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Why i hate west

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Why i hate westI am a typical man in the street, who live in abundance from Papua New Guinea to the island of Jersey. I live an ordinary life. Large sums of money in your pocket never did, and it is unlikely to start. We must go, as they say now, “into business” in order to accumulate considerable funds. But that's not for me. I used to work honestly, and not rip off my latest shirt from my neighbor in order to purchase a fifth car or a new-fashioned yacht.


I love children and weddings very much. Tremble before old age and grieve at the funeral. And with all the pores of my Russian soul I do not accept war. My father fought, and my mother, still a girl, was injured by a shell fragment in the shoulder in the 1943 year, before she reached the cellar during the shelling. My uncle Plato went missing in 1941 under Polotsk, and my grandmother and grandfather "swelled from hunger" in the first post-war year, giving up the last piece of bread to their daughters.

I'm sick of chanting war heroes. Of course, there are heroes, there have been and there will be. But I saw with my own eyes the wounded Russian soldiers, “Afghans,” and I understand that war smells not with incense, but then with blood and excrement in the trenches.

But I am not a pacifist. Cheap slogans and blatant demonstrations of war do not stop. Only ... renamed the ATO and humanitarian bombardment. But horseradish radish is not sweeter! Russia needs an army in this sinful sublunar world, for the day and hour of the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ are only “calculated” by the crazy Protestants, contrary to the Bible and common sense. And before the Last Judgment, nothing in the world will change - the temptation is too great to resolve all issues with the help of divisions and seizures of foreign territories.

I am far from enthusiastic about what is happening in the economy of my country: banks are getting fat, and the average man has a hard time. Gentlemen-Westerners, almost in one voice scream: "Take a pitchfork and drive Putin!" And I will not take and I will not drive anyone. Any kind anarchy is worse than any kind of bad authority.

I am told that Russia is to blame for its troubles, not the West. Like, Russian by nature - losers, and blame the surrounding countries. But I am a stupid philistine and an orthodox obscurantist. And, therefore, because of my stupidity, I do not believe this, but what happens in front of my face.

Why, among those who carry out "reforms", do we not find patriots, but figures of admirers of the West flash exclusively? "Patriotism - the last refuge of a scoundrel?" Sorry, but this is a lie. But liberalism, as a refuge and refuge, is a fact of a Westerner in Russia.

In 1991, the Russians abandoned communism and did not resist the destruction of the USSR, that is, they acted according to the prescription that the West wrote out after the Second World War. Europe and the United States have become calmer, fatter and more satisfying.

We also hoped for peace. And what did you get? Almost civil war (unleashed by Western liberals, not all damned “red-brown”), the disintegration of relations even at the household level, the movement of NATO troops under our very borders (even in the Baltic States climbed!) And Western-fed terrorists in the Caucasus.

Do you want me to love the West for this? Sorry, I'm a philistine, but not a dummy!

In Soviet times, there was a joke: “Who does the USSR look like? On the cupid. With a bare ass. He is armed to the teeth and climbs to everyone with his love! ”Opanka! And now this is a joke about the USA! Recall the national debt "bulwark of democracy"! If it were not for the modern armed forces, it would have been twenty years since they would have run with a naked ass!

West to all rushing with his love! Along with sodomy, democracy and "universal" values! The Anglo-Saxons indicate each state how to exist and what laws to write. And who does not agree, that kill! What did Gaddafi USA? Did Libyan aircrafts hit the San Francisco and Indianapolis? About like even news CNN is not going to say, ss. Because it was not. And Saddam did not please? Ordered to clean up London and Manchester from local residents? There is no sound in the BBC reports. But the West came to Libya and Iraq. And turned these countries into wastelands. The count of victims has exceeded thousands of thousands.

In Donetsk, the terrorists killed the "Motorola" - Arsen (in the Orthodox way - Arseny) Pavlov. For what? The reasons can call an incredible amount. Poroshenko screams: "Moscow's agent crashed! Vatnika. Intelligence agencies of the United States and Ukraine will declare disassembly between the separatists. And everything will be absolute nonsense. Motorola arrived in Novorossia so that people could live in their own way, without instructions from Kiev and Washington. And Arseny himself wanted to live in his own way. Do not fight, and raise children. Here it is - the key cause of death. Like Alexey Brain too. The West does not want to let anyone live in its own way. Russia as well.

I am a philistine. And I understand that. Most of all I appreciate this freedom - to live, albeit foolishly, but in my own way, and not on the orders of a distant foreign benefactor. And Ukraine teaches me by example. The clever and cunning Ukrainians fell for the bait of “TseEvropy” and turned into maydauns, stripped of their own for the sake of “beautiful” western. And got a barrel without a poppy!

The West, like a parody of Midas, turns everything it touches into shit, but not gold. Although in Russia gold coins were nicknamed clearly.

Therefore, I hate the West! He has messed everything up with feces and wants to turn us into a cesspool. And we only think to live in our own way and we don’t need anything else. Here is the answer to the "mysterious" Russian soul. Believe us idiots and stupid, but leave us alone with your love and progress.

Somehow, we will live without the well-beings of foreigners, launching rockets into space with the sound of bells and the singing of priests ...
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  1. Danil Laryon
    Danil Laryon 20 October 2016 05: 44
    +7
    Russia has a great history and tragic fate.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 20 October 2016 06: 20
      +12
      Quote: Danil Larionov
      Russia has a great history and tragic fate.

      So it is so. And the others? Well, not such a great story, but tragedy is enough. Live well? So the cattle under the yoke is also tolerant. Worked out - got it. After all, all of Europe is under the yoke of the Naglosaxes. And they fought with them, but they lost and got into the stall. Their business, let them not come to us? They will climb, chase them from Portugal, to Georgia "everyone will visit us." .... and lock in the open ...
      Here you are right - such a fate. Pushkin: I would not want to have a different story than the history of my homeland. Something like this.
      1. Cat
        Cat 20 October 2016 18: 44
        +2
        I do not agree!
        We have a great history and great destiny!
        Over 1 history, they have repeatedly tried to bring us to our knees. Our statehood was in the balance during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the Troubles of 000, the Patriotic Wars of 1612 and 1812-1914, the collapse of the USSR. But in spite of everyone, we got up from our knees and moved on. We are not standing now, we are rising again. And all this cry from all sides proves that they do not believe in the "tragedy" of our future, but on the contrary doubt their own.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 20 October 2016 06: 21
      +4
      Quote: Danil Larionov
      tragic fate.

      Well, why so categorically, or do you think that the path of Russia has already been completed? request
      1. Danil Laryon
        Danil Laryon 20 October 2016 07: 55
        0
        Of course I don’t shield like that request
        1. Alex_1973
          Alex_1973 20 October 2016 14: 13
          +8
          Danil Larionov Today, 07:55 ↑ New
          Of course I don’t shield request
          Lord, in what school you were taught Russian - "shield" ...! Tell me who was your teacher of Russian, a great and powerful language, I would like to beat him with something for such a student. Remember each word has test words to count, from the word count or do you write "brush"? What is spelled and heard? Well, isn't the spelling function working for you? Is it really so difficult to love your own language so as not to distort it?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 21 October 2016 21: 50
            0
            I join, on this resource under the Ukrainian symbol they write better in Russian than carriers
    3. alex86
      alex86 20 October 2016 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: Danil Larionov
      Russia has a great history and tragic fate.

      And what follows from this in light of the above nonsense (especially touched "launching rockets into space to the ringing of bells and the singing of priests ...")?
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 20 October 2016 17: 44
        +2
        Quote: alex86
        especially touched by "launching, under the ringing of bells and the singing of priests, rockets into space ...")?

        I also neighing, and after this statement it is simply necessary to recognize all objects of worship as strategic. fellow
    4. Yura
      Yura 20 October 2016 21: 01
      +1
      Quote: Danil Larionov
      Russia has a great history and tragic fate.

      I read the article, it is normal, and I agree with the author, I agree with you. Now the author was sore about the article and just decided to share with everyone why the West hates, now attention to the tragic fate ... in the comments there is not a single word even from our opponents about why we should or can love the West (probably because all the same there is nothing), but almost half of the comments contain a sea of ​​arguments for us to hate our country. So, damn it all the same faces, from comment to comment, from topic to topic the same thing. Looking at some of the "nicknames" I skip their comments without reading, because I know by heart what they will say. Now about the tragedy, some of them would not hurt to put their muzzle on the table, but no, we listen to them and read them.
      1. alex86
        alex86 20 October 2016 21: 55
        +2
        Quote: Jura
        we listen and read them.

        A drop wears away a stone - you see who will think. It will come to someone that we ourselves are to blame for our troubles (as well as in our victories, of course). And than broadcasting about hatred of the "west", maybe "they would have engaged in cleaning sheds - their direct business. And no devastation ..." - "Devastation in the heads." They would start working, and not chatting with their tongues at work, stopped drinking (or reduced the dose to begin with), started their own business (an author with an alternative way of thinking for some reason believes that his business is "rip off your neighbor's last shirt in order to buy a fifth car or a newfangled yacht.".
        And yet - (for alternatively thinking) the phrase - "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" - not that all patriots are scoundrels, but that scoundrels (when there is nowhere to go) become "patriots". (But this is for those who think alternatively, I clarify, the rest understand this without explanation)
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 20 October 2016 23: 07
          +1
          More precisely, among patriots it is the hardest for villains to hide, therefore this is the LAST refuge when everyone else has already been tried and there is nowhere to go.
          1. alex86
            alex86 21 October 2016 07: 46
            +3
            Quote: Ulan
            among patriots, scoundrels are the hardest to hide

            not quite so (or rather, exactly the opposite) - "patriotism" can cover up any act (he is from higher, "patriotic" considerations; or - yes, he is a scoundrel, what he did is disgusting, but since he is a "patriot" let's not touch it).
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 21 October 2016 18: 07
          0
          Quote: alex86
          And yet - (for alternatively thinking) the phrase - "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels" - not about the fact that all patriots are scoundrels, but about the fact that scoundrels (when there is nowhere to go) become "patriots"

          It is about the fact that the villain can atone for his sins by protecting his country.
          1. alex86
            alex86 21 October 2016 21: 41
            0
            Are you out of your mind? Pedophile (a scoundrel - or is it not in your mind?) Atone for his sins, defending the homeland? Rapist (villain - or a
            in your idea not?) atone for his sins, defending the homeland? What kind of homeland is this? Like a prostitute? Like the pimp protects her - is she happy? I have a different idea of ​​the Motherland (you used the term "own country" - maybe I am wrong, and this is not the Motherland). So, I will vomit the villain, even if he defends "his country". The villain has no homeland. And I excuse you, because you did not think - it happens, not only with you, but the version "he is, of course, a son. Son, but he is our son." Is unacceptable not only in the American, but also in Russian version. (admins, do not delete, this is a quote, without it the whole meaning is lost - it was said, EMNIP, about Somoza)
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 21 October 2016 23: 07
              0
              [quote = alex86] Are you out of your mind? [/ quote]
              In his.
              [quote = alex86] And I am sorry for you, because you did not think [/ quote]
              First of all, thanks, but I didn’t ask for your apology.
              Second:
              Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
              The author of the expression is the English poet, critic, literary historian and lexicographer Samuel Johnson (1709-1784), who wanted to emphasize the nobility of patriotism with this phrase. And he wrote the word “patriot” only with a capital letter.
              Thus, in the article “Patriot” (1774), which had the subtitle “Appeal to the voters of Great Britain,” S. Johnson urged his readers to elect worthy people to the English parliament, true defenders of the interests of their country, for “only a Patriot deserves a seat in parliament. Nobody else will defend our rights, nobody else will deserve our trust. " And a patriot, according to S. Johnson, is one whose social activity is determined by only one single motive - love for his country, the one who, representing us in parliament, is guided in each case not by personal motives and fears, not personal kindness or resentment, but common interests ”(quoted from; Literaturnaya gazeta. 2001. 18-24a'pr.).
              Thus, the author’s meaning of this statement is: not everything was lost even for the most notorious villain, if he still has a sense of patriotism, obeying which he can perform a good deed, a noble act in war or in peaceful life. That is, patriotism for such a person is the last chance to be morally reborn, to justify his life.

              http://www.bibliotekar.ru/encSlov/15/12.htm
              [quote = alex86] I have a different idea of ​​the Motherland. (You used the term "own country" - maybe I'm wrong, and this is not the Motherland) [/ quote]
              Is that so?
              [quote = alex86] We would start to work, and not talk in the language at work, stop drinking (or reduce the dose to start) / quote]
              1. alex86
                alex86 23 October 2016 20: 49
                0
                I can only repeat myself:
                Quote: alex86
                Pedophile (a scoundrel - or is it not in your mind?) Atone for his sins, defending the homeland? Rapist (villain - or a
                in your view, no?) atone for their sins, protecting the homeland? What kind of homeland do you have? Like, a prostitute? Like, the pimp protects her - is she glad?

                This is regardless of the author’s meaning in the interpretation
                Quote: Dart2027
                http://www.bibliotekar.ru/encSlov/15/12.htm
                And one more thing: an article about the common man's hatred of the "west", do you clearly support this idea (or not?) - and at the same time refer to the "west" as a moral source? Once again: if a criminal talks about patriotism, can the crime be forgiven? The villain appeals to patriotism - and he is no longer a villain? Let's elect scum who talk about patriotism to the Duma - and get worthy representatives of the people? I repeat - are you out of your mind? According to your statement, in his - i.e. this is your idea of ​​morality - even if he is a scoundrel, but if he talks about patriotism - he is a worthy person. Well, this idea, apparently, corresponds to the idea of ​​the morality of our deputies and leaders in general. I feel sorry for my country, in that case - it is ruled by scum ...
                Quote: alex86
                And than broadcasting about hatred of the "west", maybe "they would have engaged in cleaning sheds - their direct business. And no devastation ..." - "Devastation in the heads." They would start working, and not chatting with their tongues at work, stopped drinking (or reduced the dose to begin with), started their own business (an author with an alternative way of thinking for some reason thinks that his business is to "rip off his last shirt in order to acquire fifth car or newfangled yacht. "

                This is not my idea, this is a form of participation in the life of the Motherland of talkers. who, instead of "doing business" (according to the old anecdote), they blame everything on the intrigues of the "West"
              2. alex86
                alex86 23 October 2016 21: 44
                0
                And by the way:
                Quote: Dart2027
                a patriot, according to S. Johnson, is one “whose social activity is determined by only one single motive - love for his country, one who, representing us in parliament, is guided in each case not by personal motives and fears, not by personal kindness or insult, but common interests "
                - does not imply (sorry for the novel) "villainy". Nothing in this definition says about the possibility of combining "patriot" and "scoundrel".
                And if you specify, then " he urges the nation to "recover from its error and unite in a general aversion to those who, deceiving the gullible by imaginary harm, subjugating the weak with bold lies, appealing to the judgments of ignorance and flattering the vanity of mediocrity, slandering honesty and insulting dignity (...) appropriate the name of patriots ""
                And in general, this expression today has lost that controversy, taken out of context and acquired a distinct unambiguity: the scoundrel, having no other choice, declares himself a patriot, hoping to deflect any accusations from himself ("chick-truck, I'm in the house, I'm a patriot") ...
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 23 October 2016 22: 41
                  0
                  Quote: alex86
                  And in general, this expression today has lost that controversy taken out of context and has become clearly unambiguous

                  Something I do not remember the official announcement.
                  Quote: alex86
                  Nothing in this definition says about the possibility of combining "patriot" and "scoundrel".

                  And where is the combination? This is about redemption - a repentant person can redeem his guilt by serving the Motherland. Simply put, as in the war "washed away the shame with blood."
                  1. alex86
                    alex86 24 October 2016 22: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Something I do not remember the official announcement.

                    Was there an official announcement of "correct reading"?
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    It is a question of atonement - a repentant person can atone for his service to the Motherland.

                    1. This is not about a repentant person - it does not follow from anywhere.
                    2. The judgment determines the guilt, and the atonement is the same. A villain is a non-judicial category, rather a moral one. There is no article for "villainy".
                    3. Try to evaluate your position - you are defending the villains. There are reasons? Is it a shame that the words "villain" and "patriot" are used together? Note that no one says that a patriot is a scoundrel. It is said that it is very effective for a scoundrel to pose as a patriot - and all the abomination of his actions will be written off. But, apparently, you and I have a different attitude towards villains. For me, a scoundrel does not cease to be such even when performing some formal actions.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 24 October 2016 23: 38
                      0
                      Quote: alex86
                      Try to evaluate your position - you protect the villains

                      I repeat once again - in this interpretation we are talking about repentance and the voluntary atonement of sins. I do not protect the villains, but sometimes people change. Basically not for the better, but it happens and vice versa.
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  3. EvgNik
    EvgNik 20 October 2016 05: 49
    +23
    Thank you, Ivan, for the honest and fair article. In Russia, many would subscribe to it. Yes. we hate the West. but really not for what? They deserve this hatred. The wars against Russia, the destruction of the Russian people. I do not think that in the future it will be different.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 20 October 2016 05: 56
      +19
      Yes, many people hate the West!
      BUT we have no propaganda to go to war, to kill the inhabitants of those countries!
      In the West there is such propaganda and it is stronger every day.
      The West hates us much stronger and much earlier!
    2. populist
      populist 20 October 2016 06: 23
      +4
      EvgNik
      Yes. we hate the West. but really not for what? They deserve this hatred

      It’s not enough to hate.
      A conscious and organized activity is needed.
      But there is almost no such activity, and the layman is unlikely to be able to do this. hi
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 20 October 2016 06: 54
        +9
        Quote: populist
        It’s not enough to hate.
        A conscious and organized activity is needed.

        God forbid there will be a war. Who will fight? Common man. And without hatred for the enemy you cannot fight. Which side of the front will the "Westerners" find themselves on? An interesting question.
    3. Aleksander
      Aleksander 20 October 2016 06: 53
      +7
      Quote: EvgNik
      Yes. we hate the West. but really not for what? They deserve this hatred


      I think that one does not need to hate anyone, just as one does not need to love anyone: one must be strong and build relationships with everyone on the basis of cold calculation and solely his own benefit, without rushing from one extreme to another, taking the best and rejecting the alien .....
    4. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 20 October 2016 16: 14
      +2
      You know, comrade, we hate the West. And how do we feel about our government if its chairman, nicknamed iPhone, represents the new deputy Mutko in English? Google it.
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 20 October 2016 17: 53
        +7
        How-how ... to relate to our government?
        So the author has clearly explained everything to you in Russian - one must hate the West and endure "bad power"! What is not clear HERE!
        To me, this author, a “simple man in the street,” painfully reminds me of one of my relatives, who is over 75. He also, being a “sofa man in front of the TV,” blames America and Europe for all his troubles. And for a small pension, and for expensive food with medicines and further on a very large list ... they say if it were not for their intrigues, then we would have lived like "Christ has a bosom"!
        However, after the election, another enemy deputy appeared ... oh how! Directly some kind of insight lit up.
        I personally don't give a damn about this west ... there is neither love nor anger ... so an empty place, no more. But I have real complaints about our current government and on many issues!
        And this article is very "correct", as if in the light of the policy of the ruling media ... for the thousandth time about Ukraine and Syria, but just not touch on painful problems inside the country!
        I want to remind members of the forum that neither the Russian Empire nor the USSR fell from the blows of the damned west ... their Judas with traitors in power destroyed them under the quiet puffing of the "inhabitants"!
        And it is still not clear who is more dangerous ... the West or their own, homegrown "Westerners" who "hate the most" the same West!
        Is it true that money, villas and their babies are in the same west?
        In what metamorphoses we have ....
    5. alex86
      alex86 20 October 2016 20: 25
      +3
      I propose, in my hatred, to strike a concrete blow at the "west" - right now, give up everything connected with it: start with the Internet, computer, phone, TV, car (who has it), flying on Boeings and Airbuses, traveling to Turkey and Egypt (I'm not talking about the rest), payments to state employees and the military program (we sell oil to the "west" - let them wash, eat it ourselves - and the budget is based on petrodollars). etc. So it's fair to start with yourself. And if not, then "stop strumming, Victoire!"
      1. 0255
        0255 20 October 2016 22: 05
        +1
        Quote: alex86
        I propose, in my hatred, to strike a concrete blow at the "west" - right now, give up everything connected with it: start with the Internet, computer, phone, TV, car (who has it), flying on Boeings and Airbuses, traveling to Turkey and Egypt (I'm not talking about the rest), payments to state employees and the military program (we sell oil to the "west" - let them wash, eat it ourselves - and the budget is based on petrodollars). etc. So it's fair to start with yourself. And if not, then "stop strumming, Victoire!"

        Urya-patriots will never give up wassat
    6. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 39
      0
      Quote: EvgNik
      Yes. we hate the West.
      No need to speak for everyone. For example, I don’t hate the West. The West has built a high standard of living for its citizens. This is where you need to take an example from them. And to be proud of the fact that we have 100500 missiles and tanks, and at the same time the widespread reduction of social services, pensions, benefits and other "no money, you hold on there", I do not see anything good.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 20 October 2016 05: 49
    +16
    Fir-tree sticks ... IVAN as a blueprint voiced my thoughts.
    I will add that from the WEST side two world wars came to us in which we lost millions of our men, women, children ... this cannot be forgiven ... this must be remembered every second.
    This gives me the strength and the will to resist all kinds of liberals talking about my people all sorts of nasty things.
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 October 2016 06: 20
      +19
      They tell me that Russia itself is to blame for its troubles, not the West.

      The article is empty.
      The author is no different from the same Russophobes screaming - Russia is to blame for everything.
      The West and the liberals are to blame for everything.
      . And Arseny himself wanted to live his own way. Not to fight, but to raise children. Here it is - the key cause of death. Like Alexey Mozgovoy too. The West does not want to give anyone "live their own way." Russia is the same.

      And who prevented him from doing this in Russia? Live your own way and raise children?
      I am a layman. And I understand that. Most of all I value this freedom - to live, albeit stupidly, but in my own way, and not by order of a distant alien benefactor.

      So if you (the author) have all this - freedom, the opportunity to live your own way - it’s not clear what a groan on the Volga is?
      Europe bothers you in your hometown to raise children (as you want), to work for the good of the family?
      Therefore, I hate the West! He smeared everything with feces at his place and wants to turn us into a cesspool.

      It reminded me of a joke
      - Why are Russians so eagerly awaiting Trump's victory in the US election?
      “They're tired of Obama shitting in their porches.”
      - And who told them that when Obama is not the president, he will stop shitting in the Russian entrances?

      To say that the Fuse is to blame for everything (what is happening in the country) - is it to either agree that all power (the vertical of power, coupled with GDP) in Russia is completely incompetent and cannot protect the country's national interests.
      Or how ?
      1. insular
        insular 20 October 2016 06: 33
        +16
        Quote: atalef
        The West and the liberals are to blame for everything.

        Perhaps the first time I agree. You are right, not only the West and the liberals are to blame, but also the Jews. fellow hi
        Quote: atalef
        - And who told them that when Obama is not the president, he will stop shitting in the Russian entrances?

        Sorry, but in the American entrances who is crap? also those whom you hinted at or only Putin (as usual)?
        Quote: atalef
        so it’s not clear what kind of groan on the Volga? Does Europe interfere in your native city with raising children (as you want), working for the good of the family?
        So sho in Crimea, sho on the Volga - there is Russia, and if Europe spoils Russia in Moscow, it automatically spoils both the Volga and the Crimea and Kamchatka ... We have such a geography .. Big, yeah
        If Russia is called the main enemy, they introduce deterrent measures, directly threaten with war and pull troops to OUR borders, impose sanctions "tearing the economy to shreds" - west is not winowat? Am I supposed to burst into tears right now and kiss the first Eurozone that I got from guilt?
      2. Same lech
        Same lech 20 October 2016 06: 48
        +6
        To say that the Fuse is to blame for everything (what is happening in the country) - is it to either agree that all power (the vertical of power, coupled with GDP) in Russia is completely incompetent and cannot protect the country's national interests.
        Or how ?

        And what kind of power fully protects the interests of the people and the country? ... maybe power in GERMANY or FRANCE ... or maybe in the USA? where blacks are police holes full of whatever they want ... or maybe in ISRAEL where Palestinians are full of holes worse than US blacks.
        In any government there are people who pursue the goals of those who appointed them there; the same applies to RUSSIA.
        As for the WEST ... sanctions against our country now what is this? potted flowers or what?
        And we are not being bombed right now just because they know ... something bigger can fly in response to the WEST.
        1. insular
          insular 20 October 2016 06: 56
          +14
          So, a Jewish comrade, we are rubbing the famous Goebels song about which Europeans are not our enemies ... But our own power uses us and in general we ourselves are to blame
          It’s not the propoganda itself that is funny, but the fact that it comes from a Jew
        2. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2016 07: 01
          +8
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And what kind of power fully protects the interests of the people and the country? ... maybe power in GERMANY or FRANCE ... or maybe in the USA?

          What does it mean to fully protect?
          I just can imagine if the prime minister would say all the problems in the country (ours, I mean) - the Arabs are to blame for everything.
          How long would he last laughing
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          where the blacks are police holes full of whatever they want.

          UUU, you are concerned about the fate of blacks in the United States, this is a serious reason for reducing the financing of health care in the country.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          ..and maybe in ISRAEL where the Palestinians are full of holes worse than US blacks.

          And you hand over a couple of cents for the needs of the unfortunate Palestinian people - why should you use your tongue for nothing?
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In any government there are people who pursue the goals of those who appointed them there; the same applies to RUSSIA.

          Maybe, but some people think about the people
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          As for the WEST ... sanctions against our country now what is this?

          Sanctions? Or counter-sanctions? All sanctions against Russia are in 2-x things
          Do not lend money - I understood what it was about, well, that would not go to the hated west with outstretched hands.
          and secondly, the West does not sell high-tech equipment (well, according to the statements of the Duma and Putin) - this is generally a blessing.
          More sanctions - remember the joyful cries? So what kind of cry?
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          And we are not being bombed right now just because they know ... something bigger can fly in response to the WEST.

          But who the hell is this for?
          1. insular
            insular 20 October 2016 07: 18
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Sanctions? Or counter-sanctions? All sanctions against Russia consist of 2 things: Do not lend money - I understood what it was about, so that they would not go to the hated west with outstretched hands.

            Shtozh you lie then cursed! laughing Only if?! And the freezing of investments, but the supply of key (sensitive) technologies is locked? And the sanctions against banks? And the ban on the import and export of key goods? And much, much, much more.

            And the statement from Russia about the insensitivity of the sanctions is a mirror response to the pearl of the human banan about "torn to shreds" and a significant part of the answer is political, and it was said. after Russia experienced the first shock of sanctions and when things started to recover.
            1. atalef
              atalef 20 October 2016 10: 49
              +7
              Quote: insular
              Only if?! A freezing investment

              Are they required to invest in Russia? Is it just that they are obliged or not to live with their grandmothers themselves?
              Quote: insular
              But is the supply of key (sensitive) technologies locked?

              And how are you? Not to develop - advanced science, sort of, defense industry, etc.?
              Quote: insular
              And the sanctions against banks?

              Is it in that part, that their (Russian banks) would give loans at 15-20%, and would be re-credited with cheap euros and dollars?
              Quote: insular
              And the ban on import and export of key goods?

              Decrypt? especially regarding export.

              Quote: insular
              And much, much, much more.

              All your moan is in one.
              You are the West - we hate you all, your whole system, gay marriage, liberals, do not meddle with us with your values ​​--- BUT ALL GIVE THE OTHER !!! crying
              Give money, invest in our economy, sell technology, buy our oil and gas. You simply owe us, because we are we.
              Himself not funny?
              Quote: insular
              And the statement from Russia about the insensitivity of the sanctions is a mirror response to the pearl of the human banana about "torn to shreds"

              so torn or not torn? If you aren’t sensitive, then you moan like that?
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 20 October 2016 20: 18
                0
                Do not give, but sell, unlike Jews and Ukrainians, we do not ask anyone for money. The West buys from us what it needs, but does not want to sell what we need, so what for such trade, to stop the export of raw materials and hydrocarbons to the West.
                1. alex86
                  alex86 20 October 2016 21: 40
                  0
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  stop exporting raw materials and hydrocarbons to the west.

                  A brilliant example of an alternative way of thinking (outlined in an accessible way?) - so they will be happy - and everyone: in the States, shale oil will trample, the Saudis will rejoice in unison with Iran, the Polish coal will jump, the Norwegians will get rich, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan will sing the ode "To joy" , Venezuela with Brazil and Mexico will rise, and even traditional US oil producers will bring you a kickback for such an offer. All that remains is to hang a thorn along the border and watch us with interest: how did they (we) not gobble each other up there? I really love such alternative-minded people - there are still roads to fix, and everything will become very good ...
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 20 October 2016 23: 12
                    0
                    Quote: alex86
                    A brilliant example of an alternative way of thinking

                    Alternative thinking is yours. This is because you do not understand economic laws.
                    Quote: alex86
                    I really love those alternative minded

                    The excess profits from the oil and gas trade greatly increase the national currency, which is good in the short term, improves the standard of living, but VERY bad in the long term, makes your goods uncompetitive and kills the industry.
                    It would be possible to understand if technology would be bought for these incomes, but whoever sells them to us, we are simply idioticly eating up the national treasures, apologizing for the banality.
                    1. alex86
                      alex86 21 October 2016 07: 50
                      +1
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      we are just idiotic eating up the national treasure, I apologize for the banality.

                      "West" is to blame for this?
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 21 October 2016 21: 12
                        0
                        It is the West that is to blame; they came up with and imposed this scheme on us.
                    2. alex86
                      alex86 21 October 2016 07: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      for these revenues they bought technology, but who will sell them to us

                      Before "krymnash" they were ready to sell us anything - did it help us?
                      And yet - and we are no longer able to create technology for these revenues ourselves? (The question is rhetorical, it is not necessary to answer)
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 21 October 2016 21: 14
                        0
                        Quote: alex86
                        Before "krymnash" they were ready to sell us anything - did it help us?

                        You either do not know, or you are lying, no one was going to sell us "anything", remember the attempt to buy "Opel", but these are not high technologies, but banal mass consumer goods.
                        Quote: alex86
                        And yet - and we are no longer able to create technology for these revenues ourselves?

                        But for this, it is not necessary to trade resources; technologies within the country are created at the expense of internal resources.
                      2. alex86
                        alex86 21 October 2016 21: 52
                        0
                        Excuse me, KartoS, the answer to your comment is posted for some reason at the end - "Opel" is a pure economy. no one wants to breed competitors (albeit assholes, like in a basin), and no one wants to discredit the brand.
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        technologies within the country are created from domestic resources.
                        - yes, I am FOR, because it is not created like that ... (which is extremely sad ...)
                      3. alex86
                        alex86 21 October 2016 22: 06
                        0
                        I have to comment on myself - the answers to you are posted without binding, at the very end:
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        It is the West that is to blame; they came up with and imposed this scheme on us.

                        and we are so "alternatively thinking" that we accepted it and exist in its paradigm. That is, the head is not in order with us. and the "west" is to blame? Like, he's smarter. Like, he outwitted us. Like, we're here "from the Urals." Like we're good but stupid. You get this interesting idea of ​​"us". At the same time, I do not agree with such a concept "in terms of", but "in life" - it is. They imposed on us - we accepted. They are smart - we are good. Eat us with porridge - we will lament. Do you seriously consider us such "alternatively thinking"? All? Not just yourself? I'm sorry. I thought we had smart ones ... But if you think not, maybe you are right ... It's a pity. Country, future, children, history ...
              2. zoolu300
                zoolu300 22 October 2016 07: 27
                0
                For the first time I agree with the Enemy. The West is the Enemy and all his actions are aimed at our destruction, and blaming the enemy for destroying you is nonsense.
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 20 October 2016 07: 56
            +3
            But who the hell is this for?


            In Yugoslavia, they also thought so ... and where is YUGOSLAVIA.

            More sanctions - remember the joyful cries? So what kind of cry?

            I agree ... the need will force the KREMLIN to develop the necessary industries and agriculture ... what is happening now ... one problem is wasting time and additional resources have to be invested by raising taxes for the average person.

            Maybe, but some people think about the people

            Yeah, day and night they cherish ... smile
            how to invent a new tax

            As for blacks, Arabs, etc. as one character said ... the sheriff’s Indians don’t care.
            So my task is not to become this very Indian for your sheriff. smile
          3. Aleksander
            Aleksander 20 October 2016 13: 36
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            All sanctions against Russia are in 2-s things; Do not lend money - I understood what I mean, well, what would with outstretched hand to the hated west did not go.

            Strange look at mutually beneficial for both sides business
            - each receives its benefits (one percent, another means).

            Mixed up, right, with annual almsserved to Israel by the United States in the form of military and economic assistance. Yes

            For example: "Sep 13, 2016, the United States and Israel reach a final agreement on a record new US military aid to Israel of 38 billion (http://www.golos-ameriki.ru/a/new-us-military-ai
            d-deal-for-israel / 3505993.html)

            And this is no longer just an "outstretched hand", it is already on love for money it seems (how does it sound in Russian?)
            Although I understand the need for this alms: after all, "there are enemies around" Yes
      3. bocsman
        bocsman 20 October 2016 07: 48
        +6
        Well, Atalef drew himself and put everything on the shelves! And in a hidden form, he advised me to sit exactly on the floor ... and not speak. They there in Israel know how to live! And we do not! But one thing we know for sure. Do not teach us how to live! Moreover, from these tips life just gets worse. Examples of how to clean up the villains from the West can not be counted and they are all by ear.
        1. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2016 10: 54
          +3
          Quote: bocsman
          Well, Atalef drew himself and put everything on the shelves! And in a hidden form, he advised me to sit exactly on ... and not speak

          No, I didn’t say that.
          Quote: bocsman
          . They there in Israel know how to live!

          It’s empty - everyone knows how to live, only for someone it works out well, for someone badly, and for someone - nothing at all.

          Quote: bocsman
          And we do not! But one thing we know for sure. Do not teach us how to live!

          God forbid. Everyone chooses his own path only if you tell the West not to teach us how to live and we do what we want - then do not cry over the fact that they do not give you money and technology.
      4. Winnie76
        Winnie76 20 October 2016 08: 52
        +5
        I don’t know who is crap in the entrance of Atalefa, I’m even afraid to guess laughing Everything is clean with me, you can operate on the floor. Apparently Obama is not enough at all.
        1. Damir
          Damir 20 October 2016 09: 57
          +1
          I just can imagine if the prime minister would say all the problems in the country (ours, I mean) - the Arabs are to blame
          but the genetically dead woman somehow succeeds ... what problem do not take ....
          1. Damir
            Damir 20 October 2016 10: 06
            +2
            UUU, you are worried about the fate of blacks in the USA, this is a serious reason for reducing the financing of health care in the country

            You have a little confused causation, the real reason for reducing health care funding is the NATO base on our borders and the need for rearmament associated with it ...
      5. Aleksander
        Aleksander 20 October 2016 13: 16
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Him in everything the West and the liberals are to blame


        He has NO such statement.
        Quote: atalef
        And who prevented him from doing this in Russia? Live your own way and raise children?


        He lived in the Novorossiysk Territory of Russia - in Donetsk-Yuzovka and raised his children there, for Donbass has always been Russia. If you don’t agree, then first call on the Jews to raise their children only in the Israeli recognized UN territories, and not in the occupied Arab territories, otherwise they look ridiculous.
      6. bk316
        bk316 20 October 2016 17: 31
        +3
        No, you didn’t understand the main idea, it’s not about who is to blame, it is about that. LEAVE US AT rest, WE KNOW WHAT WE DO.
        This also applies to you.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 41
          0
          Quote: bk316
          Leave us alone, we ourselves know what to do.
          Judging by the actions of the government, we DO NOT know what to do.
  5. dmi.pris1
    dmi.pris1 20 October 2016 06: 02
    +6
    To our great regret, not everyone thinks like Ivan ... A whole generation has been taught to think, analyze, create-bucks and "Coca" flooded the minds of young people. And this is the tip of the iceberg, and how many drugs and creatures are selling her with impunity. The Orthodox world is fighting in moderation our capabilities with this evil. We see what the Westernizers have turned our Great Motherland into and therefore we hate the West
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 October 2016 06: 29
      +5
      Quote: dmi.pris
      .The whole generation weaned to think, analyze

      Sorry, but I’ve definitely not found the analysis in the article.
      Besides the heart-rending cry - the West is to blame for everything - is there anything at all?
      Saddam dragged?
      He is what in Russia improved or worsened life?
      I'm sick of chanting the heroes of war.

      those the author wants to say that the chanting of the heroics of war goes to Russia from the West?
      or what makes him sick then?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 20 October 2016 07: 10
        +6
        Sorry, but I’ve definitely not found the analysis in the article.


        smile Actually, the author did not set out to analyze the actions of the WEST ... it will take several volumes ...
        I also do not find analysis in the statements of some comrades from ISRAEL ... a purely Jewish conviction.
        1. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2016 07: 15
          +4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In fact, the author did not set out to analyze the actions of the WEST

          Of course - screaming - you are to blame for everything and I hate you all - very simple
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          I also do not find analysis in the statements of some comrades from ISRAEL ... a purely Jewish conviction.

          Well, from the beginning, at least answer some of my doubts about the author’s correctness, and then he can quietly go down to the analysis.
          1. insular
            insular 20 October 2016 07: 27
            +7
            Quote: atalef
            Well, from the beginning, at least answer some of my doubts about the author’s correctness, and then he can quietly go down to the analysis.

            This is a great but old way of trolling, throw it on the fan and make your opponent make excuses and prove.
            And now, you will now be provided with an analysis of the situation, and we will evaluate it, and not vice versa. But do not do this with relics taken out of context with a twisting of the essence.
            You’ll roll an article for us, and we will evaluate in the comments which West is friend and which we are not grateful ...

            Otherwise, such people in Russia were whipped up with a whip and a broom. We, Russians, of course gullible bastards, apparently for you, but we don’t believe in the honesty of the game with a sprinkled deck, and we don’t take our word for it and will not prove it.
            VI arrived in England. He sat down to play cards. in "blackjack", "point" in ours. He has 20. And the gentleman says: "I have 21!" VI says: “Let's check!” They explained to him that they take the gentleman's word for it. "And then, Petka, such a map flooded me!
          2. Same lech
            Same lech 20 October 2016 07: 30
            +6
            I hate you all - very simple


            It is not easy just ... I have no hatred of the WEST ... for me the WEST is the place from which troubles and problems constantly come to us and we have to fight it ... that's all.
            And your doubts smile are purely human in nature ... I think it’s just unpleasant for you when they speak bluntly about rejecting the WEST for one reason or another (the author is the same person as you and has the right to speak out because he understands the situation ... emotionally? perhaps yes)

            I sometimes go to some sites of Jewish comrades and read the same thing from your fellow tribesmen regarding RUSSIA ... not the most flattering words, let's say frankly.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 October 2016 06: 10
    +4
    "But liberalism, as a refuge and a refuge for the Westernizer in Russia, appears to be a fact."
    It turns out butter butter. Liberal values ​​are always western.
    Well, "Westerner" in Russia is not a curse, but a point of view. And for a long time, and every day you need to explain why this is bad.
    For Western values, a liberal is ready to fight with his people, to abandon the Motherland and hate it, take any slogans and solve any tasks set by the West. And most importantly, take "GRANTS" - 30 pieces of silver.
    Therefore, I prefer: "Liberalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 20 October 2016 14: 38
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Well, "Westerner" in Russia is not a curse, but a point of view

      And perhaps that is a curse.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Therefore, I prefer: "Liberalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

      But I really liked this quote. +++
  7. ML-334
    ML-334 20 October 2016 06: 14
    +8
    Thanks to the liberals for instilling in us the immunity of rejection of "democracy" in the 90s, we will never forget this lesson.
  8. vfqjh
    vfqjh 20 October 2016 06: 18
    +5
    Thanks to the author for his opinion, which I fully share (I would not have been able to present it so completely). +++
  9. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 20 October 2016 06: 33
    +8
    I do not hate the West. I cannot stand his arrogance and duplicity. His confidence in his innocence. His blatant irresponsibility! They still can not clearly explain what Gaddafi was to blame for and why they bombed Libya! And I want to shout to them:
    “You guys are really crazy to believe what you are saying, or are you just pretending to be?”
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 October 2016 07: 09
      +5
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      I cannot stand his arrogance and duplicity. His confidence in his innocence

      Have you ever seen anyone from the government (I mean the Russian one) - doubts and statements like - are we doing something wrong?
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      They still can not clearly explain what Gaddafi was to blame for and why they bombed Libya!

      Leave Libya alone. It ended already and not Gaddafi (it’s a pity, man, with whom it was possible to deal with anyone. Although, Sarkozy and Berlusconi would be good friends of the GDP on this issue could give a detailed answer)
      What does Libya and the living standards of Russians have to do with it?
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Are you guys really crazy to believe what you say or just pretend to be?

      I would like to ask the same question when I watch (sometimes) Solovyov and 60 minutes.
      A bunch of madmen.
      1. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 20 October 2016 07: 16
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        I would like to ask the same question when I watch (sometimes) Solovyov and 60 minutes.
        A bunch of madmen.


        Jacob Kedmi, in your opinion, a madman ?!
        1. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2016 10: 59
          +3
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Quote: atalef
          I would like to ask the same question when I watch (sometimes) Solovyov and 60 minutes.
          A bunch of madmen.


          Jacob Kedmi, in your opinion, a madman ?!

          Jacob Kedmi - after he did not get into the Knesset, he turned into an ordinary conjuncturist. I don’t know if he lives in Israel (now) —but in any case, he doesn’t shine anywhere and is not heard in any media.
          I want to eat Yasha, and when your stomach growls, you’ll say what is expected of you.
          I don’t believe in his analysis (although I’m not saying that everything he says is not true) - it just doesn’t smell of objectivity there.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 20 October 2016 19: 54
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        I would like to ask the same question when I watch (sometimes) Solovyov and 60 minutes.
        A bunch of madmen.

        Sasha ...
        This is a direct divine revelation .... crying
        Do you prefer to watch the pre-election debate of an alpha millionaire and a gay woman?
        wassat
  10. nik1321
    nik1321 20 October 2016 06: 34
    +3
    Why hate the west? strangely enough, the same people live there, but in many ways they are different and far from like us. But this is not their fault, but often their misfortune. So what the rulers of fate do is not the fact that all people share their opinions, but what’s the reason - by right of the strong, they are almost enslaved to the powerful of this world (only everything has been done so that they would think that they are free more than anyone else - haven’t we built communism?). In terms of the information that they are taught, education (including same-sex marriage) ) and the laws by which they live - their way of life is formed. The West today is taking on more and more the image of an enemy - which, as you know, needs to be respected and understood the language that you need to speak with it. Let's separate the flies from cutlets - the West is not only the Clinton or Bush family, it is not even an English queen, but many millions more who lives works and brings up their children in the conditions that exist, and I think they least want to die in Vietnam or Iraq. Another thing is that many of those who came to power are just creating crimes all over the world, a handful of bastards deserving nothing to ohm punishment and they are aware of this .Poetomu they tend to hold the entire world in such a state as a profitable for them, that would not lose power and not get on the dock. The West does not need not to love, not to hate - it must be perceived as it is and to live with it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 October 2016 06: 47
      +8
      Quote: nik1321
      the same people live there, but in many ways they are different and far from like us. But this is not their fault, but often their misfortune

      Trouble? What's the trouble?
      For the most part, they live at a fairly good standard of living, have decent medical care, free education, social protection, as a rule, a fairly secured old age and a life expectancy of over 80 years. Who did all this to them? Russia ?
      No, they created it for themselves - so what's the trouble?
      I think the basis of the cry of the author’s soul is a typical misunderstanding (the basis of which excuse me is simply envy) and a breakdown of consciousness --- why do they have homosexuals, refugees, a rotting economy, liberals in power, etc. etc. (the whole set of stereotypes) --- all there is.
      And I (I mean the author) have none of this.
      The answer of course is very fast - due to the fact that Saddam and Gaddafi failed. Of course, a serious cause of problems in Russia.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 20 October 2016 06: 57
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        I think the basis of the cry of the author’s soul is a typical misunderstanding (the basis of which excuse me is simply envy) and a breakdown of consciousness --- why do they have homosexuals, refugees, a rotting economy, liberals in power, etc. etc. (the whole set of stereotypes) --- all there is.

        I disagree with you. I, personally, and the author, IMHO, have no envy. The majority on VO too. There is such a concept as justice, universal and state. And it is not expressed in the principle of "divide equally". Many see that in interstate relations the "big west" does what it needs and what it considers necessary, regardless of international law. Of course, not only the West is to blame for many of Russia's troubles, but while arrogantly teaching others, the West itself does not adhere to the principles being promoted. In Libya, secular Gaddafi is a tyrant, in Saudi Arabia with an absolute monarchy, everything is fine. The international coalition en masse separated Kosovo from Serbia, Russia in similar situations - the "evil empire".
        1. atalef
          atalef 20 October 2016 11: 10
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          I do not agree with you. I, personally, and the author, IMHO, have no envy. Most have in VO too. There is such a thing as justice

          Remarkably, JUSTICE, but to the concept of not justice, did you come from what? Comparing the standard of living with them and at home - maybe of course you avoided the feeling of some envy and immediately turned to the notion of justice. But what are they to blame for?
          Say Belgians, Dutch, Germans, Luxembourgers. Monegasque, Finns. Swedes and many more states - which didn’t do anything bad to Russia, but live much better? Not justice in what?
          Quote: Vladimirets
          And it is not expressed in the principle of "divide equally".

          Why should they share with you? Maybe you worked for them?
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Many see that in interstate relations the "big west" does what it needs and what it considers necessary, regardless of international law.

          It’s better not to go into international law (although who would explain to me what it is) in more detail, what they violate and how it affects the life of Russians?
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The West itself does not adhere to propaganda principles. In Libya, secular Gaddafi is a tyrant, in Saudi Arabia with an absolute monarchy, everything is fine.

          What do you want from this? Eli the level of medical care and pensions in Russia depends on whether the tyrant is the king of Saudi Arabia or not?
          Strange, I would like to see some Frenchman who says - I have a bad social network, because Putin supports Assad. laughing
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The international coalition all in all has separated Kosovo from Serbia,

          Therefore, in Russia confiscated the entire funded part of pensions?
          Well, you know, from the fact that they separated Kosovo - my life hasn’t changed at all, and Westerners have the same thing in Japan, and even in the DPRK — but what has changed in your country?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 20 October 2016 17: 05
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Comparing the standard of living with them and at home - maybe of course you avoided the feeling of some envy and immediately turned to the notion of justice. But what are they to blame for?
            Say Belgians, Dutch, Germans, Luxembourgers. Monegasque, Finns. Swedes and many more states - which didn’t do anything bad to Russia, but live much better? Not justice in what?

            Damn, I repeat once again: I don’t envy me from the big bell tower on material wealth in comparison with them.
            Quote: atalef
            Why should they share with you? Maybe you worked for them?

            Damn, what is it! It should not, and it is not necessary. No.
            Quote: atalef
            It’s better not to go into international law (although who would explain to me what it is) in more detail, what they violate and how it affects the life of Russians?

            On the life of the Russians? Directly, this is about sanctions.
            Quote: atalef
            What do you want from this? Eli the level of medical care and pensions in Russia depends on whether the tyrant is the king of Saudi Arabia or not?
            Strange, I would like to see some Frenchman who says - I have a bad social network, because Putin supports Assad.

            No need to juggle, or as it is now fashionable to say: to manipulate. The West imposes sanctions on Russia, and simply criticizes it, for exactly the same thing as it does itself. fool
            Quote: atalef
            Well, you know, from the fact that they separated Kosovo - my life hasn’t changed at all, and Westerners have the same thing in Japan, and even in the DPRK — but what has changed in your country?

            The Serbs have changed. I understand that for the Jews there is no concept of a fraternal people, but we do.
          2. bocsman
            bocsman 20 October 2016 17: 13
            +3
            Atalef is a substitute for concepts. Of course, life in Russia has not become worse from the fact that Gaddafi was meanly killed and someone else next to him. The bottom line is that the West is doing evil all over the world, overthrowing legitimate governments, plunging previously quite prosperous countries into chaos, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. At the same time, hiding behind the ideas of humanism and democracy. And Atalef suggests not to pay attention to it and go about your own type of business. But the fact is that NATO is already on the border with Russia and only a complete "especially gifted" one can ignore this. How it all ended, we have already passed! And at the expense of loans and other things, Russia, like other countries in the world, is entering the global market and what's wrong with that? The fact that some countries are forced to make room (but do not want to). But the West itself shouted that Russia should become an open country, etc. But it turns out that you had to open your own market and that's it, trade in raw materials and not rock the boat. What is Russia bad for the West? Yes, those that require equal treatment! And not only to yourself!
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 20 October 2016 07: 07
        +4
        And I am sick of the fact that the United States and the West, imagining themselves to be "exceptional", consider only their opinions and actions to be correct, and to those who disagree "carry their vision of the world" on the wings of "democracy and freedom", after which blood begins to shed. “They don’t climb into someone else’s monastery with their own charter,” a Russian proverb. When, yours, Alexander, your neighbor begins to teach you how to eat, drink, raise your children, love your wife, will you fall in love with him or will you try to send culturally ?!
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 49
          0
          Quote: B.T.W.
          the neighbor will begin to teach you how to eat, drink, raise your children, love your wife, will you love him or will you try to send him culturally ?!
          In your example, "not everything is so simple" laughing Your neighbor can be a very decent person with a lot of life experience, and you can be a stupid idiot in life, and the advice of such a person can really help you not do stupid things that you will later regret all your life. Naturally, if you do not bring everything to the point of absurdity. As for the United States, their support helped most Asian tigers like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, etc. get out of poverty.
      3. bocsman
        bocsman 20 October 2016 07: 57
        +2
        Another nonsense about a happy life in the West! It cannot be there and cannot be. Where money is placed at the forefront and not moral principles, neither society nor civilization as a whole can develop normally! This explains the whole policy of the West, all their wars of conquest! They shout about democracy and the arch and actually destroy people.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 52
          0
          Quote: bocsman
          Am where money is at the forefront and not moral principles, neither society nor civilization as a whole can develop normally!
          Ok, in which countries moral principles are at the forefront and at the same time a high standard of living is achieved ?! Russia does not offer, there is neither one nor the other.
          And in general, I always believed that moral principles should be put at the forefront in the relations of people, and not in the development of the state’s economy, because in any case everything rests on money and on how to get them.
      4. Molot1979
        Molot1979 20 October 2016 11: 06
        +2
        The basis of the cry of the author’s soul is a reluctance for someone to make him happy by force. It is a normal desire for a normal person. With which envy (why?) Has nothing to do
    2. bk316
      bk316 20 October 2016 17: 41
      +2
      But it’s not their fault, but often their misfortune

      Here atalef answered you, not wanting it. This is not their trouble, this is their conscious choice. It is beneficial for them that the bastards rule them, because these bastards provide them with a standard of living, and they don’t give a damn what money is in the blood. So they are responsible for the crimes, everyone is responsible.
  11. kuz363
    kuz363 20 October 2016 07: 07
    +1
    Russia's misfortune is that it has always been defeated from within, not from without. The government itself was building palace coups, beginning with the tsars and ending in 1993. And Russia historically will always live worse than other countries. At least look at the size of the 2015 budget in 19th place between Norway and Venezuela. And if you calculate the annual budget per capita, then at the level of African countries.
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 October 2016 07: 31
    +6
    Good article. It is written from the heart based on the sore. It reflects just what a simple Russian citizen thinks about. Big +.
    Rђ RІRѕS, atalef distinguished himself again, taking it as envy of the Western way of life. Well, what can I say? Probably parts (I emphasize that not all) of Russian Jews can not be understood.
  13. cedar
    cedar 20 October 2016 07: 43
    +3
    Bankers have long turned the West into a trap for most of humanity. The "richest" country in the United States owes the bankers the most, i.e. laid down and re-laid down with all its population. "Who owes whom, he is a slave" Under the dictation of the financial tycoons, the West-West brings the World "freedom" from conscience, shame and humanity, and "democracy", the rule of the people. A nation that imagines itself to be God's chosen one. Chosen by mammon.
    "6:24. No one can serve two masters: for either
    He will hate one, and love the other; or
    one will become zealous, and neglect the other.
    You cannot serve God and mammon. "
  14. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 20 October 2016 07: 53
    +3
    Strongly Written! With the author I agree!
  15. olezenka1
    olezenka1 20 October 2016 08: 10
    +1
    Yes! To the author.
  16. sa-ag
    sa-ag 20 October 2016 08: 37
    +9
    "That is why I hate the West! He has soiled everything with feces and wants to turn us into a cesspool."

    Author, throw your computer into the cesspool, he is the legacy of the damned bourgeois, data is transmitted using the damned bourgeois TCP / IP protocol stack, the processor architecture of your cell phone was developed by the hated bourgeois company ARM, the Yatran typewriter and TA-72 phones will save us from rolling into the aforementioned pit :-)
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 20 October 2016 12: 17
      +3
      throw your computer away

      Standby proposal to criticize the United States. You still forgot about the iPhone and other gadgets. Then the Americans can be offered not to launch rockets on our engines, to abandon our titanium ... How do you like this offer?
  17. Baloo
    Baloo 20 October 2016 08: 41
    +5
    Therefore, I hate the West! He smeared everything with feces at his place and wants to turn us into a cesspool. And we just think to live our own way and we don’t need anything else. Believe us to be idiots and inconsiderate, but leave us behind with your love and progress.
    Somehow, we will live without the well-beings of foreigners, launching rockets into space with the sound of bells and the singing of priests ...
    Yes

    I subscribe, this is my opinion too. hi
  18. Skeptic Self-Taught
    Skeptic Self-Taught 20 October 2016 09: 24
    +1
    The double impression of the article.
    By the style of writing - I did not like it at all, even the thoughts that the author expresses - in this style of presentation cause some irritation or something.
    Although the author’s conclusions are clearly correct. Which he voiced.
    In general, I will give the article a plus. It is for THIS: "The West does not want to give anyone" to live their own way. "(C)
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 20 October 2016 11: 01
      +4
      Quote: Skeptic Self-taught
      It is for THIS: "The West does not want to give anyone" to live their own way "

      That's why you have an importing car, all the electronics at home, fly on Boeing and write to Windows?)) Do you go to a purely Russian movie?
      Let the west continue to interfere with my life, I do not mind))
  19. CONTROL
    CONTROL 20 October 2016 09: 41
    0
    Here's another paradox: lately it has become increasingly noticeable that the West hates the West! ... well, and all the rest - as they say, "to the heap!" No one has not that friends, but - and allies! More and more "partners" ...
    I look at diplomats and all kinds of international leaders ... in negotiations with "partners" - just don't hold on to their pockets ... and they don't hang padlocks on wallets ...
  20. guzik007
    guzik007 20 October 2016 10: 20
    +2
    I am a layman.
    ---------------------------
    No, man, you're not a layman. For the definition of the word philistine-hut, gardener, geranium on the window and my hut from the edge-I don’t know anything. This is how the philistine differs from a citizen with an active position.
    This does not mean that I agree with you on everything, but arouses respect.
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 20 October 2016 10: 31
    +9
    I read the article, and comments on it ...
    ------------------------
    This is the question that has arisen - even, rather, has come up - where? ...
    Let's say - where did they come from in Ukraine - no, not immature "Svidomo" "participants" and "heroes" of the ATO, but their commanders? All sorts of ministers (monster-nisters ...) of defense, Avakovs and all sorts of Poltoraks? ... They are SOVIET OFFICERS for upbringing and education !!!? How did they become Bandera and fascists? With a history of a country like Russia? Question, huh? ...
    ------------------------
    Somehow, quite a long time ago, I was able to carry out some contractual work on the Kola Peninsula: to pound the earth there, to test surface geology ... And we came across human bones ... and overcoats ... and decayed papers — documents ?. ..Well, stopped at this place; in the city they reported to the police (then not the police ...).
    They are somewhere else, to local historians, or something ... In general, the guys came to our place to dig! Found the remains of fighters of the Red Army from 41-45 years.
    And recently, I accidentally stumbled on the Internet on material - just about this find! Excavated, found out and who they are, these soldiers, and how they were killed. There were two of them - prisoners of war captured by the advancing German troops; out of a fairly decent grouping - only two! They also found information in the German archives about this episode - the execution, and photographs - which the Germans took there ...
    So - according to the material, and from these photos - it is difficult to imagine some soldier of the modern army showing SUCH contempt for death and enemies, like these two - in front of a crowd of armed soldiers and officers of the enemy army! Blindfold - stripped off bandages; kneeling - getting up; turned their backs - turned to face the shooters (as in the report of the German officer)!
    ... Well, is that so, by the way ... or out of place?
    ... or regarding and thoughts on the article, comments on it .... And those who comment - at least some of them! ...
    (... I will not name the nicknames of "some" ...)
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    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 20 October 2016 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: Al1977
      It is because of them that you live like that. And in your heart you dream of capturing and bombing everyone. and become kings of the world))


      Forgive me, you have not confused anything ?! Or, have you put your dreams into such an "interesting" form ?!

      Quote: Al1977
      Funny, ridiculous homeless people))


      "Stunning" revelation, and you, "whose will you be ?!
  23. Retvizan
    Retvizan 20 October 2016 11: 13
    +4
    Who is to blame and what to do? (Eternal question)
    Answer - The West is to blame and you need to hate it. (Under the article)
    And it doesn’t work out. No, shouting that I hate the West / liberals and so on, you can. But it's' too late.
    RF is part of the Western system! Inside, you can yell about hatred of the United States (and act only within the framework of the United States), but outwardly everyone loves each other.
    Hate has never been constructive! There is nothing to build on hatred.
    Here I look, at all times, the climatic difference between the peoples of Russia from Europe led to the fact that it is easier to consider all guilty than to reject hatred and take the good and not take the bad!
    All are bad, we are good ...
    Be smarter - there are no good whites and fluffy either in the Russian Federation or in the West. You must be able to survive on the planet!
  24. iouris
    iouris 20 October 2016 11: 29
    +2
    What is the West for the author ("addresses, passwords, appearances")? The theoretical and conceptual level of publication is extremely low.
  25. Huron
    Huron 20 October 2016 11: 55
    +3
    Our hatred for the West is based on their hatred for us. But we didn't start, and not yesterday. Knowing what the "civilized Europeans" did on our land during the Great Patriotic War, it is difficult to maintain a neutral attitude even towards their descendants. All the more so if these descendants at every corner are trying to talk about our "savagery, aggressiveness and inferiority", while they themselves do not change in their actions. We hate them (rather despise them) because we stopped lying to ourselves. They began to call things by their proper names. Now we have to learn by ourselves, to talk to them about it. The average man there is not stupid, he will understand.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2016 11: 00
      +1
      Quote: Guron
      "civilized Europeans" got up on our land during the Great Patriotic War
      You still remember Batu’s invasion of Russian lands and begin to hate Mongolia for this. The war ended long ago, those responsible were held accountable. So will you live in the past ?!
      Quote: Guron
      it is difficult to maintain a neutral attitude even to their descendants.
      I'm even scared. When you come to Europe as a tourist, I hope you don’t rush people ?!
      Quote: Guron
      these descendants at every corner trynd about our "savagery, aggressiveness and inferiority", while they themselves do not change in their actions
      Did any Europeans personally tell you that "you are wild, aggressive and inferior"?
      Quote: Guron
      We hate them (rather despise them)
      Who are we"?
      Quote: Guron
      Now we would have to learn for ourselves, to tell them about it. There the layman is not stupid, he will understand.
      Aren't you afraid to make the audience laugh ?! laughing
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 22 October 2016 11: 55
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        The war is long over, the perpetrators held accountable

        Given the fact that Hitler was created in order to invade the USSR, not everyone is guilty.
        Quote: Greenwood
        Did any Europeans personally tell you that "you are wild, aggressive and inferior"?

        You do not read their press and statements of officials?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 October 2016 12: 58
          0
          I thought we had a more or less serious discussion here, and we went into conspiracy theories.
          Quote: Dart2027
          Hitler was created to invade the USSR
          And who created that? Jews, Masons, evil Anglo-Saxons, or maybe aliens ?! Like dibs on a bench, by golly.
          Quote: Dart2027
          You do not read their press and statements of officials?
          Not all the press and not all officials say this, many advise you to seriously listen to Russia and resume cooperation with it. And yes, about the press, it can be different, on "Dozhd" or "Echo of Moscow" they also say a lot about Russia, and what's next ?!
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 October 2016 14: 31
            0
            Quote: Greenwood
            I thought we had a more or less serious discussion here, and we got conspiracy theories.

            Then explain, without conspiracy theory, why these prices suddenly suddenly drop for no reason. Iashins stopped traveling, planes stopped flying, ships stopped floating, the chemical industry stopped. The Saudis no longer need money and they suddenly decided to lower their income.
            At the same time, without conspiracy theory, explain why the United States cannot cope with Daesh in any way.
            Quote: Greenwood
            And who created that

            Have you ever heard of the Munich Agreement, the Strange War, the abolition of the military articles of the Treaty of Versailles and the fact that he lost the election and was appointed?
            Quote: Greenwood
            Like dibs on a bench, by golly.

            That is nothing to say?
            Quote: Greenwood
            Not all press and not all officials declare this

            Not all. Here are just those who manage just one of them.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 22 October 2016 16: 07
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              these prices suddenly for no reason drop sharply.
              Where, when, for what? Specify.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Iashins stopped traveling, planes stopped flying, ships stopped floating, the chemical industry stopped. The Saudis no longer need money and they suddenly decided to lower their income.
              Here it is written well about this. http: // inosmi.ru/world/20150120/225698173. html
              Quote: Dart2027
              Have you ever heard of the Munich Agreement, the Strange War, the abolition of the military articles of the Treaty of Versailles and the fact that he lost the election and was appointed?
              Ok, let's not go into this cosyrology. Who is specifically guilty and not punished?
              Quote: Dart2027
              That is nothing to say?
              It’s just that the discussion is slipping into the format of programs on the Ren-TV channel, it makes sense for me to react to this.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Here are just those who manage just one of them.
              In different countries, different governments have different attitudes towards Russia. Somewhere worse, somewhere better, somewhere neutral. Maybe we will proceed at least from this.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 22 October 2016 17: 52
                0
                Quote: Greenwood
                Where, when, for what? Specify.
                For oil. Or do you not know where all this mess with the ruble exchange rate and budget began?
                Quote: Greenwood
                http:// inosmi.ru/world/20150120/225698173. html

                Firstly, what did the USA restore there, if the crisis didn’t even think about ending; secondly, why did this consumption of petroleum products suddenly fall, since they are unnecessary; thirdly, about shale hydrocarbons only the lazy did not hear that it was just a fiction; fourthly, I asked a simple and clear question and would like to receive the same simple and clear answer
                Quote: Dart2027
                Then explain, without conspiracy theory, why these prices suddenly suddenly drop for no reason. Iashins stopped traveling, planes stopped flying, ships stopped floating, the chemical industry stopped. The Saudis no longer need money and they suddenly decided to lower their income.
                At the same time, without conspiracy theory, explain why the United States cannot cope with Daesh in any way.

                So why?
                Quote: Greenwood
                Ok, let's not go into this cosyrology. Who is specifically guilty and not punished?

                Quote: Dart2027
                Have you ever heard of the Munich Agreement, the Strange War, the abolition of the military articles of the Treaty of Versailles and the fact that he lost the election and was appointed?

                We open any history textbook and look for articles dedicated to these events. Read.
                Quote: Greenwood
                It’s just that the discussion is slipping into the format of programs on the Ren-TV channel

                Are you this to yourself? I agree.
                Quote: Greenwood
                In different countries, different governments have different attitudes towards Russia.
                Now the West is the United States, and they are enemies.
  26. 0255
    0255 20 October 2016 12: 25
    +4
    They tell me that Russia itself is to blame for its troubles, not the West.

    And what, only the State Department and Obama are to blame for everything, but not our authorities? Is it Obama who spoils our roads personally, raises prices and taxes, destroys enterprises, cuts the budget? It was Obama who told the Crimean pensioners "there is no money, but you are holding on, are you in a good mood," advised the teachers to go into business?
    What a convenient excuse: the United States is to blame for the troubles of Russia, the Kremlin is to blame for the troubles of Ukraine, and the United States, the Russian Federation, and the EU may be to blame for the troubles of Belarus, depending on who gave or did not give money for the "Belarusian miracle". But the "kings" of all of us are always white and fluffy, they are poor things just do not know how ordinary people live.
    I myself do not like the west for their bombing. But blaming them all their problems is also stupid.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2016 08: 18
      +1
      Quote: 0255
      Obama personally spoils our roads, raises prices and taxes, destroys enterprises, cuts the budget?
      Obama personally pissed a third of the Russian porches, two other thirds pissed Kerry and Biden. wassat
  27. Al1977
    Al1977 20 October 2016 13: 58
    +4
    Quote: Guron
    Our hatred of the West is based on their hatred of us.

    How many times was there, saw exactly the opposite. Hate other countries only then. When in his full booty.
    And the average man in the street hates and loves exactly what the box shows him. Someone doubts that if America is praised on TV, tomorrow 85% will be US fans?))) You can artificially incite hatred towards ANYONE))) The box drives.))) My uncles in the Kremlin understood this very clearly))) Everything " haters ", let them go to the dough, buy Mercedes and send the children to study in London))
    1. bk316
      bk316 20 October 2016 17: 48
      +2
      How many times have I been there - I saw exactly the opposite

      Probably few were, or do not know languages laughing
      But seriously, no say that you can't hate - they hate equals. But that is not treated as people, but as animals - that's for sure. This is at the heart of Western civilization, remember the debate "do natives have a soul"?
  28. dep071
    dep071 20 October 2016 14: 14
    +1
    Quote: insular
    So, a Jewish comrade, we are rubbing the famous Goebels song about which Europeans are not our enemies ... But our own power uses us and in general we ourselves are to blame
    It’s not the propoganda itself that is funny, but the fact that it comes from a Jew


    Well, I haven't read more nonsense for a long time. Thanks for the enlightenment. Uncover the secret of the wise men of Zion. "Take a twig and drive a Jew to Palestine" - your ancestors wrote that they loved the king's father so much that they massacred his entire family and, with drunken sailors, made a coup. Newton, Einstein ... to continue? Maybe we still remember Adolf Aloisovich Schecklgruber ??????
  29. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 October 2016 14: 22
    +4
    Hating the West is good. After all, this is the West transferring money from the Russian budget to America for the purchase of treasuries. This is West gonin to America, space engines and titanium. It is the West, and not the Russian government, that reduced the cost of medicine in 2017 by a factor of three. It was the West that honored the memory of Mannerheim, and this board was removed because of the struggle by no means the inhabitants. This West Americanizes the Russian language ...
  30. trantor
    trantor 20 October 2016 14: 28
    0
    Therefore, I hate the West! He has messed everything up with feces and wants to turn us into a cesspool. And we only think to live in our own way and we don’t need anything else. Here is the answer to the "mysterious" Russian soul. Believe us idiots and stupid, but leave us alone with your love and progress.

    Literally removed from the tongue.
  31. lis-ik
    lis-ik 20 October 2016 14: 43
    +4
    We must go, as they say now, “in business” in order to accumulate significant funds. But this is not for me. I’m used to working honestly, and not tear off my last shirt from my neighbor in order to buy a fifth car or a new-fashioned yacht
    And what business did not suit you! For any small and medium business it is hard work, harder in terms of nerves and psycho-physical costs than the same production for the benefit of the "state"! Believe me, those who honestly try to work and pay all fees and taxes plows 24 hours a day in order to live more or less with dignity. We do not take into account those who have attached themselves to the sovereign's property. So, be careful with the definitions, otherwise Russia will lose 80% of jobs, which the statesman Sobyanin has already achieved in Moscow.
  32. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 20 October 2016 15: 06
    +8
    The article is stupid. The author, as always, blames the West for all problems.
    Western countries have a high standard of living and an excellent economy. Singapore, Japan, the Republic of Korea and other countries have built their economies following the example of Western countries. And Russia continues to seek its own "special path", but despite this, the country has monstrous corruption, a poor population, and a weak economy.
    Quote: from article
    The West, like a parody of Midas, turns everything that it touches into shit, but not gold.

    And like Japan and the Republic of Korea. Or is there shit too?
    Quote: from article
    Therefore, I hate the West! He smeared everything with feces at his place and wants to turn us into a cesspool. And we just think to live our own way and we don’t need anything else. Here the clue of the "mysterious" Russian soul opens.

    "To live your own way" is to continue to break through the next "bottom" in the economy, to maintain corruption and poverty?
    Quote: from article
    Somehow, we will live without the well-beings of foreigners, launching rockets into space with the sound of bells and the singing of priests ...

    The author may forget about the rockets, because in connection with the reduction in the budget of the Russian Federation, funding for Roscosmos was seriously cut, and because of this, the flight to the moon (not to mention Mars) is already delayed. The only thing that remains is the singing of the priests.
    In general, in Russia, as always, someone is blamed for all troubles, despite the fact that they themselves are to blame for everything. Or who ruined the USSR? Or who did not build the economy when there was an opportunity?
  33. Al1977
    Al1977 20 October 2016 17: 16
    +6
    Quote: Kukaner
    The resource, instead of engaging in the propaganda of healthy, true patriotism, either slips into a gathering around idiots (will I be banned again?), Or deliberately flushes thinking people somewhere in another steppe, spreading such rubbish, even if in the "Opinions" section.

    Recently, it is believed that patriotism is not enough to think and agree in everything with the Kremlin. And of course, to bend the line that we are saints, and around there is one evil that we shoot with white light, and the rest are sleeping and see how to subdue us.
    I agree, for thinking people this is already tired. Well, a year, well, one and a half, but how much can this ABL patriotic, not having anything to do with reality heresy to write, is not clear. Analysts zero, slogans as from cheap agitation of the Soviet era.
  34. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 20 October 2016 17: 39
    +2
    Quote: Oles
    The meaning is - sit quietly in the kitchen, hate the West, but do not act against the authorities, otherwise it will be like the Ukrainians or Gaddafi.

    What's the point, Oles. I am addressing this because I hope that he is a person and not a regular provocateur. If you are a full-time employee, then you already know that you are talking nonsense, and if a person, then I will convey my point of view. The demolition of the system did not lead to anything good. Because after that chaos, and in chaos, as in the jungle, a fanged gopot takes up, not intellectuals - stupid lovers of utopias, namely gopota, why - therefore you can answer, but I will explain my vision of the situation. Because the power is money, big money and cash flows, and the gopota from the children's colony is imprisoned on the weaning of these same pieces of paper from the "suckers". And you, Oles, are calling to clear the field for the gopota - to demolish the system. You can wind up for a long time. I want an extreme thought, which I understood to convey. Where is the money Zin, something your passionaries in the country of proto-ukrov stuck their tongues in the well .. Everyone hawked war and wage cuts, and Odessa, and fascists on the streets, and a drop in the exchange rate, and a drunken prezik, and corruption, For which the legitimate president was dumped ... For lace panties, for visa-free travel, for the EU. Where is a coward, where is visa-free, where is the EU? P .. go to your funny country. Passionaries stuck their tongues in the train station .. and sit. Why, why. Where is Zin's money? Who will pay for the next Maidan, who will give a lift to the grub, a gasoline for buses that drive people from the west, and again they will trample for a reason, etc., etc. Whom are you treating here Oles?
  35. weksha50
    weksha50 20 October 2016 17: 42
    +1
    "I am a philistine. And I understand this. Most of all I value this freedom - to live, albeit in a foolish way, but in my own way, and not on the orders of a distant foreign benefactor"...

    I, too, am a simple Russian layman ... And I fully support the author’s article, I agree with his every word ... hi
  36. Al1977
    Al1977 20 October 2016 17: 45
    +6
    About love, not love. It seems to me alone that on the side of "patriots" in all political talk shows some tram boors act, interrupt, swear, shout, cite absurd facts and blame everyone around for everything. In such shows, if you look from the outside ... well, you can’t say, "yes, these representatives of a real superpower, I am glad that I am part of this country." From the outside it looks like a madhouse. This is normal? Is this "our way"? This is the path where the Milonovs, Mizulins, Onischenkos pass to the Duma. Where Mutko is on the rise ... And the country with the richest natural and human resources lives on 200-500 dollars a month. Is this an example to the whole world? Everyone dreamed of such a future ... I don't know ... I would not say that the West is worse than Russia ... it is too far-fetched.
  37. victorrat
    victorrat 20 October 2016 22: 13
    +2
    Europe does not have a great history. And the United States even more so. There are scary stories of the Middle Ages and Renaissance fantasies.
    There are murders, robbery and violence. There is a lot of lies from envy to a powerful neighbor. There is a desire to ruin Russia and make it forget its history, exalting its petty deeds.
    And we remember their endless wars, the destruction of people and the culture of other nations. World wars unleashed by the West. And we know that they will stop at nothing.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2016 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: victorrat
      There are scary stories of the Middle Ages and Renaissance fantasies.
      There are murders, robbery and violence.
      Yes, and there is a high standard of living, a good social network, career opportunities, an excellent level of infrastructure and good roads. But we will omit all this, and better recall the horrors of the Middle Ages and how the West hates the Raseyushka. And all why, because if you live in the present and compare Russia with the same Europe, then there is nothing special to be proud of (well, except that we don’t hold gay parades).
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 22 October 2016 10: 23
        0
        Quote: Greenwood
        well, there’s also a high standard of living, a good social network,

        https://topwar.ru/102409-konec-socializma-i-konec
        -heating.html
        Quote: Greenwood
        because if you live in the present and compare Russia with the same Europe, then there is nothing special to be proud of

        Where did the global crisis begin?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 31
          +1
          And what, and where did the currency double in half a year?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 22 October 2016 11: 58
            0
            But for some reason, the return of the 90s so coveted there did not happen here. And the collapse of our currency flies to them in such a pretty penny that there is still a question who got worse from this. Or do you seriously imagine that all these price spikes in the world market are really on their own?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 22 October 2016 12: 54
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              so coveted there
              What makes you think that they want to return to Russia in the 90s. And which aspect of the 90s do you mean in this case?
              Quote: Dart2027
              we didn’t come
              But the standard of living has already fallen.
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              Or do you seriously imagine that all these price spikes in the world market are really on their own?
              All these price spikes are reflected in domestic prices, and always in the direction of increasing these same prices, unlike for example the United States. Paradox. Oil prices fluctuate, while gas prices in Russia are only rising.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 22 October 2016 14: 25
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                Quote: Greenwood
                What makes you think that they want to return to Russia in the 90s.

                Did you go to school? If so, then try to recall when these various states did not fight, did not prepare for war, or did not withdraw after the war.
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                And which aspect of the 90s do you mean in this case?

                The collapse in the country.
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                But the standard of living has already fallen.

                That's just much lower than the "partners" would like.
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                unlike for example the USA

                Which every year they print a lot of unsecured money. In Germany, gasoline is not getting cheaper.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 22 October 2016 15: 57
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                  Quote: Dart2027
                  when these various states did not fight, did not prepare for war, or did not withdraw after the war.
                  Well, if you start only from this position, then the attitude towards Russia is just a reaction to its growing army. But it normal. The United States follows the buildup of military power by China, India, Iran, Brazil and other more or less serious militarily states in the same way.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  The collapse in the country.

                  And where did you get the idea that the United States benefits from complete collapse and chaos in Russia, a country with nuclear weapons. It may be easier to change the political elite of the country to a more loyal one, capable of making concessions on any issues.
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                  than it would like "partners
                  Do you have a standard of living scale, according to which "partners" determine the standard of living they want in a particular country ?! We have it and so low by the standards of the West, the average salary is at the level of 400-500 dollars, it's ridiculous.
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                  Which every year they print a lot of unsecured money.
                  Well, the bottom line is, you are buying this money. And most of the operations in the world are made with this money. The dollar is the most stable currency at the moment, no matter how strange it sounds.
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                  In Germany, gasoline is not getting cheaper.
                  Since 2012, from ~ 1,6 euros fell to ~ 1,4 euros (per liter 98th). And yes, salaries in Germany are not $ 400 per month.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 22 October 2016 18: 03
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                    Quote: Greenwood
                    Well, if you start only from this position, then the attitude towards Russia is just a reaction to its growing army. But it normal.
                    Well, if you start only from this position, then the attitude towards the West is just a reaction to his desire to destroy Russia. But it normal.
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                    It may be easier to change the political elite of the country to a more loyal one, capable of making concessions on any issues.
                    For example, the destruction of nuclear weapons and the collapse of the country. When Basayev invaded Dagestan, it was planned.
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                    You have a standard of living scale, according to which "partners" determine the desired standard of living for them
                    At least Russia in the 90s, as a maximum, Libya now.
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                    The dollar is the most stable currency at the moment

                    And so that it remains, a new world war is needed, where the US will sit overseas.
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                    And yes, salaries in Germany are not $ 400 per month.

                    And at the same time, the number of people with low incomes is growing.
      2. victorrat
        victorrat 26 November 2016 14: 07
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        Does anyone have a high standard of living? Have you watched statistics in the USA for a long time? 40% below the poverty line. 30% of illiterates. 40% of overweight people due to gluttony cheap fast food. But due to what was the USA enriched? Only due to wars. As soon as they are not, decrease. And now there are no wars, but they have learned to live giving candy wrappers to nothing unsecured. The debt is such that economically destroying the United States does not seem to be very difficult, but it will pull all markets along with it. On this and hold.
  38. murriou
    murriou 21 October 2016 00: 26
    +1
    launching, to the sound of bells and the singing of priests, rockets into space ...

    For some reason, in the USSR it turned out much better with launches into space, without bells and priests laughing
    And as the priests crushed everything for themselves, they often immediately began to crash rockets against the firmament.
  39. murriou
    murriou 21 October 2016 00: 47
    +2
    Quote: Alex_1973
    Is it really so difficult to love your tongue so as not to distort it like that?

    For some reason, among the current so-called. "Russian patriots" a normal knowledge of the Russian literary language, especially a normal knowledge of Russian history and culture - a great, great rarity lol

    And the ability to reason logically and coherently is something transcendental, alien, frightening for them. One-bit thinking is not designed for this.

    But the uncritical borrowing of foreign language stamps, on the contrary, is a frequent occurrence among them. Moreover, the more the creature scolds at the "damned West", the more the monkey's assimilation of Western antics is shown.
    lol

    I would explain it this way: normal language proficiency is associated with general literacy, literacy is related to rationality, and a rational person has a tendency to make sure of everything personally, it’s not stupid to take everything that is ordered to be believed.

    In addition, educated people keep the culture of their people, and really know it - and do not fill the void in the head with what is pouring from TV screens.

    But the so-called. "Russian patriots" of the now popular model cannot stand "too smart" - as is typical of all stupid gopniks.

    Gopniks can only repeat unpretentious slogans that can fit in their one and a half convolutions, and the main direction of these slogans is fanaticism and stupidity, groundless praise of oneself, loved ones - and hatred of everyone who is not like them.

    And on what basis is the division being made - favorite football team, "district" of residence, nationality, declared religion - what is the difference, right?
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 21 October 2016 01: 42
      +1
      Quote: murriou
      so-called "Russian patriots" a normal knowledge of the Russian literary language, especially a normal knowledge of Russian history and culture - a great, great rarity


      Your big, big mistake is to consider yourself knowing the literary Russian language.
      1. murriou
        murriou 21 October 2016 02: 03
        +1
        Can you justify? lol What are your complaints about my knowledge of the Russian literary language?
        More specifically, desirable, and at the same time, it is equally desirable that your writings perfectly match your requirements laughing .
  40. AKS-U
    AKS-U 21 October 2016 05: 19
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    Confused and concrete.
  41. murriou
    murriou 21 October 2016 08: 46
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    Quote: Parsec
    Your big, big mistake is to consider yourself knowing the literary Russian language.

    Quote: murriou
    Can you justify? What are your complaints about my knowledge of the Russian literary language?

    * glancing at the clock * new questions to a respected interlocutor on the subject of knowledge of the Russian language appeared.

    As it is called in Russian, literary and not very, * a person prone to unfounded statements * ?
    What is the name of * person prone to baseless accusations *?
    What is the name of * a person who is unprepared and unable to substantiate very loud own statements *?

    However, the questions are rather rhetorical ... lol
  42. Curious
    Curious 21 October 2016 09: 06
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    Thank you Ivan! Written by my words and voiced my thoughts. I love Russia. But I see that as soon as a Russian begins to live well, he immediately begins to look towards the west. We need difficulties. I don’t want war, but sometimes thoughts come: -Hell, how this West and America got it, it would explode to hell's grandmother.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 21 October 2016 09: 40
      +4
      Quote: Interested
      Damn it, how this West and America got it, it would explode to hell's grandmother.

      Straight is the cry of the soul in man. You can specifically find out why America got you so much.
      I am furious with a neighbor who drills at 9 in the evening. Enrages the boss, sometimes giving ridiculous tasks. Enrages our government, which thinks only of power and its money ... But a man infuriates .... America. ))) There are two options, either the noisy Americans live above it, or a man has a zomboyaschik with Kiselev instead of his head ... I want to believe in the first, but I am almost sure of the second.
      By the way, I propose to hate the Seychelles and Dominican Islands as well. How did they get it, live on the sea, the sun constantly .. I just hate reptiles.
    2. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 21 October 2016 14: 08
      +1
      Quote: Interested
      But I see that as soon as a Russian begins to live well, he immediately begins to look towards the west.

      And does this mean that a Russian person has to live badly all the time?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 22 October 2016 08: 34
        +3
        Of course. Do not you understand? But our government has long understood everything, therefore, through its wise actions, it does not increase the standard of living in the country. It takes care of us poor people.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 October 2016 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Interested
      as soon as a Russian person begins to live well, he immediately begins to look towards the west.
      "A fish is looking where it is deeper, and a man where it is better." For the past 25 years, there has been no stability in Russia, there is no confidence in the future, so start from here.
      Quote: Interested
      Gosh, how this West and America got it
      What personally got you and the West and America? They don’t give to sleep, they delay their salaries or maybe they took their wife away?
  43. alex86
    alex86 21 October 2016 21: 47
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    KaPToC,
    KaPToC,
    Well, yes, and we are so alternative minded that we adopted the imposed scheme.