In Kiev, recognized the change in position on the Donbass: first elections, then - border control

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The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, said in the Verkhovna Rada that elections in the Donbass must pass before the border is transferred to Ukrainian border guards, reports UNIAN.





"Nobody changed the Minsk agreements, and no one will allow them to change in our favor, and no one will allow to change the corresponding sequence,"
he said, answering the deputies' relevant questions.

According to the minister, “the logic of the Minsk agreements is that without monitoring by the OSCE abroad, which should include, in particular, the possibility of the OSCE being along an uncontrolled stretch of border ... there can be no real security.”

"Otherwise, to discuss the issue of withdrawal of troops or withdrawal weapons there is no point, ”he noted.

“Therefore, first it is full monitoring by the OSCE, development of plans for the transfer of the border, and on the second day after the elections - the transfer of the border to Ukrainian border guards. Such logic was originally laid down in the Minsk agreements, and never changed by anyone ", - added Klimkin.

Meanwhile, in the Ukrainian government this position is not for everyone. “First elections - then control over the border ?! This is nonsense and it is unacceptable! This decision will not pass in the Rada under any circumstances. There will be no votes for this, ”Zoryan Shkiryak, an adviser to the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, wrote on Facebook.

According to him, “it will be impossible to hold elections in the next two or three years, but even if we allow them to be held earlier, then only thousands of OSCE armed police will need 12-13 to protect the polling stations and support the process.”

“No amnesty to terrorists who have committed serious crimes, and their leaders! Admission of Ukrainian media and political parties to participate in the future electoral process! ”, Quotes the counselor RIA News.
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  1. +8
    22 October 2016 08: 47
    Kiev recognized the change in position in the Donbass: first the election, then - border control

    What progress has been made in the minds of some dillies ... it turns out the Minsk agreements need to be implemented.

    Who wants to laugh ... read smile
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    -rossiyu-v-sozdanii-severnogo-siyaniya-i-gotovyat
    -novye-sankcii.html
    1. +11
      22 October 2016 08: 56
      No amnesty for terrorists who have committed serious crimes, and their leaders!

      On our part, there is also such an opinion, at the expense of the Kiev junta .... Only we do not chat about this to the whole world, but just get ready! Run gentlemen, run ..

      This time, after the Second World War, mercy will not be unequivocal for you ..
      1. +4
        22 October 2016 09: 07
        The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, stated in the Verkhovna Rada that the elections in Donbass should be held before the border is transferred to Ukrainian border guards, UNIAN reports.

        Well, it seems that this "musical instrument" was also tuned ... smile We have a great tuner!
        1. 0
          23 October 2016 06: 29
          Do not flatter yourself! This "tool" can say anything, but it can in no way influence the herd of stoned people, whose "Fat was dropped!"
      2. 0
        22 October 2016 10: 08
        Was Petruhu really bent ?? Once he was so puffed up before .. relaxed and would have enjoyed. And so, sheer torment, from head to tail ..
        1. +4
          22 October 2016 12: 39
          Modern Ukraine is the case when the titmouse was released from the hands, and the crane also didn’t give a damn about the head. laughing
        2. 0
          22 October 2016 14: 28
          dmi.pris .... Is Petruhu really bent ??

          He was put in such a position initially.
          The whole world saw Biden hold the first meeting of the presidential administration of Ukraine, sitting in the chair of the new president - a vassal, allowing him to sit next to one side.
      3. 0
        22 October 2016 21: 00
        On our part, there is also such an opinion, at the expense of the Kiev junta .... Only we do not chat about this to the whole world, but just get ready! Run gentlemen, run ..

        ... will enter the world of anal ...


        STARPER, I understand that the picture is not yours, but nevertheless: if we are talking about the annals of history (in the broad sense - the record of the most significant events by years) - then this word is written with two letters "n", if we are talking about what is written about, it would be nice to clarify where the world anal is located and how phenomena enter it.
    2. +18
      22 October 2016 09: 13
      This is how the Normandy Four negotiations went in Berlin: fellow
      1. +1
        23 October 2016 00: 29
        Merkel: What will heer Peter tell us?
        Poroshenko: And what do you call names right away? Well ... we ... this ... well, as it were ... for Minsk in general ...
        Putin: (to himself) Come on, burn Petyun ...
        Oland: I’ll wink at Vladimir again if he looks at me ...
    3. 0
      22 October 2016 09: 52
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Who wants to laugh ... read

      Well, you have to invent this! I neigh wassat damn my stomach already ripped to spasm pancake wassat neighing laughing !!!
    4. 0
      22 October 2016 12: 53
      Who wants to laugh ... read

      Well, this is a fake from start to finish!))) Laugh, yes. Smishno. But such idiocy of officials and dignitaries is hard to believe. If there were links to these interviews, which "one journalist" published in one publication, and then "another journalist" ...
  2. +1
    22 October 2016 08: 47
    Conversations, received a slap in the face from the EU, now they remembered some agreements.
    1. +6
      22 October 2016 08: 52
      Yes to them to Europe. Yes The girl is currently dancing overseas uncle wassat And all this fuss with the Minsk Agreements has been going on for more than one year, and will, if America needs it, last even longer. So shouts of some vassals on others are like laughter laughing
      1. +3
        22 October 2016 13: 43
        Quote: Rurikovich
        The Minsk agreements have been lasting for more than one year, and will, if America needs it, last even longer.


        I agree. All these blah-blah of the notorious Klimkin are pure apart. None of the points of the Minsk treatise will be fulfilled - the Nazis will not allow the Verkhovna Rada. Valtsman - "Parsley" wadded on strings. Normalization in / in Ukraine is a failure of American plans. Europe is completely dependent on the states. Here's a picture.
        What to do? Officially recognize the LPR and the DPR, conclude agreements with them and spit on what the West will say. The sanctions will not be lifted in any way, and according to the recognition of Merkel and Hollande they are not effective.
        1. 0
          22 October 2016 15: 26
          what is the "chief"? The heads of the countries so distorted the news ...
    2. +2
      22 October 2016 09: 25
      Quote: Teberii
      Conversations, received a slap in the face from the EU, now they remembered some agreements.

      The most important thing is that even if the political part is completed, then all one after the elections and gaining control of the border will be cleansing! The National Battalions will be cleansed and Parashkin, modestly dull, will say that this is not done by the authorities (((((
  3. +2
    22 October 2016 08: 48
    Well, finally they were pushed to the understanding that, first of all, well, and what, aposlya. We will see
    1. +2
      22 October 2016 09: 03
      smile If you have already decided everything and calculated the situation three moves ahead, while the others, watching you closely, are pushing not only to change, but at least to guess the course of your thoughts - in this situation, it really remains to enjoy observation of observers)



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      e-dyavol-kroetsya-v-melochah.html
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    1. 0
      22 October 2016 09: 09
      Are civil planes still flying over this Somaliland?
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  5. +1
    22 October 2016 08: 55
    In short - "once a swan, cancer and pike" - everything will remain as it is
  6. +1
    22 October 2016 09: 00
    Nobody changed the Minsk agreements

    In all likelihood, Poroshenko, Merkel and Oland, nevertheless put in an enema that he did not expect. But here it is simply necessary to take into account the fact that an ordinary political "enema" will not help him. A glass of gramophone needles is required for a bucket of water. Then his brains will start working in the right direction and at the right speed.
  7. +10
    22 October 2016 09: 01
    Norman four hands and feet stuffing the Donbass into Ukraine.
    The full implementation of the Minsk agreements essentially means the surrender of LDNR to the Kiev authorities.
    Well, Donbass doesn’t need Putin, it’s a suitcase without a handle, an unfortunate splinter that never happened in New Russia! He wants to push this burden from his shoulders into Ukrainian.
    The most indecent thing about this is that Putin's fans declare it another victory, not a betrayal!
    1. +7
      22 October 2016 10: 02
      Well, Donbass doesn’t need Putin, it’s a suitcase without a handle,

      Give Putin the words when he said this.
      You're lying like usual.
      Putin said that there are our people and we will not leave them and will help. Sent a hundred convoys of a hundred trucks, sent volunteers.
      At the same time, he managed not to finally break with the West, not to drag Russia into a grueling war, did not put Ukraine on his neck (and finally transferred it to self-sufficiency), restored the armed forces and returned Crimea.
      For this alone, he can erect a monument and rename Petersburg to Putinburg. Just kidding.
      You seem to be a proponent of direct frontal solutions
      Go pay taxes first and serve in the army
      1. +7
        22 October 2016 12: 04
        Quote: Hupfri
        Give Putin the words when he said this.
        You're lying like usual.
        Putin said that there are our people and we will not leave them and will help.

        Cases are more eloquent than any words! Putin not only did not recognize the independence of Donbass, but also officially considers it the territory of Ukraine. And also, in spite of his promises not to offend the Russians, he gave the armed junta bloodshed and destroy the Donbass! People from Donetsk spoke directly, if they knew that Putin would not keep his promise, then they would not have started to fight against Kiev. Also take an interest in how the locals relate to the stupid truces imposed by Putin, Minsk-1 and Mins-2!
        Instead of New Russia, Putin created puppet, divided, unrecognized by two republics in which they shot all the old guards! Amazing selectivity!
        LDNR in the form in which this hour is an extremely unattractive territory! And the responsibility for this lies entirely with our president. Not that we wanted! Dreams of New Russia seem to remain dreams.

        To you a question! Please answer and say out loud what will happen to the Donbass when Ukraine fulfills all the conditions of Minsk-2. It seems to me you won’t do it.
        1. +2
          22 October 2016 16: 01
          Stas 157
          . After reading your opuses, I came to the conclusion that you are not at all in the subject, but write with a claim to an expert in this matter.
          The fulfillment of all points of Minsk-2 is a direct division of Ukraine into separate economic zones, with self-determination to whom to gravitate. Considering that Poroshenko was trying to create a centralized Russophobic state, Minsk-2 puts an end to this project. And do not forget about the Natsik. Such a section and the state system of Natsik Petec will not be forgiven. In the case of Minsk-2, the pets will hang on the Maidan, while the pets will hang by the neck.
          T e Minsk-2, this is that drop of nicotine that kills a horse, and the hamster tears to shreds. Given the post-Maidan transformation of unpredictable Ukraine into even more unpredictable Somaliland, then Minsk-2 is a completely normal situation in this case.
          Yes. I forgot completely. Minsk 2 at the same time show what our potential opponents are suitable for. And it shows what is good for nothing.
          1. +2
            24 October 2016 10: 54
            Quote: Douel
            T e Minsk-2, this is that drop of nicotine that kills a horse, and the hamster tears to shreds.

            You open the topic of how Minsk-2 will kill Ukraine, otherwise I don’t understand a fig! Federalization seems to have still not killed anyone, neither Russia nor the United States!
            Why are you so sure that this will be fatal for Ukraine? And if you don’t, then what song will you start singing? Because LDNR after that will definitely not be!
            1. 0
              24 October 2016 12: 44
              An idea with a single Kraina, from Krasnodar to the Carpathians. Moreover, it is strictly directed to the West and against the evil Horde Muscovites.
              If federalization happens, it will be like a confederation. Each economic region will determine its orientation with whom to do business, what language to speak and what laws will apply.
              That is, all this does not very much fit with the Nazis' wishes. Therefore, either a new tangle of time, with a new Maidan, or an attempt to fulfill Minsk-2 and a new Maidan. And this and that does not give legitimacy to the new "official" authorities with all the ensuing moments.
            2. 0
              24 October 2016 22: 29
              federalization does not kill anyone. But if it is not a crumbling and self-destructing country. The conditions of Minsk 2 by Ukraine are practically not feasible. Even if carried out, it will be necessary to investigate crimes committed by both parties. And if those who defend the Donbass in general do not have much to blame (well, if only for the little things (if you can call it that), then the junta’s activities are completely unlawful, as from the moment of its formation and in terms of the adoption of anti-constitutional laws, there are no guarantees and orders APU also come under many criminal offenses
      2. +5
        22 October 2016 12: 07
        Quote: Hupfri
        For this alone, he can put up a monument and rename Petersburg to Putinburg

        mdyayaya, and Grozny in kadyrgrad. Sometimes it seems to me that the world is going crazy.

        Stas 157 is absolutely right. Many do not understand or do not want to understand that it was Putin-Marmots who "strangled" the Russian Spring and buried the idea of ​​Novorossiya.
        And now they are really pushing the PDNR into the paws of the junta.
        And someone can imagine what will happen to those militias who, when carrying out the Minsk conspiracy, will undoubtedly be disarmed when the republics are again returned to potassium?
        But would my friend from Shakhtyorsk, who now sits in a dugout near Donetsk, guard his northern part, who had lost four colleagues from Kaklov’s shelling a week ago, want to go back to kaliya? Zaputintsy, along with Surkov, thought about this? Or did kissel-tv completely cloud your mind?
        But the very name of the People’s Republic is bone in the throat of oligarchic regimes.
        Quote: Hupfri
        Go pay taxes first and serve in the army

        After reading this vyser, I don’t feel like talking to this person.
    2. 0
      22 October 2016 11: 35
      Stas157, do you think that several Tochka-U missiles, which Joe Biden ordered to fire at Donetsk and Lugansk, themselves fell?
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  9. +2
    22 October 2016 09: 06
    There will be no elections on the territory of the DPR and LPR, the Banderlogists will not allow this, because this is a kirdyk for them. M. b. will hold an event with a similar name in the territories under their control in the southeast "der Ukrainische Reich", with the subsequent manipulation of the results.
  10. +3
    22 October 2016 09: 19
    What is the use of talking with them is a waste of time, they only spread rot their own people ...
  11. +4
    22 October 2016 09: 28
    This Marlezon ballet is for a long time. Kiev does not need Donbass, because you have to pay, and Donbass does not need Kiev, no one wants to live with killers. Therefore, Europe has gotten involved, thanks again to the United States.
    1. +1
      22 October 2016 09: 53
      Therefore, Europe has gotten involved, thanks again to the United States.
      And what is Europe?
      They have some problems with finances and Arabs.
      HOW can Ukraine harm Europe? But no way.
      1. 0
        26 November 2016 14: 11
        Really?)) Do not forget how much this ruin now owes to Europe? And there is nothing to give. In addition, in the winter they will take and again steal gas. Who will freeze? Europe. What about sanctions? They are because of the Ruins! What sanctions are highly praised in Europe? Something is not heard. )) We need to extend our years on 5. Maybe they themselves will offer to take back the Ruin and also pay extra))
  12. 0
    22 October 2016 09: 39
    Klimkin read your previous statements on the Minsk agreements. You probably have something in mind. Or you at the negotiations in Berlin for the last time pinched something. From here and such statements.
  13. +4
    22 October 2016 09: 41
    They wrapped Poroshenko’s tail behind closed doors, now they are creating a form of violent activity, and things will remain there ...
  14. +2
    22 October 2016 09: 47
    Hi!!.
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    What progress has been made in the minds of some dillies ... it turns out the Minsk agreements need to be implemented.

    Nothing has changed in the position of Kiev .. There are no levers that could force the Minsk Accords to be implemented. So they will stagnate. I have already heard more than once about these Agreements as formal .. So gentlemen from Kiev interpret it.
  15. 0
    22 October 2016 09: 49
    So, we are waiting for another provocation, the result of which will be the accusation of Donbass and Russia of all mortal sins and the impossibility of holding elections. Or another option: elections will be held, but Kiev and mattresses will not recognize their results, such as a referendum in Crimea. The elections and the recognition of their results for Kiev are similar, since it takes LDNR from the category of occupied territories to equal state entities
  16. 0
    22 October 2016 09: 50
    In his opinion, “it will be impossible to hold elections in the next two to three years,

    Yes, he is an optimist.
    Years 10, 20 ....
    By the way, what about the change in legislation towards federalization?
  17. 0
    22 October 2016 10: 17
    what is the OSCE, YES at the moment, NOTHING, doesn’t decide what, yapping about and without it, and do you really need this sharashka to PEACE ?????? Again, the UN sounds well, yes, proudly, but it just doesn’t solve anything on the case without mattresses and footcloths, so why should the EUROSIAN UNION and the SCO countries keep this afloat?
  18. 0
    22 October 2016 10: 23
    This logic was originally laid down in the Minsk agreements, and has never been changed by anyone, ”Klimkin added.

    Dokat, or pretends to dokat.
    The muddy top of ukrohunta "decides the fate", D, B! laughing
  19. 0
    22 October 2016 10: 56
    Hollande on the implementation of "Minsk": first - elections in Donbass, then Ukraine will regain control of the border

    It seems that even friends already understand their mistakes and begin to get nervous
  20. +5
    22 October 2016 11: 05
    The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Pavel Klimkin, said in the Verkhovna Rada that the elections in Donbass should be held before the border is transferred to Ukrainian border guards, reports
    Yeah. And then poop to the polls. The disarmament of the LDNR army and the destruction of militias. Unarmed.
  21. 0
    22 October 2016 12: 23
    I understood everything, I didn’t understand one thing, where is the interest of Putin, Merkel, Hollande, or is this trinity only altruists hovering for world peace?
    1. +1
      22 October 2016 15: 21
      The interest of all three of the above politicians in changing the category of conflict in the Donbass: from international to internal. Simply put: you need a legal justification to state something like this: it’s a civil war, not aggression from outside, so let Ukraine understand it herself. For France and Germany, this is an excellent occasion to send mattresses away with anti-Russian sanctions. Well, for Russia, I think I don’t even have to explain.
      1. 0
        2 November 2016 18: 52
        Quote: Moor
        For France and Germany, this is an excellent occasion to send mattresses away with anti-Russian sanctions. Well, for Russia, I think I don’t even have to explain.
        I deeply doubt that 100% of the French and Germans are interested in lifting the sanctions, that in general they harm these countries; I have no doubt, but I’m sure that enough politicians and businessmen are interested in extending the sanctions. Unfortunately, common sense, the economic benefit of the state, has its own pocket for politics Big thanks for the comment.
  22. +1
    22 October 2016 19: 06
    So Petya in Berlin is still not a little detskoy bent. And then Ukrainians everywhere in all forums screamed about the next greatest breakthrough over Putin and that supposedly only one question was discussed in Berlin - about the withdrawal by Russia of its invisible regular army from the territory of Donbass and the transfer of the border to Kiev.
    Without this they say no Minsk process is possible.
    So I was always interested in the question: HOW should Russia transfer this section of the Russian-Ukrainian border, under the control of Kiev?
    Probably the Russian border guards should enter the territory of Ukraine, drive Donbass militias from the border, and then with music transfer the key to the border to the Ukrainian border guards.
    Dreams of a freebie again? No lads themselves, themselves, themselves. You can take control, take it, you yell that you have the most powerful army in Europe.
    You can not, do not fight.
  23. +2
    22 October 2016 19: 33
    Yes, the election is not a problem. What is it all about? Compare the Foreign Ministry statement and opinion on Facebook? Yeah .. equivalent.
    And the fact that the Regions have been stuffed into Ukraine for 3 years under the guise of KhPP, and Ukraine wants only on its own terms and that’s the whole problem. And everything is all about recognition, bombing Kiev, some Zhidobandera people .. trivial sale buying in the world of capitalism
  24. +1
    22 October 2016 21: 02
    Quote: meriem1
    The National Battalions will be cleansed and Parashkin, modestly dull, will say that this is not done by the authorities (((((

    As soon as they send OSCE personnel there, the slaughter will immediately begin ((Both the DPR and LPR did not ask whether they wanted it or not, but they cannot want it and they can be understood. In short, it never got better. which only cut ... ((
  25. 0
    23 October 2016 07: 52
    This 3,14 daras Klimkin, perhaps, should be married to a "hemp aunt" in Kursk, where this idiot comes from.
  26. +1
    23 October 2016 18: 48
    Actually, according to Minsk, the armed forces of the republics will have to control the border. Control will be only formal.
    But this still will not happen, Donbass is already de facto Russia.
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