26 October 2016 15: 05
            What is the difference between the residents of the cities of New York, London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, etc., how many megatons will explode above their heads - 25 or 50? am
            1. 0
              26 October 2016 16: 54
              Well, with 25 on the outskirts there is a chance to survive in basements and bunkers.
  8. +2
    24 October 2016 08: 58
    I wonder how much can the spec on this image tell about the product? Well, a mortar launch is no secret, and ... is that all? A stupidly black cylinder rounded at one end with several bands and protrusions.
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      1. +1
        24 October 2016 09: 22
        Do you see the "jar" below? This is the starting pressure accumulator. The same or similar to the Voevoda stands. It is he who throws the rocket out of the mine. If Sarmat will replace the voivode, in the same mines, then why reinvent the wheel when there is a ready-made and used starting battery?
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          1. 0
            24 October 2016 09: 53
            It may well be the first stage engine protection sump

            What to protect him from? In general, engine nozzles are recessed into tanks.
            and powder pressure accumulators (if any) will be easier to place in the TPK.

            The same image of a rocket without TPK. That is, this pressure accumulator is already connected to the rocket, but it enters the TPK or it is docked during installation - it is not known.
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              1. 0
                24 October 2016 10: 33
                Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer?
                To protect the rocket from the power and high temperature effects of the combustion products of the powder pressure accumulator used pallet with an obturating belt mounted on it, which provides an overlap of the annular gap between the rocket and the container.

                If simpler, there is a pallet (just a round sheet of metal) with a sealant between the powder accumulator and the rocket. There is not a word about TPK here! Which I actually wrote.
                And where did you see that start not mortar?"
                And the second, if the start was on its engines, there would be no talk of any pressure accumulator. And they would write about bypass channels for the combustion products of the first stage engine.
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                  1. +3
                    24 October 2016 11: 15
                    So in vain you are so.

                    This is not a reference to the nation, but a joke. The Chukchi have their own logic, in some ways correct.
                    As for the "mortar" launch, I just asked, where did you get this from looking at the drawing?

                    Very similar in appearance - this time. The second - to raise a two-stage rocket in 120 tons on their engines is expensive in fuel. Third, the governor’s mines are not designed for such starts. There are no gas vents and thermal protection at least. Building them is very expensive.
                    I reason and try to analyze

                    I gave you arguments, you continued to insist. Well ... the fact that Miass did not deal with the Voivode does not mean that there are no drawings of powder boosters and mines for this type of launch.
                    Understand one thing - to remake the type of start, it is very costly and useless to anyone. It is made easier and with a large use of existing designs and solutions.
                    Somewhere I read that if the percentage of new developments in a new product is more than 10-15%, this significantly increases the risks of its inoperability. And the military does not like to risk such ... products.
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                      1. +1
                        24 October 2016 12: 57
                        but which uses a gas-dynamic "hot" starting scheme.

                        In my opinion, remodeling a mine from a gas-dynamic to a mortar launch is much easier than vice versa.
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        2. +1
          24 October 2016 10: 04
          Sarmatian will be 2 times lighter than the voivode, so not everything from the voivode can migrate to Sarmatian.
          1. 0
            24 October 2016 10: 08
            Did I argue with that? Naturally redo the parameters of Sarmatia. But the technology has been worked out.
    2. 0
      24 October 2016 11: 45
      Quote: Wedmak
      Stupidly black cylinder rounded at one end with several belts and protrusions

      see above and here -

      A hypothetical image of a design variant of an ICBM designed by Makeev
      from the site http://militaryrussia.ru

      The design of the missile is a composite multi-stage longitudinal scheme (based on the first official image of an ICBM, October 2016):
      - PAD
      - 1 stage
      - 2 stage
      - 3 stage
      - instrument compartment and the stage of breeding warheads
      - head part

      Previously, it was believed that the ICBM includes 2 stages and a disengagement unit for warheads. LRE of both stages are "recessed" into the fuel tank, the fuel tanks are load-bearing with combined dividing bottoms.

      Separation of steps is carried out by means of pyro-frames.

      The dilution block of warheads and the layout of the missile’s warhead are presumably made according to the classic scheme for Makeev State Military Center - warheads backward in flight.

      TTX missiles:
      (approximate geometric dimensions based on the expected diameter in 3 m)
      Length:
      - missiles with PAD - approx. 32 m
      - PAD - 2.15 m
      - 1 step - approx. 9 m
      - 2 step - approx. 8.9 m
      - 3 step - approx. 6 m
      Case Diameter - 3 m

      Weight:
      - 120-160 tons (forecast)
      The mass thrown:
      - from 5000 kg (source - Yesin V., tape.ru)
      - up to 10000 kg (Deputy Minister of Defense Yu. Borisov)

      Range - about 10000-11000 km
      QUO - 150-200 m (estimated)


      Types of warheads:
      - At least 8-10 RGCH IN with a perfect set of means to overcome missile defense;

      - several maneuvering combat units (statement by Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov 31.05.2014).

      - It is likely that 1 / 3Y4202 object-type warheads will be used as the 15-71 carrier.
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 11: 56
        Hypothetical image of a design variant of the ICBM of the development of the Municipal Center named after Makeev,
        from the site http://militaryrussia.ru

        The main word is highlighted. Yes, plus forecasts and assumptions based on a fictional picture.
  9. 0
    24 October 2016 09: 10
    This is what death looks like.
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 09: 17
      This is the death of the enemy.
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 09: 48
        This is what the preliminary design of "Sarmat" looks like a.
        1. +1
          24 October 2016 11: 53
          Quote: DenZ
          This is what the preliminary design of "Sarmat" looks like a.

          ... sketchy ?!
          Get out!

          Even according to media reports: Much is already in the metal. Engines, for example, are tested.
          Bl.time - d.b. "throw tests" if they have not already taken place.
          There is a live tractor - conveyor
          1. 0
            28 October 2016 08: 58
            Quote: Rus2012
            ... sketchy ?! Open up!

            Reveal yourself, I know a little more than the media. The image of the conveyor is very funny but has no relation to the rocket directly. Also an achievement, a tractor.
  10. +5
    24 October 2016 09: 12
    author
    with their help, Russia will be able for the first time to deliver precision strikes as part of local wars, using non-nuclear warheads

    The phrase is interesting ... only the question is, will Sarmat be beneficial to use with a non-nuclear warhead?
    And the second: there is less and less time to replace the Voivode. The voivode extended the THIRD TIME service life until the 20th year, then it is pointless to extend and prolong it. I really hope that the Makeyevtsy have time. Sarmat, his appearance may be the most stubborn in the US State Department to cool his head.
    1. +7
      24 October 2016 09: 24
      And the Americans also wanted to use their own way. But the question is, how to distinguish a missile launch from a non-nuclear warhead from a nuclear launch? Do not put crosses on the fairing?
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 12: 03
        Quote: Wedmak
        But the question is, how to distinguish a missile launch from a non-nuclear warhead from a nuclear launch?

        ... there are several options. It was originally planned that the convection equipment will be used in "third countries" or territories, the use of which is agreed between the two nuclear superpowers.
        BUT...
        In connection with the latest events in the World and US Tantrums, right up to the support of bandit forces and countries, it seems that this option is LOST.

        There is another option - launches by penetrating aircraft and GZVA along high-cost "low, imaginary" quasi-ballistic trajectories (no more than 100 km high). It will be problematic to detect and try to fend off the SIE in time! Especially if you apply special masking methods in addition ...;)))))))))))))
        1. +1
          24 October 2016 12: 18
          There are no options at all. Any military use of nuclear weapons will provoke the United States, China and other owners of nuclear weapons. Moreover, their reaction is unknown - either an answer to fear will be allowed, or something else.
          The start of any ICBM is detected by satellites and radar. The trajectory is calculated and then minutes remain to decide what to do next. There is simply no time for calls asking what kind of warhead you have there.
          Now imagine, from the territory of the United States launched 5 ICBMs. By some miracle, they were spotted immediately and we still have half an hour to call Washington and find out what the garbage is? And you will believe them if they say that there are high-explosive warheads flying to bomb the igil ... well, I don’t know .. in Raqqa, for example? And the time before arrival is already 10 minutes ... From Racca to Moscow about 2000 km. A couple of warheads maneuvers at the breeding point, and now about 30 warheads are already rushing to Moscow.
          1. 0
            24 October 2016 12: 55
            Quote: Wedmak
            The start of any ICBM is detected by satellites and radar. Trajectory is calculated

            ... if the Classic ballistic missile starts!

            The Yankees have NEVER spotted the launches of Lavochkin's Tempest strategic intercontinental cruise missiles. The launch of which practically does not differ from the initial launch of an ICBM.
            1. +1
              24 October 2016 13: 41
              strategic intercontinental cruise missiles "Tempest" Lavochkin

              At that time, there weren’t much satellites. Now all silos are monitored. Yes, and other detection tools have increased the performance by an order of magnitude.
              Remember how our SPRN allegedly detected tests of the naval ICBMs of the United States and Israel in the Mediterranean Sea. Almost instantly, two launches were detected in the direction of Syria. But there, in fact, there was a quasi-ballistic trajectory - the distance is not very large.
              1. +1
                24 October 2016 16: 25
                Quote: Wedmak
                At that time, there weren’t much satellites ...
                Now all silos are monitored.
                ...
                Almost instantly, two launches were detected in the direction of Syria.


                ... however, there are "windows".
                Plus, there are "masking" launches. Yes, they have been since ancient times ...
                Old rocket launchers remember ... :)
                In my humble opinion, today, the CD will cope better with the task of a "preventive global unrequited strike". But many simultaneous launches are not needed, up to a dozen will be enough ...

                By the way, yes, here’s another article by Dankomm 2014 of the year -
                A few words about the new heavy rocket
                https://topwar.ru/60546-neskolko-slov-o-novoy-tya
                zheloy-rakete.html
          2. 0
            24 October 2016 15: 00
            The Moscow missile defense system will be able to shoot down all 30 warheads.
            1. 0
              24 October 2016 19: 07
              The Moscow missile defense system will be able to shoot down all 30 warheads.

              You know how to bring them down? The nuclear forests of the Moscow region will quite suit the enemy.
              Maybe it’s already in me the paranoid woke up, but watching the behavior of the United States, this scenario does not seem crazy anymore.
              1. 0
                25 October 2016 22: 59
                If the warheads are intercepted at an altitude of 80 kilometers, then precipitation will occur in kilometers 400 - 600 from Moscow and the region - depending on the wind - the effect of cloud dispersion, and the radiation background will be insignificant, since with an air explosion the radioactive pollution is several times less than with ground .
          3. +1
            24 October 2016 18: 05
            The disengagement area of ​​the BB is too small, at least a couple of hundred kilometers, and the launch of five ICBMs across Russia does not make sense from a military point of view. If they decide to attack, then several hundred Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 missiles will fly.
            1. 0
              24 October 2016 19: 06
              BB breeding zone is too small, maximum a couple of hundred kilometers

              Come on? Do you want to say the bus delivers all its passengers in 25-30 seconds (7.6km / s on 200 km)?
              and the launch of five ICBMs in Russia does not make sense from a military point of view.

              Here's how to know ... For a global strike, yes, not enough. But to paralyze the entire country by destroying its leadership, the capital and another fifteen major targets just right. Of course, the question arises about the retaliatory blow, but ... whose hand will not flinch? The "perimeter" does not count, it may not work from a "weak" attack.
              1. 0
                24 October 2016 21: 16
                Destruction of the country's leadership will not help amers in any way, because our submariners will strike back at them. Even one or two boats can send the United States into the Stone Age.
              2. 0
                25 October 2016 23: 04
                Nothing will be able to paralyze 30 warheads — even less so — since the warheads will be destroyed on the way up, we have an SPR system — it will not work to fly up unnoticed.
  11. +1
    24 October 2016 09: 15
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    especially in everyday use.

    Do you need this? in everyday use?
    As for me, God forbid ..
    There are not one hundred million people. Yes, and we do not need an answer. China will connect, full kapets. We will be with clubs, who will survive running.
    Although Well done !! Russia did not become poor in brains.
  12. +4
    24 October 2016 09: 16
    In the classic version, “Sarmat” can carry 10-15 blocks, each with a power of 750.


    Total capacity for 8 megatons ...
    Very decent ...

    1 kiloton (ct) TNT = 4,184 · 1012 J;
    1 megaton (MT) TNT = 4,184 · 1015 J;
    1 gigatonne (Gt) TNT = 4,184 · 1018 J.
    These units are used to estimate the energy released during nuclear explosions, explosions of chemical explosive devices, falls of asteroids and comets, explosions of volcanoes.

    Thus, according to various estimates, the energy of the explosion of the Malysh nuclear bomb over Hiroshima on August 6, 1945 is from 13 to 18 kt TNT, which corresponds to a complete conversion of approximately 0,7 g of mass into energy (E = mc² = 0,0007 · (3 · 108) 2).
  13. 0
    24 October 2016 09: 36
    I personally counted three steps fool or the photo does not match the text
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 10: 46
      Most likely the text about two steps is erroneous, well, the author wrote in a hurry. And about war blocks, it’s more correct: 750 ct - 10 blocks, 450 ct - 15 blocks.
  14. +1
    24 October 2016 09: 45
    I saw a lot of differences, all stages, the warhead section smile The photo is very informative. Like this ..
    1. +3
      24 October 2016 12: 08
      On your photo is an ICBM made in Ukraine laughing
  15. 0
    24 October 2016 09: 46
    It seems I read on the site that the tests were supposed to be in September - October in the Hawaiian Islands. Was it interesting or not?
    1. +3
      24 October 2016 09: 58
      So that Americans can effectively remove the trajectory parameters? Are we not enough of our landfills?
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 10: 55
        Yes Americans and so will remove the parameters. We have a training ground in Kamchatka, and back in Soviet times, the Americans learned about launches before the bosses of the training ground itself and drove their special ships. I advise you to read the book "We bombed Berlin and frightened New York" by Colonel Kasatkin - he writes very interesting and informative about the events of those years.
        1. +2
          24 October 2016 11: 19
          There is a range of Strategic Missile Forces Sary-Shagan in Kazakhstan. It is usually tested on new developments and new equipment.
    2. 0
      24 October 2016 10: 13
      Are you out of your mind? it's a war! In Russia, this somehow happens on its territory, since it’s great. And put a ban on such a site, carry such nonsense.
  16. +1
    24 October 2016 09: 51
    She is a good beauty, we need more of them and more quickly on alert ... to the delight of the "partners" !!!
  17. +2
    24 October 2016 09: 52
    This rocket is the nightmare of Matrasia. They have no antidotes to her. Can fly through the South Pole!
    Moreover, 750 ktn is the optimal warhead power. It doesn't make much sense to increase, the efficiency in terms of power is falling. But 15 of these with a spread of 1000 km or more, with individual guidance - guaranteed to cover the WHOLE INDUSTRIAL AREA! Cold shower for "hot heads" of "partners".
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 10: 28
      The primary targets for warheads are military.
      1. +1
        24 October 2016 11: 02
        Did they tell you in our general staff? It turns out that the enemies will destroy our cities, and we are military targets? Moreover, what is the point of bombing military bases if the planes have already taken off from them, the fleet has left and the rockets have already started?
        1. +3
          24 October 2016 12: 21
          Cities are included in military targets - they host a mobresource.

          For example, in the USA there are only 300 cities with a population of 100 thousand or more inhabitants. They are targeted by about 50 Sarmats with warheads ranging from 25 Mt to 450 Kt.

          Strategic Rocket Forces is a backup system for heat supply and lighting in North America, Europe, Japan, South Korea and Australia am
        2. 0
          24 October 2016 15: 08
          Russia doesn’t have enough warheads to let the cities go - past the cities, there are more than 1000 NATO bases, as well as thousands of military production facilities, if military production is not destroyed, you can consider the war lost.
          1. 0
            24 October 2016 17: 15
            what will these 1000 bases be able to do when the metropolis is destroyed? for a start they will get it, then the butting with the natives will begin for the right to keep the lump in that area. war of all, against all.
          2. +1
            24 October 2016 17: 24
            Russia has 2500 strategic nuclear warheads. Plus the n-th number of operational tactics on the "Caliber" and "Iskander".

            Nobody leaves hurt.
            1. 0
              24 October 2016 18: 43
              In general, we consider only deployed - and there are 1700 of them - they can only destroy half of the enemy’s infrastructure, at the moment, the cat has cried a lot of calibers and Iskander - we buy several dozen missiles each year.
          3. +1
            24 October 2016 18: 11
            They have dozens of key bases with serious forces, so there will definitely be enough missiles.
  18. +1
    24 October 2016 10: 00
    A gift from Russia to those who grin their teeth at Russia. hi
  19. +1
    24 October 2016 10: 02
    Good news! Adversaries, tremble! hi
  20. 0
    24 October 2016 10: 25
    Each line reads the fear of potential "friends" ... The rocket must destroy everything so expensive that was accumulated by Western civilization.
  21. +1
    24 October 2016 10: 30
    A Sarmatian-related Scythian nomadic tribe ... So this nomad with such an abandoned load will be worse than the Tatar-Mongol horde ..
  22. +2
    24 October 2016 10: 41
    Quote: svp67
    Not special, but judging by the image, the rocket launches "on the mortar". And I wonder what else it can tell the specialists? After all, even its size cannot be recognized by it ...

    Much, including and sizes.

    Quote: JD1979
    Yes, like all mine-based missiles and TPK use mortar launch?

    UR-100N UTTH missile used gas-dynamic launch

    Quote: dmi.pris
    I want to add. Why put warheads in non-nuclear equipment on an expensive rocket? There are other ways for point strikes ..

    Non-nuclear BO is one of the options. The main BO is of course nuclear

    Quote: demiurg
    And that, 15 warheads on 750ct. What is it like?

    It's a blooper

    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    I personally counted three steps fool or the photo does not match the text

    three is

    Quote: Streich
    It seems I read on the site that the tests were supposed to be in September - October in the Hawaiian Islands. Was it interesting or not?

    In September-October there should have been BI (throw tests). There were none. And it is unlikely that they will be this year. The next flight test is not planned. If so, then in 2018. So there is no question of any Hawaiian islands this year.

    Quote: masiya
    She is a good beauty, we need more of them and more quickly on alert ... to the delight of the "partners" !!!

    Faster than that, and the total will be less than half a hundred

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    But 15 of these with a spread of 1000 km or more

    Trim sturgeon. And by the number of BB and scatter.
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 11: 23
      It's a blooper

      Taki Wiki writes that it’s not a mistake.
      three is

      And the wiki writes two.

      Believe wiki or you?

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D1%80%
      D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82_(%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5%D1%82
      %D0%B0)#.D0.A3.D1.81.D1.82.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B9.D1.8
      1.D1.82.D0.B2.D0.BE_.D0.B8_.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.
      82.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.BE-.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.85.D0.BD.D0.
      B8.D1.87.D0.B5.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B5_.D1.85.D0.
      B0.D1.80.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.82.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.B8.D1.8
      1.D1.82.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B8
      1. +2
        24 October 2016 11: 49
        Quote: Wedmak
        0
        Wedmak Today, 11:23 ↑
        It's a blooper

        Taki Wiki writes that it’s not a mistake.
        three is

        And the wiki writes two.

        Believe wiki or you?

        Believe the Old 26. Unlike a wiki, he knows what he writes.
      2. 0
        24 October 2016 12: 12
        Quote: Wedmak
        And the wiki writes two.

        Believe wiki or you?

        ... eh hee ...
        Wiki - underachieving ... :)))))))))))

        That's right - http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-435.html
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 12: 33
          Thanks. Although some of these sources are not credible. Like the wiki though.
    2. 0
      24 October 2016 11: 31
      Volodya! Good day!
      Quote: Old26
      Trim sturgeon. And by the number of BB and scatter.

      Cut how? Up to the size of a sterlet? Well, no kidding, it is very similar to "Sineva."
  23. +1
    24 October 2016 11: 50
    Actually, the thing at the bottom, called the "tail compartment" for installation on the launch pad, fires back after the start.
    In TO, the range is indicated very accurately on the complex, literally - intercontinental. And in km, according to the test results, it is given by Order.
    15 BB, a bit too much, the time of delivery and construction ...
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 11: 59
      the thing below is called the "tail compartment"

      That thing and throws the rocket out of the mine, and then shoots for uselessness. And instead of a launch pad there is a mine.
    2. +1
      24 October 2016 12: 24
      Quote: Persistence
      15 BB, a bit too much, the time of delivery and construction ...

      ... and if you "throw a bunch of grapes" ?! ;)))))))))))
      1. 0
        24 October 2016 12: 49
        and if you "throw a bunch of grapes" ?! ;)))))))))))

        It is doubtful. In space, changing the trajectory requires a large amount of fuel, you can’t hang so much on a warhead. Maneuvering is possible only in the atmosphere, and this at hyper speeds of no more than 20 seconds. You will not fly far.
        1. 0
          24 October 2016 13: 23
          Quote: Wedmak
          It is doubtful. In space, changing the trajectory requires a large amount of fuel, you can’t hang so much on a warhead.

          It all depends on the "quantity and quality"

          "Change trajectory in space" - if necessary! And she happens.
          There is even a term - "the flight path of modern BB does not depend on the final parameters of the deployment unit (or the last stage).
          Those. BB can have individual control and control. The task of the carrier is to bring the "filling" into the dilution funnel.
          1. 0
            24 October 2016 13: 49
            The task of the carrier is to bring the "filling" into the dilution funnel.

            So that’s exactly what.
            the flight path of modern warheads does not depend on the final parameters of the dilution unit (or the last stage)

            What is meant by this? What BB can change the orbit by 90 degrees? Unlikely. The breeding unit brought the products to the breeding course, scattered them along the trajectories, self-destructed, adding false targets - they fly the whole crowd. Here BB and can slightly adjust their course, because in any case, it is impossible to accurately deduce them. So?
            1. 0
              24 October 2016 16: 11
              Quote: Wedmak
              Here BB and can slightly adjust their course, because in any case, it is impossible to accurately derive them. So?

              "BB can change its orbit 90 degrees" - of course NOT!
              "slightly adjust your course" - and not only ... for example: "maneuver" (to complicate the interception task), "homing" (and not only for stationary targets).
              They wrote in more detail here, and in the comments Ascetic cited more recent data -
              Reflections on the discussion of the "4202 project" in foreign media ...
              https://topwar.ru/80035-razmyshleniya-na-temu-obs
              uzhdeniya-proekta-4202-v-zarubezhnyh-smi.html

              “Fast global strike” performed by Russia
              https://topwar.ru/73324-bystryy-globalnyy-udar-v-
              ispolnenii-rossii.html

              How will Russia respond to the deployment of the American missile defense system in Europe
              https://topwar.ru/62933-chem-otvetit-rossiya-na-r
              azvertyvanie-amerikanskoy-sistemy-pro-v-evrope.ht
              ml

              Intercontinental RS-26 capable of performing the tasks of medium-range missiles
              https://topwar.ru/55788-mezhkontinentalnaya-rs-26
              -sposobna-vypolnyat-zadachi-raket-sredney-dalnost
              i.html
  24. 0
    24 October 2016 12: 12
    The rocket had to spread across the screen
  25. +1
    24 October 2016 12: 19
    Quote from rudolf
    As for the "mortar" launch, I just asked, where did you get this from looking at the drawing? Maybe yes, maybe not. This is at least not obvious to me. Miass did not deal with Voevoda, but his entire line of R-29s with a "wet" start. On the other hand, they proposed the RMU3 project with "dry". I argue and try to analyze, and not prove the non-obvious.

    The "Sarmat" really has a mortar start, although it is, of course, absolutely impossible to tell from the drawing. And by the way, Rudolph! You have raised a very interesting question.
    Miass had never done PADs before. The co-executor, Chelomeevites, had no experience in this either. They all had a gas-dynamic start. That is, on engines. And even the maximum starting weight of the product was less than 100 tons.

    Quote: Wedmak
    Very similar in appearance - this time. The second - to raise a two-stage rocket in 120 tons on their engines is expensive in fuel. Third, the governor’s mines are not designed for such starts. There are no gas vents and thermal protection at least. Building them is very expensive.

    Well, expensive or not, it's hard to say. The 8K67 complex with the R-36 rocket had a launch weight of about 180 tons and a gas-dynamic launch was used. As for the silos - I agree. And the modernization of mines precisely in the positional areas of the Yasnensky and Uzhur divisions indirectly suggests that they were chosen precisely because of the minimal volumes of modernization.

    Quote: Wedmak
    Taki Wiki writes that it’s not a mistake.

    If Vicky writes that Voevoda is capable of carrying 24 warheads, and Sarmat 10-15, will you believe everything? I still prefer to believe the treaties, and not what the "talking heads" or "Wikis" broadcast. Although I must admit that Wikipedia "is a fairly mobile resource and there is much in it, especially in non-Russian Wikipedia.

    Quote: Wedmak
    And wiki writes two

    Wrote that 2? Well, continue to believe that 2. Even if you are too lazy to see the division into steps along the obturator rings
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 12: 40
      Well, maybe I'm wrong about something. Data is not first hand. Therefore, where I do not believe, I ask questions. Thanks for the info anyway.
      Even if you are too lazy to see the division into steps along the obturator rings

      Well ... rings are rings, but the third step may not be a step at all. And for example, it is packed with means of overcoming missile defense + a small engine.
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      1. +1
        24 October 2016 13: 13
        Quote from rudolf
        But they haven’t done such a liquid yet, which is why it’s interesting.

        ... here we must take into account one thing - according to "Sarmat" there is cooperation on the competences of all "involved", this time. And secondly, they also tried to invite all the necessary "Ukrainian comrades" ...
        Therefore, not everything is so "sour".
    3. 0
      24 October 2016 13: 04
      Quote: Old26
      "Voevoda" is capable of carrying 24 warheads, and "Sarmat" 10-15 - will you believe everything? I still prefer to believe contracts,


      Are the restrictions on quantity / power in the new strategic offensive arms remaining?
      And recently, the State Duma of the Russian Federation raised the issue of "observance of the START Treaty" and the need for it ...
  26. 0
    24 October 2016 12: 22
    To produce gift sets of fountain pens in the form of RS-28 "Sarmat". Demand will be better than Parkers. Not for long, but it will be.
  27. 0
    24 October 2016 12: 42
    here she is in all its glory, is it really great, great, great-granddaughter of "Satan-grandmother"
  28. +1
    24 October 2016 12: 53
    Quote: Amurets
    Volodya! Good day!
    Quote: Old26
    Trim sturgeon. And by the number of BB and scatter.

    Cut how? Up to the size of a sterlet? Well, no kidding, it is very similar to "Sineva."

    By the number of blocks and by breeding area.
    But it really resembles the products of the Makeyev State Center.

    Quote: Persistence
    Actually, the thing at the bottom, called the "tail compartment" for installation on the launch pad, fires back after the start.

    In fact, this thing below is called PAD - a powder pressure accumulator. It really shoots back, but is not intended to be mounted on a launch pad. The product is located in the TPK, which is installed in the mine
  29. 0
    24 October 2016 13: 04
    Quote: Wedmak
    Well ... rings are rings, but the third step may not be a step at all. And for example, it is packed with means of overcoming missile defense + a small engine.

    Yes, in principle, the third stage can be combined with the breeding stage, but it still exists. The means of overcoming the missile defense system are actually located at the very stage of breeding. So it will not be possible to "fill" with ABM weapons. The number of decoys depends on the number of seats in the breeding stage. For example, "Voevoda" has a two-tiered SR. Each tier has seven seats. But since under the contracts for ICBMs we do not have the right to have more than 10 BB on ICBMs, the remaining 4 seats were allocated for false purposes. So here, on "Sarmat". There is a certain amount of KSP missile defense systems, but only at the stage of disengagement, and not somewhere "behind" the warheads
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 13: 16
      There is a certain amount of KSP missile defense systems, but only at the stage of disengagement, and not somewhere "behind" the warheads

      Clear. For some reason, I thought that part of the KSP missile defense system might be located in the 3 stage, especially when there are many warheads there. It is difficult to estimate the volume of the breeding stage, and approximate schemes give insight into the insides.
    2. 0
      24 October 2016 14: 36
      GRC named after Makeev has always been famous for unconventional solutions. And why there can be no new layout solutions, and we are wondering what and how.
    3. +2
      25 October 2016 00: 02
      Quote: Old26
      ... For example, "Voevoda" has a two-tiered SR. There are seven seats on each tier. But since under the contracts for ICBMs we do not have the right to have more than 10 BB on ICBMs, the remaining 4 seats were allocated for false purposes.


      Dear Old 26, well, if we, quite by accident :))) violate the contract and install at least 14 BB on just one rocket? Who will test us? What control methods do we have behind them and do they have behind us? Are American inspectors examining every rocket and recounting all BBs?
  30. 0
    24 October 2016 13: 07
    Quote from rudolf
    Old 26, there is still some experience with the use of PADs in Miass, remember the R-39 with Bark. But they haven’t done such a liquid yet, which is why it is interesting.

    Well, on the P-39 and on the Bark, the launch facilities were in the bow of the SLBM, at least on the P-39. It was precisely in the PAD design scheme "at the very bottom" that the Makeyevites did not seem to have
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 13: 12
      We look "at the very bottom": o)))
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  31. 0
    24 October 2016 13: 14
    Quote: Wedmak
    And instead of a launch pad there is a mine


    : o))))) Mine instead of a launch pad? Stormy applause! Standing up
    1. 0
      25 October 2016 00: 22
      Quote: Persistence
      Quote: Wedmak
      And instead of a launch pad there is a mine


      : o))))) Mine instead of a launch pad? Stormy applause! Standing up

      Or maybe lying? From laughter.
  32. 0
    24 October 2016 13: 14
    Quote: Rus2012
    Are the restrictions on quantity / power in the new strategic offensive arms remaining?
    And recently, the State Duma of the Russian Federation raised the issue of "compliance with the START Treaty" and the need for it ..

    The main provisions of the treaties are preserved and implemented even if the treaty is not ratified. And the number of BB on ICBMs and on SLBMs was introduced by the SALT-2 treaty. On ICBMs this number is 10, on SLBMs 14. Although under the START-3 treaty, the number that is on a specific missile is taken into account, and not the maximum number with which it was tested. And it turns out that, for example, on one "Sarmat" there may be 3 BB, and on the other 10. But no more than the limiting values

    And about the Duma. There are many things they can discuss. Sometimes without thinking, is it profitable for Russia or not
  33. +2
    24 October 2016 15: 45
    Quote from rudolf
    In P-39, both were used. In the nasal part of the ARSS, in the tail PAD.

    Thanks for the info. It's just that a lot has been written about ARSS, incl. and in books about GRC, but unfortunately there is no PAD

    Quote: Amurets
    GRC named after Makeev has always been famous for unconventional solutions. And why there can be no new layout solutions, and we are wondering what and how.

    Nikolay! Surely there are such line-up solutions that Voyevoda did not have. It is possible that according to the classic Makeyev's scheme, the engines of the next stage are drowned in the tanks of the previous one. It is possible that the warheads have a "reverse" arrangement, that is, back and forth, which means that the breeding scheme is not pushing, but pulling. It is possible that the 3rd stage can be combined into a single whole with the breeding stage ... Much can be. So far, even on the site of the SRC there is nothing besides this picture.
    So we will see

    Quote: Rus2012
    Those. BB can have an individual control and remote control.

    It's hard to say anything now. Yes, such a scheme, without the SR ("autoubs"), would seem to be implemented at the MIT "Rubezh". What's on "Sarmat" - KhZ

    Quote: Wedmak
    At that time, there weren’t much satellites.

    We can say that during the "Tempest" there were no satellites at all. The Tempest lost the race to the Royal Seven
    1. 0
      25 October 2016 00: 32
      Quote: Old26
      It is possible that the 3rd level can be combined into a single whole with the breeding stage ... Much can be. So far, even on the GRC website, there is nothing other than this drawing.
      So we will see

      So I about the same and do not exclude the astro correction system. I will give two links, but you’ll probably know them. This is about the Makeyev Design Bureau missiles.
      http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-441.html
      http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/ot-podvodnog
      o-starta-k-podlednomu06-06-2013-14-00-00/
  34. 0
    24 October 2016 16: 00
    Beauty, but in general Makeevtsy, not only work on the mine version, but also on the nuclear submarines.
  35. 0
    24 October 2016 18: 19
    Sarmat, Yars and Rubezh will become the best "friends" of the 3,14ndos for the next couple of decades.
  36. 0
    24 October 2016 19: 10
    Quote: bald
    Beauty, but generally Makeevtsy not only work on silos, but also with nuclear submarines.

    "SARMAT" on the nuclear submarine ??? Yes, the R-39 on boats of the 941 project will be seeds, compared to the SARMAT on the boat. We'll have to create a super-monster boat that can be based in no one knows where. "Typhoon" compared to such a boat will be a fragile boat
  37. 0
    24 October 2016 20: 42
    In the classic version, “Sarmat” can carry 10-15 blocks, each with a power of 750.

    And where did such nonsense in the article come from? The Sarmat missile is TWICE (!) Lighter than the Voevoda, but carries the same number of warheads. Miracles do not happen, the laws of physics have not changed, the article looks like "urapatriotic nonsense."
  38. 0
    24 October 2016 21: 07
    Quote: Former battalion commander
    And where did such nonsense in the article come from? The Sarmat missile is TWICE (!) Lighter than the Voevoda, but carries the same number of warheads. Miracles do not happen, the laws of physics have not changed, the article looks like "urapatriotic nonsense."

    Let's just say that "Sarmat" is not twice as light as "Voevoda". I think 30 percent is easier.
    The number of BB can be 10 (15 is nonsense). True, their power will not be 750 kt, but a kiloton that way 300-400 maximum.
  39. 0
    24 October 2016 21: 29
    Quote: Vadim237
    The primary targets for warheads are military.

    Now there is no such division, military and civil. In addition, the doctrine of using the Strategic Missile Forces has always been based on a retaliatory or retaliatory counter strike. What does it mean. Only that the silos of the American missiles will already be empty. What's left? Large cities, industrial centers, and of course military bases: naval, aviation, and land. But there are not so many of them. No one will strike at any third-rate air base, if they have it in the reserve of which queue. And for the destruction of the main ones, about half a thousand BG will be enough. In Europe, of course, there are more goals, but IMHO strategic ones will be enough for the states to cease to be controlled structures. Everything else, everything tactical - only for "polishing"
    1. 0
      25 October 2016 16: 26
      Note also that part of the warhead will not tear and will be destroyed / put off course / incapacitated on approach. Hence the increase in quantity.
    2. 0
      25 October 2016 23: 17
      Unlike us, the United States has one more, no less dangerous than the nuclear triad, which restrains the most powerful Navy — we have no effective means of counteracting it.
  40. 0
    25 October 2016 00: 14
    Quote: Seaman77
    Dear Old 26, well, if we, quite by accident :))) violate the contract and install at least 14 BB on just one rocket? Who will test us? What control methods do we have behind them and do they have behind us? Are American inspectors examining every rocket and recounting all BBs?

    According to the new inspection rules, the inspection site and specific missiles (planes) are not announced in advance, but in a short period of time. I'm afraid to lie, but it seems in a couple of hours. And there is a guarantee that inspectors will not ask to show that rocket, where there are 14 goals? Why hemorrhagic ....
    Well, let's set the number of BBs on one, two or three missiles more than expected. Winning 12 goals, and losing if revealed. Moreover, unlike our SLBMs, they have a reserve of warheads, and not 4 pieces, unfortunately ...