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The size of the "Syrian free army" after the invasion of Turkey tripled

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Turkish News Agency Anadolu reports on the continuing invasion of Turkish troops in Syria, called the “Euphrates Shield”. The material tells that since the beginning of the operation the ranks of the so-called Syrian Free (Liberation) Army (SSA) have significantly expanded. The news agency cites the statement of the commander of the SSA division, Murad Shikhly:
If at the beginning of the operation the number of our fighters was one thousand, now there are about three thousand of us. We are confidently moving towards our goal. Neither Daesh (Islamic State) (banned in the Russian Federation) nor the PYD (Kurdish armed groups) can prevent us, because we believe in our strength. Of course, we owe all of this support to Turkey, including logistics.





According to Murad Shikhly, many of those representatives of the FSA who some time ago moved to Turkey are now returning to Syrian territory again to resume the “armed struggle.”

The operation "The Euphrates Shield", conducted by Turkish troops, looks very "original." It was declared as an operation against the igilovtsev. At the same time, the igilovtsy with the Turkish army did not engage in fighting in the north of Syria. As soon as the Turks approached a particular settlement, the militants of the so-called “Islamic State” left the settlement and retreated deep into the SAR. On the other hand, Turkish troops are engaged in active hostilities with Kurdish self-defense units opposing ISIL. Against this background, as Shikhly confirmed today, the number of SSAs is growing, which is positioned as a “moderate opposition”, but which also strangely bypasses possible clashes with ISIL, putting maximum effort into fighting against the Syrian Kurds.

Official Damascus, the actions of Turkey in the north of Syria calls the occupation of the country.
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  1. potroshenko
    potroshenko 21 October 2016 15: 00
    +10
    Did someone expect another?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 21 October 2016 15: 13
      +6
      Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 21 October 2016 15: 15
        +5
        Quote: Tatiana
        Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

        I will not believe in the short-sightedness of our president!
        Have you heard recently, at least one condemning word in the direction of Turkey, from Putin’s lips? - Me not. That says a lot.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 October 2016 16: 53
          +8
          There is a big "game" and a lot is at stake, I hope our management knows what they are doing.
      2. potroshenko
        potroshenko 21 October 2016 15: 49
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana
        Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

        It’s not at all like that, otherwise they would have raised a tantrum before the entry of Turkish troops.
      3. The black
        The black 21 October 2016 15: 52
        +10
        Quote: Tatiana
        Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

        It is not that simple. The Turks invaded not only Syria, but also Iraq, where the pro-American government is in power. To fight with Syria, Iraq, the Kurds inside Turkey and beyond, and even with Russia, the navel will unleash. There is a very complex political game for whom and how it will end - it is unknown
        1. OLD FART
          OLD FART 21 October 2016 16: 35
          +3
          Quote: Black
          Quote: Tatiana
          Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

          It is not that simple. The Turks invaded not only Syria, but also Iraq, where the pro-American government is in power. To fight with Syria, Iraq, the Kurds inside Turkey and beyond, and even with Russia, the navel will unleash. There is a very complex political game for whom and how it will end - it is unknown

          I also really hope so ... Turks with Russia are not profitable to conflict! Soon, our squadron will be driven to the shores of Syria ... I hope a great war does not start ... God bless Russia and Syria!
      4. DMB_95
        DMB_95 21 October 2016 16: 14
        +2
        Quote: Tatiana
        Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

        Well, this is - if our interests are rigidly intersected (as with the downed SU-24) and no one wants (or cannot) give in or "close their eyes." In the meantime, in this War, all sides are striving to solve their main tasks. Kurds are less important to us than to Turkey.
  2. Wolverine
    Wolverine 21 October 2016 15: 09
    +1
    Whoever doubts, the Turks think one thing, do another, imply a third. You need to convincingly take off talking in the sense of strength.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 21 October 2016 15: 40
      +6
      The Turkish Armed Forces are the so-called "Syrian Free Army" .. More precisely, its "branch" or, as they say now, a daughter.
    2. Iskander Sh
      Iskander Sh 21 October 2016 16: 12
      +4
      Syria is at their side, besides there are anti-Turkish forces there - Kurds. They will pursue their own policies in Syria, without looking at others. It’s like with Russia in Ukraine. This needs to be understood and taken into account, and not waved a saber like Bush-ml did.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 21 October 2016 23: 28
        +1
        Quote: dmi.pris
        The Turkish Armed Forces are the so-called "Syrian Free Army" .. More precisely, its "branch" or, as they say now, a daughter.

        Indeed, but if we finally understand family ties, I want to remind you that Turkey is a very powerful military grouping of the southern flank of NATO. With its regional ambitions, color and other troubles. But the intricacies of Turkish foreign policy have little effect on the degree of integration of the country in military block.
        Therefore, when experts or simply propagandists predict the likelihood of a war between Russia and NATO, it is completely overlooked that NATO (in the person of the militants trained by it without family (sort of) and without a tribe (also kind of) is already in Syria, instructors and rangers are also there. A secret hybrid war, but our pilots and ground specialists fell in battles with NATO, and Turkomans, "gray wolves" and moderate ones are just details and specifics of such conflicts.
        Moreover, the damage to the civilian Russian population is minimal (there is a definite plus). But our army and navy have to fight in unfavorable conditions. First you need to very carefully influence the enemy, and he’s a scoundrel mixed up in the middle of a peace. You need reconnaissance and expensive tools. us there in the person of the Assad soldier is weakened, now he fights like a Lion, then he suddenly loses his conquered position.
        Strains controlled by NATO and their numerous forces deployed in Southern Europe with the skill to act on a single plan, threateningly hang over our ships and planes. Therefore, our military presence is not just a flag demonstration and an international mission, but a harsh test. Everyone who lives in Russia now, kids throws up into the sky, makes bright plans for the future I must say thanks to our Red Navy and infantry in dusty gymnasts. Why ..? _ Because there would be no Syria, the NATO infection would have climbed elsewhere on our freedom and life itself.
  3. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 21 October 2016 15: 20
    +1
    With the Ottomans, you always need to keep an ace up your sleeve, you can’t do otherwise with them. Those are also scammers.
  4. raid14
    raid14 21 October 2016 15: 23
    0
    With Turkey's help, is the Syrian "moderate opposition" multiplying by budding? It was three thousand now, it's time to carry out vivisection.
    1. win
      win 21 October 2016 20: 12
      +2
      It was three thousand became


      Some pigs always interfere with acorns to grow

  5. Babermetis
    Babermetis 21 October 2016 15: 29
    +5
    This is the refugees returning to their homeland. This indicates the beginning of stabilization of the situation, after the introduction of the Turkish army. And the fact that they are armed and their 3000 people - the main thing is how many of this rabble are warriors.
    1. Iskander Sh
      Iskander Sh 21 October 2016 16: 24
      +1
      Armed refugees laughing
  6. svp67
    svp67 21 October 2016 15: 37
    +3
    We will not be able to interfere ....... PYD (Kurdish armed units), because we believe in our strength. Of course, we owe all of this to the support of Turkey, including logistics.
    With Turkey's resources behind its back, of course, you can say so, but the opposing side is also "good" ... this one has to fight in such a way that you won't understand them in war or HOW? "Circus tent", with dancing on the rooftops and shooting from weapons to nowhere, but if only to that steppe ... so to fight, especially at someone else's expense, can be forever, which in principle they do.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 21 October 2016 17: 35
      0
      Quote: svp67
      This one has to fight in such a way that you won't understand them in war or HOW? "Shapito circus"



      And let me ask: on a trolley - a sickle with a hammer ... This - what do they mean? The same as with us before?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 October 2016 17: 52
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        The same as with us before?

        Well, a communist ideology, most likely the same thing.
      2. svp67
        svp67 21 October 2016 19: 40
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        And let me ask: on a trolley - a sickle with a hammer ... This - what do they mean? The same as with us before?

        Well actually yes. There is such a Worker Party of Kurdistan (PKK) a very powerful force in the struggle for an independent Kurdistan. In its appearance, formation and vital activity, the USSR was of HUGE importance, read about it in nete, there are a lot of interesting things there. But it mainly operates on the territory of Turkey itself, but in other countries (Syria and Iraq) there are similar parties related to it, especially strong in Syria. They are so kindred that in fact it is one and the same.
        1. Scorpio05
          Scorpio05 21 October 2016 21: 50
          +3
          In general, ideologically, they are rather close to the Maoists. Leftists, marginalized, are very close to North Korean political doctrine. The leader of the PKK, Abdullah Ocalan (ironically, he is half Kurd, his mother is Turkish), stolen by the Turkish secret services from Kenya, where he took refuge in the Greek embassy. Ocalan is a Kurdish version of Kim Jong-un. The PKK is an extremely radical party that does not recognize any other means of struggle than guerrilla action, terror, and permanent revolution.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 21 October 2016 22: 13
            0
            Quote: Scorpio05
            stolen by Turkish secret services from Kenya

            Well, many sources claim that not only the Turkish special services, but also Israel and Kenya participated in his abduction.
            Until 1998, Ocalan, using the patronage of the Syrian authorities, lived in Damascus; however, in October 1998, Syrian President Hafez al-Assad, under pressure from Ankara, was forced to ask Ocalan to leave the country, and he, after unsuccessful attempts to find asylum in Russia, Italy and Greece, was kidnapped on February 15, 1999 by Turkish intelligence services, with the help of Israeli secret services in Kenya, handed over to the Turkish secret services and placed in a Turkish prison on the island of Imrali in the Sea of ​​Marmara.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B6%
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  7. Shuttle
    Shuttle 21 October 2016 15: 41
    +3
    Quote: Tatiana
    Yes, it seems that the Russian Federation will still have to fight with Erdogan's Turkey!

    Turkish Kurds will fight with Turkey. They will receive reinforcements either directly from Assad or through someone else's good hands.
    Assad’s army and our VKS will continue to fight with the SSA.
    The Turks will not dare to fight Assad directly. Only through CCA.
    If only nobody had thought of inciting the Syrian Kurds into Turkish. Well, on Assad. This is where the diplomatic slalom will be. But it is also necessary to utilize the columns of barmaley arriving from Mosul.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 October 2016 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Shuttle
      Turkish Kurds will fight with Turkey

      So in Turkey itself, the Kurdish operations do not stop, and the "rear" of the PKK is still in Syria.
    2. Iskander Sh
      Iskander Sh 21 October 2016 16: 17
      +1
      The Kurds now have their allies in the person of the USA and England. At the expense of Assad, I doubt that it is in his interests, the Kurds want Kurdistan and now this goal is very close. Iraq and Syria are destabilized, and the Turks quarreled with the United States. The Kurds now have something to offer the United States, due to the fact that the United States does not really want to increase the number of troops to stabilize these areas, the Kurds can become their ground force. So it’s unlikely that Assad should increase support for the Kurds if he wants to leave Syria united.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 16: 47
        0
        Quote: Iskander Sh
        The Kurds now have their allies in the person of the USA and England.

        Well, do not exaggerate the Kurds are also different, for example, the PKK which fights against Syrian terrorists as well as the Turkish regime and whose bases are also located in Syria only wants wide autonomy within the united state of Syria.
        The creation of the great Kurdistan is mainly pushed by the KDP under the leadership of Barzani, based in Iraq, where she has now created a virtually independent Kurdish entity.
        1. protoss
          protoss 21 October 2016 16: 58
          0
          don’t need la-la, just the RPK stands for the big Kurdistan, and Barzani is quite satisfied with his own local Iraqi Kurdistan with deposits and a pipe to Turkey. and other parasites in the form of Syrian famine and even local Iraqi Yezidis he does not need nafig.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 21 October 2016 17: 10
            0
            Quote: protoss
            don’t need la-la, just the RPK stands for the big Kurdistan,

            The PKK was mainly based in Syria and advocated the creation of an INDEPENDENT state of Kurdistan. But the areas inhabited by Kurds located in Syria were supposed to be there and it was still a question of living Kurds in Turkey.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 October 2016 15: 43
    +5
    The Kurds decided to play along with the Amers, in exchange for promises of autonomy, probably. Assad does not need this at all. To the Turks, too. So the suppression of the Kurds by the hands of the Turkomans, and the Russians "close their eyes" to Turkish tricks. Assad needs to free Aleppo. To squeeze out the barmaley into the desert, under the bombs of the Aerospace Forces. And then with the Turks, and with the Turkomans, and with all the others - there will be time to sort it out.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 October 2016 18: 16
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Turks - too

      The Turks are not opposed to the formation of Kurdistan - BUT ONLY IN THE TERRITORIES OF SYRIA Iraq and Iran.
      They are sharply against the entry into the Kurdistan of the territories on which the Kurds live inside Turkey itself.
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT 21 October 2016 16: 00
    0
    Turks in Syria are only "for the sake of the Kurds". Vova has already promised a piece of the pie, first of all, Russian and Turkish companies will work with post-war Syria, Turkey can play a significant role in the political settlement, and no one needs Kurds, besides the United States. The main thing is that the sultan does not climb into Aleppo and does not allow the Kurds to unite.
    1. protoss
      protoss 21 October 2016 17: 11
      +1
      it’s very interesting what Russian companies will work in Syria and what will they do there? there is not much oil, therefore, there’s nothing for us to work there. nor we will be engaged in agriculture or light industry there, not our horse.
      after such destruction there, at the end of the war, the construction industry would become the most important by 10 years, but this is only possible if the opposition wins - because such a large-scale construction can only be financed by the Arabian monarchies, and only Turkish construction firms can complete it. no one else in the region has such technological, labor and logistic capabilities.
      1. Iskander Sh
        Iskander Sh 21 October 2016 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: protoss
        because such a large-scale construction can only be financed by the Arabian monarchies


        And without Saud, everyone will be sitting in ruined houses, or what? They will recover as much as possible and you can earn on this.

        Quote: protoss
        and to execute - only Turkish construction companies.


        The Turks are certainly known for their construction companies, but there is no need to say that Russia or the Syrians are not able to build.
        1. protoss
          protoss 21 October 2016 18: 31
          +2
          Quote: Iskander Sh
          Will recover as much as possible

          and quickly recover without money?
          no need to say that Russia or the Syrians do not know how to build

          to build we need building materials, will we take them from Russia on the "Syrian Express" or by plane instead of the C300? and at the same time we will move Tajiks and Uzbeks from our construction sites there.
          and we will hire the same Turks as subcontractors, as at the construction site of the Olympiad, Universiade, Moscow City, etc., etc.
          only now we have no money for enka and renaissance
          1. Iskander Sh
            Iskander Sh 21 October 2016 19: 36
            0
            Quote: protoss
            and quickly recover without money?


            But they will still be recovering, at what rate is the tenth thing.

            Quote: protoss
            from Russia on the "Syrian Express" we will take you or by plane


            Since when it was not possible to charter vessels for transportation?

            Quote: protoss
            and at the same time we will relocate Tajiks with Uzbeks from our construction sites there.


            Syrians as workers, in principle, are not considered?

            Quote: protoss
            we will hire the Turks as subcontractors, as at the construction site of the Olympiad, Universiade, Moscow City


            Do you want to say that only Turks are building in Russia?

            There would be orders, but people and opportunities will be found. You write some kind of game from the category "destroyed all polymers".
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 18: 44
        +1
        Quote: protoss
        it’s very interesting what Russian companies will work in Syria and what will they do there?

        When restoring Syria, Damascus will rely on Russia, China, Iran, even if the West wants to participate, Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview with RIA Novosti.
        “The recovery process is in any case beneficial to those companies that participate in it, especially if they manage to get loans from those countries that support them. Of course, we expect that the process will be based on the three main states that supported Syria during this crisis - these are Russia, China and Iran. But I believe that many countries that were against Syria - I mean, first of all, Western countries - will try to send their companies to participate in this process. However, for us in Syria there is no doubt that we will turn to friendly countries first, "Assad said.

        https://ria.ru/syria/20160330/1399838491.html

        Apparently Assad believes that he will have something to pay for the restoration of his country.
        1. protoss
          protoss 21 October 2016 18: 50
          +3
          there is nothing to pay him except loyalty. the Chinese will not give a broken yuan for this, Iran does not have much money and opportunities to invest in itself until the sanctions are lifted.
          Russia remains - read my comment above.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 21 October 2016 19: 03
            +1
            Quote: protoss
            read my comment above.

            Well, your comment above is just an assumption, because Assad has been fighting for five years now, which means that they have received their own money or loans in Syria. Moreover, the main industrial enterprises and ports remained behind Assad.
            1. protoss
              protoss 21 October 2016 19: 13
              +2
              It’s not him who fights for a long time, but Iran, Hezbah and Russia. and for all three it’s very expensive.
              the main industrial enterprises are either destroyed or how Aleppo are exported abroad. ports are important when there is something to ship to / from. labor resources were also significantly reduced - half a million corpses, 7 million dumped outside Syria, FIG knows how many people are disabled.
              there is no way out without external economic assistance. only the Arabians have money for such assistance, but they will not give their assad.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 21 October 2016 21: 56
                0
                Quote: protoss
                It’s not him who fights for a long time, but Iran, Hezbah and Russia. .

                And where did you get such nonsense?
                Quote: protoss
                the main industrial enterprises are either destroyed or how Aleppo are exported abroad.

                The main Syrian industry remained in Latakia under Assad control.
      3. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 19: 09
        +1
        Quote: protoss
        but this is only possible if the opposition wins - because such a large-scale construction can only be financed by the Arabian monarchies, and only Turkish construction firms can complete it. no one else in the region has such technological, labor and logistic capabilities.

        And before the war, who was building in Syria? Martians or what?
        The Syrians themselves have built all their cities and are now rebuilt, including with the help of friends.
        1. protoss
          protoss 21 October 2016 19: 19
          0
          themselves - this is 30-40 years, unless, of course, friends have easy money before.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 21 October 2016 21: 53
            0
            Quote: protoss
            yourself - it's 30-40 years

            And how much was the USSR rebuilt after the Great Patriotic War?
            So in Syria the same thing.
            1. protoss
              protoss 21 October 2016 23: 25
              0
              a joyful prospect for the Syrians
  10. Moor
    Moor 21 October 2016 16: 14
    0
    "- Jenkins ...
    “Uh ... sir?”
    “Don't you know what a sergeant is?”
    “Well ... I'm just studying ...”
    “The sergeants don't have mothers. You can ask anyone who is trained. - He blew a cloud of smoke in our direction. "They multiply by fission ... like all bacteria ..."


    Robert Heinlein "Star Infantry"
  11. Lavrenti Pavlovich
    Lavrenti Pavlovich 21 October 2016 16: 31
    0
    All according to plan. Kurds crave for Kurdistan - Turks will lower them to the ground. The main thing to take quickly Aleppo. SSA, unlike ISIS, will flee to Turkey or even further at the first VKS strikes. But the Turks are not going anywhere from us.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 21 October 2016 17: 27
      0
      The SSA is in Allepo. wink
  12. Grbear
    Grbear 21 October 2016 16: 44
    0
    Maybe the Syrian Kurds, and the Iraqi ones too, will understand that in the sea of ​​Western capital under the control of NATO (read the states) they will not see not only independence, but also life.
    And Assad will deal with the Turks in due time. Syria has not seen this in its history. hi
    1. protoss
      protoss 21 October 2016 17: 13
      +3
      and what is this for its short history that Syria has seen, so that it can be assumed that Assad will deal with Turkey.
      maybe he will also deal with Israel, since such a hero.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 19: 20
        0
        Quote: protoss
        maybe he’ll deal with Israel,

        Yes, yes, yes, remember, the great and mighty Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates, a superpower that eclipsed everything on Earth lol
        1. protoss
          protoss 21 October 2016 19: 46
          +1
          I don’t know what kind of map this is, but Assad that with Turkey, that with Israel can not cope.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 21 October 2016 21: 46
            0
            Quote: protoss
            I don’t know what kind of card this is,

            This is a map of the great Israel as represented by the Jews.
            1. Glock
              Glock 21 October 2016 22: 44
              0
              Padded jacket, are you a Jew or something ???
            2. protoss
              protoss 21 October 2016 23: 21
              0
              Quote: quilted jacket
              This is a map of the great Israel as represented by the Jews.

              uh, but I thought it was the Babylonian kingdom under Nebuchadnezzar wink
      2. Scorpio05
        Scorpio05 21 October 2016 21: 56
        0
        Really interesting) Well noticed
  13. weksha50
    weksha50 21 October 2016 17: 26
    +1
    "Official Damascus calls Turkey's actions in northern Syria the occupation of the country"...

    Naturally ... not even veiled ...
    Erdogan decides three things: he fights the Kurds, helps the "moderate" opposition with the aim of replacing Assad, and also secures part of the territory of Syria ... Figs you will expel him from Syria now ...

    No matter how respectful I was towards Putin, but here I don’t understand something ... Well, it’s not a strategist or a politician ... But it’s all the same unpleasant ... Erdogan will betray-substitute-a heap merde will impose .. .
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 October 2016 18: 08
      +6
      Quote: weksha50
      Erdogan decides three things: fighting the Kurds,

      Yes, although all the articles on this site are heading, saying that Erdogan said that he would fight against ISIS, and that he was at war against the Kurds. Well, actually Erdogan said ISIS and Kurds from the very beginning. take them.
      Quote: weksha50
      helps the "moderate" opposition to replace Assad,

      The Turks have not had such a goal for a long time, it used to be, right now everyone understands that at least the regions with the Alavites will definitely be controlled by Assad and he will not go anywhere and Russia cannot merge him.
      Quote: weksha50
      also secures a part of the territory of Syria ..

      Yes, it fixates, after all, there are Turkmens, the rest Arabs are the same Sunnis as the Turks, so Turkey will be able to influence them.
      Quote: weksha50
      No matter how respectful I was towards Putin, but here I don’t understand something ... Well, it’s not a strategist or a politician ... But it’s all the same unpleasant ... Erdogan will betray-substitute-a heap merde will impose .. .

      Yes, everything is very clear. You simply think in terms of hurray patriots of this site about the omnipotent RF with unlimited possibilities, so to speak nostalgia for the USSR, only even the USSR had its own limit, and from Turkey they made a country that supposedly lives stupidly at the expense of tomatoes and tourists, everything was blocked, but no, Turkey didn’t fall apart and there were no protests. Here is a big mistake. Turkey is a powerful country in all aspects and has a great influence in that region and the parties just AGREED
      This Baghdasarov can yell Assad will return Syria, they say foreign terrorists everywhere. No. Most of them are local, this is a real civil war on the basis of religion. And Assad stupidly is not enough soldiers to control such vast open spaces, a civil war has been going on for several years and is sharing Syria with maximum benefits for themselves.
      Do you believe that the Russian Federation and Syria will be able to bombard the Kurdish areas where US military bases with their special forces and equipment are located ??? No, the United States staked out this place.
      Turkey, too, will not be able to move far to the Kurds; the United States will not let them squeeze out as much as they can afford.

      And the Kurds have a unique property that everyone hates them. And ISIS and ASAD and SSA. And at this point everyone can agree. But once again I say this is the offspring of the United States, therefore it is unclear. Nobody will go directly there if there are American bases, and they haven’t gone anywhere and are standing there.
      1. protoss
        protoss 21 October 2016 18: 57
        0
        the Syrian Kurds, and even then only the eastern part, would have some prospects if they went under the barzani (this one would have reconciled them with Turkey and the igil), but most likely he does not need them, because . the exhaust from them is zero, and they come to eat from his table. plus their brains are already so poisoned by the anarcho-communist nonsense from the RPK that it is too late to re-educate them.
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 19: 43
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        You just think in categories of cheers on this site.

        Oh, oh, you can immediately see our invincible Turk appeared smile
        Why are you, without "shouts" - a Jew and an Azeri brothers forever? Not good lol
        Quote: Yeraz
        And the Kurds have a unique property that everyone hates them

        Well, not everyone in Turkey loves them very, very much.
        Turkish President Erdogan and Iraqi Kurdistan President Masoud Barzani.

        Quote: Yeraz
        and ASAD

        Bashar al-Assad: the smell of the Third World War in Syria

        "TVNZ": Regarding the Kurdish question. I was in Kamyshli, I know that they want a federation as an ideal image of the state. As well as in Russia, where many nationalities are united in one federation. Why can't Syria become a federation? None of the Syrian Kurds told me about separatism or an independent state. They said: we want to be in Syria, but we want autonomy. Do you agree with that? They are good fighters against ISIS.

        B. Assad: Let's clarify the different sides of this issue. Firstly, we cannot speak with only one part of the Kurds, without taking into account all the local Kurds, as well as all Armenians, Chechens, Turks, Arabs. Most Kurds do not ask for autonomy. Only part of them.

        "TVNZ": I do not mean the Kurds living in Damascus ...

        B. Assad: Yes, but I mean even those who live in the north. Only a part of them speak of autonomy. And then, if we are talking about federalism or any other system, this should be part of the constitution. And the constitution expresses the will of the Syrian people. Therefore, if they need a special political system in Syria, they must convince the Syrians themselves of this. They cannot discuss this only with me ...

        "TVNZ": Do you mean that you need a referendum?

        B. Assad: The political system of Syria does not belong to me. We need a general popular referendum that says yes or no. Secondly, those who speak of Kurdish federalism do not take into account the fact that the majority of the population in the north are Arabs. How then can one speak of Kurdish federalism in the north of the country?

        "TVNZ": But do you have contacts with the Kurds?

        B. Assad: Yes, we are doing business with them, we are negotiating

        "TVNZ": Are you negotiating with them?

        B. Assad: Of course. Is always. And we supported them during the war against ISIS. They sent weapons, and your army knows all these details.
        http://www.kp.ru/daily/26594/3609876/
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 21 October 2016 19: 49
          +1
          Bashar al-Assad: the smell of the Third World War in Syria

          "TVNZ": It’s very strange for me that ISIS, with its ideology, never threatens Israel, and Israel never threatens it. It looks like some kind of agreement between them - maybe it's not friendship, but neutrality. Why is this so? And what is the role of Israel in this war?

          B. Assad: Not only ISIS, not only An-Nusra (banned in Russia. - Ed.), But any terrorist with a machine gun in his hands who kills and destroys Syria is supported by Israel. Sometimes Israel does this indirectly, passing secret information to terrorists, and sometimes by direct intervention when it strikes at the positions of the Syrian army. Why? Because Israel looks at Syria as an enemy. And for them, any weakening of the state, army and society of Syria does not allow the peace process to advance, the price of which is the return of the occupied Golan Heights. So for them, when Syria is busy with something else, it cannot deal with the problem of the Golan Heights and the peace process. She cannot do anything to regain her land. And therefore, Israel supports any terrorist, and there is no contradiction between Israel and any organization like Al-Nusra, ISIS, or any group associated with al-Qaeda.
          http://www.kp.ru/daily/26594/3609876/

          Video version of the interview with Bashar al-Assad:
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 October 2016 20: 44
            +2
            Very characteristic interview. Thank.
            It can be seen that the Syrian president is a completely inadequate politician.
            He figuratively has a "noose around his neck" - Islamists, and he worries about a callus on the heel:
            Golan.
            1. OLD FART
              OLD FART 21 October 2016 20: 59
              +4
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Very characteristic interview. Thank.
              It can be seen that the Syrian president is a completely inadequate politician.
              He figuratively has a "noose around his neck" - Islamists, and he worries about a callus on the heel:
              Golan.

              He is thinking about the future ...! And as a politician he is very competent and strong-willed ... No wonder you are so afraid of him all ... hi Hold on Assad ...!
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 21 October 2016 21: 49
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              It can be seen that the Syrian president is a completely inadequate politician.
              He figuratively has a "noose around his neck" - Islamists, and he worries about a callus on the heel:
              Golan.

              Assad is a realist who has been fighting terrorists for five years and whose support is the Israeli regime, which incidentally captured the Golan and occupied Palestine.
  14. protoss
    protoss 21 October 2016 17: 49
    +4
    The result of the Turkish invasion of Syria will be the gradual transition of all armed opposition groups under the SSA flag. first, the Turkmens from Sultan Murad and Nureddin Zengi, then the Arabs from Ahrar and Jaysh al Islam, etc., then the Turks will disband An-Nusra, since she was registered as a terrorist in the UN, and they will transfer the militants from there. julani and co, of course, will remain, but they will have few fighters. and in the course of the "war" with the igils from there, too, gradually people will pass under the SSA.
    thus, as a result, there should appear a kind of large united opposition, which everyone recognizes as very moderate, it will have tens of thousands of fighters and a significant part of the territory of Syria. and this opposition will sit down at the negotiating table with Assad, and they will decide how to cut the country into pieces.
  15. Lelek
    Lelek 21 October 2016 18: 25
    +2
    (Operation Shield of the Euphrates, carried out by Turkish troops, looks very “original.” It was declared as an operation against the Ishilovites. At the same time, the Ishilovites and the Turkish army did not enter the fighting in the north of Syria. As soon as the Turks approached a particular locality, the militants the so-called “Islamic State” this settlement was left and retreated deep into the SAR. But Turkish troops are actively fighting with Kurdish self-defense units opposing ISIS.)

    Well, that's to be expected. To believe in a Turk is not to respect yourself and not to take care of your back. In vain Russia agreed to a partial alliance with Turkey on Syria. Erdogan rushes to the oil-bearing regions of Syria. If earlier he received oil from ISIS for a minimal payment, now he intends to receive it for free. We must stop this "partner" and expand the zone of Russian interests in Syria officially. The Turks in Syria already have one base, while the United States already has three and neither one nor the other has been invited by the Syrian government.
    1. protoss
      protoss 21 October 2016 19: 04
      0
      Quote: Lelek
      It was declared as an operation against the Ishilovites.

      it was stated as an operation against terrorists and the Turks immediately stated that ypg (rpk) was no better for them than igles.
      Syria's oil-bearing regions are not of particular interest because of their insignificance; Erdogan is interested in Mosul and Kirkuk, but this is in Iraq.
      about the invitations of the Syrian government you can not remember - not every invitation should be accepted and you do not always need to wait for an invitation. Assad and his government in the eyes of the Turks, Americans, Saudis, etc. long been illegitimate.
      1. Scorpio05
        Scorpio05 21 October 2016 22: 12
        +1
        Exactly, lady flowers, ice cream for kids. The interests of Turkey. In Syria, these are Kurds, the rest is secondary. In Iraq, these are Mosul and Kerkuk (essence: oil areas). Along the way, the protection of Turkomans from genocide by ISIS, Assad, and the prevention of ethnic cleansing and cleansing of the territory carried out by the Kurds for themselves (both in Syria and Iraq).
  16. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 21 October 2016 19: 28
    +1
    And our handsome men want to sell the Turks with 400

    Russia is ready to participate in a tender for the supply of S-300 and S-400 air defense systems to Turkey, said the head of Rosoboronexport Anatoly Isaikin. His words are reported by RIA Novosti.

    According to Isaykin, "the Turkish army has a great need to acquire long-range anti-aircraft missile systems." As the head of Rosoboronexport noted, in addition to Russia, "leading manufacturers of such systems from Western countries" will take part in the tender.
    1. Phosgene
      Phosgene 21 October 2016 21: 55
      +2
      That's when, instead of the Isaikins, Gribs and Romodanovskys, key posts in the Russian Federation will be occupied by the Ivanovs, Petrovs and Aleksandrovs, then there will be less anti-Russian rot and outright sabotage, like the sale of the newest air defense systems of the Russian Federation to the NATO country ... It's time to introduce passports of Non-Citizens of the Russian Federation for ,, lost '' in Russia patriots of Ukraine, Turkey, Israel and other foreign states ... A patriot of a NATO country must either be deported from the Russian Federation, or imprisoned in the Vladimir prison ... Why do we need enemies of the people and the state ?!
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 October 2016 22: 03
      +1
      By the way, friends of US terrorists Israel Saudi Arabia Qatar and Turkey are not asleep, but continue to arm fanatic killers.
      General Staff: militants began to arrive in Aleppo MANPADS
      The Chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, Lt. Gen. Sergey Rudskoy, said on Friday that weapons and ammunition, including portable anti-aircraft missile systems, continue to be received by gangs in the Aleppo region.
      According to Interfax, Rudskoy said that the militants are now preparing a breakthrough in the eastern regions of Aleppo. According to him, over 1200 militant groups are concentrated from the south-west.
      "Including over 30 suicide bombers," Rudskoy said.
      http://www.mk.ru/politics/2016/10/21/genshtab-boe
      vikam-v-aleppo-nachali-postupat-pzrk.html
      1. Phosgene
        Phosgene 21 October 2016 22: 09
        +1
        After a film was made in the United States in which the Islamic terrorist Basayev was called a freedom fighter, the true face of the United States should be understood even by idiots.
  17. Phosgene
    Phosgene 21 October 2016 21: 51
    +3
    Turkey occupies the territory of Syria, and all these `` free armies '' are Turkish mercenaries and disguised Turkish military. Turkey shot down the Su-24M of the Russian Air Force not by chance, it was an order from Ankara.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 October 2016 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: Phosgene
      Turkey occupies the territory of Syria, and all these `` free armies '' are Turkish mercenaries

      Without a doubt.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 21 October 2016 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: Phosgene
      Turkey occupies the territory of Syria, and all these `` free armies '' are Turkish mercenaries

      Without a doubt.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 21 October 2016 22: 21
        0
        The terrorists in Aleppo decided to die and take with them as many civilians as possible, which will inevitably die during the fighting in the city.
        In all likelihood, the battles will be serious for a reason. Vladimir Putin moved such a squadron to the coast of Syria.
    3. protoss
      protoss 21 October 2016 23: 11
      +2
      Turkey occupies the territory of Syria, and all these `` free armies '' are Turkish mercenaries and disguised Turkish military. Turkey shot down the Su-24M of the Russian Air Force not by chance, it was an order from Ankara.

      and there is. one assad would have been filled up with mercenaries, but Iran and Russia violated the rules of the game by sending regular troops to Syria (VKS and Ksir). it is necessary for the other side to use the sun, for starters from the north, Turkish, in the future from the south, Arabian and from the sea, staffers with axes.
      and after all, everything could have been limited to volunteers and fanatics, and there would have been fewer victims and more destruction.
  18. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 22 October 2016 00: 28
    +2
    . "As soon as the Turks approached this or that settlement, the militants of the so-called" Islamic State "left this settlement and retreated deep into the SAR." ////

    What kind of nonsense? They show the video how ISIS burn Turkish tanks with ATGMs,
    then suddenly: "left without a fight."
    Of course, to fight with a freshly disciplined and trained regular army of Turkey, this is not with the remnants of the Syrian. You won’t get much, that’s where they surrender the villages, although after many counterattacks.
  19. NUR
    NUR 22 October 2016 06: 16
    0
    After the US entered Afghanistan, drug production tripled, a curious coincidence.
  20. zenith
    zenith 22 October 2016 11: 16
    0
    Quote: cniza
    There is a big "game" and a lot is at stake, I hope our management knows what they are doing.

    Derban of Syria is in full swing. Integrity is only a verbal mantra. All are now "working" in their areas of follow-up. The main thing for us is to restrain the vertical of the territories in order to prevent the pipe from the SA and Qatar from lying on the Syrian land towards the sea. There is simply no other way, not through Israel to drag the pipe. Ours are not in vain fixed in Latakia and Tartus, the sea is closed - the pipe will not slip through.
  21. neo1200
    neo1200 22 October 2016 12: 12
    0
    The Syrian Free Army is only on paper. No one can present it in reality.
  22. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 22 October 2016 19: 43
    0
    This is yet another result of Putin's "friendship" with Russia's enemy Turkey. Most likely, after the destruction of the most frostbitten ISIS, the opposition troops will go TOGETHER with Turkey on the offensive against Assad and Russian bases. The blindness and lack of principle of Russian "politicians" is simply amazing ...
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 22 October 2016 20: 15
      0
      I guess, yes. But in any case, the number of bayonets in the enemy will decrease.
  23. Pereira
    Pereira 22 October 2016 20: 14
    0
    DAYESH (ISIS) (banned in the Russian Federation)


    When I read this phrase, I am euphoric
    comparable only to the euphoria from the fair victory of the "Eating Russia" party.