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Mad country surpassed itself


A mad country, a fragment of the Russian empire and the Soviet Union, which declared Russia an “aggressor” and itself almost the main “fighter for democracy” in the world, this time surpassed itself. It would seem that the bottom has long been reached - the war against its former territories, the fascist marches with the glorification of "heroes" such as Bandera and Shukhevychs, beatings and persecution of dissidents. But then, as they say, they knocked again from below ...



Threatening to shoot down a civilian plane of neighboring Belarus because of a journalist you don't like is somehow very far beyond the bounds of reason. This can only be compared to the criminal actions of Erdogan's Turkey, which in October 2012 carried out a similar act with a Syrian Airlines plane, in which, among others, Russian citizens were flying.

Despite the fact that only a few kilometers remained to the Belarusian border, the crew of “Belavia” submitted to an aggressive demand. The unfortunate Malaysian Boeing is still alive in the memory, and any sober-minded person realizes that he was not hit by Russia or the Donbass militia. Contacting a distraught junta is more expensive.

The objectionable journalist and blogger turned out to be the critic of Maidan Armen Martirosyan, who was in Ukraine on a private visit. And this is such a “dangerous” person that because of him, Bolav of Belavia had to be deployed, threatening to lift the fighters into the air. Nothing dangerous was found in him, nothing turned out to be presented to him.

Now the Ukrainian side is trying to awkwardly justify what it did. SBU press secretary Elena Gitlyanskaya stated: "Is it really possible to take seriously the information that fighter jets could be raised into the sky against a civilian airliner?" That is, she herself understands that this act is absurd.

But the point is that Ukraine has been a country of absurdity since the Euromaidan. And it won't be easy to get out of it. The Belavia company claims that it has a recording of the negotiations with air traffic controllers, and it was precisely about raising fighter jets into the air. All the moves are recorded.

Belavia is demanding compensation for the extra fuel costs. Perhaps she will achieve this. But who will compensate passengers for moral damage, lost time, stress?

It can be said that journalist Armen Martirosyan was still lucky - they didn’t find anything against him. In general, the post-Ukraine is known for its dislike for the press employees who did not support this very Maidan. Or they even supported it, but they behave “incorrectly” (for example, the Inter TV channel. Not so long ago, it came even to the arson of a studio where materials were prepared for this TV channel).

This time, the scandalous website "Peacemaker" "distinguished itself". After vile jokes from die-hard Maidan supporters about the murdered Hero of the DPR "Motorola", "Peacemaker" vilely exercised its wit about the famous British journalist Graham Phillips, who covered the war in Donbass. Allegedly, the project is ready to pay two thousand dollars for the Philips X200 phone, and a thousand for the Philips X300.

This "wit" is no longer just a bad joke, but a direct threat of murder. And if we remember that earlier, writer and publicist Oles Buzina was killed at the call of this same site, everything looks even more serious.

Earlier, Ukrainian officials (in particular, the same Elena Gitlyanskaya who made excuses for the Belavia plane) appealed to Britain with a demand to deprive Graham Phillips of his foreign passport so that the journalist could not perform his professional duties. There is no point in expecting any measures from the Ukrainian authorities against the criminal site, especially since "Mirotvorets" has previously demonstrated open hostility towards journalists, publishing their personal data. After several demonstrative shouts from Europe, this site even stopped working... for a couple of days. But how could it close completely, if its work is actually welcomed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs through the mouth of adviser Anton Gerashchenko? Who openly stated in his blog about the deadly "jokes" addressed to Graham Phillips: "The "Mirotvorets" project continues to persecute foreign journalists."

Maidannaya Ukraine is not only disliked by pen and camera workers, but also artists. October 21 “Right Sector” (banned in Russia), acting under the indulgence of ukrovlasts, as well as “Avtomaydan” and the neo-Nazi party “Svoboda” disrupted the concert of Potap and Nasty Kamensky in Khmelnitsky. Just for the fact that they are Russians, although they didn’t go into politics very much.

In the institution where the concert was supposed to take place, the Nazi thugs staged a pogrom - they threw the floor, walls and props with eggs, filled them with the blood of animals, and smoke bombs went into action. There was also a collision of pravoseks with police officers. According to the results of the “protest rally,” no one was detained, although the police “decide the question” of whether these actions fall under “Hooliganism” (and this also raises questions? How would law enforcement officers in Europe like that react to this?)

However, what can you expect from a state that continues to wage a criminal war in Donbass? And even more ominous news comes from Donbass about ongoing shelling. On the night of October 22, the village of Trudovskie (Petrovsky district of Donetsk) came under fire from the Ukrainian punitive forces, as a result of which nine private houses were damaged. On October 23, during shelling of the same district, a woman and her 30-year-old son were wounded. In addition, the village of Sakhanka in the Novoazovsky district experienced the actions of the Ukrainian soldiers, where one of the private houses was completely destroyed. Fortunately, the owners were not at home.

It is not surprising that the country leading this criminal war creates lawlessness against journalists, artists and in general any person she does not like.
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  1. 14+
    24 October 2016 15: 05
    How tired of this news from the madhouse! Why should we discuss this?
    1. 12+
      24 October 2016 15: 23
      in order not to ask such a question, you first need to stop reading the news from this madhouse ... :)
    2. 20+
      24 October 2016 15: 25
      So the madhouse is nearby. And his poets scream through the bars as they cut everyone here.
    3. 43+
      24 October 2016 15: 46
      So that this madhouse does not suddenly appear with us. At least for this. And most importantly - that this madhouse was where he is supposed to be. Some in ward number 6, others in prison, where they belong. And the most restless - underground.
      1. +3
        26 October 2016 08: 46
        It is necessary that the whole mental hospital moved overseas. If they have problems, they may stop getting everyone.
    4. +5
      24 October 2016 15: 46
      Do not like it - do not eat! After all, no one specially invited you here. Nothing to hang out like a flower in an ice hole.
    5. 11+
      24 October 2016 18: 13
      This is a vaccine for us from what the Americans are trying to do in our country.
    6. +4
      24 October 2016 19: 28
      A crazy country, a splinter of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, declaring Russia to be an "aggressor", and itself - almost the main "fighter for democracy" in the world, this time surpassed itself.

      Let's congratulate them on their well-deserved 1st place. laughing
      Ukrodebiloidam in Ukraine is now everywhere the road wassat
      But where this road really do not even know themselves ukrodebiloidy wassat hi
    7. +2
      24 October 2016 20: 26
      That is, their journalists will kick us, and we must be silent, huh?
  2. +4
    24 October 2016 15: 06
    Belavia is demanding compensation for the extra fuel costs. Perhaps she will achieve this. But who will compensate passengers for moral damage, lost time, stress?
    But moral damage and lost time can also be estimated, and for this it is simply necessary to go to court, to INTERNATIONAL ... Let's see how the international Themis reacts to this ...
    1. 10+
      24 October 2016 15: 21
      How will he react? But nothing .. She (Themis) is blind ... And they are poor, what demand?
      1. +4
        24 October 2016 23: 22
        She (Themis) is blind
        Well, for some reason, sometimes it opens its eyes. Recently oblige Ukraine to pay 280 thousand to Yanukovych. Euro, for moral damages. This zrada is so zrada, also from Europe.
    2. +2
      25 October 2016 12: 16
      We’ll look at the reimbursement - but I doubt very much that Lukashenko will be persistent - Europe promised him to remove all sanctions ........ and he is known to be an amateur in two chairs to sit ....
  3. +7
    24 October 2016 15: 28
    Another article, where everything is negative under the sauce "Ukraine is bad" and everything in it is bad. However, if you make a selection of the most negative, you can at least make about Switzerland a monster on a global scale.
    I especially liked the passage
    Quote: Elena Gromova
    Only because they are Russians, although they didn’t particularly get into politics

    Their main complaint against the artists was that they were actively performing in Russia.
    RIA Novosti Ukraine: http://rian.com.ua/video/20161022/1017999864.html
    Anastasia Alekseevna Kamensky - Ukrainian singer, member of the duet "Potap and Nastya" Born in Kiev.
    Sweat - Ukrainian producer, author and performer of songs, director, screenwriter, composer, TV presenter, was born there. Elena - this statement is purely drawn out in order to aggravate the hostility (they say that they kill for Russians, they hang them, they rape us and generally radishes) In fact, these are pure Ukrainian performers, very popular in Ukraine and on M1 they occupy the lion's share of the broadcast and one of the most successful projects in Ukraine ! A breakdown is simply due to performances in the Russian Federation, like Loboda, Lorak and others. Wait, if the traders gather, someone's heads will fly and again everything will be quiet.
    One could add a negative one - after all, earlier nationalists in Ivano-Frankovsk disrupted the concert of singer Svetlana Loboda, scheduled for May 12. Representatives of the local "Self-defense", "Right Sector" and "Azov" "simply did not allow people to perform, blocking the concert hall."
    RIA Novosti Ukraine: http://rian.com.ua/culture/20161022/1017995330.ht
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    Vikarchuk (the renter of the site) has already "reported" that everything was paid for and everyone was "at work". The action is generally shameful for Ukraine (I am writing this on my own behalf) in the sense that instead of really helping the Armed Forces of Ukraine and society with the war, they are taking it out on defenseless artists just to show how they can "for the country". Nationalists have generally fallen to the lowest levels in the eyes of society. Soon they will be hated even in Ukraine.
    You could also drop a barrel negatively - the Queen was banned everywhere in her "home country" because of her statements about Ukraine (more precisely, she spoke out against the government)
    This is about the negative (you can still dig a lot) among artists.
    However, Russia has its own "heroes" (such as Makarevich) from this environment.
    And is it generally only about the bad? If the articles about Peskov and the borders of Ukraine are internationally recognized and about "potential consent" to the mission?
    1. 19+
      24 October 2016 15: 47
      Quote: Retvizan

      But is it generally just about the bad?
      Say something good, kind, bright made in the official Kiev. Oh please.
      1. +4
        24 October 2016 20: 42
        So he wrote "to really help the APU and society with the war." They disrupted the concert - transfers for the "armed pack will not be received. Indignant ...
      2. 0
        25 October 2016 14: 42
        What about ?! Here is the last monument to Lenin demolished. Kmuto of this is good.
    2. +3
      24 October 2016 16: 06
      Quote: Retvizan
      You could also drop a barrel negatively - the Queen was banned everywhere in her "home country" because of her statements about Ukraine (more precisely, she spoke out against the government)

      Gorgeous ...
      “I was there on the eve of these terrible events. When I was on the Maidan, I noticed that it was a very calm and friendly atmosphere. I hoped that finally everything would settle down a little. But on Monday we flew away, and on Tuesday this terrible bloody massacre began ", - said the Queen.

      According to the singer, her two brothers, who live in Kiev, took an active part in the events on the Maidan and went there under bullets.

      So soon they will get to the bottom of Mustafa Nayem - "Putin shpigun ruined the color of the nation by calls to go to the Maidan". laughing
    3. +9
      24 October 2016 17: 41
      Many letters are not mastered. You better tell me why they threatened to bring down the Belarusians? Is it boring to live without downed Boeing?
    4. +7
      24 October 2016 20: 14
      First, they sing in Russian. And such people are determined primarily by language. Brodsky is a Jew, but he wrote in Russian, so they do not speak about him as a Jewish poet, but speak as Russian. This is just an example, in fact there are many such poets.
      Secondly, they unwound, mainly due to Russia.
      Third, they are already more "ours" than "yours." Moreover, "yours" themselves renounced them, accusing them of "supporting Russian aggression."
      And they suffered precisely because they were RUSSIAN by culture (no matter where they were born).
      1. 0
        25 October 2016 21: 06
        Taki and Nabokov - an American writer, in your opinion?
        1. 0
          26 October 2016 02: 29
          Nabokov something? So he wrote in Russian, and even more than in English. However, the Americans consider him their own.
  4. +5
    24 October 2016 15: 38
    Quote: Retvizan
    The action is generally shameful for Ukraine (I write this myself) in terms of, instead of really helping the APU

    In terms of what you want to hear from you - what is meant by "assistance to the APU"? Socks, makhorka, underpants, or weapons, cartridges, night vision devices, etc.?
  5. +2
    24 October 2016 15: 38
    Dear Elena Gromova! It seems so, but, - not mentioned You "artists" nor described You the "journalists" are not. These are pathetic crafts. Do not waste Your talent for advertising fakes.
    1. +5
      24 October 2016 19: 17
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      It seems so, but neither the "artists" you mentioned, nor the "journalists" you described are such. They are pathetic fakes. Don't waste your talent on advertising fakes.

      ====
      Who is this "pathetic hack"? About every journalist and historian Oles Buzin? The best historian and publicist in the country? A man who loved his country and fiercely hated ANY Nazism, in ALL of its manifestations? Who was not afraid to tell the TRUTH when EVERYONE was afraid?
      And who are you after that? Yes, just a pathetic softer NOTHING !!!! Scum!
      1. 0
        26 October 2016 18: 03
        The best historian and publicist of the country
        Now we will not talk about the civil position of Elderberry. Have you read the history of Ukraine in its presentation? A very peculiar interpretation.
    2. +2
      24 October 2016 20: 29
      I myself don't like artists too much, I just don't perceive their style, but I'm not going to throw eggs. And it is not normal to introduce such censorship against them and consider them "aggressors" and "separatists". They are outside of politics, and they are persecuted for politics. Personally, I'm against it.
      And the journalists mentioned here are heroes. Elder gave life, Graham risks her
    3. +6
      25 October 2016 01: 38
      those. What did Graham Phillips do in the DPR - not journalism? Yes, you, dear, have recycled, since the life of a migrant worker of a Ukrainian from abroad is hard. Permanent cognitive dissonance))))
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    1. +8
      24 October 2016 17: 52
      Oddly enough, but I agree... NEVER should you attack ALL the people! NEVER!!! Let's take Russia as an example... Let's remember the 90s... The president of the country is an alcoholic who "amuses" the West with his actions - a drunken unprincipled buffoon! The people wince in shame and humiliation... As for domestic politics - there simply was none! There was banditry, robbery, massacre in the Caucasus... The people are indignant, but do nothing until a new president comes... and suddenly... The Caucasian massacre practically stops... They remembered about pensioners... They started moving in the international arena... etc... Does this remind you of any country???... That's what I'm talking about too... The Russian people were like that under Yeltsin - they are still like that now... And the state is "earth" and "heaven"... Maybe in the Outskirts it's all about a couple dozen faces (mugs) at the top??? most likely... So why pour it on the whole nation...?
      1. +4
        24 October 2016 23: 34
        NEVER run into ALL people
        The fact is that the so-called Ukraine is very heterogeneous in ethnic terms. In the east, where the percentage of Russians is very high, they did not accept the fascist coup and put up armed resistance. But if you take the Western one (this is what really is Ukraine), then there unanimously everything is unanimous, 100 percent supported the Maidan and support the war in the Donbass. So here is just the case when the WHOLE people who call themselves true Ukrainians are absolutely one. Especially in his hatred of Russia and all Russian in general.
        1. +2
          25 October 2016 04: 02
          in his hatred of Russia and all Russian in general.

          At the time of the collapse of the Union - how many obvious Bandera-Russophobes were there (in the western Outskirts)?... I recently came across a figure of 3-5%... If you scrape together the sympathizers, it was all 7%. And the East (Crimea, Odessa, Donbass, etc.)? At the most pessimistic view, 15 percent? It doesn't even matter that the East was twice as big... The preference of the center (the main population of the country) is more important... while our EBN was busy with the state fall, the West slowly but surely began to work on the center... for some reason the history textbooks were changed not to our tune... the preference for broadcasting TV is also not in favor of Russian channels (and there was nothing good there at that time - gangster showdowns, the sinking of the "MIR", the raising of the "Kursk") from these nightmares they poured out of Russia, what can we say about the Outskirts... we slowly but surely blew the center... And were left with these 15%... We lost this war before it was declared!...:(
          1. 0
            28 October 2016 18: 18
            Quote: freejack
            At the time of the collapse of the Union - how many Bender-Russophobes were there (in the Western Outskirts) there? ... Somewhere recently I came across a figure of 3-5% ... If you scrape sympathizers, all 7% was gaining. ... (


            Read about the times of Peter the Great, or something. ALREADY THEN MOSCOWS WERE THE MAIN ENEMIES OF ESPECIALLY ACTIVE Svidomitov.
    2. 0
      24 October 2016 21: 03
      By the way, I LOVE Ukraine. I hate the regime that came to power by coup. Which divided us and made today's Ukraine crazy.
      1. +4
        25 October 2016 07: 08
        I hate it - the regime that came to power through a coup. Which disconnected us and made today's Ukraine crazy.
        Ukraine was made insane by the information war launched by the Poles with Austro-Hungarians back in the mid-19th century. And already at the sunset of the Union, and especially after 1991, the states actively seized this war. As a result, we have a certain territory where the majority of the population was rinsed completely.
    3. +2
      25 October 2016 01: 43
      Very good advice about "mosk". Turn it on for yourself, defective, it is the country that must be blamed for this, it is from the actions of this country that "the entire people" and all neighbors suffer. The words in the article are correct
  7. +4
    24 October 2016 15: 54
    and any sober person understands that it was not Russia or the Donbass militias who shot him down at all


    I don't believe that someone could have deliberately hit a civilian aircraft, it was an accident, a tragic mistake. So the shot was fired at a military aircraft. And what military aircraft was hit with a Buk, the militia has no aviation and Russia did not violate the air border of Ukraine. Hence the conclusion that they fired at a Ukrainian military aircraft. And who could have fired at Ukrainian military aircraft, only the militia. And where did the militia get the Buk and, most importantly, the personnel, they could only get it from Russia. And why can't Russia admit this, then it will become one of the parties to the conflict. So they lie that I am not me and in general it was a one-armed man in a fighter.
    1. 11+
      24 October 2016 16: 29
      Quote: Iskander Sh
      I do not believe that someone could deliberately hit a civilian plane, it was an accident, a tragic mistake.

      Uh-huh ... those who were burned in Odessa were also a "tragic mistake"? Or the Su-25 assault on the building of the Lugansk Regional State Administration with subsequent statements in the style of "fired themselves, the rocket was aimed at the air conditioner"?
      Quote: Iskander Sh
      So the shot was on a military plane.

      Or according to what was mistaken for a military aircraft.
      As practice shows, even the military countries of the elves with their all-seeing "Aegis" can overwhelm a civilian board, confusing it with a military one.

      In addition, the Ukrainian air defense already has experience in the downing of a civilian side - Tu-154 over the Black Sea. ICh, still unlocked: I am not me, and the horse is not mine, and I myself am not a cabman.
      Quote: Iskander Sh
      And where did the militia get Buk and the main staff, they could get it only from Russia.

      Only in Russia there are no such "beeches" with such missiles left. At the time of that launch, these missiles had already been removed from service for 3 years. But the neighbors' resource for these missiles was regularly extended.
      Transferring solid-propelled missiles removed from armament to someone is like giving grenades without a safety check.

      In addition, the Russian Federation did not make sense to supply the militia with "Buki": the Ukrainian Air Force worked on the militias and cities exclusively with cast iron and NAR from such distances and heights that the MANPADS and "arrows-10" already available to the militia were quite enough to work on their aircraft. ".
      1. +3
        24 October 2016 17: 09
        Quote: Alexey RA
        burned in Odessa were also a "tragic mistake"? Or an assault strike by the Su-25 on the building of the Lugansk Regional State Administration


        I do not deny that these are terrible hate crimes against the other half of citizens, these are manifestations of a civil war. But a completely different shooting on a civilian plane with people who generally have no side to either side of the conflict.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        Or according to what was mistaken for a military aircraft.
        As practice shows, even the military countries of the elves with their all-seeing "Aegis" can overwhelm a civilian board, confusing it with a military one.


        Yes, this is exactly what happened; they shot down not the one they wanted. At the expense of the Americans, the United States paid and apologized to the relatives of the victims, they did not deny their guilt, moreover, they did not even deny that the US Navy ship at the time of the launch of the anti-aircraft missile was in the territorial waters of Iran.

        Quote: Alexey RA
        Only in Russia there are no such "beeches" with such missiles left. At the time of that launch, these missiles had already been removed from service for 3 years.


        Disarm and dispose of various concepts.

        I will be glad to make a mistake, but for now everything looks just like that. And the investigation so far speaks in favor of this version.
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        2. +4
          24 October 2016 17: 43
          Quote: Iskander Sh
          Yes, this is exactly what happened; they shot down not the one they wanted. At the expense of the Americans, the United States paid and apologized to the relatives of the victims, they did not deny their guilt, moreover, they did not even deny that the US Navy ship at the time of the launch of the anti-aircraft missile was in the territorial waters of Iran.

          It was not about "recognized - not recognized." It was about the fact that, even with an "Aegis", it is possible to overwhelm a huge civilian side, mistaking it for a fighter-bomber.
          What about recognized, not recognized - here everyone has different principles. Remember the Tu-154.
          Quote: Iskander Sh
          Disarm and dispose of various concepts.

          To remove from service means to cease all actions to maintain the resource.
          Transferring "expired" solid-fuel missiles that have been removed from service to someone else is like playing Russian roulette on the launcher: either the SAM will go off normally, or it will fall after launch (and, possibly, on the launcher), or it will explode right on the launcher. Either because of the degradation of the propellants, or because of the dead electronics, or because of both at once.
        3. +8
          24 October 2016 18: 11
          Quote: Iskander Sh
          I will be glad to make a mistake, but for now everything looks just like that. And the investigation so far speaks in favor of this version.

          Iskander, you first formulated a certain Wishlist, then you justified it with an explanation, saying that Russia wanted to help the militia cope with the Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation.
          If you look for opportunities, then first of all it is Ukraine, the presence of air defense systems, the availability of guidance and escort equipment.
          Or if you decided that the militias with Russian specialists are so cool - why not continue to fantasize:
          1. The Russians drowned out the connection between the aircraft and the accompanying radar and airports.
          2. They ordered the pilots to fly through the combat zone.
          3. They ordered to change the level - somehow it is necessary to justify the descent of the aircraft to the desired height.
          4. The dispatchers were taken away in an unknown direction along with the records of the negotiations, and do not forget the pilot.
          5. Destroyed the black boxes of aircraft.
          6. Secretly exported-destroyed the imported beech complex.
          I offer you another alternative version. And what? Buzz so buzz to the fullest.
          Russia threw saboteurs to the location of Ukraine’s air defense (for some reason, the air defense system was brought in there - although the militia didn’t have aviation) and they shot down an airplane to dump everything to Ukraine, then naturally went by sea to the Crimea.
          1. +2
            24 October 2016 19: 20
            Quote: Corsair
            The Russians drowned out the connection between the aircraft and the accompanying radar and airports.
            2. They ordered the pilots to fly through the combat zone.
            3. They ordered to change the level - somehow it is necessary to justify the descent of the aircraft to the desired height.
            4. The dispatchers were taken away in an unknown direction along with the records of the negotiations, and do not forget the pilot.



            I see that you did not even read the materials provided by the investigation. There are negotiations between dispatchers and pilots, as well as dispatchers from Ukraine and Russia. By the way about the trains, then he was asked to change at the request of Rostov.

            Quote: Corsair
            Destroyed the black boxes of aircraft.
            6. Secretly exported-destroyed the imported beech complex.


            No one destroyed the "Black Boxes", their decryption was provided to the press back in 2014. I do not know whether that Beech was burned or not, but of course the Beech was taken out, he has already done things.

            Quote: Corsair
            If you look for opportunities, then first of all it is Ukraine


            And whom will Ukraine bring down in its sky? The militia did not and does not have aviation; Russia also did not violate borders.
            1. +8
              24 October 2016 21: 56
              I see that you did not even read the materials provided by the investigation.

              interesting, does that mean Iskander Sh has unlimited access to these materials???? Then maybe you can dump them, because this material is not available to anyone yet, just like the material on the downed Tu 154, I have the impression that a certain Iskander Sh is a simple general of the new banderukra of the military, well, for example, the uniform of the GENERAL
              1. 0
                25 October 2016 06: 42
                Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                interesting, which means Iskander Sh has unlimited access to these materials ???? Then you can dump them, because this material is not yet available to anyone


                An investigation report is available online.
                1. +4
                  25 October 2016 06: 56
                  there is no one who reports while investigative measures are being taken, and they are going on, since the most exceptional ones have intervened, the case is being investigated - mythical facts attract the ears, what’s on the network is some leaks, everything else is speculation,
                  1. 0
                    25 October 2016 07: 31
                    A report on the causes of the death of MH 17 was published at the end of September this year.
                    1. +3
                      25 October 2016 13: 48
                      It says that the plane was supposedly shot down from Buk, plus indicative data of where it could have been done from, it took two whole years and several months for the APU to cover the tracks? Negotiations surfaced also after 2 years? Later they said that it was necessary to further investigate who was coming from and why, and most likely in 2018 something would be clear, naturally the question is - did you carefully read the report and the conclusions of the investigation?
                      I, too, can publish my report, Vasya from Zapopinsk, and even give some arguments, the question is objectivity and faith.
            2. +2
              25 October 2016 10: 30
              Quote: Iskander Sh
              And whom will Ukraine bring down in its sky? The militia did not and does not have aviation; Russia also did not violate borders.

              But the Ukrainians in the summer of 2014 regularly "saw" Russian aircraft in their airspace. Parubiy even stated in July 2014:
              "The Ukrainian authorities have issued a warning that upon re-crossing the border, we will launch airstrikes."

              And the Armed Forces of Ukraine even pulled the Buki into the combat area. Those "Buki".
            3. +2
              26 October 2016 07: 00
              I see that you did not even read the materials provided by the investigation. There are negotiations between dispatchers and pilots, as well as dispatchers from Ukraine and Russia. By the way about the trains, then he was asked to change at the request of Rostov.
              Yes, you old friend’s dreamer))) ....... (although I suspect that the usual Troll)
        4. +3
          24 October 2016 22: 07
          Iskander Sh on September 17.09
          Only a lunatic would agree to exploit expired gunpowder. Even expired hunting cartridges can leave the "experimenter" without fingers (at best). And here we are dealing with monolithic powder charges (in fact - the same explosives!).
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    3. +1
      24 October 2016 22: 23
      Perhaps not purposefully.
      Civilian Tu-154M in 2001 who shot down?
    4. +3
      25 October 2016 01: 44
      Where did so many dill come from on the forum? Retvizan called for help, can’t he cope?))))
    5. +4
      25 October 2016 07: 41
      I do not believe that someone could deliberately hit a civilian plane
      If you don't believe something, it doesn't mean it's not true. Ukrainian air traffic controllers initially, on that very day, flew the plane 150 km north of its normal route, where it was safely shot down. Where are the recordings of the conversations between the air traffic controller and the downed plane? Where is the air traffic controller himself? All evidence is no longer needed. And lastly. There is a mobile application of flightradar24.com, if I see a plane in the sky, I can immediately see what kind of flight it is, whose and where, from where. In a regular smartphone. And the anti-aircraft gunners can’t make a mistake like that. So, that fell it purposefully, and who needed it, guess three times.
    6. +3
      25 October 2016 09: 53
      NATO satellites continuously hang over Syria and Ukraine.
      Monitoring around the clock.
      If the beech really shot from the territory of the DPR, the howl would stand to heaven!
      1. 0
        28 October 2016 20: 27
        Well, the howl is already there, but I have a question for the experts-accusers... Russia gave this, Russia gave that, but before MN-17, combat aircraft were already shot down in the skies of Donbass, and not only helicopters, that is, the sky should have been closed to any flights of civilian airlines, considering that army aviation was already working there (not only helicopters or attack aircraft, but also MiG-29), plus the Ukrainian government supposedly declared aggression by the Russian Federation, why is there no question - what was the corridor based on? Who gave the go-ahead for the FLIGHT OVER THE TERRITORY OF BD??? The operation to discredit the Russian Federation and the opponents of the Banderites was a success ... and the dead? So, supposedly innocent victims. More correctly, sacrificed.
    7. +1
      26 October 2016 10: 16
      Quote: Iskander Sh
      it was an accident, a tragic mistake.

      Yes. The mistake was the birth of all now active Svidomoites and all their subsequent actions.
      The existence of a Nazi internal Ukraine is generally a complete mistake.
      I want to believe that history will correct this error as soon as possible and as fully as possible. wink
  8. +8
    24 October 2016 16: 00
    For me, for a long time it was necessary to put things in order in this ward number 6. Without looking back at the cries of the exceptional and Europe, we should clean Ukraine from fascist elements, and Poroshenko would judge all this trash as criminals against humanity. Moreover, this is a matter of several days.
  9. +2
    24 October 2016 16: 27
    Another information in a long list of articles about Ukraine as a madhouse. Why?
    1. +1
      25 October 2016 01: 52
      Well, more and more facts appear on the list of bad-headedness. If you do not celebrate them, you can let the fools get to the idea of ​​something more serious "zhahnut". And so he sits on the forum and as numerous "experts" reports to the command: "they still remember and know that the dill are stupid. Operations at Russian nuclear power plants are considered undesirable."
  10. cap
    +2
    24 October 2016 16: 37
    However, what to take from a state that continues to wage a criminal war in the Donbass?

    Take Kiev for a start, and then see what to do with the "hooligans" am
  11. HAM
    +7
    24 October 2016 17: 17
    Personally, I wonder why no one has yet paid attention to the "small" nuance:why do the dutch resist acceptance of Ukraine into the EU ?? Do they know something about Ukraine that they are not eager to have them in their "collective farm"? Of course, it's not hard to guess what the Dutch know ...
    1. 0
      25 October 2016 09: 57
      Who will go to the street of red snails?
      And ukrobabuli selling heroin glasses?
      What are you ?! Want to crash the Netherlands?
      1. 0
        25 October 2016 21: 30
        From the language removed!
  12. +4
    24 October 2016 17: 50
    And Belarusians could raise their planes and meet, protect the plane?
  13. +1
    24 October 2016 18: 46
    "Nurse" should be called for a long time. Then there is no gas to screw it into europium. It's cold here, guys, in Chukhotka. Here we will warm it up, and then we will share it with you, but for now, follow the Minsk Agreements. hi hi
  14. 0
    24 October 2016 19: 29
    Quote: Retvizan
    Another article, where everything is negative under the sauce "Ukraine is bad" and everything in it is bad. However, if you make a selection of the most negative, you can at least make about Switzerland a monster on a global scale.


    Of course, Switzerland can be made into a monster, BUT... it's better to make Ukraine into Switzerland. Kyiv needs to be changed into New Bern, and then one or two times and you'll be a queen, i.e. in the coveted EU. If the mountain won't come to Mohammed, then Mohammed goes to the mountain... Lard in Swiss chocolate for breakfast, lunch and dinner, may I live like that...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM5A3AuMrDE

    We see in Ukraine, think about Russia.
  15. +1
    24 October 2016 19: 50
    Really already got it with its outskirts! As they say in the people: about a deceased - either good or nothing!
  16. +2
    24 October 2016 21: 21
    What to take from them, only this:
  17. +4
    24 October 2016 21: 34
    The split of the single Slavic people is absolutely deliberate. Well, of course, the oligarchy is good, the Chinese are now our brothers, and our enemies are 40 million Slavs - well done damn it! Just shish to you! Ukrainians are our brothers and they will remain. And the oligarchy will receive its more, it will not seem a little!
    1. +2
      25 October 2016 02: 02
      And here I remember the times of the spolita, the Khovanshchina, the confrontation between Moscow and Tver ... Sometimes a family is born with its own ugly Richard No. 2 and everybody needs to clean up the infection in the house. So right now, and with the ruin, the same hunchbacked freak, hungry for power and blood. And it doesn't matter at all whether in the future there will be "Ukrainians" or they will be called differently, the main thing is that this hunchback of Bandera finds his death.
  18. +2
    24 October 2016 22: 34
    Quote: Prince of Pensions
    And Belarusians could raise their planes and meet, protect the plane?

    And if they used an air defense system again, they would have shot down over the territory of Belarus, and blamed ... but they could have blamed anyone.
    Kravchuk was right when he spoke about nuclear weapons, but his statement regarding the possession of air defense systems is also valid.
  19. +4
    24 October 2016 23: 24
    For some time now I learned to identify the author of the article, by heading. Just the same authors are exploiting the same topics. This is like Kaptsov about battleships, or Ishchenko about the new Maidan. In this case, the chuyka immediately woke up - Gromova. Scrolling down - like she is !! not mistaken. laughing Damn, well, learn to express thoughts and not slogans !!!
    1. +1
      25 October 2016 02: 04
      Would you please indicate a place in an article that resembles a slogan?
  20. +2
    24 October 2016 23: 44
    The world, if not stopped, will turn upside down!
    The laureates of the "Peace Prize" unleash wars, their last-born "peacekeepers" call to kill, ... Lies are passed off as truth, but the truth is shot, cut, and muddled.
  21. 0
    25 October 2016 00: 31
    And the picture is cool !!!!
  22. +1
    25 October 2016 01: 30
    Gitlyanskaya- ruinsko-lyashsky version of the name Hitler.
  23. +1
    25 October 2016 07: 09
    Quote: Pushkar
    Quote: Retvizan

    But is it generally just about the bad?
    Say something good, kind, bright made in the official Kiev. Oh please.

    ... Last night they lit a light in the lobby, at the entrance to BP ... as many as four bulbs! Shaw, not enough ?!
  24. +2
    25 October 2016 07: 47
    Raise the last rusty fighter into the air to bring down the civilian side, such a threat within Ukraine does not seem fantasy. They may not be like that. They fighter bombed administrative buildings, schools and hospitals.
  25. +1
    26 October 2016 03: 53
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Come to St. Petersburg, walk around the city with a red banner, but at least today, October 25th, it’s very symbolic, someone will praise you, you will rob someone somewhere, but you’ll be interested in the police for sure!

    For the Red banner of Lyuli to rake in Russia? And you yourself will be a crackdown?
  26. +4
    26 October 2016 07: 18
    The madhouse is nearby and it is not excluded here. And it is not the fault of the Pin-doses, but our, if you will, grief-stricken rulers, and the lousy "elite". Shamsuarov and Bagdasaryan bring more discord into society than the most detached American propaganda. And also the pensions and salaries are miserable. Yesterday I read that in Finland pensions are 110 rubles, and here they are 000. And that's it, no more propaganda is needed. And let the hosts of "12800 Seconds" go to hell, proving our successes, all this is nothing compared to the fact that the former "Chukhontsy" have a pension 60 times greater than the VELIKOrossians. Well, if we add to this a video of the run of future FSB "galleys" in Helicopters, and the reasoning about Rashka of this miserable daughter of a millionaire who bought her education at MGIMO, then people become so angry that just light a match and there will be an explosion, like in Ukraine. The Americans are waiting for this. And I'm afraid they will get it. And no nuclear weapons will help. Should they bomb themselves?
  27. +1
    26 October 2016 09: 23
    who knows, perhaps the coming winter will cool the hot heads of the maydanut rulers of the Ukrainian land a little ...
  28. +1
    26 October 2016 10: 26
    I read the comments here about Ukraine and its inhabitants.
    And none of the mocking ones thought that by your banter you are like the visitors of the "Censor" (a) and others like him?
    And the fact that there are quite adequate people here who, for some reason, are not able to provide decent resistance to this bacchanalia, have you ever thought?
    Or do you think everything here is completely pan-and-headed?
    1. +1
      27 October 2016 11: 04
      "who, for some reason, are not able to provide a worthy resistance to this orgy" reasons are not some, they are known ...
      Even in the video polls in Ukraine, you can see how people get scared when they ask a question about militias, Crimea ...
    2. 0
      27 October 2016 17: 57
      these people" choose for yourself power.
  29. 0
    27 October 2016 17: 56
    I got a uro-wash. I hope the winter will be cold, the horses may become cold. A plague hut, but Hollande and Merkel like it. Well, okay.