Poroshenko told the Ukrainian propaganda media if he shouted at Vladimir Putin in Berlin

The President of Ukraine on the eve gave an interview to Ukrainian television channels, describing what kind of “hero” was during the negotiations of the “Norman Four” in Berlin. According to Poroshenko, he "asked Putin to stop shooting in the Donbas." Poroshenko’s statement, who was asked if he raised his voice on Putin, leads UNIAN:

I never raise my voice during negotiations, but please stop shooting (was). Indeed, I turned to Putin with just such a request.

Do Poroshenko also asked if he sees an alternative to the Minsk agreements? To this, the Ukrainian president replied that if someone wants to see an alternative to “Minsk,” this means that either such a person calls for a military solution to the conflict in the Donbas, or offers to immediately abandon part of the territory of Donbas.

From Poroshenko's interview:

Anyone who proposes to cancel the "Minsk" - he has to offer an alternative. There are two alternatives: a military solution to the conflict and an open attack on the Russian Federation. I ask you to compare military budgets and opportunities, please take responsibility for future victims. If we are talking about responsibility, this means one thing: those political forces that are against Minsk are set to abandon these territories, build a border there and profess the logic of the territory in exchange for peace. I want to disappoint that these political forces and their supporters, who are against Minsk, will receive neither peace nor territories. Therefore, these statements are completely irresponsible.

In one of the parts of the interview, Poroshenko was asked when the EU would introduce a visa-free regime with Ukraine? According to Poroshenko, this may happen on November 24 during the Ukraine-European Union summit. The Ukrainian president said that "the necessary documents are being prepared now." And the Dutch know about it? ..

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[VSZMK]

"Now the preparation of the necessary documents is in progress"

They have been preparing documents for two years, everything is useless.

[cniza]

The Ukraine project went in a circle, like water in a toilet.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: cniza

The Ukraine project went in a circle, like water in a toilet.

What do you do? Urkain does not fit at the moment. In Europe and without them, their hemorrhoids are enough

[Vita vko]

Has anyone wondered why all the important political negotiations are held behind closed doors and the media are not allowed there?

But everything is simple, there are real facts and thoughts of politicians, but there is information for cattle or voters.

As the saying goes "I congratulate you ball - you are a dunce!"

[Finches]

Once, one of the teachers of the current Ukrainian junta said:"A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true."

And in general, you look at Petsu, his fakes and you understand that all this, including us, passed when: "Little mediocrities, morbidly ambitious politicians, swearing by the national idea, served the foreigners, obeyed their orders unquestioningly, diligently organized national-wide expressions of friendship to "the great Herm ... (USA) and tried to arrange their own" quisling given to power by the invaders, and not having come to power by law, lives in a constant feeling of uncertainty about the future "

[The black]

Once, one of the teachers of the current Ukrainian junta said: "A lie, repeated a thousand times, becomes the truth."

Yes, the entire modern interpretation of the history of Ukraine is a lie. Independence in Ukraine first started small: on the money they portrayed a traitor - Hetman Mazepa. Once such a hero was portrayed and Russia was silent, then you can move on. Then in Ukraine under Kuchma there was a bad harvest and Russia sold her grain at a reduced price (By the way, this gesture of ours was already forgotten in Ukraine) What did Kuchma thank? I published a book "Ukraine is not Russia" And we all repeated: Ukrainians are brothers! Then there was the first Maidan and "Kuchma Get" Do you remember how Kuchma begged Putin to meet him at the Borispol airport? It's good that Russia did not intervene! Then there were elections Yushchenko-Yanukovych, but the West did not approve Yanukovych and there were repeated !!!! presidential elections. Then there was the Yanukovych-Tymoshenko election. In the west of Ukraine, Yulia won, in the east - Yanukovych. It would seem that they calmed down, but Yanukovych grabbed the money and used it by organizing the Maidan. Then you all know

[Mahmut]

At the talks, Poroshenko shouted loudly at Putin.
And he beat his palm on the carpet.

[DMB_95]

Quote: Mahmut

At the talks, Poroshenko shouted loudly at Putin.
And he beat his palm on the carpet.

And then on the rug in front of the closed door.

[bagram108]

[quote = DMB_95] [quote = Mahmut] At the talks, Poroshenko shouted loudly at Putin.
And he beat his palm on the carpet. [/ Quote]
On which carpet? On the tatami? This seems to be true.

[Milana]

Thanks for the great comment, smiled

[Orionvit]

All right except

but Yanukovych seized upon money and used it by organizing a Maidan

Yes, Yanukovych got his bearings, but compared to Yulia and the others, he is just a boy. And compared with many of the then politicians, he is far from the top ten. Maidan would be on any, under one pretext or another.

[Lord_Bran]

Ink disappears - they write, and the text disappears. I have to repeat again.

[Ulan]

He said this in the 15th year, now in the 16th, in July, then in October, now in November.

[Smog]

when will the EU introduce a visa-free regime with Ukraine?

According to Poroshenko, this can happen on November 24

Do the Dutch know about this? ..

And Klimkin went to warn the Dutch. On the bike.

[Alexander 3]

But the EU generally knows that there will be a visa-free regime with Ukraine? They began to expel dishwashers and cleaners? After all, there is already an excess of them.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alexander 3

But the EU generally knows that there will be a visa-free regime with Ukraine? They began to expel dishwashers and cleaners? After all, there is already an excess of them.

21 cars are waiting in lines to checkpoints on the border of Ukraine with Poland as of 00:23 on October 1320

. (Read details on UNIAN)
And if there is a visa-free regime where will the country go to / to ???

[Iskander Sh]

The "visa-free" that they want to give to Ukarina is not at all the "visa-free" that Ukrainians think about. In short, with a "visa-free" visa, although a visa is not needed, a Ukrainian at the European customs office will need to have a return ticket, a certain amount of money in his wallet and a hotel room. Otherwise, by the nearest plane to their native land.

[weksha50]

Quote: Iskander Sh

The "visa-free" that they want to give to Ukarina is not at all the "visa-free" that Ukrainians think about.

They forgot to add that the Schengen visa does not shine for them ... And for some reason Petsya is silent about it ... He is, probably, embarrassed that there will be "visa-free" from the back door, and not to every stable ...

[BARKAS]

Quote: Alexander 3

But does the EU generally know that there will be a visa-free regime with Ukraine?

And why should they know it will not depend on them since they will be ordered only Ukrainians themselves are doing everything to delay this process.

[Karaul73]

Turkey, how many sits in the reception of the European Union? It will be the same with Ukraine. In Europe, you need either rich tourists or service staff, and not equal partners.

[Banishing liberoids]

Petka the hero - with his screams, groans "give me money", screaming, singing, stinking socks, crying, laughing (underline the necessary) drove Merkel into the toilet, and Hollande under the table !! And only Putin alone, calmly wrote something in a notebook Then, as always, the guard brought Paroshenko out of the hall

[victorsh]

According to Poroshenko, he "asked Putin to stop shooting in the Donbass."
Cool !!! That is, VVP comes to Donbass as a couple of benderlogs on a safari, shoots and leaves for the Kremlin. And pan-and-leg cann’t understand where this shooter went and beat on the squares.

[siberalt]

Glova shit? And to whom the shit is not written.

[krops777]

Glova Sru

And Turchinov seems to be holding back a laugh.

[GeorgeSev85]

" screamed is he in Berlin on V. Putin "
That's all ....

[Banishing liberoids]

If Paroshenko risked shouting at Putin, then the pet would give the interview while sitting in a wheelchair.

[rotmistr60]

what "hero" was during the negotiations of the "Norman Four" in Berlin

It looked like a beaten dog. And in Berlin they were not gathering for Minsk-2 discussion. This was a pretext for meeting with GDP, which Merkel and Oland needed, with which our president was not eager to meet and discuss something.
Svidomo probably very proud of the coolness Poroshenko, but thinking people including and in Ukraine, conclusions were drawn and not in his favor.

[Orionvit]

but thinking people including and in Ukraine, conclusions were drawn and not in his favor.

What conclusions are there, fear God. Just neighing from the heart. And this despite the fact that Ukraine is far from laughing.

[Damir]

delirium tremens .... hot, hot all white !!!!!!!!

[krops777]

a resident of Ukraine on the eve gave an interview to Ukrainian television channels, talking about what kind of "hero" was during the negotiations of the "Norman Four" in Berlin

Yeah, and put out the door when we got down to business.

[sgr291158]

Yes, Petka is cool, however.

[just exp]

yes Petka, she is strong to know, since she barks at an elephant.

[Vasyan1971]

"There are two alternatives: a military solution to the conflict and an open attack on the Russian Federation. I ask you to compare military budgets and capabilities, I ask you to take responsibility for future victims."
Here are those and times! But what about the most powerful Euroarmy, a steel wall standing in the way of the Buryat armored cavalry? But how are the divisions of the Russian Airborne Forces and Special Forces ground in fierce battles? Where did it all go? Waste Gunpowder?

[Altona]

In translation, it sounds that he asked not to send him such terrible squirrels. At least so often.

[weksha50]

[quote = Altona] "Obama: The Russian Army is the second after our"...

And the German Ministry of Defense stated that soon the German army will be in its power in the world - after the armies of the USA and China ...
So not only Gunpowder is out of order with his head ...

[sgazeev]

Quote: VSZMK

"Now the preparation of the necessary documents is in progress"

They have been preparing documents for two years, everything is useless.

They are looking for Ukrainian alphabet.

[Filing]

I'm more interested in how the GDP was forced to come to this gathering.
It was immediately known about the futility of the meeting.
Gunpowder cannot pass laws in the Donbass, but what to talk about further ...

[Moor]

And here is Gunpowder and the laws of the Donbass. First of all - ELECTIONS. Elections in Novorossiya are now in first place. If international representatives in these elections declare that there have been no violations, Gunpowder will be OBLIGED to recognize their results, and, consequently, the newly elected government in Donbass. It turns out that these are no longer "temporarily occupied" territories, in which there are only drug addicts, lumpen and Buryat armored cavalry divisions of the Russian Federation, but quite legitimate republics with a legally elected government. Of course, Kiev is full of those who will spit on the election results and will call for a military solution. And in this case-voiced by Poroshenko-"please take responsibility for future victims". In other words, I did what I could and I wash my hands, sort it out yourself.

[Orionvit]

If international representatives in these elections declare no violations

Is this a new anecdote? All these representatives are initially charged with "violations", and whether they will be or not, these representatives are not interested. I wouldn't be surprised if the list of "violations" has already been drawn up.

[Moor]

You are mistaken, because preliminary voting or as it is now fashionable to say the primaries have already been. It is strange that you missed this information. They passed in the presence of foreign observers and received only positive reviews. And almost immediately - the murder of Motorola and the statement of Gunpowder that security is impossible and his request to introduce a police mission. But here it was broken off in Berlin

[Dimachrus]

please take responsibility for future victims
This is a twist however! Just what I didn’t understand - whom does he ask to take responsibility for future victims?

[Moor]

Those who walk around Kiev with torches and shout "Moskilyak on knives". It looks like Gunpowder was presented with a fact: Europe will not support him in case of hostilities. This tirade is addressed primarily to the newly minted parties like the "National Corps". The subtext is as follows: you want to fight - for God's sake, but without me. It seems that Petyunya has fulfilled his beloved's enrichment program and is going to blame after his former prime minister.

[cap]

Quote: Moor

The following subtext: you want to fight - for God's sake, but without me. It seems that Petyun’s program to enrich himself beloved is going to be felled after his former prime minister

I completely agree with your point of view.
Poroshenko admitted his inability to confront the destructive forces in the Rada.
All that remains is to collect things and move to Lipetsk, the director of Roshen.
Sugar for the factory will have to buy in Brazil.

[Orionvit]

The subtext is: you want to fight - for God's sake, but without me

He has already stated that the Ukrainian army is voluntary, and he is not responsible for its actions. Moreover, everyone knew perfectly well before that the Armed Forces of Ukraine command from Washington.

[33 Watcher]

He asked me not to shoot, that’s okay ... Tell me, what did he answer you? Or did you ask Petya when you went out to the tulet?

[CONTROL]

Type 2 diabetes mellitus, aggravated by "abuse", again of the chronic type ...
... How to negotiate with such?! ...

[Moor]

Anyone who proposes the abolition of Minsk should offer an alternative. There are two alternatives: a military solution to the conflict and an open attack on the Russian Federation. I ask you to compare military budgets and capabilities, please take responsibility for future victims. Foolishness, and here is the broadcast of the results of the meeting in Berlin: either Minsk or the war, with Poroshenko declaring in almost direct text that in the event of a war he will take away all responsibility (read - he leaves the post of president)

[igor.borov775]

Quote: cniza

The Ukraine project went in a circle, like water in a toilet.
Reply Quote Complaint More ... cniza

Hello!! What a fright. All this is verbal husk. The reality is much more serious than what they write here. For two years they waited for the power in Ukraine to slowly return to good-neighborly relations. Everything began to collapse, the creation of a new party where nationalism became the highlight of the program .. All today's leaders got a black mark. And separately it is necessary to say about the financing of this party. The oligarchs begin to intensively finance this gathering. For Clinton, probably the most long-awaited gift .. But for us I don’t know. We don’t expect any good. And our media, as always, got carried away with insignificant details. I suspect our all sorts of political scientists carry what does not work in Ukraine. Actually, we were late there. Now the most reactionary forces are beginning to engage. About a year later, everyone will already see a predatory grin of these forces .. And the authorities in Ukraine are still a cover for the growth of these new forces.

[Iskander Sh]

Quote: igor.borov775

For two years they waited for the power in Ukraine to slowly return to good-neighborly relations.

What are two years? Two years as a war in the Donbass and Crimea in Russia. No one expected anything.

[3vs]

Petya lives in his own world.
Well, probably living without honor and conscience ...

[Grach710]

Notice this evasion compares not the army - that is, the number of tanks, planes, soldiers, etc., but military budgets.

[Observer2014]

Colleagues! Leave Parashenko alone !!! Whom did they (Ukrainians) still have to choose. From that code of proposals ??? Remember the other candidates for the landing of the chief? There is a pontopicum with Vlad! So sho nehai ucei better fool. Pardon rules.

[avg-mgn]

I personally wonder with what fright he was asked this question? Looks like somewhere drunk before that babbled that Putin put in a corner ..., so they were waiting for confirmation.

[serezhasoldatow]

DB according to Lavrov. It's sickening to read about him already.

[morpogr]

It would be better to tell how he carried out the orders of the owners. Trained dog. They say they will bark, bark, sit and not speak, they will sit quieter than water below the grass. And they will order to serve, they will walk on their hind legs and lick their hands, and it does not matter to whom.

[koshmarik]

Most likely, the sensible, carefully thought-out Roadmap, on which the Foreign Ministers are currently working, can move the Donetsk problem off the ground. The main thing in it is to clearly formulate the task, indicate the timeline for its completion, determine the effective sanctions for its non-fulfillment, and in the event of obvious sabotage, on any side, transfer the solution to the problem to the UN or a specially created international commission with broad powers, which is required to solve specific problems in strictly defined deadlines.

[iouris]

Quote: cniza

The Ukraine project went in a circle, like water in a toilet.

You cannot enter the same water twice. The situation may soon change qualitatively. The question is which way.

[erik cartman]

In negotiations on visa-free travel, the first condition Europe should put is the export of all migrants to Ukraine, then we’ll see what Peter Alekseevich will sing. He shouted at Putin - even imagining it is very difficult. GDP would quietly in or in ear sent him in response to h.y. :)

[Lelek]

(In one part of the interview, Poroshenko was asked when the EU will introduce a visa-free regime with Ukraine? According to Poroshenko, this could happen on November 24 during the Ukraine-EU summit. The Ukrainian president said that “now the necessary documents are being prepared.” And the Dutch said know? ..)

The "visa-free" flow has long been open to the east, and every day it is becoming more and more abundant

But in the western direction for "visa-free" conditions have been set that Kiev cannot fulfill, so - "from the herring ears."


Rolled out lips.

[weksha50]

"Poroshenko told the Ukrainian propaganda media if he shouted at V. Putin in Berlin"...

I would like to see, hear HOW he would yell at Putin ...
And about declarations of war or refusal of Donbass ... Petya, you see for yourself - the second option is preferable for everyone, and it will not hurt so much ... Refuse, dear ...

[Mwg]

There is another alternative to the Minsk agreements: the entire Ukrainian government will resign, those responsible for the killings should be judged, Lvov should be returned to the Poles, and the rest, as the Republic of Little Russia, should be annexed to the Russian Federation. Amen.

[AGV Pagan]

One gets the feeling that Petro and K. were lost not only in time, but also in space ....
Autists are bad ....

[Haloperidol]

Negotiations with Bandera gangs do not make sense ...

[Kostya Osipov]

And what are you Mr. Poroshenko standing at the door? -Yes dinner Merkel. Holland and Putin guard

[Steelevil]

But Gunpowder promised that visas would already be in October! Hail again! How long!