The 9 began to test the T-50

During a working trip to the scientific and production association Saturn, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov announced that another newest Russian fighter is coming to the test. We are talking about the plane 5 generation of the T-50. TASS cites a statement by Yuri Borisov:

Our ninth plane is already leaving today. We moved on to comprehensive testing, to testing aviation means of destruction, the entire complex of avionics. Its flight performance has already been confirmed. Today we turn to the issue of comprehensive testing, including testing of the aircraft combat complex.

Yury Borisov added that there were no complaints during the tests of the 5 generation combat aircraft, and added:

(T-50) has stepped over all those demands that today are made to this kind of aircraft.

Today it was confirmed that the tests of the T-50 with the engines of the so-called second stage will begin at the end of 2017. This was announced by the general director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation Alexander Artyukhov. He is quoted "Russian newspaper":

All work is now aimed precisely at this (the beginning of testing the engine of the second stage). The remaining work on the engine PAK FA will be deployed in the period from 2018 to 2020 year. State tests are scheduled for 2020 year.

Comments

[dsm100]

Fine. The truth is slow.

[HAM]

No need to rush especially, so as not to cry later, like the Yankees with fu-35 ...

[Wiskar]

It is more likely that the Yankees are crying loudly, and the Russian aircraft industry is crying inaudibly and for the most part, few people understand why, if at all.

[cniza]

Quote: dsm100

Fine. The truth is slow.

For aviation, this is a very good pace.

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

After 4 years, the engine of the second stage will be ready, and after 5 years it will go into series.

The aircraft carrier will be built in general for 50 years !!!

[NEXUS]

DIVAN SOLDIER

After 4 years, the engine of the second stage will be ready, and after 5 years it will go into series.

Your cheap and not at all smart gloating, I'm sorry, like farting in an empty basin ... about nothing. The engine of the second stage will receive serial cars at the end of the 18th beginning of the 19th year. What are 4 years old, dear?

The aircraft carrier will be built in general for 50 years !!!

For now, let the destroyer Leader put into the series, and frigates to build a good series for all fleets, and then think about the aircraft carrier. But these are plans until the age of 30, but not as much as 50 years, as you say here.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: NEXUS

The engine of the second stage will receive serial cars at the end of the 18th beginning of the 19th year.

You have some problems with the perception of the text of the article.
Firstly, the article says:

The remaining work on the PAK FA engine will be deployed from 2018 to 2020. State tests are planned for 2020.

So how will the production cars get the engines of the "second stage" in the "late 18th early 19th"?
Secondly, in 2016 they just started to conduct bench tests. At the end of 2017, they !!! CAN !!! set on the T-50 ... And they may not have time. Therefore, it is rather premature to declare the beginning of such a serious stage of testing. When they begin to test on the T-50, then you can start to guess about the release date of the serial T-50 with a new engine.

[NEXUS]

Tibidokh

You have some problems with the perception of the text of the article.
Firstly, the article says:
The remaining work on the PAK FA engine will be deployed from 2018 to 2020. State tests are planned for 2020.

Everything is fine with my perception ... thanks for worrying ... but in this article there are such terms, and how it will be in fact you and I don’t know. I’ll say more, I think they won’t even say the designer. So all these numbers are very arbitrary.

Testing of the Product 30 engine for a fifth-generation Russian T-50 fighter is already undergoing ground testing, flightglobal.com reports February 20, citing a statement by the UAC head Yuri Slyusar. Flight tests will begin in 2017.

United Engine Corporation JSC (UEC, part of the Rostec state corporation) will manufacture the first two prototypes of the standard engine already in 2015 (the so-called "second stage" engine - "product 30") for the Russian fifth-generation fighter PAK FA (T-50). This was announced on June 17, 2015 to the RIA Novosti agency by the general director of the UEC Vladislav Masalov.

"The technical design of the second stage engine for the PAK FA has been completed, and currently the development of design documentation for the manufacture of prototypes of the engine is underway. In 2015, two demonstrator engines will be manufactured.

Bench tests began in the 15th year ... but again, all these dates are very arbitrary.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: NEXUS

Everything is fine with my perception ... thanks for worrying ...

Not at all worried.

Quote: NEXUS

and how it will be in fact, neither you nor I know.

I have contrasted this thesis with yours:

Quote: NEXUS

The engine of the second stage will receive serial cars at the end of the 18th beginning of the 19th year.

Quote: NEXUS

Bench tests began in the 15th year ...

Where did you get such information ?! There were several articles at the HE, which explained that at the end of 2015 only the development of a technical project was completed.

[NEXUS]

Tibidokh

Where did you get such information ?!

Here is one of the links-http: //so-l.ru/news/show/izdelie_30_dlya_p
ak_fa_na_st

[Tibidokh]

http://mt.topwar.ru/blog/43507470769/Dvigatel-vto
rogo-etapa-dlya-PAK-FA-doveden-do-nazemnyih-ispyi
so

As of mid-June 2015, the project was at the stage of preparation of technical documentation necessary for the manufacture of experimental products. In March 2016, representatives of the lead developer again talked about ongoing work. It was mentioned that the prototype of the new engine is still in production. At the same time, tests were conducted on the internal circuit of the product, made in the form of a separate unit.

[NEXUS]

Tibidokh

As of mid-June 2015, the project was at the stage of preparation of technical documentation necessary for the manufacture of experimental products. In March 2016, representatives of the lead developer again talked about ongoing work. It was mentioned that the prototype of the new engine is still in production. At the same time, tests were conducted on the internal circuit of the product, made in the form of a separate unit.

So I'm talking about that ... all these fortune-telling about the timing, this is akin to the tests of the "Battle of psychics" ... but given the constantly escalating atmosphere and talk of war and confrontation, I suppose the work is going on emergency and I won’t be surprised if the serial PAK FA with product 30 appears earlier ... I won’t be surprised at all.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: NEXUS

akin to the tests of the "Battle of Psychics"

Kurly Kurlyk.

Quote: NEXUS

if serial PAK FA with product 30 appears earlier

God give it.

[sub307]

"The aircraft carrier will be built in general for 50 years !!!"
Will there be any ...?

[sir.jonn]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

After 4 years, the engine of the second stage will be ready, and after 5 years it will go into series.

The aircraft carrier will be built in general for 50 years !!!

So the GDP decides that it is time to fire up the country in emergency mode and we will drink tea without sugar at the end of a 12-hour work shift. In the meantime, let's not throw a tantrum. For a fast horror-style apocalypse and without the super-duper Wunderwaffe, the thickest rockets in the world will be enough.

[Navigator Basov]

It’s better to build and test for 50 years so that it satisfies the TTT, adopt and rivet the necessary number, than bungle it before everyone else, but raise the budget several times and reduce production plans, or just make one destroyer / frigate in one copy, and try unsuccessfully palm off it to the Israelis and the Arabs, EPROC.

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: Wiskar

part, few people understand why, if at all.

It, of course, yes ... Well, if at all, then, of course, because ...

[Oleg Lavrov]

The quieter you go, the further you'll get!

[Tibidokh]

You’ll be quieter, then you’ll leave.

[HAPA]

Quote: HAM

No need to rush especially, so as not to cry later, like the Yankees with fu-35 ...

And no one is crying, just yesterday they additionally ordered 11 F-35s for 2017, bringing their number to 74 in 2017 .....

[NEXUS]

HAPA

And no one is crying, just yesterday they additionally ordered 11 F-35s for 2017, bringing their number to 74 in 2017 .....

And the correction of errors and problems of these machines until what year is planned, do not tell me?

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

And the correction of errors and problems of these machines until what year is planned, do not tell me?

Until 2018 at the time of the release of BLOCK 3F.
Now 68000 hours are already flying. There are already no special problems besides software.
Readiness declared at F-35A and F-35B
Or is there a car without problems? Such changes before seryre are not just.

[NEXUS]

HAPA

Until 2018 at the time of the release of BLOCK 3F.
Now 68000 hours are already flying. There are already no special problems besides software.
Readiness declared at F-35A and F-35B

It will be very interesting for me to listen to you when, once again, due to imperfections, the terms are pushed to the right of the F-35, and this, something tells me to happen.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

It will be very interesting for me to listen to you when, once again, due to imperfections, the terms are pushed to the right of the F-35, and this, something tells me to happen.

and when was the deadline pushed back to the last time? The combat readiness was announced on time. The release of Block 3f until the end of 2018, even with shifts, is promised in 02.2018.

Here the pak-fa has been repeatedly shifted.

[NEXUS]

HAPA

and when was the deadline pushed back to the last time? The combat readiness was announced on time. The release of Block 3f until the end of 2018, even with shifts, is promised in 02.2018.

Already announced a preliminary shift at least until the 19th year ...

According to one of the leading development engineers, Pierre Spray, “software that allows guns (F-35) to work, even in plans, should not appear before 2019.

This despite the fact that the problem with the software is not resolved.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Already announced a preliminary shift at least until the 19th year ...

And you can link to this news ... What sdivg if now they are accepted for service.

Quote: NEXUS

This despite the fact that the problem with the software is not resolved.

Horror and where do you get such nonsense?

[NEXUS]

HAPA

What sdivg if now they are accepted for service.

Do you hear yourself? Admit the fact that Lightning has software problems, while talking about adopting them ... 200 machines were built, and all XNUMX have problems, and not the fact that the last problems. The mattresses went along the way - to get more of them, and then to modify ALL this horde along the way with a "file" ... their business. But this machine has not yet passed the state tests, and therefore de facto, it was not accepted into service. And so that you completely understand my idea, then imagine that tomorrow is a war, and these machines have software failures ... and what good will the military have from this plane then?

Horror and where do you get such nonsense?

You follow your nonsense.

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Do you hear yourself? Admit the fact that Lightning has software problems, while talking about adopting them ... 200 machines were built, and all XNUMX have problems, and not the fact that the last problems. The mattresses went along the way - to get more of them, and then to modify ALL this horde along the way with a "file" ... their business. But this machine has not yet passed the state tests, and therefore de facto, it was not accepted into service. And so that you completely understand my idea, then imagine that tomorrow is a war, and these machines have software failures ... and what good will the military have from this plane then?

Passed state. test August 2, 2016. F-35 passed state. tests with BLOKC 3I- and he has everything he needed to have. Why deny a fait accompli the world does not change from this?
Now working with BOCK 3F until 2018 to expand opportunities.


They already go to the Middle East in 2017.

Quote: NEXUS

You follow your nonsense.

And what is your quote about the gun? When long has she been shooting

[Samoyed]

"Boys - don't swear!"

[Navigator Basov]

And once again the budget will necessarily increase.

[Su24]

There are already no special problems besides software.

What a "little thing", yeah. The fact of the matter is that these are the main problems that it is not yet known when they will be solved. Is it normal in general that they riveted under two hundred F-35s, but they still haven't really been adopted or used?
For a long time they will bring to mind, and before that they will fly on the good old F-15 and F-16.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Su24

For a long time they will bring to mind, and before that they will fly on the good old F-15 and F-16.

Long. F-16 at least until 2030. A F-15 to 2040goda.

[Zaurbek]

Like, in fact, both the MiG-29/35 and Sukhoi-27/30/34/35, I think they should fly in different versions until the 30s-50s. Part of the systems they will fall from the T-50 ..

[mav1971]

Quote: Su24

There are already no special problems besides software.

What a "little thing", yeah. The fact of the matter is that these are the main problems that it is not yet known when they will be solved. Is it normal in general that they riveted under two hundred F-35s, but they still haven't really been adopted or used?
For a long time they will bring to mind, and before that they will fly on the good old F-15 and F-16.

You don’t understand a bit.
Iron at F-35 - it turned out beautiful.
Problems only with software.
Those. You can now consider (to persuade yourself) 200-300-400 aircraft are not combat-ready.
"Zeros".
But when in the end the software is finished to a minimum of errors, then right away this number will suddenly become completely combat.
Suddenly.
And right away.
And the fact that the software is finished is a must. It's all about understanding software debugging processes.

[NEXUS]

mav1971

Iron at F-35 - it turned out beautiful.
Problems only with software.

Undoubtedly ... but these problems can reveal more problems that developers are not aware of yet ... after all, you cannot deny such a scenario ...

But when in the end the software is finished to a minimum of errors, then right away this number will suddenly become completely combat.
Suddenly.
And right away.

And here I agree with you ... but let's think about what the F-35A actually is (the most numerous modification) ... as a fighter, it is weak and this is a fact, since you cannot work out one stealth technology in a real enemy collision . Like a bomber? Well, perhaps. Something like the SU-34 is only more technologically advanced, but at the same time with a lower bomb load, radius, security ... here this aircraft may occupy this niche. And as a fighter-bomber, he is successful only against weak air defense and the air force, and if you hang the rocket on the external suspension, its main trump card is lost.
Now let’s think for example about the SU-30 and SU-35S in particular ... I think you know that our designers have been working for more than a dozen years to make our aircraft invisible in any radar range using cold plasma. And when this happens, and it will happen ... the same SU-35S with this technology will immediately turn from generation 4+ fighters into generation 5 fighters ...

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Undoubtedly ... but these problems can reveal more problems that developers are not aware of yet ... after all, you cannot deny such a scenario ...

Once again, a flight time of 68.0000 hours, the main problems have already come out.

Quote: NEXUS

And here I agree with you ... but let's think about what the F-35A actually is (the most numerous modification) ... as a fighter, it is weak and this is a fact, since you cannot work out one stealth technology in a real enemy collision .

And why is he weak? He goes as a replacement for the F-16, and by comparison with it, he is better for everyone. And even better as a fighter than the F-15
.

Quote: NEXUS

. Something like the SU-34 is only more technologically advanced, but at the same time with a lower bomb load, radius, security ... here this aircraft may occupy this niche. And as a fighter-bomber, he is successful only against weak air defense and the air force, and if you hang the rocket on the external suspension, its main trump card is lost.

His combat load of up to 8000 kg is not enough? F-35 can perform the task in two ways. The first day of the war does not need a lot of bombs, only radar targets and command posts.

Security? Stealth + EW is a very good combination.

. Armor will not help against VV or ZV missiles.

[NEXUS]

HAPA

Once again, a flight time of 68.0000 hours, the main problems have already come out.

Are you directly as the designer of this aircraft broadcasting. Are you sure that all the problems have come out, or is it your Wishlist that haunts you?

And why is he weak? He goes as a replacement for the F-16, and by comparison with it, he is better for everyone. And even better as a fighter than the F-15

Wildly sorry, and why is he better? If rockets are hung on the external suspension, tell me what will be its advantage? At the same time, do not forget about the cost of this machine, and accordingly the greater risk of losing it than the cheaper F-15/16, which are not an example more.

His combat load of up to 8000 kg is not enough? F-35 can perform the task in two ways. The first day of the war does not need a lot of bombs, only radar targets and command posts.

With weak air defense, lightning fits very well ... but if the enemy has good, layered air defense then? I foresee the answer, at first the air defense will crush the KR ... and the enemy will not sit on the ground and first will push AWACS planes into the ground, and then he will engage the KR carriers ... and if the enemy has missiles that can shoot down satellites, what will this child prodigy do, without target designation, Avax, etc.?

[HAPA]

Quote: NEXUS

Are you directly as the designer of this aircraft broadcasting. Are you sure that all the problems have come out, or is it your Wishlist that haunts you?

not like about facts. After 68000 hours, nothing new will appear.

Quote: NEXUS

Wildly sorry, and why is he better? If rockets are hung on the external suspension, tell me what will be its advantage?

In the radar, situational awareness, in mamlozometnosti.
"Measures to reduce the aircraft's signature must be coordinated with the capabilities and requirements of the electronic countermeasures system. Reducing the level of signature, of course, reduces the power consumption of the electronic countermeasures system, but more importantly, the use of electronic countermeasures by a low-signature aircraft allows you to obtain significant air superiority.
"Reducing the RCS from 10-15 m2 - the value typical for heavy fighters of the fourth generation, to 0.3 m2 allows fundamentally reduce aviation losses in hostilities. This effect is enhanced if, simultaneously with the use of aircraft with a low ESR, modern electronic countermeasures are used. "
A.N. Lagarkov, M.A. Poghosyan
Lagarkov Andrey Nikolaevich - Corr. RAS, director of the Institute of Theoretical and Applied Electrodynamics of the Joint Institute for High Temperatures of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
Poghosyan Mikhail Aslanovich - Corr. RAS, Director of the State Unitary Enterprise Sukhoi Aviation-Industrial Complex.
He has a standard F-16 load inside the battles, and there is nothing the F-16 spent how many troops with such a load and nothing quite successfully.

Quote: NEXUS

At the same time, do not forget about the cost of this machine, and accordingly the greater risk of losing it than the cheaper F-15/16, which are not an example more.

Yes, but that's the trouble. F-35s are now cheaper than the F-15E.
And no more expensive than the F-16

Quote: NEXUS

With weak air defense, lightning fits very well ... but if the enemy has good, layered air defense then? I foresee the answer, at first the air defense will crush the KR ... and the enemy will not sit on the ground and first will push AWACS planes into the ground, and then he will engage the KR carriers ... and if the enemy has missiles that can shoot down satellites, what will this child prodigy do, without target designation, Avax, etc.?

But he is not weak. And much better than its predecessors.
Well, start practicing CD carriers. take somewhere around 70% of the composition.
40 destroyers. 30 Alp Los Angeles. Apple 10 Virgin. pieces of 5 missile cruisers. and all this will cover an umbrella from the planes of 4 aircraft carriers.
Ps And who can shoot down several tens of satellites, GPS satellites is located at an altitude of 20 km. Satellites on the DOE are still possible but no further.

[insular]

Pilot preferences in% - this is of course a very objective analysis of efficiency and superiority.
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That's just the pilots do not shine on it to fly after the extension for 15-25 years of operation of old women ...
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And to compare the 4th generation and the 5th type is it according to the American Feng Shui or Western tradition in general?
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But is this still the 5th generation or what? In the sense that to meet him in the sky with 4 +++ and 5
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And the old women of the United States have long begun to surpass the aircraft of the "potential enemy"?
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The radar and command posts of the banana republics before smoothing the KR or after?)) It’s ridiculous to even ask about the right radar because AWACS will no longer be there ...
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8000 what? Are there cheaper trucks with external suspensions? Naturally, the conversation is about the inner one, and he is poor.

[HAPA]

Quote: insular

Pilot preferences in% - this is of course a very objective analysis of efficiency and superiority.
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Enough. The pilots were asked to choose a stronger car. In different options for air combat

Quote: insular

That's just the pilots do not shine on it to fly after the extension for 15-25 years of operation of old women ..

Already fly and very, very much.

Quote: insular

But is this still the 5th generation or what? In the sense that to meet him in the sky with 4 +++ and 5

With everyone. Why only three pluses need more than 4 +++++.
Those F-15, F-16 with which he conducted training battles are far from those that were even 10 years ago. Radar with AFAR new avionics, etc.

Quote: insular

And the old women of the United States have long begun to surpass the aircraft of the "potential enemy"?
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After the upgrades that they went through, they are more than good. So how many aircraft in Russia have AFAR?

Quote: insular

The radar and command posts of the banana republics before smoothing the KR or after?)) It’s ridiculous to even ask about the right radar because AWACS will no longer be there ...

F-117 operated in Baghdan even before the arrival of the Kyrgyz Republic

Quote: insular

8000 what? Are there cheaper trucks with external suspensions? Naturally, the conversation is about the inner one, and he is poor.

This is a very funny statement.

In contrast to the F-16, what he has to hang on the external suspension inside him. No need for EW containers, sighting and navigation.


And now the question is how much subject to are placed inside the PAK-FA?
He's noticeably bigger than the F-35.
From rumors, 4 ranged missiles and 2 for BVB. That only 2 missiles for BVB more than the F-35. And this is not to mention the plans for BLCOK4 in 2020 to 6 missiles inside the BVB at the F-35 /

[Garris199]

Quote: mav1971

And the fact that the software is finished is a must. It's all about understanding debugging processes.

And in the end it may turn out that the "doped" software needs a different hardware.

[Samoyed]

So I think that software is still determined by hardware. If according to the founders: being determines consciousness. If you do not feed 30 days, a definitive end, even if you are with a bag of money. But about iron, I do not share your optimism, specialization is always more effective than multifunctionality. Need a middle ground.

[HAPA]

Quote: Su24

What a "little thing", yeah. The fact of the matter is that these are the main problems that it is not yet known when they will be solved. Is it normal in general that they riveted under two hundred F-35s, but they still haven't really been adopted or used?
For a long time they will bring to mind, and before that they will fly on the good old F-15 and F-16.

Already accepted
.
Not used ? as of September 2016, 68.000 flight hours.
From one exercise flies to others. One of the last.
"Defeated 110 in aerial combat, flew 138 sorties and dropped 24 GBU-12 bombs during the Northern Lightning exercise."

It has already been brought to smart by 90%

[Venceremos]

Quote: HAPA

It has already been brought to smart by 90%

Okay, they brought, even at 100,1% ...
And what about the fifth generation aircraft, can it be taken seriously?

[sdc_alex]

do not arrange an arms race.
already been passed. What ended everyone knows.

[NEXUS]

Quote: sdc_alex

do not arrange an arms race.
already been passed. What ended everyone knows.

The arms race never stopped, as did the Cold War ... it's all slightly modified, but the essence is the same ... didn’t you know?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: HAM

No need to rush especially, so as not to cry later, like the Yankees with fu-35 ...

So no one is in a hurry.

The purchase plans for the 5th generation T-50 fighter can be reviewed in connection with a reduction in the military budget, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Yuri Borisov told reporters on Thursday in Rybinsk (Yaroslavl Oblast).
“We have a Su-35 (aircraft generation 4 ++. - RNS). He has very good opportunities that will be in demand for a long time. Not everything is squeezed out of this car. We will continue to test the T-50. I do not exclude that the initial plans for its procurement may be revised, ”said Borisov.
He said that the ninth prototype aircraft joined the T-50 tests. Complex flight tests with aviation weapons are already undergoing.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: HAM

No need to rush especially, so as not to cry later, like the Yankees with fu-35 ...

Have you ever thought that tears can be ostentatious?

[Homo]

Quote: dsm100

Fine. The truth is slow.

What does slow mean? About what is slow? And the world crisis, and the sanctions, and the "legacy" EBN do not take into account? Can you speed it up? So take it!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Homo

and the "inheritance" EBN do not take into account?

You can come up with excuses as much as you like. Seven Boyars, 1917 revolution to remember ...

Quote: Homo

Maybe you can speed it up? So grab

Well, in the comment dsm100 was the first to appear. So if the dsm100 takes on the acceleration of work on the T-50, the others behind it may simply not be in time.

[Homo]

Quote: Tibidokh

You can come up with excuses as much as you like. Seven Boyars, 1917 revolution to remember ...

In your time, EBN did not affect the economy in any way. I want to enlighten you, the damage to the economy from EBN is not less than from the Second World War! So draw your conclusions.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Homo

I want to enlighten you

I am a staunch ignoramus.

Quote: Homo

damage to the economy from EBN is not less than from the Second World War!

Under EBN there were low oil prices - the government could not cope with the economy. Under Putin, oil prices jumped above $ 100. And what? Now it has fallen, and again the government: "There is no money, you hold on ...".
I do not want to say that under EBN it was better ... but! While the price of oil was above 80 bucks, our people could buy real cheese, cottage cheese, butter. And now the people have little money, so the people are eating a substitute of palm oil.

Quote: Homo

In your time, EBN did not affect the economy in any way.

Something always bothers us. Our government will always find excuse for its worthlessness.
For some reason, the global crisis did not prevent China from showing GDP growth of 2015% in 7.
But the thing is ... My dad (a hunter with a capital letter) filed a complaint about the inaction of a local official of the Russian Natural Resources Supervision Agency with the regional department of the Russian Environmental Supervision. The regional administration redirected the complaint .... to the same official! Oh ... the official examined the complaint on himself and answered - I put my bolt on people and on the country. Dad appealed his answer to the regional administration - they answer him that the official gave you a reasoned answer on this matter. Dad appealed to Moscow the direction of the regional Office of the complaint to a person whose inaction was appealed. Moscow sent a complaint ... to the regional administration.
Dad wrote a complaint to the presidential administration - they were forwarded ... to a local official of the Russian Environmental Inspection, i.e. the one whom they initially complained about!
So long as this happens in our country, people will buy their children not natural products, but fakes from palm oil and soy.
Sorry for the expression, it's boiling.

[alexej123]

You confuse the personal with the public. And in one episode you can judge the whole country, it’s easier you distort. Western media are silent about the crimes of the Kiev junta, why not resent?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: alexej123

You confuse the personal with the public. And for one episode you can judge the whole country, it’s easier you distort.

"Blessed is he who believes."
According to the actions of the Russian Environmental Supervision and the presidential administration, I can not judge the whole country ?!
By the fact that for two years now a grader can’t walk on the next street so that grannies don’t break their legs (the gravel that we pour enough until the first rain) ... I can’t judge the whole country?
So what ... You, my dear, accuse me of allegedly "juggling"?

Quote: alexej123

Western media are silent about the crimes of the Kiev junta, why not resent?

Choooooo?
And here is the Kiev junta and Western media, a dem in the ribs?
How can the junta affect the tests of the second stage engine for the T-50 ?!
How do Western media promote the sale of key military technology to China ?!
...

[Wasiliy1985]

But as for the Russian Environmental Supervision Agency, the presidential administration and the grader on the next street, I ask you to clarify: should the GDP itself monitor the cleaning of each yard or what?
Comrade, and they’re not talking about people like you - a parasite! ?
You all must and are obliged. At the same time, you, strewing rubble on the street, you think that your responsibilities as a citizen of the country ended there ...
So do you understand your civic responsibilities?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Wasiliy1985

Comrade, and they’re not talking about people like you - a parasite! ?

Modern explanatory dictionary of the Russian language by T.F. Efremova - "DARMOED"
parasite [parasite] m. One who lives on another's account, by another's labor; loafer, parasite.

Waiting for an answer for the bazaar. Why am I a parasite? Does someone contain me ?!

Quote: Wasiliy1985

You all must and are obliged.

I know who and what owes me and demand from them the fulfillment of their direct duties. For those who do not owe me anything, I do not demand anything.

Quote: Wasiliy1985

So do you understand your civic responsibilities?

Yes, I, unlike you, understand. So, what you present is slave psychology. The Constitution and industry norms of law indicate that a person has RIGHTS and obligations. You roughly hint that I should only give and admire. To lose something (time, rights, mood) and not complain about parasite officials.

Tell me, why are you defending power? No, really?
I understand that when a Chinese man (I work with them) speaks badly about Russia and Russians, then immediately, trying to keep myself in control, I consistently explain to him that my country is better for me anyway, and what he says - this is the thoughts of a near-by person.
But when a citizen of the Russian Federation tells you badly about power, why do you immediately rush to defend power, even if it is not right?
I repeat, I must answer for the bazaar - why am I a parasite ?!

[alexej123]

Alexander, do not be offended, but as in the film with A. Raikin: "I watched for four hours who would raise the cigarette butt, but no one raised it."

[Wasiliy1985]

Previously, in the case of the first "turn back" in the city committee, the parties wrote. They say that it even worked well, because the two systems fought between themselves not for life, but to death ...
Anyway, the bureaucracy and the personal pocket won.
What was the idea, huh? !!!!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Wasiliy1985

for the two systems gnawed among themselves not for life, but for death ...

Nomenclature won.

[Homo]

How do you want to put everything on its head! Under EBN, it was not the price of oil, but the desire of the EBN (at the direction of the USA) to ruin Russia! And YOU, oil, oil!

Quote: Tibidokh

While the price of oil was above 80 bucks, our people could buy real cheese, cottage cheese, butter.

Who had this opportunity? Do all Russians, especially in villages and villages, or among Muscovites and partially among residents of regional centers? Do you remember the price of oil, but do you remember the salary and purchasing power?
And if we talk about the details:

Quote: Tibidokh

Dad appealed to Moscow the direction of the regional Office of the complaint to a person whose inaction was appealed. Moscow sent a complaint ... to the regional administration.

But my situation is different. My son is seriously ill, the city doctors, and then the regional "sent". I wrote a complaint to the Ministry of Health - "in a pose" (I can't write otherwise, the site administration's tolerance) put both regional and city doctors, and we got everything that we should and even more! After the regional report to Moscow, they called me from there and asked if everything was done as expected. So I am pleased with the Ministry officials and their attitude towards the people!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Homo

Under EBN, it was not the price of oil, but the desire of the EBN (at the direction of the USA) to ruin Russia!

Good. Now there is no desire (at the direction of the United States) to ruin Russia, why do not we show GDP growth as in China? For this, in addition to the main work, this year I even handed over a pine nut at a price of 90 rubles. per kg unpeeled. A damned GDP is not growing. Who am I to blame? Yourself? You? Somebody else?

Quote: Homo

And my situation is different.

I wish your son good health. I consider it impossible to comment (speculate) on this topic.

You are pleased with the work of officials, I do not. If you do not come such times when you will be dissatisfied with the work of bureaucrats, then God has mercy.

[Homo]

Quote: Tibidokh

Good. Now there is no desire (at the direction of the United States) to ruin Russia, why do not we show GDP growth as in China? For this, in addition to the main work, this year I even handed over a pine nut at a price of 90 rubles. per kg unpeeled. A damned GDP is not growing. Who am I to blame? Yourself? You? Somebody else?

So in China now, GDP growth has slowed. While the USA pumped China with money, production was placed there, there was no global crisis - there was growth, but now everything - the lafa is over.

"China's GDP growth rate in the first quarter of 2016 was 6,7%," according to a report by the PRC National Bureau of Statistics.
At the end of 2015, China's GDP growth rate slowed down to 6,9%, which was the worst indicator in the last 25 years. For 2016, the Chinese government has set the growth bar in the range of 6,5% to 7%. "

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Homo

So in China, GDP growth has now slowed down

We would have such problems as China - a slowdown in GDP growth from 7% to 6,5%.
All the same, selflessly defending our mediocre economy ... although the economy cannot be mediocre, it’s at the lever of the country are the mediocre Siluanovs with Nabiulina ... CAN THIS TRAINERS AT ALL ???
So, selflessly defending our mediocre elite in power in your comments, you always find excuse for their criminal inaction.
- Why is the economy in opera?
- So then, Yeltsin, a traitor, a bastard.
- Now there is no EBN, why there is no such growth as in China?
- So the PRC has slowed down.

Tell me, why have my earnings (my personal GDP, if you want) increased over the past year, but the country does not?
And I'll tell you why. Because I am still relatively young and can work two jobs. And why did the state rulers try so much about import substitution, etc., but in the end all import substitution comes down to ... I don’t even want to say what. For two years I have been sending furniture from Foshan (China, Guangdong Ave.), on which they then molded the label "Made in Russia" in Russia and ... it was quite legitimately sold as domestic furniture. And the thing is - duty + VAT + certification + transportation + warehouse = 70% of the price of goods is formed in Russia, i.e. you can safely sculpt a sticker "Made in Russia".
It seems like the state receives taxes, it seems like "import substitution" ... In real life, "Made in Russia" should mean that (forgive me for being straightforward) Russian convicts (or those who served a sentence) for 25 rubles. make furniture a month. Those. for people without education, jobs should be created, people should have seniority, people should be in business. But in reality ...
By no means do I want to say that abroad is better or worse. From abroad I was only in China and Ukraine. At the expense of Ukraine - there has always been, from the moment of the collapse of the USSR, an opa full.
At the expense of China ... Everything is done there for the people. There is medicine, education and culture at a level that we have never dreamed of.
Honestly ... how I envy them ...

[VP]

You only had two minutes to see the new headline, open an article, read, digest, think, type and publish a comment.
How are you doing? Be on duty with a set of ready-to-post "firsts!" ?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: VP

set of ready-to-post posts

Yes, his phrase "Excellent. True slowly" is suitable for any occasion.
- Coach, did I run a hundred-meter fine?
- Well. The truth is slow.

- Honey, did you like it?
- Well. The truth is slow.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Tibidokh

- Honey, did you like it?
- Well. The truth is slow.

Mismatch ...
Is she late somewhere?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Is she late somewhere?

Some horses love the pace faster, regardless of race distance.
Hi Ilyich!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Some horses love the pace faster, regardless of race distance.
Hi Ilyich!

Hi Igor!

Depends on the size of the stables ....

[Tibidokh]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Some horses love the pace faster, regardless of race distance.

Quote: stalkerwalker

Depends on the size of the stable ...

Well, create a separate topic on the forum. I guarantee the popularity of the topic!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Tibidokh

I guarantee the popularity of the topic!

So what?

[Tibidokh]

Quote: stalkerwalker

So what?

I think this is photoshop. Gusli girl definitely painted on.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Tibidokh

Well everything create The forum has a separate topic. I guarantee the popularity of the topic

This is how the arrows are translated. "Let the Giraffe was wrong, But the Giraffe is not guilty, And the one who shouted from the branches: - The big giraffe - he knows better!"

Quote: Tibidokh

- Honey, did you like it?
- Well. The truth is slow.

P.S. The subject is sick - the wife in the ninth month ....

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ingvar 72

P.S. The subject is sick - a wife in the ninth month.

Hold on, brother!

Happiness to your family!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Happiness to your family!

Join us!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Depends on the size of the stables ....

How mercantile you are, the size of the stable has nothing to do with it! It all depends on the size of the groom's whip, and on the ability to use it!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What are you mercantile

Is that me?

Quote: Ingvar 72

the size of the stable has nothing to do with it

Uhhh .....
The size of the stable depends on the number of stalls occupied in it ....

[dauria]

Fine. The truth is slow.

"do it slowly and well. Everyone will forget what you did slowly, but they will remember what you did well. If you do it quickly and badly, everyone will forget what you did quickly, but for a long time they will remember what you did wrong." Not literally, but A. N. Tupolev.

[Orionvit]

Remember how long it was tested for example MIG-25, or SU-27. 5-7 years, until it was brought to mind, and then still in the process of operation they were constantly modernized.

[Titsen]

... T-50 tests with engines of the so-called second stage will begin at the end of 2017 ...

Unforgivably slow !!!!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Titsen

Unforgivably slow !!!!

What do you propose to rectify the situation?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Tibidokh

What do you propose to rectify the situation?

Do not change beds, but change ...... (walking women).
Hotabych - well, this is elementary true!
There are almost no real movements - one PR.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Hotabych

Oh ... Why did you print my password for the account on VO out loud ?! You will have to change because of you.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do not deal with rearrangement of beds, but change ...... feel (walking women).

Not quite clear. Swap women? Or even invite new ones?

Quote: Ingvar 72

There are almost no real movements - one PR.

Well, the adoption of the second-stage engine immediately approached.
Thank you Igor!

[mQn]

State tests are planned for 2020.

and what, until then, the series will not go even with an engine of stage 1?

[Muvka]

Recently there was news that next year 5 T-50s will enter the troops.

[win]

BEAUTIFUL - Neither in a fairy tale say, nor pen

[Evgesh91]

in this perspective it looks like a frog

[You Vlad]

And I have an association with a star, not red of course

[Homo]

Quote: You Vlad

And I have an association with a star, not red of course

And why "not red" than "red star" did not please you?

[You Vlad]

Well, the plane is not red

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Evgesh91

in this perspective to the frog similar

So this is a Russian plane.
And in Russian folk tales Vasilisa is beautiful / wise and was in frog's skin ... Remember the words of Ivanushka, the "stupid" one at the tsar's feast: "This is my little frog riding in a box!"
And how the song sang: "We were born to make a fairy tale come true!"

[Fregate]

I wonder in what form it will be adopted. In the photo for the article he has a pointed "ass", and on the nose there is a bar for measuring pressure (and what else is there? I don’t remember what it’s called) And you don’t have this bar on the photo on the nose and the tail section is slightly different (although not a fact ). In general, I noticed that they differ from each other in little things, there are different combinations.

[Iline]

Quote: Fregate

on the nose there is a rod for measuring pressure (and what else is there? I don’t remember what it's called)

It is called LDPE - an air pressure receiver. If you look at the second photo, then small tubes are visible on the sides on the front. This is the same, but as they say, a side view. And they abandoned the PVD-shnaya rod most likely because somewhere it is necessary to stick a refueling rod and this design greatly interferes.
And the situation with the plane begins to strain a little. That information passes that next year they are launched into a series, then, as today, just with tests, not to mention the State, the horse did not roll. What are you going to take to arms?

[milling machine]

And will there already be a video how it launches from the internal rocket and bomb compartments?
And so much time has passed. Is it really so secret?

[Tibidokh]

It has already been posted.

[Oleneboy_]

They started up with the engine of the first stage. Then they upgraded

[win]

Deadly Cannon T-50 Test

[Engineer]

such a deadly gun stands on the Mi-29 and on the Su-27 and all their derivatives

[NEXUS]

Engineer

such a deadly gun stands on the Mi-29 and on the Su-27 and all their derivatives

No, not like that ... they put the 9-A1-4071K gun on the PAK FA, and the GS-29 is on the MIG-27 and SU-301. The gun for PAK FA is a further development of GS-301.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: NEXUS

The gun for PAK FA is a further development of GS-301.

Strictly speaking the same thing, with all due respect to you!
But also an interesting dope machine, it’s a pity you won’t stick such a PAK-FA.

[PHANTOM-AS]

In general, thanks to Gryazev and Shipunov !!!

[NEXUS]

PHANTOM-AS

Strictly speaking the same thing, with all due respect to you!

The gun 9-A1-4071K, is a modernized GSh-301

But also an interesting dope machine, it’s a pity you won’t stick such a PAK-FA.

Even if you stick it in ... it "eats" the BC very quickly ... it makes no sense.

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: NEXUS

Even if you stick it in ... it "eats" the BC very quickly.

Instantly, I would say!

Quote: NEXUS

The gun 9-A1-4071K, is a modernized GSh-301

I don’t even argue, but basically the same tool, only it had to be stuck in the PAC, while the manufacturing process had practically not changed.

[NEXUS]

PHANTOM-AS

Instantly, I would say!

All the time, the thought of the place where the gun was stuck, that this place was not at all for her ... I was not about the position or the need or the uselessness ... about the feeling that it was completely thought to put something else there either now or in soon ... I don’t know ...
Maybe some kind of EW wave gun ... who knows what they’ll get in KRET ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: NEXUS

All the time the thought of the place where the gun was stuck, that this place is not at all for her ...

Quote: NEXUS

. the fact that the feeling that it was something completely thought to be put there either now or in the near future ... I don’t know ...

This is most likely closer to the truth, I am also inclined to this thought. Therefore, they put a gun that had been tested over the years., And look further, we need to ask the specialists.

[NEXUS]

PHANTOM-AS

This is most likely closer to the truth, I am also inclined to this thought. Therefore, they put a gun that had been tested over the years., And look further, we need to ask the specialists.

I believe that the PAK FA keeps many surprises both for us and for the foe ... don't let us take it, the flying Armata ... that one also hatched with surprises.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

PHANTOM-AS

Instantly, I would say!

All the time, the thought of the place where the gun was stuck, that this place was not at all for her ... I was not about the position or the need or the uselessness ... about the feeling that it was completely thought to put something else there either now or in soon ... I don’t know ...
Maybe some kind of EW wave gun ... who knows what they’ll get in KRET ...

And what is wrong with the place?
Normal place ...
See where the cannons are placed in aircraft over the past 40-50 years. Everything is subordinated only to the technical design of the internal layout and nothing more ...
And no wave guns :)

[NEXUS]

mav1971

See where the cannons are placed in aircraft over the past 40-50 years. Everything is subordinated only to the technical design of the internal layout and nothing more ...

I know where they usually put them ... but seriously, the feeling that she is at the PAK FA is temporary and they are going to put something completely different there ...

And no wave guns :)

I brought an eW gun as an example, so that it was clear what I mean.

[Zaurbek]

You won’t stick it anywhere, and the A-10 was specially built for it. analogue in terms of only ship. On the MiG-27 they reduced the ammunition load of 30mm ammunition and thinned the walls of the barrels, and there were problems. GSh-30-2 is an optimal compromise.

[longin]

any item with the index "4071" is an artillery mount, which includes the GSh-301 aircraft cannon. The difference is in the design of the gun carriage and the way / direction of the cartridge strip feeding.

[Polite Moose]

Perhaps my horizons are very limited, but I have never met a description of either a life-giving or healing gun.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Polite Moose

Perhaps my horizons are very limited, but I have never met a description of either a life-giving or healing gun.

Well, why, there’s just enough healing, if used correctly, they’ll treat hotheads to the best of their ability, if by that time there remains something to be treated.

[win]

let these cars fly only for beauty! Peace be to us all!

[Engineer]

Si vis pacem, bellum for

[You Vlad]

Yok Makaryok, what a happiness! I didn’t even think that our defense industry would recover so quickly and would make such airplanes! I remember the past years and news from all sides about the enterprises being closed or plundered! Thank you very much to those people who kept it, and hoped that the Motherland would really need it!

[Vlad5307]

All work is now aimed precisely at this (the beginning of testing the engine of the second stage). The remaining work on the engine PAK FA will be deployed in the period from 2018 to 2020 year. State tests are scheduled for 2020 year.

We took all the "raspberries obos..ali"! count it only by 2025, something will be really done - trials do not win wars! Yes, liberal capitalism, preached by our government, has fully "justified" itself! I would not be surprised if the project is closed in the future! And they will always come up with excuses!

[sniper]

Somehow sad to read such comments ...
Dear, do you really think that a new plane can be riveted on your knee in a couple of weeks with a hammer and some mother? Or just too lazy to turn on the brain? Look, our sworn "friends" still cannot finish the F-35, with their finances ... It will of course finish, but this is not a simple matter. And the T-50, work is going on and even faster than originally expected. The engine of the second stage was earlier than 20 g and was not planned ...

[NEXUS]

Kolya hello, friend ...

Dear ones, do you really think that a new plane can be riveted on a knee with a hammer and some mother in a couple of weeks? Or just too lazy to turn on the brain? Look, our sworn "friends" still cannot finish the F-35, with their finances.

This whining is constant ... but even such a crazy idea does not fly into their heads that what is being announced and announced is more often than not the truth.
And the 8 machine is a pre-production one. It may well happen that we will see a SERIAL real car before the 20 year, while the 30 product has been developed since the 14 year, and most likely earlier, and is already on the test bench.

[sniper]

Hi Andrew !!!
You will not believe it, but sometimes I regret that the minuses were canceled, although I did not use them almost ...

[NEXUS]

sniper

Hi Andrew !!! drinks
You will not believe it, but sometimes I regret that the minuses were canceled, although I did not use them almost ...

Hi Kolya...
Here is no further than today I thought of scribbling an article about things on the site ... I don’t know, I think so far, but patience is running out.

[sniper]

An article is a necessary thing ... I now began to spend much less time on the site, it hurts my eyes too much. Yes, and the same minuses ... The level of discussion in the comments has slipped below the plinth. All this is sad, bro ....

[NEXUS]

sniper

An article is a necessary thing ... I now began to spend much less time on the site, it hurts my eyes too much. Yes, and the same minuses ... The level of discussion in the comments has slipped below the plinth. All this is sad, bro ....

And the sensible people went into darkness ... and in their place came either smokers or outright trolls ...

[sniper]

Quote: NEXUS

And the sensible people went dark

And this is the saddest thing ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: sniper

Quote: NEXUS

And the sensible people went dark

And this is the saddest thing ...

Colleagues, I definitely support you!
Sorrow ...

[You Vlad]

Well, you are not old grouchy ...! Influence the administration of the side-site with your authority! Write a collective letter or something ... And the people will support ...

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Kolya hello, friend ...

Dear ones, do you really think that a new plane can be riveted on a knee with a hammer and some mother in a couple of weeks? Or just too lazy to turn on the brain? Look, our sworn "friends" still cannot finish the F-35, with their finances.

This whining is constant ... but even such a crazy idea does not fly into their heads that what is being announced and announced is more often than not the truth.
And the 8 machine is a pre-production one. It may well happen that we will see a SERIAL real car before the 20 year, while the 30 product has been developed since the 14 year, and most likely earlier, and is already on the test bench.

Development of the "Product 30" began in late 2002 and early 2003. by the end of the formation of a full-fledged technical specification and paper project for the T-50.

[NEXUS]

mav1971

Development of the "Product 30" began in late 2002 and early 2003. by the end of the formation of a full-fledged technical specification and paper project for the T-50.

Alexei, I’m talking about bench tests ... it’s clear that the dvigun began to be developed around the same time when the aircraft itself, that is, somewhere in 2000-2002 ...

[Sotskiy]

Interestingly, an EMP weapon, the so-called military microwave in the T-50, was shoved, or is it a secret?

[Zaurbek]

and laser green beams ....

[Tibidokh]

And as in computer games - the "SAVE" and "LOAD" keys.

[IVINYUKHIN]

Stalin grabs them

[IVINYUKHIN]

and generally speaking. why is it better than 4th generation airplanes? we can have a telly in it

[Smog]

And telly and fridge and washing machine Indesit.
Oh, another microwave. Are you satisfied?

[OLD FART]

Let the men work ... In such a complex and expensive project, you cannot hurry and customize!

[Holoy]

A beautiful and very successful plane! I'm only worried about Avionics ...

[m.cempbell]

Quote: STARPER

Let the men work ... In such a complex and expensive project, you cannot hurry and customize!

I agree, it is impossible to hurry, and it is impossible to push, but the fact that time now, in the military aspect, is working against us is a fact.

[bk316]

Nothing we sit under an umbrella.
Not for nothing that RT-2PM2 and RS-24 did so much. Next year they will deliver PC-26 and a year later PC-28
We will reach 20 and 25 with them, and then we'll see, by that time, the minuteries will crumble.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: m.cempbell

I agree, it is impossible to hurry, and it is impossible to push, but the fact that time now, in the military aspect, is working against us is a fact.

It is in this sense that there is disappointment, and this, coupled with the constant budget cuts for new developments. And this Borisov from the Moscow Region is the main troll - you need to do less fuss and go out to fulfill plans on time, and not engage in their constant adjustment. Flight crews can also be trained with the engine of the 1st stage, but if the time all the time is shifted by 3-5 years, then there’s no point in retraining today. Alas, there was hope for 2017!

[Wasiliy1985]

To the question of development terms and prerequisites for the technical specification for development (I highly recommend): http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fighter/su27.html

Actually, real specialists have long indicated their position ..

His own business, and not balabolost on the Internet.

It's nice to do normal men's business! :)

[Chukcha]

When I watch the T-50 fly, I have an association with a "maple leaf" spinning in the air in an incomprehensible way.
And what will happen after, in the following designs, I can’t even imagine.

[alavrin]

"To slow down is to fall behind. And the backward ones are beaten. But we do not want to be beaten. No, we do not want! The history of old Russia was, among other things, that it was constantly beaten for backwardness. The Mongol khans were beaten. The Turkish beks beat them. They were beaten by the Swedish feudal lords. The Polish-Lithuanian lords beat them. The Anglo-French capitalists beat them. They beat the Japanese barons. They beat everyone for backwardness. For military backwardness, for cultural backwardness, for state backwardness, for industrial backwardness, for agricultural backwardness. it was profitable and went with impunity. Remember the words of the pre-revolutionary poet: “You are poor, you are abundant, you are powerful, you are powerless, Mother Russia." These gentlemen learned these words of the old poet well. They beat and sentenced: " "- therefore, you can profit at your expense. They beat and sentenced:" you are poor, powerless "- therefore, you can beat and rob you with impunity. This is the law of the exploiters - to beat the backward and the weak. Wolf's law capitalism. You are behind, you are weak - it means that you are wrong, therefore, you can be beaten and enslaved. You are powerful - then you are right, therefore, you must beware.
That is why we cannot lag behind any longer. "
Joseph Stalin. Speech at the First All-Union Conference
socialist industry workers
4 February 1931 city

[Karaul73]

Will the series go when the 100th aircraft passes the test? Previously, three machines cost 2 flying and one for stat tests.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sentry73

Will the series go when the 100th aircraft passes the test? Previously, three machines cost 2 flying and one for stat tests.

The 8th car is pre-production ... that is, ALL components and assemblies are on it, which will subsequently be on the production car. Prior to this, on previous machines this was not.
That is why we can say more or less confidently that mass production will soon begin after all the fine-tuning, debugging and fixing problems, with complex work already as a combat platform.

[CommanderDIVA]

Hurry up to launch it in a series, and then there’s a war on the nose, and we’ll rearm again as in 41

[NEXUS]

Quote: CommanderDIVA

Hurry up to launch it in a series, and then there’s a war on the nose, and we’ll rearm again as in 41

Are you serious? I dare to remind you that in the 41st neither Hitler nor we had nuclear weapons. And if it were, I doubt very much that Hitler would have decided to attack, since everything would have ended within a couple of hours, and would not have been stretched for 5 years.

[Cobalt m]

All right, do not rush the developers. It is better to approach the optimal version with the whole range of tests. Transfer the run-in version to the troops. And only then to frighten the sons and minions of Nata. Only annoying is that a lot is advertised in the media. Do not forget that the intelligence services of other countries hunt for the tests. And given the fact that we are leaders in the production of the highest quality weapons in the world, recruitment activity in research institutes and factory enterprises will increase. But in the context of modern geopolitics, this may and is necessary for the state.

[Koshak]

I didn’t understand anything on the engine
1) "tests of the T-50 with engines of the so-called second stage will begin at the end of 2017"
2) "The rest of the work on the PAK FA engine will be deployed in the period from 2018 to 2020. State tests scheduled for 2020."

[bald]

They are needed. And it pleases. In the whole world, only Russia will be able to do good and that is the whole point

[milling machine]

Quote: Tibidokh

It has already been posted.

I meant a real video and not a comp. schedule.

[Tibidokh]

I repent , I thought that the video is documentary. And it’s like Avon.

[fix]

HAPA,
The situation here seems to be different: they wanted a wunderwaffle, but they didn’t understand what kind of crazy money they got.
http://ostkraft.ru/ru/articles/1792

PS This is about f-35. Comment threw out without reference to the opponent.

[HAPA]

Quote: fix

HAPA,
The situation here seems to be different: they wanted a wunderwaffle, but they didn’t understand what kind of crazy money they got.
http://ostkraft.ru/ru/articles/1792

you know what the funniest thing is, he is now one of the cheapest western airplanes and the cheapest 5th generation airplane to use.

[voyaka uh]

And by the end of this year, the 225th serially assembled aircraft will be rolled out of the factory ...

[Zaurbek]

None of our can not master without a binding lamp. If it is so difficult technologically, then why is it on the F-16 from the very beginning and appeared on the Chinese stealth ....