Why did Ukraine threaten the Belarusian airliner to lift fighters into the air?

Separate details regarding the incident with a passenger airliner of the Belarusian company Belavia continue to arrive. We are talking about the flight from Kiev airport Zhulyany to Minsk. And the incident was that the Ukrainian ground services some time after the start of the flight of the airliner ordered the crew to immediately deploy a Boeing 737, threatening to raise the Ukrainian Air Force fighter jets.

From the message press service Belarusian airline:

21 October 2016, the Boeing 737-800 plane (tail number EW-456PA) of Belavia Airlines, which operated the B2-840 flight on the route Zhuliany (Kiev) - Minsk, was forced to return to the departure airport. Onboard were 136 passengers and 6 crew members.

In accordance with the schedule in 15.25, the plane flew from Zhuliany International Airport to Minsk. In 15.36, for 50 kilometers before the entrance to the airspace of the Republic of Belarus, the aircraft commander received instructions from the air traffic control manager of the regional center “Kiev”, which is part of the state-owned air traffic services company “Ukraerorukh”, to immediately return to the airport of departure without explaining any reasons. It was also stated that in case of failure of the command, the fighters will be raised into the air. The commander of the aircraft complied with the instructions and in 15.37 began to decline.

Further, it is reported that after the return of the aircraft to the Kiev airport, a citizen of Armenia was removed from the board. His name is not yet called. At the same time, the press service of Belavia adds that after a few hours, this passenger was released and flew to Minsk in 19: 00 local time on a flight of the same airline.

From the report:

Belavia Airline intends to demand reimbursement of expenses related to the return of the aircraft to Zhulyany International Airport from Ukrauorukh.

Press service "Ukraeroruha" refuses to comment on the incident. Official Kiev, including the transport department, is not ready to be responsible for the actual threats to the crew of the Belarusian aircraft. This once again suggests that Ukraine has a “special relationship” to passenger airliners, and that it is again ready to use military means in order for Ukrainian airspace to finally turn into a gaping hole that international air carriers are trying to avoid ...

It is surprising that Kiev did not try to "resolve the issue" with the help of "Buka" ...

Comments

[Same lech]

The SBU did not conduct a briefing with him on time ... a muddy story.

[Teberii]

Old Man probably already called Kiev comrade, and expressed everything that he therefore thinks.

[SRC P-15]

It is further reported that after the plane returned to the Kiev airport, an Armenian citizen was removed from the board

Avakov wanted to run away ?!

[WKS]

Why did Ukraine threaten the Belarusian airliner to lift fighters into the air?

As always - burst into the whole world. Now they will keep silent in a rag.

[Iline]

Oh god Let this country outlive all its idiots!

[cniza]

It seems that the SBU of Ukraine has lost all sorts of shores from impunity, in fact, like the very formation called Ukraine.

[MAK6301366]

Even worse is that they bring up and raise the same halfwits.

[Lelek]

Quote: Black

Svidomye never cease to amaze me!

Surprise even more. This is the "mortality" or "clinic" in the last stage:

[Igor V]

They even have Kaliningrad in the 41st on the map. Such things are already going wild, someone should be responsible for such nonsense.

[Dedusik Shchvi]

What kind of responsibility are they talking about - they would only bark at Russia, but the fact that the Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR and "bombed" itself, they do not think about that. DB

[Retvizan]

Quote: Igor V

someone is responsible for such nonsense.

Who? Private channel TSN uv Peter Alekseevich? Dear partner?
Well, you can write a petition
TSN, even during the Maidan, deservedly bears the name of the most lousy deceit, where even a lie cannot be stated correctly. What is the headline-Met with the victims on the Maidan ... and talked ...
You need to vote in rubles! I do not watch TSN and do not advise others.

[Igor V]

I meant the experience of Massad.

[weksha50]

Quote: Black

Why the hell?)))) Scare? .... Before leaving the airspace of Ukaini 50 km .... speed 900km / h ...

Here is the first thought that visited me while reading this news - why did the Belarusian crew deploy the aircraft?
Or ... Or didn’t believe in the Slavic brotherhood and decided that they would bring him down in the airspace of Belarus?

And even more surprising was the fact that Ukraine threatened to intercept fighters ... And there were many combat-ready fighters at the start at that moment?

[Lutoyar]

Because they still have to fly there. And to the pilots and the BelAvia company. The captain did everything right. And you never know who knows their fools, they are capable of anything. Bukom could also. They are no strangers.

[Stas157]

Quote: Black

The fact that Belarus has returned to Kiev .... is just a sign of goodwill .... and maybe just the decision of the commander himself ... in order to neutralize the dangerous passenger !.

Anyone would come back! What does he lose at the same time! But if he hadn’t returned, he would be back on the flight again tomorrow. Ah, there Kiev is waiting!

[Bayonet]

Quote: Stas157

Anyone would come back! What does he lose at the same time!

First of all, they lose money. Belarus intends to raise the issue of damages, but think Kiev will do it? Щщщас !!! hold your pocket wider!

[Stas157]

Quote: Bayonet

First of all, they lose money. Belarus intends to raise the issue of damages, but think Kiev will do it?

The airline loses money, not the pilot!

[igor1981]

Quote: wks

As always - burst into the whole world. Now they will keep silent in a rag.

Well, at least they didn’t. And then all of these can be expected.

[pvv113]

As always they say: it’s not us, Belarusians themselves returned to Kiev

[Gvfrog]

NOT! You are wrong, this is all insidious GDP personally from a special phone called, I captured a wave of Ukrainian dispatchers, changed my voice and learned to speak Ukrainian. Ivsyo in order to comprehend white and fluffy ukrov

[dmi.pris1]

Well, Old Man, he’s like that ... both yours and ours. But relations between Belarusians and Ukrainians can be ruined .. Friendship is friendship, but the safety of a civilian vessel in the country of the owner of a Boeing is in the first place.

[dauria]

Air Code of the Russian Federation of March 19, 1997 N 60-ФЗ

Chapter VIII. Aircraft crew

The aircraft commander has the right:
- make the final decision on the departure, flight and landing of the aircraft;
- finally determine, taking into account the meteorological and air navigation conditions, the required amount of fuel for refueling the aircraft;
- depart from the flight plan and mission for the flight, change, if possible in accordance with established rules, the flight mode in the event of a clear threat to its safety, as well as in order to save the lives of people on board the vessel, with an immediate report on this to the air traffic control unit;
- make decisions and act in accordance with the current situation, regardless of the instructions of the air traffic control unit in cases where these instructions pose a threat to flight safety;

He could send them, nothing threatened his career, but he was frightened of something. However, he did the right thing. But Ukrainians are really the height of idiocy. It will be difficult to explain.

[Douel]

The flyer in Banderlog still has to fly, it seems. So I thought that then I can’t refuse a flight to banderlog and then they can be arrested for disobedience. So scared.

[Homo]

Quote: Teberii

Old Man probably already called Kiev comrade, and expressed everything that he therefore thinks.

So far, the "dad" has thrust his tongue far into the hole and is silent! Otherwise the neighbors will be offended and there will be no one to sell gasoline to.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Teberii

Old Man probably already called Kiev comrade, and expressed everything that he therefore thinks.

Will the prices for the "Belarusian" saloon go up?

[olegfbi]

There must be VERY serious reasons for returning the board to the port of departure! This situation is a real emergency.
Ukraine completely lost its head ...

[ML-334]

Ukraine itself is a real state of emergency.

[Lelek]

Quote: ML-334

Ukraine itself is a real state of emergency.

State of emergency - it is poorly said:

[Retvizan]

blinded just like the Russians.
And nothing tensed. I repeat, everyday news for Ukraine. After an impressive list of "Ukrainian DRGs", of course, we all ... and the church of the 16th century and Mozgovoy. It is strange that the thirsty peremog audience does not brag ... amazing! the brain is generally the only one worth talking to. I feel sorry for him. And the rest are casual.

[79807420129]

It is surprising that Kiev did not try to "resolve the issue" with the help of "Buka" ...

These may have already shot down two civilian liners.

[OLD FART]

These are our cool "brothers" ... Just a little that immediately raise the fighters and threaten with beeches ... The Armenian, you see, just changed his mind about flying and called the USA! There the command was given ...

[mad]

Quote: STARPER

I see an Armenian, just changed his mind about flying and called the USA!

Wrote the same - soon flew out. Maybe the barbecue in the buffet forgot to pay ?! And the owner, deserved Svidomo, returned the liner to pay
Interestingly, would Lufthansa or PendosAirlines be able to wrap it up?

[OLD FART]

Quote: mad

Quote: STARPER

I see an Armenian, just changed his mind about flying and called the USA!

Wrote the same - soon flew out. Maybe the barbecue in the buffet forgot to pay ?! And the owner, deserved Svidomo, returned the liner to pay

Laughter, laughter, but I think it was like that .. They do not care in Ukraine all the rules. live one day ..
America makes Ukraine a dump for nuclear waste

In Ukraine, finally built the first dry storage of spent nuclear fuel in Chernobyl.
Now she proudly refuses the services of Russia for its disposal in order to save ...
http://novoros-news.com/news/amerika-delaet-iz-uk
rain ..

But the Armenian still called the United States ....))))

[aba]

Interestingly, would Lufthansa or PendosAirlines be able to wrap it up?

If their brains are tight, then the oppus they well sense what’s what.

[Lord_Bran]

Ukro Air Force still has working fighters. THIS is the real news.

[dmi.pris1]

"Fill up" Boeing, another one, there are like two fingers on the asphalt ... Then Russia would be accused ..

[APASUS]

And that Ukraine was the first to follow the lead of American intelligence, because it is clear that they themselves could not think of it.
Not really very similar:

The sky for the Bolivian leader’s plane was closed at night by several countries on July 3, 2013. And the Austrian authorities even carried out a search on board the ship Evo Morales, but the fugitive CIA officer Edward Snowden was not found. South American leaders are furious.

[1skuns1]

There was one passenger like Putin
It turned out that these are just Armenians

[Simpsonian]

there was a passenger similar, there is a whole plane

while more on airbuses the APU has no credibility

[sabakina]

Question for the competent:
How many minutes would it take for a Boeing to fly these 50 km?
How many minutes would it take for the fighters of the "take off" command to catch up with the Boeing?
And if in short, would a Boeing have time to dump into its airspace?

[33 Watcher]

Definitely yes. If only the fighters were not already in the air, and if this unfortunate Boeing was not irradiated from the ground with some "Buk". And so on cruising, for him it is 3-3,5 minutes ...

[tolancop]

I believe that Boeing would have traveled these 50 km in 4 minutes. The Ukrainians would not have time to lift the fighters. But the pilot was RIGHT to be back. He carried out the dispatcher’s command, did not endanger the lives of passengers and crew (and his career at the same time). And now let the diplomats rake in ....

[Simpsonian]

What does Buk have to do with it again? A Boeing was also shot down from a cannon by a Su-25 that also flew up. It was threatened with fighter jets.

[Damir]

Yes, everything is expressed in the name - Ukro (nothing else), aero (we begin to smile), rukh (sharply more serious and a keg, a keg from there, communication with an aggressive mental patient never brought anyone to good) ....

[Boa kaa]

reimbursement of expenses associated with the return of the aircraft to the Zhuliany international airport.

A few words about.
1. Syabry may not bother: they will not get anything from Svidomo, for they have long run out of even "ears from a dead donkey." (O. Bender)
2. Zhulyany (under the Union) was the airport of local airlines.
When they managed to become an "international airport", if nothing has changed in them during the period of independence, one Bandera knows ...

[nozdrevat58]

To the border about 4 minutes of flight. Do not have time to warm up the engines on fighter jets. If only to bring down over Belarus. AND D AND ABOUT

[rotmistr60]

Why did Ukraine threaten the Belarusian airliner to lift fighters into the air?

Just once again show your significance. When you constantly show that you are not completely smart (this is for moderators who don’t miss the word d.o.s., but mats and abusive words about the leadership of our country can hold for half an hour), others start to think the same.

[3vs]

"It's surprising that Kiev did not try to" resolve the issue "with the help of Buk ..."
And who told you that they would not have solved the question in this way, if
the plane did not return?
From this territory you can already expect everything ...

[andron-30]

what do you want from a company called "ukraerorukh", which means Ukrainian eropodomny junk "

[aleks700]

They already have at least TWO fighter jets! And maybe more. Recover!

[33 Watcher]

They have at least five Su-27s suitable for flights. For wars with civilian liners, more than enough. None will slip through ...

[vlad.svargin]

It is surprising that Kiev did not try to "resolve the issue" with the help of "Buka" ...

And they are already accustomed to do this after two passenger airliners "gained experience and silence from the West without consequences"!

[ochakow703]

In vain the Syabras obeyed, Ukrainians could not have done anything during this time, 50 km. they would have gone in 4-5 minutes. And so dill again showed what they are formidable in relation to civilian aircraft, and especially the Slavic states.

[0255]

Easy to tell you. Were you yourself in the place of our pilots, would you obey?

[33 Watcher]

No, no questions to the crew commander. I did everything right.

[Altona]

Where is the "international expert group"? Where are the Dutch investigators? Where is the OSCE Armed Mission?

[Altona]

Quote: sabakina

Question for the competent:
How many minutes would it take for a Boeing to fly these 50 km?
How many minutes would it take for the fighters of the "take off" command to catch up with the Boeing?
And if in short, would a Boeing have time to dump into its airspace?

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The aircraft commander must obey the commands of the dispatcher of the receiving party.

[sabakina]

Even if you have already entered your airspace?

[m262]

The board was in the airspace of Ukraine, it should obey, and given the precedents ... You should not argue with the patients ...

[dauria]

The aircraft commander must obey the commands of the dispatcher of the receiving party.

Not a, not obligated, if he fairly believes that it is dangerous.
"Has the right ... ... to make decisions and act in accordance with the prevailing situation regardless of the direction of the air traffic control in cases when these instructions pose a threat to the safety of the flight; "And there is a threat or not, and where the threat is more terrible, it is up to the commander to decide.

[VSZMK]

after the plane returned to Kiev airport, an Armenian citizen was removed from the board. His name is not yet called. At the same time, the Belavia press service adds that after a few hours this passenger was released and flew to Minsk at 19:00 local time with the flight of the same airline.

He just forgot his wallet at the airport, and everyone is already plotting conspiracies!

[kaserog]

it was atalef from the site - forgot to give instructions

[thinker]

The decision to return to the airport the plane of Belavia airline, en route from Kiev to Minsk, was made due to the fact that Armen Martirosyan was on board. In Kiev, the man is called a famous anti-Maidan.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2813139&cid=9

[berkut1000]

Quote: Altona

Where is the "international expert group"? Where are the Dutch investigators? Where is the OSCE Armed Mission?

If ours did this, then the stench would again be all over the world, and so shut up their languages ​​in /// opu!

[andron-30]

raised two, but how many returned did not indicate

[weksha50]

"It's surprising that Kiev did not try to" resolve the issue "with the help of Buk ..."...

It will be more surprising if Butsk will be outraged ... Kiev is not a terrorist for him, he has Lugansk and Donetsk recorded as terrorists ...

[NKVD]

Quote: dauria

Air Code of the Russian Federation of March 19, 1997 N 60-ФЗ

Chapter VIII. Aircraft crew

The aircraft commander has the right:
- make the final decision on the departure, flight and landing of the aircraft;
- finally determine, taking into account the meteorological and air navigation conditions, the required amount of fuel for refueling the aircraft;
- depart from the flight plan and mission for the flight, change, if possible in accordance with established rules, the flight mode in the event of a clear threat to its safety, as well as in order to save the lives of people on board the vessel, with an immediate report on this to the air traffic control unit;
- make decisions and act in accordance with the current situation, regardless of the instructions of the air traffic control unit in cases where these instructions pose a threat to flight safety;

He could send them, nothing threatened his career, but he was frightened of something.

But this is the air code of the Russian Federation, the ship was then Belorussian there is probably a different code.

[dauria]

"But this is the air code of the Russian Federation, the ship was Belarusian there probably a different code."

It was probably easier to say "He was in the sky of Ukraine, and the law is not written for fools." I realized one thing for myself - neither I nor my relatives will appear in the sky over Ukraine anymore. Fuck them.

[askort154]

Teberii ..... Old Man probably already called Kiev comrade, and expressed everything that he therefore thinks.

Everything about the plane is clear. But, about "dad" = ???
I do not know whether it is fake or not, but this is what "weighs" on the World Review website today. Headline - "Military cooperation with the USA announced in Minsk" Representatives of the Ministry of Belarus and the US Department of Defense on bilateral cooperation met in Washington and signed a military cooperation plan for 2017. I really want it to be untrue.

[sabakina]

Guys, it only dawned on me!

Forcing a crew under threat of weapons is a typical terrorist act. In fact, the plane was hijacked by the Ukrainian dispatch service. The terrorists who captured the aircraft act in a similar way, forcing the crew to obey under the threat of using weapons.

Spied on another resource.

[sir_obs]

Well, the Dutch didn’t turn to Kiev ...

[askort154]

The fate of the "Dutch" was predetermined by the CIA.

[Stoler]

Do not understand?? They missiles ran out ???)

[0255]

Quote: Stoler

Do not understand?? They missiles ran out ???)

Do you want the Belarusian plane to repeat the fate of the Russian Tu-154 or Malaysian Boeing?

[Elevator in the building]

Quote: Iline

Oh god Let this country outlive all its idiots!

better let the idiots with this unfinished disappear; idiots to hell, 404 from the world map.

[16112014nk]

"Belavia" intends to demand "reimbursement of expenses" from SE "Ukraerorukh" ....
Ukrainians probably in great bewilderment - what is it? To give something to someone ???

[SRC P-15]

Quote: 16112014nk

Ukrainians probably in great bewilderment - what is it?

You're right:
"The Security Service of Ukraine denied the information about the threat to raise the fighters to return the Belavia aircraft to Kiev. The chief of staff of the head of the SBU Oleksandr Tkachuk said that this information does not correspond to reality on the air of the Ukrainian TV channel 112 Ukraine."
https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.rbc.
ru/politics/22/10/2016/580b55e89a79472a501fa898&l
ang = ru & from = main_portal & lr = 215

RBC

15:13

[Hyperion]

This is how Belavia announced that there is a record of the negotiations. We also handed a note to the ambassador.

[pts-m]

Friendly republics will figure it out for themselves with a shot of schnapps. And our Russia does not need to get into the love relations of these republics.

[16112014nk]

Quote: STARPER

They do not care in Ukraine all the rules. live one day.

When compared with the age of a person - the planning horizon is one day - this is a period of 12 to 24 years. Everything is needed immediately! Age from 0 to 12 Ukraine passed. A man is what was laid in him until 6 years old. Up to 9 years of consolidation of the mortgaged. Up to 12 children - correction of defects is still possible. Unfortunately, nothing is already impossible with Ukraine. It’s good that in the period from 0 to 6 Ukraine took away nuclear missiles!

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

Not a, not obligated, if he fairly believes that it is dangerous.

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Why then fly into the airspace of the host country? Well, and having received threats in the form of fighters, it is probably better not to argue, because they can do with the Buk to make it shorter. Not the first time. By the way, the ever-memorable flight from Malaysia to Holland flies through Russian territory with a call into the airspace of Belarus. Despite all the JIT investigations and the findings of the Dutch "justice". Because well, he nafig, fly through Ukraine.

[demotivator]

It is surprising that Kiev did not try to "resolve the issue" with the help of "Buka" ...

Why didn't you try? And the threat to the Boeing pilots that "in case of failure to comply with the command, fighters will be taken into the air", is that not a hint of a poor Malaysian fellow? I sincerely doubt that the combat readiness of Ukaina's aviation units today is such that in 5-6 minutes (which is how much the Boeing had to fly to the sovereign Belarusian territory), the Ukrainians would have managed to lift at least one fighter into the air and fly to the border. In this respect, the combat readiness of the Belarusian army is much higher, and in response to the threat, it was necessary not to scribble notes, but to raise our aviation. A self-respecting country would do just that if such a threat were received against its passenger plane.
But, suppose that the Belarusian pilot would have ignored the request of the Ukrainian dispatcher. And what, would they really raise fighters? And then what? The Boeing crew reacted to the appearance of the Ukrainian Air Force plane as well as to the dispatcher's request - they sent them away, the message sounds the same in all East Slavic languages.
Then there are only two options - to return to your airfield or shoot down. There is practically no time for reflection. SBU demands "to prevent by all means". And "by all means" is to bring down unambiguously.
So guess after that, who shot down the Malaysian Boeing? The answer is on the surface.
We are dealing with a country of terrorist.

[Incvizitor]

Ukrainian air defense is the only air defense in the world that for all time shot down only 2 passenger aircraft and not one combat aircraft.
It seems that they have already become a tradition to shoot down civilian planes, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as ISIS, only have Buki and S 300.

[cat hippopotamus]

Svidomo insanity grows stronger, they no longer understand what they are doing, I wonder what they did when registering passengers for the flight? Yes, and Ukrainians will have to pay the airline for the damage caused, all the same fuel costs money.

[pvv113]

It was also stated that in case of failure to fulfill the command fighters will be raised into the air.

The threat to bring down an airplane is terrorism. At the state level, Ukraine threatened a foreign plane with a terrorist attack, thereby confirming that present-day Ukraine is a terrorist country

[Slon_on]

And they could have shot down the "Buk" and blamed it on Russia. Easily

[MAK6301366]

It’s hard to believe that for 50 km. something could be done to the Belarusian border soon.
In general, bastards, scum, etc. etc. (ukro-authorities)

[MAK6301366]

To myself.
Something they crouch over the Donbas fly, and then the Belarusian Boeing for 50 km. to the border.
Although the devil knows what these imbeciles have in mind.

[Dr. Sorge]

But they could have caused a catastrophe over Belarus, everything can be expected from them. Beech has not been canceled.
The reaction of Belavia is strange, which stated that it hopes to continue flying ... after all that happened. Those. we also apologize for not clear what?

[Lutoyar]

Are there fighters in Ukraine?

[Awaz]

for such terrorism, ukroaviatsii should first punish ICAO .. Old Man there and have to complain and demand that they take some steps. But nothing can be achieved from Ukrainians .. Right now they’ll start saying anything and reject their own words, they won’t even admit that they threatened, although everything is probably written down